2013-2017 Lexus LS 460.. What You Didn’t Know

Here are some interesting facts about the Lexus LS 460 that you probably did not know about for the 2013-2017 generation. This is the last V8 powered LS and if you are an owner, please share your thoughts with us. See my Lexus LS 600hL video here: • 2013-2016 Lexus LS 600...
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Video Chapters:
00:00 - Intro to the LS 460
00:40 - LS 460 Specs
03:53 - Interesting Facts about the LS 460
13:52 - Model Year Changes
#lexus #ls460 #lexusls

[@MeynMotorGroup]

See my Lexus LS 600hL Video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXXJppeYgc-WpM0

[@stevedominguez2682]

Can you do the second generation VW Touareg. They are not common vehicles on the road these days, and they share platform with the cayenne

[@MeynMotorGroup]

@Steve Dominguez I’ll see if there is info direct from the manufacturer available. I only make these vids if I can get info direct from the manufacturers.

[@Michael-ty2uo]

I know this ain't really about the vid, but which one of the Lexus LS460s from 2007 to 2010 is the best to purchase nowadays? I've seen a ton of your vids and you seem to be a expert on those generations since you've had 'em all. I'm thinking of getting one for myself, but I'm kinda worried about the control arm and suspension issues around 150k miles since I know its a common problem for those. Do you know if all of 'em have this issue or if one year is worse than the others?

[@MeynMotorGroup]

I would skip it and just get an ES

[@Michael-ty2uo]

@@MeynMotorGroup that V8 though, I'm trying to find a good sounding and reliable V8 for around 10k - 13k. Have you owned any other reliable luxury cars with v8s that could give the Lexus LS460 a run for its money?

[@robertmaybeth3434]

I needed to replace my 2002 V6 Camry with 205,000 miles. I spent 6 months looking at Lexus ES350, test drove several of them, was waiting for the perfect used Lexus - then I saw the LS 460. I forgot all about the ES and GS I was looking at, spent a month looking for the perfect new-to-me car, and bought an 2017 LS460 for $36,500. It had 69,000 miles and is painted a beautiful Metallic Pearl White. Seems like i had been waiting my whole life for this car, it's the best.

[@DRmuawia]

And it will drive the same and more milege than youre camry without any issues , just be carefull of abs they tend to wear even in this 2013-2017

[@DRmuawia]

I saw youre older comments you were looking for es and rx , you are lucky you got the ls none of those machine look or drive like the ls and its the best option have mine 5 years no issues just the abs

[@douglasdonatien7044]

So I’m a huge fan……I just got my 2017 Lexus ls460 awd last may and boy oh boy!! It’s so comfortable and air ride like I can’t stop driving it lol….I had an 06 ES330 for 10 years and loved that as well ❤…but nothing beats an LS!

[@johnde2754]

If you wouldn't mind disclosing, what was your purchase price and odometer reading on your recently purchased '17 model ?!? Many Thanks Yo ! 💰 🔍

[@douglasdonatien7044]

@@johnde2754 certainly, at the time of purchase which was last may (high price market period) I got the car for $56k and the odometer was at 17,676…..after many long trip throughout east coast driving I now have the odometer at 30,230. Still low miles 😊

[@DRmuawia]

​@douglasdonatien7044 you paid premium for the low mileage that is alot tbh

[@douglasdonatien7044]

@@DRmuawia Yes plus I bought it just after covid so the prices were sky high….and I live in Miami which is high price market central 😝

[@DRmuawia]

@@douglasdonatien7044 but i think its solid deal its the last model of this generation and its low milage so the car will last as long as you plan to own it, i paid 33k$ for my 13 with 75,000 mile that was in 2017 when the car was still new shape and it was the latest model before ls500.

[@healthylife-nine]

I love my 2017 LS460 AWD. Got it 9 months ago, looked very new when I bought it. It just hit 60k miles. I only drive it on the weekends and plan to hold on to it for the rest of my life!

[@OcaOca]

awesome, how much did you pay for it and any tips on finding a good deal?

[@user-hi8um5ns8k]

My 2013 Ls460!just hit 250k miles n still drives beautiful

[@robsvtgt500]

How are the control arm bushings holding up?

[@powersdmc]

One of my favorite car content creators. Love all your reviews, and you’re the reason why I went with my current vehicle. Lexus / Toyota in the garage. Absolutely love it.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

I’m humbled by that my friend thank you!

[@HJP1]

Just purchased a 2016 LS460 base with low mileage. Probably paid a bit of a premium but with Lexus quality reputation I went for it. My third Lexus and I expect this to be every bit as good as my 2001 GS and 2012 GX. As far as ride and comfort totally awesome!

[@DRmuawia]

This will be 100% better than your gs and gx for sure , enjoy !

[@DRmuawia]

Had mine for 5 years now and its one the best machines

[@RC-117]

This is my dream car, I want the 2017 LS460L awd, I’m obsessed with that car, and I love big sedans! I can’t wait until I’m able to purchase this vehicle one day! Thanks for the video Kevin!

[@MeynMotorGroup]

You will def get it my friend!

[@douglasdonatien7044]

Dude get it!! I got mines 2017 ls460 awd last may and I’m obsessed with it ❤

[@DeathhAngel1]

You will enjoy the awd and the extra room the L provides.

[@RC-117]

@@douglasdonatien7044 good to know! That car is just everything to me, love how big they are.

[@RC-117]

@@DeathhAngel1 exactly that little bit of legroom makes all the difference in I don’t know what it is. I’m just obsessed with really big sedans that’s all I’ve ever wanted so I’m glad they have the L model.

[@brian7523]

Great review as always. You are correct, this LS460 is a lot better than the 2007-2011 model. Even the control arms on this model lasts a lot longer, plus this is the last LS with V8. Keep well my friend. From South Africa.

[@ravipeiris4388]

Great overview Kevin. I saw an off-white LS 460 few days ago and it has unspoken styling. Gorgeous vehicle.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

I agree my friend def a striking looking car

[@Markus-dx9oy]

Der 460 war bereits ein Traum. Als 600h L ein Auto vom anderen Stern

[@lowKut]

Excellent video my dude 👊🏼 Fingers 🤞crossed I get back into an LS very soon. I certainly appreciate this channel very much 👍🏼

[@jnethe17]

Great video, as usual. Recently purchased a 2013 ls 460 with 62,000 miles. I have had almost every brand of vehicle, and this car feels better made than all the others. 30+ mpg on the interstate @ 80 mph is not bad either.

[@oClucker]

This car has very quickly become a dream car of mine.

[@MetikalMan]

Thank you so much for making this video! The B roll footage is amazing!

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Glad you liked it my friend

[@jonathanratliff4780]

Great review Kevin as always you’re only getting better over time my friend. As I’ve said before love your style and your candor and you are indeed a trusted source. Question if I may, does the current gen have engine vibration issues at idle like the LX does? If so why is the V6 in the ES so smooth at idle?

[@hyperlicht]

You are my favorite reviewer, Kevin!! Small suggestion - please consider not having the background music. Thanks.

[@joegunter8662]

2013 460 here. Love it. Nice video 👍

[@Roblas69]

Damn man. Great review in year models. I’m in the process of getting one of these and it’s good to know the differences

[@theodoreyoung8777]

Good morning bro happy Friday finally got to watch it and u know I loved it lol as I Love all big body sedans especially Mercedes Benz and Lexus Flagship cars have a great weekend thanx bro 😎🤝🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽👍🏾👍🏾

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Hey bro Good morning thanks for checking out the content! For sure big body cars are pretty sweet 👍

[@theodoreyoung8777]

@@MeynMotorGroup No problem bro and yes they are 😎🤝👍🏾👍🏾

[@Hondaman0924]

I bought a 2013 ls460 with the rear reclining seats (tan interior /champagne exterior) love it. Sadly Kevin did not mention the valley plate leak issue. This is a 2000$ repair from lexus which I cam currently having done under warranty. None the less it's the nicest car I've ever owned in my life and don't plan on getting rid of it. Happy to see this video to learn more about my car 🙂 The craftsmanship jn the steering wheel is wild! Again thank you sir

[@gmoneyebk1119]

Could you elaborate on this issue a little more for me? I have a 2013 as well just hit 93k miles

[@Hondaman0924]

@gmoneyebk1119 yes, it's a leak under the intake manifold that alot of toyota engines develop. I was nervous about doing it myself

[@Hondaman0924]

@@gmoneyebk1119 toyota v8 engines**

[@georgiosvavliaras1066]

Can't get enough of this type of content from you mate, keep it up!

[@dougjones2160]

Great information. Thanks!

[@MeynMotorGroup]

And thank you for stopping by my friend!

[@JerryJrsGarage]

Great video love the details!

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Glad you liked it!

[@silk7519]

Yesir that buttery smooth LS460. Excellent content.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Thanks!

[@alengreen589]

I like it, thanks Kevin 😀

[@nellynel305]

Wow amazing video. They really know how to make a great car.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Thanks for stopping by my friend!

[@jeffbaker9847]

I may upgrade to one of these 4th gen cars if I ever wear out my 07 LS460L, which I love dearly and consider the best car I've ever had. I am in no hurry, but if the 2013-2017 cars are actually THIS MUCH BETTER, it is something I look forward to.

[@craigspringer4988]

Any expensive issues with yours.. looking to buy a 2013 soon.. 89,000 on the clock

[@craigspringer4988]

Any expensive issues with yours.. looking to buy a 2013 soon.. 89,000 on the clock

[@jeffbaker9847]

@@craigspringer4988 The control arms, which I had the seller replace before I bought it, and the 4 air struts, which I replaced with the Strutmaster kit are likely to go bad. Heavy cars are rough on suspension. The alternator went out at 145k miles, which cost $400. Big deal. The transmission cooler line started leaking where it ran into the radiator. That cost $1100 for a new radiator and related items. Didn't like how a plastic nipple on the radiator caused the need for a whole new one, but so it goes. No other issues besides the usual wear items. I bought mine with 97k miles and it now has 155k. But I don't have a 2013 yet, and if my 2007 keeps running fine, I won't replace it ... ever. It's the best car I've ever owned.

[@TalooshDaBoss]

Love these

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Nice!

[@Mainthane]

Seen nothing but good comments about this car. In the market for a new/used car. Ls 460 is gonna be it. I can't wait

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Just be sure to get a warranty

[@timw2083]

Have you seen the Takumi video by Lexus? It gave me even greater appreciation for the craftsmanship that went into the LC500. Lexus and Mazda seem to really believe in the small details. I loved this LS460

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Yes I have they def have some serious attention to detail

[@whattoeatryan]

Thanks to you I snagged a bargain for a 09 Lexus LS460. And now I know what my next car should be

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Massive congrats!

[@midnitesnack3683]

Very impressed by your knowledge of car specially LEXUS can you do a review on the RX400H if possible in the near future will be much appreciate

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Yes I plan to do one!

[@midnitesnack3683]

@@MeynMotorGroup great am actually at work and got my headphone on listen and going through your videos on KZbin keep up the good work mate you the reason I bought a LS430 unfortunately someone drove straight into it.But now am thinking of a RX400H but before I want your output on it first.Am in Scotland

[@user-iv4zo8wn4k]

Love this video! I have a 2013 LS with 148k. Gets a little bouncy when the road dips. Not sure if I need shocks/struts . The dealer as usual says I need everything ( timing chain, bla bla) but NOT shocks?

[@bwill357]

I love my 460 f sport, it has amazing driving dynamics for a big a luxo sedan it feels a lot smaller than it actually is in the driver seat, unfortunately my car didn’t come with adaptive cruise or heated steering wheel 😢 but as a driver it’s amazing and still looks like new, it’s an excellent highway cruiser and a passing machine, you kind of forget that you’re driving when in comfort mode 😂

[@f2john]

Got a 14 F Sport about 18 months ago after having to give up manual gearboxes due to a knee injury. Love how it rides, the power, the awesome ML audio etc. The air pump for the suspension did go out but I knew getting it that could be an issue. Intend to drive it into the ground.

[@Arman-nl6mg]

@@f2johnhow much did it cost you to replace the air suspension? Also how many miles was the car on when it went out?

[@f2john]

@@Arman-nl6mg $3600 for the pump at a Indy shop

[@deldeek]

I like the previous gen rear look over this one

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Nice!

[@Excalabur50]

Thanks Mr Lexus.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

👍

[@ClassicXL86]

Have a 2017 Ls460 in pearl white with 53K miles . Love it

[@fadeysuleiman6423]

Same here in pearl white is where it’s at 👌🔥

[@pavelserdioukov8676]

Could you tell us if you have suspension issues?

[@ClassicXL86]

@@pavelserdioukov8676 i do hear a squeeking noise in the back everytime i get out of the car . Not sure what it is. I think its the automatic ebreak. Other than that, no other issues.

[@patrickmeaney6743]

Good video-i have a 2008 LS-best car ever-p

[@frankmastromauro5630]

Good video

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Thanks!

[@630Cars]

Good video Kevin. I've been meaning to up my KZbin game- what microphone would you recommend?

[@MeynMotorGroup]

I use the Rode Smartlav+ and I plug that into my iPhone with the lightning adapter and I use the voice memo app for voiceovers like this and edit on my iPad using Lumafusion

[@Beasy63]

How would a stiffer suspension take road imperfections and bumps better than a softer in the f sport?

[@zandercraft1168]

I own a 2009 LS460 AWD. It's gone from 78k to 135k miles in my hands. I have replaced nothing but a left rear wheel bearing and a radiator. It has been the most unimaginably solid and reliable vehicle you could possibly imagine. I will never part ways with it.

[@Unfinished_sentenc]

I always agree with your comments, though I have to admit that I’m not the biggest fan of ultra-sporty Sparco-clone seats in everyday cars. I rent every new car available since I live near an exclusive airport. I love them all in different ways, but when I get back into my basic 2015 Prius I’m like ahhhh, I love these seats! For an everyday car I don’t need crazy bolsters like the 23’ IS350, Porsche Cayenne or any new BMW. I don’t appreciate having to pinch my knees together while cruising HWY 1 or just commuting for extended periods of time. I’m only 5-9 165 lbs but I still feel cramped in any F-Sport seat, my thighs end up sitting atop the the bolsters it’s so ridiculous. An S2000 and I’d appreciate it, but for an everyday driver? No thank you. Let’s bring back a base package with more leisurely and less restrictive seats please.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Thank you for sharing this. Very interesting perspective regarding seat comfort. I’m 5’ 11’ 200 lbs and seat width/bolsters never bothered me with many cars. My lower back/glutes tend to hurt after an hour so soft bottom cushions and lumber is paramount for me. But I will mention these thoughts moving forward regarding seat comfort. Also, please share your thoughts on any and all new cars you get to try on any video I post, I would love to hear them!

[@joegunter8662]

Excellent post about the crazy selective-wood process, but it shows how committed Lexus is to what they used to call “the relentless pursuit of perfection.” Nicely done video. My ‘13 460 is the best car I’ve ever even driven. I bought it almost as an afterthought when I saw how amazing the early-mid 2000s 430 was. I bought that one also. Ditched the ridiculously expensive brand new American truck. And I still had money left over! I’m a patriotic American, but Detroits Big Three have fcked me for the last time. Only the ignorant pay 80k for an American vehicle EVER.

[@617michel]

Almost makes me want to consider upgrading from my LS400.

[@fadeysuleiman6423]

Worth the upgrade go for it 👌 my Ls460 is amazing compared to my previous Ls400

[@tlerew12]

Love my LSs. On the 2014 LS AWD. Wonder...can a chip flash give me the full 386ho? Why not? Anyone done it?

[@gtstaples9720]

My 2016 LS 460 F Sport is amazing. I always kid w/ people telling them that if my wife ever kicks me out I would not have a problem living in my LS.

[@m.b8257]

Lexus is by far my favourite brand, luxury and long term reliability, the best of both worlds , and that LS 460is a beautiful looking car.

[@TobyRay45]

Just to let you know, the 2007-2012 GS460 had an 8spd auto in them. This wasn't the first. But as a side note, I absolutely adore Lexus V8s. I had a 2008 GS460, and I loved it. Stupidly, I sold it. But bright side is there's a 2013 LS460L (not the executive package) that I'm currently looking at buying. The drive train and comfort of these cars is incredible. I highly recommend any one to get one, as long as the previous owner/s have taken good care of them.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

GS 460 came out in 08 LS 460 was introduced in 07. It is well known and documented throughout all press media sites that the LS was the first car in the world to introduce an 8 speed auto that got trickled down to other models including the IS F

[@TobyRay45]

@@MeynMotorGroup The 07 GS had an 8spd as well bro. Maybe you guys didnt get the 8spd in the States with the 07. Japs like to keep all the good shite for them selves when they can. But, 07 to 12 GS460 mate. Theres an 07 GS460 for sale in New Zealand with an 8SPD.

[@moreno3662]

What about the problems the previous model has, such as the break actuator and the control arms? Were they fixed?

[@MeynMotorGroup]

probably not I wouldn’t touch this car without a warranty or CPO

[@DiaperSNiFFER]

I hate how the all wheel drive F sport didn’t get the full horsepower or brembo brakes. Does the AWD F sport LS even have performance tweaks like the RWD one?

[@jonathanratliff4780]

Wonder what Lexus has planned for LS future Kevin? Been so tight lipped about it…Lexus I mean

[@mravocadoman2904]

I wonder how this generation of LS compares to the newest generation, especially with the new engine.

[@shannaerickson6148]

Wonderful video with great detail. What is your take on ride comfort and sound insulation in this LS 460 vs the previous LS 430? I bought a 2006 LS 430 new and have been driving it since, and I feel spoiled for smooth ride comfort. Finally looking to replace it soon. I'm considering a 2016-2017 LS 460 or a 2023 Genesis G90.

[@DeathhAngel1]

@Misery Party you are completely wrong, genesis are literally luxury hyundais..

[@DeathhAngel1]

@Misery Party u have it wrong, yes hyundai and genesis are for gays but they hold their own in luxury somewhat.

[@B2stunt1]

Traded my 2006 ls430 for the 2017 LS 460. Quality is better is 430 love the power and newer tech in the 460. They are both smooth love and regret at same time. If you can keep both do it.

[@crxracer805]

I had the 2014 LS460 F Sport in ultra white. I regret selling it 😪

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Nice!

[@kurakuson]

2006 trans has a smooth shift also.

[@tomaszmazus5801]

Will removing the spare wheel from the trunk in RWD reduce fuel consumption and increase the performance of the car?

[@MeynMotorGroup]

No

[@ralphton1]

@Exhaust Sports Auto Does Lexus ls460 has Heads up Display? Is it still in production up-to-date?

[@MeynMotorGroup]

No it did not come with a HUD

[@ralphton1]

@@MeynMotorGroup is it still Produced, does it have 2018, 2019,2020 models?

[@RC-117]

@@ralphton1 after 2017 the LS was redesigned to be the LS 500, they dropped the V-8 engine, and the current LS uses a twin turbo V-6, such a shame, I think the LS 500 is hideous.

[@ralphton1]

@@RC-117so bad of them,that ls460 was the real deal, in design, comfort, the naturally aspirated engine, raw power, it gave reassurance and confidence on move, wished they could consider bringing it back and add some more features to it. That was a beast on road 4.6l engine🔥

[@RC-117]

@@ralphton1 exactly there is nothing like the power of a smooth V-8 engine. It just doesn’t get any better and I don’t trust all these TwinTurbo V6 engines. It just seems like that’s asking for trouble. You know what I mean I miss that natural aspirated V8, that car is a beast; like all Lexus cars they last forever.

[@Mr_Banker222]

Lexus RC 350 review please brother. 2015-2023

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Already covered the RC in great detail

[@tenantrep]

Are you positive that the mileage in the city is only 16 mpg’s? I’ve heard 21 in the city and 26 on the highway.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Very simple thing to Google. Even had the OFFICIAL Lexus specs shown on screen in less than a minute and 30 seconds into the video. I can't make it any easier than that my friend.

[@spxvfx]

W video Kevin

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Thanks!

[@theodoreyoung8777]

👊🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@user-JamesBond]

Hey! That’s my car. The red one in the beginning. Exact same one 2013 money pit but I love it.

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Nice!

[@jarretallen5368]

Why was it a money pit?? (I just bought a 2013 with 50000 miles)

[@user-JamesBond]

@@jarretallen5368 I have 140,000 miles on mine now. I had to change several things. The parts are expensive but worth it. At 50,000 miles. It’s perfect. I don’t know how many miles you drive a year but I drive mine for work close to 50,000 miles a year. By all means try to get an extended warranty. The break booster is going to go out really soon. That’s $2600, I will place the rear shocks that was $800, I replace the front Paul joints. I had a 2008 which had the same problems. at 140,000 miles the fan will go out. That’s just standard be prepared for that expense. At 100,000 miles you have to change the belts and you have to change all the fluids. I spent a lot on my car. But it keeps on ticking and keeps taking a licking. I change the oil every 5000 miles and let me tell you something it keeps on going like brand new. Please don’t forget to change the rear differential every 50,000. Do the same thing with the transmission oil. Any questions email me

[@timboslice45]

​@@jarretallen5368I have a 2014 AWD LS460 with 130,000 miles, literally the only problem i've had is the rain sensor stopped working....took it off, cleaned it, works good as new.

[@itzjdub282]

There should be a recall for the control arms from the 1st generation. Ridiculous

[@robertwalker8160]

I had a 2015 LS460 and it was nothing like my 2004 LS430. The 2015 never drove as smooth as my 2004. I kept complaining about it to the dealership and they told me that Lexus had made the suspension more sporty and that was reason I felt it felt jittery is the only way I can explain it. The death of that car for me was when I drove my Mom's 2007 E320 bluetec to work one day and it out drove and out road my 2015 LS. I was done with it. I don't know why Lexus had to screw up the ride of the 2004. Unfortunate for sure

[@MeynMotorGroup]

It's almost certainly just your LS 460. There have been so many inconsistencies with post 2013 Lexus products and the way they drive. Literally nobody talks about this, you can get into one Lexus that drives amazing and then into another that feels like dirt. Actually even with new Lexus products, I drove 3 new LS 500s and 2 felt like being in a wind tunnel, the third one was absolutely silent. It makes no sense and nobody can explain it.

[@christofonobrown3659]

While I own and love my 08, I think this is the best version of the LS. Completely admit the LS500 has a cooler interior, if you do not need the tech then this 460/600 generation is difficult to overlook.

[@mr.takethingstooseriously]

Only wish it was a pana roof instead of a crappy tv

[@gordonyz4]

Was thinking to get LS460 F-Sport, it was 15k more expensive and less equipped than GS, however it 0-60 faster than GS350. It does feel too big when driven aggressively

[@DeathhAngel1]

If all you care about is 0-60 just go buy a dodge scatpack or mustang bro

[@DeathhAngel1]

Little kids like to buy this car because they think its a sports car but then that first repair comes up and its 3k+

[@jussasmolbean3919]

@Nitroheckfire yeah no kidding, its a luxury car built for smoothness,comfort and quietness not to drive "aggressively" or for 0-60. Bet you the first think this guy would do if he buys this car is muffler delete it 😂

[@gordonyz4]

@@jussasmolbean3919 yeah would do burnout because it can

[@jussasmolbean3919]

@@gordonyz4 of course

[@BartMan59]

Your narrative timing is WAY talking about the F Sport/suspension with what is being shown - confusing to follow.

[@kingleox9]

Love the car hate the grille

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Nice!

[@theodoreyoung8777]

Yo bro

[@MeynMotorGroup]

Hey bro thanks for being first def let me know what you think of the last v8 big body Lex 👍

[@theodoreyoung8777]

@@MeynMotorGroup Your welcome bro no problem and I definitely will bro lol 🤝😎👍🏾👍🏾

[@dp-r.est.8995]

Lexus infotainment system and dash board always for me has been years behind the Germans. Major turn off

[@WRBWRXWGN]

With Lexus I always felt that you give up a bit of the bleeding edge tech in exchange for unmatched reliability. And that's a tradeoff I'm personally ok with.

[@brian7523]

Great review as always. You are correct, this LS460 is a lot better than the 2007-2011 model. Even the control arms on this model lasts a lot longer, plus this is the last LS with V8. Keep well my friend. From South Africa.