Exploring the MCU timeline for the ABC Marvel TV Shows

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Here's a link to the timeline documents: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1R_PrexMkTjYpQAraxlhzs2U5EPJEPioc. If you'd like to join the discord server, here is a link: discord.gg/r7Y3FyNBk4. There are over 500 members so far. Love to have you be part of the conversation!

[@OpinionParade]

Much appreciated 🍻

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@OpinionParade My pleasure!

[@Lowkidoe29]

Really appreciate how much you show love to Marvel TV

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Really enjoyed those shows and want to give them the love they deserve!

[@Ella.Fairclough]

This video was the reason I watched agents of shield. I have now watched all 7 seasons twice in 2 months. It is now my favourite show of all time.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...that's so cool to hear that. AoS is a fantastic series and I'm glad my vid encouraged you to watch it...and I'm also glad you loved it as much as I do!

[@EinEdwin]

In Loki the TVA said the time travel of the Avengers in Endgame was supposed to happen, which also means the time travel of the Shield Team and with that the creation of the branch where the earht didn't get destroyed, was also meant to happen. I think

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I think that's a very good way to view it. Excellent feedback! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@PaulinaAngel]

I totally agree with you, everything is happening in the same timeline, so them going back from 2091 to 2017 is in the same timeline as the MCU.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@PaulinaAngel Well said!

[@DarthTingleBinks]

It could also happen after Loki has taken his seat in the citadel at the end of time. Now, the word after makes things confusing because Loki is out of time, and the S.H.I.E.L.D. team would experience everything real time, but I think it's probably safe to assume that any time travel not stated to have always been what was supposed to happen happens after Loki season 2, which itself happens after Loki season 1. Again, the word after is confusing, but try not to think about it too much. Of course, I am taking about it with the knowledge of season 2, which released way after your comment was posted.

[@thecollector1626]

The 2091 Branch was allowed to be there because Kang was born on Earth c. 3000, so with no Earth, there is no Kang Variant.

[@shaved_wombat]

Shows like agents of shield and agent carter deserve so much more attention

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I had alot of fun making this vid and giving those shows a nice call out!

[@thekinglydragon]

Hi, I found your channel recently and have been watching a lot of your videos and I just want to say that I'm really impressed with your unending positivity. No matter what you are talking about you always highlight your favourite parts and see the best in it and I really appreciate that. A lot of people who make this sort of content often take a more toxic approach and even among those who don't very rarely do I see anything as constantly positive as you. I think you putting out this positivity into the world is really amazing and that you make the world a better place through doing it in, atleast some small measure. Keep up the fantastic work.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the feedback. I'm so glad you feel I keep things positive. I really do love the MCU and while there are things that can be improved upon, I just find it more enjoyable to talk about the good aspects as there is so must to love. And if I do bring up an aspect that I'm not as fond of, I'd still rather do it with as much grace as I can because I know that just because I don't like something, there are likely other viewers who may love that particular thing. Anyway, I really appreciate the encouragement. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your kind words!

[@hunterterrell5735]

Fun fact, in Captain Marvel, the bartender in where "Vers" and Fury decide to team up at also played Blackout earlier in AoS S1, and some people who worked on the movie hinted that he could be the same character

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point! Yes, that's a great potential connection. Seems like it fits to me! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime Ω Correct...it's just a fun head canon tie-in. There are much more solid tie-ins than the Blackout character between the shows and the movies. But it is a fun head canon item.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@Cris00900340 Agreed...it's just a fun head canon item which has never been stated to be official by Marvel. So that's why I feel it is a potential connection, but not as solid as the other more obvious connections between the movies and shows. But still fun head canon, none-the-less.

[@gary24fan]

Great video and thank you for doing this in your real voice and not trying to make a showman of yourself like so many other people do.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the positive feedback. Yeah, I feel it's so much better to just be me. I think in the long run people appreciate that more than trying to be a showman, as you mention. Really do appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts!

[@hunterterrell5735]

I went ahead and checked, and yes, Slingshot is still here on youtube. Also I was really looking forward to this video, and wasn't disappointed

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great to hear about Slingshot! Thanks for checking on that and thanks for the positive feedback on the vid!

[@juliehindmarch5311]

No surprise u aren’t disappointed, it’s ABOE he never misses

[@CrotaTheStrike]

Got to the video before Dyno did and it’s about AoS, I literally couldn’t be happier. Notification squad ftw

[@leonglitch]

Not just Aos

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Hope you enjoy! Was alot of fun making the video!

[@isaacazocar3155]

I am very thankful you're doing this It pains me so much that people disregard the Marvel Television shows as non-canon to the larger MCU, even when Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is one of the best Marvel products there are and it ties so much with the films, and to see you do this... Hopefully it will shed some light into those non-believers haha. The ABC, Netflix, Freeform and Hulu shows were conceived as canon, produced and filmed as canon, and released as canon. They should and WILL remain as such. I have also researched for years the MCU Wiki timeline a million times, I have Word documents with the timeline, I am doing a Letterboxd list to follow it, I have done MCU-rewatches with following the timelines and dates presented here. It's such an amazing world to dive into, and to know WHEN it all happens, it gives so much insight and sense of realism. Thank you again!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, it's a shame to see people discount Agents of SHIELD. As you said, it was created as canon and Feige has never stated otherwise. So I wanted the video to try to help show how well things tied in with the greater MCU. And I also agree, that wiki is amazing. Such an incredible resource and a great way to plan a re-watch of the MCU. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@TheTurbanator123]

I love the way Deke explains time travel as throwing sticks into a river they become part of the timeline like grandfather paaradox. But too many sticks and you create a damn which makes a new timeline. I always felt like that was a good explanation for captain america becoming an old man. He hung around the background without changing anything so he just ended up being in the main timeline again. That explains why he doesnt travel back through the time machine.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, Deke's explanation was definitely thought-provoking. ig for me, I can't imagine even the smallest change not having a large impact down the line. Kinda like how What If illustrates that one simple decision being different can have such massive impact, especially the father back in time that it occurs. Man, I really wish Marvel would give us a special presentation where they explain what Cap did when he went to live with Peggy. Please, Marvel...please!

[@man.itz.ashton]

been waiting on this one thank you!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

My pleasure. Had a lot of fun putting it together!

[@JcFerggy]

Yay! You posted it. Let me get some snacks and get comfortable for a nice long video! Thoughts to come after.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome...can't wait to hear your feedback. Had alot of fun putting the video together!

[@SuthMasterMC]

Great video (as usual)! You have quickly become one of my favorite MCU content creators. I want to add that I also agree the events of AoS season 5 put the MCU into a new branch, and I think this could reconcile the timeline designation debate. 199999 is the original MCU timeline (where the Earth was destroyed), and 616 is the new timeline that the MCU has been following since December 2017 that was created by the shield agents when they time traveled.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...that's a fascinating explanation for the 199999 v. 616 situation. I like that alot. Who knew it would be Agents of SHIELD S5 to the rescue to resolve the debates! Also, thanks for your kind words about the channel. I love making the videos and it's always nice to hear positive feedback like that. Really appreciate it!

[@hifive789]

Oh I have to watch all the Netflix and ABC stuff. I've seen Inhumans, remember liking it, and I've seen Agents of SHIELD season 1, which I remember loving. I really have to watch all of that at some point.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think you'll really enjoy the Netflix series, especially Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Love those shows!

[@STrav1991]

Love these videos and I look how you're the only channel or resource, aside from the MCU Wiki, who is exploring the Marvel TV timeline in depth. Absolutely agree with the placement of the Agent Carter One-Shot, Agent Carter S1 and Agent Carter S2. Only mild discrepancy with Agent Carter S2 is that Jarvis mentions it's snowing back in New York! In July! I don't think so! But that mild error on the writers aside, everything else fits neatly. With Agents of SHIELD S1, the comment that they manged to evade Talbot for an entire winter is just been taken too literally by the Wiki. Winter lasts December - February in the northern hemisphere and really we don't enter proper spring-time astronomically until mid-March. The foliage in Washington DC in The Winter Soldier is just way too green for it to be in January so I would keep it in its original timeframe of April at earliest. The comment might have been hyperbole on Talbot's part and his team may have been assigned to another task at the end of Winter before going back to Coulson's crew a couple of months later. Everything else from "a year ago" to "a couple of weeks" is kept vague and open to interpretation. I'd place AoS S2 as starting in September 2014 (fitting in with the season start date) and finishing in May 2015. This would fit with S2 taking place a few months later. No disagreements on the rest of the timeline. Everything else is placed as well as it can be and your explanations as always are great!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, tbh, I really struggle with Winter Soldier being in January. I like April (when it was released) alot better. You give some very good food for thought on why things could be shifted to make that April date work. I do think that Ep 1 being set "one year" before Ep 20 is another hint that the season started in May of 2014, but I'd still much rather have Winter Soldier in April timeframe. And I also agree with you that the rest of the timeline fits together very well. Excellent feedback! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@justmeangi]

39:04 - what if...the future they prevented from happening (where the earth was destroyed) was actually a branched timeline (that was caused by certain event) that they had to prevent in order to keep the sacred timeline the way it was always supposed to happen. And them doing so is just a different TVA -free way in "pruning" that branched timeline? A thing that was supposed to happen and has always been planned by Kang in order for them to learn about time travel to then use it in the future and keep the sacred timeline up and running?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting idea! I do really like that the experience allows Fitz to learn about the quantum realm and branching and timelines, etc. In fact Fitz gave a better explanation of how it all worked than we got in Endgame, tbh. So that's a neat theory that Kang wanted it to happen so that our heroes could learn about branching, pruning, etc. Very cool!

[@Rtd976]

My marvel timeline: (the infinity saga is loopers and the following sagas are all me): --infinity saga-- 1. Iron man 2.iron man 2 3.Incredible Hulk 4. The consultant (*marvel one shot) 5. Funny thing happened (*) 6. Thor 7. Capt. America 8. Agent Carter (*) @-Agent Carter 9. Avengers 10. Item 47 (*) @-Defenders saga 11. Capt. America & winter soldier 12. Thor: dark world 13. Iron man 3 14. All hail the king (*) 15. Guardians of the galaxy 16. Avengers: age of ultron 17. Ant man 18. Capt. America: civil war 19. Black panther 20. Spider man: homecoming 21. Guardians of the galaxy 2 22. Dr. Strange 23. Thor: ragnarok 24. Infinity war 25. Ant man & the wasp 26. Capt. Marvel 27. Endgame ---after tony saga--- 28. Spider man: far from home 29. Thor: love and thunder 30. Falcon and the winter soldier 31. Black widow 32. Hawkeye 33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special 34. Guardians of the galaxy 3 35. Echo 36. Shang-chi 37. She hulk 38. Wakanda forever 39. Secret invasion 40. Moon knight 41. Werewolf by night 42. Wandavision --multiverse saga-- 43. Loki S1 44. What if S:1 45. Quantumania 46. Loki S:2 47. What if S:2 48. Madame web ($ Sonyverse) 49. Venom ($) 50. Into the spider verse ($) 51. Venom 2 ($) 52. Spider man: no way home 53. Morbius ($) 54. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness 55. Across the spider verse ($) 56. Ms. Marvel 57. The marvels 58. X-men 97 59. Deadpool 60. Deadpool 2 61. Wolverine and Deadpool 62. The eternals I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline. I recently added the defenders and agent Carter as an accompanying saga to the main timeline. I will add AOS as a side arc as soon as I rewatch them, and figure out where they fit in the main MCU timeline. Maybe even…the inhumans, cloak and dagger, the new mutants, legion and the runaways? Unreleased content as of 9/10/24: 1. Thunderbolts(€) 2. Capt. America: brave new world(€) 3. Agatha all along 4. Blade 5. Fantastic 4 6.Avengers Doomsday 7.Avengers Secret wars 8.Daredevil born again 9.Ironheart 10.Venom: The last dance 11.Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man 12.Marvel zombies 13.Kraven 14.eyes of wakanda 15.Xmen97 S:2 16.What if… S:3 €-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine). @-optional saga included in sacred timeline, post infinity saga. Let me know what you think and enjoy the list! P.S. Madam web is trash and I put it there because it mentioned the web, that’s it. May god have mercy on the souls of the people that made this movie.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@Rtd976

[@Josephdquinn]

Love the content! I’d love to see the Google doc of your complete Marvel Multiverse timeline

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. Really enjoying putting the timelines together. I'm working on the next video, which includes the Hulu and Freeform shows: Cloak & Dagger, Runaways and Helstrom. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@Kompatainment]

Great video! I should rewatch Agents of Shield!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, we have a window of time before Secret Invasion, so it's a great time to watch the shows again!

[@jhay4324]

This really honed my personal timeline for these. Thanks for the excellent breakdown! :)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's great to hear! I had a lot of fun putting the video together, so I'm happy it helped. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@apezcal432]

This is awesome! My mentality is that agents of shield seasons 1-4 happen on the 616(199999) timeline but once it hits season 5 it branches for a short time like with the avengers when they took the stones out. Then sixhappens during the 5 year gap in endgame but in a separate timeline. Then season 7 happens around the same time as endgame with the ending of shield happening as the final battle of endgame is going down. Then fitz says they are going back to their original timeline so everything that happened in that small alternate timeline merges into 616(199999) but they make it back after tony has passed because of how much they jumped through time they don't realize how much time has passed.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a good way to look at it. I agree, it feels like there is branch after season 4. Great feedback on the vid. Thanks so much for watching!

[@Hsjfiwbrbffbabs]

do you still think the winter soldier takes place in january? the wiki says it takes place in march and in 2014 winter ended in late march

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent question! I made this AoS timeline vid before we knew what would be in the timeline book, but once we knew that Winter Soldier was going to be in March, I made a short vid going over why I like March better and how it can still work okay in Agents of SHIELD season 1. Here's a link in case you want to check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2PNo4uBgNuZY9E.

[@WhiteRaven696]

AOS 4x05 actually has a mention of Doctor Strange’s final battle, and makes it sound very recent. Which backs up both AOS 4 and the Hong Kong battle as being in early 2017.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, great point! I didn't mention the Dr. Strange connection, but I should have. Excellent addition to the list of evidence for that placement.

[@ollyhodges]

What's the reference?

[@ontos8914]

@@ollyhodgesthey just mention a disturbance in Hong Kong which they think might be an inhuman related incident

[@theorycraftingmachine2876]

The events of Captain America The Winter Soldier happen in Washington D.C., which is in the southern states, so that makes sense why their is grass growing!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Okay, that makes me feel alot better. I'm good with a January date as long as the weather fits. There's no doubt that Agents of SHIELD firmly places the movie in January. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@k9feline2]

My theory is that by the end of Season 5, all that's happened on Earth in Infinity War was the attack on New York, or maybe the attack on Vision in Europe. When Daisy, Simmons, Piper, and Davis take off in outer space looking for Fitz, they left before the Snap happened, which is why none of them worry that he's been blipped- because they just don't know about it. Season 6 shows the Agents of SHIELD on Earth driving around in public in cars with the SHIELD logo on them, indicating SHIELD has by this time regained official, respectable status in the world. Frankly, after the 5 seasons of unending public relations nightmares, I don't see how that could be possible *except* because of the Snap. If SHIELD managed to survive the Snap virtually intact, then it just stands to reason that a lot of other government/international peacekeeping agencies were all but obliterated. So there'd be a great deal of public, worldly relief that there's still at least one such agency where all of its trained, seasoned professionals are still around to keep the peace. This is reinforced in Endgame, where we see by the end of the Blip, Steve and Natasha are no longer fugitives. After the immensity of half of all life on Earth ceasing to exist, the controversaries surrounding the MCU's heroes would feel like they no longer matter.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow, that's some great feedback. I really like your points about why SHIELD would be respected again during the blip, as people needed SHIELD in place to help with all the insanity that life would have been like during the blip. I'd really love for Marvel to keep all of Agents of SHIELD canon and perhaps we'll get a much better idea about things when Daisy returns in Secret Invasion (fingers crossed). Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@InitialAA]

Watched the shows years ago, thus I didn't really remember some of the finer details and dates (I need to rewatch the ABC shows). How you explain why they dismissed the plans for S.H.I.E.L.D. sounds like an interesting explanation. Makes sense. Thanks for the video, love your enthusiasm.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@CredibleCommenter]

At first I was like “Whoa they had more shows than I realized” and then noticed how many of them were different Agents of Shield seasons haha

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Yeah, sorry for the confusion. I just thought it was cool to see the logos for each season of the shows. But I didn't even think about how confusing that might look. Oops! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@MotivationalGrindForLife]

Thank you so much this was really helpful!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome...so glad to hear it helped. Had alot of fun putting that vid together!

[@MotivationalGrindForLife]

@@AbitofEverything4U I’m currently re watching everything ready for secret wars so I’m so grateful!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@MotivationalGrindForLife Awesome! Have fun doing the rewatch!

[@cosmicjaybird]

Awesome video! And its cool to see someone acknowledge that the timeline could have diverged from sacred timeline in s4/5 rather than just the last series. My theory is always been that the timeline that we see the team return to at the end of Agents Of Shield is still not original sacred timeline, there are too many key differences still, the main one being that Shield as an organisation has retuned in a big way, which doesn’t seem to be the case in the current MCU. I think that just by going forward into the future at the end of S4 creates a branch in itself, the present they return to is one where Thanos happens to lose the Battle Of Wakanda. This is why we don’t see evidence of the blip in season 6. I think in the main timeline there is an alternate version of the shield team that didn’t travel forward in time at all at the end of the s4, thus not creating the whole self fulfilling timeline loop to begin with. Maybe I’m overthinking this, but it makes sense to me rather than just the time travel in season 7 causing a divergent timeline as there there are just too many differences by that point already.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said! I agree...that's the way I view things as well. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@Rtd976]

My marvel timeline: (the infinity saga is loopers and the following sagas are all me): --infinity saga-- 1. Iron man 2.iron man 2 3.Incredible Hulk 4. The consultant (*marvel one shot) 5. Funny thing happened (*) 6. Thor 7. Capt. America 8. Agent Carter (*) @-Agent Carter 9. Avengers 10. Item 47 (*) @-Defenders saga 11. Capt. America & winter soldier 12. Thor: dark world 13. Iron man 3 14. All hail the king (*) 15. Guardians of the galaxy 16. Avengers: age of ultron 17. Ant man 18. Capt. America: civil war 19. Black panther 20. Spider man: homecoming 21. Guardians of the galaxy 2 22. Dr. Strange 23. Thor: ragnarok 24. Infinity war 25. Ant man & the wasp 26. Capt. Marvel 27. Endgame ---after tony saga--- 28. Spider man: far from home 29. Thor: love and thunder 30. Falcon and the winter soldier 31. Black widow 32. Hawkeye 33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special 34. Guardians of the galaxy 3 35. Echo 36. Shang-chi 37. She hulk 38. Wakanda forever 39. Secret invasion 40. Moon knight 41. Werewolf by night 42. Wandavision --multiverse saga-- 43. Loki S1 44. What if S:1 45. Quantumania 46. Loki S:2 47. What if S:2 48. Madame web ($ Sonyverse) 49. Venom ($) 50. Into the spider verse ($) 51. Venom 2 ($) 52. Spider man: no way home 53. Morbius ($) 54. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness 55. Across the spider verse ($) 56. Ms. Marvel 57. The marvels 58. X-men 97 59. Deadpool 60. Deadpool 2 61. Wolverine and Deadpool 62. The eternals I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline. I recently added the defenders and agent Carter as an accompanying saga to the main timeline. I will add AOS as a side arc as soon as I rewatch them, and figure out where they fit in the main MCU timeline. Maybe even…the inhumans, cloak and dagger, the new mutants, legion and the runaways? Unreleased content as of 9/10/24: 1. Thunderbolts(€) 2. Capt. America: brave new world(€) 3. Agatha all along 4. Blade 5. Fantastic 4 6.Avengers Doomsday 7.Avengers Secret wars 8.Daredevil born again 9.Ironheart 10.Venom: The last dance 11.Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man 12.Marvel zombies 13.Kraven 14.eyes of wakanda 15.Xmen97 S:2 16.What if… S:3 €-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine). @-optional saga included in sacred timeline, post infinity saga. Let me know what you think and enjoy the list! P.S. Madam web is trash and I put it there because it mentioned the web, that’s it. May god have mercy on the souls of the people that made this movie.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@Rtd976

[@Celebok]

Great video! I love how you break down the individual episodes and all the indications to narrow down their placement. The thing about the time travel in Season 5 and preventing the earth getting destroyed and thus creating a branch, with Infinity War happening in that new branch, totally makes sense with the Endgame time travel rules. BUT... I really have a hard time watching Season 6 and believing that it's happening during the blip! This is why my personal headcanon has all of seasons 5-7 happening in a different timeline from the main MCU, despite no on-screen statements to suggest it. Enoch sends the agents through the monolith, which sends them into the future of a different universe, and then when they return to the present, they create a branch off of THAT universe. Somehow, Thanos failed to get all of the stones in that universe, so the snap never happened. But that's just my own theory, and I understand that without any actual evidence from the shows to back it up, it can't really go into anyone else's official timeline, so under that basis, I agree with the timeline branching concepts you talked about here.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I have many times wondered if S5-7 are in a different timeline. Those are the hardest seasons to accept as 616 canon. For the purpose of this video and the timeline, I took the assumption that it is all canon to 616, but I'm totally with you that I would honestly prefer things to have split off from 616 at the end of S4. Maybe the timeline book coming out later this year will give us the answers one way or another. But for now, it's just nice to see the timeline all laid out together and then people can decide from there which seasons they feel are canon to 616. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@willthethrill180]

Agents of SHIELD seasons 4 & 7 are some of my favorite things in the MCU

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the writing on the show was amazing and the characters were fantastic. Was alot of fun going back to look at the seasons once again!

[@Buffy8Fan]

Same actor not character mean different universe within the multiverse concerning _Inhumans._ 36:04-39:07 is why I believe the last two seasons are an alternate universe and Coulsen is dead at the end of S5 and why they didn't need to acknowledge anything about _Infinity War,_ because in this universe Thanos never snapped. This also makes S7 time jumping/traveling in an alternate universe, which, IMHO makes Susa's characters romantic storyline more plausible.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great observation! Yeah, I would be very surprised if Inhumans is considered canon going forward.

[@Buffy8Fan]

@@AbitofEverything4U I think _Multiverse of Madness_ made it canon *because* it recognized an alternate universe with Black Bolt.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I definitely think MoM made Inhumans canon to the multiverse, I'm just not sure if it means Inhumans is canon to 616. I'm fine either way, but I just suspect Feige wants to start over fresh with the Royal Family.

[@WhiteRaven696]

So are you gonna round out this video and the Netflix video into a trilogy with a video for a timeline on Cloak & Dagger/Runaways/Helstrom?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That is indeed the plan! Looking forward to rounding things out with that final installment to the trilogy!

[@WhiteRaven696]

@@AbitofEverything4U You may have to wait a bit if you’re using the Wiki as a resource, then. Lol We’re still hammering out Helstrom, but it’s looking like it takes place when it was released; October 2020.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that's my guess as well. It is likely happening during the blip.

[@Cris00900340]

Daisy probably wasnt working for SWORD because the seats on the Zephyr still had the SHIELD logo

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I heard rumors that they were not allowed to use the SWORD acronym in the show, but I suspect it was still a nod to SWORD none-the-less. Either way, I'm really hoping she comes back in Secret Invasion. Fantastic character and fantastic actress. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@jonathanmcintosh9258]

Well marvel studios said they could use it they never said they couldn’t IMPLY it also I think daisy was just helping fury in between the 1 year gap which will hopefully be explained when secret invasion FINALLY comes out

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@jonathanmcintosh9258 Right! I think the show's finale certainly implied Daisy and the gang were working for SWORD, even if they couldn't say it directly. Really do hope Secret Invasion clears things up as much as possible.

[@nicofors]

I kinda think that the Agents of Shield branched off of the sacred timeline in season 3, when Daisy survived her dead that Robin's dad had predicted. I feel like that was a nexus event and who knows, maybe there wouldn't have been Graviton if Daisy had died.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very interesting theory! Yeah, it feels like the show started off as canon and then veered off into a branch at some point. Will be very interesting to see what Feige does with the show, considering that the Netflix shows are now canon.

[@mds_main]

Amazing video, you explained everything perfectly, especially the two instances of time travel and how they are actually compliant with the Endgame rules. I hate when people say that the Agents ended up in another timeline after season 5 when they actually returned to the main one. Anyway, what about the timeline placement for Fitz, Simmons and Enoch between S6 and S7 when they try to figure out time travel? They stay for some years in the "present" to figure time travel out. I've never done the math, but I always figured they at least managed to live through Endgame and that is probably when they learned of the Quantum Realm and its time travel possibilities.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks...I wanted to put this together to show just how well connected it all was and how it worked into the greater MCU with ease. And you raise a good point about Fitz...I need to think that through, but I bet you are right that he may well have learned about quantum travel from the time heist in Endgame. Love that thought!

[@Thecoolestpersonudontknow]

I started watching AoS while season 7 was releasing and I remember being so sad after the end of season 5 I watched half of the first episode of season six (I was binging it so I moved on straight away) and then I decided I was too sad and I took a three month long emotional break before starting season six again 😭💀. The show is just too good and only takes about four days to watch fully back-to-back with no breaks! (And no I haven’t done this, I only calculated but I don’t recommend you try it - sleep is important!)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree, Agents of SHIELD is a fantastic show and I hope people give it a try if they haven't seen it yet, because you get addicted very quickly. Fantastic characters, wild stories, and great production values the entire way through. Thanks for sharing your experience with the show. I'm very happy to hear you enjoyed it so much!

[@maskerriz2616]

If we say The Dark World occurs in November 2013 then I dont see why AoS episodes 8 - 16 cant stretch further into 2014... maybe even around March/April time.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm thinking that has to be the answer. It seems that the Timeline book has placed Winter Soldier in March of 2014, so I think stretching AoS Ep 8-16 to that timeframe works fine. Nice call!

[@maskerriz2616]

@@AbitofEverything4U no worries, and just quickly I want to say thank you for all the hard work you've put into these videos... they have truly helped me fix conundrums I had within my own timeline and they've also taught where I've gone wrong for future projects that need placing

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the kind words and the positive feedback. Had a lot of fun putting those timelines together and I love chatting about differing thoughts and ideas with fellow MCU fans!

[@profbfc]

Wow, you are a god! Possible the best mcu youtuber

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. I have alot of fun putting together the timelines. I'm so glad to hear you enjoyed the video!

[@aptak7518]

my headcanon is s1 - s5 took place in the main mcu, but s6 and s7 take place in an alt reality where thanos never snapped the population, and that's why all members of the team survived. this also gives a chance to meet the team through an incursion or something.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think that's a very valid position to take. In the video, I decided to stick with the idea that it's all part of the 616 MCU for the sake of illustrating how it would all fit in to the timeline in that case. But I do think the idea that AoS branched at some point from 616 has merit. I hope one day Marvel will give us a definitive answer. But for now, I hope this video served to show how it would all fit in if there was no branch off of 616. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@tyrelbass]

I wish agents of shield had more cameos from like Natasha and Clint since they worked for shield. Even Captain America showing up for at least 1 episode would have been big

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think they avoided any of the main Avengers appearing, as they wanted Agent Coulson's return to be a secret. But I agree, it would have been fun to have a cameo from some of the OG Avengers at some point. Great feedback! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@charjane619]

one suggestion i do have for your ‘winter soldier in january??’ conundrum is that the ‘one year ago’ from aos s2e20 is that the falshback was likely to have been set before the events of the actual season, possibly by a few months. this pushes everything forward, and could make it a possibility that the winter soldier was in febuary or march. so winter soldier (febuary - march) ➡️ the flashback (maybe may-early june 2014) ➡️ start of season 2 (august - september 2014) ➡️ season 2x20 (late may or early june 2015).

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great commentary on the vid! Yeah, the official timeline book shifted a few things around abit, but I actually think it works better for Agents of SHIELD. If you haven't seen them yet, check out these two vids that discuss how the timeline book impacted season 1 of Agents of SHIELD: Iron Man 3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfOnpZsgsuMbK8 Winter Soldier: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2PNo4uBgNuZY9E Really appreciate all the excellent feedback!

[@JcFerggy]

You mention at the end that they jump back to their original timeline, yet at the end of season 5 they created a branch. So would that imply that the Agents are in a timeline outside of the movies, since the movies are now following that branch?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question. Sorry I didn't explain that better. So after S5, they were in a branch where they prevented the earth from being destroyed, but of course to them it was now their main timeline. Then in S7, they go back in time and create a brand new branch, but in the end of S7, then get back to the timeline from the end of S5 where they kept the earth from being destroyed. Let me know if that makes more sense. It's pretty crazy stuff due to all the time travel. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@MarvelTemplars]

Is Iron Man 3 before or after Thor: The Dark World?? I'm confused with Iron Man 3 placement

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question...unfortunately I made this video well before the timeline book gave the official placement of Dec, 2013 for Iron Man 3. However, I made this short follow-on video to explain how I think it actually works better in 2013 including how it ties into Agents of SHIELD abit better in this placement: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfOnpZsgsuMbK8.

[@samwiseplaysyt485]

We could see a AOS reference in across the spiderverse, Spiderman 2099 could get his tech or smth from the aos who time traveled to 2091

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That would be an amazing connection with AOS, if it happens. I really hope we start seeing more and more ties between the Spider-verse and the MCU. Both Across and Beyond the S-V look to be amazing!

[@coolerkerl8469]

46:45 wait where did that november date come from now? The last time jump you mentioned was in october

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow...so you are the first person to catch that. I have zero clue why I put November. It is definitely October. Great job!

[@coolerkerl8469]

@AbitofEverything4U ok good 😅 I was so confused when you suddenly said November. I was like "did I miss something?"

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I have no clue what that was about. My only guess is that at one point the wiki listed that episode is stretching into November… But honestly, I have no clue where I got that.

[@daviesimms5232]

U can look at the SHIELD S5 branch thing as He Who Remains manipulating the agents to undo the Earth destroyed timeline

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Nice! I think that's a good explanation!

[@pablovelasquez5816]

The reason for season 5 to be so messy is that writers didn't knew what was going to happen exactly on Infinity and Endgame. BTW great videos

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it's such a bummer that the writers weren't told what was going to happen with Infinity War and Endgame. Otherwise, they could have made a much tighter connection. But I did still enjoy those final seasons of Agents of SHIELD. Heck in 2020, the only Marvel content we had was AoS's final season, so that was real treat. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@ryantabet9388]

SPOILERS!!! Agents of Shield in my opinion explores great ways to time travel as when they travel through a branched timeline they continue through it and don't go back to the sacred timeline unless through the quantum realm which we saw happen. I think in S5 the shield agents fixed a timeline from being branched off and continued onto the sacred timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree, AoS Season 7 was peak time travel. And I also think your theory on Season 5 makes sense!

[@totallynotgibby9008]

This might have been answered in a previous comment, but if iron man 3 happens after thor 2, how would you break those episodes up for season 1 of AoS? I figured somewhere after episode 11 might make the most sense, but i wanted to know how you would break it up, thanks!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question! I cover that in this short vid that came out right after we knew where Iron Man 3 was going to be placed: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfOnpZsgsuMbK8,

[@aptak7518]

no way lmao your google sheet is literally the exact same layout as mine. haha

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiiice! Yeah, I found that format very easy to follow. It's alot of information to process, so having it all laid out like that was very handy!

[@Notlikehawkman]

So, which season 2 episodes come before the two guardians of the galaxy films and I am Groot and which ones come after?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question. I personally like to watch entire seasons as a group, so I don't normally break down a show by episodes, unless there is a direct crossover with an MCU movie (i.e. such as with the Winter Soldier). Since the Guardians movies are in outer space, I didn't break it down to the episode level for those movies. However, the Marvel Cinematic Universe wiki does break down events to the day (truly amazing)! You can check out their timeline here: marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Timeline

[@ontos8914]

Episode 1-7 is before Thor The Dark World ep 8-16 is before The Winter soldier and 17-22 work best between winter soldier and gotg

[@Notlikehawkman]

@ I was referring to season 2: not season 1.

[@ontos8914]

@ me personally I think it works best if you just put it after gotg 2 and I am groot cause there’s some overlap but since there’s no actual interaction between those movies and the show

[@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy]

I really hope that they canonise Agents of Shield (not because Fitz is Scottish) through Secret Invasion. they can forget about Inhumas

[@emanuelrodriguez9044]

How can they canonized agents of shield without Inhumans when the secondary main character is Daisy. Being a Inhuman is her whole backstory.

[@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy]

I just dislike the Inhumas show

[@sssspider]

@@emanuelrodriguez9044 Honestly, they’ll probably just retcon her into a mutant like they did with Kamala. It’s not like there’s any meaningful difference once their powers have been awakened, anyways.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I am crossing my fingers we see Daisy return in Secret Invasion. Would be amazing!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@emanuelrodriguez9044 Good question. I actually made a video about several options for how to address the Inhumans situation. Here is a link, if you are interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZDOaK1vbN2Xb5Y.

[@draftspartan1182]

I'm not entirely convinced that the Agents created a branch in S5. We haven't seen any time travel going forward in time (unless you count Loki going to "future" years but with the TVA time relativity isn't really a thing and those were apocalyptic events). So, it's hard to say if someone time travels to the future and then returns to their present (which is the past from the future pov), if that would create a branch or not. When the Avengers time traveled in Endgame, they created branches in the past, but they returned to their present. Does that mean they created a branch in their present? Where they continued on their lives post-snap without retrieving the stones? Regardless, I hope we get more explanation for time travel rules/logic and universes/timelines and dimensions. With AoS, Endgame, and Loki seemingly having multiversal time travel, Ms. Marvel having fixed time travel, and...sigh...Runaways seemingly having dynamic time travel, we need some definitive rules/explanation ESPECIALLY as we're getting into much more Kang, who's whole gimmick is time travel.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback. Yeah, the time travel in S5 is still very confusing to me. S7's time travel made total sense and I really enjoyed it, but S5's time travel hurts my head abit. So I think it would be great if Marvel really nailed down the specific time travel rules and how they work. In addition to all the things you mentioned (Agents of SHIELD, Endgame, Ms. Marvel, Loki, Runaways), now we will have Deadpool thrown in the mix soon, which had some crazy time travel as well. We need answers, Marvel! Anyway, really appreciated all your comments. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@BrickMania2]

Is there anything to suggest that Infinity War needs to happen on the branch? The people who could possibly destroy the earth with the Gravitonium were Ruby, Creel, Talbot and Daisy. Daisy wouldn't be on the sacred timeline since she time traveled. It was established Ruby and Creel couldn't handle it. And Talbot only took it to save the team, which could only happen if he was freed, which couldn't happen if the team wasn't on the sacred timeline. The Confederacy were always gonna double cross Hale trying to get Gravitonium and Inhumans before Thanos would arrive. If they couldn't do it before then, then wouldn't they just flee? Maybe I'm missing something but why does Infinity War need to be on the branch?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

My apologies if I'm not completely following your question. I didn't mean to say Infinity War was on a branch as it is part of the main MCU. But it does seem that there needs to be a branch in season 5 somewhere. We know that Fitz went into hibernation in the main timeline and woke up in the future where things were destroyed, so that seems to be the main timeline. But then Daisy comes back to the present and alters the timeline. Honestly, it hurts my brain abit every time I think about it and it seems no two fans completely agree on what happened. But there does seem to be a branch somewhere. Not sure if that answers your question, but if you think I have it wrong, I'm very open to changing it. And thx for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@BrickMania2]

@@AbitofEverything4U Love your vids, especially on fitting outside material into the timeline/canon! So it's possible I misunderstood what you were saying, but I thought you were suggesting that the gang returning from the future in Season 5 created a branched timeline in which Infinity War, Endgame and everything past it happened. So essentially we as viewers switch which timeline we're looking at post season 5.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, right, I'm following you now...yeah, I was throwing that idea out as one possible way to make it work. Using endgame branching logic it seemed they would need to create a branch if they changed the past. So things originally wend down with the earth being destroyed by Quake, but then they returned to the present and altered the timeline. So that should be a branch at that point. But I think that the show assumed that they could change the way things went and thus it didn't create a branch. It is definitely a confusing storyline if you think about it too hard. What are your thoughts about how Daisy was able to alter the past?

[@omas1178]

Something funny to consider is in season 5 when the earth gets blown up, does the celestial inside it just drift off into space not while quite being born yet

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, that's a really good point. It would be an interesting What If episode to see how that would have all gone down. I wonder if Arishem came to visit what was left of the earth, and tried to save the now presumably helpless Tiamet. Lots of interesting ways that could go down! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@samuelkasim2682]

Really nice video, sadly i just discovered it after reading the timeline book recently released and have finally accepted that AoS isn't canon to the sacred timeline and is most likely a branch timeline. It does somewhat add up though, as its believable that in this timeline the agents and shield may have backed up the avengers in the battle of wakanda (just like they did in the ultron battle) and successfully stopped thanos from snapping. At least the previous marvel studios book, outright called agent carter canon as well, which means its sacred timeline canon to

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'm really bummed about AoS not being part of the sacred timeline, but it doesn't change how amazing that series was and also it is still canon, so it means we could get some crossovers for Secret Wars, which would be great!

[@timtyson3910]

What if he who remains made it so the agents saved the world from blowing up in order to ensure his survival for the future? Also if you want I can hunt down the mcu games and novelizations to take notes for the timeline

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yes, I could see the argument that He Who Remains had a vested interest in the earth being saved. Love that! And if you do have any additional facts from the games/novelizations, that would be great. I always love more info to help place the timeline appropriately. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@timtyson3910]

Alright I have iron man 1 and 2 not all the details line up with the movies but I also have someone of the older marvel movies I could read

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@timtyson3910 Yeah, those movies are definitely the ones that have the most debate on placements. I'm really hoping that the upcoming book on the timeline answers those questions once and for all.

[@timtyson3910]

Alright I'll get to reading

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

I like the explanation for the time loop in S5 but what we lean in Loki completly destroys that logic, cause we know everything that is suppose to happen was decided by He Who Remains, so if we take that season as canon, that means the Sacred Timeline involves a timeloop wher people from 201x travels to the future to them return and destroy Earth and it also involves the destruction of said loop creating a new continuity, which sounds crazy for the TVA to control. S6, we didn't see much of society but it looked like it didn't matter if it was space or the Earth nobody mentions the snap and Cap Marvel said the problems happen all over the universe or galaxy. S7... cool you love it, but I couldn't, there are a lot of cool debates in the team like "should they kill the evil man to make a better future or not?" That are make pointless by the fact that in the last episodes Fitz appears to confirm the branching rules, so no matter what changes they make their timeline will remain the same. Also the Chromicons were suppose to know at any moment what was suppose to happen in the end but for some reason they felt the need to get to their ship when it's about to time jump when they can't age so they could stay in the past since the beginning to carry their plans but decide not to until dome episodes later. But it has a very nice farewell for our héroes.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great commentary as always. I do agree that we learn in Loki that He Who Remains controlled everything that happened, but perhaps that does fit in with S5. You could view it that HWR saw that the earth would be destroyed and thus paved the way for the Chromicons to show the agents of SHIELD the path to prevent it. Being at the end of time (and thus outside of time), HWR is aware of all of time and thus all of the potential branches, so I guess I don't see it as an issue that HWR could set in motion the way to ensure a branch where the earth survives. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of the time travel in S5 (as I mention in the video), but I'm not sure it couldn't all fit into HWR's plans. As for S6, I agree, it's the most troubling. As you likely know from other videos I've made, I think society was a total mess during the time of blip, so it makes it hard to believe that S6 and the end of S7 could occur during the blip. But I do think it's possible it could happen that way, even it's not entirely probable. You are correct that in S7 they have alot of philosophical time travel debates that could be argued to be a bit of a moot point considering they are in a branch. But keep in mind, they could still have changed things in their branch. Had they never returned to their home timeline, then the branched timeline was their new timeline. In a way, we were seeing what it might have been like when Steve Rogers went into the past at the end of Endgame and lived out his life in the new branch. Imagine being aware of the tragedies of history and deciding to prevent them. I think that's what Steve did in his branch. So I don't think the discussions in S7 were a waste or pointless in that regard. Finally, I also loved S7 for the reason you mention. It was a really fun way to end our time with the team we'd spent 7 years with. Anyway, just my thoughts on your excellent feedback. Thanks as always for your insightful analysis!

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

@@AbitofEverything4U HWR being outside of time is tricky but I have to assume that the shows that Marvel release after Loki happens after Loki, cause for example S1 of Loki wouldn't make much sense except for the end if What If was release before. So I just take the assumption that everything that released after Loki "happens" after it. With that being said the time loop in S5 must happen while the TVA is controling branches for HWR (because Loki came after it), if we take it as part of the Sacred Timeline and the conclusion of S5 too, then for example the ST has 2 versión of year 2030, one where the destruction of Earth happens and one were it didn't, which means the TVA is overseeing at least 2 timelines cause the loop needs to happen for the breaking of it to happen, so anything post destruction of Earth should happen but at the same time anything that happens when they defeat Graviton must happen too, so yeah that would mean the Sacred timeline at least are 2 timelines. It just feels weird but some people suggest the ST should be a lot of universes controlled, but I don't think that helps HWR to prevent Kang's existent

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, one this is certain, Marvel needs to explain the Sacred Timeline in greater detail. But I do think Waldron strongly implied that the ST is not one timeline, but several interwoven timelines. I have referenced that quote in a few earlier videos. And if that's the case, then if feels like AoS S5 has a greater chance of fitting into things. However, in the end, I'm not a fan of the logic of S5, which I mention in the video. I think it can work, but it's just alot more convoluted than I would have preferred, and that's even prior to Loki's storyline. So I suspect S5 will be debated for years to come. Thus, I just watched it for the enjoyment of it all and then tried to lay out one possible solution. But I have complete respect for anyone that disagrees with what I laid out in the video and also what is on the wiki. Timey wimey stuff is just so dang confusing!

[@jonathanmcintosh9258]

I know a lot of people believe season 6 onwards is a branched timeline because of the snap but even though you COULD say they went back to the past from their POV they went back to the present endgame shows if you go to the past change things than go back to the future nothing will Chang but the difference they stayed in the present to make sure things were fixed

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, S5's ending will be a point of debate for a long time to come, I suspect. It really comes down to whether you can go to the future, get knowledge, come back to your present and use that knowledge to then change your future. It's a different type of time travel from Endgame and so the rules could in fact be different. I'm kinda hoping that Deadpool 3 casts some light on time travel rules, as DP 2 (as well as DoFP) had some very funky time travel that seemingly broke the Endgame rules. So the DP 3 movie is a great time for Marvel to try to tie everything together once and for all. Hoping they really knock it out of the park and provide some overarching narrative to how time travel works. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@jasonreidy6893]

I think. A.O.S season 3 should be broken into episodes 1-10 and then 11-19 with daredevil season 2 in the middle because after episode 10 of shield. I don’t remember which episode but one of them had a news headline with something alone the lines of “ gang war continues in Hell’s Kitchen “

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, that's a good point. On the wiki they do break things down episode by episode. I decided to break it into pieces based on the movies for simplicity in the video, but there is indeed merit in going down to the episode level. Excellent feedback. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@jasonreidy6893]

@@AbitofEverything4U will you be doing a video for runaways and cloak and dagger ?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I will indeed. That will be the last in the series of Marvel TV. Will get to work on it right away!

[@DarthTingleBinks]

I'm gonna try to find some fixes for S.H.I.E.L.D.'s continuity while listening to the video again. Starting off, since Marvel places Iron Man 3 after Thor: The Dark World, I have no problem in assuming that S.H.I.E.L.D. learned about Extremis before Tony Stark did. In fact it seems likely they knew about it before he did. Edit: The Winter Solider and Age of Ultron connections do make things a bit confusing, for sure. But, when I was trying to understand why you were placing S2E1 one year before episode 20, I decided to just watch a reaction video instead of watching the episode. And... I heard Keonig specifically say, "Simmons seems to adjusting well to Hydra." This doesn't really make it seem as if Simmons has been undercover for several months already, but that her undercover mission has recently started. And we know she leaves soon after S1 ends. So, I am placing the "One Year Ago" flashback to maybe a week or two after S1 ends, and Age of Ultron therefore, a year after S1 ends as well, which would move a lot of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 1 ahead to line up better with Winter Soldier's placement. And, considering that the Helicarrier subplot was the last order Fury probably gave to Coulson, then Winter Soldier absolutely HAS to take place in the Spring. However, it's important to note that it would change up a lot of S2's placement, because it would necessarily move much of it to the Spring of 2015, before Age of Ultron in May. So March-April. And it would recontexualize a lot of comments. Talbot's comment about the team evading them for a whole Winter? Well, it just means that, at least during the Winter of 2014-2015, they managed to evade Talbot. But perhaps there's some time between the end of S1 and that winter where they weren't able to completely evade him. That's just speculation to make the new placement work, though. But I think the more important information is how long it's been since Simmons left. So I just want to break down your two statements about the "months". The first, stated by Coulson, is that the plane has been gathering dust for months. It doesn't mean it's been months since season 1, though. And I want to focus on that language in contrast to the next quote. "In the months since, he's grown isolated". This line is referring to Fitz, but I want to point out how they use the words months. In the first quote, they preface the word with "for". In the second, they preface it with, "in the". That is very important. When people use "for" before anything, they usually don't mean it's been a lot of that thing. "For weeks" is a number of weeks, but not under two months time. "For years" is usually under five years, because then people would usually start saying "half a year," "over half a year," or, "almost a year". But people usually don't say, "a month and a half," or, "almost two months," except in very specific circumstances where specificity is required. So, when people say, "for months" they usually means less than half a year, because there are clearer ways of generalizing how long it's been than that. But that's just how long the plane has been gathering dust for. So several months, but less than half a year. Which actually somewhat supports my Winter of 2014-2015 speculation earlier. But, if you were to use "in the" instead of "for" in any of those circumstances, it demands less specificity. For weeks, it could mean anything from 2 weeks, to any amount of weeks under two months, as that's when you would switch to months. For years, it could means ANYTHING under a decade. For decades, anything under a century, generally close to the start or end of another decade. For months, though, it can means anything from two to eleven months. So oddly enough, while "for" is mainly used for very little of something, people will change the language following the word more often for higher specificity in communication. With "in the" it doesn't require that, giving a lot more leeway. All we know, is that it hasn't been a year since Simmons left, because they would have said "In the year" rather than "in the months". It's also a little specific, but the months covers a lot more time than the year does, which is important. So... Simmons starts her undercover mission in Hydra soon after season 1 ends. Around the same time, Coulson and Keonig start working on the Helicarrier, a year before Age of Ultron. At some point while Simmons is undercover, the team goes underground, letting the plane "Bus" collect dust for several months, but less than half a year, which allows them to evade Talbot for an entire winter. But all of this time still amounts to less than a year because Fitz has grown isolated in the months that Simmons left. Edit 2: To be clear, while I think this all works, I'm leaning a bit too hard into how the language is used, which itself isn't even necessarily true, as I'm just interpreting how I myself would use those words. So... I guess I shouldn't say "people". And if you think I'm stretching the truth a bit to make things fit, that's fine. You don't have to agree Edit 3: Also, I don't know where that secret mountain base where we met the first Koenig was, but Talbot encountered the team at that same base in season 1. So if we placed the end of season 1 in winter, and season 2 was only a few months later, than his line about them evading him for an entire winter doesn't really make sense. Edit 4: This one is a minor correction, but Siberia is in the Northern Hemisphere, meaning they experience the seasons at the same time the US does. So March would be Spring. Which means S3E11 can't be in March. Unless it's an unusually long Winter, but... I'm not sure. Of course Siberia generally very cold, but I don't think they'd ever say they have year long winters.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback! Yeah, placing season 2 in the timeline is very difficult due to Talbot's comment about winter. Hopefully Marvel will put out an official timeline for the show at some point, as it would be nice to know what their stance is on it. Really appreciate you sharing all your ideas on the timeline!

[@coolerkerl8469]

So is only the ending of Agent Carter S1 in May?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good question! So I think season 1 started in April and run into early May.

[@coolerkerl8469]

@AbitofEverything4U what episode would you roughly say is the first one to be in May?

[@coolerkerl8469]

Nvm I checked the MCU Wiki, everything answered for now

[@AbitofEverything4U]

So, in episode five, they translate a coded message saying a deal will occur on April 27 and Thompson replies that’s less than two days from now. So episode five is at the end of April. Then episode six is shown to be on the first anniversary of V-E day, which places it around May 8 of 1946. So it seems there’s a 10 day gap in between episode five and six moving into May.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Too funny, I was just typing up the answer from the wiki... Yeah, the coded message is in April for ep 5 and the V-E day reference is in May for ep 6.

[@MarvelStationTH]

Hi im back to confirm i told you (some people who said this is not canon especially said Daredevil Netflix is not) Echo Hurt teaser brought me

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, you don't need to convince me...I've kept the position of "once canon, always canon, until Feige specifically says different". Granted, the timeline book sure makes it sounds like the shows aren't canon to the sacred timeline, since they weren't included in the book. But even so, I'm assuming they are canon until we see a discrepancy between the MCU and the shows. And it sure looks like Echo will perfectly dovetail into the Netflix stories. Can't wait for Echo to drop!

[@markdarc0448]

As much as I like the idea of endgame it’s time travel rules seem to be isolated to the quantum realm, time travel in Ms. Marvel is a closed loop as you said but both agents of shield and runaways (perhaps more I’m forgetting) use time travel in a more back to the future way. So as much as you don’t like that, and I kinda agree it seems to be the case that some time travel in the mcu is back to the future based.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, it's hard to argue against the fact that the "back to the future" style time travel was prominent prior to Endgame. And then Ms. Marvel even used the closed loop logic after Endgame. Throw in the X-Men/Deadpool movies, which will soon officially be part of the multiverse, and we have even more instances of that type of time travel. Granted, I do think there is a way to explain the X-verse movies time travel as branching, but it isn't a great fit. So, my hope is that whoever is writing Deadpool 3 finds a way to explain things. Perhaps if you use the quantum realm for time travel, it branches, but other forms of time travel don't branch. Or perhaps they will find a way to show that its always branched for all time travel. Will be very interesting to see how they address things in DP 3. Anyway, excellent feedback! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@markdarc0448]

@@AbitofEverything4U of course i hope something ends up explaining it. Maybe it will be deadpool 3 but i feel like the mcu timeline book could also better explain the time travel. Great video I’m always glad to watch your stuff!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@markdarc0448 Yes, good point...I am all for the timeline book resolving things as well. C'mon Marvel, give us the answers we want! 🤞🤞

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

​​@@AbitofEverything4U MCU Runaways doesn't follow the Endgame rules, which I like because it's the more simple time travel rules and I can't wait for you to talk about that. Plus, Cloak and Dagger too.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Yes, I'm going to tackle those two (and Hellstrom) next. Should be interesting indeed!

[@supersonicsonicgames]

Regarding the time travel of season 5, I believe that the monolith goes back in time, that is, it is still not like going back to the future, since what they did was literally push back the timeline to be able to save it from there, I'm still not so sure about this

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Fascinating theory...I do agree, the monolith is definitely not standard time travel. There is something really special about how it bends time. Thx for watching the vid and sharing your ideas!

[@ChrisLawton66]

Respectfully, it doesn't matter where you are in the northern hemisphere, March is not the "dead of winter". It's either the end of winter or it's spring.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I don't disagree. I'd rather that episode be set in Feb or Jan, but it seems to need to be in March due to some of the earlier episode placements. So we could perhaps assume that the person questioning Hunter was being overly dramatic and thus non-specific to the true end of winter. Or, I guess if that's the only issue with the timing, it's a small mistake on the part of the writers, so not a huge deal. Anyway, great feedback! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@mayo4660]

Well Fitz actually had more exposure to timetravel than the Hulk also it´s more in his branch of expertise anyway. So it´s not surprising that he can explain it better

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent point! Yeah, I thought his explanation was perfect!

[@MCLegoboy]

I am of the opinion that perhaps the branch off you speak of with keeping the Earth from being destroyed is where they really get lost in time, and they still may not actually be back by the Series' end. Seasons 5 and 6 were just kind of messy, and I like to think that in this parallel universe, Thanos is in fact invading, just like what we see in Infinity War, but he is defeated by the Avengers, so no snap (Or maybe he doesn't destroy the stones and when the Avengers come to his farm planet, they beat him up and fix everything with only a month long blip instead of five years. You can decide whatever version you want that best fits in your head, we know that some universes have Avengers that can defeat Thanos before accomplishing his goals, so it's not impossible.). Everything is just too happy at the end of the show in 2020 for it to be the same universe we see in Endgame, which is still hurting by 2023. Also SHIELD has been reestablished in the show's Finale, but it has never once come back in the movies or Disney+ shows, we're dealing with SWORD, which doesn't seem to be all too concerned about space but rather robots on Earth, and Damage Control, which also seems to be less about helping clean up messes and more just a SWAT team fighting heroes and villains and imprisoning whoever they can. What I'm proposing is that when everyone comes back to December 2017, they've definitely shifted over slightly, and Fitz doesn't realize that they have because of how similar things are, so when he proposes that all their Season 7 jumps have thrown them into wrong timelines, he himself is also incorrect, but can get them back to the offshoot timeline from December 2017, which is the correct one according to his calculations because he didn't know he shifted the first time. Or maybe he does actually get everyone back to the original timeline from Seasons 1-4 at the end of Season 7, but for me and my personal headcanon, the important thing is that Seasons 5-6 are definitely in a parallel timeline with Season 7 kind of confirming that. Now it's more a matter of whether or not Daisy returns, and in what manner to confirm whether or not that Agents of SHIELD is canon again and that they did make it back to the correct timeline. For it to convince me, I think I'm going to need Daisy to have Susa by her side and they meet Fury in space, I will accept nothing less without some very well worded explanation otherwise. And I'm only partially joking about this because I would love to see Agents of SHIELD folk return some day, but I don't just want same actors, I want same characters. They need to do the same with the Netflix shows. Not just main cast members, I want all the supporting casts, too. All or nothing, make it definitive. Recasts happen, but only when someone really doesn't want to return or they physically can't because they're dead, but I bet 99% of these casts are always down to clown and jump back into Marvel now that they've all had a few years off to do other things.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback! I think you have proposed some very viable ways to make S5-S7 work. I suspect there will be eternal debate on how that time travel worked. I do think Marvel will bring forward some of the most popular characters from AoS, perhaps as early as Daisy appearing in Secret Invasion. I guess we'll have to wait and see if Marvel gives us any type of explanation for how much of the AoS series is still considered canon at that point. You are correct that they really should make it crystal clear how things tie into the show, but I kinda fear that they won't. Either way, I wanted this video to be a guide to how to watch the shows in relation to the MCU movies and then each individual person can decide which parts of the show they feel are still canon. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@lordofninjas1]

I'll go along with the avoiding spoilers thing, so without going into much I'll say that I disagree with how you are doing the timeline branches. I agree that branches are created, however I disagree with your placement of where the branches are. I agree that the end of Season 5 causes a branch, but I feel it's the 2091 portion that is part of the branch and not the 2019 portion because of the Deke situation at that point and because of timeline stuff said in Season 7, as well as probably some other stuff I'm forgetting right now. I also agree that there is a branch in Season 7, but I don't agree that it's the entire season that's the branch, rather, again without going into too much, I think the branch occurs at one of two points, either the explosion Coulson causes or during the end of the episode they are leapfrogging through time, again for reasons that are said and seen in Season 7. Besides all that though, IIRC the ending of Season 5 is in Chicago, and I believe we learn Riri is from Chicago in Wakanda Forever (or maybe it was Detroit), so I'm wondering if we get some kind of mention of the events of the Season 5 ending in the Ironheart show. Based on timeline stuff Riri would be about 10 or 11 during the time of the Season 5 ending cause I believe we learn she's 19 in Wakanda Forever. I also agree that we'll hopefully see Daisy in Secret Invasion, and maybe some others in more Sword connected projects. I'm also curious if the "Cap is on the Moon" rumor in the MCU is true if he's hiding out in Attilan.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback. Yeah, Season 5's ending will be a point of eternal debate, I suspect, as the show just wasn't clear on how the time travel rules worked. It really comes down to whether you can go to the future, get knowledge, come back to your present and use that knowledge to then change your future. It's a different type of time travel from Endgame and so the rules could in fact be different. But the reason I don't think the branch can occur in 2091 is because we see Fitz directly connecting his present in 2017 (with the world eventually being destroyed) to 2091 due to his going into cryostases. There would be no reason to put him to sleep in Nov/Dec of 2017 if 2091 wasn't the original fate of the world at that point. So it just seems the branch has to be when they return to the present with their new knowledge. As for S7, I guess I just feel that Hulk was really adamant that if you goto the past it becomes your new future. He didn't say it happens only if we make changes or only if the changes are relevant to changing the future. He said the past becomes your new future. From a quantum physics standpoint, that makes sense to me and thus Deke's "splash around abit" comment is cute, but doesn't work as a scientific explanation of what Hulk was saying. Just my opinion on Endgame rules, but that's what it seems Hulk was saying. I admit that I'm kinda hoping that Deadpool 3 casts some light on time travel rules, as DP 2 (as well as DoFP) had some very funky time travel that seemingly broke the Endgame rules. So the DP 3 movie is a great time for Marvel to try to tie everything together once and for all. Hoping they really knock it out of the park and provide some overarching narrative to how time travel works across all the different shows and movies in the greater MCU. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@lordofninjas1]

@@AbitofEverything4U that's understandable. I remember Season 5 is described as a time loop that they've been through I think it's like 50 some times or something like that trying to fix it, many times learning something more. Like I'm imagining they are travelling down the sacred timeline then they are diverted to another path for a bit until they destroy that path and then they continue along the sacred timeline. I would say that's why the TVA didn't come after them in the show, aside from not having been introduced at that point, it's because they did the TVA's job for them and fix an error along the sacred timeline. I also think it would be weird to have 2018 be the branch yet have Deke freaking out about being erased from existence because where he's from isn't around anymore. Yeah, I understand Hulk's line a bit differently. I don't take it as him saying a branch is created, I take it as him just describing time travel in general. Basically, taking the definition of past as "something that has already happened", present as "something that is currently happening", and future as "something that will eventually happen" I take it as Hulk saying when you go from what's currently happening to what already happened, the point at which you came from already happened for you and the point at which you went to is what's currently happening for you. Think of it like a zipper on a jacket, you have it zipped all the way up but then you move it a couple inches, that's basically what he's saying, the zipper was in one spot but then it moved from that spot and is now currently in another spot that it was formerly at at one point. He seems to be framing it more from a personal timeline aspect rather than a universal timeline aspect, in other words I think he's speaking from the point of view of an individual when they time travel rather than the point of view of the universe, if that makes any sense, then you can apply Deke's "ripples not waves" thing after that, like Hulk is saying how you get from point a to point b, then Deke is describing what to do when you get to point b. "Ripples not waves" also works with the discussion Hulk has with the Ancient One, a massive change, like removing an Infinity Stone, would cause issues, but them just being there and not really doing much of anything doesn't seem to do anything. I agree, Deadpool 3 may have some information on time travel, and yeah, the X-Men movie timeline is all kinds of wonky. Thank you for spending your time responding despite my walls of text and incessant talking and such, especially responding in a kind manner. You are also appreciated.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@lordofninjas1 Thanks for elaborating on how you interpreted Hulk's line. The reason I think he can't be discussing going back in time as living out things that have already happened is that we see so much mass chaos occurring during the time heist. Captain America tells Sitwell "Hail, Hydra" meaning in that timeline they think Cap is Hydra. 2023 Cap fights and defeats 2012 Cap, which means 2012 Cap would know about time travel. Star Lord is knocked out cold by War Machine, meaning that in that timeline in 2014 he might not have even reached the power stone in time as GotG Vol 1 shows that things moved very quickly. Heck, even the car that Hulk smashes at the very beginning of his time in 2012 could have ramifications. So I just don't see how any of things that occurred in the Time Heist could have been part of the 616 timeline. And that's why I think Hulk was describing going into the past as creating a branch. It perfectly solves all of that and means that the insanity of the time heist happened in a branched timeline. But just my take on all of it. I do hope Marvel gives us a more clear understanding of time travel at some point. Great conversation. Even if we don't agree, it's fun to learn what fellow MCU fans are thinking!

[@lordofninjas1]

@@AbitofEverything4U that's why they have the ending of Cap going back and returning the Stones, so that those paradoxes and such you mention either no longer exist or are prevented from existing. Also, 2012 Cap believes that 2023 Cap is Loki in disguise, and the two Nebulas knowing about each other didn't really seem to cause any issues. I believe at that point they are even asking Hulk how time travel works they are mentioning many different time travel movies, and he essentially tells them "no, time travel doesn't work like how we see in the movies".

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@lordofninjas1 But I guess that's my point. If they weren't in a branch, then those changes would have taken immediate effect on their future. So Cap wouldn't have been able to go back and later correct the "Hail, Hydra" statement by returning the stones as that event would have always happened in their past and thus changed the future when they returned to 2023 with the stones. It's okay if we disagree. For me, I just don't see any way to make the time heist work unless it is all in a branch. But that's just me.

[@cedrickterrick]

If AoS is canon, the earth has been destroyed by the fresh born celestial in S5. Somehow Enternals didn't happen, Endgame didn't happen. It can make sense I just can't figure it out right now. But it's really some great stuff for a What If episode. Maybe you can extend my theory/thoughts?

[@Cris00900340]

Earth was destroyed in 2018, and Eternals wouldnt have happened until 2023, so its fine. Theres no reason to believe the Earth was destroyed by Tiamut. S5 tells you why Earth was destroyed

[@cedrickterrick]

@@Cris00900340 The snap delayed the birth and the blip sped up the process of the birth. And maybe the reason mentioned in AoS, I know what you mean, just let the celestial get born quicker?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting. I do wonder if the earth being destroyed in Agents of SHIELD would therefore have killed Tiamet. What a fascinating thought!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@Cris00900340 Good point...so perhaps Tiamet was killed when earth was destroyed? That's a wild thought!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@cedrickterrick Anything is possible. To be honest, I'd love a what if showing us what happened when Daisy/Gravitron destroyed the earth. Would be wild to watch it all play out.

[@Malarc695]

If we consider Eternals saying that Tiamut has always been in the Earth if you think about it Graviton killed Tiamut it's a funny kind of piecing together that wasnt meant to be true at the time but retroactively kinda is.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! Yeah, it does seem Graviton ended up killing Tiamut.

[@bluebellsforever]

Wait, why did agents of shield season 2 move back in the timeline to 2014 in the Google doc ?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That was due to where Marvel placed winter soldier. I talk about that more in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2PNo4uBgNuZY9Esi=alxd6tiVzX15XIY4

[@bluebellsforever]

​@@AbitofEverything4Uno, they didn't branch right before infinity war. The destroyed earth WAS the branch !

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's definitely a possible solution.

[@bluebellsforever]

​@@AbitofEverything4Uso I've reached agents of shield season 2. The inhumans are starting to appear so that's 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Idk if I should watch that show or not.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

The Inhumans show is pretty mid, but still worth a watch if you have the time.

[@OpinionParade]

I wish I'd seen this a year ago, haha. Coulda been helpful. *My side-project:* I've been arranging ALL super hero [video] media into a series of resetting "timelines". -with select action, scifi, fantasy, etc. to fill-in the gaps, narratively and thematically. Plus tie-in video game cinematics/promos where appropriate. It's not perfect, but it creates a very compelling viewing order. Plus with this new MCU stuff about Kang/TVA and the resetting timelines, all looped together (The Sacred Timeline).... the format of this watch-order itself ends up being part of the overall narrative. It's in a rough state, but I've got the project on a sheets doc. I could share, if anyone is interested.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very cool! I love putting together timelines and viewing orders. Everyone's is slightly different and that makes it fun. And that's very cool that you have tied in the video games and promos. I suspect it is quite impressive indeed!

[@OpinionParade]

@@AbitofEverything4U It's a component of a much larger project, so it's (currently) a bit ill-defined in many places; some parts are just general groupings while we do more research. The basic format should work, though. We have been labeling the timelines as "Books", and then within each book, the media is arranged into "Chapters" (mostly in-world chronology); this helps create a larger implied continuity for the benefit of the viewer(s).

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Sounds like a very impressive project!

[@gabrielissa3047]

Love all you do but I just wanted to say that in s4 episode 15 of AoS Jemmas gravestone says she died in November 8 2017. Just wanted to add that

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback! So, I could be wrong, but I thought we couldn't see the year during the actual episode, as it was covered with leaves. However, the Agents of SHIELD Season Four Declassified (an artbook) shows that gravestone without any leaves covering the year and it indicates she died on November 8, 2016. But either way, we can ignore that date for timeline placement, since it is a date in the framework and not in the main timeline. Let me know your thoughts on that. And thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Truly appreciate it!

[@gabrielissa3047]

@@AbitofEverything4U great thank you for the clarification

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@gabrielissa3047 Sure thing...it was an excellent question!

[@mandalorianjedi232]

What I think happens for s5 is that when they go back to the present they don’t create a branch because they were already on a branch in 2091 the only difference between the 2 was Glenn Talbot using daisy and absorbing her powers to kill the earth but that doesn’t happen in the main MCU that’s cause they traveled to a branch where that did happen some people might still be confused on the time travel earth 17516 was a naturally occurring branch like what if was

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That’s a very good solution. Definitely was a confusing season, but I also really enjoyed it!

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

IMO, At the start of Season 5, AOS and the MCU diverged Robin's future predictions and Enoch's interference caused a divergence that unintentionally led to the earth being destroyed, Then the agents came back and created another branch timeline where the Avengers somehow prevented the Snap Then, at the end of S7, They re enter the main MCU with so many timeline branch hops

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I like that theory. It really feels like S5 is where things diverged. Nice call!

[@dumbguy1007]

I choose to believe that a year after the snap, things have begun to return to normal in places, but people are too sensitive to really talk about what happened. Perhaps some of the benefits of the lower population have started to kick in, as talked about in Falcon and the Winter soldier, so people aren't quite as devastated. The shield team has had a burst of recruits in season 6 so there could be more people wanting to be more prepared in case it happens again. Would have loved for Aos to have gotten a chance to get into the world of the snap but I understand why.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the time during the blip is an area that I wish Marvel would dig into. I hear it might be part of Secret Invasion via flashbacks, so that would be great. The reason I think the world was likely a hot mess during the blip is covered in detail in a video I did recently on that topic: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jITNinugn7xrrNE. Feel free to check it out if you're interested. But as for Agents of SHIELD writers, I think they did the best they could with the situation thrown at them and that S6 is believable as happening during the blip. Would have been cool if they told us more about life during that time, but I suspect they did as much as they were allowed to do. Anyway, great feedback! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@theswan1852]

I've been having fun with the recent inclusion of the netflix shows into the sacred timeline. Wouln't it be fun if they decided to canonize, at least some of AoS. I am so glad that we've moved past 22 episode, meandering, tv seasons in favour of much shorter, concentrated seasons. Given that, wouldn't it be fun if they edited the AoS "pods" into movies, perhaps fixing or discluding the inconsistencies between tv and film. The series is easily segmented into 3 storylines a year from 1-5. 6&7 are self contained.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a cool suggestion for AoS...I agree it would be awesome if it was brought back into canon and that's a clever way to do it!

[@zurialves3749]

Your work is impressive, but how does Agents of Shield take place in 2013 after Iron Man 3, with Iron Man 3 taking place in December 2013? That is, at the very end.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent question! So, I address that in this vid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfOnpZsgsuMbK8. Feel free to check it out and let me know what you think. I am now convinced that IM 3 happening in Dec, 2013 is actually better for AoS Season 1, tbh.

[@asteroid11]

Interesting how AoS places Iron Man 3 before Dark World, but Disney+ has them flipped. I know theres reasonings behind it and Disney+ isn't clear about whether they value the beginning or end of a movie as timeline placement, but still interesting to see the discrepancies when you factor in all potential canon. Personally I prefer Iron Man 3 before Dark World.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yes, I would definitely say that Agents of SHIELD fans are the most upset by D+'s placement of those two movies. I fully understand what D+ is going for with their placement of T:TDW and you could argue that it does make sense to watch TDW right after Avengers, but it messes up the overall flow of AoS, so ultimately, I think it's better to flip IM 3 and T:TDW on D+. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@mahnameisj]

My headcanon for that timey wimey confusing season 5 stuff is that starting from Season 1 they were in a branch. The films basically treat Coulson as still dead and the helicarrier can be just some random Shield agents that Fury appointed to make. Which all leads to the future where the planet went boom. And when they travelled back in time, they landed in the main MCU timeline I guess

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback! I have sometimes wondered if that's the way it will all be explained. I do think Marvel will bring forward some of the most popular characters from AoS, perhaps as early as Daisy appearing in Secret Invasion. I guess we'll have to wait and see if Marvel gives us any type of explanation for how much of the AoS series is still considered canon. Either way, I wanted this video to be a guide to how to watch the shows in relation to the MCU movies and then each individual person can decide which parts of the show they feel are still canon. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@jonahnichols1]

Ok so the timeline with shield is just a mess once they bring in time travel because in the real world ABC was not getting the information about what all was happening in the movies so that spoilers were not leaked, but the time travel allowed the show to have more fun with it without having to be as connected anymore, like season 7 was so much. I just feel like even though I want Agents of Shield to be fully cannon, there are just a lot of things that make it not cannon with inhumans and season 6 time jump, but in the series finale they explained how they can get to the main MCU, unless they want to retcon some of the things from the show and make only some things cannon, but I think that retconning things from this show would be so stupid because it is literally the first and best Marvel MCU show even if it isn't cannon. I just love Agents of Shield, I did not watch it when it was coming out but due to quarantine happening, I have seen both Agent Carter and Agents of shield three times, I could probably write the equivalent of a college thesis or more just about how much I love agents of shield, and most of that would probably just be about how Simmons in the best character other that Coulson and Daisy, in my opinion.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback! Yes, I am really bummed for Agents of SHIELD in that I think they could have fit their storylines around the Infinity War and Endgame time jump if the writers had been informed about it. It's a total bummer. So I do fear that at least the last few seasons won't end up staying canon in the end. But I also agree with you that it's some of the best storytelling in the MCU, so I'd rather they leave it as is and say it happened in the multiverse, than try to change it around to keep in canon. And I agree that my favorites were Daisy, Mack and Coulson. I do hope we get to see Daisy again and maybe they bring back Mack and Sousa and some of the others, too. Fantastic show! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@robyn90703]

What in the space that the blue tall aliens came from for them to start their revolution of destruction? I'm probably guessing deep space of Guardians of the Galaxy timelines that wasn't mentioned or brought up at all. Or these events of AoS occurred during the times the Guardians left their prision or whatever it was called for some important event. Before I forgot to mention the brainwash whispering. Interesting take on that. This is where there's an Easter Egg callback to the way Bucky got triggered with just a few words in Russian to activate the Winter Soldier. Lastly, with the Hales in season 6, they're bringing forward the super soldier arc hence the show The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and of cause the Secret Invasion. You forgot to mention that plot. Agents of Shield is tied to the larger and ever expanding MCU. Like how the agents or Coulson are piecing the pieces of Hydra with that symbol that leads to the Hive. Or the planet that Simmons got time travel stranded , was that planet also in the Loki show with Sylvie and Loki was on? Can we explore all that?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Those are some very good connections to the larger MCU. I agree, I'd love to have seen more of the plot lines from Agents of SHIELD being explored in depth. It was such a great show and gave us so many incredible stories, including the origins of Hydra and that planet Simmons got stranded on (one of my all time favorite episodes, btw). Maybe one day Marvel will look at some of the concepts from AoS and expand on them even further!

[@CalebHolshouser]

What about Ghost Rider ( Robbie Reyes’ ) flashbacks Agents of Shield S4E6? What year do you think he became Ghost Rider looking at the Flashbacks obviously. I’d love to hear your thoughts if you figure it out let me know

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a tough one...they don't give us any solid clues. But I suspect it isn't long before his first appearance in Agents of SHIELD. If I get a definitive answer, I'll let you know.

[@CalebHolshouser]

@@AbitofEverything4U Well in the episode it says “ back in the day” problem is I can’t figure out how back it goes.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Exactly! It doesn't give us much to go off of.

[@CFunk99]

My theory: Agents of Shield places Winter Soilder in January because the movie is litterally called The _Winter_ Soilder. *Buh dum BANG!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best. I love it! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@jackwalker4957]

7:15 nice

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Gotta love the zoom and enhance!

[@kiskenci]

Agent's of Shield S1Ep22 happens in march, 2014 (becouse of the retcon from January, 2014). So S5Ep14-22 happens in march, 2018 becouse of the "four years ago" title, not in may. Btw my head hurts, so maybe I'm not right 😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! So, I made this vid before that change, but I agree with your analysis and you might enjoy this short vid that discusses exactly what you mentioned: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2PNo4uBgNuZY9E.

[@kiskenci]

​@@AbitofEverything4U Oh, I watched a lot of your videos, and love them btw. 😃 I watched again what you sent to be sure and I undersrand the change from January to March. And still in this video you say S5 Ep16 happenes 4 years after S1 Ep22 witch is in March, so S5 Ep16 shouldn't be in May. Not even if S1 ends in january. My head stopped hurting so I might be right 😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, that's so cool that you watched the other vid already. Really appreciate all your support of the channel! As for the 4 years line, I've often seen that characters round up or down to an even number of years, even if the months don't perfectly align. Even irl, I do that without thinking. So I wonder if that solves the March vs. May issue?

[@kiskenci]

@@AbitofEverything4U Well yes that is true! I just wanted to clarify and hear your thoughts on it. But yeah, okay I can live with it. 😃 I know that it's hard to place this series either way. Anyway, thank you for your work and time! Keep it up! 😁

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I do wish things were exactly 4 years if they say that. But it seems there are many times where characters say things like that and are in fact just rounding. We need to make that illegal, dern it!

[@spider-dude2476]

In Agents of Shield a big part of it is not letting the Avengers learn Phil is alive. Phil and his team erase the data of him being alive off of S.H.I.E.L.D/HYDRA before Black Widow leeks it all on to the Internet & They ask Sif not to tell Thor Phil's alive.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...I think they could definitely explain any continuity issues that AoS has with the sacred timeline without much issue. Granted the show drifted further and further away as the seasons went on, but they did try very hard to keep it all fitting into the main MCU timeline, so I suspect Feige has to be giving it some consideration.

[@spider-dude2476]

@@AbitofEverything4U Nick Fury also just lies & keeps secrets from everyone he knows. Such as lieing about Thor being the first alien he's met. Kept the Skrulls a secret for over 30ish years. So him not really telling were/how he got the helicarrier from in Age of Ultron is pretty much in character for him.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point!

[@conman_yt7999]

44:02 there's the tick joe from family guy and other STUFF

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep, that is indeed the Tick. Love Patrick Warburton. Such a great character actor!

[@conman_yt7999]

@@AbitofEverything4U yeah i forgot to add lemony snicket though

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh yeah! true!

[@conman_yt7999]

@@AbitofEverything4U and kronk

[@conman_yt7999]

@@AbitofEverything4U Patrick Warburton looks like the punisher if he went to church every sunday

[@ArynWellspring]

So I am still watching, maybe you address this, because the canon MCU timeline has Thor: The Dark World taking place like a whole year before IM3, so if this show was canon it breaks the timeline

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question… So I made that video prior to the timeline book telling us Iron Man 3 was going to be placed in December 2013. But I actually think that works out OK and might even solve an issue that’s always bugged me with the first season of agents of Shield. Check out this short video which explains how I now think Iron Man three fits in with the first season of agents of shield: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfOnpZsgsuMbK8

[@TheKonradhehe]

They didn't branch. It was exactly the same thing that happened in Endgame, just from the other side. Let's call 2091 year timeline #1 and the MCU timeline #2. In Endgame Avengers borrowed infinity stones from other timelines and gave them back. In AoS Enoch from 2091 is "Avengers" and agents of shield in MCU timeline are "infinity stones". Enoch "borrowed" them (actually Enoch from MCu timeline sent them to the future but rule is the same), agents did what they needed to do and were sent back to the original MCU. So it's still OG MCU. About season 6: it's been a year since Thanos, world had to move on, especially a government agency. Why no lead character disappeard? The same reason no OG avenger disappeared. Just luck. I'm not saying marvel tv knew about what happens in IW and Endgame, I'm just saying that it fits. Still OG MCU. In season 7 they created branches but at the end thay came back to original MCU timeline. It's pretty simple when you think about it. Just some fans overthink about it and create unnecessary and actually harmful theories about alternate timelines and variants.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great explanations! Thanks for sharing all of that. The one concern I have with your theory is that if 2091 wasn't the future for the present day MCU, then I don't understand why they needed to do anything at all. It seems 2091 was the future for the Agents, as we see Fitz go from the present day straight to 2091 (after being unfrozen, ofc) and so it seems that the future destruction in 2091 was their future unless they went back and prevented it. But I do really like your theories. I agree with you that the simplest solution is always the best. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your ideas. I really appreciate it!

[@TheKonradhehe]

I believe that number of timelines is infinite. 2091 timeline is just very similar to 616, maybe it's 617 or something like that. In 2091 timeline Fitz was frozen and got to the future. However 616 is almost identical, agents saw what might happen (there were actually 2 resons they were sent to the future 1 to see what happens if they don't defeat graviton 2 to make sure Flint survives and learns how to rebuild Earth), defeated graviton and found THEIR Fitz in space. Fitz in 2091 is Fitz from earth "617" and they just bring him to 616.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@TheKonradhehe Yeah, I do like your suggestion as a possible solution. In fact, I like it alot better than branching. I just wonder what the writers intended. It sure seems to me that the simplest answer is that the writers were unaware of the branching logic in Endgame and felt that you could re-write time (just like in the X-men movies and in the final season of Runaways) and so the 2091 future was the future that would have happened if Daisy hadn't gone back and changed the course of history. I guess the real key is that I feel that S5 was alot of fun and very enjoyable, but I just wish they had been more clear on the time travel rules. They left alot open to interpretation and that's why it's still debated all these years later. Anyway, really appreciate all your great feedback. Thanks so much for taking the time to share your theories!

[@iAmNemoYT]

I jus wanna say , Marvel puts Iron man 3 after Thor TDW because the Mandarin Attacks all happen throughout the year, Thor The Dark World happens sometime in between then the Main Events of Iron Man 3 Happen near Christmas, then later on in early 2014, we see Tony telling the story of events to Bruce, who isn't listening, so there for, the first episodes of agents of Shield season 1 could still be watched without having watched iron man 3 first, atleast up until the Thor Tie In, Then Iron Man 3 basically takes care of the Extremis Problem, but there are still people who experimented with it, which Shield takes care of, there we go, fixed timeline, everything fits together

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That’s an excellent summary! Yeah, I made this video before the timeline book came out, so I wasn’t aware of the Iron Man 3 placement in 2013. so I then made this short video that updates how that 2013 placement impacts agents of Shield: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfOnpZsgsuMbK8si=YQJ6zCX0lvE7NjeB. But yeah, you and I are definitely on the same page. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it. Really appreciate it!

[@mandalorianjedi232]

So if ep 12 takes place in 2013 and ep 15 16 and 17 take place in 2014 the iron man 3 must be between or after episodes 13 and 14 a really short timeframe

[@iAmNemoYT]

@@mandalorianjedi232 Episode 13 & 14 end after the Main Events of Iron Man 3, but there's still the Ending, Episode 15 happens in 2014, Iron Man 3 Ending Happens with Tony and Bruce, then Episode 16 happens, Shortly after, Captain America Winter Soldier happens, and then Episode 17-22 happens

[@iAmNemoYT]

@@mandalorianjedi232 so yes, you are right Iron Man 3 happens in between, but that's only one scene, just like the Opening,

[@mandalorianjedi232]

@@iAmNemoYT right ok that makes sense so iron man 3 before eps 13&14

[@Canucklover97]

forgot to say the guy who played puddy was joe from family guy

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point. Love that dude!

[@ShaneFussell]

Man, you’re just fucking awesome.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Had alot of fun with this video. Glad you liked it!

[@juliehindmarch5311]

Other than The Defenders Saga, I think that Agent Carter is a 99% canon imo

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...it's really odd that they haven't placed it in the sacred timeline on D+ yet. Hope they do it soon!

[@juliehindmarch5311]

Then they should do a revived show following up S2 since that cliffhanger@@AbitofEverything4U

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? We really need a resolution to that cliffhanger!

[@juliehindmarch5311]

SPOILERS: how can they kill Jack Thompson and end the show there with no resolution@@AbitofEverything4U

[@juliehindmarch5311]

If we ever get a revived show then they should have Dottie kill him

[@ontos8914]

“I do think several of the characters might appear in the present day MCU” well so far just the Pink Devil

[@conman_yt7999]

15:30 dat Patton Oswalt?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

It is indeed. Patton had a very enjoyable run on Agents of SHIELD. His character(s) popped up several times over the seven seasons.

[@conman_yt7999]

@@AbitofEverything4U cool i'm taking you on chase of goose but insomniac rhino HATES CHASE OF GOOSE

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That was a hilarious video!

[@serpentlord1312]

Alright two things one you simplifying the timeline (as best as you can) really helps me in figuring out when to watch a lot of these shows and two (joke) early leak of Avengers Secret Wars seriously didn’t except him to return kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5aclXZse8poqac

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great! Glad this helps you with a watch order...and that video was hilarious!

[@serpentlord1312]

@@AbitofEverything4U these exact lines makes me really wanna see them interact with each other (maybe in a What If episode idk) kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIu5gmBugMyZjpo

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@serpentlord1312 Hah...very clever! I love it!