Explaining What is Ving Tsun Kung Fu

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Sifu Wayne

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@smjmartialarts1438 2 ай бұрын

Great video thank you for sharing this invaluable information!!🙏

@smjmartialarts1438 2 ай бұрын

Outstanding video!!!🙏

@smjmartialarts1438 2 ай бұрын

I already purchased volume one and going to order volume two!!!

@meanwileinthedesert..2320 2 ай бұрын

Tried to respond a couple times. Didnt post so started new thread. Dont know if the others made it throu. The pressure testing should resemble what were training for. A fight. With pressure that simulated a full force confrontation. Leung and Ip were not good because they practiced alot with many drills. They were good because they fought and were tested regularly. With much thought and rethought I've come to a few criteria for modern testing. 1. Practitioner must remain in wing chun through the confrontation. 2. The aggressors can and should use other methods in systematic courses progressing from an untrained brawler in the beginning to a boxer to a highly aggressive attacker. Then a final test of wing chun vs wing chun. The length of the confrontation can vary for skill levels from testing single movement to multiple movements. First testing the making of the bridge itself. Full speed! Then the bridge + 1 move, the bridge +2, +3.. ext. The aggressors should start wide and wild for early skills then progress into tighter and more skilled attacks until its a match between 2 wing chun fighters. There is no real sparing or testing in wing chun using force that represents the real world. This is why we fail. 3. Full force in testing is a must! Full gear as needed per student. Actually get in a space and try to tan da someone swinging at you with intent to hit you! Full speed! Actually learn the sensation of being able to pak when an aggressor is coming in with a full force combo! Actually feel what its like to bong when you didn't need to, and live in a second were you messed up and need to recover. The world is very different when you take a couple shots to the ribs and face. If we are training people to deal with real world confrontation then they need to be tested to be sure they can handle such a possibility. The world will not pull its punches! Xu Xiaodong is challenging traditional sifus. And we lost, multiple times badly! If we are to win against such an opponent, we need to be tested the way such an opponent is tested. And tested regularly!! Boxers, Muy tai, Mma all get into a ring. American wrestlers both theatrical and serious gets into a ring! Even point fighting systems like karate and taekwando gets into a ring. Where is margin of success for having learned wing chun?! Where is test for us to show and know for ourselves that we have learned anything useful? Its certainly not chi sau. Being good at chi sau says nothing of your ability to stop someone actually trying to hurt you. This, is why we lose. How are we to know how to use our full force we are capable of and not capable of, through drills and pulling our strikes for safety. How are we to know how much structure it takes to tan, pak, jut an opponent with actual aggression until we test it. This is how masters and students get punched in the face. This is why we lose. We have no ring! We have no testing. We have no margin of success relative to the world outside drills and exercises of technique. How are to know if we have learned anything at all! Unless we adopt methods of realistic confrontation simulations and test regularly!! Without proof testing, we will never be respected by the martial community again. Ip man made wing chun respected because he won. Leung was respected because he won regularly! Bruce lee was respected because he won. Regularly. Side stepped wing chun quite early, but made jkd respected because he won. These men were good not because they drilled. But because they fought! Are we practicing for drills? Or are we practicing for a possible real confrontation one day? Without a ring to be tested in, how will we ever know if we are ready for the one day? Are to follow Leungs example and find underground and rooftop matches on our own to test our skills? Are we to join a boxing gym on amateur night and step into the ring. Im seriously considering it that one. Or are to wait for the one day to come, in the streets to test our skills in a real fight with consequences..? Wing chun, needs a ring. Needs a beimo. Or else we're just dancing our way to what happened to tai chi. 4. This needs to introduced early! And be a regular and common part of wing chun. Once halfway through siu nim tao, start feeling and seing what its like to tan someone swinging at you. Gear up and learn what its like to have timing and rhythm. Early! And regularly! Its been 60 years since wing chun had a champion. And this is why. This is why there is infighting and politics throughout the wing chun community! Were all assuming our lineage in the better one based on conjecture!With zero proof from any lineage since Leung! The infighting will continue and drive wing chun into obscurity, until someone starts winning again. Until one sifu starts training people to win, not just to learn a particular lineage, wing chun will continue to lose.

@basthiankungfu5754 6 жыл бұрын

Nice Video, thanks for sharing.

@xitec75 9 жыл бұрын

Excellent - very very interesting (I bought ur 2 books a while ago *g)

@Gwenhwyfar7 4 жыл бұрын

Wow

@jpsandberg 9 жыл бұрын

Nicely produced video. Can you elaborate on "Time, motion and energy" and it's source? AFAIK, this is not something ever taught within Ip Man lineage WC and sounds very similar to HFY's Times, Space, Energy ideas it introduced to the WC community in 2003 with the Mastering Kung Fu book.

@smithamenon4194 4 жыл бұрын

If you think you know Sifu Yip Man's lineage of wing chun then why did you write ving tsun as WC (wing chun ) (sorry if I disrespected u but it is just a simple question)

@jpsandberg 4 жыл бұрын

@@smithamenon4194 I have no idea what you're talking about. You can romanize it either way. There are those in Ip Man lineage that do it either way - depends what sub-branch your'e from. For ecample, there are many Ip Man Lineage branches today that call it Ving Tsun. One of the most popular is Leung Ting linege. But there are others that call it Wing Chun (most commonly spell it this way). But in the end, that's just semantics and hardly worth arguing over - you can call romanize it however you want. But that's a small matter and it doesn't change the point of my original question. Would you like to try answering it?

@SifuWayne 3 жыл бұрын

If I can jump in quickly. Patriarch Ip Man did ask that students teaching his style romanize it as "ving tsun", but not everybody does all the time (including me) - sometimes I use the umbrella term wing chun or even (gasp) kung fu depending on the audience and the message I want to send. Ip Man Ving Tsun, as I understand it, follows the basic principle of economizing time, motion & energy. I was taught this from my first day so my experience is that it is indeed something taught and strived for within the Ip Man lineage WC/VT/KF. Many styles of wing chun and styles of kung fu for that matter adhere to similar principles.

@junioradam8073 2 жыл бұрын

Bruce Lee called it Gung Fu which makes it sound more lethal

@meanwileinthedesert..2320 3 ай бұрын

The only wing chun or Ving tsun is Wong shun leung. No other students in all of ip mans students, had the name of ''king of talking hands'' in the streets! He was fighter. A top level combative underground street fighter. All other students were just practicing to spread an art form. Even his own children never actually fought or pressure tested what they learned.

@SifuWayne 3 ай бұрын

Were there no others who engaged in gong sao in Patriarch Ip Man's Hong Kong school then? It was only Wong Shun Leung? (who did have excellent skills by the way).

@meanwileinthedesert..2320 3 ай бұрын

@@SifuWayne I won't contest others participated. Though no others were given the name ''gong sau wong'' for being undefeated in 60+ beimo fights. No other students taught from experience in consistently winning fights. Others taught from the experience of spreading an art form, from a prestigious schooling and creating a successful business. Not the same. Ip mans own children didn't have the will to learn until ip man was older and hooked on opium. They learned it from other students, but never competed in beimo themselves.

@SifuWayne 3 ай бұрын

@@meanwileinthedesert..2320 So there were others who competed in the beimo fights? I think it's reasonable to assume they were not too bad at fighting if they represented Patriarch Ip Man's school. Wouldn't you agree?

@meanwileinthedesert..2320 3 ай бұрын

@@SifuWayne I want to agree. Although have no record, lore, or references to do so. And the hard truth of it is since the 1960s, Wong the last wing chun master to win a public fight against a serious competitor. Aside from a handful of anecdotal experiences without witness, wing chun has been losing fights for 60 years. And i say this as a practitioner. Because it's not taught through a pressure tested experience. It's taught tame, subdued, safe. It's sterilized. A sword made without an edge. No one in wing chun is regularly getting in a ring with only wing chun. It's cherry picked and mixed with others without a foundation in anything particular. Or it loses due the practitioner not fully pressure testing every single movement or just doesn't dedicate the same time to learn wing chun, as the opponents dedicated to their own discipline or art.

@SifuWayne 2 ай бұрын

@@meanwileinthedesert..2320 While it's true there are practitioners whose kung fu fighting skills are still maturing, I can attest that there are indeed many skilled wing chun fighters, most of whom are also really nice people too. So I hesitate to paint all wing chun practitioners with the same broad "tame, subdued, sterilized, untested" brush.

@JasonLaveKnotts 3 жыл бұрын

Ving tsun is both hard and soft.

@SifuWayne 3 жыл бұрын

You're right. Follow up question: Let's say you were creating a video targeted to people who had no idea what is wing chun and you wanted to educate them on hard vs soft styles, which would you say was wing chun in your video. If you choose to say it's both - which is the most correct answer (like iron wrapped in cotton or the hard/soft power of bamboo or even the iron and silk analogy where one hand is silk and the other is iron) - how would you best get that idea across? Thanks for your help!

@timwayne8439 2 жыл бұрын

More bs that would never in real life fighting.

@SifuWayne 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Tim, Can you enlighten us on why it won't work and why you call it B.S.? There was a "Bruce Wayne" who also didn't like my video; I'm wondering if you two might be related.

@timwayne8439 2 жыл бұрын

@@SifuWayne simple i was an mma fighter and you would get the shit beat out of you. Nothing your doing would work against people like me.