Explaining FERRUS MANUS To My Girlfriend | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@NUMBSKULLS]

Apologies that there's a bit of a volume difference between us! This, Fulgrim, and Valkia the Bloody's episode was recorded before we got a microphone upgrade so going forward audio should be clean! ❤💙

[@Miodude]

Im preety sure it has something to do with the hands.

[@samankucher5117]

awesome episode cant wait for the next one . because fulgrim is still out there i expect a chunky episode and that would be awesome :0

[@LauchlinM.]

So there _is_ a Fulgrim episode oncoming. Excellent. Might I also ask when/if the Explaining Digimon episode will be?

[@EvilDMMk3]

I’m looking forward to your episode on Fulgrim. One thing I’ve always found fascinating about him is that he has the backstory you’d expect Peter Turbo to have, and Peter Turbo has his backstory. Between the two of them which one do you expect to have been raised a pampered princeling and which one do you expect, to literally clawed the way up from the sludge of a crippled industrial world?

[@ModernRep1952]

I hope you mention the meme around Fulgrim and clones of Ferrus in the next video. That shit was funny as hell when I found out about it.

[@blender7]

To clarify planet naming schemes; it's the same as star trek's system, where each planet is named after the star and given a number depending on which order they are from their star. So Earth would be known as Sol 3, since we're the 3rd planet from the star Sol.

[@ShatterAlpha]

You referred to HOLY TERRA as WHAT??!?

[@CEO-of-money]

You dare desecrate the name of Holy Terra to the likes of some outer agri-world? The Inquisition would like a word.

[@blender7]

@@CEO-of-money I am a servant of the Mechanicus. The inquisition can bite my shiny metal ass

[@CEO-of-money]

@@blender7 okay toaster boy, go jerk off to the ungodly amount of hidden DAoT war winning blueprints you have piled in your damn storage closet for no reason.

[@Brutalyte616]

That's not ENTIRELY true. Imperial cartographers generally assign an alphanumeric designation to most planets, usually those that haven't been colonized, but other worlds are given actual names. Case in point? Well, Earth is called Terra, the moon is still called Luna, Mars is still called Mars, and Pluto is still called Pluto, and none of these to my knowledge are listed as 'Sol-X' or what have you. Likewise, the typical naming convention of referring to planets by designators like 'Primus', 'Secundus' or 'Tertias' does happen, but then you have cases like, say, Armageddon Secundus, which isn't another planet in the Armageddon System, but rather just the southern hemisphere of Armageddon. Meanwhile Baal Secundus refers to Baalfor, one of the twin moons of Baal, but the moon of Kiavahr is called 'Deliverance'. So there isn't really any consistency in the naming conventions, which tracks when you consider that nobody even knows what the bloody years is in the Imperium due to issues with the calendar system for over 10,000 years.

[@wolfkniteX]

I've heard that it's poor edict to show up to a Warhammer 40K game with unpainted Minis but I can just imagine someone coming in to play with an army of unpainted Iron Hands and when someone calls them out on it they simply say, "Ferrus would not care if they were painted, only if they could be used".

[@Nelekmaar]

And if they don't like it, dunk them in a bucket of black paint and voilà. A 90% finished Iron Hands army.

[@louis7059]

​@Nelekmaar why does that seem like an unironically good idea

[@celiand2618]

​@@louis7059Because it is VERY close to the ACTUAL solution : spray paint. Psssccchiiiii and there you go, tin can.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

Ferrus Manus and the Iron Hands were primarily responsible for the field-testing and drafting of tactical doctrine concerning the use of numerous pieces of Astartes-Grade wargear, with their most notable contribution being Terminator armor. The Indomitus pattern suit that we all know and love today is a direct result of the Iron Hands’ tinkering. And their findings with their research informed a large portion of what would eventually become the Codex Astartes. If it involves terminators, dreadnoughts, or tanks, the Iron Hands wrote the book on it. As a result of their close work with the Mechanicum, they amassed the most technologically advanced armory out of all the Astartes legions, and they used it with pride and gusto in every battle they fought. For this reason, and many others, Horus greatly desired Ferrus to join him when he turned traitor. It’s also the reason that Horus was quaking in his frilly little gumboots when he found out Fulgrim tipped their hand, and Ferrus wasn’t going to be joining them for their rebellion. Horus orchestrated the Dropsite massacre to remove the Iron Hands from the field as quickly and cleanly as possible because he KNEW that the Iron Hands were going to be the biggest threat to his plans. Even if the traitors were able to annihilate the Iron Hands in the march to Terra, the traitors would be LIMPING into Terra’s orbit, if they even made it there at all. He had to get rid of them ASAP. And Istvaan didn’t even work all that well. It took the combined efforts of 8 traitor legions as well as numerous traitor Mechanicum and Exertis assets to bring down about 2/3rds of the legion, and even still, many of those Iron Hands survived the Dropsite massacre and went on to rally the Raven guard and salamanders into the Shattered Legions to be a MASSIVE pain in the ass for the traitors their whole way back to Terra. And besides, as someone who had a prosthetic leg from age 5, and always felt super self-conscious about it, I naturally gravitated towards the Iron Hands. They taught me that my leg isn’t holding me back, it’s a showing of my strength as a person, that I carry on despite being at a disadvantage.

[@Notbatman374]

The flesh is weak, but deeds endure, brother.

[@Dracobyte]

Thanks for the info dump!

[@geoffreyentwistle8176]

The hands talking about psychological issues somehow tickles my twisted sense of humor. 😂😂😂

[@senor-achopijo3841]

It's exactly why this channel should have 10 times more subscribers

[@kevinmccalister4602]

You know I keep thinking about the first Iron Hand to think hey guys let’s cut off our hand and replace it with a cyborg hand prosthetic hand. Dad’s gonna love it! Ferus comes home and 5 of his sons have permanently mutilated themselves he’s horrified internally but he just asks why? And when they say because we love you and want to be just like you… I honestly don’t think I could tell them yeah that’s stupid you idiots have disappointed me no one else do what these clowns did. So everyone else thinks oh okay sure dad liked that let’s all do it! Face palming Ferus meme

[@DetectiveLance]

Of all the Primarchs, Ferrus Manus always appeared to me as "elder brother" coded. Despite all the primarchs basically being the same age, he comes across as the oldest somehow, sometimes with a bit of a mentor status to him, but an imperfect one. He experienced tragedy early in a way few of his brothers did and mildly resented them for it even as he came to love them in a way he couldn't express. The Lion is the most emotionally closed off of them, another figure that is seen as somehow being an older brother among "equals", but I wish we'd gotten to see him and Ferrus interact more, because I feel like the two overly masculine primarchs might have found someone who understood the masks they both have to wear.

[@thewerdna]

It very much feels like the first few publicly found primarchs (Horus, Russ, and Ferrus) ended up as the quasi older siblings, but in different ways.

[@TheOnlyRealIRONicMAN]

@@DetectiveLance He was. Ferrus was respected by most, because he has proven his capabilities time and again, because his harsh, blunt nature lends itself to honest council. And, because he lead one of the most reliable Legions (turns out, drowning the opposition in heavy artillery fire and rolling over the remains with heavy tanks tends to annihilate stuff), not to mention he was for a time charged with leading a third of the Great Crusade's forces alongside Big E and Horus while Russ was still busy getting the hang of using speaking rather than bark and growl at everyone. Funnily enough, he was also the tallest of the Primarchs, standing a head taller (heh) than Vulcan, who was/is admittedly bulkier/broader than Ferrus; but how much of a role that bit played is debated xD

[@lonewolfsniper1000]

YES.

[@ReginaldWolfeActor]

Aw was a mega touching final few minutes of the vid

[@readsomebooks666]

Second oldest. The Lion is the oldest brother.

[@SleventyFive]

The discussion of the WE and Angron and the cancer analogy made me realize that the WE may see the butchers nails as shaving their heads in solidarity, but to Angron it's a bunch of people he already doesn't like saying "WE GAVE OURSELVES CANCER TO BE LIKE YOU! DO YOU LOVE US NOW?"

[@Erinya558]

Didn’t Angron force the nails on his men though? (Genuinely unsure)

[@rakshithanand8262]

@@Erinya558 Yes. And he did that because, to him, they weren't his men. His men died on Desh'ea. It's like meeting a 'nice guy' who stalks you and constantly talks big about how much they love you even though you neverknew them before. Eventually, he snapped and said "If you love me so much go lobotomize yourselves!". And they did. And he hated them for it.

[@Ruggedtoaster]

@@rakshithanand8262its also a point that gets brought up in the “Lord of the Red Sands” short story. Angron cradles one of the loyalist, a dying World Eater attacked him. Angron is proud of him for fighting so hard against him. He even smiles when the space marine points out that he wounded Angron. Angron has repeatedly said that if he believed if he was whole or a better person he would have turned on the Emperor from day one. He ends up ranting at the dying marine about how he is now free but it always read as a desperate attempt to convince himself. It seemed to be more about how he respects the choice to die for something rather than go along with something they don’t believe in. It is one of the stories that lays out Angron’s hypocrisy and self loathing, he wishes that he had taken another stand instead of bending to his father’s will when the emperor came for him.

[@senor-achopijo3841]

Me: "Oh, boy, another video by Numbskulls! Imma watch it!" Also me as I see the face-hands: "So this is gonna be one of THOSE days, is it?"

[@khylerbane4523]

“He is a skull ghost, a skost.” -Vulkan and Fulgrim describing seeing the ghost of Ferrus

[@filipnassen9076]

Vulkan and Corvus.

[@supremefankai5480]

The sadness of the Iron Hands in their obsession with bionics is best exemplified by their motto : "The Flesh is Weak". But it turns out it was said by Vulcan and the Chapter has forgotten about the second part of the quote. "The Flesh is Weak, but Deeds Endure." Really sad how it completely recontexualualises the motto yet the Iron Hands don't know or worse, don't care.

[@TheOnlyRealIRONicMAN]

The thing is, they really don't care for Ferrus in the same manner that other chapters revere their Primarch. Ferrus's death, to them, was the confirmation of everything they thought up to that point. Ferrus failed at Istvaan V, because his temper, his flesh got the better of him, causing him to make a rash decision, which lead to his death by the hands of this closest, most trusted brother, Fulgrim. Ferrus's death confirmed, that the flesh is weak, that having emotions makes one weak, that being human is a weakness. And so they became resentful of the flesh, of humanity, of being human(-ish, they're still Astartes). They hate with a passion, but to hate and to be passionate is a weakness to be excised. They try to conceil their hate and wrath behind the "logic" of the machine, behind the easily understandable, non-negotiable binary system of computation as a way to cope with the temper they probably inherit from Ferrus. All in an effort to distance themselves from being human. TL;DR: Yes, they don't care, because they really don't like Ferrus all that much.

[@Joromonni]

To be fair they are now starting to embrace their emotions, they probably wont stop bionics but they're progressing.

[@TheOnlyRealIRONicMAN]

@@Joromonni Kardan Stronos is trying to get them out of their habit, true, but as far as I know, he hasn't really been able to effect as much change as he'd like. Which is fair, about 10k years worth of dogma isn't easily erased... That being said: if you want Iron Hands that are in touch with their emotions, just look at the Red Talons :)

[@Dracobyte]

So sad...

[@PaimenPlays]

The psychological talk was really exciting to listen to! I had already heard the general details of the 40k story on so many great lore channels I at first didn't consider your content worth checking out. One day I was really bored and decided I could go for some 40k with a slightly different narration. Quickly I discovered that you two bring a load of personality and unique insight to these otherwise already familiar stories! Wholesome and introspective with fascinating personal anecdotes :) Subscribed and rang the bell👌

[@Techno963]

"I'll pretend to be a Salamander" Kari LIVES!!!! *Stomp *Stomp

[@senor-achopijo3841]

Kari LIVES!

[@jetlag3717]

I appreciate the name drop! Glad you liked my comment. As you said, it was mostly speculation and latching on to a character I relate to. I didn’t really go into it, but I find Ferrus’s relationship with his sons tragic. He has been taught and forced by his environment into this personification of toxic masculinity, and in an almost patriarchal way, forces his sons to learn the same lessons. When they begin the self mutilation, he realizes the harm of what he’s done, and the pain he has instilled. He really does care about them, and I think it’s a tragedy he never got to fulfill his promise of helping his sons overcome the hurt he had instilled in them. Not only was he hurt by stoicism, he hurt generations of his descendants with it as well. The Iron Hands and the Mechanicus are the same in obsession with removing the flesh, but they could not be more different in cause. The Mechanicus love being metal, the Iron Hands love nothing. They only hate being flesh. And it is all Ferrus’s fault.

[@connormcguire484]

@2:29 “His neck?” Didn’t miss a beat and stuck the landing on the quintessential Ferrus Manus meme. She’s one of us now!

[@excalibursaurusm5701]

This should be fun. I know literally nothing about this dude.

[@DetectiveLance]

He's Iron Hands, primarch of the Iron Hands, and his strike cruiser is named the Fist of Iron. And he has metal hands.

[@diegojimenez5937]

​@@DetectiveLanceand hes dead...thats about it

[@mekolayn]

Average 40K fan

[@SM-kx1oi]

​@@diegojimenez5937 [Insert dumb head joke]

[@duncanmckelvey5602]

And you know everything

[@mazeltovcocktail2.0]

I'm going back to school to finish my psych degree at 40 and I really just love how you both discuss the mentality of these characters and the psychology behind them and the themes about masculinity etc. It's not something I really see in other lore channels and it's so refreshing. Also really cool to hear someone else who is nonbinary talking about getting away from gendered expectations.

[@WolfBoy-om6dw]

I love it too man!

[@yosefzanerva806]

I can't get enough of Kari's decapitation puns. I was laughing this whole episode. Love you two! ❤️

[@BerryBoyXD]

I wish she didn't "cut off" the jokes, ngl

[@nakenmil]

Regarding the interpretation of Ferrus Manus as self-hating: I saw someone posting below here that the Iron Hands are dismissive of their Primarch, since he "failed" when he was killed and thus proved not strong enough. It's possible that this is view they have, I haven't read a huge amount of their lore outside general codices, but I've seen a different take: the Iron Hands hate themselves for failing their primarch. He died because they could not protect him, could not be at his side, could not keep up with him and be his bodyguard. When he died they were overcome with such tremendous shame, self-disgust and inferiority complex that they dove EVEN FURTHER into self-augmentation, in a kind of fatalistic attempt to burn out the humiliation and defeat that came with losing their father. That sense of almost desperate self-loathing traumatizes their chapter even into the 41st millennium, although more on a cultural level than a personal.

[@Some_Average_Joe]

If I rember right they believe he will return somehow and they get mad when anyone points out he straight up died

[@jaghatai_bulut]

42:05 has an error. This is factually wrong. Ferrus and Horus never fought. Horus was the mediator between Dorn and Ferrus. After the battle was over, Ferrus challenged Dorn in an honor duel where each chose a champion to fight for their legion. The primarchs did not fight. It was astartes who represented the legions that fought. Ferrus has a temper, but he does not escalate things to the point it makes primarchs duel for empty reasons.

[@thewerdna]

Ferrus was just a big headstrong. Often got a bit ahead of himself. Didn't know how to get ahead in life. Not a good head on his shoulders, you might say.

[@aidan-h3p]

We could all see where he was heading. He just couldn't keep a cool head when he needed it the most. not a good figurehead for his legion. Imma head out.

[@panda62845]

shame he wasn't neckstrong

[@Fordo007]

@@panda62845if he was Iron Neck he’d have been fine.

[@senor-achopijo3841]

Sir/Ma'am, you are simply puntastic. You have my outmost respect.

[@ericfeatherstone776]

​@@Fordo007 A NeckBeard Ferrus would have been immune to beheading. 😂

[@andrewhume7050]

I fall asleep listening to your conversations every night.. thank you for your content. Just pure comfort listening to you 😊

[@thewerdna]

1:10:35 basically Ferrus was horrified by how machine the future Iron Hand was. Like, said marine was more robot than organic at that point. He basically reacted by demanding everyone leave, and saying that if this was the future he wanted no part of it. And that he'd rather die before seeing his legion turn out this way, and thus wouldn't let it happen. Which adds to the tragedy of the fact that, because he died when he did, his legion turned out the way they did.

[@WolfBoy-om6dw]

I knew about Ferrus seeing a future iron hand, and his reaction to that from a youtube short. But I didn't know his legion, turned out that way because he died.

[@thewerdna]

@WolfBoy-om6dw they turned out the way they did because he died for two reasons. One is he died before he could enact his plan to remove the metal from his hands and tell them to stop. The other is after he died the Iron Hands blamed his death on the fact his emotions (being angry and distraught over Fulgrim's betrayal) caused him to rush into that fight without a plan and thus got himself killed. They took this as proof that emotions amd humanity was bad, while machinery and logic was strong So his death not only meant he couldn't stop it, but also caused his legion to double down on that path

[@WolfBoy-om6dw]

@@thewerdna That's really sad.

[@dinodude6992]

Since she reads the comments.... spoiler alert: Starscream dies in the transformers 1984 movie

[@madflam3192]

Dude come on

[@Bluecho4]

"This is bad comedy."

[@senor-achopijo3841]

*Gasp* How dare you!?

[@Blahblahdo]

I'm really happy with the dive into Ferrus we got here, I think the fact he does lack alot of lore leave gaps that are interesting to speculate about. For example, in what I believe to be his Primarch book there are people who express doubt about how Ferrus got his metal hands, saying that the metal forms too cleanly to his arm, that a thrashing metal beast couldn't have made the metal form like that. I don't think that Ferrus is lying but its clear that the rumor gets to him somewhat, highlights how he fears weakness and being seen as weak (an important idea to keep in mind for "the spat"). Outside that I never heard the excerpt about the medic and I find it really endearing, can't wait to take that story and contrast it with how Peter Turbo handles himself. I also will admit I soyjacked when I heard Ducaines name but I'm that much of a nerd for the 10th. Guilliman holding Ferrus in such high regard (like I know its to avoid too many spoils but wow does Ferrus get glazed) is such an interesting thing that I wish there was a short story explaining it. Perhaps we could get one for Horus as well who I will mention is also a Ferrus glazer. Ultimately, Ferrus really is a tragedy in 40k and it only gets more and more tragic when you see how the Iron Hands handle everything that went down. He only realized the harm his ideas were doing to his legion before it was too late and to see how even aspects of him that can be seen as positive get warped in the wrong ways. Great video, can't wait for Fulgrim and whatever's next.

[@Jleot]

There is always an added level of personality and charm you both bring to the 40k talks that i very much enjoy. I knew of the events of Ferrus but never took unto consideration him as a person and just his fate. It does make me think about what my father tried to teach me about manhood and how i, for the most part, entirely rejected it. Very good format as well. Please keep up the amazing work.

[@iDog-kv8nc]

0:29 I’m honestly not sure if Kari was making a reference to 40K Salamanders, or to actual salamanders. Both feel equally likely

[@Ghost-np2ey]

Googlie eyes on the iron hands is something i need

[@ChaosLierLen]

The gauntlet faces are absolutely sending me. My sides are in orbit.

[@Lechuga1815]

I just realized they're doing primarchs in order of being found. I was sitting here trying to figure out why we're doing a Ferrus Manus episode. He's a cool guy but there isn't like... a lot of lore about him. lol

[@werdmatthias]

I know it's only touched on briefly, but the most tragic thing about the Butcher's Nails weren't just adopted by the World Eaters. Angron actually told the techmarines and apothaceries of his legion to reverse engineer his own Nails and then begin implanting them into the legion.

[@tempestinateapot2987]

Kari, Thank you for the Madoka PTSD. I haven’t thought about that show in a long while… the memories are now unrespressed.

[@krankarvolund7771]

Fun fact, even "The flesh is weak" is wrongly understood by Iron Hands. It was a praise given to Ferrus by Vulkan after a long battle against Orks, Ferrus said that his arms were tiring from killing so many Greenskins, to which Vulkan answered "The flesh is weak, but deeds endure." Vulkan meant that even though they were flawed and could tire, what mattered were the deeds that would be remembered by the generations to come, even Primarchs are mortal, but great actions are eternal. The Iron hands understood that they should be as machine as possible ^^

[@mistercmartin]

Damn! Kari was fast with that snarky "his neck" in response to where did he leave off?"

[@Ogreman2666]

Thank you for your perspective on Warhammer and 40k. You have helped a dad explain to his teen kids why he likes these universes.

[@kevinmccalister4602]

I relate to Ferus in a bit of a weird way. Growing up I was bullied, I was scrawny and weak. I never tried to become stronger because I didn’t want to turn into the bullies. They had more strength and I associated strength with abuse. The strong take and the weak suffer. Then around 16 I had a car wreck and while I wasn’t hurt the car got stuck on its side. if the car had flipped over the side of the road I would have dropped into the abyss and died. I tried my hardest to open that door on the top and I couldn’t do it. Eventually they brought in a machine and saved me. No one else was hurt and I didn’t hit anyone. But I realized that being weak is being helpless. I never wanted to be helpless like that again. I started working out and I realized that it was mental weakness that caused those who were stronger than me to bully me. They were weak minded and needed to hurt others to feel good about themselves. When I started 40k and learned about Ferus something about his ideology spoke to me. Especially how he said that his mind was the true source of his weakness and he must master it. Is Ferus Manus a good role model? Not in every way. But if you take the good aspects they can become a great source of strength both mental and physical. To have strength and not need it is always better than to need it and not have it. Here’s a paraphrased version to show what I mean A man who can not save himself is weak. And a man unwilling to even try to save himself does not deserve to be saved. For while the flesh is weak we can master it and overcome it. For what is the point of having such strength if not to help others to become strong too? For a man who can not save himself can not save anyone else either. So we go on unstoppable until we shatter all in our way and then we rest to do it again tomorrow. Just my opinions. Great video

[@theorcamafia]

I'm glad you found a kinship with ferrus and I'm glad you survived the car crash.

[@kevinmccalister4602]

@@theorcamafia Thanks : ) Me too.

[@jetlag3717]

I think it’s important that Ferrus’s first memory upon waking up, is being attacked. The Wyrm he could not defeat, and would now terrorize Medusa. He internalized a need to be stronger from this, if not for himself, then to help others.

[@kevinmccalister4602]

@@jetlag3717 Huh interesting. So he had a similarly traumatic experience of helplessness and made a vow to himself to become stronger. I didn't see that parallel thanks!

[@kevinmccalister4602]

You know I keep thinking about the first Iron Hand to think hey guys let’s cut off our hand and replace it with a cyborg hand prosthetic hand. Dad’s gonna love it! Ferus comes home and 5 of his sons have permanently mutilated themselves he’s horrified internally but he just asks why? And when they say because we love you and want to be just like you… I honestly don’t think I could tell them yeah that’s stupid you idiots have disappointed me no one else do what these clowns did. So everyone else thinks oh okay sure dad liked that let’s all do it! Face palming Ferus meme

[@giraffedragon6110]

Out of the primarchs so far, Ferus is my favorite. There’s something awe inspiring about his brutal simplicity and honesty that I can get behind. And of ALL his brothers he feels VERY meritocratic.

[@benmartinez9453]

Another tie in to the planet Medusa he dies just like Medusa did.

[@alienstar2088]

I've always seen Ferrus as the perfect example of what men turn into during times of strife and conflict. He holds a very deeply seeded love for his sons but is disgusted that they feel like they have to follow him in his footsteps - a feeling I'm sure many superior army officials feel whenever they are given new recruits. Ferrus also despises the use of his hands but views it as a necessary thing to do which, pretty much sums up the action of war. I think Ferrus is very respectable in that way - someone who puts aside his feelings to get do what must be done.

[@Bluecho4]

His metal hands are a tangible manifestation of his trauma, and the hard, unfeeling man he had to become to survive his situation. Something that helped him endure, but which also cut him off from human sensation. Worse, he teaches his sons by example to be as cold and cruel as he is. A mistake he longs to correct, when the war is finally won. And he never gets the chance.

[@alienstar2088]

@@Bluecho4 Yes but these aspects of himself are necessary for the situation that he is in. War already makes hard men but galactic war against the likes of Necron, Ork and Eldar would certainly make a man inhuman - like an Astartes or Primarch. This, much like Ferrus' situation, is what must come to pass; it is what has enabled humanity within the setting to survive for as long as it has and though they are notably losing a fraction of what it means to be human, such aspects can be rebuilt. The necessity outweighs the means. I admire that about Ferrus, his indominable will and ability to set aside his own wants and beliefs for the benefit of mankind. Vulkan is a very similar character to Ferrus in that way.

[@optimisticallypessimistic4160]

@@Bluecho4 You actually provide a good example of what bothers me about some interpretations of Ferrus and Stoicism as a whole. Ferrus would tell (teach) his sons to be EFFICIENT, but many times that would be interpreted as, "be cold and cruel".

[@21Kuranashi]

53:31 Brisingr! ERAGON REFERENCE..... I love you for this Kari, thank you. Also, can we have another series? Explaining Inheritance cycle to my BF!

[@Near_Toast]

As the episodes go on, I am more and more excited for the Rogal Dorn episode! The way his view of the universe changes as the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy take place are some of my favorite developments out of any of the primarchs (and by extension, how it effects his sons) and I can't wait to hear your thoughts on it!

[@dantelopez9752]

29:38 as a fellow dyslexic I completely relate to how your school experience. I share the exact same worries and opinions that you do about how it feels taking longer on learning things and other things of the sort sometimes it does get to you, knowing that you take longer than most. I completely understand how you feel I’m still currently going through that as I am in high school. Love your warrhammer vids praise grandfather Nergull

[@PrincessOzaline]

There was another Terra, it was the first planet we hear about in Horus Heresy. "I was there the day Horus killed the Emperor." In which he lays seige to terra, and kills the Emperor. No not that one. I guess it's gone now.

[@yhongxiang]

Person born with one hand Kari is right people like us eventually grow proud of the things we learn to do despite the differences for instance I'm an avid gamer and my teammates say that cant tell the difference between me and other players in terms of skill. I also do origami as a hobby and I'm proud of that as I always give away what I make to people. Though what does irritate me at least is people always assuming I can't do something or I'm getting preferential treatment do to it.

[@thomasfrye6335]

Iron Hands of the Iron Hands has (not quite) iron hands

[@curiouswind9196]

Iron hand puppets are funnier than 90% of Ferrus jokes, this needed some brain power... I'll see myself out

[@ajollyduck]

Fun fact: The world of Medusa is encompassed by a massive ring called the Telstarax. Its origins lie in the DAoT and it was designed to exploit and process any resources the planet it orbited held. Be it Void ships or a simple clock the Telstarax could produce it within its massive foundries and manufacturing bays.

[@TheOnlyRealIRONicMAN]

Which is also implied to be the reason Ferrus was found this early in the Great Crusade, despite having landed really near to the immense "DO NOT COME HERE" sign in the galaxy that is the Eye of Terror, as the AdMech naturally would have had a large interest in returning such a world back into their fold. Also, I find it humorous that, despite all of Ferrus's obvious failings, especially regarding his emotional stability, he was still being perceived to be a really good commander, which is why, despite being found after Leman, it was Ferrus who was at that point given command over 1/3 of the entire Great Crusade engagements, with the other thirds being headed by Horus and Big E respectively. (Granted, being a more level headed, reliable battle field commander than Russ is not exactly a high bar to beat.)

[@ByteMeMan]

The guy with the demon inside him and the whole "I need this to live, but it sucks" vibe is quite similar to the Elric of Melnibone storyline (which I think got a shoutout in early fantasy as an inspiration)

[@Doktor_CC]

Not 5 minutes in and we got Mami mention and head jokes, this is the life!

[@himynamewaz7507]

47:15 VULKAN MENTIONED. REJOICE FELLOW SALAMANDERS

[@_krumble_3053]

STOMP STOMP VULKAN LIVES STOMP STOMP

[@Dracobyte]

Yei!!!

[@theflyingeyeball]

STOMP STOMP

[@WolfBoy-om6dw]

I can’t remember exactly when Kari started talking about Mami, but I’ve got two things to say about it. First, I can only react with the those who know meme, and second, I can’t wait for Explaining Magical Girls To My Boyfriend! Beyond that, since I may as well make this a big comment so I don't post multiple times, this video was fantastic! The videos you guys make get better every time, and I'm always excited for the next one. Ava you 100% succeeded in making Ferrus Manus cool, he's awesome! Also the psychological talk from Kari taught me a lot of things; like, I didn’t know about Body Integrity Dysphoria until today. I not only learned more about Warhammer 40k, but I also learned more about life in general. That talk you guys had about appropriation and accommodation was really enlightening. Overall this video was fantastic, and I loved every second of it! I can’t wait for the episode on Fulgrim. Also I adore Fulgrim's design, he's so cute & sexy at the same time. I love you guys! P.S That comment you guys read about Ferrus Manus being a man of hate was really good, props to the person who made that!

[@excalibursaurusm5701]

I'm getting big Guts and Griffith energy from these two. Ferrus and Fulgrim

[@NUMBSKULLS]

If only Ferrus had a giant sword... 😔

[@PhantomGato-v-]

Good to see someone else also sees it like that-

[@excalibursaurusm5701]

@@NUMBSKULLS if only 😢

[@excalibursaurusm5701]

@@NUMBSKULLS I mean he does have a huge hammer 😞🔨

[@Birdmanesp92]

The fan art exists

[@Dizzy2107]

"stop bullying him" "Im not, im bullying you, he's dead" i creased

[@collindouglas8188]

Angron is my favorite Primarch. He is my brother's favorite Primarch. As someone who struggles with intense mood disregulation, we love him. So it makes me very happy that Ava loves Khorne because I hope they do my angry boy justice.

[@Fatalbeast22]

Ferrus, like many beings from 30k, would absolutely hate whats has become of his people in 40k, he believed enhancement through machine, not replacement

[@WizardOfCause]

Your guys convos on 40k always brighten up my day. Half the time I know all about what your topic is, but it's nice to hear people talk about things they enjoy like this.

[@weslooos]

I am wheelchair bound, and I have to have to add you gave one of the best explinations of acomidations and exeptions I heard in a long time. And how there is a weird dubbel edges sword thing going on whit all this.

[@Notbatman374]

Havnt watched the full ep, I just cannot express how much I love the iron hands avatars lmao

[@toastierepublic1722]

I love all the excerpts in this episode. The little slices of humanity add intrigue and texture to the cool smashy warhammer stuff. It feels like Kari has an interesting tie in/connection in response to every excerpt too. S-tier. I didn't think I'd care about the dead guy fodder episode.

[@EndCallCaesar]

Not gonna lie, hearing y'all talk about masculinity and gender expectations was something I really needed. I've been kinda going through my own conflicts of self lately regarding my own masculinity as something that just feels like an act, something I've been working to open up more with since my early 20's(now in my late twenties), it's nice to know I'm not the only one. Been journaling a lot about gender envy and wanting to express myself in ways that may be more feminine because it's been something I've just been pushing down into the back of my mind my whole life. Not sure why I'm sharing any of this but I guess thank y'all for making such great content. I normally don't listen to podcast format stuff but y'all knock it out of the park in ways that are so genuine and relatable.

[@remethtiamat7950]

Kari's on great comedy form in this one! Good job!

[@zackbob6]

1:01:49 totally get this. When i was a kid, my uncle used to call me dumbass when i did or said something dumb or irritated him or whatever. It slowly changed over time as i got older to become just a joke and i would mock him by saying it in a stupid voice before he could and we would laugh. And then now that were both adults 16 years later, its like a special thing between us. Its like nostalgia. A reminder of simpler times. Its no longer an angry retort, but a sentimental nickname

[@TheTitansBridge]

Oh, the Ferrus Manus episode. I wonder what funny costumes pur hosts will be wearing- *sees two talking gauntlets* WHAT THE FU-

[@markuskoivisto]

I know, it’s amazing

[@Scholar_of_Lore]

Their doing the order of primarchs found during the great crusade after ferris manus is fulgrim(5th) vulkan (6th) Rogal dorn (7th) Roubute Guilliman (8th) Magnus the red (9th) sanguinius (10th) lion el Johnson (11th) perturabo (12th) mortarion (13th) lorgar (14th) jaghatai Kahn (15th) Konrad curze (16th) Angron (17th) Corvus corax (18th) lost primarch (19th) Alpharus Omegon (20th) the numbers beside the primarch is the order they are found.

[@GolemNo.09]

Wasn't Alpharius the 1st and never even left terra?! ... or maybe... he did?!... who knows...

[@Scholar_of_Lore]

@@GolemNo.09 yes but his twin was the 20th found plus Alpharus is a liar

[@GolemNo.09]

@@Scholar_of_Lore yeah right. So he kinda is the first AND last, alpha and omega. Gj jamesworkshore

[@senor-achopijo3841]

So that means, next they shouldn't talk about Fulgrim, but about [REDACTED] instead, right?

[@Scholar_of_Lore]

@@senor-achopijo3841 they will do fulgrim next

[@ryanchong9965]

Let's talk about Mr. Iron Hand himself

[@geoffreyentwistle8176]

"He would get along with Emet-Selch." I almost choked with laughter at that... 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@1C3CR34M]

I’d love a sitcom with the Primarchs before the Heresy, just a bunch of sibling drama with the Big E or Malcador coming in every now and again and going “now settle down boys”

[@BumpkinBob]

54:10 For anyone who doesn’t know what Sorted is the sentence “one guy is really into meat … and the other guy … and they come together” is absolutely wild

[@Charles_Drakkan]

Just found you guys and have been loving watching all the channel, you guys are entertaining as hell please keep the amazing work Currently sitting through Kari mushrooms puns at the ork video 😊

[@ethanmeier323]

Thanks you for making this series because it actually is helping me tell my girlfriend about Warhammer because she wants to get to know my hobby and I can’t tell here they way I should with the complicity of Warhammer

[@shadow0fx]

You two are absolutely adorable! This series is so much fun and I wish you nothing but happiness

[@TheLordVallon]

Fun fact; he was the strongest primarch. A salamander that was at the istvaan V massacre talks about how Vulkan was throwing Leman Russ tanks, and now how he was the strongest, now that Ferrus was dead. Citation: Shattered legion short stories

[@Red13aron]

Certainly before Angron's Titan foot stomp event I'd prolly agree.

[@khylerbane4523]

I really want Ferrus to return or be reference with the Legion of the Damned with a 10+foot Legion of the Damned marine with lava hands, a massive hammer, a burning sword, and a burning pyre for a head appears, saving Guilliman, Lion, the Ynarri, or Clonegrim. Then he and the Daemon Primarch Fulgrim stare at each other blankly. A sense of familiarity and disbelief shared among the two. “Go” I tells them, “Lest you wish to fight me for the right to kill him.”

[@Aberinkula9]

So, you want WK40k to become a shonen or Marvel bullshit, right? I will not even complain at this point. WH40k's fandom is filled to the brim or with political extremists (of BOTH sides) or with utterly childish people that ruin the hobby and lore. It is useless at this point...

[@NUMBSKULLS]

That sounds awesome!

[@NUMBSKULLS]

@Aberinkula9 "I will not even complain at this point" [Complains a whole lot] Please enlighten us on how exactly the hobby and lore are being "ruined". Gonna take a shot in the dark and assume you'll say something about a crazy conspiracy theory involving Amazon, or "woke" ideology is ruining things, or you'll say 'DEI something, something thinly veiled bigotry'. People can create and hope for their own stories all they want because it's partly what makes Warhammer... well Warhammer. It's a base setting that people can take and run with to create their own ideas, characters and stories. Hell, think about how many people have their own homebrew SM Chapter, or Chaos Warband. How many people paint Purple Orks because they're "the sneakiest" despite that's just a silly joke in the community. 40k gives you the ability to create all that and more. Wanna say your chapter is actually part of the lost primarchs? Hell, maybe they're women! It's your story so you do what you want with it. Frankly I think Ferrus coming back as a headless, flaming, skeleton ghost rider looking guy is the sickest shit and I would totally love that. And it's okay if you don't! Differing opinions and all that. But idk where the fuck you went off to with the whole "shonen marvel bullshit- political extremists are ruining the hobby". In summary, just don't be weird, dude. - Ava

[@Aberinkula9]

@@NUMBSKULLS Nope. With all due respect, you got everything wrong. For starters, I SUPPORT firmly the implementation of female Custodes (the only issue of mine is that GW could have done better at the beginning. But my gripe with it already passed for a long time and I LOVED how the first Femstode was depicted in "The Tithes episode 2"). Second, I don't spew silliness like "DEI woke conspiracy" because, well, it's baseless silliness - I even argued with people here in your channel that spread every once in a while that dum-dum "argument". Now for my main argument (concern even): the possibility of things like "Clonegrim, redeemer of the Emperor's Children" or "resurrection of dead Primarchs" or "redemption of traitors like Mortarion" is that it not only elliminates the TRAGEDY of the setting and ruin the implicit moral message of it but, also, justifies the atrocities that happens in it by mere "magic" and gives reason - in a crazy way, I assure you - for the people inside the hobby that see the Imperium, for instance, as a "real life model". Let me just make some things clear: I have nothing against humour in the setting - I love ALL the goofiness of the Orkz, for instance. Best race with the best players (and I am not one of them), waaagh and all that jazz - or against good people that tries to make good deeds in it (I have all the respect for Salamanders, Lamenters, Tome-Keepers and Farsight Enclaves, for instance). Nor do I support the "gAtEkEePiNg" of the hobby against people that creates homebrew armies of female Space Marines or transexual democratic Sisters of Battle, for instance. But the setting, as I briefly mentioned, is TRAGIC; full of horrible people ruling the worst forms of government ever imagined struggling in a battle against "the dying of the light" when, deep down, they know they will lose! It is a setting in which innocent people is murdered EXACTLY for being innocent or xenos AND humans are condemned if they have good relations! And there is a cathartic reason why we readers MUST see all this hideousness in the setting: for us to learn to get horrified by it, to LEARN what extremes forms of intolerance and opression can do and to AVOID it in our real world - in a similar way to a greek tragedy like Sophocles' Antigone more or less. And what the prospect (because, fair enough, none of the "shonen bullshit" previously mentioned happened. Yet) of "magical good solutions" can do to such setting? Cheapen it, ruin the implicit lessons and give a forced "happy ending" that would spoil everything. Just to mention another franchise that got RUINED exactly for that kind of thing: Game Of Thrones TV series from the 5th season until, specially, the last season (Daenerys' last dragon, out of nowhere, gaining a political consciousness that the Throne was the main problem... By the gods, why?)... And I mentioned abstractly Marvel, right? Well, one thing is people like Jason Todd or Gwen Stacy to return as a different characters, other is to see characters resurrecting again and again and again and again like Elektra or Captain America or Professor X without any significant change. And think about it: Tony Stark's final sacrifice would remain relevant if he was resurrected in some future Marvel movie or it would spoil his characterization since the first movies and be just a cheap tactic? (Let us ignore the fact that Robert Downey Jr. is back portraying himself as a new "Marvel saviour"). If things like that come to occur in WH40k, it will not only cheap the stakes of the setting but, worst of all, give "solid arguments" for people very problematic that unironically see the Imperium, for instance, as "the good guys". After all, it can't be bad a government in which Jesus-like miracles like the resurrection of the previously dead happens. And if you think it is you are a heretic soyjack supporting Amazon's communism that must be hunted down by the based chuds lead by Arch and kicked out of the hobby or maybe more! THAT is the kind of thing that could be generated and if you think that I am exaggerating, take a look at places like HorusGalaxy subreddit or just remember the kind of things that you and Kari had to read about Erda's character... Speaking of character, I get what Kari tried to convey with him in the episode but he, too, was a HORRIBLE Imperial high rank member that made one of the worst Imperial atrocities during the "glorious" Great Crusade: the annihilation of the Haruspex civilization just because the humans in it didn't want to betray their xenos friends or to join the Imperium. While Ferrus was "heroically" eradicating ALL OF THEM, their last words were: "we just wanted to be left alone"... Not only you already have people that try poorly to justify such heinous act (or that will simply praise him for being, ugh, "bAsEd") and now people thinks that he should come back for what? To "make amends?! To teach their "sons" the errors of their ways because it seems that they themselves are uncapable of doing it on their own volition?! Not only things do not magically work that way but, also, that would only increase one more narrative problem that the setting is facing: how the Primarchs are robbing the agent of all the other "lesser characters", robbing the spotlight and making EVERYBODY ELSE irrelevant. Lion's return is already being quite problematic and to make loyalist Primarchs to return (the traitor ones is another story) as the only "badasses" that can fix the Imperium is to give, ironically, give reason to Horus/Abaddon Rebellion against the "common folk" that ruled the Imperium and, worst of all, convey the message that only exceptional men (and in the case of Primarchs, MEN only. Not women for "women are weak to be Primarchs") can rule things; common people are too incompetent for that and must only follow orders. Do you see how CATASTROPHIC that kind of thing can be, specially in a fandom as PROBLEMATIC as this one that has players that model Guardsmen regiments in UNIRONIC HOMAGE to the NS Wehrmacht, for instance?! I do hope Ava (and Kari) that you read this comment. I DO support the approach of this channel towards the hobby because, yes, WH40k is quite silly. But many use its silliness as an excuse for nefarious purposes and some and propositions inside the fandom DO help that kind of people, although by accident. I like the hobby and I WANT it to be BETTER without all the stupid toxicity in it that even GW feeds indirectly every once in a while. Forgive me for any mistake given that English is not my native language (I'm from Brazil, by the way - a country ruled by Chaos forces and corrupt Imperial officers in which Warhammer official products are inexistent). I just expect that with this REAL long complaint (frankly, you were unfair with me when you said that I "complained a lot" in my first intervetion here but no hard feelings, really) you see that I am NOT an enemy, just someone worried with the dangers that the hobby is facing and the effects even OUTSIDE of it. I wish for both of you AND your mutual love partner all the happiness in the world for your relationship is, truly, inspiring =D

[@nickdoyle86]

Absolutely adored the psych talk, as someone who struggled with my sexuality almost into my 30s, and now in my 30s is struggling with gender identity, the conversation brought up some points I hadn't considered and I would've loved for the conversation to continue.

[@alejandroavendano6541]

You guys are the best 40K lore content creators in this community for so many reasons, love you!

[@juanbelio2057]

HOLY SHIT KIRIKOU REFERENCE, I WATCHED THOSE MOVIES SO LONG AGO AND I JUST GOT FLASHBANGED BY THE MEMORY

[@hauntorthegiraffebiscuit]

Man, you two really rocked these Oobi-sonas.

[@adamevaskevich5528]

As someone who knew nothing about Ferrus before this, I'd say you did him justice, because i find him very interesting and now want to learn more about him

[@natanoj16]

I like when you go into deeper subjects for a little while. Especially when they are this relevant for the character you are talking about

[@snickledumper]

Thank you guys for these videos! I've been dipping my toes into 40k and these lore videos are great! I look forward to the Sanguinuis lore video!

[@Casseous]

Really enjoyed this episode. I’m a bit sad we’re not fully covering his death but I understand it’ll be covered later.

[@jackelam3088]

The Primarch of my favorite chapter. I can't wait to see how fair ahead you guys go with this.

[@50poundsofsalt13]

This is a really lovely series! I’m just now getting into Warhammer stuff and it’s really cool to have fellow queer folks who I can watch cool videos from about it!

[@bdgkagekage5623]

This hit close as someone who tries to have a stoic outlook on life after years of being alone and failing to connect to anyone… and also being bi and non-binary was an unexpected shared trait with Ava haha it makes me happy to see someone with my own issues have a happy ending with it 😊

[@aidan-h3p]

I love the angle of the Iron hands appropriating and misinterpreting Ferrus' iron hands as a source of honour and strength, I've never heard that one before. Ferrus demanded so much of them and pushed them so hard to eradicate their weakness and be the best legion that even if something only made them feel stronger, they thought it was worth it. I think another less-explored angle of the culture of the Iron Hands, at least in 40k, is how similar their obsession with cybernetics is to unhealthy beauty standards. Every missed 1% of your average accuracy, every wasted second, every .0000001 of every calculation, everything that isn't up to the standard of a machine is mocked, sidelined and hated as a flaw that needs to be removed. Ferrus set the standard of strength as something attainable through dedication and wisdom, even if he was a bitch about it. The Iron Hands set it as something utterly inhuman and unattainable without painful and invasive cybernetic surgeries that don't stop until you're nothing but half a brain in a robot body and you cant run from the self-loathing anymore.

[@arcredemption7603]

It interesting to hear you discuss Ferrus before fulgrim. I did it the other way and after hearing the tragedy that befell ferrus it made me appreciate the lore and stories he’s apart of more. I like that despite he’s immense strength and talents, because his hands aren’t his own he feels he’s still weak. So when I hear him talk about wanting to fix himself, so he can fix his sons is so interesting. Also can’t wait for you to talk about the lion and the Kahn and dorn. All guys that seem simple and basic that I personally feel are so much deeper.

[@wannabeslav]

Ferrus and the Iron Hands were my first favorite chapter and I thought that the disconnect between Ferrus and his sons was such a cool idea that I wish was explored more. After learning about the Grey Knights though they became my definitive favorites, as well as Lion and the Dark Angels, due to the lack of lore surrounding the Iron Hands and Ferrus. I share a similar interest now between the Fallen and Lion.

[@snowwalker218]

I have heard from other creators that doing premiers can tank the long term growth (beyond 6+ days) of the video. Idk if this is the case for you but just wanted to throw that out there incase you haven’t heard that before. Love the videos soooo much ❤❤❤

[@MrKeroro623]

"Explain madoka magica to my boyfriend " When!?!?!?

[@Bluecho4]

The way that Ferrus Manus shaped his sons, and then how his death _breaks_ them and sets the tone for what they become, is fascinating to me. Because it's so extremely human. If Kari is reading this, tell Ava to watch Oculus Imperia's episode on "Irons Hands & The Keys of Hel", if they haven't already. It singlehandedly (pun intended) made me really feel for the Iron Hands. (It even inspired my own idea for an Iron Hands successor chapter, the Phantom Pains. Who, uh, use the Keys of Hel significantly.)

[@jacyjohnson8636]

This whole video is just the primarch talking to himself

[@ace3154]

There is something about how you guys relate these stories to real life that makes these videos infinitely better than most warhammer lore video its also really nice hearing people talk about gender roles and such from a non political iust accepting and understanding i have put some thought into all of that myself and while im pretty confident that i am a asexual dude it is extremely cathartic to not have to worry thinking that im crazy and acknowleding there are more than just one way to exist idk what else to say than thank you for mixing this in with warhammer journey

[@amypost3107]

Yay Numbskulls! Just a little feedback about the audio, Ava was a bit softer in volume compared to Kari. I found myself adjusting the volume a lot this vid. Always love your stuff!!! Keep doing all the things!

[@NUMBSKULLS]

Thanks for letting us know!!!

[@blank6976]

i think one of the best examples of space marines wanting to be like their primarchs was when tzeentch gave a blood angel wings so he can look like sanguinius then his iological brother who also is a space marine killed him

[@XanderMcAllister]

I know you're doing them in order so it's going to be a while, but GOD I can't wait for Vulkan. He's my favorite.

[@NarizRoja]

The part where y'all talked about masculinity and rejecting it and how you discovered your non-binary nature was echoed with my own personal experience so much that I had to doublecheck if i didn't record this. It always feels great to find a kindred spirit, love y'all

[@xordep2]

It took me literally 2 seconds to find Ferrus and Fulgrim ship in google images lmao

[@boss5718]

God the narration of these stories are absolutely amazing

[@fishpop]

Okay, having your avatars being hand puppets is hilarious XD Kinda looks like the viewer is looking at their own hands after having lost their mind.

[@Kohl293]

Ferrus reminds me more of a machinist than an engineer. Grumpy, did things his own way, utilitarian, constantly roasting you, but a cool dude when you get to know him.

[@Doktor_CC]

We know little about Ferrus Manus due to the lack of books, we really need more books. The Man named Iron hands with his Iron hands and his legion called the Iron hands in his ship called the Fist of Iron, needs more books, preferably made from Iron.