Explaining FULGRIM To My Girlfriend | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@NUMBSKULLS]

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[@lixydead3665]

what do you mean by (allah hercules) please do not mention allah like that

[@NUMBSKULLS]

@@lixydead3665 à la, not allah. à la means “according to” or “in the manner of,”

[@grey3247]

"Your game is weak but drip endures" - Fulgrim as he gives Ferrus Manus a bad shave

[@valkenx6758]

Just a little too much off the top

[@dRac_XII]

@@valkenx6758it was actually the perfect amount ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@TheHorsemanOfTheApocalypse]

​@@dRac_XIIno it wasn't the guy died :(

[@dRac_XII]

@@TheHorsemanOfTheApocalypse fulgrim has never done anything imperfect, heretic

[@TheHorsemanOfTheApocalypse]

@@dRac_XII so did ferrus

[@Alza.art4518]

Yeah the Griffith comparison is very accurate I feel. Especially with how I read it, the two are very similar. Cause how I read Griffith in the golden age is that yes he was manipulative from the beginning and yes he was plotting and conniving, but also genuinely nice and actually cares for the band of the hawk at least in the beginning. When he says “I want to climb the ranks and reach the top so I can build a new world” that’s not just manipulation he actually means what he says. I feel the same for pre heresy fulgrim. He was always a perfectionist with latent manipulative tendencies but when he says “love triumphs fear” and “you are the highest of the highs and they the lowest of the lows you must reach them up as high as possible” that’s not just him putting on a kind act, that’s actually how he thinks. Initially Griffith and Fulgrim are both very human. They believe in others and strive to help people for a just cause. They’re only amoral and malicious when they need to be to get ahead. But when you cut their ties to humanity, be it ferrus or the band of the hawk, all that sincere humanity and kindness goes with it. Leaving just that latent evil to drive them.

[@NavariteAzuth]

"jaghatai Khan, who we're not going to talk about for quite a while" Ahhh I see you understand Games Workshop's philosophy on him too

[@hauntorthegiraffebiscuit]

Damn, we may have to start calling *you* the laughing killer.

[@FlightlessPheasant]

My love of The Khan is not shared by his creators... 🥲

[@NavariteAzuth]

@FlightlessPheasant same, in many ways the most human of them. Seeking freedom, understanding and avoiding politics and corruption

[@FlightlessPheasant]

@NavariteAzuth I also love is ability to dress down the weaknesses of a foe with a glance. Like his almost preternatural ability to know the weak points of anyone, or anything, is super cool!

[@NavariteAzuth]

@@FlightlessPheasant they touch on it in the video but even vocal sparing he's undefeatable. Talking with the wife who also is only a pinky toe into Warhammer about it. He's like half the burns in the Herasy novels.

[@a_paperweight]

Trazyn just randomly showing up to steal the emperor's children's geneseed is peak Trazyn

[@tossapat027]

and Clongrim . . .

[@beancandev7818]

OOOh what do we have here?

[@thewerdna]

@@tossapat027 i mean, that's how he got Clonegrim. He traded some of the geneseed he stole to Fabulous Bill for the clone

[@San-nj8fj]

I like how this and Clonegrim technically make an army of 30k Emperor’s Children led by Primarch Fulgrim and Trazyn completely lore accurate in a 40k game

[@lechking941]

next to clonegrim too

[@dethmunky86]

Serena didn't kill Ostian to make her painting. That was another remembrancer that she picked up in a bar. Fulgrim killed Ostian at the end, stabbing him with the Laer sword and pinning him to his sculpture of the Emperor. Serena later found Ostian's body and impaled herself, kissing him as she died.

[@jdcoolha]

You are absolutely correct, that one is probably on me! For some reason this sequence didn't end up in our notes which means I definitely should have written it down before Ava recorded.

[@Dracobyte]

Did Fulgrim stab him before the Horus Heresy?

[@jdcoolha]

@@Dracobyte Reviewing my copy of the book, it happened while in transit to the Istvaan system. So right on the cusp.

[@Dracobyte]

@jdcoolha I see. Thanks for personally answer this!

[@joshjr40k]

Yeah, I just finished the Fulgrim novel, so this is fresh in my mind, and yes, that is actually how it happened.

[@Lechuga1815]

Kari: "I was just thinking of the babies that got unlucky" Ava: "Lol, like a baby that just lands on a world that's nothing but lava" ... *Literally the next primarch*

[@hauntorthegiraffebiscuit]

And he's one of the best ones!

[@mat5977]

The existence of Lorgar and Conrad makes every other primarch looks like the best ​@@hauntorthegiraffebiscuit

[@lechking941]

@@mat5977 lets be real vulcan is a motherfucking CHAD of primarch (not to mention immortal)so its hard to top the lovable carcoal colored behemoth. shure he looks evil as hell but hes vary nice. at lest when he needs to.

[@draketurtle4169]

@@lechking941he deserved so much better, the poor guy is the struggler, screw Fulgrim so what he suffered? He became a bitch meanwhile Vulcan struggled time and time again to do what was necessary and required to save humanity even at his own expense. If there was a primarch who deserved to just peace the heck out after the heresy and all that nonsense it’s him. The guy needed a break.

[@curiousinquisitor59]

This is... umm... quite the take down of Fulgrim with next to no sympathy or talking about his upbringing. His marriages were not him getting tired of them, Palatine Phoenix discusses this. Its because Chemos was hard mode for even a Primarch. It seemed to have broken him to a degree. The book discusses that he tried to care but that he eventually realizes it was a luxury he couldn't afford. Because one mishap or another kept happening. Everyone he grew close to either died, turned on him or he had no choice but to turn on his mind. The book also describes him having to mine with his hands, learning to fight saving one of his parents from being beaten to death by riot police. This man didn't learn that people had an appreciable lifespan until he was an adult. Heck, he loved his foster parents enough to keep a small shrine to them. He literally explains that he was amazed that rain isn't generally lethal! That is just one example but I have to admit, I am very sad that they went full meme on him and just went with 'Mean Girl' Fulgrim. Fulgrim's thing is the self-made man who is successful despite life never giving him a dose of mercy, his Primarch book is strongly about the fact no one got this and interfered before he finally snapped.

[@ilo3456]

Fulgrim until he got corrupted by the demon sword he was an amazing dude, who honestly cared about others

[@AvaLynneDavies]

While I agree I brushed past things like Chemos being as horrible as you described here, and some of his interpersonal relationships with his spouses and family, I feel like I did emphasize Fulgrim was a genuinely kind and caring person. I disagree that we went full 'meme on him' because we discussed at length the sadness there is in the downfall after the sword was picked up. I mentioned the statue he made of his parents, the attitude he had towards his brothers, his legion, and the humans he served, I even say how if the third legion didn't fall, they'd arguably be some of the strongest warriors the Imperium has to offer. I understand we make jokes and ultimately this podcast is for entertainment but none of those jokes are to discredit how these characters are written or to undermine the tragedy of them going through trail after trial. After we recorded this episode, somewhere on a thread or something, there was a question of "If you could change one thing in 40k, what would it be?" and without much effort Kari said she would stop Fulgrim from picking up the sword. I appreciate your feedback! I just wanted to clarify a few things! EDIT: Second to last sentence to be more clear!

[@tsarzamancorpdna]

God fulgrim My beloved What has slaanesh done to you

[@curiousinquisitor59]

@@AvaLynneDavies Appreciate the response! I admit that I am used to seeing Fulgrim bagged on quite a bit so it stands out more than others since I think he suffers from a zeitgheist perception more than most (well, aside from maybe Russ). Maybe I am oversensitive to it. I just think that one of the clever things Reynolds did with Fulgrim (which, tbf was written after Scars), was to flip the narrative around. Turning the Khan comment from a jab at his preferences at a show of how little anyone tries to know Fulgrim (his life actually being far lower class and filthier than the Khan's for example) and a mockery at his geneline's suffering for example. It always seems to not be emphasized enough that Fulgrim was not really the person other people thought he was deep down nor how his pretense at privelage isn't necessarily reflective of the truth. Again, appreciate the reply, shows alot of integrity!

[@AvaLynneDavies]

@@curiousinquisitor59 I totally get that! I'm so excited to get into his personal thoughts right before and as the Heresy is going down. There's a 50/50 chance Kari is going to cry. She was looking at Ferrus and Fulgrim fan art last week and was getting really upset. It's going to be so so so fun.

[@Historyfrek4ever]

Fulgrim is pretty much the super successful guy who one day accidentally got a contact high and now is running a cartel while doing everything and anything in every way, and doesn’t know what rehab is.

[@senor-achopijo3841]

Fulgrim: "Yo, Ferrus! Look! I pimped your armor! Now you can kill Xenos and shit while looking daper!" Ferrus: "FULGRIIIIIIIIIIIM!" *Sitcom intro music

[@Dracobyte]

"Warhammer 30K is performed live within the GW studio!"

[@candymanva9629]

9:57 this isn’t exactly true. He just outlived them because he’s a primarch. Eventually he just stopped marrying people because they kept dying.

[@VaneHartless473]

The Khan - "I heard you do strange things to your warriors" Fulgrim - "Yeah man it's called medical research trying to cure the blight that ravaged my sons. I haven't even found an evil sword yet, your just being a jerk. In fact how about we settle this with a fight?" The Khaward - *runs away scared*

[@khylerbane4523]

The irony is that Khan wasn’t referring to the blight, and khan was aware of it.

[@CrimsonRosePrd]

1:57 "Why would I care about you and your ugly leather pants" is now going to be a head-canon Fulgrim quote

[@Nebulaeous1]

I see him saying this to Perturabo. When he’s sacrificing him to Slanesh to ascend. “Fulgrim save me” then he responds with that

[@jamesfirecat6652]

@@Nebulaeous1Peturabo would be the kind of guy to wear cargo pants and then explain at length at how clearly they were the best kind of pants since they were the most effective at letting you carry things around!

[@NUMBSKULLS]

Perturabo in the cargo shorts, Legend of Zelda green shirt combo

[@Nebulaeous1]

@@NUMBSKULLS I have to draw this now, with all of that stretched over his normal armor

[@thewerdna]

A thing to bring up when you get to Jaghatai is that both he and Fulgrim didn't end up on the planets they should have. Jaghatai's pod was originally heading towards Chemos and Fulgrim's was heading to Chogoris. However, before they arrived, someone (heavily implied to be the Eldar God Cegorach) swapped the pods around. It seems like Cegorach knew whoever ended up on Chemos would fall to Slaanesh, and altered events. And, given that Jaghatai later vanished into the webway, I firmly believe he is part of Cegorach's plans.

[@SeanOVoices]

The Eldar laughing god will always have the last laugh

[@knightofarcane]

is that why I see a lot of alternate Hersey stories have Jaghatai fall to Slaanesh?

[@jonm7512]

@@knightofarcane Yes, but also speedy-man based on Chinggis Khan makes sense to fall to the god(dess[?]) of Excess

[@AngryHomunculus]

​@@jonm7512 the Khan was a skilled swordsman, which Slaanesh does favour, but the issue is that the Khan was not as boastful as Fulgrim (or at least how Fulgrim presented himself), so it could possibly stand to reason that if the Khan landing on Chemos instead of Chogoris would make him more prideful, especially considering we know from Konrad Curze and Angron's upbringing that can have a greater impact than whatever Big E intended for the Primarchs

[@jdcoolha]

This actually sounds super interesting, any literature that talks about this?

[@khylerbane4523]

Fun fact, Trazyn traded Clonegrim with Bile by going him pure Emperors Children Geneseed. That’s what happened to the Geneseed, along with whatever Fabious Bile was doing in his basement. I also love how Fulgrim was both trusted, liked by, and even called “my friend” by Curze of all people; who saw the worst in and therefore hated everyone; *and* Manus aka social ineptitude the character right behind Lion. It speaks to the character of all 3. Same could be said about Lorgar and the Emperors Children when they tried to get the daemon out of Fulgrim. Also, Sigismund going Full Mary Sue just to be punted by Fulgrim was one of my favorite moments. The guy was kratos and then was turned to a level 1 npc in the most one sided fight of Sigismunds life and needed dad to save him. This Space Marine 2 quote sums up Rylanor perfectly… “Even if I am slain, I will leave wounds by which you will remember me!” -Blackshield Demetrian Titus of Deathwatch.

[@draketurtle4169]

Rylanor couldn’t kill the demon primarch but he did something far worse, denied him what he craved most, a broken ego hurts far more when you respawn from deaths.

[@_Tomon]

Fulgrim probably invented manscape on his planet. Also his first meeting with Emperor be like "I think I'm gonna call you daddy" "THEN YOU WOULD BE CORRECT MY SON!" (little did he know...)

[@dyer4677]

Oh! The creator of the Fulgrim Daemon painting (Serena D’Angelus) didn’t kill Ostian. She killed other guys for their bodily fluids but not Ostian. Ostian was killed by Fulgrim by being impaled and left to rot on Ostians completed statue of the Emperor.

[@Historyfrek4ever]

The painting thing is way worse. She didn’t kill Ostian and they were a couple. She got chaos corrupted and started going full black widow on her fellow passages and using every thing she could get out or turn body into and mixed it with paint. The portrait turned out super ugly to normal people’s eyes, but corrupted people thought it was great art. Then she got a moment of lucidity and tried getting Ostian’s help, but exited after finding out that Fulgrim had already killed him. (It was sad and tragic.)

[@B2411s]

One of the coolest named marines (or in this case Dreadnought) is rylanor, one of the original two hundred emperor's children, and the walking coffin with the biggest balls in all of warhammer

[@vontheunknown7982]

Hmm, the emperor children's are growing in numbers lately, and Fulgrim is not far behind at all. I wonder what GW plans for the Fulgrim and emperor children to do in the settings?

[@Flt.Hawkeye]

Invade ? Conquer ?

[@kaiser_Haux]

Have fulgrim and the emperors children invade, grow, become a serious threat enough so that trayzn goes: “hmm, guess I can give em the clone” I hope.

[@vontheunknown7982]

@@kaiser_Haux Doubt it

[@nazotech7590]

Add in the whole “Good Clone” of Fulgrim in Trazen’s collection too

[@kaiser_Haux]

@@vontheunknown7982 a man can dream! 😔

[@KaijuQu33n]

"I hear you do strange thing to your warriors" YOU MURDERED HIM

[@ayoublahrach4169]

That comment gets taken out of context alot it isn't implying that fulgrim is Fing his sons but references the fact that Fabius was trying to cure the legion of the blight that returned

[@benhemsworth8555]

It’s nothing compared to what he did to Mortarion. “You’ve run out of friends. … You’ve tasted the fruits of treachery and found them bitter. Don’t drag me into your ruin. You’re on your own, brother.”

[@ayoublahrach4169]

@@benhemsworth8555 I mean to be fair it's not like Morty chose to fall to chaos he had to be forced

[@Pragabond]

@@ayoublahrach4169 Eh not really taken out of context since I don't think they had started doing all the weird experiments or going down the Chaos road yet. But also to be fair 40k writers aren't exactly known for keeping the timeline perfect so I do still agree that it was meant to be a burn about Fulgrim doing insane Slaanesh shit and experiments. I genuinely don't think the Khan is the type to consider "haha ur gay" as anything close to a good comeback and I also don't think Fulgrim is so fragile (at that point) to consider "haha ur gay" the kind of thing worth jumping out of your chair to fight about.

[@thewerdna]

​​@@ayoublahrach4169that quote was before Morty fell the Nurgle. That burn was to a traitor, but not yet corrupted, Mortarion who found himself on the side of chaos and psykers. So it was absolutely deserved The full roast is as follows "But it has gone wrong, hasn’t it? You have completed your great mission, but there are more sorcerers than ever. Horus has sponsored them, Lorgar has shown them new tricks. If Magnus has not already made up his mind then he soon will, and then you will be surrounded. You’ve destroyed the Librarius only to find the witches are now untrammelled. They played you well. You have done their work for them, and soon you will be dragged into it yourself, as warp-sick as they are. I see it perfectly. Magnus showed me. Your Legion may be free of it for now, but the change will come. You made your pacts, and now they will come to collect. You fool. And that is why you came to find me. You’ve run out of friends. Who will stand with you against the aether-weavers now? Angron? What an ally. Curze? Good luck. You’ve tasted the fruits of treachery and found them bitter. Don’t drag me into your ruin. You’re on your own, brother."

[@AndresSapp-m8w]

I really appreciate y'all for helping to make this lore more accessible for those of us who find it fascinating but have no interest in the games lol. Your vids are always so much fun to watch.

[@khylerbane4523]

The thing with the Laer is that the conflict was a huge step to his and the legions’ fall. it reaped a severe body count for Astartes and guardsmen alike, tore at the very fabric of the EC, changed the mood of Fulgrim pretty much permanently, and put heavy pressure from the stress on every one from Fulgrim saying he’d take the planet in like a month or less. A time crunch they felt they needed to make, lest their reputation be hindered. This resulted in, what he and the Emperors Childrens would only ever consider, a Pyrrhic victory. All to prove they were the best. So when Fulgrim saw the laer blade, he saw it not just as a weapon or war trophy, but a physical manifestation and representation of *everything* he sought to gain and prove. So, blindsided by many things… ranging from frustration and stress, to arrogance and pride… he took it without thought, question, or hesitation. Ironically this entire campaign would and quote-on-quote “should” have gone to Perturabo and his sons and this was their entire thing. But Fulgrim sought to prove a point despite this *not* being their specialty. As such it was the worst campaign of the 3rd legions entire lifetime but to Perty and his kids; In the immortal words of M Bison, “It was Tuesday.” After all, if any other legion or heck, even any chapter did just one of the wars the Iron Warriors endured, be it the Hrud, Eldar world with Fulgrim, Siege of Terra, etc… it would break them, mean while the Iron Warriors just keep going. Also I personally choose to ignore the stuff about Fulgrim regaining control and choose to keep believing that he’s now just a prisoner in his mind. Or at least the “True Fulgrim” is still there but just trapped under the Laer Deamons corruption and the darker side being brought to the forefront. Also I’m just going to say it… Fulgrim should the main villain of the Ynarri, *Not* Shalaxi Hellbane. And he *NEEDS* to both meet and interact with Clonegrim. …Only For a “gigantic Legion of the Damned members with a Pyre fir a dead, lava arms, burning sword and volcanic esk hammer” to save Clonegrim or the Ynarri and say “Go, Now. Lest you wish to fight me for the right to kill him.” All while Fulgrim, and Clonegrim or Lion, Robute, and Eldrad, can’t help but feel a strange sense of familiarity.

[@Scholar_of_Lore]

The next primarch would be Vulkan next in the order the primarchs found during the great crusade

[@Joeseph1]

Thank you for taking a more personal angle with this. Most of the 40k lore explanations on youtube typically just give you the hard facts on what the primarchs did in a timeline kinda way, but you try to actually delve into the personalities and nuances of the primarchs which adds layers upon layers to them and makes them so much more interesting.

[@Dracobyte]

Yeah!

[@chaosof99]

I found the concept of Fulgrim extruding a passive psychic charm-aura interesting. It reminds me a lot of the concepts of "Glamour" in The Laundry Files, where perfumes, jewelry and such have been magically altered to charm people that are not prepared or warded against them can fall under a spell and become suggestible and easily influenced by their wearer. Also, as someone owning over 9000 points of Salamanders I am definitely looking forward to the Vulkan episode.

[@EtherealDoomed]

Glamor and enchantment are really old mythology that both properties are drawing on.

[@rabidporcupine0]

I do love how everyone who knows both universes inevitably makes the connection between Fulgrim and Griffith. It's almost impossible not to. Another thing to keep in mind, Guts had an iron hand.

[@kirbyrawstorne]

Alternative 'coming out to Fulgirm as trans' lines Pre-Laer: I know Post-Laer: It's adorable you think I didn't know

[@Naemor92]

At 24:30 Ava became an ambulance for a few seconds :D

[@garretthochmuth4522]

I am genuinely surprised they did even mention Clonegrim. It should be mentioned that Fabious Bile survived be framing others of being affected when he was affected as well as cloning himself and harvesting the dead marines for new organs to stave it off. This was all behind everyone else’s back. Also, he is the most hardcore atheist surpassing even the Emperor himself by a factor of 10. 23:23 to counter Kari always choosing peace over war, I *cannot* stress this enough… Fulgrim deciding death over diplomacy with the Laer was probably the only time the “kill on sight” method of dealing with aliens was completely 100% justified because they were a civilization wide Slaanesh cult. Also it’s very easy in a setting and reality to justify war and killing other when they strike first. If you lost a family member at Pearl Harbor, 9/11, or the enslavement of humanity in the Age of Strife; like so many others in all three, you’ll be shock how easy you gain a “Kill ‘em all” mentality. In 40k, no good deed goes unpunished, and the most lacking commodity is trust. I just noticed Ava his dressed like the Laer soldiers.

[@stancal9249]

Just a quick, what I consider non-spoilery note for y'all on Memento, as it's one of my my favorite movies but also one where i feel like the core structure needs to be explained before you go in, else the first part of the movie becomes confusing and you spend a good chunk of the beginning of the movie playing catch-up. As mentioned, you begin the playtime of the movie at the chronological end of the story. You then alternate between two sets of "stories": a black-and-white set that begins at the chronological beginning of the story in 5ish minute snippets and a color set that begins from the chronological end of the story and work backwards in 5ish minute chunks. I agree, it's a textbook-worthy example of how to play with story structure in interesting ways. Such a brilliant film.

[@gacrazy65]

The thing to remember with all mediums. The best villains don't think they are. Most of the Primarchs don't think they are in the wrong. Fulgrim is so perfection driven, he is twisted from being better for the Emperor to being even better! And shouldn't he strive to be the best he could be? The Emperor askes the best of his sons and the Emperor's Children has to be even better because they lack numbers. The other Primarchs are similar... but spoilers.

[@Pragabond]

I get what you're saying but I think the "best villains don't think they are" idea is limiting sentiment on what a good villain is. Sometimes the best villains know and even revel in the fact they're the bad guy. There's just as much depth to explore on either side of that idea.

[@gacrazy65]

@@Pragabond Fair, it can be done well like the Joker, but in many of those instances the Villain in question is strong because they are a foil to the Protag (like Batman). Joker can be great because he makes us as readers ask questions of the Bat. (I'm sure there are other *good* stories that don't but Joker primarily exists (as of the animated series) to present a villain who probably can't be redeemed or cured and what Batman is willing to do to protect Gotham and *everyone* in it.

[@cjd2889]

You can see what Fulgrim's character is like from the moment his drop pod lands. He is an amorphous, formless ball of light when his pod opens, and it isn't until one of the humans that found him touches him and he reads their mind that he takes on the most pleasing form he can for them. Even as an infant he manipulates them to murder their friend to protect him.

[@CJBerdomas]

Meanwhile on Istvan III: Rylanor waits.

[@trifontrifonov4297]

Fulgrim's corruption was started by the sword, but at some point its all him. There was always darkenss in him. But there is darkness in all the Primarchs, ultimately their fall is an act of free will. Also disappointed that you did not tell her the "We Deserved Better" story.

[@topcat59]

If Griffith never made the deal with the godhand, he either would kill himself knowing he’ll never achieve his dream with this broken body or live the rest of his days being taken care of by Casca.🐱

[@tourmalineii4134]

I feel like Griffith very likely would have killed himself if he never made the deal. When he’s in the lake before the Behelit activates, he sees himself being taken care of by Casca and literally tries to impale himself on a branch afterward. The only thing that stops him was his fate. It’s such a cool idea that no matter what, Griffith would have been lost either way. Either as Femto or as a human. Such a cool thing to think about

[@Orionspackle]

⁠YES! I think that deep despair and abandonment of the self is so fascinating too. Someone like Miquella from Elden Ring is another character that literally destroys parts of himself to attain his goal. Death and demi god status be damned. That one quote from the game really puts it best, "Pure and radiant, he wields love to shrive clean the hearts of men. There is nothing more terrifying."

[@arcshadowstorm]

I feel like Carrie would like the Tau Empire, seeing her empathy towards the aliens. I cant wait till the tau episodes.

[@Waffle-Habit]

42:48 the amount of knowledge you know is impressive. The way that you lay the story out is aweinspiring.

[@Scowleasy]

Fulgrim is pretty because he tries really hard, Sanguinius is pretty because he doesn’t.

[@h3r0ofhyrule]

Girls with a Time Machine: “I’m your great great great (etc) grandmother!” Boys with a Time Machine: “No Fulgrim! Don’t touch that sword!!!”

[@TheHorsemanOfTheApocalypse]

More like: *Gunshots* fuck you Erebus!!!!!

[@slashes22]

Instead of "Explaining X to My Girlfriend" it will be "Arguing X with my Best Friend"

[@jdcoolha]

"Warhammer is stupid" -Ava, to me, constantly.

[@TheHorsemanOfTheApocalypse]

​@@jdcoolhait is

[@Aberinkula9]

​@@jdcoolha Indeed.

[@festusxiii5724]

When you cover Peter Turbo I hope you cover how you have to add your own bit of fluff or interpretation as from my opinion he is the most inconsistently written of the primarchs My personal interpretation is surrounded a lot around an ego that makes him human. An ego that went unchallenged as he grew from boy to man. An ego that strangled his desires as while he wanted and had the chance to do other things it did not seem like it would give him the praise and the status his ego demanded.

[@garretthochmuth4522]

On the topic of some Emperors Children staying loyal… I will simply say this; “Even if I am slain, I will leave wounds by which you will remember me!” -Blackshield Demetrian Titus of Deathwatch. 13:45 having to admit that 30k Lucius actually does look cool is genuinely painful to do given how unlikable he is.

[@khylerbane4523]

"I REJECT YOU NOW AND ALWAYS!" -Rylanor I also agree with you and also hate the fact that Lucius, Eidolon, and Marius Vairosean; founder of the noise marines, all have objectively great 30k models.

[@shanehunt3019]

I can never unsee Fulgrim as Adam Sandler's Water Boy.

[@raikun2963]

Happy to be here. Love you both. Now to talk about the snake man.

[@ViolosD2I]

My Ork army is painted in that purple and gold scheme. The story being that they are Blood Axes who kinda heard from humans that this is what the best warriors do - and obviously dat's dem! They are the Emperor's Stepchildren, and I love them.

[@NUMBSKULLS]

THAT'S AMAZING!

[@seanbrennan5469]

Stealth orc army

[@reubenjackson4402]

This full video I was just getting random moments when I would just get a random image of Rylanor 😂 Also your videos are very helpful because it's helped me get my girlfriend into warhammer and she's actually thinking of starting up an astra militarium army with mainly kreigs men, so thank you ❤

[@LowboTheWolf]

Fulgrim and the third Legion are my favourite out of all of the primarchs and legions because he had so much potential to be so great and where he ended up how chaos twisted him and his Legion is the perfect example of the influence of Chaos

[@LauchlinM.]

So glad we're at my favourite pre-Heresy Primarch. Such a tragic fall from grace.

[@Khornecussion]

Fulgrim is the WH40K of Sephiroth, except it's more like the Drip Sephiroth / Swagiroth. Dude even had wings on one side of his armor. He was a one-winged angel.

[@bishopcorney1352]

Started watching these with my spouse to get them into warhammer. It has been amazing, and they’ve been loving it for the most part, but the random book excerpts from the last 2 episodes have really been taking us out of it. Wish you guys the best no matter what you decide to do. Best of luck!

[@Zejety]

1:16:55 Griffith showing up with a funky stone he calls his "solar beherit." Neither he nor the story in general ever elaborates what that means.

[@LilacMage]

Heres a thought... Terra, the lords of terra is in session. Imagine the Pop goes the weasel medley starts playing. But when it pops, Dorn And Vulcan walks casualy through a wall like they never went missing.

[@MrBogThing]

Looks at brother's blade... looks at alen blade...looks at brother's blade... looks at alen blade... goes to put brother's blade down.... runs out of the room waving both blades above his head.

[@tonnycalvins]

Nice Segway really caught me off guard.

[@lucyseverine9907]

"I wonder what he'd be like if he never touched the sword." Trazyn: *laughs robotically* the funny thing about that,

[@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV]

"There are two pretty ones, there is Fulgrim, and then there is Sanguinius." Hey, my two waifu's! The two people I think are the most beautiful of the imperium. It actually makes me really happy to hear that, I don't know why but it's really validating to me.

[@EvilDMMk3]

One thing people don’t really talk about with Fulgrim is that while he did wage wars he didn’t become the leader of his world by conquering it. he became the leader of that world by demonstrating his personal competence and convincing people to follow him.

[@hauntorthegiraffebiscuit]

My favorite aspect of Fulgrim's character is how much he is emblematic of a primarch's power as a force for peace. In a way he is mirrored by Curze, in that they both sought to take planets with the least loss of life and avoiding conflict. Of course, Fulgrim had much farther to fall out of those two, but their noble ideals are fun narratively.

[@Ikxi]

1:08:05 I CRIED SO HARD IN THAT EPISODE

[@joshuadeese7306]

Just a correction on the fate of the sculpture. He was killed by Falgrim after he finished his statue of the emperor and Fulgrum came to see his work and had only one correction for it and impaled the man on the marble sword of the emperor.

[@reverendofprimordialvents3985]

As someone who likes to examine wh through a Gender lens Fulgrim is very interesting to me because while pretty much all of the primarchs harken back to wildly different cultures and times and thus gender roles from the one a lot of us in the current imperial core. Almost all of the other primarchs are designed such that they fit the current masculine ideal even if it wouldn't necessarily make sense for the gender roles of the culture that they are referenced from. Fulgrim despite being the masculine ideal for phonecian nobleman is thus pigionholed into the "feminine one" for not fitting current ideals. This is even more codified by him falling to slannesh who is in the wider view of the 40k world the most influential feminine force. Even his pursuit of perfection is something which is mostly seen in other media as feminine horror(The black swan, death becomes her, I haven't seen it yet but the substance) as even the act of caring about appearance and ideals at all is considered feminine despite masculinity being something that is actively strived for just as much.

[@ironduke5058]

Interesting take, I see where you're coming from

[@fosterbennington6405]

He’s what Masculinity looks like in Nobility, but we live in a time where we’ve moved away from that kind of system into a different one that puts a different kind of person at the forefront, so it’s understandable that people wouldn’t comprehend this properly.

[@britishpandaa4489]

I so enjoy your vids so much I am a painter in England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 and all I do is put headphones on and listen to you guys for 8 hours hahaha can you do a dark mechanic plz

[@Ravensgale]

Honestly, when I first saw Fulgrim without knowing much about him, at the time I definitely got Griffith vibes, but I also got Dhilandau from Vision of Escaflowné(one of the few Isekai that NOT harem power fantasy trash) vibes.

[@michaelleadford5960]

Just had to let you 2 know you're videos help out alot with my mental and emotional health life's been difficult lately but your videos are a tonic of relief that makes tribulation more bearable. Hope everyone is doing good, also please pass my love onto Kia too she's adorable and needs to be in more videos.

[@treydenwatterson2217]

When sanguinus passed the red angel, the angel felt calm

[@bengonzalez5215]

Manscaped executive: Fulgrim video? Our time has come.

[@SuperInsanewolf]

Did you dress Kari's model up as a version of Fulgrim cause you view her as perfect?

[@AvaLynneDavies]

CORRECT.

[@KarilynneDavies]

HBFLVYDHLFNVDRIFCJN NO YOU 😭

[@shadow0fx]

@@AvaLynneDaviesAWWWW THATS SO CUTE

[@onionninja5554]

This may just be me not knowing everything but so far it’s interesting that the Primarchs who have interesting weird parts of their backstory (Horus Magical Girl Transformation and now Fulgrim Ball of Light) are the ones who turned to Chaos, again just what I’m thinking

[@somebody4399]

The Laer are still around to my knowledge they call themself now the Sslyth The Color Pattern of the Emperors Children is close to the Pretorian Guard of Rome who quite often backstabbed the Emperor Also Rylanor Vengance of Rites when?

[@laughinglich3258]

My question is why big e just let his kids delve into madness like that. He clearly understands chaos and that their likely getting weird communications

[@beancandev7818]

Your thinking too much like a responsible person. Which Big is definitely not.

[@typicaluser697]

​@@beancandev7818 Or to be more honest: plot needs to happen, character need to be stupid (act stupid) so plot happens

[@Notbatman374]

My head-canon is he knew. Like about everything. The heresy, being trapped on the golden throne for 10k years. All of it. Because he planned it. The whole thing is a plan to make him a chaos God, or some similar entity of the immaterium. Chaos calls him "the anathema" which makes me believe he is a being of Order, the antithesis of chaos and he wants to become the God of Order. 10k years being fed a thousand psykers a day. Of being worshipped as a god. He's building up to a tipping point. Cawl has told guilliman that the Golden throne will last another century or two, if they are lucky. If they aren't, it will last a few more decades. Then the emperor will finally die, and likely ascend.

[@Fallenangel_85]

He is just too disconnected. And he wants to shoulder the burden of chaos by himself, to protect his children. Kind of like John Winchester

[@roystansell7640]

Big E has to allow visitation rights to the other parents....

[@RedHornSSS]

Lol instantly sniffing Griffith out of Fulgrim is on point

[@zetworp1]

When you are talking about what Fulgrim's natural magic ability is, I think the term you're looking for is a Glamour. A sort of illusion that attracts people to want to protect and support the caster. Maybe that third person that found Fulgrim was too far away or to some extent a blank, and was able to resist it. If I'm remembering correctly Callax had a population limit set to keep people fed. That guy suggested they kill him to not add to the population, so the other two killed him so Fulgrim could have his spot. This could help to explain that some of the more misanthropic primarchs like Corax and Ferrus Manus actually liking him as well.

[@Near_Toast]

I play a lot of 30k. While Dorn is my favorite, I love Sanguinius and Fulgrim. Fulgrim more for his sons. Saul Tarvitz and Rylanor the Unyielding are super cool and tragic characters in the books and on the tabletop for 30k they have some insanely flavorful and kind of sad rules. Saul Tarvitz is given a rule called "A Brother Betrayed" where he gets buffs when fighting traitor Emperor's Children and one of the captains specifically as well as a trait called "Defiant Unto Death" which gives you extra buffs if you are losing in particular ways. He's also a great duelist on the tabletop. The tragedy that befalls the Emperor's Children is reflected a lot in their rules on the tabletop and it's super cool!

[@lawrencemorales6728]

38:49 Ostian was killed by Fulgrim not by the painter lady. She killed a poet. then later impaled herself to the same sword impaling Ostian.

[@DanielMorgan-t1q]

For the restaurant question. Fulgrim definitely also cooks for you, but you know its gonna be a Hannibal situation

[@sc2_Nightmare]

Oh, that last bit... about the costumes... you two are just adorable.

[@DigiMatt52]

The analogy I find of the whole knowing who is bad/who is good as we learn about these primarchs is the Greek tragedy. Where they tell the audience how the story unfolds and then does the play.

[@Zejety]

Here's my idea for a differently-corrupted form for Fulgrim: What if he just turned into a featureless sphere? Spheres are "perfect" 3d shapes in some ways, and it would create an interesting loop back to his infant form: You already covered how his view of perfection seems to be at odds with what it means to be human. Wouldn't it be kinda cool if he drew the conclusion that human contact ripped his inborn perfection from his grasp and he figured out a way to return to it by shedding humanity? 😮

[@speetza6265]

I can see this being like an amorphous liquid creature (think the aliens from “The Abyss”) that looks like a constantly contorting and reshaping glass statue. Really cool mental image!

[@jamesmeuse6962]

Love the retelling of Fullgrim convincing people, even got a little emotional thinking about being a bystander thinking of fullgrim lifting uo my daughter saying thise words. I noticed the mathematical way fullgrim used to solve that problem when I was reading too and I actually think he believed his own word's to some degree back then. Now that passion and heart as long tuned ice cold due to his corruption. I think you might find it interesting to know that fullgrim actually killed Ostian after talking to him one last time, disappointed to find the master sculpture had finished his latest work and seeing it was the Emperor instead of himself. He stabbed the sculpture of big E through the back impaling it's creator in the chest. The artist that used blood for her painting used her own blood for it. I can't remember if she died from blood loss or if she was the girl who became a demon later on. If neither she could also be the character who found Ostian and emailed herself on the balde to die with her love.

[@susannavulpes]

It's going to be forever I know, but if you really dig into it, I think you're going to ***really*** like Corax. I seriously get emotional talking about his lore at times, it's so good

[@swaggy6]

With the primarchs each being a piece of the emperor. It doesn’t seem to off to think that Fulgrim was a ball of light. Due to the fact that the emperor can appear different to everybody based on what they want to see.

[@KarilynneDavies]

True I didn’t think of that!!!

[@schaedli177]

bro... every time i hear that convo between fulgrim and the khan, i remeber why i like the khan so much i seriously can not wait to the episode about him cause, man he is so cool

[@patrickdees5256]

Next primach is Vulkan? *clears throat* INTO THE FIRE OF BATTLE!! ONTO THE ANVIL OF WAR!! VULKAN LIVES!!!

[@cellectra3342]

1:10:10 my favorites when ot comes to loyalist are 1 Sanguinius and vulken 2 lion and russ (even knowing i play space wolves) 3 the warhawk and corvus 4 roboute/dorn 5 ferrus Out of the traitors 1 angron 2 perturabo 3 Magnus 4 fulgrim/ Alpharius Omegon

[@maximusperez5260]

I feel like you guys would love to watch Mr. Bones video on the primarchs (obviously when you guys are done with your videos). He goes on more of the psychology of them or what they represent as tropes and it’s very interesting videos that I feel like you will enjoy (obviously he doesn’t have a major in psychology which he states in his videos but the I feel like you will enjoy what he put it out.) I find his analysis of Peteruabo to the most fascinating of them all. P.S love the videos you guys do and the art you put out for those videos

[@vulkan4108]

3:12 I'm betting on Adric crew, but that's just a theory, a bookclub theory

[@narrow7091]

A Pimp Named Slickback colorscheme

[@danklord4315]

16:15 You know now that I think about it, GW missed the chance of renaming the emperor’s children to ‘Fulgrim’s Bastards’ once they fell to chaos as some poetic irony. Idk maybe I thought too much into this.

[@dumbstuff5024]

Rylanor under all the Rubble waiting for fulgrim

[@joshjr40k]

44:47 This actually does happen in the Fulgrim book, where Fulgrim is on the deck of his ship, and one of his captains brings him the Laer Blade, and the soldier says Fulgrim asked for it, although Fulgrim never remembers asking for the sword.

[@artoriasjim9638]

One slight correction about Ossian! The remembrancer (Serena) didn’t kill him, it was fulgrim himself. Serena did kill a sort of stalker/janitor to use his blood and even used her own feces and urine for brown and yellow respectively. But fulgrim killed him right at the start of the heresy, impaling him on his own sculpture of the emperor, which was deemed “perfect” by fulgrim. Serena would eventually have a moment of clarity about what she was becoming and seek him out, only to find his body impaled. Out of madness and grief, she ended up impaling herself on the statue with him.

[@juniusluriuscatalus6606]

"Don't spoil it" and - in true Chaos fashion - I'm so tempted... so tempted... :D

[@jdcoolha]

0:25 What did they mean by this!? Edit: To clarify no I am not in the polycule

[@TycoonTitian01]

John

[@jdcoolha]

@@Brutalyte616 no I am not in the polycule

[@Brutalyte616]

@@jdcoolha My mistake.

[@ChronoNova]

MORTARION MENTIONED RAAAAA

[@Narcoswolf]

Caught up with these videos! And excited for Vulcan next! I love the Salamanders!

[@mra4521]

57:36 Sephiroth and Griffith are voiced by the same man in Japan.

[@relicking9207]

From my understanding, Dommy Mommy couldn't have the Emperor's children(literal), so she took the Emperor's Children(figurative)

[@arinnoor]

I waited the whole episode just to hear one part. The Ancient awaits still and I cannot wait to get there.

[@woodlogs4885]

Can’t wait for the Khan episode. It’ll be a while but he’s my favorite Primarch!

[@johnk8031]

Fulgrim was shafted in the world he was sent as a baby, but he build something amazing. If he was still loyal the imperioum would be grander than ever. But he had to pick up that dammed sword.