Strain VS Support 2 | K-Pop Male Vocalists VS Themselves

Comparison of supported singing VS strained/unsupported singing from the same male vocalists
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[@naomi9742]

Love how Sandeul only had one short clip of strain because he acknowledges what he can and can't do, so doesn't go out of his supported range very often

[@jessicad6961]

It's so satisfying listening to him sing.

[@marinellatorres1467]

True 💚 uri duckie jjang 💚

[@anastasyavie6236]

Yeah, I still listen to his album because it's so satisfying to hear him singing

[@wolfbunnyplanet2401]

of course Chen will strain in that song, in the intro very good example, that song is for women and the Key is way to high. But the fact that he even tried blows my mind.

[@Helloimjunghyun]

The thing is, he used reinforced falsetto And falsetto is a disconnected register so that's why his (supposed) mixing in fifth-octave sounds really hurt and bland And yes, there's almost no Tenor in the world who can support E5 above with mixed voice And I don't know why are some idols really obsessed with covering this song while even the original singer was straining to hit multiple G5 in this song

[@BTSRVLOONA]

what song?

[@Helloimjunghyun]

Tears, originally by So Chan Whee

[@BTSRVLOONA]

thank you

[@Helloimjunghyun]

+vkook trash even though he brought it down few keys, it's still too high for him So let's say he's bringing it down 3 semitones, the highest notes would be still too high for him (G5 > E5)

[@belowaverageasian7197]

Kyuhyun, Sandeul, Naul, Park hyo shin, all exceptional belters👍👍 Chen is great as well lol

[@Helloimjunghyun]

Jung Dong Ha too 😂

[@belowaverageasian7197]

Oh of course😂

[@minamatyan888]

Ha Hyun Woo and Kim Eun Woo too ))

[@swagbiscuit5282]

Wasted For Something thank you

[@morangoatomic997]

And Kyungsoo too, he can support up to bb4, the highest supported range in EXO.

[@vilmaelera2213]

This is why you all should stan b1a4

[@kyooongie]

Vilma Elera YES YES YES

[@ruuu_rooo1382]

myungsoo's wachaichori YEEEEZZZZZZ SANDEUL IN YO FACESSSSSS!!!!!!

[@GetWellSoonR.E.M.]

R.I.P. SHINee's Jonghyun

[@21jd_]

Wow… the supported notes really sound like, uplifting or something

[@21jd_]

great video btw!!!

[@Anya-ty6oh]

My respect for Sandeul and Kyuhyun just grew 100%

[@stannct1681]

Sandeul is hella impressive omg, I think it's high time for me to check b1a4

[@binnieskywalker7458]

Same omg

[@hhmmm5719]

when you realize it's impossible to find Kyuhyun & Sandeul starining just like it's impossible for Ryeowook to be off tune

[@AkiFuchs]

This, why I love Kyuhyun and Sandeul. And of course Chen will strain at that intro song. Even I can't sing it. I can belt an F#5, but resonant just until D5.

[@ahsoungbaobei2154]

Chen D.O

[@exosellie]

ahsoung baobei and Baek...

[@skyfall312]

kyuhyun doesn't have any strain in this video... vocal king

[@nhym1996]

summer lilly He slides from supported B4 to strained C#5 in this video. But he rarely sings out of his supported range.

[@skyfall312]

is that why his high notes don't hurt ears.. like sometimes it's really unbearable to listen to some high notes and it hurt my ears.. but I never experienced this kinda situation with kyuhyun's high notes.. sorry I don't understand these vocal terms, it's just my personal observations

[@bandotaku]

@@skyfall312 That's the difference between strained and supported. Kyuhyun has some of the best technique of any vocalist, so his supported notes always sound open and free, even when he gets to the highest parts of his range before straining. When you feel the discomfort is when you notice the strain.

[@skyfall312]

@@bandotaku I don't know anything about singing but what I know that most of the times when I hear high notes from singers it kinda hurt my ears, but there are singers like Kyuhyun, park hyo shin, they can go very high with their high notes and it doesn’t hurt my ears.. So I guess this is the difference between good and bad techniques

[@nightangel3578]

So many idols strain and it's really sad. The industry has the money and connections to help make some of them great singers, but the lack of caring and pure ignorance is just astounding within Kpop. And it's not the idols fault, but the fault of the companies for just allowing anything.

[@UzairKhan-qd3xu]

the thing is idol culture is more close to acting than music

[@panavcore3835]

strain isn't a bad thing 🤡✋🏻

[@vanhminglianitochhawng3209]

@@panavcore3835 its a bad thing 💀if u strain consistently without any good technique,then that means you're basically ripping ur vocal chords apart

[@panavcore3835]

@@vanhminglianitochhawng3209 I mean ofc lol I didn't mean it like that

[@jdescoto981]

10:16 So cute.. Kyuhyun is checking if there's vibration in the head

[@notmyname3556]

Denniel Escoto i always do that. Lmao.

[@UzairKhan-qd3xu]

i do it to but at the back of my head to check resonance

[@VocalStation]

The most impressive thing about Chen is his low notes. His great mixing allows him to belt very high and sound good even when straining, but being able to support all the way down to A2 as a relatively high tenor is quite a feat. That’s why he has a 2 octave supported range.

[@LiZa-kj6dy]

He can reach B1. Like that really shookt me when i saw exo low note battle. His voice is so high sitting but he has ease on super low bass notes. That's too impressive for a tenor. It's definitely not an easy thing to do and I think Chen's low notes deserves just as much hype as his high notes.

[@sessizdeniz494]

@@LiZa-kj6dy its always surprising me how can he do both high and low notes its amazing

[@VocalStation]

@Pinkii Lights I hope his time in the military doesn’t stunt his development! He’s my absolute favourite K-Pop vocalist. I still want a more energetic solo album from him so we can hear more powerful climaxes like he delivered in Wolf.

[@VocalStation]

@Pinkii Lights the same is mostly true for female vocalists as well. I don’t really know why. There has been some speculation that K-Pop’s great vocalists were great on their own accord, and that SM’s vocal training was never as great as it was said to be, but I really wonder where all the great singers have gone. I hope Ningning continues to improve in aespa. There are also rumours that SM is debuting a new boy group outside of NCT, so we’ll see how that turns out.

[@kledi3817]

ok but Kyungsoo’s strained C5 sounded so good in that performance. i love his supported Bb4 tho

[@sangpu300]

1Kyungsoo D.O 2 Suho Kim My Myun 3 Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân 4 Lay Trung Quôc

[@jungkooksbeautifulvoice7326]

These are my favourite videos to watch! I hope you'll keep posting these! By the way, SM is killing it as always!💕💕

[@aztre]

Kyuhyun is indeed one of the best idol singer in Kpop.

[@itsisayyyyy]

chen will surely strain there he uses a girl tone tho hahahaha

[@Helloimjunghyun]

When you said "something BIG", you came out with this video! This is really an informative video (and I'm sure Ahmin will be happy since you credited his blog lol) to differentiate Strain vs Support within same vocalists Edit: is this only me or does the resonance really getting bigger (in supported notes ofc) after Sandeul? 😅😅😅😅 As a Baritone, I can only watch this video in silent by clapping my hands and wish I could support notes up to F#4/G4

[@jamesonmack5867]

Wasted For Something I took away my like just so this could stay at 69

[@jamesonmack5867]

I'm pretty sure you mean a baritone with a higher voice, like a 'baritenor' a true baritone/baritone-bass could only dream of doing F4-A4 in mix

[@seol7035]

And here you are able to discover the mitochondria of Kpop

[@pentagonisntabedstopsleepi5744]

@@greyishduckie the powerhouse

[@Isolde.rebecca]

Funny how some very famous vocalists aren’t even in this video because they don’t really have a supported range

[@EyeSnipeYou]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@swagbiscuit5282]

Like Leo from vixx

[@abzbunny]

fireangel Leo actually strains his voice a lot but the maker of this video said they only did one member from each group else the video would be too long

[@swagbiscuit5282]

abzbunny Leo dosent support one note he sucks that's what I'm saying

[@nctsgrass]

Hila Greenberg At least it made you realise he's not worth being in the video.

[@deadsoon]

those strains are me crying out in pain when I hit my pinky toe with furniture

[@nenyindriyani9957]

Kyuhyun-ah 😍😍😍

[@mashedpotato3291]

cho kyuhyunah u r the BOSS

[@arabellacarmona9809]

our talented jonghyun 😢😢💙💙

[@andreamarie685]

Park Hyo Shin, Naul, Kyuhyun, Jung Dongha, Chen, Sandeul, D.O. 🙌🙀❤

[@sangpu300]

1Kim Jung Dongha 2 Chen Kim Jung Dae 3 Sandeul 4 Kyungsoo D.O

[@hotcocoainthewinter9792]

I like how it was Chen vs Chen. Lol 😂 Chennie! Anyway, still one of the best vocalists in Kpop :)

[@ambikarana1252]

All of thee3 clips are artists vs themselves.

[@haki7811]

Why is is that even when Ken strains , it still kinda sound free-- not much but it is still pleasant. Im a starlight and i know for a fact that Leo and Ken strains a lot but Ken's kinda diff

[@TheMRock888]

I know!! When Leo strains it is SUUPERR noticeable, but when Ken does it it still sounds BEAUTIFUL! I don't get it, but I don't care, he is my second favorite male KPop singer, RIGHT after Kyuhyun

[@sexcbyun9122]

It might be because Kens voice can handle strain better, like baekhyun for example. He can go out of his supported range and in doing so strains but it doesn't sound bad to the ear because his voice can handle it without ruining his vocal chords, however with Leo, it's definitely due to having terrible technique (weak) to be exact however I think Ken is (average or above) idk

[@ethanjupiter9827]

@@TheMRock888 well technically leo is always straining. The man can't support a single note.

[@valesoma4611]

Kyuhyun!!! Super Junior! :'D

[@sazzwlkr1585]

sandeul is my all time favourite vocalist wow loving the love for him in the comments (also that run D.O. does in baby don't cry gets me every time damn)

[@depressed_firefly]

Love how Kyuhyun strained note doesn't sound very strained. He know when to stop I guess. And he know his voice and abilities very well. And he can support C5 for a while, Masquerade just wasn't that case.

[@Mono-ni7yu]

Well he's a good singer going passed his ranged

[@niranjanrajesh1058]

That wasnt a c5 tho,it was a c#5

[@haleysommer5870]

Kyuhyun and park hyo shin tho

[@_Atlatus_]

I think every singer has started with straining or has done it before because that's how people learn

[@jazzzg4021]

Sandeul you guys

[@emms0003]

Exo! Infinite! B1a4!

[@k.gabriel8801]

Sandeul slays

[@procyon1]

Of course Kyuhyun 👍 Also i was waiting for Kim Junsu..

[@secretr2750]

Kyuhyun is King of Bb4s, so Clean and Effortless..

[@justmaebee]

Which performance is that for Kyuhyun with support at B4?? I saw it once before but I forgot where it's from Dx And yes please stan B1A4. They deserve some love 💜💜💜💜

[@tesbeeee]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/n36kla2Ej7h2eqsm59s :)

[@justmaebee]

t-sb I meant the one at 10:17 but that was a lovely performance too thank you :)

[@tesbeeee]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4bWiKCah7KXqbMm57s ;)

[@justmaebee]

t-sb thank you!!!

[@davidemartorana22]

Very nice idea :D It would be awesome to watch a K-pop female edition in the future!!

[@joeyjose727]

Lmao the title reminds me of RuPaul talking about the "Inner Saboteur," we love a person who gives life advice without a psych degree

[@EXIDek]

lmao yeess

[@judy2322]

..strain or supported d.o's voice is still good to hear,

[@ohsehun9660]

your next video should be a vocal rating for every male vocalists that have been analyzed in the blog

[@issatangomez4123]

B1A4 Sandeul The complete charming vocalist Kpop OST Prince And he belongs to top 3 best vocalist in Korea according to Immortal Song 2 One of King of Masked Singer

[@YaoiInMyVeins]

So Ken CAN support 💗 he just needs to learn how to support higher notes...i see💗

[@sexcbyun9122]

Ravi's Butt he just needs to get better technique and then it'll be easier to support. And resonate

[@user-dm2hr3qk9l]

Jung Dong Ha, Kyuhyun, Park Hyo Shin are the best ones here. They have all supported range over two octaves.

[@SujukyuHeart]

Is it just me or did kyuhyun not have any strain? 😳

[@MunkeeFWRrng]

iheartBTS Jungkookie His C#5 started to get strained towards the end. His larynx raised a bit.

[@kingsooo.o4432]

D.O and Chen ♥

[@poseiidon725]

It's a little bit off-topic but I just realized again how much I love Daesung's voice. He's not the best vocalist out there but his voice is quite unique and I love that.

[@samsoony9322]

My boi Sandeul be SLAYIN

[@hanyasalloum6153]

I'm very glad for this video, it shows that support can apply to all ranges not only high ones, which means the most vocalists can support up to a limit

[@exonctstan5553]

Chen and D.O's highnotesss

[@edcardenass]

amazing video! really good explanation at the beginning, keep going with these great videos :P

[@flylightlvia2181]

*Stan B1A4 Stan Talent*

[@marinellatorres1467]

It's still not late, yes they are now 3 members but we don't know what will happen in the future maybe they will be coming back as 5 as really B1A4, Stan B1A4 so that you guys wont be regretful someday 💚💚💚💚💚

[@herniLPDA]

Great video! I'd love to see one on low notes. It's harder for me to realize if low notes are supported

[@SujukyuHeart]

This video is better since u use the same artist to demonstrate support and strain instead of comparing artists

[@oliviaweeks9234]

KYUHYUN

[@zo0ter]

Just don’t forget that a voice doesn’t need to be strong in order to be beautiful ☺️😉

[@sexcbyun9122]

Stan KimJongdae true, but if all you ever do is strain even in your "supported" range, then you can't exactly call yourself a vocalist, for example jungkook who prefers style over technique might sound "Angel" like to some people but in fact it's very weak and nasally which is due to the lack of technique since he has weak technique.

[@zo0ter]

Puppy Baekhyun ya I guess ur right

[@fgkjhfkjghtyuiyuiy3444]

Hila Greenberg Yeah of course he is, but lets see if he really is going to take the time to improve his vocals, I mean, ive read somehwere that he already is satisfied eith himself- but idk if thats rlly true or not

[@TheLadycath]

Worldwide Handsome He said he didn't want to learn how to sing properly because he wanted to keep his style.

[@miyukifuji_mf]

Jungkook is shaking with this video and "he is improving" is a myth. I think BTS vocal line is heavily influenced by his improper singing and it's a shame. I want to see how much damage he already has in his voice.

[@esraturgut1466]

Jung Dongha's Bb4 in though i loved you tho it gets me everytime

[@estrellalau6599]

Kyuhyun 😎

[@limonade2544]

After I heard D.O sing I felt very much untalented.

[@nisamie512]

What do you mean "felt very much untalented"? Sorry for asking. Just curious :)

[@aimeeassals6794]

jONGHYUN HAS ME SHOOK STRAIN OR NO STRAIN

[@celynm4413]

Sandeul and Kyunhyun The Support kings. 😆💖💖💖

[@eymihoffel3471]

8 40 is d.o my sweet boy 😁👍😣😍😍😍❤💜❤💜❤💜❤💜❤💜❤💜❤💜❤💜❤

[@gabesereno9426]

D.O king of agility 😍❤️

[@badbada3003]

Not really tho

[@ariesjolas176]

@@badbada3003 among male kpop vocalists, he is. But if you include outside of kpop then it would probably be naul.

[@badbada3003]

@@ariesjolas176 the best agility in kpop is ailee i think

[@ariesjolas176]

@@badbada3003 she's one of the top vocalist in terms of agility among idol vocalist but compare him to naul then it's pretty obvious. Naul is more consistent in general.

[@badbada3003]

@@ariesjolas176 ailee is more precision and creativity, naul is faster

[@giannagaspar]

Love the video!! :D I was hoping to see the rest of the vocalists of BTOB besides Eunkwang. Is there a reason why they’re not included? :)

[@EXIDek]

i decided to only do one vocalist per group, since it would've been too long otherwise :)

[@giannagaspar]

EXIDek oohhh ok ok. Thank you for your hard work :)

[@daienkai148]

EXIDek ahh that makes sense xD I was wondering why you didn't include ryeowook. Just out of curiosity, who would you rank (your opinion personally) as a better vocalist amongst kyuhyun and ryeowook? I've heard conflicting opinions but you're my go to for singing knowledge now so I'm curious as hell

[@EXIDek]

i shouldn't be your go to hehe, all my knowledge is based on this blog: kpopvocalanalysis.net/, in which Kyuhyun is ranked as the better vocalist (in fact possibly the best male k-pop idol overall), but Ryeweok is reaally good too. you can read both their vocal analyses on that site:)

[@nontapattechopiyakul5323]

Nice video! Can you do supported vs unsupported low notes?

[@issatangomez4123]

B1A4 Sandeul gives me goosebumps! His performance is truly amazing!!

[@JoshJazz01]

What's the song Kyuhyun sings sustaining a Bb4?

[@EXIDek]

JoshJazz01 'Wildflower' :)

[@JoshJazz01]

EXIDek thank you :)

[@issatangomez4123]

Sandeul's Highnotes was extremely amazing!!

[@jazzzg4021]

I was waiting for this shit thankyou

[@veelite264]

i see daehyun i liked

[@jiminsleftasscheek3987]

Is it bad that I can’t really tell how to spot a strained note vs supported...even after watching the video and reading the intro

[@ANDSTONE100]

No, you need to train your ear to be able to tell the difference, to general listeners it really won't sound much different.

[@kaylajohnson7521]

That's why you stan BTS

[@nothingbettertodo5900]

@@kaylajohnson7521 Was that absolutely necessary?

[@kaylajohnson7521]

@@nothingbettertodo5900 of course lmao

[@kaylajohnson7521]

@Mariah&WhitneyLamb I'm saying that BTS fans love to deny that the boys have horrible technique. I think they're great singers but they seriously lack in the technique department.

[@eis364]

Idk of it's just me but it's much harder to regognize when a male singer strains than when it's female

[@strongwise1255]

i'd like to add kyu's strain D5 in a-cha to make this video more perfect

[@stellagunarso1031]

YESS!! you continued it! female vocalists pleaseee

[@strongwise1255]

kyu c#5 is supported lmao

[@jw0nevertheless]

i guess so but one can never be too sure xD

[@GetWellSoonR.E.M.]

it isnt pure strain, but Kyus throat tensed up because his layrnx shot up on the C#5 and he started pushing into the note. So there was some degree of strain

[@EyeSnipeYou]

You can tell it's a little strained toward the end. That's fine though?

[@strongwise1255]

Ryan Rockwell ((ITS NOT PURE STRAIN)) LMAO

[@maiamaya381]

strongwise his larynx raised a bit on the c#5

[@sdali247]

If you will do a 3rd part add the vocal type of the singers please..

[@samueltremblaay]

Loved it! You should do it for baritones male vocalists! 😊

[@MinniMoose1]

I love taeil 😁 I mean I love all these singers lol! But I especially love taeil's voice. I don't know why 🙄

[@limlimlamb]

I really miss Jonghyun...

[@emms0003]

8:48 😱 that voice tho m!

[@fiza_memon_2610]

Mahima Miah d. o

[@god-sz4qq]

How do you exactly do the "proper breathing technique?"

[@Helloimjunghyun]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJPEhWmDh7urnrM&list=PLdyBHXSl8ZfRDbalQ_hbFfp-Zepd8rkDi&index=1

[@yerimwon1995]

You breathe and let sound come out to put it simply. Ailee warms up by walking around saying "Yah" in a loud voice that isn't shouting. So Hyang, Lara Fabian, and David Phelps are all perfect examples of belting.

[@SuperPianogirl123]

Dongha's first B4 was also strained, but other than that good video.

[@lufisaanjar3073]

Kyuhyun 💙

[@clara698]

JongHyun

[@tonka3559]

KYUHYUN 💙💙💙

[@evabergsma7909]

Interesting video! Kinda curious how TVXQ / JYJ would do, both supported range and the difference in how strained and supported sound.

[@nathaliasantos6778]

Eva Bergsma Junsu and Jaejoong are pretty good, but Changmin strain a lot

[@wali8677]

strain or not , their voices sound pleasing and emotional for me

[@icesaya]

hi! can you do a vocal agility ranking for kpop?

[@morangoatomic997]

Amazing idea.

[@ariesjolas176]

D.O would most probably be the best kpop male vocalist when it comes to melismas

[@maryangelilusanta3570]

I can't even understand why some are strains because it sounds good to me 😂😂😂 but supported range do have better sound. I didn't even notice that Woohyun strains does part shown on the clip cause I really like his voice. 😍😍😍

[@sexcbyun9122]

mary angeli lusanta you personally might like it but at the beginning of the video it clearly tells you what strain is, and woohyun hasn't got the best technique in the world he's classed as an above average vocalist. Not even above average to proficient what baekhyun is. Infinite haven't actually got great singers, woohyun has the best technique (above average) but sungyu is just average and everyone else in the group hasn't been analysed by the page I go on to read about there vocal analysis.

[@maryangelilusanta3570]

Puppy Baekhyun I didn't even mention exo in my comment. I just stated that I didn't notice that some are strains but still liked the song. For you to say that Infinite haven't got any great singer is defaming for a fan. Infinite may strain but they always try to sing live and perform well. Reading those article about their vocal analyses is not enough for you to judge and claim that they don't have great singers. Plus you praised your bias and compared him to Woohyun. So classy 😒 I would have taken your comment lightly if you didn't do that. 😒

[@katewinslet]

Wow, Puppy Baekhyun, you show such disdain for Infinite and Woohyun. I wonder what they did to you. I love Baekhyun btw, and hope you don't go around using him to put down others. Wooyhun's voice is so beautiful and his technique has improved greatly. In general I like his tone more than the other vocalists that have higher supported notes

[@fannyl6656]

Some strains didn't sound obvious to me like 2:04, 3:25, 9:45

[@soaribb32]

Yes

[@badbada3003]

It's the placement

[@ohsehun9660]

notes are like this: c c# d eb e f f# g g# a bb b then back to c you should atleast put how large they support and their rating for example: chen have a2/bb2 - a4 and thats 2 octaves of support and he is a proficient to good vocalist(4.5) you should include their supported range in headvoice

[@EXIDek]

the supported ranges are included tho :)

[@Helloimjunghyun]

Unfortunately, some of them don't have developed Head Voice

[@ohsehun9660]

i mean the converted one like chen has 2 octaves while ken has 1 octave and 1 semitone

[@ohsehun9660]

Dani Marwan but atleast it was put to those who supported them

[@Helloimjunghyun]

+Oh Sehun I think what does really matter is what exact notes they actually support If she only wrote 1 octave 1 semitone or 2 octaves, then we don't know what the exact notes these vocalists can support 1 octave 1 semitone can be like this: Bb3~B4 or A2~Bb3 or C#3~D4 or E3~F4 and many many more

[@joudomacalabo1639]

Jonghyun

[@NinaAhgase]

ah so glad seeing youngjae 😩💚 his talent deserves more recognition and attention

[@exosellie]

SM DUDE❤

[@manusiaselayaknya]

Sandeul is too underrated,,,sad

[@HowWouldXSingKpop]

Can someone tell me the b1a4 song at 9:26?

[@EXIDek]

''sweet girl'' :)

[@HowWouldXSingKpop]

Thanks! :3

[@muthiald1269]

Chenchennn