Expensive wine is for suckers

[@gabrielfraser2109]

But if I buy the $6 wine, how will people know that I'm better than them?

[@TheSecondVersion]

Old joke about wealth and status in post-Soviet Russia: "Look at this Rolex watch, I bought it for $500." "You got ripped off. I know a place that sells it for $1000."

[@lilsaam]

Buy the really expensive bottle one time, then refill it with cheap wine. Problem solved

[@crisdlcruz145]

Whiskey?

[@Eddpig23]

@@grimjawx1650 cause people value the price they paid, not the product itself, that is what the whole video on wine is about....

[@robertchmielecki2580]

@@grimjawx1650 Because the joke is about people who want to show off how much money they spend, not get the best value for their money.

[@Xerofenity]

As with essentially all alcohols, the only good wine is wine you like to drink. And the only good way to drink it is the way you want to. Everything else is vanity.

[@puffin51]

Absolutely. Liquor prices, generally, are affected by a logarithmic increase of price over quality. Ever-smaller increases in quality cost ever-greater amounts of money. You can see the same general trend in cars, houses, and other consumer products. There are such things as faulty wines, and there's certainly some real rough ones, mostly sold by the demijohn, but even commercial box wines are almost always perfectly sound. And after that, it's only a matter of taste.

[@ziglaus]

Is it though? Is it the same with food? Or art? Is quality subjective? I like cold cheap pizza, but i'm not gonna claim its good. I think you gotta diferentiate between personal subjective experience and collectively agreed upon reality. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a cheap wine, or junk food, or the latest GoT season, but you have to be aware of the fact that those are objectively poor products.

[@nairabee245]

ziglaus he doesn’t mean the only good wine is the one you like to drink just because it’s ur preference🤦🏾‍♀️ he means to YOU. If u like cold pizza you can claim it’s good because it’s good to you. Op was talking about how your own subjective preference is the only thing that matters on what and how you enjoy what you like and your going on a rant about objective quality when it was never even the point of his comment. Also cheap wine isnt correlations with objective inferior quality as the video shows repeatedly. People just like being snobby about it. Because they change their “objective” ratings depending on the label without knowing its he exact same wine. Or contradict themselves in countless other ways when trying to give an objective quality rating to the wine. Anyways, the op obviously don’t mean your subjective preference is supposed to be everybody else’s new objective standard. That’s absurd and makes no sense, so ur tangent was kind of unnecessary tbh.

[@froschiplays2827]

CPT Fields not true. Expensive alcoholics like whiskey or some vodka brands are just distilled way better and use finer resources.. For red wine it’s the age and location of the crop that can make a huge difference

[@gnomeskejs]

Not entirely. There is a clear difference in quality and taste between, say, whiskey, if you pick the cheapest, and middle to high end. However, at some point you reach a threshold where you just pay for the brand.

[@andresil8330]

True Story: a guy I know who sells wines had one particular wine stuck in his stock a long time because no one was buying it(8$ a bottle). He then raised the price 3x more expensive and he sold everything in a blink of an eye. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@deadeyeduncan5022]

Yeah that's a good trick, especially if you aren't planning to have a great reputation in the future.

[@Red_Salmond]

@@deadeyeduncan5022 lol What reputation? Any restaurant selling wine make like 400% on the wine.

[@bsarioz]

@@deadeyeduncan5022 but the wine is so subjective that even if you pay a lot of money and don't like it, you could easily delude yourself into thinking it's just not your kind of wine.

[@lela2216]

I believe it!

[@andresil8330]

Deadeye Duncan I don’t think what he did was bad. He said the wine was very good but got stuck because people were not realizing it’s quality. After he changed the price, it changed the client’s perception of the value of the wine. We buy many things knowing that we are not paying a fair price. Take the Apple products as example...

[@Joseph-mw2rl]

Me after tasting $1600 wine: *hmm yes tastes like bankruptcy*

[@connaghananthony]

This made me laugh out loud 🤣🤣🤣

[@manas6429]

😂😂😂

[@namanjoshi1477]

😂😂👌👌

[@wutangmaster019]

only if you cant afford it!

[@LARULES100]

Hmm.Taste like 5 dolkar wine

[@TrooperMine]

the "same grape" doesnt mean anything when it comes to wine production tho

[@kencharm2909]

Not only that, but those three bottles, one is from Napa, one is from the Central Coast, and one if from Chile. Terroir, even to untrained pallets makes a huge difference.

[@elektrik_exekutioner6822]

@@kencharm2909 Terroir isn't actually that important. Wine is mostly defined by the production process itself.

[@sentimentalbloke185]

Nope. Wine is made in the vineyard. Terroir is all. Any winemaker will tell you that. There's no magic "transformative" process that alters the character of the fruit, only winemaking that's either sympathetic to the fruit's flavour profile, or it isn't.

[@elektrik_exekutioner6822]

@@sentimentalbloke185 Also, while things like acidity or body are related to the micro-climate of the vineyard (=terroir) the fruit flavour of the wine is not affected or defined by that at all. Stop spreading nonsense.

[@sentimentalbloke185]

You've obviously never met a winemaker in your life, buddy. You're the one spreading nonsense. Terroir refers to every aspect of the vineyard position not just its climate (& micro-climate). Go talk to a Burgundian about terroir & clone selection. Wine is made in the vineyard.

[@AsellusPrimus]

"This wine is gross." "That was the $50 one-" "AAH MYESSSS *smack smack* earthy undertine, hint of acidity, an overture of sweetness, complex myess.."

[@phieyl7105]

I love you

[@onyxgaudmusic7353]

Lol.....

[@nikhilisatitagain]

" I'm glad I have a cheap taste, it makes my life easier "

[@Driveright698]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@ssssSTopmotion]

The for subtitles

[@marioadiu3171]

Kermit has joined the chat*

[@minimars3696]

You're great! This is exactly what this video is about.

[@User-ck8pm]

Yeah we all watched the video

[@NotoriousHKyle]

I work for a wine company. This is 100% accurate lol. Also, most expensive wines are rated highly by sommeliers because they have very complex flavors, and unless you're a wine "expert", that rarely equals better taste. $15-$20 range is perfect for most people. Drink what you like, not what's more expensive!

[@zeta1593]

Never spend more than 10 euros for wine

[@mygrandma1368]

You're fired.

[@jacob9540]

$15-20 range is still perfect for me and there is a lot of quality to be had in that range. However, I recently tried a glass from a $250 bottle of Napa Valley 2014 Syrah and was blown away by it. It was very noticeable to me the difference in quality. Doesn’t mean the cheaper stuff is bad, but I think most people can tell the difference between cheap and expensive

[@connordickerson6815]

@@jacob9540 did you know the price before drinking as that can heavily affect the perception of a food or drink? When experts cant be distinguished from random people who like a drink I'm inclined to believe its its mostly pompous nonsense.

[@diodelvino3048]

Correct if me im wrong but i've been working with wines for a few years now and i havent been afraid to try ANYTHING whatsoever but after trying so many wines from so many price points i came to the conclusion that After ~$30-$50 price point , wine becomes less about the quality of the wine and more about the Region, Brand and rarity (because of the process its made) + The demand of it from marketing. There's so many $20-$25 dollar bottles ive enjoyed WAY more than some $60 - $70 bottles i bought. Theres ALOT of snobs in the Wine biz who try to push certain narratives that just arent true.

[@andrei-qx4tc]

“Expensive wines may actually taste better after all, as long as you know that they're expensive".

[@sonnguyenquang442]

Maybe taste worse after all too

[@minimars3696]

@Steve Nunez Yes. Taste and grape together make about the 10% of the price(you can't sell juice instead of wine right?), winmaker ‐ 90%.

[@minimars3696]

@Steve Nunez Well, you're right. Even so I think people should not chase pleasures. If you can be content with wine for 5 dollars then it's easier for you to live. I personally do not drink alcohol at all because that is a very strong drug that can lead to dire consequences.

[@mstelios4259]

That's true for everything in life.

[@OppoRancisis]

Mmm, I can taste the Jackson’s.

[@Pokemonzeldabro]

“I’ll have your $8-est bottle of wine.” - Jake Peralta from B99 after realizing the most expensive bottle of wine was $1600

[@bulb_blub]

Title of your sex tape

[@muj9611]

Title of OUR sex tape

[@mrcrapsalot6043]

@@muj9611 r/unexpectedcommunism

[@NoahGongwon]

coo coo coo coo coo coo coo

[@alkamamgain]

Doug Judy ( his best friend)

[@MrWIWARD]

Wines aren‘t necessarily more expensive because they are tastier. They increase in price because of production costs. Maybe the grapes are hand picked, or it‘s a rare grape, that only grows on certain soil, maybe it‘s just a small scale production and therefore more expensive. All these factors make a wine vary in price, but not necessarily influence the quality of the taste. And at the end of the day: taste will always be subjective.

[@NickHunter]

price tag isn't subjective tho is it

[@nairabee245]

MrWIWARD plus as the research they showed in the video states, people often disagreed with their own subjective judgements on the exact same wine for....reasons I guess. I think it’s safe it say these people are making this up as they go along🤷🏾‍♀️

[@sophia4740]

But what is the point in raising the production costs of a food if it doesn’t make it taste better.

[@ataraxia2894]

Sophia it tastes better to some people and if those people pay more for that flavor, so be it.

[@o.o9709]

@@NickHunter this neither gives nor take away anything from what the guy said

[@rockandrolltacos]

Another episode on: “I didn’t need to know this, but cool anyway.”

[@minimars3696]

Well, actually this you should have known in the first place. The importance of this is amazing! It shows that lables can change the way people percieve things. Not only wine.

[@minimars3696]

Also that is how the whole advertisment system works. By labling I mean.

[@Striker50_]

This information just saved people thousands of $$$ over their lifetimes

[@wolfieinthecity8096]

Quaranthingzzz

[@grahambunton377]

Wine experts nearly always refuse to taste a wine without knowing what's on the label for fear of looking foolish and possibly losing their well-paid cushy job. I live in SW France and can buy wine direct from the cooperative for 1.20€ a litre [bring your own bottles] It is a very drinkable wine but for my birthday I splash out on their "superior" red wine at 1.45€ a litre. A votre sante!!!

[@03Venture]

Graham Bunton : Smart!!

[@itsmederek1]

Okay but on average we don't pay what you pay for the same wine cuz marketing and shipping costs and also anything from SW France is widely considered to be main culprit of overpriced wine despite it's lesser quality in blind tasting competitions IN FRANCE compared to regions in similar climates like Napa Valley or Chile.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)

[@christianbrown7959]

@@itsmederek1 True, I work in the industry in Chile, most of our wines are Superior to either French or US wine, yet the prices are always very low. My advice, don't check the prices, check the D.O (denomination of origin), the variety, the vintage (to check how long the wine has been on the bottle) and lastly, the ageing time and where was the wine aged, French oak barrel? American oak? What kind of wood was used if at all. Also, Cabernet Sauvignon is the absolute worst variety to drink on it's own, its way too strong and complex, specially if it is a young Cab like that 120 Santa Rita bottle.

[@elektrik_exekutioner6822]

In that case these "wine experts" aren't experts, they're just snobs. An expert who actually knows a thing or two about wine would definitely try to challenge himself by tasting a wine he knows nothing about.

[@dimaermolenko98]

You're wrong my friend. I also live in France and I also already bought wine from the producteur...pomerol for 150euro per 32 l. I wasn't really pleased but it's a awesome wine for the price. Nowdays a lot of wine tastings are done blind...because the experts are aware of this problem. Also I think you oversimplified the subject here. Of course there are myriads of cheap and good wine's especially in France. Here you have a good choice of quality and variety but that doesn't mean that cheap wine is better than expensive one. It also depends on the ways the wine is produced. I think you agree that a wine for which the grapes are selected by Hand willbe more expensive than a wine made by a cooperative Wich doesn't really care Mitch for the quality and has maybe really low benchmarks for their wine's. I tried lots of different wi es and I tend to buy wine around 10 euros a bottle depending on the appellation because it's easier to get something really good like this. You think you dring good wine there for 1.25...good for you but there are different tastes and different desires. A votre santé !

[@AntiMessiah2023]

So wine is similar to modern art.

[@aayushnepal5223]

Why aren't you up? This post should have more likes.

[@qhsperson]

I agree with you, so I gave AM an upvote. Now here's one for you, too.

[@datng4483]

yes.

[@Koeras16]

Always was^^ sad isn´t it? some wines are better than other tough, but that has nothing to do with the price.

[@kaglekoa]

That's right! lol

[@hellbach8879]

What I learnt: Get cheap wine, put in expencive bottle, profit

[@michael-cv9wd]

don't you have to buy the "expensive bottle as well" or do you just buy one expensive bottle and reuse it?

[@manictiger]

You can do something even crazier... Tap water in an expensive bottle. Penn and Teller did an experiment on that, iirc. If it's 10 cents to make and distribute per bottle and they go for 6 bucks, that's 6000% ROI!

[@democratictotalitariansoci1462]

you could even mix that wine with vodka and make the ultimate lady killer

[@jeezluigi1609]

hahahahahaha no no no

[@dhruvsrinivasan8558]

"FIGI water"

[@AnGelo-nv1hx]

Portuguese wines, which are generally quite cheap, perform very well in blind tastings. I always assumed that judges can't be suitable when they know which wine they are tasting. This is the proof.

[@skullmunch3922]

And this kids,is how Apple has so many sales.

[@eganplaysMC]

Lol so true tho

[@angelmacias9943]

lol

[@lizard_enjoyer]

+Dami Nooki you clearly dont play video games

[@lizard_enjoyer]

Nothin wrong with that

[@ipoomini]

+SkullMunch392 have you ever for once in your life thought, they might prefer iOS? typical fandroid

[@MJH211]

For work we were taken out to dinner in NYC and the trader who brought us ordered a bottle of macetta (excuse my spelling) which was around $10k followed by a $3000 bottle of port and honestly It was a great wine and its quality was definitely noticeable but I would have preferred a bonus check.

[@tombombadilofficial]

I'd prefer coke and hoes.

[@viviane86zq]

What do you do lol

[@MJH211]

I was a phone clerk in the crude oil pit on the floor of the NYMEX before electronic trading started and it was still open outcry. I used to take orders from companies looking to buy or sell Crude oil futures.

[@ALegitimateYoutuber]

But did you know the price before you tried, or knowing anything about the wine you drank. Other then this glass has wine in it and this one does as well. Because that altered how you tasted it, most likely. Then again i guess it doesn't matter. Since wine tasting is 100% bullshit, since it all comes down to personal preference and ones only views of the win.

[@sethrhow4814]

Have you even gone wine tasting? Or you watched a youtube video and now you're an expert.

[@RilianSharp]

expensive stuff tends to taste bad to me in part because I'm disgusted by the price.

[@Ulizos-u4n]

Well, you're Texan...

[@RilianSharp]

Raúl Bátiz No, I'm not. But what does that have to do with it?

[@scorpioninpink]

Unless it is offered to me for free

[@barrymoss9776]

I guess you must really hate New York strip steaks and only like hamburgers because you're disgusted by the price of a steak?

[@JANKOLLPLAYZFX]

Also your expectations going up.

[@chronometa]

This probably happens in every industry. I Hangout in the audiophile space and they go through the same thing lol.

[@cldreyer1756]

that's why I have an expensive wine bottle and I just funnel cheep wine into it when for whenever I have important company, all they see and taste is a 3/4 full bottle of expensive wine

[@cldreyer1756]

labobo hasn't happened yet, once they recognized the fancy bottle as one they'd had a few times and noted how it tasted weird but I just shrugged it away and said "really I don't taste anything" and though he still looked confused he didn't say anything else, I did switch to a different cheep wine after that

[@cldreyer1756]

***** hasen't come up yet most of the people we know know that we don't finish entire bottles of wine in one siting, but then again most know its cheep wine and we just bring out a fresh bottle of that, this is only for fancy meal situations

[@CribNotes]

Gnosis Hilarious! But be careful who's coming to dinner. That trick wouldn't work on me. I taste new wines every week. With rare exceptions, price equals quality.

[@CribNotes]

Sach966 The findings are too broad brushed to be taken as any form of gospel. I make my living selling wine table side. To be sure, there are many people who write for wine magazines who have no clue what they're tasting so these so-called "wine experts" were outed by their own incompetence in the study. What I do for customers is recommend top values in any price range. I also cold read the guests to decipher the depth of their wine experience and preferences so I can match them with a wine more likely to please their individual taste at their level of wine education. This gets pretty easy after 20 years of practice. No doubt, the world of wine is mostly bullshit. But like the subjective world of modern art, just because there's a lot of bullshit in the galleries does not mean there is no such thing as true modern art. So I'm not fooled by labels or pricing. Someone may have me taste a wine blind and ask me what I think. The basic non-geek response will be something like, "If this wine is under $50 it's a great value. But if it's over $100 it's a ripoff."

[@CribNotes]

Sach966 The title of the video should be: "Expensive wines are for suckers unless you like expensive wines and have no problem affording them".

[@empireoftruth3291]

I'm far too intelligent to drink. I just inject pure alcohol directly into my veins. I get that it sounds painful and absurd, but it's something you develop a pallet for.

[@ayiniseasilyamused9215]

Empire of Truth obviously not intelligent enough for the word palate.

[@ghostofuchiha3807]

You do know that you can die of injecting too much of fluids except for your own blood directly into your veins?

[@kristupasantanavicius9093]

Salem Baron He takes out some of his blood, mixes it with alcohol and then injects his blood back into his veins.

[@thecfbutcher1174]

Ayin Is EasilyAmused Amused the is always one that feels the need, this time it's Ayin. zzzzzzzzzz

[@xxBONGHUNTER420xx]

Ken m is that you ?

[@ramilioverduzco]

The important thing is that the wine gets you drunk without making you blind.

[@dbonomo123]

Absolutely correct !

[@94fleetwood49]

What drink makes you blind? You must be a very weak person.

[@thomas.thomas]

blind?

[@nexus1g]

It's from a time during prohibition and backyard distilling when there would be wood alcohol going around. It'd make you blind.

[@685941abc]

I brew my own moonshine, wine, mead and beer and i can still see 😛

[@8stormy5]

Reminds me of the story of Grey Goose vodka, where some aspiring entrepreneur realized there wasn't a "French" vodka, so they made a regular old vodka in France, called it "French vodka", and charged twice market price for it. Marketing really does work

[@leekazuya1305]

i am too poor to drink wine, so i drink water and pretend its wine.

[@Ar9132]

+Lee Kazuya Thats what jesus did.

[@Utuberd0]

+Arlheen Rodriguez hey if it's good enough for jesus, its good enough for me.

[@Anonyhouse]

+Lee Kazuya You can get a box of cheap shit by the gallon for like $5

[@MJW238]

I pretend my wife's a supermodel. Really increases the enjoyment.

[@Utuberd0]

I pretend that your wife's supermodel too.

[@notdanny562]

*Buys $8 Wine* *Buys and puts it in $48 Wine* Stonks

[@ssssSTopmotion]

Saw the same comment with 2k likes

[@10ksubswithoutanyvideochal22]

I'm posh I'm really vexed that thi peasent ay cheap wine in better

[@Paul-tm6lw]

Sounds like the Côtes du Rhône scam haha

[@madmalkavian3857]

That was literally a plot point in a manga I read. Someone broke a really rare and expensive wine that was reserved for an important customer so they had to find a replacement. They ended finding something from the same vineyard but way cheaper and tasted almost exactly the same. The story is Drops of God and it makes a point to highlight cheap wine that rivals the most expensive wines.

[@fleur5782]

@@madmalkavian3857 sauce?

[@pardisranjbarnoiey6356]

Why am I watching this when I don’t even drink? You’ve got it! It’s exam week!

[@ssssSTopmotion]

Hold up you don't drink how are you still alive???

[@kenchandrasena2070]

I'm not really a wine person, but I spent the weekend visiting different wineries in napa. What I learned was interesting. There were some touristy wineries where all of the darker red wines tasted similar - regardless of price point. What made it less appealing was that there was often a funny after taste. Then there were other family owned small-production wineries where you could tell the difference between varietals and the years of production. I think that there is an art to winemaking that can't be overlooked in its importance. The same is true for beer and food as well. The other factor with wine tasting and the wine competitions is that people are susceptible to palate fatigue. I think the most important thing regarding wine is that people need to know what it is they want from their wine/beer/food and then they can determine their need.

[@BirdArvid]

For critical tasting/judging, blind tasting is the only way to go. And that goes for any alcoholic beverage.

[@judyjohnson9610]

Ah, but it was pointed out in the vid that "experts" had been given a blind taste test were given the same wine three times and make different judgments on each

[@kencharm2909]

Blind tasting is also way more fun!!!!

[@Rh-sl2kt]

Doesn't even have to be alcoholic, any other way is clownery

[@internautapopo2766]

@@judyjohnson9610 there are simple explanation to this. When you're smelling something your brain bypass informations that it already knows. It's a survival mechanism. You don't need to smell everything but only what is new. For example: you have to taste 3 glasses of the same wine, in the first one you smell wood, in the second one banana and in the third one chocolate. Your brain in the third glass always smell banana and wood, but your mind bypass the first and second aroma for the third one. And also you're trick by the experiment to think they are different and you subconsciously assuming that they are. Only a triple blind could be useful, this experiment is not a valid one.

[@DrFunk-rk6yl]

@@internautapopo2766 there have been a lot of variations on this experiment. I am sure there is one out there.

[@danielr.]

Im currently living in Chile, close to the vineyard where the cheap 120 is produced. Here it costs about 2 $US and I really enjoy it!

[@pulakification]

Daniel Reinhardt Chile and Argentine Wine has invaded this world, we need anti dumping duty on them.

[@stefanreckmann6072]

Weeena coshino qloo jajajaja

[@Reivivus]

So jealous!

[@Prisoner]

@@stefanreckmann6072 wena ql

[@bocasuja22]

In Brazil all cheap wines are sweeten with table sugar what makes than taste like some candy and not like wine,cheap wine from Chile is my only option

[@knugenavswarje734]

Pro tip: Mix some cheap ass vodka with Cherry Kool-Aid and put it in an expensive wine bottle, your guests will love it.

[@JordanBoyer69]

Hahaha, got me laughing. thanks, man.

[@aluisious]

My guests actually drink wine so that's not going to work. Maybe you should stop hanging out with kids from community college.

[@nikoladd]

Never take drinking advice from people originating north of the 50-th parallel. Ever. There is a reason the nordic countries have strict alcohol control rules....

[@Pakanahymni]

Grape Kool-Aid, please. Wine is made of grapes din dummhuve.

[@knugenavswarje734]

Pakanahymni *ditt dumhuvud

[@davidbailey8690]

The thing is, there are differences in wines, but other things affecting you at the moment of tasting can be more significant. Your mood, how tired you are, what you were eating earlier recently, etc - the impact of these are often more powerful than the differences between wines. Tiger Woods may be a better golfer than me, but if we're golfing in a hurricane, it may be hard to tell. That being said, as the video showed at the beginning, in a controlled environment, you can often at least tell the difference between an expensive and cheap wine. The expensive ones will often have something special done to them, like spending much longer in wood barrels, which can create tastes difficult to generate in mass-produced bottles. That doesn't mean they are *better*, in the same way that a caveman wouldn't say truffles are better than pizza, but they are different. And while I've had some very expensive wines that were wasted on me because I wasn't in the right mindset, when you are in the right mood and hit a wine with a unique and deep flavour profile, you can have a lovely time.

[@benasanceris4299]

TRUEEE

[@Mostafa-rq9rm]

My favorite wine is Budweiser.

[@Clove_Parma]

+Norm Kid Budweiser is piss.

[@johanngaiusisinwingazuluah2116]

+Dan The Doge Pisswaser, amirite?

[@Clove_Parma]

Leonell Valderama damn straight.

[@sammyscrap]

+Norm Kid I'm more of a champagne guy myself, hence my affinity for Miller High Life

[@Earth-Apple]

+Norm Kid Heineken!

[@baidoc1633]

When I drink wine I don't drink for the taste smh I drink to get drooped. I just chug the whole bottle and then hope the room will start to move

[@devonslating1398]

Isn't that why cheapo beers exist? Hell, if you just wanna get drunk even vodka would probably be a better choice. It's certainly got liquid courage in it than wine does.

[@bcubed72]

Just toss a shot of cheap vodka in your cheap wine. It won't taste any worse than it already does, but it'll get you drunk twice as fast.

[@dieglhix]

chilean here, we only drink for taste we hate wine drunkness

[@DollnAbox]

Who drink wine to get drunk? With the average being 9-15% alcohol by volume, that would take a lot of wine...

[@GamingInYaFaceHD]

Raze Then you've never drunken wine before

[@anasilva5271]

Vox is like a classier better buzzfeed

[@ecotonoirrelevante246]

still for stupid ppl.

[@burningice15]

Ecotono irrelevante yet here you are. I never understood that logic.

[@ecotonoirrelevante246]

Ever stepped casually on mud?

[@coentertainer]

And then rummaged around underneath the mud like you did? No.

[@xzn1989]

Americans: they couldn't tell the difference between an Amarone and a Tavernello if their life depended on it, but when some Managers tried to change Coke's formula they were about to start a revolution.

[@dl8619]

Ever heard of "terroire" it applies to Americans also.

[@renderkid]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@AurumFaber]

@Steve N. 2 dollars a bottle. Where are you at?

[@remedios3895]

100%

[@panjandrum.conundrum]

Even wine tasters can't tell.

[@elijefferies1011]

April Ludgate taught me this already

[@StochasticMCSG]

Vox is like buzzfeed, only it's actually good

[@tombombadilofficial]

Only they dont copy/paste or steal their information from reddit, imgur and other original creator from various sites

[@eIucidate]

Who do you mean by "they", Vox or BuzzFeed?

[@aelliixx]

Vox. Obviously.

[@alexismartinez3610]

Or it isn't full of whale feminist

[@CrazyRandomLord]

It's [Vox] very entertaining without going so far as tabloid journalism. Personally I'm a really big fan of their production value.

[@donfolstar]

Once you realize that wine experts are full of crap, wine makers are full of crap, and this is still a massive industry that is taken quite serious you can start drawing some depressingly accurate conclusions about the rest of society.

[@randyra88]

aren't you a ray of sunshine

[@donfolstar]

Randy Adiwiguna I assume you mean that I shine light on what is there for everyone to see. Yes, I am. Thanks.

[@tc88888888]

it's pretentious. but it's not full of crap.

[@donfolstar]

tc88888888 That is quite the distinction.

[@harryputtar9090]

so true man... so true

[@JackTls]

Laughing in French where you have actual good wine for 2€ and the great wines are around 12€

[@Lozo39]

For 2€ are you sure about that ? Be careful about what they put in it ...

[@KoniTheChiwa]

@@Lozo39 Just like how American food companies chop up fetuses for use of product in food and cosmetics?

[@xander1052]

@@Lozo39 French Hypermarkets are good for the wallet, also it's the EU, the food safety regulations are incredibly strict.

[@thebrokenhomes]

This dude is right, same in Italy

[@ruicunha9693]

Same in Portugal

[@Alex_Off-Beat]

So basically I could just put some Raspberry MD2020 in a fancy looking bottle and tell people its a fancy wine from Tuscany and their brain would literally not be able to tell the difference?

[@gurneygang9625]

yup

[@Ar9132]

+Alex Golembeski They do it in restaurants all the time.

[@NotADuncon]

+Arlheen Rodriguez not in good restaurants

[@NotADuncon]

+Alex Golembeski The problem is people don't want to learn about wine. I'm not educated about win so I don't want to comment but I know many people who work in the beer and coffee comunity and there are difference in tastes. The problem is some expensive products are crap and expensive only by positioning which makes people generalize and think the high quality product doesn't exist or it shouldn't cost more (though usually the super expensive stuff is idiotic with some notable exceptions )

[@samirgomeznovelo746]

+Alex Golembeski if they have a trained palad they will tell the difference, but that doesn't mean it tastes better, they just have an adquired and trained teste.

[@thuanmtrang]

Not surprised...same people that buy thousand dollar handbags and shoes. They have money to burn and a perception to maintain.

[@wholeNwon]

And to salve their insecurities.

[@woknmaki4885]

A perception of bad taste? XD

[@justforthetv]

Not exactly. It more so depends on why they’re buying it. Some people just like to buy things because they understand the quality of the material, labor and overall product.

[@yourecompletelytrue1401]

You sound one of those "perceptions to maintain". There is a thumb rule if you are paying up to 2X of the regular price, you are going for a better thing. But if you are paying 10X of the regular price for a material, you are either being fooled or have too much money to worry about counting. And I don't the second type of people watches Vox on youtube.

[@rickeys]

+justforthetv, or they THINK they "understand the quality of the material, labor and overall product", when often (not always) it's an illusion. A good NY strip steak or filet mignon is an example of true quality. But we're allowed to enjoy a burger made from ground round also. Of course both can be ruined by poor treatment. Buy what you like.

[@Lewisking50]

For me it never mattered if the wine was expensive or cheap, it always tasted like crap...

[@Deadlyaztec27]

lol True.

[@Lewisking50]

Joгdап Йохансон Nope, I'm german.

[@jord19100]

Lewisking50 same shit you never drank a glass of normal wine

[@Lewisking50]

Joгdап Йохансон I did on multiple occasions, always tasted like crap.

[@ashkanahmadi]

true i always say it tastes like rotten grapes (which it technically is)!! never understood why people drink it. and yes i have drunk super cheap and super expensive wines both taste horrible!!

[@Chefmarcellett]

No offense, but Americans is the last people I will take wine tasting advice from.

[@finp_c2857]

just what I was thinking

[@Nomadic813]

for the record french scientists have also published similar studies.

[@agentbarron3945]

Some of america has great vineyards, cali wine is usually just export garbage unless you live in cali. Where I live there are some great grapes but cabernet doesnt grow here.

[@damienhoffmann24]

I started to write the same comment lol

[@Chefmarcellett]

@@damienhoffmann24 LOL!

[@fen4554]

To our narrator; I know it's only natural to shift your body around while recording your VO, but if you use a mic sensitive to that, it's no good. Record or downmix your voice work to a single, mono channel. Problem (mostly) solved.

[@fen4554]

spodermun Maybe when you get a job, you might be compelled to help someone with your experience.

[@RudolphCookie]

I didn't catch any shuffling. When exactly did the narrator shift their body during the taping?

[@fen4554]

***** Having a voice panning around without any context is just bad production, I personally enjoy the taste of Vox films in general.

[@AniCator]

I wonder if they did two recordings because it seemed to jump between two specific locations based at the ends of paragraphs.

[@Designguidetv]

6$ wines at Italian Carrefour will knock out any 100$ wine in the U.S.

[@democrazy69]

Even some $6 wines from Baja beat any wine from the US.

[@marioperez-ph7er]

Had cheap wine in Macedonia. Next is cheap wine in Spain!

[@w8l7s86]

Very true.

[@democrazy69]

***** Cite your source.

[@SalvableRuin]

Canadian wines are great. I haven't tried American wines. I have drunk plenty of wine in Switzerland, France, and wines from South America, Australia, etc. There is no clear difference between them and Canadian wine.

[@liegon]

This channel is so awesome. The videos are so well produced.

[@srgkzy1294]

Thank you Im glad you liked it !

[@Luka1180]

And horribly biased.

[@thebangisbig]

Lukas Sprehn I don't think so. I realised people will comment that the video has no substance when they aren't being biased, and say that they are biased when they have a side. Vox produces all kinds of videos, so maybe the audience is the biased one.

[@srgkzy1294]

Kar Yen hahaha true ..... even so i like being bias

[@schievel6047]

The moment you realize that what you consider expensive 8$ wine is actually cheap for other people

[@somerandomguy7458]

How tf is 8$ expensive

[@schievel6047]

@@somerandomguy7458 dunno about the states but the usual bottle of wine is around 3-4 Euros in Germany. 8 Euros is expensive, 1,5 Euros is the cheap stuff. But then again, alcohol taxes are a joke in Germany

[@justinm16]

unless if your broke

[@Andrew-gn9qp]

@@schievel6047 Wine is more expensive in North America because there aren't that many places it can be grown. The largest wine producing region is the Great Lakes area, roughly corresponding to Chicago, Ohio, and Toronto.

[@laserapfel24]

@@Andrew-gn9qp might be part of the reason but the 3-4$ is not just German wine but also French, US-American, Chile, Autralia and what not So I think the price difference is not just of geographical reason

[@bob-ut3go]

Since my first trip to France over 40 years ago, I was hooked. Always drink wine with dinner, often with lunch. Retired in Japan, I have a good selection of Cabernet Sauvignon from Spain, Italy, France Chile, Australia etc., typically 5 USD a bottle and all taste great.

[@Life-Row-Toll]

That's pretty awesome; Retirement sure sounds great about now. Well wishes sir :)

[@CabbigePach]

Don't let Frasier or Niles see this 💀

[@penske_material]

lmao, I will always respect a Frasier fan

[@cmaskas12]

Well at least it's not about sherry

[@seeonedoone]

Reminds me that episode where Frasier tries to send Niles away to get a rare bottle of wine and he stops: "You know very well that in '82 there was a drought in Bourgogne... The locals dubbed it the year of the raisin!"

[@CabbigePach]

+Student Doctor Adam literally watching it right now lol

[@paul20g20]

what show?

[@lohphat]

The wine was served in the wrong glass. The shape of the glass does have an effect on the taste as it determines how much aroma reaches your nose. Open fluted glasses don't concentrate the aroma.

[@lohphat]

Actually it's a testable thing. But go ahead and brag about being ignorant.

[@lohphat]

You're the one making personal attacks. In your world, any knowledge = bragging. Let me guess, Trump voter?

[@AnthonyMazzarella]

i have had wines that i have tasted on different day's that tastes different. as i let it breath it opens up amazingly. for instance the first time i tried what is now my favorite wine COS Nero di Lupu 2014 i hated it. when i tried it again the next day it was amazing. the same thing happened with a 2012 Cannonau that i had i went from no taste to amazing aromas leather and spice in a 20 hour period.

[@Metatr0n]

The glass-shape even has an effect on Single Malt. I have a variety of 8 nosing-glasses and each one delivers it's own aroma. Some oppress a certain aroma, another one amplifies it. The problem is that regarding the video and this comment-section, you mainly deal with Americans. They are used to food that almost explodes from the tons of sugar and salt in them, if I were to ask a person on this planet about taste, the Americans would be at the very bottom of the list of candidates.

[@Metatr0n]

Roddy Yang Way to go... Your math-brain actually failed you to even grasp the meaning behind our conversation, what right do you have to judge my perception of the whole video, based on a discussion about how the form of glasses change aroma and tastes of liquids? You enter a discussion without knowing what the people ar talking about only to accuse them that *they* don't know what they are talking about? I can't even take you seriously right now. I got the point of the video fairly well. It was a video that was biased from the beginning through to the end. They try to make the argument that "the grape" is the only thing that matters in the manufacturing of wine, they set up a wine-tasting with people that never in their life experience wine before, served in mediocre plastic-cups that are laughable at best, to achieve nothing in the end, because they showed 0 results of what actually came around in their little non-representative "test" that nobody in the world asked for. Only to fill up the rest of the video with facts like "Americans get influenced by movies like madmen" and "Experts have different tastes like everyone else on this planet". Only to come to the conclusion that "If you have no clue about wine at all, you won't taste a difference in price of wine", backing that up with flawed graphs that actually showed nothing. They even debunked their own video by saying "People that actually learned about wine, were able to distinguish and appreciate wine of the higher price-segment. Since I know these facts, this video was just an empty shell, used as clickbait to generate money and yielded no actual value for anyone on this planet. And now you can come and explain the part that "I didn't get". Didn't get the "statistics"? Didn't get the "maths"? Here in Germany we say "Never trust a statistic that starts with 'American scientists found out...'." And now you should invest some time into learning what "manners" are and what "reading others posts and understanding them before opening your foul American mouth to shout garbage at them" means.

[@miguelrosado6348]

You should say that American expensive wine is for suckers, as every American product "quality" is based on Marketing. No tradition whatsoever, just marketing.

[@87linceed]

Hajhahahah spot on!

[@xammeron3842]

That’s how it is everywhere in the world but everyone likes to point their finger at americans

[@miguelrosado6348]

@@xammeron3842 Nope, it's not. In Europe you have brands and grapes that have a tradition and the wine is made in specific regions and it has been like this since before the United States even existed as a country.

[@GusStat]

Ok I’m European but you need self awareness, what you’re essentially saying is that Americans attribute intangible factors with the quality of wine, I.e. marketing and price might make you think the wine is better but doesn’t affect the taste. Fun fact neither does the tradition or history of a vineyard, those are also just factors like price which you attribute with the quality of wine but which don’t improve the taste. Your stance is hypocritical, lacks self awareness and worse yet reeks of this strange form of elitism where your intangible factors are somehow better which, given you make fun of the price of the wines listed and the fact it doesn’t affect the quality ( which in and of itself is an kind of snobbery amongst wine drinkers) makes your whole argument pretty unaware.

[@miguelrosado6348]

@@GusStat The Japanese have the word shokunin to name a person who dedicates their life to master one craft, like making sushi for instance, and this person usually learns from his father who learned from his father, and so on and so on. So tradition does matter if you are aiming to do something sophisticated and sublime. There are people in this world called sommelier who studied for years to learn one thing: to taste and evaluate wines. Which basically means that you are saying that these people don't have a reason to exist. The reason some wines are more expensive than others has to do with the quality of the grape, the time it takes to make it as some wines need to rest more than others, and how many bottles of that wine were made, which makes them more exclusive. Then how exquisite and unique the taste is compared with other wines in the same year or from the year before. Some people are more sophisticated than others when it comes to wine. Some people are sophisticated in the car they choose to drive, others on clothes, others on films, others on music. So when someone comes and just says that it is all the same thing and price doesn't mean anything, I wonder if they would apply the same logic to the car they drive, our the clothes they wear, or the concerts they choose to go, or the food they eat, as it is all the same thing.

[@GrantMcWilliams]

They did this test trying to weight the results. Why don't you tell people the wines all cost the same and ask different people which one they'd prefer? The Vox staff were not wine drinkers and wouldn't know one from another according to the video. A lot of kids would prefer a hot dog over a filet mignon and we all know what's in hot dogs. The point is people will choose what they're used to and if someone is used to drinking a single dimensional cheap wine they'll still prefer it even if you gave them a $100 bottle. America's Test Kitchen has seen this very same thing in testing everything from ketchup to hamburger. People prefer what they grew up with. Having said that I can see people's perceived value effecting their judgement though. We do back to back blind taste tests in our house and I've been surprised at the results several times.

[@JohnWehrle]

I don't know if my "method" for picking wines has any legs (hard har) but first I pick the style and then I read bottles. I don't do mixed wines, only single source because I want to taste a vinyard. And then it comes down description. If it describes nuances then I might give it a try but if it describes a happy party or something else that's all fun and jazzy then it goes back on the shelf.

[@GrantMcWilliams]

By mixed wines do you mean blends?

[@JohnWehrle]

Yes, oops.

[@GrantMcWilliams]

A lot of the old world wines are blends. French wine is rarely a single grape wine as they view wine as a dish with a recipe - 2 parts this, one part that etc... However, there they're required to tell you what is in it. It seems when you get a blend here it's because they took the grapes that were left over and dumped them in the vat and unless the grape comprises over 50% of the wine you don't have to tell what it is.

[@JohnWehrle]

Interesting . . .

[@patricklundstrom8376]

So the same grape, but what else can they have done differently? Volvo and Ferrari are both made of steel...

[@GhostHostMemories]

all kinds of things. given the same volume of juice/tannin from a particular vineyard (basically crush up all the grapes/skins) and split them between x winemakers, you will have x different wines. things like yeast strains, fermentation temperature control, fermentation time, fermentation vessel, aging (barrel vs tank vs "bucket) not to mention fermentation nutrient additions, aeration to name a few. there are so many variables in wine to set one apart from the other.

[@ProTurboX]

lol Volvo and Ferrari don't even drive the same dude.

[@patricklundstrom8376]

ProTurboX Duh, that is my point. Moron.

[@Kaisuke971]

Ferraris aren't made of Steel lol

[@patricklundstrom8376]

Kaisuke971 Ferrari do have steel in them, and older Ferraris were made of steel and you must be fun at parties. Go bore someone else with your concrete thinking...

[@tourist9862]

.... everyone already knows this. You have to develop a pallet for certain things like great coffee, good sushi, good caviar, good art, and good wine. Then you enjoy it more. It's like you're showing a 12 year old a bunch of picasso paintings ... they aren't going to enjoy it much.

[@penske_material]

believe me, not everyone knows this, you'd be surprised by how many people like pretending that they aren't being fooled and manipulated into loving certain things and hating others.

[@joshmartin8094]

Incorrect. Most people automatically associate the price of a wine with how good it is going to be, which is not always the case. There is a wine that will serve different pallets. People should go with what they like instead of "developing" their pallet with regard to something that is subjective. Some like box wine, great. Others want that $100 French wine, also great. In the end, isn't the point to enjoy what one is drinking?

[@raytownloc]

What about their study that showed that "experts" didn't agree each other or even themselves?

[@rossawilson01]

Experts don't agree on art, movies, books, cars or pretty much anything so wine would be no different. An expert is really just someone who gets paid to talk about their taste (with regard to subjective mediums).

[@raytownloc]

Or themselves. Wine critics don't agree with their own reviews if they doing blind tastings.

[@MrChefjanvier]

"Same grape?" - they came from different terroirs, subject to different care - the flavour will always be different. The sentence is just absurd - there's fabulous cabernet sauvignon, horrible cabernet sauvignon and everything in between.

[@buticansingmanyanimesongs3020]

bet you're real fun at parties huh

[@MrChefjanvier]

@@buticansingmanyanimesongs3020 a true party animal, even more it fueled by good cabernet sauvignon!

[@holup977]

It's Vox ofcourse they are going to oversimplify the topic it is basically their business model

[@jdones5475]

Finally a noteworthy comment!

[@Jembii]

Red vinegar for $100 I'll be rich!

[@zebunker]

lol. so true

[@Andrew-ep4kw]

I got a $90 dollar bottle of Cabernet as a gift. It was very good, but not 9 times as good as the $10 Cabernet I usually buy.

[@aluisious]

I've had expensive Cabernet. It was great. It also spoiled very quickly which was a real shame, we would have drank more the first night had we known. But for wine I will drink by myself, it's hard to justify more than $15 a bottle. If I want a fancy drink I'd rather have some good whiskey.

[@anteeko]

Hey guys... Wine is simple, A good wine is a wine you like period. Giving wine rate/medal is ridiculous.

[@kingleviathan7140]

"sorta an oaky afterbirth" LOL WTF ARE YOU SAYING

[@anthonybruh1466]

its a comedy show

[@MrPetoria33]

Differentiating between wines is like any other hobby: it takes actual interest in the subject to be any good at it. For instance, people who don’t care about cars couldn’t care less if they have a turbocharger in their engine or not.

[@leonardoaraujo8364]

Perfect 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@losFondos]

That's not the point of the video. When even professional tasters are unable to consistently rate wines, it's not just a matter of being interested in a hobby. If you want to compare two engines, it's easy to look up horsepower and fuel consumption and make a choice, and a professional driver will always be able to tell you that a Ferrari performs better than a Fiat Panda.

[@leonardoaraujo8364]

Try to put two fanboys discussing wich is The Best car: Ferrari, Pagani, Bugatti. It is beyond The numbers. We are in subjective territory. Wine is At that territory as well. And it is ok.

[@losFondos]

@@leonardoaraujo8364 you keep missing the point though. These supercars are more or less in the same price category. If expert drivers couldn't tell the difference between a VW golf and a bugatti Veyron that would be embarrassing

[@leonardoaraujo8364]

I agree. So, do your own blind testing and choose The Best Wine for you. The everyday one. Wine is very subjective. And only go for the expensive ones if you learned enought about Wine in general. Lots of People (and some "specialists") dont know enought.

[@Smokey94462]

''Wine experts'' are as bad as Starbucks hipsters.

[@MRayner59]

As You Were Reading My Very Long Username I Stole Your Sandwich Infinitely worse, surely.

[@AJandWrmyinitials]

What is a Starbucks hipster even? A hipster that has common taste? Are you just choosing random words and putting them on KZbin comment sections?

[@akba666]

***** Except they don't. They fact that these "experts" can't even consistently award a wine the same medal shows they are just a bunch of frauds.

[@johnpacella9519]

***** You must go to the Starbucks Gas Station... Dude, what happened? Did the barista steal your GF?

[@AJandWrmyinitials]

Btw, AYWRMVLUISYS, I like your username very much.

[@dawne5139]

My husband bought me an expensive French champagne when we were dating. Another time he bought a cheap Germain sparkling wine. He was a little upset when I liked the cheap one better and I still love it decades latter.

[@dianateabag]

I'm pretty sure the one at the right is a Chilean Cabernet Sauvignon. 120 of santa Emilia, a cheap but actually good wine ( it costs like $3 in here though 😂.... Living in Chile is the best, almost any wine from the supermarket is good and cheap!

[@monarene44]

dianateabag I love that wine. It’s $5 when it’s on sale here in Florida.

[@pologamero2648]

@@monarene44 and you really don't need pay more for a good wine. To me the wines from the north area of Chile are very good (Elqui Valley), Tabally wineyard are one of these.

[@HellMasterRod]

It's actually Santa Rita, but I do agree with you

[@monarene44]

HellMasterRod Yes. You are right. Santa Rita.

[@kenweller2032]

Chilean cab is awesome!! One of the best Merlot wines I've had was a Montes Alpha that I only paid about $16 for (forget the year) and some Leyda Lot 21 Pino Noir was sublime. Great wines come from Chile and usually at a great price.

[@gnlout7403]

Before I really started liking wine, I would say it was all the same. I've had some Stags Leap, very pricey wine that was clearly better (to me) than any box wine. I've also had some 10 to 20 dollar bottles of wine that were really good.

[@taukid421]

Like any other acquired taste, you develop a palette for it. I mean, I love sour ales, but most people would prefer another beer over them. Same with strong IPAs, many people initially think they're too bitter, but eventually a lot of people come to love them. I think wine just gets hated because their experts tend to be the most snobby and annoying.

[@ohemeffgeee]

The problem though is not that wine quality is due to a specific taste or aroma like the beers you listed. Instead, they are inconsistently ranked based off some BS "complicatedness" factor that each judge, even those trained, seem to disagree upon. Also, unlike the acquired taste of the beer - the video is kinda trying to point out that wine is mostly only as good as the clarity at which you see it's price tag.

[@Greek7Dude]

Kevin Swarthout IPA IS LOVE , IPA IS LIFE

[@noirling1]

Nick Metalhead IPA IS SHIT. The fact that it's nothing but Ale with extra alcohol in it is what makes it barely beer.

[@taukid421]

***** IPAs aren't necessarily more alcoholic than normal beers, just more hoppy and bitter. It's definitely an acquired taste that you haven't developed.

[@noirling1]

Kevin Swarthout The entire name INDIA PALE ALE indicates it had added alcohol so it would last the long boat trips to India without spoiling the flavor.

[@markt8517]

i can imagine 42 dollars for wine isn't expensive

[@markt8517]

THAT expensive compared to more Expensive wines

[@asambi69]

Yeah try getting a good rated bordeaux for anywhere Close to $42 lol.

[@thomas.thomas]

it actually is rather cheap

[@bcubed72]

$42 is pretty pricey compared to what you can get in other forms of alcoholic beverages. A 750ml bottle of 14% wine has the same "bang for buck" as a $120 fifth of whiskey! Nobody would call such whiskey "cheap"... Wine is a lousy value in that GOOD wine is more expensive than similarly good spirits or beer, and REALLY CHEAP wine (i.e. "bum wines" like Mad Dog and Wild Irish Rose) are positively horrific! (Think "grape Kool-Aid and rubbing alcohol cocktail.") They also give the worst hangovers known to man.

[@dieglhix]

it is expensive source: am chilean

[@hotshot56371]

Several things can be simultaneously true: price is no guarantee of quality, and a bottle of $80 Caymus is going to be better than a bottle of $10 Mondavi, every time.

[@abneryokum]

True, unfortunately. I've been drinking wine for close to 45 years and I can count on one hand the number of truly great wines that were cheap. It's wonderful when it happens, but it doesn't happen often.

[@kryskrys6428]

@@abneryokum what makes a wine great?

[@abneryokum]

@@kryskrys6428 Google "What makes a wine great". Far too complex a topic to discuss in a KZbin comment.

[@ronmcmartin4513]

@@kryskrys6428--Tasting lots and lots of wine, with criticism in mind. What makes a good basketball player? Somebody that scores a lot of points, or plays great defense. There can be only One answer, right?

[@jacob9540]

@@kryskrys6428 Most people would say balance and complexity. When you taste cheaper wines, you can usually easily point out some element of it-it’s fruity, it’s very dry, it’s oaky, etc. With a great wine, no single element is more prominent than the others. But really what makes a good wine is up to the drinker! The more objective question is what makes a wine higher in quality than another wine

[@GraniteStateVictoria]

I'm someone who used to drink a lot of wine when she was younger (I enjoy a glass on the weekends still), not a wine expert, but I can tell you from experience that while it's true that a lot of the price has to do with the label and not the wine itself, generally a more expensive wine that costs $15 or more is going to taste better than Mad Dog 20/20, Wild Irish Rose, or Thunderbird. Although it depends on what you're looking for. If you're just looking to get drunk and don't care about taking time to enjoy it, then ride the Night Train to Drunksville. If you want to enjoy the taste a little better, maybe enjoy the depth of the flavors, you're usually (but not always) going to have to pay $10 or more (there are some exceptions, I've had some amazing $6 wine before and I've had $20 wine that tastes like fermented grape kool-aid left out in the sun for a week). It's ultimately though up to what makes you happy. Don't let me influence you one way or the other, I'm just someone with an internet connection sharing her opinions like everyone else.

[@Soutpiel78]

Try Eira São Miguel. A delicious red wine from Portugal It costs R40 a bottle in South Africa which is about 50c in the USA And, no word of a lie, it's wonderful!

[@kristenpeterssen5767]

Capetonian here, thank you!

[@caseyvee4419]

Along similar lines: when I was a bartender, we ran taste tests on blended scotch, and there was practically no difference in the choices for best when customers did not know what they were drinking. The VERY little difference noted was from very light scotches to darker ones. They COULD tell a difference in single malt vs. blended, but among the blended, no one could really tell. We had guys who drank Dewar's, Cutty Sark, Johnnie Walker (red, blue, whatever) every day who could not pick out their favorite brand! With vodka, it was even worse: our house brand was Popov, which is really cheap, and no one could tell it from any other brand. Rums, of course everyone could tell a white rum from a dark rum, but unlike the other liquors, there was more ability to tell brand to brand among the amber and dark rums- certainly not 100%, but we had people who could tell Mt. Gay from Appleton from Bacardi, etc., even on rums, though, after noting how little difference there was, most people said they would buy whichever was cheapest in the future.

[@Blacmorecito]

120 santa rita OH BOY MY CHILEAN DUDES MAKING IT INTO VOX

[@John_CL]

Falto un gato en tetrapack

[@pedropopelka3166]

thats one of the cheapest wines in chile and its quite good though!

[@fernandosanchezm]

Aqui estamos poh!!!! jajajaja

[@jonathansaavedra8135]

Wena! Somos el mejor pais de Chile xD

[@rikienbacker]

Un tocornal se los parte!! 😂😂😂

[@jacob9540]

1. Those “medals” and wine competitions are not taken seriously by anyone in the wine world. The “judges” at those things are rarely seasoned wine experts and these things are really more of a promotional sales tactic for cheap wine companies. No serious wine producer partakes in wine competitions. 2. It’s worth noting that the example shown here about Robinson and Parker giving two different ratings to Chateau Pavie is a very rare example and it’s clear that the reason is because Chateau Pavie is somewhat of a controversial wine that Jancis Robinson has an issue with. Pavie is making wine in a style that is much bolder and richer than a classic Bordeaux, more along the lines of a Napa Zinfandel, and Robinson has made it clear that she does not approve of this, while Parker and other wine critics still think Pavie is a great wine, regardless of whether it adheres to old traditions. Famous wine critics almost always give very similar ratings to wines, this video uses one rare example to argue a point that isn’t really true.

[@eventhisidistaken]

I drink nothing but the finest of boxed wines.

[@sv9818]

Very simplistic conclusion, it would be hard to find any southern European who would agree with this nonsense. Following your same "logic", paying for anything more expensive than fast food or highly processed supermarket food must also be for suckers...🙄 I'm not saying there aren't over priced wines, of course there are! Personally I rarely, if ever, buy wines over $40 (I live in Europe), but if you compare a cheap box or bulk-wine against an Italian, Spanish or Argentine $20 to $30 dollar wine, and you can't notice any difference in the quality, then you clearly have issues with your taste buds. Period. The care most vintners in these countries put behind making their wines, is clearly reflected in their final taste, color, aroma, etc. They put great care choosing the right moment to pick the grapes (picking each bunch by hand), selecting each "berry" individually, controlling the fermentation and ageing processes to the most minute detail, so you can have an interesting, balanced and great tasting wine that will go great with the local food and produce. If you can't notice that, then keep drinking Coca-Cola and Bud Light and making these silly videos.

[@xxhalfemptyxx7713]

that wine in the middle might've been made from the grapes that were grown on the windows xp hill.

[@cekoforbidden9317]

Tbh those judges had no idea what they were talking about

[@stakezen7825]

My dad used to be a professional sommelier and he was at a level that was just below top in the world. He could legitimately know the exact wine he sipped from that alone

[@cruelreality7600]

Don’t bother. Most people on this video have no clue what they are talking about and you won’t convince them. There is a very appreciable improvement in wine quality up until around 50 dollars. That being said I know $12 bottles that easily could be sold for 3-5x that quality wise and hundred plus dollar bottles that should cost a quarter of their price.

[@catsadilla324]

I've had a $200 wine and a multi-award winning $10 wine and the one thing they have in common that regular wines don't have are the rich fruit flavors and a smooth finish (just pleasant) that most other wines don't have, which usually have the very chemically alcohol taste that feels like the alcohol was added after.... from a rubbing alcohol bottle.

[@luxpursuits]

Exactly

[@jcbd9415]

the people in the video and here in the comments have probably never tried bottles above $30 lol

[@MACTEP_CHOB]

I get what you are on. But I only acquired that kind of taste, when I made one personally.

[@furrycircuitry2378]

What's the name please

[@catsadilla324]

@@furrycircuitry2378 Penfolds Cabernet Sauvignon & One Road Shiraz

[@russellthorburn9297]

Wine experts are like movie critics. Their preferences rarely align with the preferences of the general public. The wine tasting scene from the Parks and Recreation episode "Flu Season 2" comes immediately to mind when I think about wine experts.

[@tvsonicserbia5140]

Movie critics often align with the general public though

[@sin3358]

I feel like wine critics also have the same taste as the general public. I've seen one guy who is very honest about his wine choices and how he'd like to drink these very cheap wines and even give them to his guests because they possessed good qualities. The thing is, it's probably a thing for the critics to sort of pretend to have a richer taste. And in order to get the job you'll probably need to bluff a little bit. You don't want the high end wine companies being told their wine is awful when they have a long history of being the greatest in the world for it. But this is my opinion. You can never know fully well enough

[@aidanwarren4980]

This reminds me a lot of Bourdieu’s book Distinction. Turns out things aren’t necessarily expensive of high-class because they’re better.

[@marygem]

Same for people.

[@edgardobassi4864]

American knows wines? You drink red wine as aperitif! No other comment needed.

[@chrishyde952]

+edgardo bassi you are dumb

[@edgardobassi4864]

Chris Hyde Mediterranean countries drank wine for thousands and thousands of years. And now we have to learn to drink from Americans who started a hundred year ago?

[@chrishyde952]

+edgardo bassi idgaf how you think ppl should drink wine. We drink however we want, you apertfuck!

[@edgardobassi4864]

Chris Hyde Do You know what Culture is? I will never argue with You about beer drinking. I like beer but beside that I know nothing about beer. By the way, what time is it in Washington state, is not too early?

[@edgardobassi4864]

So I know what wine is and I have to listen idiocy and be quiet?Centila

[@winnrecked]

Real expensive wine is well over $500.

[@ERXSE]

you forgot to put '- Le reddit gold user (follower count 23,538)' in the end of your comment.

[@oldi184]

I enjoy cheap wine. It really dont taste worse than expensive stuff. I got few times expensive wine so i know. Its all about psychology and brain chemistry. Put cheap wine in expensive bottle and your friends will love it.

[@xXxBurnerable]

+oldi184 best frekin idea!

[@ERXSE]

***** That's how much I care about reddit.

[@jonathancoy5542]

hiddenpage 500? Hah more like 5000 I thought these would be like 20000 actually...

[@Leratomogase]

Price doesn’t equal quality. Wine is all about understanding both the wines and your own palate. Also, every bottle is unique. Even if it’s the “same wine”

[@billyb6001]

Except the Australians

[@therealnoodles7638]

True, I've tasted different cabernet sauvignons from different bottles in Australia and different regions, some from Barrosa and some from Coonawarra. The best one I've had is from Coonawara. And the Coonawara one is a bit more expensive

[@louisazraels7072]

"does it taste five time better" Is the wrong question to ask, does an NBA basket player plays a million time better than an amateur? Is a buggati 20 times as fast as a toyota? Price doesnt scale linearly with quality but exponentially. And that's even excluding any kind of hype, high precision tools are orders of magnitude more expensive than basic ones and no-one buy them for the glam.

[@wo.joaquin]

Aguante su 120 en caja

[@FdoMalmsteen24]

Vine justo a buscar este comentario

[@TheSheeco]

@@FdoMalmsteen24 vine a exactamente lo mismo

[@miriotogata5853]

Americans talking and judging wine... Also their view on wine change because of a movie 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Jack-mf5lw]

I think this is mainly because it's not part of their culture. Where I'm from people tend to buy expensive wine in relation to its rarity, any links to our family roots or just as souvenirs from places that have a history background related to the wine. Otherwise you could just pick a random cheap one.

[@aowatson1]

taste is not effected by the lead or other similar metals contams that are plenty in the cheap bottles.

[@Sogeking995]

What is this comment even supposed to mean? The U.S. is one of the most significant wine producing nations in the world. Typical snobbery.

[@pietrobosio7919]

Though I agree on merlot 😂

[@georgekouts]

@@Sogeking995 Quantity, and quality are two different things. The U.S. may produce vast quantities of wine, making it a significant producing country, but I can assure you, where quality is concerned, it's lacking a great deal. France, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Germany all produce far superior wines than California, and those facts have nothing to do with snobbery.

[@andrewmcdonald6208]

Vox spared no expense with the cheap plastic wine glasses...Lol next time use a Riedel Cabernet wine glasses for a real tasting experience. All of the wine in the tasting would have tasted better. Were the wines tasted at the proper temperature for Cabernet which is 62-64°f . I'm sure all the wines tasted were very good for the price. The expensive one would be for Christmas Prime Rib Dinner and others would be for more casual times

[@joshtiel2980]

Once again, your clever titling made me click and I was not disappointed! 👏

[@juliettemelodygrace6969]

I work at a winery and tell customers every day that the more expensive wine isn’t necessarily better, it’s just different. We all have personal preference and there’s no right or wrong answer. What you’re accustomed to makes a big difference in what you like, people used to cheaper wine will rarely favour the complexities of a $150 bottle. I firmly believe wine is just to be enjoyed and we shouldn’t overthink it, if you like it great if you don’t try something else

[@DunceCapSyndrome]

How different could the complexities really be when professional blind taste testers can’t taste the difference?

[@Diode5]

Usually anything fairly cheap I can feel a headache coming on within a few sips. I find the moderate price point is where most of the value is for both quality of the wine (avoiding instant headache) and a good taste. Anything more expensive is still roulette, but you'd hope expensive wines in general are at least always subjectively better tasting than the cheapest, but not always against moderate priced. Generally there is additional cost into producing more expensive wines, regardless if you find they taste better or not, but I'm sure most of the price is cream on top.

[@MACTEP_CHOB]

And how much exactly is `moderate price` ?

[@RealChrisHatch]

i’ve found that price point to be at about $20 a bottle

[@akdave69]

On a related note, I highly recommend this movie: "Bottle Shock is a 2008 American comedy-drama film based on the 1976 wine competition termed the "Judgment of Paris", when California wine defeated French wine in a blind taste test." FWIW, recent vintages of the 1973 wine that won the contest, Chateau Montelena Chardonnay, are now about $70 per bottle.

[@joemilton9531]

It's more than wine that has similar issues. I went to a restaurant with waiters and that stuff, compared to fast food restaurants there isn't much of a difference. I actually prefer fast food restaurants.

[@joemilton9531]

***** Well almost everything is better than mcdonalds their chicken sandwiches are the only thing I like, I would argue it is better in certain areas like service and sanitation but not enough to justify a much larger price.

[@trjslek999]

joe milton Pretty ridiculous comment to make. You expect food to be higher quality, fresh, and not pre-packaged when going to a nicer restaurant. Sure if youre talking about chains like Chili's or Olive Garden then it isn't much of a difference quality-wise. But even the preparation is completely different than any fast food burger place.

[@joemilton9531]

Ron Ron I read an article saying frozen food has very similar nutritional value as fresh food so packaging doesn't really do much. I should have elaborated more, certain fast foods I've been to prepare food much more differently than let's say mcdonalds. I've seen a few fast foods actually cook the food not putting it in an oven and wait until the food is "ready"

[@joemilton9531]

***** Well this is awkward

[@joemilton9531]

***** Yea I agree with you on that

[@whatdacurl94]

midprice wine $10-$25 is the best and $25 is pushing it in my opinion

[@nelzelpher2088]

Or just 5 dollar vodka

[@railmaster.7752]

Cheap wine are for posers who can't tell the difference.

[@박종균-o8n]

I can distinguish whether whisky is expensive or not. But that is very hard for wines.

[@williamfrancis5367]

You can tell the price of beer by drinking it than a glass of wine.

[@RobertAlvarez70]

Hahaha this is so true

[@CasualGamer121]

Exactly. Cheap beer is water

[@fron645]

Yup, cheap beer is just cheap no matter what

[@olliefraga]

Americans judging wine is equivalent to french enjoying muscle cars.

[@jasonsimms4238]

they did a similar experiments in Bordeaux and added red dye to white wine and the french experts couldn't tell the difference.

[@Sam-gn5mq]

@@jasonsimms4238 If you read the study you understand that it has more to do with psychology than wine though.

[@jasonsimms4238]

@@Sam-gn5mq well thats the point

[@Sam-gn5mq]

@@jasonsimms4238 First of all they weren't experts, they were bachelor students. Second of all, the test was only about how the subjects described the smell of the wine. It was never about the actual taste, because if they would have tasted it the tannins in the red wine would make it very easy to distinguish them.

[@jasonsimms4238]

@@Sam-gn5mq these were not just bachelor students, they were french bachelor student of "wine science".besides if we go back to the original comment, it suggested that all french people were better wine censures than americans not just expets. and the study was about wine tasting not wine smelling, i could link you the study if you want

[@vaderjohnson1525]

"The same grape" is a giant overstatement. They are the same KIND of grape, but different qualities.

[@_catulus]

Possibly different ways of using them as well.

[@FunBoysGaming]

Jordan Schlansky would like a word with you.

[@ziyandadyani7106]

Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.

[@ED_667]

Someone: Ready to pay for sth $1000 tho the original price is $100 but does not care for being too ricc Me: *laugh in poverty*

[@arvid7562]

do you speak english?

[@iei2781]

Bruh looks like Google translate failed you

[@trang9992]

...cạn lời

[@dulvab9968]

Were you dropped as a baby

[@sail_hatan]

@@dulvab9968 Speak much Vietnamese Eddie?