Exmormons React to Girl Defined | Have They 'Changed' Their Views on Modesty?

[@strangergoat]

I will watch anything reacting to Girl Defined because they just FASCINATE me, and I can't be horrified alone.

[@sarahjeanoneill9006]

my feelings exactly 😂

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

Same here! They're like looking at a massive train wreck. You know you shouldn't look, because they're definitely going to be pulling bodies out of the wreckage at some point, but it's like some force of nature that forces you to watch.

[@mooney9046]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@justanotheranonymousaccoun6365]

I love how they jump from “loss of a sibling” to “sports injuries” in the same sentence 🙄 Their message comes across like, “We get it babe, life is rough - algebra is super duper hard, you always forget your locker combo right before class, your crush totes saw you in your sweaty PE uniform yesterday, your little brother just got killed in an accident, and now sports injuries? Hang in there, girl, God is still your bff✌🏼” It’s amazing how clueless and out of touch with reality they truly are. They’re both way too old to be speaking/acting like they’re 15.

[@feliciascorner9795]

How you doing fellow kids? 🤣

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

LOL! Reading your little high school pep talk example made me literally laugh out loud!

[@juliajaeger8175]

Jordan is absolutely beautiful and she deserves to be shown off! No shame in it! She's a natural beauty! 💖

[@hawkeyescoffee6399]

I am not ashamed to admit that I completely blanked out every word they said after "our parents just made up rules about what we could wear because it was easier than dealing with individual girls who have different needs but let us believe it's was about being modest for Godly reasons and for some reason we assumed that was god's law and decided everyone else had to follow it too. So we took the spiritual abuse we suffered and forced it on everyone else. And we've only just realised we're adults now and don't need to follow our parents rules for teenagers." ... I might be paraphrasing ...just a bit? Idk I was facepalming so hard I think I gave myself a concussion!

[@alixoxo2928]

Exactly, they essentially say that modesty imposed on young girls is just a way to control them using other words. Yet they still don't see it!

[@ringodax12]

Yeah it’s a super clear cut example of a man using god to control the women in his life. The parents literally placed morality on it just because they felt like it.

[@greenjean]

Hear me out, stickers/merch that say “how to eat the rich in a god honoring way” “effing the patriarchy in a god honoring way”… the list goes on

[@alixoxo2928]

The first one I would buy for me and all my friends 😅

[@JordanandMcKay]

Oh that would be perfect

[@tiffanyhowell8444]

dude their subtle passive aggressiveness is so odd, i get the feeling they argue ALL the time behind the scenes lol

[@JordanandMcKay]

The vibe I get.

[@gamere105ek2]

Tiffany Howell I think they just tolerate each other because they’re sisters. I think that their ideology of women having to be nice and sweet all the time no matter what also doesn’t help.

[@floral-smoke]

Omg no I swear they hate each other! Look at the face of whichever one not talking it's hilarious

[@gamere105ek2]

@@floral-smoke Lol yeah they pretty much just tolerate each other because they’re sister’s. Not exactly a normal perfect sibling relationship they have with each other. They should always enjoy being around each other, as normal sister’s do, but you can tell they clearly wish they weren’t related.

[@annabeinglazy5580]

@@gamere105ek2 which makes it even weirder that they forced each other together with this KZbin channel

[@Valerie-life-13]

“On my twisty turny journey” is now the tag line of my life.

[@greenjean]

And maybe the next sticker? 🤔😉

[@jannettb7930]

Yes. Just yes.

[@tinamarie2121]

Valerie, Same. *sigh* HARD same.

[@crazymema23]

I struggled with migraine from my early 20s thru my mid 40s. Leaving mormonism cured my migraines.

[@JordanandMcKay]

It was the Lord healing you to get you to come back!!1!! /s

[@crazymema23]

@@JordanandMcKay hahahaha I am healed having left the stress of proving my worthiness, the guilt of never achieving it, never feeling fulfilled, always in judgement from others as well as god. so destructive. The emotional difficulty now is how I forced myself to be a mormon wife and how destructive that was to our relationship. The second guilt is forcing myself to be a mormon mother to my first three, and not being the mother I wanted to be.

[@R83145]

What confuses me all the time about Girl Defined and other "Christian" channels is how much they actually talk about sex. It's as if sex and temptation is all they think about all the time. And that's where alls this modesty stuff is coming from. I don't think most people experience life this way. Maybe trying to normalize sex a little would be a good first step to stop thinking about it so much.

[@JordanandMcKay]

They would lose their viewership if they did. Once you cure someone of being “sexually broken” (their words not mine), they don’t need you medicine anymore.

[@haileyy_f]

It would be interesting to see issues such as purity culture, modesty, and other Mormon teachings from McKay’s POV. How these types of subjects shaped him as a youth to adult, and how he went about dismantling those thoughts later in life. Being a female, it’s easy for me to see these issues from a female POV and the female POV is what is most widely discussed. It would be eye opening having the discussion from a male perspective.

[@JordanandMcKay]

The immediate victims of patriarchy and purity culture are female presenting people for sure. But it harms everyone.

[@tazmin5020]

I'd love to see this too, it's really great to see a man so open to discussing purity culture and how it impacts women but I'm also very interested in how it impacted him growing.

[@kimgrandy_art_]

But, am I the only one that heard them say basically they based their entire platform on modesty rules they learned from their parents, only to find out their parents just did that to wrangle 5 female children...and they were like....Ooooooohhhhhh...

[@TheMrsarahanne90]

Yea it really seems like they are just like working through something that is probably a pretty big thing for them. They were told that they had to behave and look a certain way in order to be good Christians only to find out it was just a way to deal with having a lot of kids. I could imagine that learning that might really shake at the foundations of what they believe in and how they see the world... maybe I'm looking too into it but I do think that this video is them processing through that... it's honestly surreal.

[@paigewaenke3211]

i get laughing at the migraines thing in her context but also i literally have gone to the hospital multiple times, spent thousands of dollars on treatments and medications and appointments for nothing to help and have to have my medication to even function and live a normal life so it’s definitely not something to take lightly 😩 it’s truly a chronic illness/disability

[@sylbriana5306]

Was thinking the same thing. Until I found a treatment that worked for me my migraines were incredibly disabling as 10-12 days per month I would suddenly be completely incapacitated to the point of needing to carry cards to explain what was happening because I couldn’t speak. Migraines can be no joke. The pain is one thing, pain I can handle. The random grab bag of other neurological symptoms are truely terrifying until you understand what is happening

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

I just came out of a three day bedbound saga, due to migraines, and it ended with me in the hospital where I almost had a panic attack because the doctors were ignoring me and my pain was over the charts. Three hours after receiving an injection for the pain, it came back. Migraines are hell. In the hospital I was asked if I had a job, and I realized that the reason I don't right now are these freaking migraines. It can tear your life apart, create conflict with family members that believe "you are not even trying" or that doctors are making you more sick, create strains with friends that are now uncomfortable because "you are always complaining". Yeah. Migraines are hell.

[@sportluver98]

Migraines are horrible they have gotten better with age but i used to have to throw up and sleep them off and miss so much of my life to them until i went vegan and they were drastically reduced

[@theboywiththedoublex]

I’ve always wanted kids, but if I could give up my fertility in exchange for never having another migraine again I would do it without hesitation.

[@rosefriedman2764]

Yeah I hate when people call their random bad headaches migraines when I've had Hemipalegic migraines are pretty fucking disabling.

[@cnscaevola]

So when I was in private school, our principal changed in 6th grade, so we didn’t get to go to the local amusement park with water section because the principal thought it was inappropriate for the girls to be seen in bathing suits. And he told us so. We always thought it was super creepy that a 60-70s year old man was saying things like that, when our parents were fine with it.

[@t_ylr]

I remember at my Christian middle school girls getting asked to change or sent home if their skirt didn't go over their knees. They were always so hard on the girls and basically blamed them for other people looking at them.

[@lavender5655]

I went to a normal public school and on the last day of 7th grade it was 98 degrees and we spent most of the day at recess. The teachers in the office were asking me to bend over so they could “see how short they look when I’m using my locker” (i had a bottom locker) My shorts were sewn with a fold on the bottom and the principal cut the threads that kept them folded. She accused me of sewing in that fold myself. I had to walk around with them literally one inch longer and then it was fine all of a sudden?? That was a traumatizing memory.

[@kendalbrenneman]

@@lavender5655 jeez. Yeah they give way too much attention to what girls wear. In high school I bought this cute skirt I liked, it was a little tight and maybe knee length. Had palm trees printed on it. But it had a slit up the side and one of my teachers told me I had to see it up if I wanted to wear it. I did, but I hated that THIS was an issue.

[@user-lt1jd1ye3v]

That’s sooo weird

[@user-lt1jd1ye3v]

When I was 13 I went to this creepy “faith camp” (lies) in southern Louisiana and they allowed boys to wear whatever they wanted at the pool but the girls had to wear a one piece or a tshirt over their two piece, basically telling these 13 year old girls it was their fault if boys looked at them.. Psychos 🤣 Also they would scream at you if you didn’t finish the food on your plate lol. Disgusting scarring place

[@divatesteddivaapproved]

Bethany did play basketball and I think Kristen might have played as well. I think they were involved with Awana at their church. Bethany is really competitive, so she probably should have stuck with sports to channel her competitiveness in a positive way. Instead she quit playing sports and now tries to one up her siblings are very twist and turn. Kristen goes wedding dress shopping and Bethany buys a dress. Kristen struggles with infertility, Bethany gets pregnant 30 seconds after getting married and announces it before the pee stick dried. Ellissa gets engaged/married and Bethany keeps reposting photos from her own engagement and wedding. Kristen adopts two children. Bethany posts all about her birth with Davey. Ellissa gets pregnant and Bethany posts photos on Instagram that pretty much letting the cat out of the bag before the couple could post it for themselves. It has to be all about Bethany. ALL. THE. FREAKING. TIME.

[@JordanandMcKay]

I can’t imagine their relationship behind closed doors is a positive thing.

[@toomuchsci-fi]

It's the new version of "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!"

[@gamere105ek2]

@@JordanandMcKay I can’t imagine Bethany’s husband is any safer with her either.

[@annadau8612]

I used to read Girl Defined's blog religiously while I was a Christian teenage girl and it influenced how I viewed modesty, purity and relationships with young men. I finally stopped reading it after I felt so much shame and guilt and now am happily married to a Christian man who loves God and to analyze and break down the commonly accepted beliefs held by the Christian church nowadays. I currently have very mixed feelings about the blog now. 😬

[@Anna-lv2ow]

They mentioned that they should ask themselves “why am I looking down on this person”, hmm...this reminds of when they rudely called out Brenda from God us Grey at one of their conferences and said that because she doesn’t believe the way they do that she wasn’t a Christian. Hypocrisy I think.

[@MotleytheKitty]

Being hypocritical is the Christian way 😂 especially when they have no awareness of their hypocrisy

[@StephanieMRM]

i do like that Bethany recognized the fact that some of modesty is performance/virtue signaling and even when you've come to a conclusion that you are comfortable with for yourself you still are burdened with others' judgement

[@JoshGone]

Also god must role his eyes every time he gets prayers about what I should wear or what color to dye my hair. 🤣😂

[@actingqween]

Funny how they are willing to "die on the hill" over the LGBTQ+ issues, even though it's literally not a "Gospel issue", and was literally never mentioned by Jesus at all.

[@CK-mq1tb]

I just think we need to stop belittling people’s incurable chronic illnesses bc our end goal is quality of lives for ourselves versus birthing a baby. This happens in reproductive/gyn health clinics, too. Chronic incurable pain/illness = welp, too bad, here’s the pill. Infertility = ohmygod we will do everything we can. They are not the same thing, but they should be treated equitably. Suffering is suffering. And caring for your own body and quality of life should be valued. Whatever your health goals or challenges. Producing a child is not more noble than other pursuits. It matters to that individual deeply. Just like illness and getting as well as possible matters to another individual deeply. We put down non-pregnancy pursuing people so much and it’s very, very sad.

[@shannonquinn]

"Land the f***ing plane!!!" is absolutely priceless! I will be stealing this from you and using it frequently. 🤣 Found your channel a few days ago and have been binge-watching ever since. Love your videos!

[@deannedrewry3425]

Also, the scrunchy is how you tell then apart 😂

[@CheeseCake5990]

Can we talk about minutes 25-27? I think it is HUGE they recognized that it is prideful to try to police people's choices when it's not laid out explicitly in Scripture what counts as modest clothing and what doesn't. I have an issue talking to a lot of Evangelicals who kinda think whatever their interpretation of the Bible is is THE only way to interpret it. I've described that attitude and behavior as prideful for several months now. It's a tiny step in the right direction IMO for Girl Defined to have that level of self awareness about how they practice their beliefs.

[@MJLANCSSpring]

Migraine can be pretty bad. I have experienced daily symptoms for 20 years despite the best efforts of some very good specialists. I wear special contact lenses to help me cope with light sensitivity and struggle to find foods that don't trigger me. I don't go more than an hour of my waking day without doing something to manage my condition so I can keep functioning. I'm an extreme case, but I've met two people with similar levels of disability, not including my father (I take after him). I did struggle with fertility stuff too. Migraines definitely have impacted my life more.

[@MJLANCSSpring]

I'm not calling y'all out or anything, btw. These ladies are toxic and y'all are cool. It's just helpful to point out that there's migraine, then there's chronic migraine, then there's treatment resistant migraine and not everyone knows! I'm so glad you found relief (and I definitely encourage anyone with them to get a good neurologist and compassionate pain management because even cases like mine can recover a lot of their quality of life with patient effort)

[@-MaryPoppins-]

Your laughs are so contagious, I couldn’t quite hear what you were saying while I was in another room, and heard you guys laugh, and started laughing too 😩🤣 thank you❤️😂

[@msj5492]

I read this right as Jordan laughed and I couldn't help but join in!

[@MariaStanica]

Love it when you point out how freaking illogical and toxic Girl Defined is. Also, I hate it when they said that there should be different clothing/modesty rules because different people have different body types. Like, I'm sorry? If someone is curvier they can't wear a shirt that someone with fewer curves can wear and vice versa? It subscribes to the super annoying thing in our society where clothing is overly sexualized on people with bigger boobs, bigger butts, etc. - including clothing that is typically considered modest like t-shirts, jeans, etc.

[@rwilk7731]

Have you guys ever talked about the one girls husband and how they met when she was 22 and he was 16 (aka what i consider grooming)? I’d be interested to hear y’alls perspective on that weird dynamic that i feel like i keep seeing with christian women and their younger SOs

[@JordanandMcKay]

We learned this literally yesterday. We were shocked and disgusted to say the least.

[@cashwalk7253]

Wait, what, seriously??

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

What?!

[@urboisammy2323]

Ew what

[@jglobetrotter2830]

Fun fact, the same Greek word typically translated as “modesty” when referring to women IS used to for men/gender neutral- but when it’s not referring specifically to women it typically gets translated as “humility.” 🤔 I wonder why.

[@HiHoBeezersAway_Pondue]

In the words of Jean-Ralphio (Parks and Rec) they’re “the woooooooooorst!”. You two are awesome!

[@JordanandMcKay]

YES love me some jean ralphio!

[@_Usakoi_]

Found you guys because of the Gabby Petito case and you've been coming up in my recommended ever since. You've made me laugh so many times in just five minutes that I just had to hit the sub button.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Awe! Thank you so much! We are so glad you're here!

[@lauralearns]

Even “Thou shall not kill” can be vague. Some use it when talking about abortion, killing animals, etc. Always vague, the Bible. Great video!

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

And what about "when you disrespect your brother you killed him in your heart"? It's too much.

[@amde8554]

@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 a lot of the Bible was written to be hyperbolic which is why when people take the Bible “literally” actually don’t

[@kiterafrey]

Name 1 video without any dislike - any video with 0 views. 😂😂

[@Allison_Leigh]

Having both infertility and extreme migraines, for me the migraines are actually way more life ruining than infertility. But that's a personal thing and I have only ever wanted to adopt if able. So in that way they kind of go hand in hand as my crap health makes the prospect of adoption less viable. But also if you're facing miscarriage after miscarriage I would never think to say to you, "yeah I get that, I have migraines". Lol. I think they were just saying they're both struggling with different things and I actually appreciate they're not looking down their nose at a maybe less devastating problem but seemingly supporting each other where they're both having issues. So while it sounded funny I think it's probably a good sign they do actually care about each other even though they often look ready to slap the other. 😋 I still don't condone their messaging but that part wasn't as bad as it sounded I think.

[@jojol.2630]

I’ve had a 24/7 headache for three years now. I can’t think of a way to relate this to the video except for bethanys migraines. Everything hurts all the time. Help.

[@leahswenson7776]

I grow up in a very strict household and I had this crap shoved down my throat. I went crazy as a teen. Now that I'm all grown up and have a teenager daughter of my own i am very careful about not having to many rules.

[@sarahclayton5845]

Why do I feel like they actually hate each other but Bethany is too full of herself to realize that Christen hates her, while Christen is fully aware of the mutual hatred and is constantly tao seconds away from snapping.

[@mst3kharris]

“Taking you into our thoughts.” May I just say there is a disturbing amount of room in their thoughts.

[@mayadavis1375]

I have been bingeing your videos for the last few weeks - so glad you're back! Y'all are awesome

[@JordanandMcKay]

Thank you! We are glad to hear it!

[@maddi4075]

For the heart you can get an echocardiogram which is an ultrasound for the heart--I've had one every year since I was born because of my heart disease. This is my future career so McKay when you mentioned it, I just thought I would clarify. You can also do an MRI but an echocardiogram is what you do primarily to look at the heart. :) Love you guys!

[@zoelhaines227]

The rip in the jeans 🤭 it’s at the thigh too !! 🤣🤣

[@FighterUnitHopeless]

If you two ever do a book, can you promote it in a Girl Defined parody video?

[@JordanandMcKay]

Absolutely 😂

[@perpetuallylate8091]

"Thou shalt wearest the boobie shirt, Amen" -God

[@JordanandMcKay]

lmaooooo

[@Rebakes]

They seem awfully proud of their spiritual humility.

[@415carlton]

Dont worry you two. We've all been going through phases being away/ off from the internet. You're good, but welcome back!

[@sweetpeachbellini8245]

I remember taking a boo through YT one day because I was feeling a little blue and needed some laughs. I found a GD video where they were talking about going thrifting. One of them (honestly, idk which one) was thrilled to find a pair of pumps in a size that would fit her Size 10 feet. They actually ended up finding about 4 or more pairs and gleefully grabbed them to show their Mum. So the three of them were admiring the shoes and when a sales clerk passed by, they had to ask him how come the shop never had shoes this big before. He replied in a very deadpanned manner: 'Oh yeah, we had a guy come in who's drag performer and he was donating last years designer heels before he went and bought new ones." and the dude walked away. Well apparently that so disgusted them that they took the pumps back to where they found them BY THE HEEL!!! The look on their faces was absolutely priceless. I guess they're not looking for their CFMP's in thrift stores any more lmao!

[@msj5492]

I am so happy you two are back, I hope you are both doing ok physically and mentally! If you REALLY want to see a shameless absolutely gross plug, Kristian's unboxing of the book with her adopted children is the grossest fundie thing I have seen in a long LONG time. Someone posted it on redit and it's so exploitative.

[@mimiw-harms9848]

My dad told me he would take the entire family on a vacation and leave me behind if I didn't shave my legs. I told him, have fun on vacation, I'll see you when you get back. No man or woman will ever control what I do with my body.

[@actuallyadog_]

It’s great to have you back! I’m glad to see you have more or less recovered from the past few weeks. I’d love to see you react to “toxic positivity,” the kind you talked about when you mentioned the tattoo lady. Thanks!!

[@deannedrewry3425]

How what's her face (green shirt) looks at her during the book promo 😂😂 she could not be more uninterested in what she is saying 🤦😂

[@jordanblack8015]

One thing I appreciate about your channel and that you don’t do is that almost all vloggers and family vloggers is that they start off saying “Sorry- [insert physical self deprecating line]” and then they go about their video. Like why do us females have to start a blog and say sorry for my hair, sorry for my skin, sorry for my glasses, sorry for my shirt matching the color of my background. And then worst of all their kids hear and see them apologizing to the world on how they look and so how will any child grow up with any self esteem if they have to immediately apologize for how they look.

[@JordanandMcKay]

YES. I really make a point of not doing this because I have noticed that too! No apologizing necessary! I'm just me lol

[@jordanblack8015]

@@JordanandMcKay you have no idea how much it means to me to not have to sit through a start of a video watching a beautiful women apologize for something usually ridiculous about how she looks or dresses and makes me so sad for than all the young you tubers who do this as it’s a norm.

[@mlaperle]

“Talk to my husband about my application of modesty” omg get out of here! Love your channel. Super crazy idea - create a series on how to love yourself and pursue passions after the brainwashing of Christian purity culture. Love your videos keep up the good work !

[@caitlynbradford6120]

nice to see you guys!! hi jordan and hi mckay!!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Almost there!

[@ToEKnee213]

Trauma Olympics 💀🤣

[@Lenci_of_Hazelnut]

Something that really bothers me about Christianity lately (which I'm currently deconstructing) is that it really sounds like they are saying, "Just follow your conscience, but make sure you call it the Holy Spirit to make it valid because everything needs to be about God and not about your wicked heart."

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

"Also make this ammends to your conscience, because this couple of things you believe are actually beliefs from your wicked heart. Trust us, we know".

[@rachelbowlow9925]

That’s what it is! I couldnt figure out what exactly bothered me about those conversations and that’s what it is. Christians are just guessing and calling it god.

[@kmasse81]

Exactly this! I see every Christian doing this. The Bible is so ambiguous (especially the NT) most people can make scripture fit their personal character and beliefs, say they prayed on it and God told them they were correct. It's how you get disagreements on even the big things like young earth and old earth creationists.

[@cherryleafy101]

Their entire video is vapid word-salad spoken at a nightmare pace. No wonder their views are down.

[@wildflower7381]

Anyone else want to yell, “take a breathe, slow down, it’s okay” through the screen to Girl Defined. They talk like a million mph and honestly it gives me anxiety like something bad will happen.

[@curlsindaclouds]

Your transition music is soooo nice, love y’all’s content. Found y’all recently with the GP case and still rockin! *subscribes

[@EmmaAndEmmaAndEmma]

Won’t speak to how hard infertility vs. migraines are since I haven’t experienced either (although I have friends whose migraines are absolutely crippling, so I think it’s fair to say both those experiences are terrible). But when you deep dive more into their book, it’s the Kristen’s infertility vs. Bethany’s oh-no-I-bought-a-wedding-dress-before-I-was-even-courting-and-didn’t-end-up-using-it that does it for me. 💀

[@cashwalk7253]

…are you serious…?

[@EmmaAndEmmaAndEmma]

@@cashwalk7253 I wish I wasn't but YUP!!! I can't think of any KZbinrs that have covered it but r/fundiesnarkuncensored has covered it extensively in the past with excerpts.

[@petermj]

just started the video, but so glad y’all are back!! missed your faces in my subscription box ♥️

[@sarahisbell1918]

“Modesty really does reflect......something!”

[@Anna-lv2ow]

I wonder if Kristin and Bethany realize that when the Bible talks about modesty it was talking about not flaunting your wealth. It wasn’t about whether women should or should not wear bikinis.

[@nikkimclay5474]

its 4am in New Zealand just listening to you two laugh 😂😂

[@MrsMeowMeowWoof]

We need another KZbinr UFC fight but it's just Bethany versus Kristin

[@riossloth]

Not to defend their views, but chronic pain and infertility can definitely be talked about together. Both can be debilitating and make your life feel less worthwhile to live. Chronic pain is even worse for some because kids aren’t necessary for life but the ability to get up and go to work regularly is.

[@junetunes3797]

I honestly don't have anything specific to comment, I'm just super happy to be here, enjoying your content!

[@karas3101]

The promo... Girl Defined's Only Fans! - two girls in singlets and cut off shorts - X-rated. I definitely get the feeling they don't enjoy each other's company. Welcome back you two!! Missed your faces!

[@zinatarata]

The fact that they were saying that their parents needed black and white rules because they couldn't adjust to body type, I'm going to guess that is them saying that girls with more curves have to wear more modest clothing than those with less.

[@lilys7431]

I think young humans should wear what makes them comfortable and confident. My sweetie is fairly conservative (Yup I like a challenge 😂). Every once in a while he looses his wits and mentions something may be too short or too low cut! Most of the time I laugh and say you’ve met me right? Mom has dementia and still gets pissed off if I try to choose her outfits. 😂 I swear it’s like they are following rules set up by old white men rather than divinely inspired. 😉

[@angeldream1]

Jordan I love how you laughed when she said JEE SUSS I laugh every time too I love it I love your channel u guys are the best

[@angeldream1]

Or maybe jee zuss I’m not sure

[@ANNtique]

“ a fucking toga” I laughed so so hard

[@JordanandMcKay]

Simpler times I guess.

[@jennifer_moss]

Was so happy when I got this notification! Excited that you're back ❤

[@eggybaconbits]

I'm happy to see you guys back again!! I think its interesting to hear them say they've changed and things changed but like... aren't Christians all about how God's word doesn't change? Or is that just Mormons? Or just my hometown? Lol either way, I couldn't care less about their opinions on modesty, ima wear whatever I want whenever I want.

[@chrissym4130]

Glad to see you guys back!

[@natalierose13]

I said yay with you too lol. I’ve been slowly but steadily watching every single video you guys have done, I’m not part of any organized religion but I still really enjoyed hearing what you guys have to say.

[@JordanandMcKay]

thank you for being here!

[@amyholloway8612]

Is it weird that I have a crush on both of you?!?! I was baptized as an adult and one side of my family is LDS. I so appreciate the information you have provided to your viewers so they can make the most informed decions possible.

[@amyholloway8612]

I will add that I'm no longer LDS

[@G625-s1c]

it’s so frustrating that “modesty” is synonymous with “sexual modesty” when it really has so many definitions. being modest means not showing off or bragging and it also means not displaying wealth or being flashy. it’s kind of a synonym for being humble in those definitions. in the actual bible verse that everyone cites about modesty, that’s what it sounds like it’s referring to to me. that people shouldn’t wear clothes and hairstyles to show off their wealth, so in modern times that would mean not wearing designer brands or doing things like massive $1000+ hauls on youtube and bragging about how much money you spend. jesus was a socialist, dammit!

[@Claire-ui8gr]

I missed you guys! I was so happy to see you guys post again!

[@lizbetpcb3759]

All they had to do was refer people to Ben Shapiro’s sister’s video on dressing modestly. I have to admit she does it well; certainly better than these two. Yes, it’s not saying much. She’s self righteous and obnoxious, but definitely owns it! Okay, back to the video ☺️

[@olliesGiGi]

My favorite apostates! This video cracked me up. I really needed a lighthearted funny video and this was perfect. Well beside the fact that these girls really annoy me ;) I've missed you two! Almost 20k!!! You guys rock!

[@teiganlinklater7442]

I dont think I have laughed harder in any of your videos haha! "twisty turny journey" 😂😂😂😂

[@JordanandMcKay]

LOL thank you!!

[@LizbetPCB]

I’ve missed you two sweethearts! I read the title and immediately thought ‘absolutely not!’ Now I’m gonna watch it and see if I was right (or wrong). Jordan, your hair looks great. McKay, were you a ginger earlier in life, or is that just the way your camera picks up the color? Maybe it’s my iPad. Welcome back 👏🏻

[@JordanandMcKay]

My hair hasn’t ever been red, but there could be a bit of strawberry. Who knows!

[@agirly1503]

@@JordanandMcKay it looks lovely 🍓 today!

[@amandashannon3166]

It felt like they were talking on a loop and never made their point . I like dressing up on Halloween

[@rebeccab-b1175]

Welcome back! I hope you had a restful-restorative break!

[@no-lh8be]

ever since you said the jenna marbles comment i can’t unsee it. thats jenna marbles.

[@pffox]

Can we just teach our children that how they look is not a value of their worth? How they dress or do their hair is not a value of their worth. I have two daughters and I tell them every day that they are beautiful. This isn't dependent on what they are wearing, it's because they are intelligent, funny, kind, awesome little people and how they choose to express themselves on the outside is kind of cool, but irrelevent. My girls don't worry about their looks and I feel like this is ever increasingly important in the social media world that we live in (guys, keep your kids away from social media!).

[@homeydoodle]

I have to buy the book now to find out about how she worked through hyper extending her knee during a soccer game in high-school. 😑 TF

[@MaddiReneeBeauty]

That is absolutely the universal bail bond font, I am cackling

[@AMFibers]

I haven't watched the video yet, but wanted to pop in and say that both of your hair looks amazing in this video. 😊

[@mothrasdaughter]

As soon as I heard "BITCH it is not your job" I instantly hit subscribe. You two are great

[@rosebud7233]

Good to see you guys! I’ve missed you

[@amsen95]

The fact that yoga pants were fine for BYU but not leggings is so funny…. The whole point is for your butt to look good, idk anyone who is looking at the knees down 😂

[@natalieclausel6334]

I agree with McKay, the idea of “honoring God” via your clothing is SO weird to me. Like wtf

[@JordanandMcKay]

Like god created Adam and Eve and they were naked. Wouldn't the nude be "god honoring'?

[@natalieclausel6334]

@@JordanandMcKay Omg good point

[@amsen95]

Not allowed to be naked anymore! We ate the no no fruit and no more boobies allowed!! 😂

[@imzoeybrie]

What fascinates me more than just Girl Defined alone is the people who follow and support them. Where I live, the youth leader here is friends with Kristen and Bethany and so she constantly supports all their books and I've even found their books in my own home, bought by other family members. It's just wild to have a close up look at who actually likes their content and shares similar beliefs.

[@lesley8655]

missed you guys!!

[@lesley8655]

also I think there’s an extra “a” in the title 😁

[@JordanandMcKay]

Good catch 😌

[@bisanti7543]

Missed you guys! So happy to see this in my inbox.

[@gilianaadams4296]

Yay you’re back! This video was well worth the wait! Hope you enjoyed your break❤️

[@mariahbarr123]

I think what frustrates me so much about them is just how fucking CLOSE they get to getting the point sometimes. Like the bit at 30:00 where she talks about whether or not she’s doing something because she ACTUALLY thinks it’s right vs what her culture expects of her… SO. FUCKING. CLOSE.

[@yuppers530]

Hahahaha at the infertility and migraine struggles being on the same level. Struggled with both of those things... Infertility and the process of shooting myself up with hormones and having eggs sucked out of me for IVF was wayyyyyyy worse.

[@firebird5265]

Their sports injury is a bruised ego

[@allyandtysmom9410]

So glad you’re back!!