Expert blasts OceanGate over submersible shortcuts: 'We can do this safely'

William Kohnen, chief of the Manned Underwater Vehicle Committee, blasted OceanGate for taking shortcuts with the Titan submersible.
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[@The-Based]

To Logitech’s credit.. That controller was probably the most well designed, rigorously tested and reliable sub-component of that entire vehicle 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@jptrainor]

Yes. Very reliable for operation at room temperature and atmospheric pressure.

[@tqlla]

Its definitely not logitechs fault. Though they should have used a wired controller.

[@deankruse2891]

That sub was rigorously tested and went through a professional development cycle. It was not independently certified but that does not mean it wasn’t agonizingly poured over. You are talking out of your ass

[@evwhizz]

@@jptrainor so there wasn't atmospheric pressure in the submersible?? It was cold too?? 🤔 🤡

[@BTCxyz369]

These controllers are used on Nuclear subs it's not uncommon and most likely where Mr in a Rush got the idea from...

[@roycem4945]

This wasn't an accident. It was preventable negligence and an arrogant abuse of the system. How NOT to design and test a submersible. -- (as experts have stated) -- The reckless choices of using carbon fiber for the hull - and gluing it (epoxy) to titanium - and the hull's shape "tube" & window were all points of failure. And the several dives weaken the materials.

[@jpmkiv]

There is video of the process, and it's not even a tight fit..

[@roycem4945]

epoxy on metal - gee that is just a like a weld (cough-cough) I am surprised they didn't use LEGO SNAP in place

[@Berkcam]

When I saw the epoxy being layed-in with a trowel and the Titanium ring being lowered on to it I immediately wanted to dive it 😏

[@andanandan6061]

It is absolute joker design. He got only 1 titanium ring at each end. Both rings fitted to CF hull in male-female type joint. We can see the titanium rings fitted as the the female section hence both rings didn't even act as stiffener/framing. We know cylinder shape like that has weakest point at the middle. If He cared to spent some more money to get 2 extra inner rings for the middle section, install longitudinal stiffener connecting front inner ring, middle inner ring and aft inner ring all arround circumference of the cylinder skin, I think the submersible at least can last longer at that pressure.

[@roycem4945]

@@andanandan6061 as they said the cycles of use would be not cost effective. And the shape is proven NOT to be idea for deep diving.

[@jorelldye4346]

*DELAMINATION is when microscopic tears between the fibers in carbon fiber composite start to build up over time with each contraction and expansion from diving and surfacing. Carbon fiber accumulates damage over time that cannot be (easily) inspected. Steel, on the other hand, returns to its original shape. So does ceramic and acrylic. Damage does not accumulate from one dive to the next. With CF, each dive adds new tears and the old tears remain. Once it gets to the point where water presses into the delaminated layers, the delamination intensifies quickly until catastrophic failure. For this reason, composites are avoided for deep sea vessels in favor of contiguous materials.*

[@katherineberger6329]

Carbon fiber is GREAT for building a pressure vessel that has to hold pressure IN (high tensile strength). It's terrible for building a pressure vessel that has to hold pressure OUT (low compressive strength).

[@jorelldye4346]

@@katherineberger6329 Yes! It's much easier to crush CF than to pull it apart. Nevertheless the delamination component is still an issue when CF is used in high pressure storage tanks - just less so.

[@paranoyd70]

And the CEO was warned of this numerous times by multiple experts, and the CEO ignored ALL of them. Utter arrogance & stupidity.

[@ricktbdgc]

​@@katherineberger6329yeah they got it backward

[@kazuo9721]

@@katherineberger6329 That doesn't make sense, so why not just use the carbon fiber inside out?

[@dezznuts35]

Carbon fiber hull was stupid for a Craft for multi deep dives

[@Mario-to6tl]

if carbon is so stupid,why on earth they successfully go down to the Titanic 10 times know all Nippon ho got no recognize before are experts,you are never build a toilet dad works

[@matcha910]

Carbon fiber would have worked for one dive…..but he needed to do NDI testing and redo the hull each time which he didn’t do

[@ToreDL87]

Even Titanium hulls are constantly inspected, the rigors of such depths plays a number on all pressure vessels, regardless what material they're made out of.

[@obe124]

@@ToreDL87 true to an extent, but their is most definitely a material combination that can be made to endure the onslaught at these extreme depths.

[@ToreDL87]

@@obe124 Oh absolutely, but not for repeated cycles without inspection. This sub was built to have center section (The carbon bit) replaced for every expedition, which never happened. And even then it was still too much of a risk. In addition it was a cylindrical shape, not as strong as spherical, so another "no-no" for deep dives. And the list continues like that, one thing after the next, either one of which is enough to spell certain death at not even 1/30th the depth Titanic resides at.

[@Sandiego1976md]

I'm in international waters I can do what I want... That kinda arrogance lead to this. There's regulations for a reason.

[@Z_RLBXY]

"Theres a reason we don't make helicopters out of wood." -Nimbus Terrafaux

[@moronfromouterspace2972]

LOL! "WOW what a cool Chopper..what's she made out of?".. "PINE"... ........."huh"..

[@annomyous1]

Knotty pine. Mmmm baby

[@annomyous1]

When knotty pine and the bush meet. Saplings

[@ryanhampson673]

The Bell 47’s blades are still made out of wood…Lol

[@bidoro_12]

It woodn't fly

[@carlosoruna7174]

Aperently the 5 inch thick carbon fibre shell made cracking noises on all previous dives.. crackin carbon fibre is very reassuring..

[@tonyblanchett6434]

😅Theranos all over again - "I know better than the experts."

[@jaydubya9265]

Cracking mean some form of tearing right?

[@jamesnguyen7069]

there was a video of hispanic youtuber who crash it into a rock last year. i think that damaged the hull. game over

[@rottweilertrainingUK]

​@@jamesnguyen7069eeek. I haven't seen that video, only the one where another passenger said when he was in it, you could tell you were going deeper as it started cracking more and more.

[@BeStupidWithIntent]

@@jaydubya9265 eh yeah kinda, just think of glass breaking. It cracks into sections and then falls apart.

[@robertbolivarr8363]

My great grandad told me he got to see the titanic and from the beginning he was shouting "don't get on that ship" he repeatedly shouted this until he was kicked out of the cinemas.

[@aeptacon]

is there more to that story?

[@powerhouse884]

Old joke…. 😂

[@aeptacon]

@powerhouse884 oh I didn't read the last part of the sentence LOLLL

[@deniseb4426]

@@aeptacon He survived.

[@bronxbearbud272]

I remember him well. He immediately came into the cinema next door where I was watching "Alien" and started yelling "Look out for the alien! Look out for the alien!"

[@ruthbanon6049]

If all the different countries (i.e. their tax-payers) have to fit the bill of paying for the search and rescue operations, then these tourist companies had better be made to get certified.

[@Charmander009]

Considering these billionaires have paid 20x thr tax u paid . They deserve thr rescue for free . They already paid for it 10x over

[@bonniejulien8505]

for most super wealthy folks, this excursion was exciting for them to do.

[@highlyfavored2434]

​@@Charmander009so its a myth that the wealthy pay less taxes compared to the rest of the population?

[@TheJacasserie]

@@Charmander009Do you think billionaires are paying taxes at the same tax rate that you and I are!!???? Think again. Tax shelters being just one way they avoid paying their fare share.

[@misterfunnybones]

@@Charmander009 The ~11 trillion held offshore by ~2000 individuals is proof that your statement is bunk. They lobby for tax avoidance schemes, they have an army of tax lawyers & accountants to manufacture personal income amounts building wealth all the while, & some even use philanthropy to avoid tax then threaten to take it away if even the idea of a wealth tax is suggested, weaponizing their philanthropy?! What planet are you on?

[@Prophet_Google]

*Avoiding not having to comply with regulations and inspections because of cost... This happens!*

[@TaurusHere]

No. Rich IDIOTS with Nothing Better to do and THIS HAPPENS

[@nikotheophanis8795]

Its not the sub that inherintly dangerous that thing was defiantly safe 1500 meters thats what the plexiglass was rated for but the went down over double what it was rated for

[@hotdog9262]

@@nikotheophanis8795 probably failed in the glued on bit between the titanium and carbon fiber hull. the hull was way to thin(and poorly made) and even thinner there on the lip

[@letsgobrandon7297]

Rush and the company should be sued, I’m sure all the corners he cut wasn’t added to the waiver.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

I've seen their waiver and I assure you all the corners on it were intact!

[@misterfunnybones]

@@mirandahotspring4019 The waiver literally reads, "Ready to die in a death trap?" YES ▢ NO ▢ Signature:_________________________

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@nomenclature9607 What rights apply here?

[@mark6302]

they're gonna have a hell of a time getting him to show up to court

[@letsgobrandon7297]

@mirandahotspring4019: 😂.

[@20PINKluvr]

It wasnt really a setback it was just poor engineering who didnt listen to the "old guys" and their "old ways". Old ways are safe ways.

[@SealAngel]

Darkseid - "Ready the Armada"... "We will use the old ways".

[@cfalletta7220]

Don’t fix what isn’t broken to design a sub like this and not get it certified is unacceptable if any professional went over this sub they would have said to not get in it

[@DiandraStarShine]

MANY DID say not to get in it..only the gag order re: the previous court cases after Rush/OceanGate fired their own director who, as tasked with, looked into & reported on his concerns re: safety issues + also re: all the efforts the director made to get info deliberately hidden from him about the integrity of the viewing portal..there's so much to this tragedy that it seems many are not aware of.

[@evwhizz]

It costs millions of dollars to get certification! OceanGate is a NON profit company!

[@thelastperfectman4139]

No doubt this accident will come down to the folly of using carbon fibre -under such extreme pressures a composite material presents risks and hasn’t been adequately tested. And there should be rules of some sort even in international waters ensuring standards for vessels carrying passengers.

[@kayladenette2050]

@@evwhizznon-profits still must have expenses! also non-profit simply means the money is reinvested

[@tamara6212]

​@@evwhizzNot anymore 😢

[@billjones261]

Agree he seconded the safety factors for the sake of costs, running quickly to make a million $$$$ for every dive made by the vessel , this apathetic expediency cost him his life and the lives of the others. 🙁 Problem too is that the outer shell cover would hide any fractures in the carbon fibre core

[@mrmelmba]

The joystick controller unwittingly evidences the true nature of the submersible. It is that of a toy.

[@godfellas483]

To be fair, the joystick wasn't the problem here...

[@sdvcv]

I blame journalists for highlighting this fact as if it meant something bad. it's actually state of the art and not an innovation of this sub. navy subs use xbox controllers.

[@cmg575]

why build your own control device when you can use a device with standardized manufacturing and has been tested through millions of hours of usage

[@angellestat2730]

​@@rightwingcollectiveiq what is the point for a control to work under 4000 m deep? if the control should be in the same place were humans are which is at 1 atm pressure. If you have 400 Atm of pressure inside the cabin, then it would not matter if the control fails.. because everyone would be death. Also.. we can make the argument that those control are design to prevent fires or other issues that may put users on danger. After all, those are sell over the whole world, if something is wrong in the design everyone is on risk. How do you know if you design your own control if it does not have more chances to fail or generate a short circuit?

[@cbcdesign001]

@@sdvcv Its indicative of the mentality of the company, that's the point.

[@kt11540]

One of the previous passenger said that they heard cracking noises on the way ... Why did the owner still proceeded to drive this thing, pretending like you didn't hear the crackling.

[@GH-oi2jf]

OceanGate was operating on the fringes of the deep ocean industry. This incident does not tarnish the industry generally.

[@MusaMecanica]

Hence the PR preemptive strike.

[@jamesnguyen7069]

if it was operationg on the fringes, someone was upset and made sure they were put out of business.

[@joefish6091]

@@jamesnguyen7069 They were advised to use better engineering, Stockton-Rush and Tony Nissen knew better. Btw they scrubbed Tony Nissen's (Oceangate chief engineer) Linkedin page. He prob will go back to making cakes now.

[@hobbyelectronics6630]

Require certification of all vessels that carry passengers and make the companies involved in high risk adventures post a bond for rescue services. Regardless if they operate in international waters the company should be regulated by the country in which it is registered.

[@yooperlite]

No.

[@powerhouse884]

They should be Fined over this, its the least they should get.

[@k9thundra]

An airplane needs to be certified before it can fly, submersibles should be certified before they can dive.

[@conradmeek5142]

Makes perfect sense to me, particularly when operating for profit.

[@justtam779]

​@@powerhouse884I agree. So many resources they used ( probably) already knowing it imploded.

[@glengrieve544]

May all the victim's rest in eternal peace ✌️ and my deepest condolences go to the families of the poor souls who were lost on the titan ❤❤❤❤❤

[@TaurusHere]

They are Responsible for their Own Deaths, with the exception of the 19 year old

[@stuartmenziesfarrant]

There is a huge difference between scientists experimenting and a tourist trip! These needs to be highlighted in law.

[@chrisj2511]

Very well said

[@simonh6371]

This company scammed them by designating them ''mission specialists'' not tourists.

[@ManoredRed]

@@derk3933 The ships can just be held at port in national waters. No certification, no going anywhere.

[@kirishima638]

I know its morbid but I hope the events leading to implosion were delayed enough that Stockton realised how badly he fucked up.

[@eirikrdberg1161]

The problem isn’t extreme depth diving. The problem is Stockton Rush who we’re rid of now.

[@ericeandco]

Time to close the loopholes on international law regarding international waters. This sub didn’t just materialize in international waters. They should have been stopped. The company and its executives should be held accountable.

[@kingdomrunt]

*_All the money in the world would not have been worth that voyage._*_ But speaking of money, wouldn't the mother-ship (the sea ship that released the Titan) be liable for KNOWING the failed codes/standards/regulations and STILL assisted their release?_

[@ekop1778]

NOT WORTH THE 250K

[@MissX905]

How would the ship owners know about how safe or unsafe this submersible was tho? They were just hired to tow the platform with the submersible on it to the Titanic wreck site. Maybe the submersible shouldn't have been towed out all across the ocean. I thought something like this submersible should have been carried onboard the ship as I seen other pictures of it on a rack/grate on the back of a ship before. Did the company do it different this time if so why?

[@kingdomrunt]

@@MissX905 _The Titan owner didn't own the mother ship & it's crew?_

[@MissX905]

@@kingdomrunt No the Polar Prince was just chartered for this "mission" Ocean Gate I'm sure had some of their crew onboard just for this mission. But how experienced was the Ocean Gate's crew?

[@eleanorcoughlan5543]

Be must safer to visit the Titanic in Belfast where the Titanic was built the experience is like being on the Titanic itself much safer..

[@SarahWRah]

Who pays for the search efforts, the recovery and the accident report?

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Although its easy to count up the cost, remember that most of the responders were Coast Guard, Navy, and Air Force elements that would be getting paid whatever they were doing. To use those resources in a real situation like this provides an excellent opportunity in terms of gaining experience, coordination between differences of different services and problem solving.

[@nimmha6708]

they paid more taxes than you ever will plus children and grandchildren. Foh

[@zangetsu1597]

​@nimmha6708 If you're not gonna answer the question then stfu. Since it was international waters, it is certainly a valid question.

[@jamesnguyen7069]

oceangate will be sent the bill. just like when u go hiking and need a helicopter. duh

[@yassm]

Every taxpayer paid, including them. That's why its a service free of charge because we all pay to use it, even rich submariners which in all honest probably pay more taxes in a month than you will do your whole life, if we wanna go by your standards of lets save only those who can afford it.

[@bend8353]

The camping world lighting had more certification than the entire sub. At least the so called CEO was in it so he can't try this again!

[@Antares2]

That might be true, but I doubt it would be allowed on any offshore installation or ship where "fire-safe certified" equipment is required. Any off the shelf piece of electronics that isn't certified can create sparks that can cause a fire. The fact that he used non-cerfified electronics all over the submersible is simply baffling. And I am sure that would have to be replaced if he ever wanted to get the submersible legally certified for passenger transport... which is why he didn't care about that. Now, fire wasn't the cause of this accident, but just because it was a different design flaw that destroyed it doesn't mean the fire hazard with all thise cheap electronics was nullified.

[@freddyjisp6452]

The fact that this is so dangerous only adds to the allure. Start up culture works best at sea level, yes I agree. With great wealth comes a sense that not even the laws of physics apply. Next it will be 'Blue Origin' that blows up. Hamish has been in that tin can - A question to ask is how does this affect space exploration on the private side? All those trying to pencil their initials on the Moon, Mars etc. have disrupted and destroyed industries on Earth (where they hate humanity) so they can play in space. This Titan is an anomaly that puts to bed a lot of repeats - but the question is: Private enterprise blasting off to space... OK, regulated endeavors - But the gov't needs to step in and take charge - instead of allowing private industry to explore worlds for the betterment of their bottom line. Greed and ego destroyed the Titan - Human 'virtues', so lets talk about our greed ....

[@hobbyelectronics6630]

If they want to operate high risk ventures make then post a bond to cover the cost to tax payers. Allow innovation, allow exploration, but lets not call tourism exploration.

[@yassm]

@@hobbyelectronics6630 SAR missions dont discriminate based on wealth so no. Also I wanna add that they probably pay more taxes in a month than you will do your whole life, so if we want to go by lets save only those who can afford it, they will be saved 10 times over while you stay dead.

[@adityaakaul]

The PlayStation controller didn't destroy the sub, but it reflected the company's culture. A gung-ho attitude may be cool in a company creating a new app but not an engineering/manufacturing company with literal life-and-death stakes.

[@wingtipvortex]

Insane. They took a sub down that wasn’t certified. End of story. Manslaughter. Negligence on the upmost level. Regardless of signing’s of a waiver. Irresponsibility at the top level. Ocean gate should be held responsible.

[@jackiepowell7513]

You must be ill educated. Disclaimers very specific and signrd.

[@mrmrsbrooks3263]

Surely they had some sort of protocol in place to test the integrity of the hull before each dive considering they were using experimental material. Madness…

[@ophira2113]

I just heard a friend of the CEO describing “cracking”sounds in the hull during its testing/ early dives in shallower waters, to which the CEO explained away to be “normal” or expected of carbon fiber materials!

[@rottweilertrainingUK]

​@@ophira2113I was horrified. He said you could tell you were getting deeper by the sound alone, as the cracking noise increased 😮

[@melodiefrances3898]

They didn't. ☹️

[@fredsmith4134]

it would not have passed certification on the view port alone, it was at a depth over twice it's rating anyway, and that is the simplest answer, that the view port gave way and blew the two titanium end caps off ???

[@DB-hb1go]

I feel there might be a few Oceangate admins shredding some paperwork tonight.

[@jaynasher7720]

Lets face it, sounds like a real shitshow company..

[@tishkerrville8942]

💯

[@Music4mee1]

And the fact that he fooled Billionaires into this is mind boggling! Real brain washing sounds like for them to give in to 250K to go on this. This is one big common sense "NO" !

[@mrkiop67]

The load case is the cause... the application of carbon fibre composite was not appropriate!

[@arnepianocanada]

What I *hate is the disaster porn aspect of Titanic tourism. Go respectfully for research purposes, not to leer at this crumbling artifact of human horror.

[@peaceseeker9927]

Informative reporting 👏. It was outrageous for Stockton to reject the certification process and known safety concerns and then be reckless enough to take passengers with him. The billionaire passenger apparently thought the vessel was safe because it had made successful trips before.

[@deborahparise5566]

"...it could have been worse, John, a lot worse..." said a technician who informed his ceo of glitches, and the ceo went on anyway.

[@michaelcastro6731]

Just Googled to get a better understanding of the material used in the construction of the Titan, which states ' Carbon fiber will break or shatter when it's compressed, pushed beyond its strength capabilities or exposed to high impact. What were you thinking Rush?

[@toomanyaccounts]

Aerospace engineer refused to listen to experts in other fields. Aerospace is not the oceans

[@Ed-uz6em]

He had the company headquartered in the Bahamas

[@fredsmith4134]

the simplest explanation would be the view port which was rated at less than half the depth of where the vessel was at, just cracked and gave way, the in rush of water blew the two titanium end caps off ???

[@MrPink-zw4ho]

This should have happened during test trials where you could say "Glad no tourist were onboard" when it imploded.

[@dickjohnson6927]

It still passed the tests, in fact the same sub had already been to the titanic site before about 5 times or so, problem is most likely the material gradually wore out with each trip, until it completely cracked eventually, point is there was no way to tell when it would eventually fail

[@handsoffmygunmf6750]

I can't believe he used a logitech video game controller. For a sub going that deep, he should have had a sony playstation controller.

[@luke14946]

That's clearly a joke, right? (that they should've used a Sony Playstation Controller)

[@okanaganrider4332]

I have an old DreamCast.

[@scudger99]

That retro look......

[@Notyourphone.]

Perhaps a stuck button causing them to ram something unintentionally.

[@KeepingOnTheWatch]

The scientifically correct choice would've been a joystick from Atari 2600.

[@mochi4u1]

Anyone know how many times the vessel was tested at that depth? I haven’t heard anything about the amount of testing that went into it.

[@dannac_8888]

But it was only operational for a year, yes?

[@sean_43]

​@@robertthompson5445it was it's third dive not it's 22nd according to all online sources I've seen.

[@gregjsinclair]

Will forever be known as the Suicide Sub

[@darkprince56]

I know very little about engineering or physics but even I questioned many things, like the lack of gaskets where they joined those end caps to the tube & how 17 bolts to shuт the entrance seemed too few….oh & using carbon fiber (which seemed too thin to me).

[@Dandelion_flight]

Wow his answers to all the questions are so on point and wise.

[@Wesley.Grapes]

Knowing the risk i just don't get why he went forward, risking lives. Was he suicidal? Did he have a death wish?

[@Antares2]

Arrogance. Feeling of invincibility. Surrounded by yes-men. Take your pick.

[@northlandrider5396]

I think it was pretty obvious to Rush that his company was going to fail. Shyster.

[@KeepingOnTheWatch]

Even if it was fully certified I still wouldn't have gone.

[@deborahparise5566]

The commentaries evoke memories of reading the book "Jurassic Park" by M. Crichton, and his description of the mentality of the genetic exploration companies, the lawyers and CEOs in that book.

[@someguy2332]

I dont think theres an amount of money you could pay me to go down there

[@jamesnguyen7069]

i will pay u 100000000000000000000

[@PEPEATVONLINE]

Rich men take risks

[@mark6302]

id go in james camerons sub

[@carolynkernan939]

The poor boy terrible his parents took this chance

[@jptrainor]

If it was illegal in Canada, how and why did it sail out of St. John's?

[@deniseb4426]

A ship sailed out of St. John's, not a the sub.

[@jptrainor]

The sub was on the ship. No?

[@Strawb_Goblin]

Its the closest port city to the Titanic site

[@lesleyphillips8146]

​@@jptrainorNO, it was not on a ship at all. It was towed. The vessel was hired for the tow out to the Titanic, they would not know anything about certifications.

[@dannac_8888]

​Wait- The vessel was hired to tow the submersible from St. John's out to the Titanic site, ok. But they keep referring to the "mothership" where Oceangate's staff were monitoring the event and in contact with the submersible. Are you inferring the staff was onboard the hired tow boat or did they have another Oceangate boat accompany the tow boat out to the site that was in contact with them?

[@quantumcat7673]

Response to the question of the expert : what caused the implosion? Me : the pressure?

[@disclaimer.imjokin]

Water pressure coming down on ne

[@user-qk2kk6eo8u]

"Theres a reason we don't make helicopters out of wood." -Nimbus Terrafaux. "Theres a reason we don't make helicopters out of wood." -Nimbus Terrafaux.

[@glen6463]

250k to go down to the bottom of the ocean in that? I wouldn’t have gone if I’d been paid that amount. I’m obviously not a thrill seeker.

[@ChloAbssz]

That CEO seemed money hungry made cheap crap and charged 250k to line his pockets but worked out for the worst.

[@billquantrill4960]

Merchant.

[@pattaccone5347]

I would not have got in that thing on land let alone 12,000 feet down Just seems crazy

[@mrz6480]

So many experts. With no consistent Info🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔.

[@johnwang9914]

I'm surprised they were able to successfully market their tourism service without meeting certification in a reasonably respected country. Many certifications are only voluntary and hence only market forces require them so could this just be a matter of ignorance by the consumers and not defining political governance of international waters?

[@jptrainor]

And they sailed out of St. John's. No questions asked apparently.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@jptrainor They sailed out with an experimental sub on deck as cargo. Nothing illegal about that.

[@MarkReda-hy5ey]

The regulations should be based on what country you're based in not what waters you end up in.

[@northlandrider5396]

Like that worked really well with Liberian-registered shipping 🤣

[@FatgirlMickey]

3 families need to sue the s*** out of Ocean Gate

[@michaelmccannon3670]

They knew they were dead two days before admitting their demise so how come they weren’t honest with the public

[@MimsicalRenegade]

Sonic Comms Shattered It Like A Wine Glass 🍷 PING!...... POP! Resonance

[@pielord177]

I've been friends with Will's son since 3rd grade. Pretty crazy to see him on the news

[@metime4325]

Just because we CAN do it doesn't mean we SHOULD do it

[@Artnotforthesakeofart]

Apparently not even "can" in this case

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@Artnotforthesakeofart It had done at least two successful dives on the Titanic before.

[@bruss529]

The answer would seem to be not allowing experimental craft to be used to grift rich tourists.

[@geraldcrawford2136]

It banged into something which caused it to implode with pressure that comes from being under water

[@Hattenford]

Only have sympathy for the teenager murdered, the rest were grown adults. stockton rush, oceangate expeditions, and all its employees murdered "the crew". Also, that billionaire guy was just as culpable in the murder of his young son. Shameful events.

[@markuschelios6891]

Purposely heading into 60,000 of pressure in an uncertified experimental vessel and dying is a tragedy?

[@kirishima638]

If you’ve got $250,000, hire a proper sub.

[@ErLeuchten]

you cant blame the passengers. they have traveled half across the globe without seeing the vessel up close. iam sure they questioned few things after arriving and even more after getting into the vessel in the middle of the ocean, but said eff it, looking at pilots experience chart and knowing that this company had many successfull dives in their portfolio. i blame the pilot, he should have never took that xbox controller in his hands.!

[@Antares2]

@@ErLeuchten Actually, you can blame the passengers to some degree. I assume that these billionaires have access to the internet and could do some research before signing up. I mean, most tourists will research whatever place they are going to, whether it's the hotel quality or the safety of the city at night or whatever. As you should. Putting yourself in danger because of ignorance is one thing. Putting yourself in danger because of ignorance despite the information being readily available is quite another.

[@ErLeuchten]

@@Antares2 "access to the internet" what you think they have found in internet? i tell you what, that the pilot had 30 years experience and that such an incident never happened.! i dont blame you too, because i know it is easier to blame others ,-)

[@indylwth2327]

If I had oodles and oodles of money, I would have loved to go see the Titanic BUT I would have researched the hell out of the company and sub. No way I would have gone down in a sub that was bolted closed from the outside and that’s just for starters!

[@Antares2]

Exactly. It's not like these billionaires couldn't afford something better.

[@doomoore4133]

Very true sir

[@twylah9047]

From all who are speaking on this vessel, It was negligence...

[@karlw5981]

The waters may be international, but Oceangate Inc. was based in Washington. This submersible’s operations could have been regulated.

[@itsallinthehead]

All these “friends” of the guy. All these “experts.” ‘Everybody told him’.

[@danpate3825]

Everyone going mad jumping on the hype train... allow me to remind you all that Challenger 2 built by a national space program exploded while civilians were on board. Mistakes happen.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Leave the _Titanic_ site alone.

[@geraldstiling3735]

To quote Scott Manley. 🗣️The Logitech🎮 controller had more product testing and rigorous📝👀 scrutiny than the rest of the sub.🛀 Personally I would have used an XBOX controller.

[@gem3132]

Captain Crunch: Darwin award.

[@rasistefanos1]

Not a submarine, it's a submersible...whatever it was, we can all agree it was substandard.

[@simonchaddock3694]

How would certification hhave made it any safer than it was

[@fuzzybutkus8970]

Why didn’t he say all this before the accident.

[@Momtastic243]

he is spot on with his details. It's political

[@katherineberger6329]

Guy kicked out everyone who told him he was taking stupid risks and kept yes-men, like a reverse Darth Vader.

[@johnnyl7567]

At this point recovery should be abandoned. Lesson learned.

[@yassm]

why? they will recover the debris to do an investigation on what caused the implosion

[@ricktbdgc]

About the hull... carbon fiber strong under tension not compression, it was designed for a 7 inch thick hull, they got 5 inch thick. There was handles, tv screens and stuff bolted into the hull directly (weak points), there was light bars embedded in the hull.. wtf.. i watched the oceangate documentary, it actually looked comfortable in there , the passengers were enjoying the titanic experience despite a thruster installed backwards that made it go in circles

[@RobertB56]

When it came to cutting corners Ocean Gates Titan raised the bar

[@GeoffInfield]

His qualifications were in aerospace where the INSIDE of the vehicle is at higher pressure and the maximum differential is ONE bar. The way he talks about carbon fiber being the best material is entirely based on that - carbon fiber loves being in TENSION, not compression. The titanium end caps prevented the ends compressing, so there would have been irregular deformation from end to end, not great for composites which will ALWAYS have a point of failure, in this case about 15 cycles. Honestly, he approached this as if it was an aeroplane - does the carbon fiber make the hull stronger than just pure resin when it's COMPRESSED? I'm honestly not sure, I DO know that it's perfect for 787 and A350 fuselages 🤬

[@brigidsingleton1596]

From a layperson perspective, the only suitable certification for Titan and the project involving taking paying customers down too visit Titanic, was one of complete insanity. Fully certified Insanity would be the fairest. Waiver to sign away a life, especially if a fan of Titanic persuading a son to go with him to see the shipwreck close up and in person as opposed to safely at home watching a Dr.Rob Ballard or a James Cameron video of her. R.I.Titan and all those who sailed in him. Why him and bit her for the Titan... Simply because it looks like a male member including the eye viewport, that's whyP

[@brigidsingleton1596]

Edit Rest In Peace

[@anthonyhenderson2930]

The CEO admitted negligence in his videos. I don't think that's even a debate. More laws will probably be enforced now. It's very very sad that these human beings lost their lives. Even if they made the choice to go down.

[@mikesorensen5228]

what i gather is that carbon composites are the wrong choice for submersibles. They work best under tension to keep internal forces in. It's quite similar to why no one anywhere ever has worn lululemon pants to make their booty look bigger.

[@aaronyork3995]

"Ocean Weight" Or "Ocean Fate"

[@LaLa615]

He kinda reminds me of a French James Cameron

[@computerpro123abc]

THIS SUB WAS NOT CERTIFIED, NOT LEGAL IN USA

[@robertturner1550]

There are bold pilots and there are old pilots but there are no old bold pilots!

[@reinforcedpenisstem]

Dont ban visiting the deep ocean. Just limit the passenger to 1.

[@davidbradford8542]

The reason Stockton Rush didn't go through the certification process is because he would not get it. Stockton Rush was of the opinion that no certification is better then a failed certification.

[@CupidFromKentucky]

"Show your papers before you leave a port" No..

[@strechinpick]

Oceangate chose to pursue design and construction completely counter to the industry standards. They should be made an example of but not used as a way to shut down the industry!

[@sesvaoffice8331]

there's the thirst for romanticism and thrill seeking - going to view a grave site. then there is scientific exploration undertaken with stringent testing and regulation. it's a bit foolish to question all submersible technology in the context of titan and a narcissists irresponsible actions.

[@chantaldubois5365]

This thing was anything but safe!