Exploring the Impact of the Gut Microbiome on Your Health | S. Devkota | The Proof Podcast EP

Recent years have seen a surge in interest in the gut microbiome, an intricate area of research that is only just beginning to reveal its vast implications for our health. Even though we are just at the outset of fully understanding this complex ecosystem, there have already been exciting discoveries that set science on the path to understanding the role of the gut microbiome more comprehensively. In Episode #267, I’m joined by Dr Suzanne Devkota for a deep dive into the gut microbiome’s influence on inflammatory and metabolic diseases.
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Dr Suzanne Devkota stands at the forefront of microbiome research. As the Director of Microbiome Research at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center and an appointee at the University of California-Los Angeles Department of Medicine, she deepens our understanding of the gut microbiome's role in inflammatory and metabolic diseases. Her research, published in highly esteemed journals like Nature, sheds light on the increasing prevalence of diseases such as IBD, diabetes, and food allergies. Currently, she explores the fascinating sphere of pathobionts and the translocation of gut bacteria. With a strong academic background from the University of Illinois and The University of Chicago, Dr Devkota has become a significant figure in this rapidly emerging field. Her accomplishments include multiple NIH R01 grants and the prestigious NIH Director’s Pioneer Award.
In this episode, we discuss:
00:00 - Intro
02:13 - The evolving field of microbiome research
09:32 - Gut microbe on social media
12:48 - Microbiome definition
13:55 - Why the focus on gut bacteria?
16:02 - Differences in Microbes
18:45 - Microbial shifts and adaptations
21:35 - Microbes perturbations
24:19 - Human microbiome in evolution
28:13 - Healthy microbiome and diversity
34:09 - Is the microbiome the sole driver of metabolic diseases?
41:33 - Dietary patterns and FODMAP intolerance
49:41 - Saturated fat and gut health
58:25 - Microbiome metabolites and heart disease risk
1:02:52 - Inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) and dysbiosis
1:13:13 - Food additives
1:16:12 - Supporting the microbiome in IBD
1:18:01 - Microbiome's interaction with fat cells
1:30:35 - Short-chain fatty acids and appetite regulation
1:32:35 - Practical tips for nourishing a healthy gut
1:39:52 - Microbiome's interaction with Polyphenols
1:40:25 - On supplements and fermented foods
1:47:31 - Factors affecting gut health beyond nutrition
1:51:19 - Outro
Connect with Dr Suzanne Devkota:
- Instagram: / suzannedevkota
- Twitter: / suzanne_devkota
- Website: www.devkotalab.com/thelab
If you have any additional questions you would like answered in the future, let me know in the comments.
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[@SatipatthanaSakuraDragona]

I eat a plant based diet (no animal products), but I'm a little amused by some people in the comments who are upset about her mentioning that eating a diverse diet, including diverse animal products, is best for our microbiome health. Relax, folks. There are trade offs in everything. Just because she's not telling you something you want to hear, doesn't mean she's wrong. She didn't say that a plant based diet was bad for our microbiome health. She just said that more diversity, including more diverse animal products, is better. That's not an attack on you personally or what you're eating. Plant based diets don't have to be perfect or the best in every single category to be a healthy choice or the best choice for you personally. It's really not that deep.

[@YouTubeIsTrashAssGarbage]

Woah. Surprised to see a sane vegan lol 👍

[@SandyBatten1962]

❤

[@cyclamen831]

Simon interviewed Dr Carol Adams episode 217 , she is the author of Even Vegans die- I would suggest to listen to that. I have been plant based for 5 yrs and then reintroduced a few animal products lately ( not important why). I never understood the obsession from one side to the other. I understand the ethical question and respect that but to be advocating with such obsession one diet vs the other it always seemed very strange. Being in a science field myself I know well that there is no way you are going to have the right answer when it comes to diet that applicable to everyone. So yes, relax!

[@FactsBeFacts]

@@cyclamen831 Veganism isn't a diet, it's an animal rights movement. Are you against animal exploitation & abuse or not? Do you consider yourself to be an animal lover? While paying money for other people to kill them?

[@BarryAnderson]

​@@FactsBeFacts YES so TRUE .... We have 2 kinds of Veganism the Organic Whole Food which can be used for temporary metabolic therapy uses ....for which I have a lot of personal experience with . And then we have the horrific altra processed modern vegan diets that are seriously causing cancers heart disease and metabolic syndrom that they never hardly address simply because it is "VEGAN' Historically for the history of Humanity no one can find any 100 percent Vegan string of multiple family tree generations ever . They simply never existed . Humanity evolved by food scarcity in the wild which included gathering first then hunting later in life with the introduction of hunting weapons and fire . Put the horse first and the cart following much later please . Thank You

[@justicericketts2912]

Always a good day when you know you’re going to watch Simon interview a scientist for 2 hours straight, quite informative and invariably love the microbiome conversations!

[@BarryAnderson]

YES i totally agree and KZbin likes it when viewers will sit through to an informative video like this all the way to the end to absorb all of the good useful content . Medium chain fatty acids from coconut meat a medium chain fatty acid is a good healthy fat and this largest seed in the world has the highest dietary fiber of any food which makes this tropical seed good for feeding the microbiome with this foods pre-biotic dietary fiber that feeds the probiotic bacteria residing in the intestinal tract . One of my best weight loss food recommendations by me . Holistic Chef Barry Anderson is building and producing his own Weight Loss Success Documentary series covering his incredible success on the subject to set the record straight once and for all to wake the world up to the truth and to what works for recovery of ones health issues . Diversity from Natures Foods vegan and nonvegan is paramount and must be wild or and organic all the way every day of your life including much more dietary diversity of pre-biotic and vitamin K-1 from leafy greens and vitamin K-2 from cultured fermented vegetables must be included in every diet for support of ones micro-biome .

[@garyssimo]

Well said Barry. I am intrigued with the power of postbiotics like butyrate propionate and acetate I have discovered L Reuteri which is absent from most of modern mans gut these days. Thanks to utube MD William Davis podcasts on it, I am enjoying amazing benefits healthwise from adding it to my arsenal.I think I had SIBO which Reuteri is key to resolve.

[@chiyerano]

I think I would definitely like a microbiome holiday. Thank you for this interview.

[@oanairani41]

This is top notch channel, your guests are amazing. Such quality content....thank you very much for what you do.

[@MickisMom]

I’m new to your podcast/videos. I appreciate you showing science and not dogma. They are very informative and am so glad I found you. That said, I was a bit disappointed that this expert in IBD didn’t have any helpful advice for those of us with Crohn’s or colitis.

[@duartepereira3377]

i had watched parts of your podcast episodes before, and i’ve known about your presence for a while, off course.. but for some reason, i had not dedicated a full length episode to your podcast, yet. I had this one saved, cos Dr. S. Devkota is one of the scientists i always keep on my radar.. and i wanted to congratulate you on making the right questions.. whilst giving her the space to breath and reply to them on the best of matters. You seem to be very gentile towards your guest speakers, and simultaneously being very assertive . Those are good qualities to have as a curious interviewer/podcasts and in the end.. human. Kudos to you, and thank you for this episode, and your work cheers from Portugal. ;)

[@jayalexandertilley]

The simple solution is always profound, and it is being stated over and over again by people at the top of the fields, in all the fields all over the world, and has been known and promoted by Indigenous wisdom forever: Diversity is health, is life, is balance; stewarding and/or being guardian to the incredible wisdom and intelligence that is diversity is essentially the only tending we need to be concerned with.

[@samieramohamed2467]

Balance, consistency,resilience of the whole body.

[@valentinaditoiu8854]

This is a fantastic discussion, I've learned so much.

[@ItsEskai]

I enjoy the balanced feel of your interviews and genuine curiosity 👍🏻

[@Joy80JJ]

Interesting info. You always ask good questions that I want answers for. Thanks Simon.

[@martinabernstein2912]

Absolutely riveting scientific information. Thank you.

[@samieramohamed2467]

Biosensors of our environment is the microbiome.Adaptation is good.

[@rbphilip]

I love her. Not at all concerned to say “ I don’t know”.

[@catherinekasmer9905]

I enjoyed this interview. The part that I had resistance to was the discussion of lipids. First I want to say that the reasoning behind the sentiment of “I don’t worry about saturated fat because our body makes saturated fat” is poor. Let’s point out that an equally valid line of reasoning is that out liver makes cholesterol and that’s because we probably do better eating plants and our body is set up to manufacture what we need from those plants and is not set up to have highly saturated fats circulating in our blood. Much research has been done on the multiple pathways of saturated fat and dietary fat along with animal proteins causing disease- particularly our two top killers: coronary artery disease/ heart disease and type 2 diabetes. I get that the scientist is talking about limited amounts of fats and animal foods, however this is her theory and is not really demonstrated by the science. I do have issues when scientists mingle their scientific findings with theories that are not proven. Of course it is fine to use reason and have theories but it is important to make it clear that this is not demonstrated. In the case of fats in the diet- we do know that autopsies of young people who sue in accidents show atherosclerosis and we do know that most of our older population is affected by atherosclerosis and/or type 2 diabetes and it may indeed be inappropriate to have any dietary saturated fat at all.

[@traveler65]

Agree 100%

[@insertmyidentityhere]

Who is this "We"? No, WE do not all do better eating plants. They actually make many of US sick. Sit down, Catherine & check yourself. Fat does NOT cause diabetes, sugar does. Why are you still repeating tropes from 1985?

[@limitisillusion7]

Your can avoid saturated fat entirely. It's even in plants.

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

Wow, another super fascinating and informative session. Must have Dr Devkota back as more studies are done! Thank you. ❤❤

[@samieramohamed2467]

Dynamic and shift in early microbiome in first 3 years, then puberty, then constant, change and back.

[@sandyglover736]

Another great podcast with excellent information! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@southerngirl1408]

All of your videos, including this one are interesting and helpful. Thank You 👍

[@lorenal6137]

Thoroughly enjoyed this interview. I agree that diversity is key and that ongoing studies are still needed. Thank you Simon for introducing me to Devkota!

[@DavidConard-sq8js]

N, I loved this lady. She clarified so many things for me. One of the best videos I've seen

[@mayurim9839]

1:18:01 = Mind blown! Always learn something new from these episodes; thank you so much Simon and Dr Devkota! :)

[@Greg-kz3cf]

Interesting discussion Simon. Thank you.

[@karlenedavies6655]

Always informative conversations Thank you Simon!

[@jinglebells00]

Taking it all on board for my own personal stomach/gut issues - very interesting and informative listening to the research and study done in the lab by Dr Devkota - I’m informed & more knowledgeable in my own personally stomach/gut health journey which is causing me so much mental and physical distress. This is really helpful. Trying to find out why, how and what to do to improve my diet and to be able to heal my insides.

[@marcjacobson757]

What an impressive scope of knowledge! It will be great to see more human data in the coming years. I also felt so bad for those poor mice being given colitis. Wish we could make scientific progress otherwise, but alas.

[@TenTempeh]

We can. Human studies. It is more reliable data, it just needs more sacrifice coming from human beings that devote their organisms to a bigger purpose, instead of exploitation of other animals that haven't given their consent. That might also make us be more cautious and pertinent with our experiments (take less unnecessary risks).

[@michaelmurphy2795]

Awesome podcast. Very informative.

[@angeladavies]

Excellent information on whole vd, thoroughly enjoyed, got some basics thankyou. Still having my coffee, getting a diversity mostly plants, paying attention to calories and exercise, sleep, circadian rhythm.

[@zachcain2639]

Another great discussion. Touched on it at the end but we’ve heard obesity is contagious to some degree and I’ve always wondered if it’s due to microbiome influence since we know the microbiome is somewhat contagious

[@limitisillusion7]

It's obesity "contagious" or do people that spend time with each other eat similar foods?

[@zachcain2639]

@@limitisillusion7 I guess we’d need a study where we have people eat the same foods while living with an obese person or while living with a non-obese person and see what happens to their weight and microbiome and such

[@limitisillusion7]

@@zachcain2639 Health is more than just the foods we eat. You have to consider the stress in our environments too. You really need to consider everything about the way we interact with our environment... the air we breathe, the things we touch, the food we eat, the soil that food grows in, exercise, even our information diets. If you watch depressing news all-day and don't get depressed, then you're some kind of super human. Our technology isn't helping, but I do think it has the potential to help is we use it correctly.

[@katherinefiori]

very interesting 🙏🌸

[@sarahradford6334]

Fascinating discussion but would like to point out that there is plenty of evidence to support the role of a healthy plant-based diet in improving symptoms of/healing IBD. Myself and many others have been able to do so. I was unable to do this when I was still including animal products in my diet. Diet isn't everything but it is a major contributor to wellness.

[@insertmyidentityhere]

False, plant fiber causes problems for most people with digestive disorders.

[@preslove]

Love this! Devkota is a fav of mine One question I have is the difference between saturated fats between animal and plant foods. 70% dark chocolate has a bunch of saturated fat, but...

[@rafaelgelpi2718]

And smart!

[@SpearChuck777]

At 40:10 there was a perfect opportunity to say sugar and grains affect the microbiome's trajectory/history but instead Dr. Devkota said she didn't know if gut bacteria might be reprogrammed. Grains as you know are GMO (glyphosate residue). Sugar, wheat, corn, rice and soybean oil all influence bacteria. The metabolites produced by bacteria leftover in the carnage may lead to audioimmune reactions.

[@limitisillusion7]

GMOs and glyphosate are two different things. There's not good evidence that whole grains cause auto immune diseases of inflammation. It often depends on the health of the individual. That's why she doesn't say anything about it. She isn't going to make speculations and state them as fact.

[@limitisillusion7]

And the truth is that *all foods* influence the microbiome. There's very little evidence against seed oils either, including soybean oil.

[@SatipatthanaSakuraDragona]

Not gonna lie, the explanation of visceral fat "creeping" around inflamed organs kind of blew my mind. I don't think people appreciate how weird our bodies are often enough.

[@padraicmclean4813]

Many of our microbiome's are deteriorated by our poor diets, environment, antibiotics, and genetics. Once the inflammatory response happens it can be hard to escape it because rarely are these issues treated at the root cause but more just symptoms. Using products with SBI in them is one of the best ways to help restore gut health. SBI has high concentrations of IgG antibodies that treat the root cause and help go into an anti-inflammatory response and improve nutrient uptake. Many doctors are taught to use antibiotics which only puts your microbiome at risk with long-term exposure.

[@samieramohamed2467]

IBD , genetic, Westren inflammatory diet.Stress flare and remission. Dysbiosis.

[@azdhan]

Really interesting. It would be interesting if a study could be properly done to compare the gut microbial make up of those before and after a carnivore diet. Or if anyway to accurately say for sure what represents an optimal or close to optimal gut microbial make up to compare control group, those on vegan diet, those on mediteeanean diet, keto, and carnivore and follow these people long term

[@christopherhall7354]

im diggin this show while eating thinly sliced raw jicama and red onion

[@samieramohamed2467]

Jef Gordon lab . Is worth researching.

[@Leboybandent]

Very interesting episode! As a Chron's patient I'm of course extra invested in the topic. I'm wondering if dairy yogurt is really better than soy yogurt? (Vegan here!) I'm also wondering about the effect of sugar in the kombucha.. And I'm trying to avoid the emulsifiers.. I'm avoiding processed foods as much as I can, but sometimes I see some, for instance in tortilla bread. Are there some foods a health conscious person might eat that might contain these additives without one knowing it? I'm thinking about like beyond burgers or soy yogurt or things like that... Thanks for any tips!

[@insertmyidentityhere]

Crohn's patient & vegan?? 😂🤦‍♀️ Boy, you're a bright one, huh? You really haven't heard how terrible that processed soy slop is for you??

[@Leboybandent]

@@insertmyidentityhere Well. My symptoms have improved ever since I went vegan four years ago. I believe soy and other legumes are health promoting foods. I believe that the fiber and phytochemicals of plants are beneficial both for its prebiotic and anti-inflammatory properties. Each to its own, right? ;)

[@samieramohamed2467]

Effects of microbiome is primary in the gut, secondary the effect on brain,tertiary the metabolic disorders.

[@samieramohamed2467]

Socrates was chooses the wisest man in Athen. His reply was perhaps I know I don’t know so keep learning. The ignorant think know everything.

[@TenTempeh]

1:39:00 I don't get this point. Of course the objective would be for people to switch towards just WATER. Is that such an insane thought? If you say okay artificial sweeteners aren't good but they are better than coke/sugar, it sounds to me like yeah vaping isn't great but it's better than tobacco. It doesn't mean much right? Shouldn't we be more stricts with ourselves and our patients? Instead of being complacent with a half-solution

[@elhant4994]

Great stuff! Microbiome's interaction with fat cells was completely new info for me. I wish though at least one of these experts explain what is wrong with sugared fermented milk besides the fact that it just has more calories. I don't see how it can change any health effects of this food, if anything, it just an adittional food for microbes. After all, even combucha is made using plain sugar.

[@douglas2835]

Given what we know about the microbiome, I'm curious why the scientific community has not come up with a lab grown special cocktail of a mixture of the most beneficial microbiome for each individual and provide it as a "spritz", or a degradable sponge (about the size of a pill), or a gentle colonic. I've always felt all colonoscopies should have a spritz they provide at the end of the procedure on the way out that colonizes the good stuff. It makes so much sense to me.

[@limitisillusion7]

I expect "crapsules" will become popular in the future.

[@musicmonsterman8395]

Simon, you should look up a guy by the name of Georgi Dinkov. He follows a diet called the "ray peat diet" and is an extremely knowledgeable and entertaining biochemist. I think you two could have an incredible convo together!!

[@samieramohamed2467]

Native microbiome needs long adaptations. Self control. Hard to do cross sectional studies. Every one is unique.consistency.

[@samieramohamed2467]

Key stones species in early years. Repopulate if missing species .

[@mmortal03]

The audio mix was too low on this episode, at least on the Spotify version of it. I had my Bluetooth volume and car volume turned up to the max, and it wasn't loud enough while driving, while other podcasts were fine.

[@laurensargent9471]

I’d like the good doctor (PhD) to answer these questions. How can I find an MD who is microbiome literate? If you were obese, what would you do to correct your gut microbiome (and not take scary meds like Ozembic or undergo bariatric surgery). Thank you.

[@thisisyourfinalwarning]

Dr Will Bulciewicz aka The Gut Doctor is an expert in microbiomes and gut health. He wrote 2 books and has been interviewed multiple times on KZbin.

[@TenTempeh]

​@@gb7168microbiome is still an important thing that compromises the arithmetic 'calories in - calories out' concept. This means you can eat the same amount of calories coming from different foods that are more / less obesogenic, leading to different results. It also means that you can eat the same food but having a different microbiome will lead to a different management of that nutrition. Anyways, all this still leads to a same conclusion. Eat food that improves ur microbiome (WFPBDiets that are diverse are great for that). And obviously consider the arithmetic aspect as it is still crucial, independently of the microbiome you host.

[@TenTempeh]

When I said 'obesogenic food' I refer to those foods that affect negatively your microbiome, further leading to metabolic syndrome, obesity, etc.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@gb7168 I did not hear her say she recommended animal products to increase diversity. She said to increase diversity of plant foods, and different kinds of fiber, unless I totally misunderstood. Edit: Oops, I did miss that she actually said diversity including animal products. At about 1:52. Sorry about that. I don't understand that conclusion, but ok.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@TenTempeh To be technically correct, it's not that you can eat the same amount of calories coming from different foods that are more or less obesogenic. If some foods are more obesogenic, that means that you get more calories out of them because of how they are treated in the body. Foods don't "have" calories, but the body creates calories/energy from foods. We can put a number on the calories we think we get from a food, but we are not very good at that, plus it can vary between individuals, like you said. "Calories in calories out" would always be correct if we knew exactly how the body works, but for now, we can only estimate calories.

[@TheProofWithSimonHill]

Hi Friends, Curious to know - which part of our recent conversation did you find the most engaging? Also, if there are any other questions you have in mind about this topic, just leave them below. I'll ensure they're included in our next chat.

[@ericfarmer17]

Didn't get too much out of this one. More studies, everyone is different.

[@samieramohamed2467]

Diversity means more essential functions, redundancy.

[@samieramohamed2467]

Diet affect health and disease is through microbiome.

[@josemama1]

Ray Peat was ahead of all of you. The bio energetic diet of all three macronutrients each meal is the natural human diet. Too bad he didn’t eat what he preached.

[@jakobw135]

If the digestion of animal proteins produces undesirable compounds, does that include plant proteins? If the gut microbiome can make vitamin B, do you still need to take supplements if you're vegan?

[@TenTempeh]

You definitely still need to take supplements. The risk-benefit ratio of realying on your microbiome to produce enough isn't great.

[@carinaekstrom1]

No, plant proteins do not produce those undesirable sulphor components, and how much vitamin B you can make probably varies between individuals. Don't take any chances with vitamin B12.

[@kellyevans9682]

I would recommend having your vitamin B tested to see. I know it has just become a blanket recommendation and I was supplementing a few times a week but finally tested and it was quite high (just outside the normal range) Turns out the plant milks I drink pretty regularly are fortified as well as I eat from my own garden really frequently.

[@samieramohamed2467]

Complement then Smash atopic.

[@aminreviews2311]

Gold AP perpetual calendar 👀

[@rafaelgelpi2718]

Is it better to have kefir or sauerkraut every single day to feed your microbiome or just once a week and take other probiotic foods the other days? What level of diversity to maintain our gut buddies?

[@chiyerano]

Based on the responses given on diversity in the interview, it would be better to eat a variety of other probiotic foods everyday along with sauerkraut and kefir.

[@samieramohamed2467]

Chemical biology of microbiome.TAMO is converted in the liver..

[@espinosalexis]

Sure! Humans can drink water! It's incredible that someone who is interested in human health would say that the alternative to soft drinks is not water! Probably because living in the USA for so long might make you think that water is something strange that cavemen use to drink. And I have to confess that, as a normal Mexican I used to think that. I really used to think that it was impossible to eat tacos without Coke. And most Mexicans think the same. When I come back to visit the family and go out, if I ask for water people ask you back: "Which Water?". Because in Mexico there is always "Lime Water with Sugar", "Fruit Water with Sugar", "Horchata Water with Sugar", "Hibiscus Water with Sugar". No one drinks water! So I sort of understand the comment of Suzanne. But she is wrong! Water is really the best (and only) alternative! (And home made herbal infusions without sugar.) On the other hand, I totally agree that a diverse microbiome is best, and omnivore healthy diet provides more diversity.

[@limitisillusion7]

Regarding the diverse diet, here's what I know. I occasionally eat meat and have no gut problems. My diet is mostly a diversity of plants. But when people don't eat plants (like a carnivore diet) they have intestinal issues when reintroducing the plants. This insinuates that the meat doesn't foster a gut microbiome that can't handle plants, but a plant based diet can handle meat.

[@sandradings8660]

[@samieramohamed2467]

Gene sequencing technology is the tool to study microbiome not old fashioned cultures.

[@peterbedford2610]

Is a carnivore diet not good for ones microbiome ?

[@limitisillusion7]

Put it this way... If you go on a restriction diet, and your gut can then not handle the foods you restrict, then the foods you are eating are not fostering a diverse gut microbiome. Once your gut adapts to a carnivore diet, you usually have problems if you introduce too much fibrous plant foods at once because you do don't have the gut microbiome to handle the fiber. At the same time though, I rarely hear about mostly plants based diets leading to trouble digesting meat. I don't have evidence of either thing, but there sure are lots of anecdotes out there. Your gut adapts to the foods you eat, period. But it seems that a diversity of plant foods fosters the microbes that digest meat, but not the other way around.

[@samieramohamed2467]

Sorry to say it is not the bacteria more in the gut but the viruses. But we study bacteria more.So her comment was not exact. We still studying virome and bacteriophages.Mitochondria is pro bacteria.

[@jakobw135]

P.S. By suggesting a diverse array of foods - including animal products, is she not undermining the beneficial effects of eating more plants and the good bacteria that they produce and support?

[@CharlieFader]

Well, she also seems to have a weird stance regarding saturated fats and a problematic short explanation was given here. “Your body makes them, so we need them obviously…” 😂

[@carinaekstrom1]

At what point did she say we ought to include animal products to have a good diversity? Edit: I found a place where she actually said that. I think she contradicts herself sometimes.

[@CharlieFader]

@@carinaekstrom1 she kind of implied it by saying that more diversity is always preferred.

[@carinaekstrom1]

@@CharlieFader I think she implied that it depends on what kind of bacteria.

[@carinaekstrom1]

Exactly, I think she contradicted herself a bit much.

[@traveler65]

Not too 'gung ho' regarding her comments regarding animal products & the gut microbiome. Don't think she and Dr. Will Bulsiewicz would agree here. Sigh....So which is it??? And her saturated fat comment? 🤔

[@traveler65]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill Don't plan on doing that to see what my tolerance is. Just planning on not consuming it. 👍

[@limitisillusion7]

Saturated fat is in everything, even plants. The effects of saturated fat are likely different depending on what the rest of your diet looks like. For example, a diet high in fibrous plants helps remove excess saturated fat, whereas, the same amount of saturated fat combined with a processed food diet will have different (probably worse) effects. More research will come out on this, but it is very likely that more fiber tamps down the harmful effects of saturated fat, just as it does with blood glucose levels. Activity levels matter too. Whether or not you're in a caloric surplus, deficit, or maintenance also matters.

[@traveler65]

@@limitisillusion7Saturated fat largely comes from animal sources, dairy products & eggs. Yes somewhat true but Do not plan on consuming coconut oil &/or palm....what other plants could you be talking about? Don't know. Been on a 100% plant based journey....optimum health for all parts of my body. Been doing it for 8 years and feeling amazing :)

[@limitisillusion7]

@@traveler65 I've been on a plant-based diet my whole life. Never liked the texture of meat. I eat chicken maybe once a month, plus dairy and a few eggs a month maybe. Keeping saturated fat below 8% of your calorie intake is what the research shows is beneficial for avoiding CVD. There's saturated fat in many plant based oils, as well as avocados and nuts. There's even saturated fat in very small quantities in other fibrous veggies like spinach. You can't possibly remove it from your diet completely, and that's fine. Again, the point is to limit your saturated fat intake.

[@Roztan777]

I'm sorry Simon but with so much respectful researchers out there why should you call someone that use the therm "strict vegans" ? And we can see clearly an intension in discredit evidence showing association with animal based foods - TMAO and CVD. Maybe next guest should be someone that talk about all the internal bias we can carry in our mind, even being top field scientist. This topics in this podcast to me are just specialist opinion based in some evidence; lab work and not a most accurate one.

[@BarryAnderson]

@@TheProofWithSimonHill Holistic Chef Barry Anderson enjoys your selection of good informative guest and health experts of their field and study for nutrition and holistic living all around . Thank you

[@insertmyidentityhere]

Newsflash: its not anyone's job to alter their language around your opinions or personal beliefs. Lol. Are you really that narcissistic & self-absorbed that you think people can't present academic research & information, bc it contradicts YOUR internal biases?? See how that works?

[@samieramohamed2467]

Sorry to say it is uncomfortable to hear the person call himself a scientist to advertise.

[@lanenelson8040]

Ah yes, yet another person that has no problem advocating for some animal products as if there is an inherent benefit yet never is able to mention what that specific inherent health benefit is with including *some* animal products in the diet rather than none. Also, did I miss something or was there something wrong with the American gut project in saying it’s diversity of *plants* ? You seem to get off at taking jabs at vegan diets and it sure is easy when you have people on who don’t understand them. Going on about some crack on combing amino acids. Give me a break

[@insertmyidentityhere]

Its well-established that animal protein and fat is vital for our health. You stomping your feet & getting your panties in a bunch doesn't change that. Grow up.

[@lanenelson8040]

@@insertmyidentityhere vital for health? Apparently you don’t listen to this show much.. but… no. It’s not. For one, you didn’t even answer the question, what exactly is this “vital” thing? And secondly, what evidence do you have showing outcome data that proves animal protein and fat is vital for human health?

[@insertmyidentityhere]

@@lanenelson8040 this is fckng KZbin, Lane, not a university laboratory. You don't get to demand "evidence" 😂 Jesus, time to get off social media & take care of your mental health before you stroke out...

[@limitisillusion7]

While I don't like when people take jabs at any diet, that includes meat consumption. The controversy forces people away from the evidence and into defensive mode. I prefer to minimize supplementation, so I eat some dairy and a bit of whey protein and chicken for iron.

[@lanenelson8040]

@@limitisillusion7 there is nothing vegans *have* to supplement that is inherent in animal flesh or their mammary secretions

[@BarryAnderson]

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