Experimental Two-Tender Schools Class | Building The Ultimate Hornby Steam Loco

[@pirozcontractor6006]

Next: The Heljan Beyer Garrat with as many tenders as possible!

[@SamsTrains]

haha I've never thought of that - but yes, the Garratt must be a tank engine! xD Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@cheyvengeance5432]

The garratt has got a tender in fact if you think about it it has 2 one each end one for coal one for water

[@emilioi.valdez6680]

Actually the Garratt may have powered tenders since driving wheels are under the fuel storage on the engine. If you have seen photos of the Erie Triplex locomotive, you'll know what I mean.

[@cheyvengeance5432]

Emilio I. Valdez yeh I get what you mean just whoever has the point of saying that the garratt doesn’t have a tender is wrong as such

[@emilioi.valdez6680]

@@cheyvengeance5432 Alright then.

[@TheVehicleFan]

2018: train underwater 2019: world's strongest train 2020: steampunk and this 2022: train with guns 2055: ultra transformer 2,0000: ultra train shooter punk strong ultimate power underwater train

[@John73John]

He's already done a couple of trains with army tanks on them, does that count?

[@SamsTrains]

Yep, that's basically the plan! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ikriestiana]

lol :)

[@JayseHeiney2000]

i like the idea of a Two Tender Flying Scotsman, but a Two Tender SCHOOLS CLASS? ... now THAT Is something i wanna see IRL, excellent job on the build -Jayse

[@SamsTrains]

haha me too actually - maybe some day?! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Andrew7923]

Our man Sam just reinvented articulated locomotives.

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! I'm sure I did! xD

[@jordanorriss4784]

@@SamsTrains Sorry Sam, it's just a stupid idea : / Good idea on paper maybe but not a good idea at all.. it's something I did when I was much younger. Good attempt but still a nice video, hope you're staying safe :)

[@asdatrollys8944]

You’ve heard of the bendy bus now get ready for the bendy steam loco

[@NikkiTheOtter]

More like he invented a Tender-Slug. Which is something I've never seen before.

[@gamingwithlukeJToH]

Union Pacific has nothing on this guy!

[@sonictailsx4690]

"It's alive, it's alive, IT'S ALIVE!" "HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" >=D

[@calebmatchitt3853]

I like ya foment g *u scream*

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! It did feel like that! xD Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lollington6113]

0:53 does that mean the cow is a loco

[@SamsTrains]

Yes. Yes it does! ;D

[@carrotheadohmygod]

Sorry, did you say bullman? YES OF COURSE!

[@JDT153]

bullman now carrys 9 tenders and he is going to be racing on the sams trains circuit

[@BR45723]

TheBananaVanMan Jordan Y E S

[@mikepatnope1446]

*confused nosies*THE WHAT YOU SAY

[@nameless5413]

i am more and more fond of these strange experimental builds. It feels like if dr. Frankenstein was a model train enthusiast rather than physician (possibly mortician).

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you! haha absolutely - I'm sure he was! ;D

[@ks_56]

having is schools with double tendes is odd, but a schools with an early and late crest? thats crazy

[@SamsTrains]

haha I know - best of both worlds! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@jamesgilbart2672]

Great project! It would be interesting to try fitting separate DCC decoders to the loco and tender motors and adjust them so the speeds match better.

[@klbird]

Nice concept but getting that coal from the rear tender to the loco would be a fireman's problem. 40 years ago I assembled two Kitmaster Evening star loco kits into a 2 10-10 -0 monster. It really looked wicked.

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's very true - each shovel-full of coal would involve a dangerous journey! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@iceeblueburst03]

Nice experiment of adding two tenders to the Schools Class locomotive! I’m getting some Flying Scotsman vibes from seeing this! You should keep it like this since this is your most powerful locomotive in your collection, and you mentioned that it bears the Garratt locomotive too! Hopefully you can use this in your videos more often! 😃👍

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much mate - haha yeah everyone's been saying that, lol! ;D I think I will keep it like this, for sure! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@firestarspelt]

@@SamsTrains put 2 dcc decoders in it and use the speed tables to speed match them

[@fergoossens6495]

These random and weird experiments and things are the reason why i specificly like youre channel so much. Keep it going Sam and you have that 100k in no time

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks so much, that's really kind of you! :D Cheers, Sam :)

[@adamchmielewski6162]

This to the flying Scotsman: “You and I are not so different”

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! ;D

[@jpsholland]

16:30 this is why those long American freight trains have mid-train DPU's and rear DPU's. (DPU = Distributed Power Unit, which are just normal locomotives listening on remote control to the leading unit with the engineer) Real trains do the same thing when they are to long or to heavy and would be pulled by only locomotives in the lead. But this also depend on how tight curves are. In some routes it is not needed.

[@SamsTrains]

Yes indeed! This definitely shows the need for something like that, lol! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@sturmtigerking4263]

"Not destroying it lets say butchering it" isn't that a similar thing. Great different video. That US loco I'm fixing up is going well although it needs a new motor

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah it's a similar thing, lol! Ahh good luck with your project! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ecpcharles]

Some tips for your next super power project: you need to put heavier coaches at the front of the train and lighter cars in the back. The drawbar height between tenders and engines should be mounted at the same height as the couplers between the coaches. You should put an ammeter on the rails to see how much current its drawing! when you tested the tender by itself, you removed the shell, which wouldve weighted down the tender more for a more accurate reading. You should put the pickup tender in between the two powered units so the wiring would be a bit simpler. Also there would be a buffer between the two motors, making the unsmooth running a tad smoother. Cool project! Id like to see 3 9Fs chained together...

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for the tips, good point on the coaches! I used the same drawbar fittings as original, so the heights should have been the same! Current draw would be interesting to measure! The wiring is pretty simple for any formation - each unit had both wires commoned together, so I could couple them in any order. 3 9Fs would be epic - I'd love that! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@patrickwebb7311]

Before getting to the test: Oooooh this' going to be interesting. I love double tender locos. After: Wow, that's impressive, if only you could make the tender motor and engine motor sync up more. Regardless, that was a fun experiment Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot mate! Yeah that's the next job - I'm sure I'll manage it! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ianbennett6285]

Sam'sTrains fit a couple of decoders and speed match the motors

[@tophat8742]

Two tender engine The Flying Scotsman: “Confused Screaming”

[@imatrainperson1195]

Looks like Flying Scotsman is going to have some competition

[@SamsTrains]

Exactly!! :D

[@Daman2287]

@@SamsTrains is it possible to do this with the Flying Scotsman?

[@adamchmielewski6162]

@@SamsTrains the flying Scotsman with 4 tenders lol

[@richiefree7756]

Think adding a single pick up on the front of the loco may help balance it out when not pulling a load?

[@SamsTrains]

That may be a good idea - thanks for the suggestion! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@carrotheadohmygod]

Flying Schoolsman, will appear in Thomas and friends season 25 for the “exciting” new great race 2 electric boogaloo.

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! Fingers crossed! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Super1337357]

Model trains are toys and it's totally okay to do what you want with them.

[@lukeslocomotives]

No there models

[@SamsTrains]

I agree with you both - they should be whatever you want them to be! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@iceeblueburst03]

13:41 Is it just me or is the middle tender wheel missing?

[@hoagy_ytfc]

Viviane von Scharnhorst only the outer ones are driven by the motor, presumably?

[@SamsTrains]

It is! Only the outer wheels are driven, and the middle ones no longer fit after the CD motor conversion! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@peterdriffill7950]

Right on time - another one of these type of videos was well needed!! - would be good to see a comparative review between the two to see what’s changed over the years! + I’d love to see the VItrains 37 re-reviewed! :)

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Peter, I like both of those ideas - I'll have to look into those! :D Cheers, Sam :)

[@iceeblueburst03]

Could this possibly be The Flying Scotsman’ lost cousin? 😳

[@SamsTrains]

haha maybe!! We'll have to introduce them! xD Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@michaelschultz5127]

If you want power then try to add can motors in the tenders

[@SamsTrains]

haha great idea!! ;D

[@thomasawl]

Sam, I thought you were drunk.

[@SamsTrains]

haha, life is my alcohol! ;D

[@vodka2432]

I’ve seen what people are like when they are drunk, and it’s much crazier than this lol!

[@michaelschultz5127]

Nah, just crazy.

[@CaptainScruff83]

Do enjoy your experiments. I tried something similar with two worn out class 47s made into one power unit, worked great but seemed to derail in one direction. Keep up the good work mate. 👍

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much! I've often wondered about that - interesting about the derailing, did you ever find out why?! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@CaptainScruff83]

@@SamsTrains it was a similar problem to your Dapol class 73 you reviewed a few months back, where I'd modified the unpowered end there was insufficient clearance between the new powered bogie and the frame. Just took a bit of fettling and a spacer. I suppose I could always write "heljan" underneath it! 😂😂😂😂 cheers mate

[@leonardosanchez3155]

Can this be used to fix engines like the 4-4-0 county and or Midland compound model ?

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah it totally could! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@OlivierGabin]

You remind me a question I had asked me recently for one of my sci-fi novels projects : how to run trains on the Moon ? The problem is the adhesive weight of the locomotive, which is 1/6th of what it is on Earth. Solution : less axles and more locomotive mass. Anyway, I really like your experimental videos, especially when I see you tinkering with the hardware. Next : can the Heljan Tango run on 240 V AC ? Featuring the fire brigade of your city, I presume...

[@SamsTrains]

That's an interesting thought! I'd probably opt for a roller-coaster type arrangement, it'd be safer! You'd have to be quite inventive with propulsion and switching tracks though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lukecarruthers]

Hi Sam, this did look like fun, building your Monster Schools Class :-) thanks. I believe that under BR (so like your 2 models) a couple of the Schools class were briefly paired with the bogie tenders from withdrawn Lord Nelson's!! Maybe something to try in a future video if you have an LN in the right livery?...

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Luke, I really enjoyed doing it actually! That's very interesting - I could totally do that! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@robertlucido3686]

A lot of steam locomotives that pull excursion trains here in America have a second tender for holding extra water for the engine called an auxiliary water tender, in fact one of my excursion trains that I costom painted, one of the cars on it is a tank car I made as the engine's auxiliary water tender

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I've seen that quite a lot - it's pretty unusual in the UK though! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@paulmishler402]

There were actual steam locomotives with steam engines under the tender back a long time ago, for example the triplexes and some of the indiana harbour belt 0-8-0's, there were a few others too, but the never really worked too well.

[@SamsTrains]

Very cool Paul, thanks for sharing this!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@scalesmodellingmagic5883]

The second tender is usually a water tender 🤣

[@SamsTrains]

haha I know! xD

[@SodorBrony]

Huh. For once, traction tires were the key. Hard to believe, given how you aimed to purge the traction tires. Very nice, all the same! I'm actually hoping to get a Railroad Schools Class. And maybe figure a back-up plan once the traction tires fail on me.

[@SamsTrains]

haha exactly - though dumb experiments are the only good time for traction tyres.... they still shouldn't be used on expensive models! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@rich81090]

In all seriousness this is something I have considered to help with the inclines on my layout, put a decoder in the tender. effectively the tender is its own engine and you would be double heading with power in tender and engine with two decoders.

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah - if they were properly speed matched, I could honestly recommend doing this!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@jameslagare2779]

You should convert that second tender as an auxiliary water tender to give it a more realistic vibe.

[@SamsTrains]

True! You literally could mod it to look that way couldn't you?! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@phil36310]

Hi Sam, That's why the real railways "double head" trains. Wonder what the pulling power of two 00 Princess classes might be ?

[@SamsTrains]

haha exactly, lol! I'd love to find that out too! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@louisbuscarino7330]

Sam you never seem to amaze me with your videos they are always so great. That is why your videos are my favorite. I can never wait till the next one to come on . Keep them coming.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Louis - that's very kind of you, thanks so much for supporting the vids! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@reliantrailways]

I might get a Hornby railroad scools class! It's what I'm looking for to buy next, cheap small-ish tender engine in a br livery with a good mechanism

[@SamsTrains]

They are decent locos, the Railroad ones at least! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@colwichjunction3366]

Lovin the music! 👍😃elevatortastic!!!!

[@SamsTrains]

haha thank you!! xD

[@cameronmcilroy6488]

That's pretty cool. Wasn't expecting it to work as well as it did. Didn't even know you could do that as well

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you!! Yeah it was a fun learning curve! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lapiswake6583]

An interesting concept. I need a railroad schools class loco to modify into a streamlined schools at some point. You need a hornby 60, see if that has a similar haulage capability; mine hauled 120 short wheelbase wagons as though they weren't there.

[@SamsTrains]

Oh wow I'd love to see that done! Wow - the 60 sounds like a real beast! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@FullArcher05]

Now we need wait until the steam engine actually becomes real.

[@SamsTrains]

haha exactly!! ;D

[@settershealthcentrebowenth9117]

Congratulations Sam this was awesome

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you!! :D

[@neza6268]

0:36 them horses back in the days pulling wagon on rails: sad noise

[@bow-tiedengineer4453]

because of the way friction works, engines actually provide less tractive effort when their wheels are slipping, because friction actually is lower between two surfaces that are moving relative to each other.

[@James_Rivett]

I have a older Hornby tender drive Britannia, that lost the traction tires off the tender. I replaced these with standard wheels. The chassis dated back to the time it was a loco driven model in the Tri-ang range, so I fitted a crown wheel and motor assembly, with some extra pick ups. We tested it on my friends layout when 1st done (I didn't have a layout big enough at the time) and it managed 15 mk1's on his circuit with the incline, and 20 on the level circuit (the only thing that prevented us from having a long train was.... a lack of additional coaches), and that was with no traction tires anywhere. It was done on a rather tight budget, as I was out of work at the time, and the traction engine ate most of my spare money (as it still does lol). I still run the Brit from time to time, and it sometimes sees 10 coaches behind it which is the maximum I can fit in the fiddle yard, but the norm is 8 as this is the most I can fit in with a tender or diesel loco in the passing loop in the station. I cant claim credit for this idea, as I chap I used to know from Sheringham has done it to his model of Flying Scotsman Keep up the great reviews Sam, their interesting and informative.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing - wow how come it pulled so much? I wouldn't expect much without the tyres! Sounds fantastic though - I'll have to try that sometime! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@James_Rivett]

@@SamsTrains ​ I guess just down to weight, its a rather heavy 1990's model and Alans old layout had very gentle curves (if I recall correctly they were about 4 foot radius as the layout was about 8 foot wide) and with nice smooth running metal wheels set on the coaches. Also equivalent of two locos. I have no idea if the tender wheels are in sync with the locos wheels, my guess is not (would this help?). I will check when I go out into the train shed, as not sure if the wheels I replaced were knurled or not. I also recall that it did slip a bit on the incline with 15. I think we added one more and it got less than half way up. I also have Hornby class 25 that I have fitted 2 motor bogies, but never loaded this up yet as my passion is steam, but I have a splattering of diesel classes that could be found in East Anglia in the 1960's. Again this is a borrowed idea, as I once met a chap who had converted all his Hornby Diesels so both bogies were powered. (he has also fitted resisters to make initial running slower and capacitors aid running over dead spots..... DCC hadn't bean heard of then and Zero 1 was history). My Hornby class 110 was a bit gutless (due to lack of weight) when I added a extra centre trailer coach to make a 4 car unit. I did try adding extra weight but without much success so I've ended up with 2 powered DMBC, as I didn't want a 2nd motor visible in the driving cab, but that's not really the same is it lol. Would be interesting to see what a 9f with loco and tender drive could do, or Flying Scotsman in 1966 to 1973 configuration with loco and twin tender drive.

[@TKS60163]

the thumbnail text is amazingly accurate to what time of year it is.Also I cant wait for the Halloween video you have planed this year! Keep up the good work and stay safe! -TKS

[@SamsTrains]

haha I thought so too! Hope you enjoy Halloween! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TKS60163]

@@SamsTrains thanks I hpe you enjoy Halloween too

[@TERRYBARTLETTRAILMAN28]

Nice Work Sam maybe you could add a sound decoder to one of the locos like the Merchant Navy class 35005 Canadian Pacific

[@SamsTrains]

Maybe! I'd love that!! :D

[@MrZenwise]

Love your experiments! I think if it pulls something, it's a loco! Doesn't need wheels :)

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate - yeah I think so too! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@bindonrail46]

Reminds me of our experiments back in the 80's after the Airfix class 31 set a record of 99 coaches, everytime we tried the same on the club layout all the coaches would just 'string line' on the curves and we would have to spend ages putting them all back on the track. What you really need are some coach chassis loaded up with weight instead...

[@SamsTrains]

Very cool!! I've spent many an hour doing similar myself! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@bentullett6068]

After watching this I wonder what the pulling power of a hornby live steam locomotives is as these were pretty much scaled down actual steam locomotives, I think you need to borrow one of someone who owns one of these to test miniature steam power against electric power. Don't modify it though as they are pretty expensive and rare.

[@SamsTrains]

I've often wondered that too - doubt they have very much torque, but I'd love to find out! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@sharongylling7354]

Great video Sam!!!

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you! :D

[@Nate_NCP]

Love your videos! Keep up the great work!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much!! :D

[@brianmicky7596]

Hi Sam, Gobsmacked, Great bit of fun , going to have a go myself, All the Best Brian 🤗

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks Brian - it was great fun to make! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TheTWRModeller]

Gosh! What a modern 4-4-0 tender locomotive! You should repaint it into a different livery after some modifications to the loco and tender bodies and pass it off as the 8P 4-4-0.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah they were pretty modern actually! A repaint would be epic too actually! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@robmasterman]

That's a fascinating experiment Sam...I was particularly interested in the material used from loco to tender as I have several tender drive locos. Are you able to share what you used Please....Thanks Bob.

[@SamsTrains]

You mean the drawbar? I buy sheets of brass on Ebay, you want 0.4mm - 0.6mm thick - it's great for stuff like this! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@robmasterman]

@@SamsTrains Thanks Sam, I thought you had used wire with connectors that went from the tender and loco, that joined together, but I'm probably wrong as usual...Thanks for your reply.

[@andrewvenn3021]

If you have a DCC control system, chip each motor, speed match the two and then run it as a consist. Should sort out the motors fighting each other.

[@SamsTrains]

Yes indeed - that'd work really well actually! I think I'll just add a power resistor though - it's better than wasting two good decoders on this nonsense! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@robinbrowne5419]

Sam: "There's a funny noise coming from there." I suspect Dr. Frankenstein probably said the same thing :-)

[@alantoms3263]

Good effort and interesting. I was curious - had to work on my 30915 Brighton recently - replaced the single axle, loco-powered tyres - difference quite obvious and pulling power substantial.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Alan - sounds like a nice little mod there too! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@alantoms3263]

@@SamsTrains Thanks Sam. In my case, it was no mod, just replacing the tyres. Made a big difference and good practice. This little real-life powerhouse needs the tyres to be 'prototypical' despite the metal body unfortunately - I've tried 'all-steel' before and it was just so sensitive to everything I decided to return to original.

[@jamesgilbart148]

Impressive! What happened to the middle axle of the powered tender? Out of interest, how does the performance of the RailRoad Schools compare with the 'proper' Hornby Schools?

[@SamsTrains]

It doesn't fit any more with the CD motor unfortunately! They're largely the same, except the Railways is heavier with a better motor - so a bit stronger out of the box! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@tarleton8874]

Hi Sam - great video as usual. Your introduction of the loco reminded me of old school Top Gear! Do you have any plans to build a proper model railway layout at some point? The construction process would make for an excellent new long-term series!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much! I may do one day - it would be fun! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@robertwilloughby8050]

Just think about it like this - there is a Brighton - Plymouth train. All you've got to pull it is a "Schools" (Lemaitre?) with a six wheel tender. You can't re-coal halfway through, due to a coal supply problem at Salisbury. You have a spare six wheel tender that you can coal-up at Brighton. There is just enough slack in the timings to swap the tenders at Salisbury. Aka - maybe could happen in real life?

[@SamsTrains]

haha I'm sure not - imagine the logistics of getting coal from the second tender to the loco..... but maybe with a touch of imagination!! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@DavoDentetsu]

I reckon if there is one loco you should give a go, Kato's EF510 would be it. Mental pulling power, two bogie-mounted coreless motors and super smooth running.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate, I'll look into those for sure! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Marcus-yn7wc]

I don’t know why watching Sam fixing his train is a very good feeling

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear that mate!! :D

[@alaskacosplay]

I think that loco, on a crazy set up and one tender if it was possible (I'm garbage at mechanics) would make a great banker up an incline.

[@the_autism_express]

16:31 that there is a string line derailment, when the the force of the curve (along with the engine on one end, and the heavy coaches on the other end) causes the coaches to lean and derail. Here's a video by railfan Rowan that explains it better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5C4coCJht1_ZtE

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah! It is pretty cool isn't it? I'll have to watch that! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@cogidubnus1953]

Would that have technically have been a 4-4-BO ?

[@SamsTrains]

ahha I guess that's about right, lol! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@markhummerstone8692]

Love these Franken-Vids!! Just FYI, there is a way to electronically sync the motors....if thats a 'thing' you're interested in. I had an RC Lancaster that automatically synced all four motors/speed controllers to the one throttle.....food for thought....

[@SamsTrains]

haha thank you! That's very interesting - does that work even if they're vastly different motors?? Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@gettonmoreorless3741]

Most American models never stepped away from just one motor in the engine. The only exception I can think of are both brass locomotives, one being the southern railroad ms2 with tractor tender, and the other being one of the triplex models.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah very few have two motors - just the Garratt does in my collection! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Ah man, those coaches tipping over on the bend brings back memories. Those really light MK2 coaches are always doing that. Part of the reason why I'm glad about those Genesis coaches.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I know - that's happened many many times in my past too! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@GothicSteamEngine96]

Destroying locomotives???? That’s like saying I destroyed my Bachmann 2-6-0 4mt and 2-6-0T 3mt when I mashed them into one 2-6-0 3mt!! Keep doing what you do Sam, as far as a fellow modeller is concerned, you’re doing alright! ^^

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks so much mate - very glad to hear you say that! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TheGWR0-4-0]

This is great, it really is very strong! The jerkyness of it without a load I found hilarious

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you! haha me too! xD Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@JacobDoesGamingStuff]

Time traveler kicks a rock the flying scottsmen in a different timeline:

[@jamesdunloptrains]

Very interesting video today Sam love the new locomotives lol

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks James! :D

[@jacobhampshire1181]

I tried making a monster before, I had a tender driven flying Scotsman and loco driven tornado. The 2 clips between the locos and tenders were reversed and I could put the 2 locos together. It was a monster but couldn't go round curves! I didn't alter them so I can do this simply any time I want.

[@SamsTrains]

Awesome!! What happened on the curves?! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@jacobhampshire1181]

@@SamsTrains the loco body's fought on eachother and caused it to derail. Still looked cool though

[@jacobhampshire1181]

@samstrains the loco body's cought on eachother and caused it to derail. Still looked cool though

[@warrensmall670]

This was awesome. You should reveiw the engine to the old tender driving one. You could have a diesel push it around. Or even better, you could have another tender driven locos tender push it around. An LNER corridor tender would be funny. Just an idea. Great video as always!

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I probably could do actually - there must be something I could do with it! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@vovalikuha5291]

Henry: how many tenders do I need? Duck: 6.

[@thomasmcelroy3637]

that was a lot of fun mate. yeah i like it. well done cheers tom

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Tom! :D

[@MrBnsftrain]

This reminds me of how the real General Motors FT was sold. Although it is basically four diesel locomotives with drawbars connecting each of them, General Motors originally sold the quartet as one locomotive. Later models such as the F3 weren't in fixed configurations so each part could be considered a separate locomotive

[@SamsTrains]

Wow really?! So there was something similar in real life? These things never cease to amaze! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@tonierbuckle0202]

In American railroading with excursions, its not uncommon for steam engines to have a second tender for water, examples are the union Pacific 844 and 4014, the Norfolk and western 611, or the southern Pacific 4449. So an idea i have is somehow remove the coal in the second tender and somehow retrofit it to look like a water tender so it doesn't look as goofy with the coal in the tender farther from the engineer and fireman

[@SamsTrains]

That's very cool! Guessing they're not both coal tenders like this though! xD Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ghostlygunner43]

Great video as usual Sam, the older schools class and packaging looked mint I would love to know how much it was? Keep well 🙂

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot JJ! It was unusually cheap - less than £50! I therefore suspect the owner may have known about the motor issues. Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@leroyholm9075]

Hi Sam Interesting as ever. What about 4472 Flying Scotsman because that actually did run with two tenders, way back when it first ran in private ownership due to the disapearance of water troughs

[@SamsTrains]

Very true! I just chose a loco that could have traction tyres on both units though - that's how you get the power! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ianhartley395]

Whimsy for the win! Don’t let any naysayers derail your entertaining experiments Sam! Thanks again!

[@SamsTrains]

haha thank you - they never will - I just wanted to publicly say that their objections were firmly ignored! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ianhartley395]

Sam'sTrains haha yes. Excellent plan.

[@robbyboy03]

Were the ringfield motors ever very strong?

[@danielwalker2613]

What a beast !! ... Maybe buy a spare tender shell so the liveries match if you intend on keeping this connected ? ... Well done you.

[@davidbugler4597]

The two motors are of course connected in parallel. I'm no electrician, but possibly if you connected the two motors in series -- more wiring, of course -- you might find that their back EMF 'controlled' their respective torques better. That is, when one was pushing harder the other would speed up to match. Could be worth a try.

[@SamsTrains]

That's a pretty interesting idea David - maybe that's worth a try! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@alcyonegasperz1069]

So are you going to remove the coal in the second tender if you want to add ya know pracitality and looks

[@SamsTrains]

I suppose I could do, but I didn't really build this for realism! xD Merry Christmas - Sam :)

[@theangelsmodellingandrailways]

Funny, and one of your best experiments and successful too. It is truly a monster loco.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much! It is right?!? !:D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@zanefraser714]

The concept of a multiple unit driven steam locomotive is impressive, most likely would have to work with electricity to work, like a Tesla turbine driven generator and motor's driving the tender, I could probably see this being used in some "steaming further" locomotive concept, like a lner locomotive thats advertised has a train that can go 100 mph with more coaches. And the locomotive looks like A4 with tenders just has long has it self.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Zane! It would be cool to see this done, though not sure how necessary it really is! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@thesassieststorkalive5614]

You can use that spare non-loco drive as scrap on your layout or use it as spares and repairs. Just a thought merry Christmas x.

[@SamsTrains]

That's a good idea - I could totally do that! :D Merry Christmas - Sam :)

[@bjoe385]

The Railroad schools class looks nice.

[@SamsTrains]

I agree - it is nice! :D

[@PennsyPappas]

1.4 ounces equals 5 ounces of drawbar pull which translates to about 70 or so free rolling 40ft boxcars on said straight and level track. My Broadway Limited Imports 2-10-4 without the tires have basically the same pulling force for reference. So I guess for a small 4-4-0 that is quite the rest for sure.

[@nikolaparker3158]

Frankenstein is the train!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!👽

[@SamsTrains]

haha absolutely!! ;D

[@apples5503]

Awesome experiment Sam, really enjoyed that! Do you have a specific video on servicing a tender drive engine? I watched with interest the fast forward version and I have a lot of tender drive loco’s. Cheers, Mark. P.S. just found 2 of your videos 👌

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much mate! I don't have a specific one - just the videos on the ringfield motors, so that's what you need! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@gamerfan8445]

Can you do booster tender for the A3, A4, P2, 9F. Also I want to see it pull a monster of a goods trains.

[@SamsTrains]

Great idea! Those could all be done probably! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@PhilPage227]

Very interesting. I would love to know how to add some weight to my Hornby Schools tender drive loco.

[@SamsTrains]

It's more difficult with the tender drive, as there's not much room in the tender - worth a try though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@michaelschultz5127]

He's just a little late, he made a new class, " monster school class" people will love it cheers mate

[@Scsigs]

You should do another one off these with a Flying Scotsman model.