Expeditions | A Mudrunner Game - My Closing thoughts

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Expeditions | A Mudrunner Game - My Closing thoughts on this game
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[@kadeemeiland]

As someone who has never played any of the Spintires games and only recently started looking into them, Expeditions probably speaks to me the most because I like rock crawling and off-roading but DON'T like hauling. The big trucks are something I don't care about AT ALL and it sucks because I can see how Snowrunner is the better game, but I feel that Expeditions is way more oriented to what i want to do. Hauling loads in big trucks is not what I'm looking for.

[@kingarthursims]

Ah - that is good to know. I still play it here and there. But I do prefer SR over it by a lot.

[@michaelschneider1365]

@@kingarthursimswhy what’s the difference. I’m probably skipping it and just waiting for the new game.

[@anthonyduffy6953]

Im not into trucks at all, and it took a while for me to get it, but now im hooked on snowrunner and hauling heavy trailers.

[@theoriginalzinng]

As a guy who put probably 100 hours into expeditions and has over 1000 into snowrunner: The good: The driving characteristics and vehicle weight was top notch, the strategy behind what vehicles and equipment to take was fun and engaging. Using certain crew that give you the ability to scout further with things or have more supplies or get airdrops with your drone was super handy for some missions. Tire pressure and the ability to release the winch out was top notch. The bad: Unfortunately the missions became repetitive fast and the mini games were awful and completely unnecessary (now skippable with the update thankfully). The menus are wonky (less so since the free update but it’s still pretty bad). Control scheme coming from a snowrunner player was absolutely awful but mudrunner and even spintires weren’t the same either. Replayability is extremely low with no hard mode or multiplayer. I don’t see myself finding reasons to do random pieces of the game over again… ever. Bugs were high in the beginning which is to be expected somewhat but it felt like they just didn’t have time to include good features early on which felt extremely lazy. Like no photo mode in a game that’s frankly gorgeous… cmon (it’s there now of course but it wasn’t) In summary, it felt rushed and half cooked up with quite a few really good ideas and excellent driving characteristics. I think the single greatest thing that killed it though is it’s not snowrunner. It’s not a spintires game or a mudrunner game or even a snowrunner game. If you play it with the mindset that none of the previous series of game ever existed it’s not a bad game, in fact it can be pretty fun. By the 3rd or 4th iteration of the bug fixes and feature additions it CAN be enjoyable to play and my guess is it will improve over time, but putting that little “a mudrunner game” at the end of the title completely wrecked their chances of success imo. It needed to be its own thing because that’s what it actually is… an exploration strategy based off-road crawler simulator.

[@thegotlandisfarmer8774]

This game it’s for those that like scouting in Snowrunner, but I play Snowrunner for the off-road trucking

[@alnbon2940]

Hauling cargo is where it’s at.

[@kingarthursims]

I like both, but yeah, Here you just scout to scout - In Snowrunner and Mudrunner and Spintires, you scout to find tasks and trucks and then put them to use, so we have part of the missing formula there.

[@zebez83]

Biggest issue for me is the mission structure. What makes snowrunner great is having tons of vehicles all over the map doing stuff and the persistency.

[@nosplayssims1553]

Not having multiplayer hurt it's playtime with me and my circle of friends. That was a mistake

[@neobaggins3718]

My hope for Snowrunner's sequel was more world permanence. More opportunities for the player to change the map, and the potential for the game world to change the map back. I know Expeditions isn't a true sequel, but one of the main issues I have with it is that it has even less permanence than Snowrunner. Leave a region in SR, all the little boulders and dead trees reset, the muddy ruts you dug across a field driving half a dozen loaded trucks across it disappear magically, the world is dead and empty, no signs of life, just a map frozen in time aside from the missions you've completed that make minor changes here and there. But if you left a truck, trailer, cargo, etc. at least that persists. I want the Snowrunner sequel to do away with regions and loading screens. One massive map for each destination. I want to see it span built up cities, to the run down, storm torn, rural areas. I want a reason to choose a fast highway hauler to handle logistics to the edge of the map, then switch to my off road capable but slower trucks for the last leg. I want to be able to clear road blockages with a scout with a special frame add on that adds to the point system allowing me to delete boulders, tree limbs, trees, etc. I want aggregate, dump trucks and plow attachments. If I had a fleet of massive trucks and had a contract to move a dozen trips worth of materials across a washed out, partially flooded road, the first thing I'd do is take a dump truck and lay down a few loads of gravel over the worst parts to make the passage easier. If this would make the game too easy, then add an RNG weather system, where if you're not in an area, a storm can come through and reset your progress potentially.

[@agentelvis81]

Yesssss there is so much potential with Snowrunner for more realism and immersion. Some of the mud and rock slides should happen randomly or something, like right after you pass an area, a mudslide blocks it and you must find a new route :)

[@agentelvis81]

Water levels rise a bit when it rains, the lowland flooded areas increasingly become more flooded the longer you are on a map, so there is some real-time pressure you must race against.

[@NProvince]

I honestly wanted to be excited for it when it came out, but upon playing it; i just knew it would fall off after the initial hype. The mini games, menuing, and overall having to search for 200 some upgrade locations and other things just wasnt really what I was looking for. SnowRunner Feels like you're impacting the rebuilding of civilizations. Expeditions felt like I was just trying to "catch em all" (Collect trucks, upgrades) and drive to a location for another mini game.

[@brownechr]

I found that Expeditions was very frustrating at first, things weren't properly explained despite an entire tutorial map and requirements for various tasks were missing until you got to the starting point, but once I got my head around the idea of planning the expedition, incorporating other tasks into the expedition and working with limited resources, as well as the improvements to the job descriptions that were added I started to really enjoy the game. The new map is very enjoyable, I wish there was more to do on it.

[@killswitchvigil]

Kanab Creek was never going to be part of the Year 1 Pass, that is false information. It was always going to be a free update.

[@Jimmyzapata193]

The answer I think would be, maps maps maps, and more trucks!

[@Smokejumper90]

Expeditions was my gateway to Snowrunner. I'd heard about SR in the past but it was too intimidating to me as someone who'd never played anything similar before. That said, now that I'm into SR I haven't really bothered to complete Expeditions. I agree with what you and others have said about some nice features, but on the whole it's less fulfilling. As a gateway game though, it did its job. Great video!

[@kingarthursims]

Glad to hear you are enjoying SR - I love how they just keep making great content for it too!

[@CDubya.82]

I love it. Wish the devs would give the bugs more attention but otherwise I appreciate that's it's not just Showrunner 2.

[@nfsfanAndrew]

Game looked like a test bed for features from the beginning to me

[@thedefinitive6296]

That was my impression. I didn't bother playing it. It just seemed like a play test for stuff they were thinking of doing with the next major title in the franchise. I wasn't interested especially for the price they were asking.

[@zonnetjeschijnt]

7:30 you can change some of the controls to make them closer to SR’s. Especially to quickly change gear with the L1 button (PS5).

[@SkywalkFPV]

How about the new cave biomes, great addition to the genre, Amethyst mining, new co-op, cross platform, best physics, best graphics, archeology, photography, camping, more tools ect.. I do not like big trucks there are many truck sims already, also dislike hauling logs or beams that clutter the whole screen, I do like the compact atv true jeep terrain driving - More updates can do magic!

[@kingarthursims]

Looking forward to the updates to see where it ends up for sure.

[@codykinney7590]

I played snowrunner a few years ago and didnt care for it as i dont care at all about bigrig or most heavy type trucks. I did enjoy the trailer aspect but the mods made snowrunner good for me. Because i used a lot of scout vehicle mods to get around. It got old using a heavy truck that takes 40 minutes to travel what i can do in like 8 with a mod. Same stands for this game honestly but i love the exploration aspect of this game and how you uncover dino bones and stuff thats cool. All in all i enjoyed both games but wish i had a game with a mix of both. The developers are clearly talented and have huge potential so i look forward to seeing where it goes

[@janbartos7889]

I thik that the main problem Is that people can't understad that this isnt snowrunner

[@kingarthursims]

No, I think the main problem is that the new control scheme and menu system absolutely suck. Besides that the game is pretty good.

[@wbaldwin666]

The rock crawling is a great divergence from former games, tire pressure became so much more important than winch and diff. However its not as immersive as snowrunner even though its a fresh difference in game play. That difference isnt enough to overcome its missions

[@kieranmcmahon1745]

Before anyone even played the game, people weren't in to it. So, I think the premise of the game put people off, big time. We had told, and are still telling, the devs "No More Useless Scouts!" For years. And we get a whole game based on scouts. No cranes, beds, unique recovery vehicles, add on combinations. All they had to do was take SnowRunner and improve on the stuff we all spent years feeding back on. Not break a solid formula that people enjoyed in their droves. Once the game came out, people then started to realise specifics like menus and controls.

[@phatnslim]

I live it menu sucks and some corks but overall the caves bud its awsome . The tire sim is awesome. And i would love to join you in co op

[@FurryButBald]

Huge fan of snowrunner (even though i thiught i wouldnt like it). Really looking forward to roadcraft

[@Bloodreav3r]

The Cargo Hauling is the best Part of Snowrunner, thats missing sadly

[@MrPuddinJones]

expeditions should have been a DLC for snowrunner..... overhauling snowrunner to implement the new features in to the existing snowrunner base goodness

[@ericktremblay3336]

totally agree.

[@agentelvis81]

Yeah, they should have just implemented some end-game Scouting mission stuff to Snowrunner as a DLC instead of this stand-alone attempt. There's plenty of the SR map left unexplored most of the time after working through a region that could have been utilized with some new scout content. There are times when I wish there were a few more scout missions in certain regions as it is, it's a nice change of pace after slogging through mud with something big.

[@MrCorgh]

Devs took the worst part of Snowrunner and made a whole game around it.

[@davidfontdevilarobles1505]

Really? I never played Snowrunner nor Muddrunner so playing expeditions was fun as a first contact, are the other games better? Like cuz better mechanics???

[@garrettmiles8195]

But in turn are making roadcraft the other side of snowrunner. They've just split snowrunner into two genres

[@garrettmiles8195]

The other games are fun. They're a lot more contract based like you have a map full of things you have to complete and you drive bigger trucks to go from point A to point b. Resource planning is a big thing. It's patience road building, the planning ahead and driving big trucks​@@davidfontdevilarobles1505

[@jthompson6189]

Yup, my thoughts exactly. They should have made game that instead entirely focuses on the best part of their game, big trucks and deliveries. Make an outdoor trucking game where your in the bush more. Think American truck simulator, but on haul roads. That would have been a huge success

[@dcutbi001]

I agree that the new menu, controlls, and the lack of a garages were the major hurdles that I ultimately couldn't overcome, and that's coming from someone that loves the idea of scouting. I would have also liked to have seen some hauling missions from Snowrunner, but maybe a lighter version. No logging comes to mind, but still have other hauling missions through the mud and over rocky terrain.

[@kingarthursims]

Yup - I still play it from time to time and am making my way through, but its just not great.

[@juniorstrader1608]

It's a fun game I think coop is now live so fun

[@zigzag5805]

I did buy it . I did try it . I did give it one week . And I did take the game out the console . Never to go back in again . Just a diehard SNOWRUNNER FAN

[@Gracefulwarrior2124]

The way its most easily visualized to me, is if you have, for example, the foundation of a building (aka the game engine), and you build the structure, support, and everything in between, if you later try to expand the building, (aka new features,) the entire base has to be expanded, and it is far, far harder to do with every expansion because you need to tack on or even change your foundation each time, and it takes a lot of time and money for something that may be negligable of a reward. TLDR/moral of the story: with how developed a game snowrunner has become, the cost and difficulty of expanding it leads to little reward for new features

[@kingarthursims]

Very good point!

[@Delewiewien]

Well, I really like Expeditions, this feels like the first game in the series in which the scouts really have purpose.

[@tuckersautter1832]

Need more mods and content lets just wait it out and trust the process. Its a good concept!

[@kingarthursims]

Agreed.

[@bradleyg1192]

Always love your content. Been watching for years now (just rarely comment on anything on YT). Your comparison to Star Wars Episode 1 was perfect. I had EVERY intention on buying this game and was really looking forward to it, but right off the bat, seeing a dozen people play it, i just lost all enthusiasm. And like you said, Snowrunner's new season and the future season are likely going to be better than Expeditions. The downfall of Exp. gives me 'New Hope' for the reason of the SR year 4 pass. Hopefully they'll make some good scouting additions that satisfy that side of these games.

[@Epic_Badger69]

I love this game but, yeah it needs a little snow runner love. Maybe they can add a few small towns or oil refineries, mines, logging camps, etc, for hauling stuff. There isn't a real sense of purpose for driving in the middle of nowhere.

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

It's a cheap cash grab. I've been playing SnowRunner for 5 solid years, and I still play it. I finished the Exp campaign in about 60 days, and I haven't touched it since. Saber got Greedy, I could go Into more detail. 🤷‍♂️

[@gregorybliss882]

Vehicles drove very well, terrain/environment looked and behaved very well also. Don't care for the mission structure. The default paint schemes on vehicles is horrible. Some of the customizations make vehicles look like cartoon cars/trucks.

[@themanwithnoname1839]

I agree, orange a blue trucks with cartoon images on them? What are the drivers? 20 year olds? Genuinely not knocking them but it looks like some shit that came out of fortnite

[@wmgthilgen]

This game is as it's stated a mile wide but only an inch deep.

[@michaelschneider1365]

They focused on the new game which will be the best of all 3 games combined

[@jphillips123]

Why didn't they work on what is wrong with Snowrunner(quality of life improvements - like a compass) instead of making and releasing this game in the state it's in? Seems like nothing more than a cashgrab. Maybe they make it into a good game in the future, but I doubt it,

[@joshuacade7196]

I agree with almost everything you said. I am VERY disappointed in this game. I have played for a couple of hours and I am very underwhelmed, where as I have a couple of hundred hours in snowrunner. Great video. Thanks for posting this.

[@pcplayermalc]

I think the game is visually stunning, the audio on the other hand, it terrible!!! Did they get a 6 year old to design the engine sounds? Totally agree with you on the controls, why did they change the basic control group? But I enjoyed playing the game, but you're right, it was an absolute bomb for views both on my channel and others that I have watched it on. I think the only way this game can be saved is with multi-player, I'm sure you could have a lot of fun with others on this game.

[@dredogin]

Interesting take to the game and how it was laid out. I was never a fan of it from the start. I said maybe in the future. With out Multi and different lay out of keys and UI can be frustrating. Also the fact u cant shift nah for me. I don't think anyone in my community bought it. Out of 150 one person bought it. 17 on snowrunner and i bought it on Epic cause it come out there first.

[@dredogin]

Just looked up steam Db on Snowrunner is 6k people playing compared to 171 on Expeditions thats 3%

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

​@dredogin hopefully Saber learns their lesson from this failure and makes an actual mudrunner sequel next. They removed so many features from SR to Exp I guarantee the game cost MILLIONS less for them to design. They got greedy, and now they're paying for it. 👏

[@jjorma666]

I think just maps are bad, they are just so bad... in snowrunner you can drive pretty much "freely" on everywhere but at this game you need to go only certain route to get to yuour point. At Arizona example everytime you need to go on top of those rock hills you need to go around this hill and go up on back side and that happen every freaking rock hill if you want to go up. not single time yuo can go "easyly" up. and that same happen on every other maps. driving on those maps is made so freaking hard that fustrate atleast me. It is fun at start yes but when that happen on all time without easy parts ever and that is just so bad... in Carpathians you have little freedom but only on first map... all three other maps are like only one route to go everywhere.

[@HaulinAzzzovs]

I’m one of those guys that loves the “trucking” aspect of snowrunner. A “scouting only” game never interested me; I knew after watching it’s first promo trailer that it’d be a hard pass from me. I don’t even really want to watch content about it tbh. When Expeditions came out, my youtube feed got bombarded with new content from a bunch of Snowrunner guys that I was subbed to. Didn’t watch ‘em, and I actually unsubbed from a lot of people over it. I do hope designing that game gave Saber useful data for Snowrunner’s physics engine though. And I’d love it if they got the hint & released fewer scouts going forward.

[@cairusdumas1306]

I got the switch version yesterday digital words can’t describe how disappointed I was and how mad I was when wasted $54

[@kingarthursims]

ouch - can you refund it?

[@cairusdumas1306]

@ definitely just to lazy to call and wait for them to refund it

[@SonicboominOnEm]

I like the game personally. I just hope they re release the Rezvani Hercules on here.

[@kingarthursims]

or the new tank - Love it.

[@pittbulldawg93]

I think they wanted to try to do something different with snowrunner but didn't want to stop developing snowrunner because its obvious that it's dlc is still doing well on Xbox for example i see its season passes on sale all the time i honestly think they wanted this game to be so much more but missed the mark similar to the production DLC for FS it had goo intentions but completely missed the mark....

[@Steve30x]

They changed things far too much. I love snowrunner too but expeditions just couldn't get me into the game.

[@justanotherdave4835]

Its the lack of multiplayer, no permanence in the map, cool their are missions but let me get them from the map or bases. The controls being just close enough to piss you off. playing it I have had this thought of have this be a map intro like do for the arizona do the 1800's sedona region and after you do all the unlocks and stuff on it show a timelapse to modern times and boom its now a snowrunner map and have it be optional or a requirement to unlock each map in hardcore. Its cool but it all seems like a tech demo or we are still in the beta vertical slice of a game that this will eventually be part of.

[@jamest9223]

The game was interesting at first, but i got bored with it fairly quick. The years playing snowrunner may probably hurt the game too.

[@jafsterlordbib]

expeditions is gorgeous.. thats about the only good thing I can say about it

[@kingarthursims]

I still enjoy it here and there as I like RC rock crawling. But Roadcraft is looking a lot more like Snowrunner on the 'greatness" scale

[@patrickh4540]

As a player with tons of hours in Mudrunner and Snowrunner, I must say that I was sceptic on the idea of this game. Just scouting around a bit just doesn't justify a stand alone game imo. Proved to be right, after the initial excitement on the usual YT channels it dissappeared into oblivion. Pretty much like the Dakar game couple of years ago. Devs should focus more on i.e. adding new missions on existing maps in Snowrunner.

[@stevenmillner2547]

This game in itself should have just been a massive DLC for Snowrunner instead of a stand alone game. It's just lacking and doesn't feel like it's part of the series at all. I get it's a different type of game, but there is a reason you should stick to your roots. I only put 10 hours into it and haven't touched it since March 9th and probably won't again unless it has majors changes. I'm also one of the ones that got the season pass and am ticked that something I paid for my end up being useless. -Cameo

[@calumlittle9828]

Is has to have started off as a dlc. It has so fewer features than snowrunner. Really greedy devs clearly.

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

​@@calumlittle9828I could point out SO many ways this game was cheaper than SR to develop. They spent MILLIONS less on Exp, and it shows. Could not agree more. They got greedy.

[@badpritt3845]

Challenging = Fun. Tedious = Boring.

[@darkridearts]

This game is ok. It’s tough to follow up a world class game like Snowrunner tho

[@kingarthursims]

agreed. Looking forward to the new roadworks itteration. Seems a bit more "snowrunnerish"

[@MG3887Griff]

To be fair the main issue with the devs is that they aren't giving their games the quality of life improvements that are needed so desperately

[@hrd4mud]

Finally tried expeditions because was on sale. 1 the map resetting is horrible design choice I will not play any more of their games if they continue with that system 2 why did they change the controls and maps menues, snowrunner worked great why change it 3 very few trucks and almost all of them are strait from snowrunner. I could see a few copies but 90% of the very few trucks are just strait from snowrunner with new paints. 4. I spent 4 hours unlocking a truck I made some mistakes my bad but was hard to get then I see it’s just unlocked to purchase not my truck. I have to buy it for 300,000. 5. The whole truck limit expedition system I do not like. If I make a mistake in snowrunner I hope over to another truck go rescue it. Or sometimes I get mad hope to another map play another mission or two calm down then go back. I can’t with this game. I feel they broke what made snowrunner so great. I could get on board with scouting missions fewer trucks etc but fix the maps fox the menu and controls back to what worked and make the maps persistent let me stop a mission leave my truck there and go later. It’s like they took hard mode settings for standard game and I don’t like that I like having a lot of money having one of every single truck and a couple of my favs. I’ve played 25 hours and have to sell the mods on one truck to equip another, let alone can’t afford the trucks I’ve unlocked.

[@kingarthursims]

Very good points!

[@blatendcrude7570]

Now they have two different franchises, two sources of income. Instead of just a successor.

[@kingarthursims]

I am very excited about the Roadworks game.

[@zonnetjeschijnt]

Saber should just quickly come up with a real SR sequel.

[@trictracx]

For me the scale is off. Walking would basically be the best option for pretty much all mission. Why bother with the car if you can just hike over there in a few minutes. Watching a car struggle over obstactles when I could just walk past isn't satisfying. Like in this video - a group of casual senior hikers would have overtaken you easily.

[@kingarthursims]

I love the "casual senior hikers " 😂

[@brandoncomeault6465]

i dropped the series at snowrunner coundent stand what they did to the series he never should have left and screwed over oovee they HAD a great this with spintires, mudrunner was ok but between that and what the dev did to those guys over at oovee they dont deserve my monies

[@RazzRG]

The series is just to much milked. Snow was the peak. Expedition is good. It's it's own thing. tho as it's own game not connected to the rest of the spintiers family it's a grade game.

[@Hutto478]

To me it looked boring to me in the previews... I played mud runner and I heated it! Snow runner was/far better to me then mud runner and looks better than this.

[@galaxygamer247]

I play expeditions but I can’t afford internet

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

There is still no multi-player available for the game so you're not missing anything special.

[@juniorstrader1608]

Freezes on console

[@zonnetjeschijnt]

It’s a pity that some people are so negative about expeditions. Personally I really liked it, although imho The Carpathians region is much better than Arizona. And you should view the game as a Mudrunner sequel, not as a Snowrunner sequel.

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

It is nothing like Mudrunner. Wtf are you talking about dude 😂

[@zonnetjeschijnt]

@@DeenanTheKemon1 do you want a meaningful discussion or just an exchange of insults? Similarities with MR - smaller maps - more focus on scouting - more focus on discovering the base stations - (almost) no cargo hauling

[@2sik_UK]

This game sucks honestly, goofy style of game, idk just off, hopefully the next game is nothing like this

[@calumlittle9828]

Did the devs keep working on snowrunner dlc to make more cash and just leave the making of this game to the interns and diversity hires?

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

'Emotional Support TeddyBear Sticker'.. only sticker available at the start of the game. I think you may be onto something there 🤔