Grant Palmer - "My Ah-Ha Moments While Researching Mormon History"

[@arthurslorton]

I left the LDS church in 2006. I was asked a single question on my faith by a friend, a Christian. To this day I can’t, for the life of me remember what that question was. My friend asked that I don’t answer at that moment, but to wait and pray and search for the answer. I spent the next 3 days searching and reading and praying. I found tons of info on the internet and an internet site Mormons In Transition (MIT). I had conversations through emails with a few of them and found more and more inconsistencies with the LDS church. Angry and broken I prayed and continued to read and search for the next few days. …Hearing/listening to Ex-Mormons here in Utah is hard. It brings back so much emotion. I am finding it difficult not to stay angry of the LDS church, although I am wholeheartedly grateful for these KZbin videos.

[@markkrispin6944]

Congrats on leaving the bondage of the Mormon Church. Rejoice in your new found freedom my friend.

[@Standing.W.Israel]

Searching the Scriptures and praying for TRUTH is a much different experience than a "burning in the bosom" ... And you SHOULD be angry.... the LDS hierarchy absolutely knows all of these things and the lack of evidence and the way they have changed their various doctrines with the times...none of which is honest or transparent in a way that shows a genuine care and concern for a person's soul....

[@johnlee1352]

Nearly twenty years gone and here you still are...pathetically bashing a faith you claim to have rejected two decades ago. I've heard therapy helps. I think you still have unresolved issues. After this long you're still angry and broken. Sad.

[@mikesirman3148]

I served a mission 08-10, and after being out 18 months we were suddenly directed to try to commit our investigators to baptism after the first lesson... I could never do that... started my cognitive dissonance... also the "anti" I had read (just trying to see what kinds of concerns I might hear from ppl) turned out to be true, not just "wicked lies".... so I left a couple weeks after returning home

[@blizzard2oo]

Wow, the internet is such a reliable source of info regarding anything!!

[@bobthetuber11]

Thank you Grant Palmer! You are an example to us all. After 28 years, a mission, temple marriage, working for LDS for 5 years, all I have is a hand full of good memories and a mountain of anxiety, anger, distrust, cognitive dissonance, etc... I just got tired of being told I was wrong by people who know less than I do, but as the bishop told me point blank to justify staying in the church, "ignorance is bliss"

[@johnlee1352]

+bobthetuber11 Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.

[@robertallison107]

Glad to hear you've gotten free ! Yes, so many have been duped into believing Smith and his cultic nonsense.

[@larryfreestone6135]

John Lee what an asshole you are

[@thetiler]

I find it amazing they are still putting out how real the BOM is !

[@johnlee1352]

@Buck Snort Just wishing him well on his journey out of accountability.

[@sarak6860]

I am happy to proclaim that I have left the LDS church. Like Grant, I still have great faith in Jesus Christ.

[@seagullfisherman5401]

+Sara K Now go learn differences in beliefs! God is the creator of all in Christianity.

[@johnlee1352]

+Sara K Thanks for leaving on your own...we usually have to throw our deadwood out.

[@robertallison107]

+Sara K Good for you ! Always glad to hear of your departure from deception. Mormonism is a spiritual prison. Enjoy your new-found freedom in God.....

[@sarak6860]

My mental health is much better, and my spirituality and closeness to God is increasing. I left a year ago.

[@johnlee1352]

+Sara K I wish you well on your journey out of accountability...

[@youngmossy69]

about 4 years ago this video was everything to me...Thank you Grant, you changed my life.

[@JerrodGuddat]

"The English Bible was to the Catholic church what the internet is to the Mormon church." - Grant Palmer (1:13:05) ...very fascinating insight.

[@TP-om8of]

Except it wasn’t.

[@zombieslayer2961]

Brilliant. I can’t believe how much I keep learning about the actual and true history of the church. It keeps blowing me away. Love it. Thank you

[@nerdnul]

It takes guts to leave a cult like LDS. Intellectual integrity is a gift from God.

[@nerdnul]

Tell that to God, not me.

[@adamgoodword7888]

It does indeed! Because so many times, story after story I've heard how ex mormons have lost family and friends. I certainly did. But, the rewards for leaving Mormonism and losing much is gaining Jesus!! God bless Maxwell!

[@thechurchofnarcissistlatte2584]

YOU LOST YOUR FAMILY?? WHAT HELL KIND CULT IS THIS?

[@sarahkay9624]

Truth

[@RavenAshbourneBlack]

Sarah Kay nakedmormonismpodcast.com

[@Z3kyTw0]

Former member here myself. Once I started to research the lack of archeological and DNA evidence in for the book of Mormon, I knew it was time to leave. I am now closer to Christ.

[@jestes7]

I’m sorry to hear that.

[@sarak6860]

Me, too. Left Mormonism eight years ago. But I will never leave Jesus Christ behind.

[@gerard4870]

​@@jestes7so is your god, satan.

[@chaplainmattsanders4884]

blessings on you & your journey!

[@munchanito]

@@jestes7why?

[@janettejohnson1741]

I also thought the church was true, and I also didn't like it. I experienced years of depression that started to lift after reading unedited church history. It is amazing how living a repressed life can influence mental health.

[@richardholmes7199]

Grant Palmer said that the Egyptologist's were right! Although the You Tube video titled ''Book of Abraham Debunks anti-LDS Lies'' in the YEAR 2014 DEBUNKED ALL OF THAT ANTI-BOOK OF ABRAHAM INFO (books, websites, You Tube videos) though!

[@christianbeliever9258]

Why did you tangent off topic to something not even addressed? You misrepresent our faith with these caustic posts.

[@richardholmes7199]

@Janette Johnson Google ''Book of Abraham debunks anti-LDS Lies You Tube'' It's thee video that debunked Robert Ritner and the other Egyptologist's. How? Proper interpretation of the translation process of the Book of Abraham. It kind of proves that Grant Palmer on the above You Tube video is ludicrous on his anti-Book of Abraham attack, in other words. As all anti-Book of Abraham efforts, books, You Tube videos, sites, from the Egyptologist's and the anti-Mormon Christian's (self addressed Christians) is based on false idiotic assumptions on translation.

[@richardholmes7199]

Grant Palmer, thee Egyptologist's, thee anti-Mormon Christians, the remainder have been proven to be jackasses, in other words. As ALL anti-Book of Abraham information, anti-Book of Abraham You Tube videos for example, is based on false idiotic assumptions on the translation process of the Book of Abraham from Joseph Smith. That video that I told you you about in my last comment proves it. Proves it by demonstrating proper INTERPRETATION of the translation process of the Book of Abraham. That video followed shortly after a silent prayer to God in the year 2014 for some kind of new insight on this Book of Abraham subject. By the way, that video is video 1 of 10. I wouldn't suggest listening to the anti-Mormon information from the likes of Grant Palmer on the above You Tube video, they're not a very honest people.

[@hippiedachshunds1632]

Richard Holmes You come across as increasingly desperate and paranoid. What are you so afraid of? Finding out that Grant Palmer is telling the truth? Pathetic.

[@42apostate]

I, like most Mormons, assumed the "good feelings" were a confirmation of Mormonism--until I realized that those EXACT FEELINGS showed up when I sang the National Anthem, read "Old Yeller", saw the movie "PS I Love You" and read "Twas The Night Before Christmas". Were my thrilling and tingly and heart warming, burning in the bosom feelings reading "Twas The Night Before Christmas" a confirmation that Santa Claus was REAL or true?? Paul Dunn (Qof70) was a great story teller. THRILLING! ALL a lie!.

[@bobbyc.1111]

's because you were never taught the difference between emotions and the feeling of the spirit. the church doctrine is actually true but you and others really never were taught and seem to be gullible. Because you finally learned to think you think its not true however imo you haven't thought far enough and that is why. Yes, you can get warm feeling from a lot of things but the light you can't get from it and the gift of the Holy ghost you can't. you can feel the HOly ghost but not have it has a constanst companion and there is a difference. and you need to read the book Faith crisi by the stoddards. I haven't needed it but many others seem to because typical people mormon aren't familiar with con men and are book smart but with out critical question thinking. and this guy says this and some of them eat it up. if you don't believe its not true why stay?

[@WowDude1029]

@@bobbyc.1111 insulting and belittling people is certainly the way to bring them back. “Bobby, you’re a moron for not critically thinking and just ‘feeling’ that something is true.” You’re not following the great commandments. You’re being an asshole. And if you really want to bring people unto Christ, stop attacking and bullying and belittling the “lost sheep.”

[@austismforever]

Noticed it at an ozzy osbourne concert and it made me completely loose my testimony of the holy ghost. That blasphemous rock god showed me the way

[@TP-om8of]

Wait…Santa Claus is a lie?

[@richarner3856]

Its not a lie if you believe it​@TP-om8of

[@dannydaniel4024]

I don't think the LDS church would have the amount of followers it has right now if the internet existed many years ago. More will leave over time. I just don't understand how the finances are not for public viewing by this church. Tithing is investment money for LDS Corp Inc not for tithing.

[@DRT279]

You’re right, they would have more. Look how shitty society has gotten since the internet. We have stupid kids in school as furries, going in litter boxes and not responding to questions from teachers because furries don’t talk.

[@tuesdaycurtis163]

We left the church, three families, 13 people. Praise God, he showed us the truth.

[@johnlee1352]

13 fewer weak and confused Mormons...what's the downside?

[@Standing.W.Israel]

@@johnlee1352 whose the weak one? the people who face the realities of the FARSE that is LDS and leave or someone like you who is either just believing whatever someone has told you that you don't care to find out for yourself or you're just too prideful to admit that you've been wrong or duped.... there is no shame in admiting to that... it's your ETERNITY that's at stake!! I will pray for you♥︎

[@johnlee1352]

@@Standing.W.Israel OR... I'm right and you're a weak idiot...the possibilities are endless! Always glad to be the subject of prayer, though I suspect my best interests will not be at the fore. If you ever were LDS, thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out. If you never were, thanks for staying out.

[@barbsehestedt6894]

It’s 2am and I’ve just taken about 10 pages of notes on this talk and my mind is blown--one of those little mind field explosions you mentioned--but THANK YOU!!!!! I left about 4 years ago all because of an unworthy bishop and now your words make me so very sure I did the right thing!!! I’m glad I didn’t waste more time! I’m ordering your book!

[@chaplainmattsanders4884]

blessings on your journey!

[@raizelm1578]

The hardest part of leaving Mormonism is learning that words and terms mean very different things to people like me who grew up in the LDS church and those who are Bible-based Christians. It has been a painful and difficult journey of 40 years.

[@johnlee1352]

Thanks for leaving on your own...we would have thrown you out eventually.

[@chaplainmattsanders4884]

God bless you on your ongoing journey. May you continue to grow in the love and wisdom of the one and only True God. You must be a courageous person.

[@Standing.W.Israel]

I bet you are thankful for the pain involved to be realizing the truth!!!

[@edoboleyn]

DAMN. That lady who described the church's "corporate package as declining in value" and called them out for racism, sexism, and homophobia. A+++

[@ryanr5139]

Mere C that was cringe af

[@johnnybaxter1953]

I agree with Palmer, but there is no racism, sexism, or homophobia from the church. I lived in it every day for 20 years

[@avagage1]

I am so happy to see these people come out of the cult of mormonism

[@Dupreism]

You didnt like my koolaid? Please come back, it only takes 10% of your income to go to heaven.

[@presidentnixonsanus]

Joseph Smith I am seeking forgiveness for my sins, would you throw in a Second Anointing if I go all the way up to 15%?

[@evelyndearmond9624]

Me too.

[@toesetusitala3083]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the church of Christ. When it is the truth people hate truths. We still love you brothers and sisters. We don't retaliate because when Jesus Christ did not retaliate his enemies. Why don't you leave the church and not bad mouth it????? The guilt is not easy to live with. God sees everything and his work shall move forward as evidently shows in the growth of the gospel in the four corners of the world. Thank you.

[@juneholley1813]

@@toesetusitala3083 When your "truth" is contradicted by facts and evidence, it isn't true.

[@catrionahenderson7759]

I found this illuminating and interesting. Thankyou for doing this for us. I have left the church, after 40 years. I was appalled at what I had been in for those 40 years.

[@sarak6860]

I was in for 40 years, too. I converted at 16. What a waste!

[@swayzy762]

​@@sarak6860It didn't happen against God's will. It wasn't a waste. Our thoughts aren't His thoughts, and His ways are higher than our ways. Have faith in Him that this was neccesary for His will and pleasure. Nothing works against Him, all things glorify Him in the end, I believe.

[@sarak6860]

You may be right. There are good things I learned during my years as a Mormon.@@swayzy762

[@hanichay1163]

Sooo much of the BoM was lifted from the KJV. How could we not know this? Mostly because the church stresses the BoM and dismisses the Bible.

[@joshuacaseyccsu]

This video is great and thank you for posting. I'm former LDS and ministries such as yours were such a crucial part of my getting saved. Praise God!

[@tucuxi70]

You're not saved when you reject the very church and ONLY church that Christ created! Wise up!

[@joshuacaseyccsu]

And you're saved if you embrace this 'Church'? You still have to perform works once you're in it.

[@TheRealDonLayton]

Joshua Casey Actually, nobody HAS to perform anything. We all have agency. Can we be honest about this question? The Bible has MUCH to say about faith and works. Parts of it APPEAR to be in conflict with each other but is clarified upon careful examination, in context. For example, he was once asked Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? (Matt 18:16). His answer was simply to keep the commandments. 1 Jn is full of references necessitating works as a part of salvation. The NT is full of references of things we are commanded to DO - which would have been unnecessary if all we needed to do was to sit back and do nothing. And Luther actually advocated removing several books from the Canon, including James because of its emphasis on works. Clearly, there are parts of the Bible that indicate that what is needed is to have faith in Christ without the deeds of the law (Rom 3:27) or that man is not justified by the works of the law (Gal 2:16). The LDS view is that "the law" that is referred to, is simply the law of Moses, which was fulfilled in Christ. Further, we believe that it is ONLY in Christ that we are saved, after all we can do (2 Ne 25:23). Finally, even the act of believing is something we either do or don't do. Belief is, very much, a work. And all of our works are a natural result of our faith.

[@joshuacaseyccsu]

unirrational, the Mormon view is that it is only in Christ we are saved after all we can do? What if we don't do everything we can possibly do? Who among us does? Hear me out, obedience is important. But I don't strive to keep the commandments to gain eternal glory; I try to keep them because it's the wish of someone who gave their life for me. Also, no man is to judge how well I keep the commandments. Just like I'm not to judge anyone else.

[@tucuxi70]

Joshua Casey Try writing your sentences properly, before you claim you know what you are talking about. Wise up!

[@chalktalkwithshari4173]

I left the [LDS] church in 1991. I just couldn’t accept the wholesomeness of Joseph Smith and the BoM any longer. Living through the whole Salamander Letter scandal while living in Utah was a huge ah-ha moment. Plus, Mormons aren’t very Christian…at least they weren’t back then. I have been so much happier and closer to Jesus since leaving the LDS church and moving out of Utah.

[@kentthalman4459]

Grant Palmer is a gift to us.

[@sarak6860]

Now he is in Heaven with Jesus.

[@puppetmaster3911]

I am so proud of you ex Mormons leaving a cult.

[@darinwinn1640]

Please learn the definition of a cult. The LDS church is to large for one to be one.

[@darinwinn1640]

@Chad Gochis i noticed the same thing with Catholics. Most are pretty good people and think the Pope is a good guy even with all the history of the Church and Popes. Especially now with all the kids molested by Priest and Cardinals and the obvious knowledge of the church and its leaders.

[@juneholley1813]

@@darinwinn1640 The BITE model disagrees. experts who study cults and help those who leave and reprogram disagree. Mormonism is a cult.

[@juneholley1813]

@Chad Gochis There is extensive evidence that shows the Mormon church leadership have intentionally lied for financial control and gain for generations.

[@darinwinn1640]

@@juneholley1813 cant argue with a idiot. Try looking up definition dingdong. Its to big to be a cult is the first given.

[@babywantsrevenge]

On how he got so many women.... he threatened them with going to hell/him getting slain by angels. So he did not get them to say yes. He tricked them.

[@brockwillenborg7517]

some of them were children

[@NightSky777]

"Trickery" & "Deception" is their Origin and Modus Operandi

[@markservice8735]

Power is also an aphrodisiac that can't be discounted. That supposed power being a false illusion (reality) of him being a prophet, though they likely believed it to be true.

[@TheShodan92]

Brother Palmers study and accounts of Joseph Smith is very disturbing. He really shed the light on the dark personality of what Joseph Smith really was.

[@jackloganbill605]

As a former and active LDS member, I came to the same understanding as Grant Palmer. And like an onion, layer by layer can be stripped away resulting in nothing left but tears. The seer stones, the method JS used to "translate" the BOM, the Kirtland bank experience ending with JS becoming a fugitive, the Missouri experience, Nauvoo, polygamy, etc. You can see how JS became what he cautioned against, once a man obtains a bit of authority he begins to exercise unrighteous dominion. But it was how JS treated his closest friends when they rejected polygamy that is most telling...

[@utah133]

You can believe almost anything if you put your mind to it. I now prefer reason over feelings when it comes to beliefs, though. I don't blame those who think the BOM is true or do I think they're stupid. They've just followed "feelings" instead of reason. I happen to value truth more than loyalty. I left Mormonism because of that. You don't find truth by feelings. Logic and evidence may lead to uncomfortable truths and may not be as pleasant as deluding oneself, but I prefer it. If you've got to tell yourself fairy tales to be happy, go for it.

[@vernonmancer4885]

just imagine if the fairy tails are true what the result will be one day think about it

[@johnlee1352]

+rationalguy On behalf of good Mormons everywhere, let me congratulate you on your exit from the Mormon Church. You saved us the trouble of throwing you out! We're always looking to get rid of the deadwood and misfits anyway. You're too weak and self absorbed to be among us. Have a nice unaccountable life.

[@realdiamondshow]

+John Lee What a nasty little mormon you are..... "glad you left"? What an impressive Christ -like love you have for ex-members! You loveless hard hearted hypocrite. Many thanks for showing a perfect example of the real inside attitudes of your fake religion.

[@johnlee1352]

+rationalguy Some will allow you to bash their faith with impunity! Not this one.

[@realdiamondshow]

John Lee I do not believe that your response would be approved by your bishop, or Jesus himself. Do you?

[@alcarlson5481]

I was a freshman at BYU in 1970. From a small town in rural Illinois and not a Mormon, I knew nothing about the Mormonism but was an athlete and had to take Book of Mormon as part of my academic requirements. When I started hearing about what was being taught , it was hard for me to take it seriously at first. Later in the course it just made me angry. I was a "believing Christian" with a Baptist background and I found nothing similar to Christianity in any of it. I loved the friends I made there, but I was appalled by the doctrine being sold and the focus on rules instead of Spirituality. The point is how easily people can buy in to something so easily seen as unreal and at the same time a legalistic cult. I was 17 when I got to BYU and transferred to a different college 2000 miles away before the next academic year. 1:22:28

[@johnlee1352]

Thanks for not joining the LDS church. You sound too weak and confused to be a Mormon anyway. Here you are...dredging up 53 year-old memories and you're obviously still appalled and angry. I've heard therapy helps. I think you still have unresolved issues with the Mormons. Move on already...geez

[@doreenhuse3694]

If we know CHRIST JESUS OF THE BIBLE, THAT HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, THAT NO ONE GOES TO THE FATHER, BUT THROUGH JESUS!!! This absolutely eliminates EVERYBODY ELSE from the TRUTH!!! GOD bless these people who comes to know the TRUTH!!!

[@presidenteldermarkhoffman8304]

YES JESUS IS TRUTH AND THE LIGHT. NOTHING MORE NEEDED EXCEPT HIM FOR FOR SURE NOT CULT LIKE BRAINWASHED MORMONS!

[@jamesstrawn6087]

I once explained to two kind young men, LDS, in my home, how the biblical texts of the Greek New Testament and the Hebrew old were derived. They had no idea how different this was from what they believed about the origins of the BOM. But when I paused to hear their reaction, I was told that I ought to read the BOM nevertheless and see if I experienced the "burning bosom." This evidently was something they had experienced or at least were told to say.

[@42apostate]

Yes he was persecuted and hounded--not because of his faith, but because of his ACTIONS!--snubbing his nose at State authorities, marrying little girls, marrying other men's wives, destroying a printing press, his Kirtland bank fraud, hitting on local women and boasting of his "holy" works. His treatment (except for murder) was treatment ANY con man deserves who tries pulling the wool over the eyes of the public. He DID NOT deserve to be murdered. I for one wish he had lived to stand trial.

[@Josephus-f1o]

When I first heard about Mormonism in the begining of the story 1 Joseph Smith said he saw God (strike 1 no one can look upon God Moses saw a burning bush) Strike 2 was only Joseph Smith saw the plates and then the "angel" took them back. It never got to the hat but the hat is priceless--I pretend not to know anything about Mormon just to hear about the hat

[@johnlee1352]

Are you really this illiterate? Exodus 33:11..."And the LORD spake to Moses FACE TO FACE as a man speaketh unto his friend." Are you stupid? You apparently know nothing about the Bible either...

[@frankallen5678]

Golden tablets, hidden planets, plural marriages, Jesus visited Salt Lake, can they be that silly?

[@jumpropestairs6129]

Yes, people believe the hoax....

[@5kblack]

+ Frank Allen Maybe later, we'll find the Loch Ness Monster in the Great Salt Lake....

[@robertallison107]

+ kevin beck Yes, all of us LOVE a good sequel....

[@Adriana-hp1eh]

Just as silly as anything in the Bible.

[@WhereWhatHuh]

Remember that no one is entirely rational all the time. People who are conditioned to be irrational on a certain topic will nearly always have a blind spot, however rational they may be otherwise. That any Mormon can ever leave Mormonism is only by the grace of God, the LogoS incarnate.

[@BarbaraJoanneBJ]

Years later this evil man, Smith, is still ruining lives. My sister converted and she now shuns me because I let her know I would never become a Mormon. Families Forever? Yeah, right.

[@sugarsweetsister]

😢

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

I think they are amazing too: Believing in gold plates, Abraham's writings turning up in America, dark skin being a sign of God's displeasure, travelling to other planets at will (yes one of the prophets thought he could do this) Quakers living on the moon, men living on the sun, polygamy, etc etc. And it's even more amazing that people can still believe in these men.

[@TheShodan92]

The life blood of the Mormon Church is ebbing away. Those of us who have awoken can never again go back to sleep. You will rarely get any decent debate in the defense of Mormonism, but one can only expect personal attacks and labels.

[@johnlee1352]

Thanks for leaving on your own...we would have thrown you out anyway.

[@TheShodan92]

+John Lee go fuck yourself devil worshiper.

[@geraldhenson6521]

You have overstated your case against the church. We are here to stay and don't give one rip about what you think or say. Just because some ex-LDS deadbeats decide to leave and then post it on youtube you think we are ebbing away. Joseph Smith predicted this a long time ago. A certain number of deadbeats and slag will leave the church. We active LDS have known about it for years. All you are is prophecy fulfilled.

[@TheShodan92]

+Gerald Henson .... Ar but you DO care about what is being said. It grinds at you, it affects your testimony. It brings more unanswered questions in you that you are forced to brush away with parrot narrative of bearing your testimony. I doubt you've watched this video, but you call Grant Palmer, an honest man, a deadbeat. Grant Palmer passed away without resentment or hatred against the church. But you Mormons all speak vicious vitriol against a good man who speaks truth because it doesn't fit with yours. You remind me of Joseph Smith who would label the women who refused his sexual advances as "whores". The Mormon church are closing missions, combining Wards and Stakes, it is cracking. The flood may not happen in my lifetime but it's coming. You want REAL prophecy?, try Christs prophecy over a con man. False prophets like wolves in sheeps clothing, as William Law, 2nd Counselor to Smith (another honest man demonized by you lot), had stated in his diary. Mormons hate facts, that's a fact in itself.

[@TheShodan92]

@Gerald Henson ... The parroting of the narrative of which you dribble is nothing new to me. You lay claim to THE true church, seizing self righteous high ground by passing a judgement on people who oppose what you believe. You've been indoctrinated to think the MORMON mindset, an indoctrination I am well award of. Thus you parrot what has been fed into your head for years. The fact that other religions claim to be THE truth makes your own claim subjective. All you have to go on is your religious beliefs in spite of facts and historical truth. So deluded in your self righteousness that you say I'm a tool of the devil. Wow.. what an ego!!.( If it's up to Christ to say Grant Palmer is a good man or not , then isn't it up to Christ to say whether I'm a tool of the devil or not as well?. See the problem you have now?, it's called "hypocrisy"). You've clearly pointed out the crap that MORMONS have been fed on, how you think and what you REALLY believe. A vitriol of vicious judgment of others who are no longer indoctrinated by filthy blasphemous falsehoods taught by the MORMON church. MORMONS demonize good men like Grant Palmer, and William Law. And elevate the sick twisted sexual predatory liars like Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. You hate facts, thus you ignore them and splash your verbal diarrhea by making a judgement on people who have awoken to the MORMON fraud. Try again...

[@curtisgeiger9134]

Six years ago, a High Priest proudly gave a copy of DC 132. Reading it took me on a journey that led to Mr Palmer. Mr Palmer brought me to study more deeply the church I had been a member of for 70 years. I no longer believe any of Smiths story. I have not officially removed my name from their roles. I will soon so so as most of my family will do.

[@glendamclachlan5021]

Joseph Smith could have seen these beings. Satan Himself can appear as a being of light. If Joseph was inviting these evil beings through mysticism and magic then he was a perfect target for satan to use for the purpose of deceiving millions through this false church. 2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

[@cdowis]

+Glenda McLachlan Are you also saying that Paul saw "an angel of light" on the road to Damascus.

[@Margatatials]

I am A Christian and I got that same impression

[@aligolightly7359]

This is my suspicion

[@andrewandjoanhart7882]

Joseph Smith fails every test of a prophet, but passes the test of a seer. The prophet is messenger of the Most High God, but a seer looks into a very different realm via a way not of God. Warnings abound in the bible of teaching and being taught a different gospel.

[@camillewilliams3185]

I belief the origins of his so-called visions and revelations are demonic. His use of what sounds like witch craft is a dead giveaway to me.

[@kevinmcdonald6106]

RIP GRANT PALMER.

[@alannahmay3823]

I miss him already.

[@MrNirom1]

That is NOT happening. He came to know the truth. He was wrong and passed on his cultish ideas to you all. You will all find out that what you see of the past with eyes of the present is not what it appears to be!

[@deehee7380]

1) "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39 WHERE ARE THE MORmON gODS? (2) "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10 WHEN WAS WERE THE MORmON gODS FORMED? (3) "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6 "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5 DOES MY GOD NOT KNOW THE MORmON gODS?

[@disguysn]

+dee hee For whatever it's worth, the Hebrews had a whole slew of gods before they settled on the god of war (known as "the lord of hosts").

[@deehee7380]

+Jeremy Nicoll..... They had many titles of the same God which were adjectives but worshipped the one and only true God....FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH?

[@utah133]

Where is any god?

[@deehee7380]

+rationalguy... There is only one True God...Earth is his footstool.

[@deehee7380]

+Bergen Norway ..IN CASE YOUR SERIOUS? EL, ELOAH: God "mighty, strong, prominent" (Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 139:19) - etymologically, El appears to mean “power,” as in “I have the power to harm you” (Genesis 31:29). El is associated with other qualities, such as integrity (Numbers 23:19), jealousy (Deuteronomy 5:9), and compassion (Nehemiah 9:31), but the root idea of “might” remains. ELOHIM: God “Creator, Mighty and Strong” (Genesis 17:7; Jeremiah 31:33) - the plural form of Eloah, which accommodates the doctrine of the Trinity. From the Bible’s first sentence, the superlative nature of God’s power is evident as God (Elohim) speaks the world into existence (Genesis 1:1). EL SHADDAI: “God Almighty,” “The Mighty One of Jacob” (Genesis 49:24; Psalm 132:2,5) - speaks to God’s ultimate power over all. ADONAI: “Lord” (Genesis 15:2; Judges 6:15) - used in place of YHWH, which was thought by the Jews to be too sacred to be uttered by sinful men. In the Old Testament, YHWH is more often used in God’s dealings with His people, while Adonai is used more when He deals with the Gentiles. YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH: “LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) - strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles “LORD” (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, “Lord.” The revelation of the name is first given to Moses “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance (Psalm 107:13), forgiveness (Psalm 25:11) and guidance (Psalm 31:3). YAHWEH-JIREH: "The Lord Will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) - the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac. YAHWEH-RAPHA: "The Lord Who Heals" (Exodus 15:26) - “I am Jehovah who heals you” both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities. YAHWEH-NISSI: "The Lord Our Banner" (Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17. YAHWEH-M'KADDESH: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" (Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) - God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy. YAHWEH-SHALOM: "The Lord Our Peace" (Judges 6:24) - the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him. YAHWEH-ELOHIM: "LORD God" (Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) - a combination of God’s unique name YHWH and the generic “Lord,” signifying that He is the Lord of Lords. YAHWEH-TSIDKENU: "The Lord Our Righteousness” (Jeremiah 33:16) - As with YHWH-M’Kaddesh, it is God alone who provides righteousness to man, ultimately in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ, who became sin for us “that we might become the Righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21). YAHWEH-ROHI: "The Lord Our Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1) - After David pondered his relationship as a shepherd to his sheep, he realized that was exactly the relationship God had with him, and so he declares, “Yahweh-Rohi is my Shepherd. I shall not want” (Psalm 23:1). YAHWEH-SHAMMAH: "The Lord Is There” (Ezekiel 48:35) - the name ascribed to Jerusalem and the Temple there, indicating that the once-departed glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 8-11) had returned (Ezekiel 44:1-4). YAHWEH-SABAOTH: "The Lord of Hosts" (Isaiah 1:24; Psalm 46:7) - Hosts means “hordes,” both of angels and of men. He is Lord of the host of heaven and of the inhabitants of the earth, of Jews and Gentiles, of rich and poor, master and slave. The name is expressive of the majesty, power, and authority of God and shows that He is able to accomplish what He determines to do. EL ELYON: “Most High" (Deuteronomy 26:19) - derived from the Hebrew root for “go up” or “ascend,” so the implication is of that which is the very highest. El Elyon denotes exaltation and speaks of absolute right to lordship. EL ROI: "God of Seeing" (Genesis 16:13) - the name ascribed to God by Hagar, alone and desperate in the wilderness after being driven out by Sarah (Genesis 16:1-14). When Hagar met the Angel of the Lord, she realized she had seen God Himself in a theophany. She also realized that El Roi saw her in her distress and testified that He is a God who lives and sees all. EL-OLAM: "Everlasting God" (Psalm 90:1-3) - God’s nature is without beginning or end, free from all constraints of time, and He contains within Himself the very cause of time itself. “From everlasting to everlasting, You are God.” EL-GIBHOR: “Mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6) - the name describing the Messiah, Christ Jesus, in this prophetic portion of Isaiah. As a powerful and mighty warrior, the Messiah, the Mighty God, will accomplish the destruction of God’s enemies and rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15).

[@joytolive6647]

Grant, thank you for having the courage to come forward and share your story. I found that when I became truly free to seek inspiration apart from any belief system, I also miraculously felt free to allow others to believe as they will. This feeling of freedom was my validation that my choice to leave the teachings of the LDS church was a correct decision.

[@justinmeasday8930]

Joseph Smith is the second best cult leader after mohammed.

[@darinwinn1640]

Again, another idiot who doesnt know what a cult is. If your going to bash a religion its better you dont come across as a moron.

[@justinmeasday8930]

@@darinwinn1640 hi. Maybe you should actually look into Smith and exactly how the whole thing started, and then the next 50 years. Especially the LDS under Brigham Young. It is also interesting to look into the group led by James Strang. Yes, it started out as a Christian based apocalyptic millinealist group and had morphed into a nonchristian cult by thie time Joseph and Hiram were murdered in Carriage.

[@darinwinn1640]

@@justinmeasday8930 stupid reply. LDS and Strang group is like comparing Catholics and Lutherans. Moronic replys that LDS arent Christian or have their own Jesus. If you dont like it fine but dont create a false narrative.

[@justinmeasday8930]

@@darinwinn1640 you spastic reply is the false narrative. Why so pissy if you're right? 90 percent of the people in the world calling themselves Christian belong to group's that despite secondary differences, share a set of fundamental beliefs. Christianity and Mormanism have different beliefs at the fundamental level, therefore Mormonism is not Christian. An example is Christianity is monotheistic (one God,period)and Mormonism is polytheism. It doesn't get more basic than that, and the fundamental differences go on from there. I have found most LDS know very little reality about the first 60 years of their movement. Don't get too worked up, see you later.

[@darinwinn1640]

@@justinmeasday8930 just saw this. Again stupid reply. If you read this please look up what a Christian is and if you know Justin explain it. Definition: "A Christian is a someone that follows the teachings of Jesus Christ." Justin's arguments becomes more more moronic when he claims it cant be polytheism because when Jesus is defined as a God and his Father is also defined as a God you have more then one God. Thus Christianity as he defines it doesn't meet his own narrow minded definition.

[@TheseOfWe0112]

To hear that Mormon “historians” are in leadership positions at University of Utah is very concerning. That’s the kind of stuff that gives the public reasons to distrust academia. And in this case, justifiably.

[@swamibubba]

im researching mormonism so this is helpful thanks i have my suspicions

[@geraldhenson6521]

Unless you are using the Holy Ghost you will not find your answers. Being a Latter-Day-Saint is a spiritual experience. If you want the truth you must use the true order of prayer: Ask Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, and if you are sincere, you will receive a witness form the Holy Ghost. That's it! Most of these anti-LDS idiots hear something and then repeat it, true or not.

[@Odude11Gaming]

@@geraldhenson6521 after reading your comment I highly recommend watching this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5S4p3ZvqJmJj6M Also, ignoring the truth because it goes against what you believe is just plain ignorant... watch the video

[@swamibubba]

@@geraldhenson6521 i have the holy spirit thanks judge not ok

[@betterleftunsed]

@@geraldhenson6521 "Most of these anti-LDS idiots hear something and then repeat it, true or not." says the person not even TRYING to make an argument based on anything other than a "spiritual experience" the last resource of a religion that has been proven to be untrue by every branch of science. no matter that every religion on the planet has given rise to "true" and "confirming' spiritual experiences to its members. unfortunately for you as the population becomes more educated, members see this tactic for the manipulative mind control that it is. too bad Joseph smith for all his prophecies couldn't see the bearer of his destruction coming: the internet.. (aka. information). it's AMAZING what a just a little bit of education can do. thank Elohim!

[@koltoncrane3099]

Your comment on science and needing proof is funny. Every religion can be deemed false. How does one proof with science or evidence that Christ rose from his tomb and was resurrected? Not one person can attest or proof that. All we have are written stories that also could have been false. So sure the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is easily dismissed as false so agree. But it’s absurd to stop there. What about the next religion and the next? One has to become agnostic or atheist to have piece of mind if needing facts or evidence or needing good doctrine. Just believe in the Bible or the Old Testament or the Koran etc is just as bad as believing Mormonism. Mormons have weird beliefs granted, but from what I’ve seen every religion does and it’s not very settling. I think more people might be better off listening to more practices like karma and mindsets then an actual religion.

[@OneDayCloserToHim]

I am so grateful to Ex- Mormon people for taking the time to reach out to those still lost in Mormonism. Thank you.

[@donalddbagley]

Intelligent. Try being lied to your whole life, and see how you feel. You become grateful for men like Grant Palmer.

[@sandrajones3994]

It would be funny if it weren't so sad that people are so gullible and ignorant.

[@geraldhenson6521]

like reading the Bible only and listening to those fake, phony, frauds you Biblonians call paid preachers.

[@cnnchicago3795]

@@geraldhenson6521 stfu

[@rickdavis2235]

Sandra Jones wrote: " It would be funny if it weren't so sad that people are so gullible and ignorant. " Mormons are the victims in this. They aren't gullible and ignorant. They are lost because the father of lies has deceived them. That's how deceptiion works; you don't know it.

[@scottmarshall4840]

I was raised in a protestant faith until Mormon missionaries found me and baptized me as a young man. I have continued to study other faiths for over thirty years and I have been amazed at all the anti-Mormon materials in print, film and on the internet. I am an inquisitive and practical soul so I have searched out the answers to the multitude of “problems” critics of the Mormon faith have claimed. After considering both sides, I cannot break loose of the Church’s hold on me because of the following reasons. (1) The Mormon Church has instilled in me, and my family a more deep and personal love of my Savior Jesus Christ than I could have reached in any other faith. I have a sure knowledge that He is my Savior and the only One through whom I can be saved. The Book of Mormon has added so much to the wonderful accounts of Him in the New Testament. The testimony and lives of good Mormons have led me to know that they are true followers of Christ. While I have met wonderful Christians in other faiths, none have stronger belief in the Savior than good Mormons. Help me! Where can I find something better? (2) The Mormons taught me that I am a child of God created in His image, and not just His creation. (Genesis 1:26 “And God said Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” The Trinity is The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. Three separate Beings with one purpose. The other faiths taught me that God is one Being with three names, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. And that He is a Spirit without form that fills the whole universe. While this sounds impressive, it would mean that He is only my Creator and not my Father in Heaven. I would be just one of His creations. For example, I can create a beautiful Corvette, and I would love it, but it can never compare with the love I have for my children. I know that my Father in Heaven is my Father in Heaven-and that is much more intimate and personal for me, than to love a Father who is an intangible Spirit - Creator, to whom I am just something He created. The net result is that my children and I have a much more personal relationship with God, and His Son, Jesus Christ. Where can I find something better? (3) Eternal Marriage and families - What an awesome demonstration of the love and Fatherhood of God. Mormons are the only faith that believes that God ordained the family as an Eternal unit. All other faiths teach that marriage ends at death. Because of this belief, Mormon families are the strongest (on average) of any people on Earth. I know from personal experience, that these teachings have helped me and my children to have stronger families in Christ. Where can I find something better? (4) The Church missionary system: The Mormon church offers a chance for my children to voluntarily serve as full time representatives of the Lord for two years. Every Christian religion says it believes Christ’s admonition to “feed My sheep” and share His Word, but, none, not even the Jehovah’s Witnesses have as good a means to make it a positive and life changing experience as the Mormons. I did this myself, and I know from personal experience that nothing can replace the experience, joy and testimony of Jesus Christ I received on my two year mission. I now know why the Bible emphasizes sharing His Word so much. Why do other faiths not promote programs like this for their members? Some offer “mission trips” lasting days or weeks, but this is only a pale shadow of the Mormons two year program. Some faiths have full time missionaries, but their numbers are so small compared to their membership, and they don’t encourage all their youth to go on missions. As many as half of Mormon youth go on missions. I have often said that it is worth being a Mormon just for the blessing of seeing my children have the two year mission experience when they are young. Where can I find something better? (5) The Mormon Health Code - Why don’t other faiths do this? I need help teaching my children to avoid alcohol, tobacco and drugs. All faiths believe the body is a temple, but none have as much success teaching their children to avoid unhealthy habits, as do the Mormons. It would be worth being a Mormon just to avoid the problems of seeing my children and grandchildren suffer from the effects of alcohol and drugs, not to mention tobacco. Where can I find something better? (6) Unpaid Ministry - Mormons don’t have to get paid to share the good news of Jesus Christ. I have always had a problem with ministers who would say, “ Give your money to God, but make the check out to me.” Mormon leaders of congregations (called bishops) have regular jobs. That is how they support themselves and they serve the congregation for free because they love the Lord. Mormons actually provide better support to each member of the congregation than faiths with paid preachers, because of the organization of visiting and home teachers, (also unpaid) that help the bishops check the welfare of every member every month! No other faith comes close to that service for the members, even with paid ministry. Even the two-year missionaries pay their own way. It works great. There is no reason other faiths could not do this too. Why don’t they? I love knowing that when I come to church, that they are glad to see me because they care about me, and not about what donations I might give them. Also, Mormons don’t have collection plates. Giving is personal and private and visitors are treated like guests. You would not invite a friend to dinner and then put a collection plate in his face and say “ Wasn’t that good?” Also, I have investigated the way the Church uses funds and it is inspiring. Where can I find something better? On top of all this, while opponents fuss that that false prophets lead us, the Bible clearly states repeatedly that it is through the Name of Jesus that we are saved. Virtually all other Christians believe that if we accept Christ as our Savior we are saved. By this standard, all Mormons are saved, even if we did have “false” prophets. I must say that if we are to judge prophets by their fruits, then I am really caught in this Mormon trap, because of all the wonderful “fruits” I have personally witnessed over the last thirty years. I could go on and on, but, the bottom line is that because of all the blessings and happiness I have received, I guess I am really stuck being a Mormon. Please help me if you know anything that is better.

[@scottrobertson6949]

Scott, You have expressed very clearly and eloquently -that if God did have a church on the earth you could expect it to resemble 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'. Christ was asked 'What should I do to inherit Eternal Life'? His answer was 1- Love God 2- Love your fellow man. EVERYTHING in the LDS church is about EXCELLING in those two things, correct me if I am wrong? The Angel that Joseph said appeared to him told him that his name would be had 'for Good and Evil' that is certainly come to pass. The current world will never agree on Christ's divinity much less an advocate for him. One thing I know for certain is, that I am a better man because of what Joseph Smith did than if he hadn't have done what he did. Does that make him sent from God or the Devil? Can a Evil tree produce Good fruit? If J.S wasn't a Prophet of Jesus Christ he certainly was a Prophet for Jesus Christ. Let the world judge ;)

[@mawrawmiller561]

Jesus didn't die only for you and your children to be good, He died so that "where I Am there you may be also." If we are to be with Jesus for all eternity, why do we want to be away from Him by being "God of our own planet"? Why would your children want a planet of their own away from you? Make sure you are worshipping the Great I Am.

[@moorek1967]

+Scott Marshall Do you want to know why you are held? Because you have permitted brainwashing from them to you. Let me ask you this, what Jesus do you actually believe in? 1: Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers. 2: Mormons believe Jesus is both the father and the son. 3: If Jesus is both the father and the son, then he would also be the father of satan. 4: Mormons believe there was a mother, so who is the mother of Jesus the father/son and satan? 5: Did Jesus have sex with his own heavenly mother to procreate himself AND satan? Now if you can answer those, let's see if Joseph Smith really were visited by angels, shall we? 1: Smith claimed the ANGELS that visited him were the father and the son. 2: Smith claimed that the ANGELS (father/son and father and son) told him about the Golden Plates. 3: Smith claimed the Golden Plates were written by the father and son Mormon and Moroni. 4: Therefore, the father and the son were Mormon and Moroni, not Yaweh and His Son Jesus Christ. 5: And since the ANGELS were Mormon and Moroni, as two individuals, they were not father/son as there were two and not one. 6: Moroni is an idol on top of the temple. 7: There were no golden plates. 8: Smith claimed to have translated non-existent golden plates from the non-god Mormon/Moroni father and son, not father/son. 9: If Mormon and Moroni are two individuals and a third angel appeared also, which is also a son of Mormon, that means it was satan, as Mormon can only be the father/son/brother of himself and satan. 10: But as satan is a brother of the father/son, that means satan can only be also father/son also. 11:Therefore, as satan is the father/son/brother as well, and appeared to Smith as an angel, it clearly indicates that you, Galatian, have been deceived. Oh foolish Galatian, who hath beguiled you to turn you away from the truth? Know this also, Satan appears as an angel of light, a seducing spirit. No matter how you wish to twist it, you are deceived and you allow your children to be deceived. What kind of father are you to do that to children you claim you love?

[@englishandmoreenglish]

It's funny people leaving the church and not becoming atheist, considering how boring Christianity turns out to be. I was Catholic as a boy, then Satanist (that was cool, believe me), then atheist for 4 years. I felt at the top of my human experience in philosophical terms. Finally I became Christian again and member of the LDS church. I have read the history (alaaat) of the church, served on a mission, served in 3 bishoprics, and currently don't have a calling but just as a financial auditor. I have also listened to this speech and others and I keep firm in what I know. The book of Mormon is true. That's my faith, even if the worthiest people in the church would do awful things or leave the church, I'll be trying to be a better person and keep what I posses in my heart. Maybe that's bcs I'm a solitary person and do not familiarize too much with other people, including church members. My thing is just going to the church, partake of the sacrament, study, learn about the history of the church, and try to serve and be a good citizen and member of my family. But anyways, it would be more fun to be atheist and focus on something that would improve your life productivity, than to be anti-mormon or anti-sometin and do nothing but wasting your time speaking about nothing to not getting absolutely nothing. At least Palmer make some money outtav it.

[@johnlee1352]

Well said Edward!

[@kimberlymannis6021]

My Sister is still in it. I pray that the Lord will open her heart and led her out.

[@worthwithin]

This is very strengthening and encouraging to me. I am almost a year out, but my children are still in.

[@mckster56]

Hello have your children found the truth yet? God bless

[@MichelleLovesJesus]

Jesus wants your heart, not your religion. 🙌🏻💟✝️💟🙌🏻

[@randycrager7163]

I praise the Almighty God for each person I here that comes out of that church brings tears of joy and I thank God for you, each one of you, that have the courage and Faith in Christ to stand up and share your love and faith. I pray that each Mormon member would see the love in the way that you bring and share the evidence of the fraud of Joseph Smith. God will always bring success in your service to the Almighty and Faith in His Son Christ Jesus. I'm still working on my Brother in law and his family. They've done a bang up job on his brain washing but all things are possible with God. I love you all.

[@johnlee1352]

+GodfatherInOhio On behalf of Mormons everywhere, may I congratulate you on your exit from the church 25 years ago. We're always looking to get rid of our deadwood and misfits. You're obviously not strong enough. Thank you for clearing out so we didn't have to do it. Have a nice unaccountable life.

[@11UncleBooker22]

+John Lee fake

[@robertallison107]

+Randy Crager Glad to hear that you understand the myth that is Mormonism. Smith was in EVERY sense a fraud. No one who truly believes the Bible would believe Smith and company....

[@adamgoodword7888]

Amen Randy! I too rejoice and give praise. All of heaven rejoices when people come out of religion and follow Jesus.

[@adamgoodword7888]

Robert, Mormonism is truly based upon "Joseph's Myth". But it astounds me that one man could have such a great impact over the centuries in building up such a false church. God bless you brother!

[@holulu777]

Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool, Mark Twain

[@harlanurwiler7146]

I am not a Mormon, and never was. I learned about Mormonism decades ago in college. And I must say that I've always felt compassion for you people. Gradually, I have met more Mormons in real life who have always impressed me as being very sincere and wholesome people. I find this information very important because it is my hope to educate myself more about what it means to leave the Mormon faith. As a Catholic, I have learned my faith through many reputable and consistent teachers over the years. So the films I've seen produced by the LDS Church in a serious way about Joseph Smith, your founder, are quite entertaining.... but blatantly untrue in their content. The challenge for Christians like myself is knowing "how" to help Mormon friends who genuinely believe they are already in the true church of Jesus Christ. To do this in a spirit of Love and Compassion is not always easy. Patience and prayer are important. I want to encourage your community that just because you leave the LDS Church it does NOT mean other Christians will not accept you. We just need your courage to let us help you, if this is what you desire. God bless!

[@elyssapissa]

Why I know it's all false: Members should have the right to know where their donated money is allocated and for what purposes, but it is cloaked. They also should have the right to seek out information outside Mormon sources. Clergy should be considered mandatory reporters of abuse, but they aren't. The church should NOT have political influences. The church should not be able to get away with business ventures, have connections to the stock market, and maintain its tax exempt, non-profit status. This is a FOR-profit corporation.

[@singabit9807]

"Members should have the right to know where their donated money is allocated and for what purposes, but it is cloaked." Your donations were used as follows: 60% to buy 10 rows of bricks for a church building in Norway, 20% to support a family of an ex-soldier in the US whose government had decided to freeze their wages for a while. 10% were used on travel expenses of a stake president who spent all weekend to support your branch, 10% were put on a savings account for tough times to come (and they are even gaining interest - just as the 10 talents mentioned in the bible). "They also should have the right to seek out information outside Mormon sources." Like watching this video on youtube and reading comments. "Clergy should be considered mandatory reporters of abuse, but they aren't." Church handbook 1, section 17: "Church leaders and members should fulfill all legal obligations to report abuse to civil authorities. In some locations, leaders and teachers who work with children and youth are considered “mandated reporters” and must report abuse to legal authorities. Similarly, in many locations, any person who learns of abuse is required to report it to legal authorities." "The church should NOT have political influences." But Christ is our King. Why not pray for governments to promote peace instead of war? "The church should not be able to get away with business ventures, have connections to the stock market, and maintain its tax exempt, non-profit status." How do you think, the church should build meeting houses and temples, distribute money to the needy, feed the hungry, etc, without being organized like a business? Even the laws require an organisation like a church to account for their monies. If it looks to you like a business - fair enough. I'd rather have some capable people handle that. And do you honestly think it would be fair to have your donation taxed again, after it has already been taxed by you? Do you think the church should not have employees to handle all its undertakings. Should those people not be paid? Should people that travel extensively to run church affairs not be reimbursed for their travel cost? How did the early apostles of Christ live? Did not the other saints care for them, make sure they had accomodation and food? Did the saints not look after the travellers' families and provide for them, while the apostles were away? Do you consider allowance and reimbursement as profit? Another thought: Try to pay out money to those in need, if your pockets are empty. I have seen the church help in many cases that you don't know about, giving freely and without judgement, and without talking about it. "This is a FOR-profit corporation." Yes, and mankind profits! Actually I think the creation of the world was a for-profit, or better for-benefit, untertaking.

[@shaunaellis6619]

The church should never audit their followers over tithings or ask them to bring in tax returns. If their findings show you owe the church money, they will give them a loan with interest. Really? Wake Up 👀 This is wrong.

[@MrNirom1]

I don't care what the church does with the money. That is their stewardship. Mine was to give 1/10th... That's it. And I am blessed because I do that.

[@elyssapissa]

@@MrNirom1 cool bro, maybe go find another commenter to troll with your self-righteous garbage?

[@MrNirom1]

@@elyssapissa LOL I say the way I feel and I have you to call me self-righteous? You left the church... but you just can't leave it alone. Like you have God's word. Thing is... I do have God's word.

[@thetiler]

Grant Palmer is truly a brilliant man ! And he was one of the very best and finest members the LDS church ever had ! They disfellowshipped the wrong guy ! He is a devout believer in Jesus ! I respect him a great deal.

[@thetiler]

Truly one of the greatest orthodox men that has ever been in the church is Grant Palmer. One of the greatest lectures and speeches that I've ever heard. Very impressive and well done! Way to go Grant !!!

[@Questioner365]

The real reason Mormons leave the Church? They can no longer follow Saint'n...

[@teresahopemiller1008]

God bless you for the truth you know. have you noticed the statue down town Salt Lake has his hands reaching out to the bank and back to the temple. ?

[@Josephus-f1o]

My uncle used to say "go sh*t in your hat and pull it over your ears" In other words do not try to BS me. Mormons I'm surprised that farmers fall for it

[@allenbrininstool7558]

Go get them, let's destroy this false cult!

[@stacyritter4527]

I left the LDS church but sadly my family going back to its origin did not

[@johnlee1352]

Your ancestors weep for you.

[@anonymousrequiem8409]

This was the only church I thought was true. Now I don’t find any church to be true.

[@bravesoul7777]

if this is all true it takes 1 hour to realize the church is false

[@andrewandjoanhart7882]

Less than that. Once told that Jesus and Satan were brothers, I laughed so hard I nearly wet myself...!

[@thetiler]

Grant Palmer is one of the greatest LDS type scholars I've ever read. His book Insider's View is brilliant ! it is most logical in a sea of ideas and formations of illogical theories that don't add up ! Grant's book and lectures are truly tipping the scale that the book of mormon is not to be trusted as an ancient book. There's just too much going against it. No hebrew dna in ancient book of mormon so called lands, KJB errors in the BOM. No artifacts in so called BOM lands.

[@kacysimper5142]

I left October of 2021! It has been a hard journey to except you were lied to by people who claim to be followers of Christ. But to know him now and understand Grace is beyond amazing!

[@atonioapikotoa2719]

I'm happy to see some of the people get out from darkness.. Glory be to God.. Thank you Jesus..

[@ruggedlifejewelry]

If you take out everything that is false you really have nothing left "no redeeming features"...even the good deeds the people do is mostly because they feel forced or threatened by losing status etc. My heart bleeds for these people.

[@ruggedlifejewelry]

also to the lady at the end, they are not homophobic. Scripture is scripture.

[@warflowersociety]

Before being baptized as a convert, I was told I had to agree not to question the church. Not a quote, but it was long ago. I remember asking my future spouse who was born into LDS, you never questioned, thought outside the box, even went to another church? I've had biblical experiences will call them since a child. Things irrelevant to me, some that were, and after joining/baptism, they hadn't gone away but I was keeping journals. I was told by an elder, destroy my journals. The bishop, at that area and another, after we'd moved both stated, "Women can not have visions or prophesies for anyone but their children" and husband and so on up. Mine began as a child. I looked at things different, was so devout, more than my spouse and I realized I wasn't hearing the words of God. but interpretations of man/men. I've yet to visit a service of any church and instead of topic of the day via a quote from scripture be the full story. It's only now, long been out of the church, away from, am I reading and looking for info on history and whys. I've never done anything but it is interesting any time I give my name to a missionary at my door over the years, they don't ever return. Not sure why I'm looking up the truth of mormonism today and after all these years. Some of what is taught and I hadn't learned yet were things I'd dreamed years ago even days ago. Not sure why I feel still such a hard time sharing those things, but for now, I keep it most to myself. Don't believe I'm the only one but to answer the question why don't members today have visions, I'm sure they do and it just isn't told to the rest. I don't think they are testimony to LDS being the one true, they're just visions an for probably for more than those of us that do get them. Unlike the words of men.

[@PeterLambert2211]

The speaker is background noise, the real start is mouth noises. Very irritating 😠

[@ClaudiaTNelson]

While it is natural to be angry when we feel we have been deceived, and we have . . . we need to work on forgiving . . . for anger, judgment and criticism, on either side of the argument, disconnects us from the spirit and the help we need to recover. It takes a lot o courage to face the fact we have been living a lie and I admire those who face it and move on. It is a long painful process, I know, and we need all the spiritual help we can get. I am grateful I have moved out of the LDS box, and now having moved past the anger, can be grateful for what I learned while there. I have learned to forgive the deception, and myself for buying into it. This is the truth that sets me free. Anything not done in love is not of God. Anything that is, is of God. I think it is that simple. Paul implies this in 1 Cor.

[@johnlee1352]

+Claudia Nelson On behalf of good Mormons everywhere, let me congratulate you on your exit from the Mormon Church. You saved us the trouble of throwing you out! We're always looking to get rid of the deadwood and misfits anyway. You're too weak and self absorbed to be among us. Have a nice unaccountable life.

[@DaleEJames]

+John Lee Dude relax, we are all Gods children and are entitled to chose our own path. If Claudia feels this way she is entitled. I don't agree with her beliefs but we can all discuss what we believe in a civil manner.

[@johnlee1352]

+Dale James Just congratulating her...is that a problem?

[@robertallison107]

+Claudia Nelson On behalf of the REAL Church of the Living God, I congratulate you on your decision to leave the Mormon myth. I pray that the Christ of the Bible will reign in your heart as you have faith in Him.

[@johnlee1352]

+Robert Allison Nice try...lame ass!

[@krismurphy7711]

Is there a parallel between the Killing of Laban and the Attempt on Gov. Boggs???

[@AngelinaThumbelina8]

31:00 I can sympathize with "being taught to see through the eyes of the mind." in my peak of piousness which was actually quite an amazing time in my life, I perceived angels and I experienced at least two undeniable miracles beyond scientific explanation that to this day, even during this skeptic phase of my life, I will never deny.

[@sarak6860]

I still believe in angels and miracles. It is faith, but not in the LDS church.

[@thetiler]

Grant Palmer is one of the most brilliant authors that has ever been in the church! A great video indeed ! Truthful truly! A very brilliant scholar ! And in- deed one that brings out truth and not fiction! He is headed in the right direction in the fight for truth ! Of course you can't cover the whole book of mormon and get inside Joseph Smith's head and know every detail of his plagiarism. But as Grant stated about 3/4th was done in his own back yard sort of speak!

[@thetiler]

Grant is a brilliant author and will be hearlded and being one of the greatest members of the LDS church very similar to Galileo! Though it might take many years when more and more evidence comes out of the fraudulence of the BOM!

[@cdowis]

thetiler Palmer is no Galileo. His research is flawed, and conclusions are driven by his agenda.

[@thetiler]

Will just have to agree to disagree :^)

[@cdowis]

I am having an issue with my posting. Cannot do a paste. Do a google search on "george cobabe fair" where he give a summary of five reviews on Palmer.

[@thetiler]

I have to say it again. Truly, truly one of the greatest men to have ever graced the doors of the LDS CHURCH ! A GREAT MAN! SPIRITUAL, AND A FOLLOWER OF JESUS IN THE TRUE SENSE OF THE WORD!

[@acr08807]

The talk starts at 5:53.

[@opiniondiscarded6650]

The King Benjamin thing is wild

[@sugarpacketchad]

I have a Traumatic Brain Injury. Mormons took away my freedom and hope. They are so hard to get away from!!!

[@johnlee1352]

...so is your whining...

[@sugarpacketchad]

@@johnlee1352 6 years later I say thanks for your understanding, LOL!!!

[@dash2maa]

Did you left because of JS’s actions or do you know that the gospel is not true?

[@jdshl8423]

The only thing that jumped into and stuck in my head throughout the entire video was 'Wow, Smith was just like Muhammad of Islam, just not as succesful.". These people lacked the strength of character that Jesus Christs had, even to the point of sheer immorality.

[@HelenEk7]

I know! "Angel appearing, saying: - All the others are wrong, please write a book and start a new religion" The resemblance is remarkable..

[@Maisiewuppp]

You are just as bad as all of them. ‘My religion is the best and most true’ etc. You are not getting the point. What do you know about Islam or any other world religion? Monotheism (one God for example as in Judaism) and this idea replaced the worship of many Gods in many different belief systems in that part of the world . Then came Christianity as an iteration in this process of ‘successfulness’ (in some parts of the world). Who are you to say this process stopped with Jesus? It’s only your personal conviction. And to go on about immorality in other religions takes first prize in the hypocrisy competition - think child molesting catholic priests, think grifting evangelical mega churches and the plethora of false prophets multiplying in that particular religious subculture.

[@camillewilliams3185]

Same. Totally same. So many similarities that it's disturbing. I think it hints at the real source - Satan. The founder of the JWs is similar in how he got his "revelation" from an angelic being.

[@Sleepnosis]

He would tell the 14 year olds that if they didn’t let him have his way with them god would be angry at them or that if they did god would be very happy with them. Very similar to the homie up at Waco.

[@jaymanmason2444]

The original Warren Jeffs

[@davehertle]

I have listened to a few of the Exmo discussions to understand better why intelligent folks don't leave a faith group that had deceived them. What I seem to have learned is that if the leadership had any brains they would realize the falsehoods that they perpetrate. But since they don’t, their dishonesty thus defines their character and nature.

[@plume2035]

If a cult adds to Gods' Word, then they believe His Word is not good enough. Must have theirs as well. That is the warning. I only accept the Bible as Gods' Word, not Books of Mormon, Korans and the other add ons . They were written to support the cults beliefs if they couldn't support them from Gods' Word. I worked with a Mormon. He tried teaching me about there being many gods. That is blasphemy and I rejected those false teachings totally.

[@CKR385]

Hey Plume. What does "God's Word" mean to you? Is God behind every letter and word as if he wrote it himself? Is it a prophets writing down what he felt God was revealing to him, both or something else? Please read Genesis 1 specifically verse 26, Genesis 11 and specifically verse 6 and 7, Psalm 82:1-2, Psalm 136:2,3. Can you tell me your interpretation of these scriptures that seem to indicate multiple Gods or others with God who are also referred to as gods? Thank you

[@CKR385]

Plume, I'm not sure you answered my questions. so the bible that mentions plural gods means what to you? If the bible is God's word then what is he saying in the scriptures I mentioned? What do you believe about the other writings and books that the Catholic Church decided not to include in the bible we have today?

[@BAwesomeDesign]

plume2035 The Bible is full of it, too. mormonthink.com/scienceweb.htm#noah

[@vernonmancer4885]

what do you say about the dead sea scrolls add ons? what about the scripture which says . take one stick and write upon it for the house upon it for the house of juda and take another stick and write upon it for the house of ephraime and they shall be one in your hand. what about all the scattered tribes of israel did the lord just forget about them or did he speak to them and if so do you think he would tell them to write what he told them .unlike the rest of the world joseph smith was comanded to write all that he was shown or had revealed to him so that you will have no excuse that it was not given to you all the world can see and read and compare it to the bible wich by the way we also believe in in as far as it is corectly translated the vatican holds the key to all your questions as they have all the lost scriptures in their possetion

[@plume2035]

Well when we die we will all know for sure and if you are right, I will not lose anything as we will cease to exist. If I am right, which is my belief, then I have everything to gain. You may have a lot to lose though and I would prefer not going down that path as you may not appreciate it. But after-all, it would be your decision. I am glad you know for sure and with 100% certainty that God will not be there to meet you upon death. It must have taken you a long time to know everything. That is the only way you could be 100% sure. I will only accept that from people who know everything about everything, as anything less may have missed God. For now, I will take God's Word over that of a mere man who thinks he knows everything. I certainly do not.

[@kennethbailey2616]

We also have the 116 missing pages.

[@alexanderv7702]

Did Joseph Smith Jr get the word Elohim-the Hebrew word for God- from Joshua Seixas?

[@avagage1]

I feel so sorry for mormons the devil has them blinded so that they can't see the truth

[@christophermartin89]

I would be careful saying stuff like that. Many people rejected the prophets of old times saying things like they are mad or they are possessed of a devil. The pharisees and sadducees themselves condemned Christ for working miracles by the devil. They also condemned the apostles of blasphemy and persecuted them. The people of Rome also persecuted the Christians, one of the reasons being that they thought the Christians were a cult because they did ordinances in private. They didn't understand that it was private because it was sacred. Look it up, it's in the history books. You may not believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the true church of Christ, but you better be careful of what you condemn.

[@richardmcginnis5344]

Christopher Martin when i was a kid in primary i did a 2.5 minute talk it was called money is the root of all evil this i did when i was 9 i have been out of the mormon church for 38 years and have never looked back until now when the internet and computer technology can pull the records of the court house in palmyra ny and navoo ill. and anyone can see the truth for them selves there are programs run to take apart the bom and to put it back to the books it came out of or any other plagiarized book for that matter there is nothing here from god it is all by men and nothing more

[@rathelmmc3194]

lewis irvine I feel sorry for you since you think that there's even a devil.

[@NorthStarMystic]

Christopher Martin It's ok for someone to exercise their discernment & express concern over whether a church is true or not. You failed to ask Lewis why he believes what he does - so it's wrong to assume he is avoiding truth for secret reasons, like the pharisees.

[@christophermartin89]

Erin Mackley Well, I'm only human and imperfect, I will of course fail at some things or even many things. Are you a member of the Church or familiar with it? If not I simply invite you to attend a meeting on Sunday and investigate to see for yourself whether the church is lead by the devil or led by God. I can promise you that you will be uplifted and draw closer to God if you have a real intent to seek for the truth. You will feel the Spirit, who is the testator of all truth. I know that God does live and speaks to HIs children and will impart truth to them if they seek. I know Jesus Christ is my Redeemer and died for my sins because He loves me. I know He has restored His Gospel in the last days to prepare for His coming. I simply invite you and anyone who reads this to see for yourself, to read the Book of Mormon which is another testimony of Jesus Christ, and to attend the Church. I testify that it is the Kingdom of God on earth and is lead by the Savior Himself.

[@freelightexpress]

Thanks for sharing this.

[@skyjust828]

What's the difference between disfellowshiped & excommunicated? I left... Wasn't excommunicated until 1997 (or there about?) I didn't know I was "excommunicated" until after my mother died (suicides in her own way) in 2010

[@CosminBoi]

Love this guy. Want his book

[@thetoast144]

5:50 he makes it to pulpit

[@thetiler]

Thomas Furgeson He raised $225,000 for the field work, incorporated the Foundation (being an attorney), assisted in the initial explorations in Central America and Mexico and has actively directed the affairs of the Foundation since its inception." quote from a religious site.

[@utah133]

Here it is, a year later. I wonder if "John Lee" is still trolling, pretending to be a Mormon and being the absolute opposite of what a Christian is said to be like. Or maybe he really is a Mormon, the kind that gives it a black eye! But even if he were a nice person, which he gives no evidence of, he'd still be wrong. Most Mormons actually are nice people, though thoroughly deluded. As are all folks who believe in any religion.

[@2326038]

Oh yea, he's still around, trolling. I tend to believe that, as you wrote "he really is a Mormon, the kind that gives it a black eye!". There are a couple more like him that comes to mind and that's henochparks and Justin ("wise up") Snyder.

[@5kblack]

+rational guy You've just listed the LDS "Three Stooges"....Lee, Justin and Parks.

[@QuillonFrostbane]

The 3 stooges of our time :)

[@ADOTlied]

The rest of the story is the true Church.Its apostolic, one, founded by Christ and 2000 years old (the gates of hell have not prevailed against her Matthew 16-18).Do the math.

[@cestmois9959]

Then why have so many died at the hands of this church? Murder seems satanic to me. Care to elucidate?

[@annedodgson8677]

Who was the publisher of William Law’s diary

[@daniellima2973]

I've left the LDS Church and I much appreciated Palmers book ( may he rest in peace) I'm glad I was able to leave no only Mormonism, but religion and theism behind .

[@elijahjames8837]

Having a very open mind my spiritual path has been that of comparative religion. I have read Hinduism, Buddhism, Muslim, shamanism of Indigenous people around the world. I have also read Christian history, orthodoxy and otherwise and I must say I learned from them all. It is with this open mind I approached The Book of Mormon and I found that not only was it historically inaccurate but more importantly the Spirit of Life was not within it.

[@rayma66]

I have mormon family who has no clue about the lies of mormonism. I need help. Does anyone on here have any suggestions as to how I can reveal things without driving them away from me? They're very sensitive about their beliefs.

[@peaceliberty4all]

What negative things is the church doing to your family that you feel you need to help them? Are they worse people or worse off for being members of the church? In order to share truth with your family you would first have to obtain it yourself. That would require you to do your own research, not simply rely on what others say. And finding truth requires looking at all the info and digging deeper not just reacting to what is found on the surface. There are just as many lies or half truths coming from anti-mormons as are claimed to be coming from the mormons.

[@michaellsworth5766]

Let them live their life, and you live yours. What doesn't serve you, release it to the higher power, and move actively towards things, thoughts, events that do serve you. Feed your soul. You are living your life. Their souls are having their own experiences and it is not up to anyone but themselves to live it, learn from it. Limit your time around them if it is that bad that you think you need help...do not open yourself up to getting hurt or let down or confused or sad.

[@josephsorg]

Start with this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5S0pZuvnrl0bcU

[@MrHFMetz]

After listening to the interview carefully two more times I owe brother Palmer an apology for using the words "revelation from God". Sorry brother, I was too prejudiced. I take your advise in making the Christ as the center of my life.

[@Jbeliski]

Mormon's ask yourself. If gold the size of a brick cannot be lifted with one hand, how much do you think the entire plates weighed which were more than twice this size. It would have been impossible for Joseph Smith to have carried those plates and run from the enemies, as he said. Unless of course, an angel helped he carry it. l-o-l

[@cdowis]

"Mormon's ask yourself. If gold the size of a brick cannot be lifted with one hand, how much do you think the entire plates weighed which were more than twice this size." The answer is really quite simple, your assumptions are incorrect ==>> 1. You are assuming, with your solid brick example, that the plates were a solid block. Actually it was comprised of many thin leaves of metal bound together, and not a solid block. 2. You are assuming that they were pure gold. Actually the witnesses said that the plates "had the appearance of gold". They were made of a gold alloy. The witnesses hefted and handled the plates and said they were about 40-50 pounds. Emma Smith was able to move the plates so that she could do her housekeeping. Joseph Smith was a farm hand, and certainly could handle a 50 pound load. Thanks for asking.

[@Jbeliski]

cdowis I've read about the witnesses. They all said they only saw the plates with their spiritual eyes. What does this even mean. Either they saw them or not. spiritual eyes would imply they did not actually see the plates but only had faith they existed. Do yur research on your own religion if you are to comment on such things.

[@cdowis]

Jbeliski "they only saw the plates with their spiritual eyes." Rather than reading the anti-Mormon version, let's read what they actually said: Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship. And this we bear record with words of soberness, that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. And we give our names unto the world, to witness unto the world that which we have seen. And we lie not, God bearing witness of it. quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mormon/mormon-idx?type=DIV0&byte=3882 Dan Vopgel wrote this in an article about the witnesses of the BOM, and I discussed this on another forum. I asked him several times to document this statement regarding the eight witnesses and he was unable to do so. Basically he said it just made sense that's what happened. IOW, he just made it up. Anyway, you have to decide who is telling the truth..

[@robertrosskopf4641]

Jbeliski It is not known whether the gold plates were pure gold, or a gold alloy. No survey was ever attempted. If they were hammered, and not rolled, then there was probably quite a bit of space between the pages, as they would not fit closely together. I've seen the box where the plates were kept; they couldn't have been as large as the standard description. Perhaps the rings were that large, but the plates themselves had to be much smaller to fit in that box. If memory serves, the box was only 5.5 " thick at its thickest point, with the hinges straining. Then it tapered down to 3.5 to 4". Add that to the fact that Joseph Smith was a tall strong farmer, who challenged many but never lost at wrestling, and it becomes apparent that it was entirely plausible. Only one of the witnesses continually stated that he saw it with his "spiritual" eyes, and there is no indication from his testimony that the experience was imaginary or somehow not real. We can't pretend to know what he saw, but it was enough that he never sought the 10,000 dollar reward that was offered to any witness who would recant. Some of the witnesses held the Book of Mormon on their laps and turned the pages.

[@cdowis]

***** >>t is not known whether the gold plates were pure gold, or a gold alloy. Several individuals who lifted the plates said they weighed between 40-50 pounds. Obviously that was an alloy. >>spiritual eyes You are correct ==>> The three witnesses saw the plates in a vision, but the eight witnesses handled the plates, hefted them, and looked at the engravings. Indeed this "spiritual eyes" account was written by a third party decades later. We don't really know exactly what the witness used those words.

[@Standing.W.Israel]

Wow, this is so neat to see a whole ex-mormon movement!!! I am a Bible-believing, Christ follower and every time I learn about another Mormon doctrine or belief set I am just AMAZED at the level of cognitive dissonance that has to be present in order to believe any of it.

[@johnlee1352]

...oh, I love me a good buzzword! "cognitive dissonance"...it's all the rage among the weak and confused haters.

[@deehee7380]

On April 6, 1840, Orson wrote, “I was appointed, in company with Elder John E. Page, to go on a mission to Jerusalem”. A week later, Orson left for what would be a three year mission. On October 24, 1841, Orson stood on the Mount of Olives and consecrated Palestine for the gathering of Judah in the last days. While Orson was gone, Marinda, “had to live in a little log house whose windows had no glass but in place of which were pieces of greased paper...A little cornmeal and a few groceries were all the provisions remaining to sustain her and the little ones.”. Noting Marinda’s living conditions, Joseph Smith received the following revelation dated December 2, 1841: “Verily thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph. that inasmuch as you have called upon me to know my will concerning my handmaid Nancy Marinda Hyde Behold it is my will that she should have a better place prepared for her than that in which she now lives...and let my handmaid Nancy Marinda Hyde hearken to the counsel of my servant Joseph in all things whatsoever he shall teach unto her...” Marinda soon moved to a better home. In the Spring of 1842 she married Joseph. In Joseph’s diary is a list of his marriages. It includes the entry: “Apr 42 Marinda Johnson to Joseph Smith.”. Eight months later, in December, Orson returned from his mission.

[@peterpiper7441]

What a nice guy that Joe Smith was, eh?

[@michaelparks5669]

+dee hee LIAR

[@deehee7380]

+Michael Parks DUMBASS!

[@realdiamondshow]

I would say it's likely that Joe gave Marinda a nice cuddle.

[@deehee7380]

+John Hylton.....Joe was a pussy getting PIMP!

[@kellietuiono8648]

What was the name of the paper ...Nauvoo?