Exclusive Amiga Games - Part 3

A fun episode this one. Couple of stinkers and the rest are really fun. Some more, some less, all fun nonetheless. :)
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Gameplay recordings that you've seen in this video as a background to my commentary came from amazing retro gaming related channels that do a great job preserving the classics for the future. They all deserve your subscription, and they all have mine. These are:
0:00 Intro
0:08 Death Mask (‪@insertdisk‬)
2:48 Forest Dumb (‪@hipoonios‬)
5:02 Foundation: Gold (‪@czornyjac‬)
7:47 HeroQuest II: Legacy of Sorasil (‪@dcoates14‬)
10:35 Legion (‪@AlexMenchi‬)
12:52 Liberation: Captive II (‪@klasycznegry4650‬)
15:10 Lionheart
17:07 Premiere (‪@AL82RetrogamingLongplays‬)
19:12 Lost in Mine
21:16 Perihelion: The Prophecy (‪@znowugram1975‬)
23:23 Outro
#amiga #exclusive #retrogames #retrogaming

[@AmigaVR]

We had fun with Death Mask back in the day on the A500🤘🏻🙂

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yep, and that despite it being rather disappointing ;)

[@SWW_Productions]

Great video. Lots of games on there that I like. I still play Hero Quest 2 and Lionheart. Also I used to play Captive 2 back in the day. I still have the discs. I loved it, the level of freedom!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I recently learned that some of my disks fell victim to strands of time. And they just don't work. They're not physically damaged or anything, only not working. On the other hand, it may be the disk drive starting to fail and sometimes refusing to read them correctly. I'd have to investigate. But time... Or lack thereof. xD

[@AntipaladinPedigri]

0:44 *in Mamas and Papa's voice* "All the things are brown (all the things are brown!), and the walls are gray 🎵

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Ha ha ha :)

[@nichttuntun3364]

Wow! I had an Amiga 500 back in the days and left it far too early - as I see now. What wonderful games exists for the "girlfriend", I never heard of. Wonderful, really. Thank you so much for revealing those pearls and diamonds. 😍

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thanks for watching! I did the same thing... I abandoned mine for PC without thinking, and then for years had none and felt like I made a huge mistake. xD

[@gianlucamariottini]

I hate you....these are all excellent games IMO that I never somehow played ... now I want to play....each of them! Keep up the good work!😂

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

If you've no access to real hardware, emulate them. It's so easy now, you wouldn't believe. :)

[@Fastwinstondoom]

The Heroquest games on amiga were, to my 8 year old eyes, the coolest thing I had ever seen. Definitely had a hand in making me the fantasy nerd I am today xD

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

And unlike in the 80s, fantasy nerd is actually something to be now. :)

[@Tony_Cardoza]

I remember seeing the commercials for the board game in the early 90s. I didn't know there were 2 heros quest computer games until I saw Mredders videos on them. Highly recommend his videos if yall haven't seen them.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@Tony_Cardoza I'll check him out, thanks!

[@ksauerrr]

In Poland Amiga and it's games lived a bit longer then in the West. We got around to have better PCs a bit later. After that it was downhills for Amiga even though there were still good games being made for that system (yet mostly for the more powerfull versions like Amiga 4000 or better, which no one had)

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

True, but making a game for A4000 was like making a game for 17 people. I'm exaggerating obviously, but compared to other models, those very strong systems were rather rare. xD

[@ksauerrr]

Legion - my brother loved this game so I love it too - even though I rarely played it back then and sucked at it.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

:)

[@williamwright9079]

I always wanted to play foundation gold! Looks great!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Arguably, it looks better when running on a weaker configuration, as then it's a bit lower resolution and more pixel-y, for the lack of a better word. At least I think so.

[@nicholsliwilson]

Oh wow! Death Mask was ambitious for the Amiga? It looks like your character’s crouching everywhere, or very, very short? 😄 Forest Dump definitely does look like a Super Frog reskin? Did they in fact nick code from it? Foundation: Gold isn’t my thing & I wasn’t going to comment on it but it genuinely caught me off guard with being released in 2000? Heroquest II is exclusive? I’m surprised but then again it was a bit dated for ‘94. Can’t you just blame Batman for the references? Liberation: Captive II is new to me but looks fun? It looks like a cross between a dungeon crawler & System Shock, kind of? Lionheart! Finally one I know & it’s a gem. Bring your Amiga over for a gaming afternoon! 😄 I think learned about Premier from you & what a gem! It’s such a good looking game but also a fun one. Yeh it’s not the greatest in terms of gameplay but far it’s from bad, it’s decent enough & the eye candy makes up for any shortfalls. Lost in Mine looks like something I need to play. I’m not sure why we didn’t get at least the more interesting Polish games or why Polish dev’s didn’t bother with external markets, necessary or not? Just selfish I guess? 😄 (obviously joking.) Perihelion: The Prophecy really should be better known. It’s a game that deserves to be remembered for it’s look & feel, as subjective as a game’s “feel” is. Cracker of a video, thanks. I genuinely thought Heroquest II Came out on PC but I stand corrected… or sit corrected, I’m disabled & avoid standing when I can. 😄 I snagged Monstrum, thank you. I got here literally 4 minutes after the public upload to KZbin. I really need to get around to repairing my gaming PC so I can give it a bash.

[@jothain]

Forest Dump seems to have awful hitboxes. Even in video it's seen that character jumps though terrain.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Death Mask was seriously crappy if you attempted to play it alone. Pretty cool with a friend if you managed to somehow split the screen in a way that neither would see other's half. I don't think that any code was stolen from Superfrog, as Forest Dumb is incomparably worse playing/feeling game. They definitely copied some level design ideas but no code was moved. It's clear by the moment you touch the joystick. I love Settlers, first and second in its gold edition especially, as I played both on a split screen with a friend. And it's more fun this way. But Foundation while really trying to be the next Settlers, is just not as good. In my eyes at least. First HQ wasn't an exclusive. But second was. Go figure. Also, a better game, not only in terms of presentation but also scope and the fact that it gave you a "campaign" to play through, and not a series of separate small missions. If you ever played the first Captive, Liberation is a natural extension of that story and you summarised it well. It can be considered a mix between a dungeon crawler and system shock with a touch of something else, as everything is interactive in this game. Quite literally. Also, its intro is excellent and really worth seeing at least once. Both Lionheart and Premiere are good platformers, both for different reasons. I think that by the time Lost in Mine released, it was not "worth it" to publish games outside of Poland for Polish developers anymore. And also the piracy factor was quite prominent in that too. By then most games were cracked within a day or two from when they released. I think I've got 4 or 5 more of these "bigger" game codes, so the next few videos all should have those in them. As always, thanks for watching! :)

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

There's a follow-up to it. Forest Dumb Forever. It's not much better though. xD

[@jothain]

From that name Lost in Mine I recalled classic Lost Dutchman mine which was quite fun game, though can't recall if it was exclusive for Amiga.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Really cool game, I have it covered in my channel, in one or two videos for different platforms and also as a separate (albeit very old and rough) review. And no, it also came out on DOS and Atari ST. It's still great though! :)

[@J_Stamps86]

I think I just mentioned Premiere in the comments a few videos ago, haha. I absolutely loved that game and the soundtrack. I have the same feeling regarding Lionheart too, which I thought looked incredible for the time, even if the controls felt like you were pushing a He-Man action figure through setting concrete at times. As much as I liked Hero Quest the actual board game I never played it on Amiga, I did play Space Crusade though.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yep, you got it right. You're the one who's responsible for Premiere being in this video. :) People like to assume that YTubers don't listen to their viewers at all, but I do. And Premiere was an excellent pick! :)

[@J_Stamps86]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames hugely appreciated :)

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@J_Stamps86 Don't mention it. I actually enjoy talking to my viewers. :)

[@curtisholland16]

I have been enjoying your videos for a while now and I have just realized that I have been misunderstanding "buddies" and "baddies" the whole time lol😂 Great job as always!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

You know how it goes... I'm not a native speaker and have a slight adhd so sometimes when I speak faster than I think odd things come out ;)

[@curtisholland16]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames it doesn't help that I'm half deaf and ADHD too hahaha the older I get the worst it gets

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@curtisholland16 I could say that I'd try to speak clearer, but you know, why would I lie, I will probably get carried away at some point sooner rather than later, I can't control it. What I can say, is that I will try to try to speak clearer. Maybe slower too. :)

[@curtisholland16]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames haha you do an awesome job brother no need to try to change anything in my opinion!

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@curtisholland16 Thanks! Appreciated. :)

[@EvilStreaks]

"Forest Dumb" ?? Weird title. Another interesting episode

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Thanks! Title may be interesting but the game is so lacking...

[@kyleolson8977]

Death Mask - If the Wizardry perspective worked on an FPS, there would have been real FPS games in the 1980s. 90 hall movement is for strategy and make action on a single screen, but not for movement based action. If an ML was able to handle the task "Make a generic Amiga platform game", it might be Forest Dumb. Especially the name. Foundation Gold: I'm unsure why someone decided to put this in a sleeve and release it in stores in 2000. HeroQuest (The Board Game) had a longer life in the UK than the US, probably because of the connection with Games Workshop. I assume that's why there's an Amiga exclusive HeroQuest II. And if my memory is correct from some previous entry, I think the HQ 1 and 2 games are likely unrelated code-wise. Liberation: Captive II. There's nothing wrong with trying Dungeon Master in a Sci-Fi game. It's very ambitious looking for an Amiga game. Lionheart - The standard style Amiga sword swinging platformer. It's hard to get away from the He-man factor. Lost in Mine - it's a Lode Runner looking tiny guy platformer again, but this one has scrolling interestingly enough. Perehelion is too drab, and it's got the generic wannabe Giger thing.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Believe it or not though, Death Mask can actually be fun when you get to play it against someone and split the screen somehow, so that you don't see each others. It doesn't have a staying power though and sucks in single player no matter how you look at it. But in multi, it can be fun for a little while. Unless you have better games, then clearly there's no reason to run it. Yep, HQ and HQ2 are entirely different games. Liberation is really good. I mean, like sequel-worthy good. And honestly, the freedom it offered, was not what I would expect on the Amiga in the middle of the 90s. Also, incredible intro. I don't know if you saw it, but it was very cinematic. If you manage to fight through the controls of Lionheart, there's quite fun game underneath. I don't know if you ever had a chance to play Lost in Mine, but it's genuinely excellent. And I always tell people just to give it an hour of their time, and if they don't like by then, then it's fair play to just leave it be forever. Most do however. Like it that is.

[@kyleolson8977]

​@@OldAndNewVideoGames I get that Death Mask can be fun, and it's really a pretty good looking version of what it is. I can tell there are many people who liked it. I've got this cynical view of games on ANY systems, be it an Amiga or a SNES or GBA, where they're trying to be something the tech can't do rather than being something native to the hardware. It's why the Game Boy Color Daikatana is a GOOD game. Whether or not the original had been good, the GBC game decides to copy the theme without trying to cram the gameplay in. Lionheart must be somewhat fun, I don't know that I ever played it. It's more notable for how ubiquitous it was. In my mind it's in the Shadow of the Beast "serious" side of Amiga platformers, instead of the family fun side like James Pond or Zool or Superfrog. I'm pretty sure I would enjoy Lost in Mine. (I'm going to try to get it running). I played a LOT of Lode Runner in the day.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@kyleolson8977 Shadow of the Beast games are an odd bunch. Each next looks a bit worse than the previous but also plays a bit better too. So while first looks great, it's terrible. And the last looks OK, but is actually pretty fun. Second is somewhere in the middle. I think you might like Lost in Mine. Other then the little clunky controls, it's a marvel of a little puzzler. I don't know if have an Amiga but it's super easy to run it through emulation. :)

[@gumdeo]

Forest Dumb - I never played it, and now that I've seen it, never will play it ☺

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

That's a pretty darn good decision :)

[@Toon_Pirate]

Oh no! Not Premiere! I played that game a ton and only made it to the second level two times! The levels are waaaay too long! I wanted to show off the first boss to a friend and he got bored and left before I could reach him. This game scarred me

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

It's not a very good friend then, if he couldn't wait a little longer. xD

[@AntipaladinPedigri]

2:35 judging by how he moves his legs in place I think he wants to pee

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

LOL :)

[@jothain]

Only games I've even heard of are Hero Quest and Captive 2. I find it odd that stuff like Lionheart are stuff I've never even heard off

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Amiga was full of surprises :)

[@z.s.7992]

Im actually a huge fan of team 17 games....

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Oh, I'm not surprised. In majority of cases they were amazing!

[@z.s.7992]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames they still are too.

[@eLCeBe23]

Słyszę, że kolega grał w Gloomhaven i Descenta. U mnie pierwszy tytuł nadal leży na półce wstydu i czeka na swoją kolej. Od Descenta się odbilem (mamy drugą edycję, może trzeba spróbować trzecjej)

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Oba są fajne, ale Descent ze względu na 3d mapkę wygrywa i gramy dużo częściej. Kampania idzie do przodu. Być może nie w zatrważającym tempie ale całkiem szybko. W Gloomhaven mamy chyba, ze cztery "savey" w różnych konfiguracjach znajomych, więc łatiwej nam kontynuować w Descent gdzie mamy stałą trójkę tych samych graczy. Polecam obie gry ale Descent jest "lepszy".

[@eLCeBe23]

@@OldAndNewVideoGames a no widzisz, ale mapka 3D to już właśnie trzecia edycja. Druga już trochę zbyt chyba oldschoolowa :P

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@eLCeBe23 Bardzo możliwe. To gra kolegi, on jest kolekcjonerem planszówek i gier fabularnych, ma ich ze sto. I co tydzień praktycznie na weekend jakąś jedną/dwie ma nowe i zawsze też coś nowego testujemy.

[@ghah5701]

Love me Meeger. Love me Speccy. Simple as.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Not much experience with Speccy but I love Amiga to bits! :)

[@hubertmitura2587]

Legion był świetny, powinien być rimejk😁

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Biorąc pod uwagę ostatnich parę lat, nie jest to niewykluczone :)

[@assassindelasaucisse.4039]

Periphelion looks soooo Psygnosis...

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

It's a surprisingly good one!

[@AdrianuX1985]

21:20.. Were you born in 1980?

[@assassindelasaucisse.4039]

Aren't we all ;p

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Close 1981. :)

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

We sorta were. Or close to.

[@eLCeBe23]

Rocznik 86 pozdrawia! 😊

[@AdrianuX1985]

Niech autor kanału wrzuci statystyki wieku na karcie społeczności. :) Pozdro, rocznik 85.

[@shan2752]

Death Mask is superior to Doom. I don’t care what anyone else says.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Bold statement :)

[@Tony_Cardoza]

I love that half the screen is a GIANT DM. They're daring you to compare it to Doom.

[@RetroMMA]

Theses games look off with out scanlines that they had in the day; most retro channels never include them, and I hate it. No offence to your capture card...

[@RetroMMA]

Also, among the many purchased games is Lionheart, that I bought and still have, day 1. The manual implores you to buy not pirate but by then, everything Amiga was pirate.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I think that scanlines may have been dependant on the screen that you used. My TV back then showed none, but a buddy's of mine was all scanlines, and as a result same games looked entirely different for both of us.

[@RetroMMA]

@@OldAndNewVideoGamesSure, but until flat panel TVs (plasma/lcd) all retro games were both played AND designed for CRT (Cathode Ray Tube, not Critical Race Theory) displays - hence, scanlines. My nostalgia on any CRT game sans scanlines looks to me as a shoddy port. : )

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

@@RetroMMA You are correct. Many designers straight up designed the games to use the screen technology to mix the colours they chose so that they would appear as if there's more of them than there really were.

[@ksauerrr]

Forest Dumb is just a pathetic Supefrog ripoff. A waist of time.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

Yeah, if you look carefully there are assets there from other games too...