When to watch the Sony and Fox movies within the greater MCU

[@AbitofEverything4U]

For anyone that is interested, there is now a Discord server for folks that want to chat on the MCU: discord.gg/r7Y3FyNBk4. There are over 200 members so far. Love to have you join the conversation!

[@geesixnine]

Yooooo! What about the Fantastic Four movies!?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@geesixnine Yeah, I left those FF movies off the list for now, as we don’t know if they tie into Secret Wars or not. But I do agree they could be with watching simply due to Reed’s appearance in Multiverse of Madness. But by that theory, you need to watch the Inhumans show due to black bolt, and I would not wish that on my worst enemy! 😅

[@Speculationer7784]

@@AbitofEverything4U when do you think the Howard the Duck film fits in to the viewing order

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@Speculationer7784 That's a question we'll have to wait on abit. I'm not sure if they will tie the Howard the Duck movie into the main MCU or not. I guess it depends on whether the Collector captures the same Howard from that early movie. I need to watch that movie myself. I've never actually seen it.

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

@@AbitofEverything4U When it comes to Tobey I would say 2027. Time could move differently in between earths.

[@MarkyMarc413]

Fun fact - there was an effort to try and put the TASM Oscorp tower into the Avengers NYC skyline but the rendering of the CGI had completed before all the red tape could be sorted between Sony and Marvel Studios. It definitely would've tried to make AG's Spider-Man canon, which would've been really wild.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow, I wasn't aware of that. That would have been wild! We so need Oscorp in the MCU. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing that little fun fact. Really appreciate it!

[@gabrieldias6546]

@@AbitofEverything4U imagine if Norman Osborn and Oscorp appear in the new Tom Holland's Spider Man movie, after all the bad things that Green Goblin (Willem Dafoe) has done in NWH. Finding a actor to replace Dafoe in this role won't be easy...

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@gabrieldias6546 Yes, it will be very hard indeed to replace Willem Dafoe. Dude was perfect as Green Goblin!

[@JamesLawner]

I heard it was the opposite, they tried to put Avengers Tower in TASM.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@JamesLawner Actually, that makes alot more sense.

[@Pigpen_YT]

Mad props to your thoughts on Deadpool and She-Hulk. Couldn't agree more about the double standard. Great video as always. In regards to the Jean Grey being alive. I think it's safe to assume she just came back to life somehow in an adventure off screen. I'm pretty sure that was the plan if they kept making X-Men films. Yes that does mean any of those plans are non canon but honestly it's the only way it makes sense. Who knows, maybe she'll show up in Secret Wars and mention that she died and came back.

[@TCHENDRIXX]

ahh my favorite youtuber cool to see you here

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I think the idea Jean Grey came back from the dead makes alot of sense. Such a bummer we didn't get any more X-films, as I suspect you are right that they would have addressed that. Really appreciate you watching and commenting. You are a rockstar. Keep up the great work on your channel!

[@NuggetGX]

Theres a reason why when she hulk does it, it doesn’t work, and its a very simple answer. When deadpool does it, he is self aware to the point where if a joke is messing with the cannon, he will call it out. Like the “well thats just lazy writing joke”. It comes off as funny and it flows well thematically with the character and the tone of the movie, rather than just skipping your entire climax right when we were ab to see hulk fight for the first time since thor ragnarok 😭, calling your own shit writing shit, and then reversing it for a shit unfunny joke with no payoff. (Essentially what I’m saying is deadpools jokes don’t compromise the story, and when writing is purposely bad and lazy for a joke, it leads to an emotional story driven pay off rather than just calling your writing shit, and then skipping over the entire climax of the story).

[@NuggetGX]

Like, imagine a version of deadpool 2 where right when dp makes the lazy writing joke, they skip out the entire final fight scene of the movie and cut to the emotional pay off scene with dp and vanessa. The payoff didn’t work because the writer didn’t build up to it. And everyone giving she hulk a pass due to some non existent “double standard” just don’t understand storytelling and meta writing.

[@captainjakemerica4579]

The She-Hulk critics are as bad as the Brie Larson Witch Hunters

[@john_comi]

A bit off topic but - did you see the new update to the Statue of Liberty in Mrs. Marvel? They made it a different shade to match with the construction in NWH that was also mentioned in Hawkeye. I think it's so cool that Disney Plus can go back and make small changes to retroactively add to the cannon and fix potential timeline issues! I'm hoping they can do this for a few other things in the future, mainly a lot of the background dates in early phase 1

[@kkplaysgd]

He saw and commented it in his discord server, I recommend you to join it if you like to discuss those things

[@john_comi]

@@kkplaysgd oh cool! I don't use discord much, but I'll be sure to join!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love that they fixed up that issue in Ms. Marvel. That is so awesome on Marvel's part. And they did the same thing with the opening scene of Hawkeye Ep 1 where the wrong letters were shown on the Avengers Tower after Loki's attack. Now they need to fix the "8 years later" deal in Homecoming. That would make me soooooo happy!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@kkplaysgd Thanks for being on the discord with us!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@john_comi Great, will be awesome to have you join!

[@IbrahimAli-jl8fu]

That thing with the computerized changing bear was the funniest and leapiest explanation for Fox's nonsense I've ever heard! Lol that opens up so many stupid questions and I love it. Great to see you unpack this lovable mess of a franchise. Excelsior, my friend.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Yeah, that bear theory might be one of the looniest things I've ever put in a vid...I may need to go back and time and edit that craziness. Too funny! Thx so much for watching and sharing your feedback. You gave me a really good laugh!

[@salarpie3129]

"Thanks for meeting me,Joof. I’ve been reading about you. I don’t know how I got to this video but I think it has something to do with Spider-Man."

[@AbitofEverything4U]

The video does indeed deal with spider-man, so you have come to the right place! Hope you enjoyed it!

[@EpicMickeyFanOfficial]

i usually watch ur channel on my tv and havent rly commented until now but i want to let u know i love ur channel the style of like a powerpoint is rly nice i like the simplicity and i like how u make the videos its a very comfortable channel to watch it was my comfort tv when i was sick

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow, thanks so much for sharing that. I'm happy I could provide some comfort when you were sick. I do indeed try to make the videos fun and relaxing...basically like we were just sitting around and chatting about the MCU. So it's great to hear they come off that way. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@EpicMickeyFanOfficial]

@@AbitofEverything4U no problem bro👍 love ur content

[@JuriSins]

Do you think The Avengers or any variants of the heroes exist in the Raimiverse/Sonyverse/F4verse/Xmenverse? I always think about that. Iron Man was supposedly meant to appear in Spider Man 3 and it makes me wonder how that version would've been like if we got him. I hope we get to see something like this soon, maybe in Secret Wars or something? So much potential for Variants popping up!

[@CFunk99]

"The Avengers? That's great! What is that?"

[@TheTurdle]

Raimi JJJ mentions Doctor Strange so maybe.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I've always wondered about whether other heroes might exist in the Fox / Sony universes. Dr. Strange was mentioned in the Spider-man movies, but other than that, not much has been said. But I agree that Secret Wars is indeed the best place for us to finally see some massive crossovers. Really looking forward that movie! Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@jonathonantonio1973]

I headcanon that the original FF, daredevil and Toby trilogy all take place in the same universe. Apparently the thing was meant to be in deadpool 2, so I also headcanon the new FF exist in the xmen universe.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@jonathonantonio1973 Yeah, it would be really cool if they decide to fold some of the other universes together. I love that idea!

[@battledroid77]

I’ve been binging a lot of your videos and I just gotta say I love them all. I love your analysis, the way you make your videos (especially your timeline videos) and just your love for the MCU is so reinvigorating after all the negativity for the MCU in the last couple of years. (Even though I think it isn’t deserved) Thank you for making these videos! Also: what is your opinion on the Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 and Ant Man and the Wasp Quantumania trailers? P.S Congrats on 6K!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the kind words and feedback...and from a battle droid no less! Yeah, I like to focus on the positives as the MCU has so much great content. It's not perfect, and I do take an occasional dunk on things like that poor Morbius end credit, but overall, I like to focus on all things the MCU is doing right. And I am really excited about GotG Vol 3 and Ant Man. Both trailers look amazing. Phase 5 is kicking off with a bang starting next month!

[@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy]

13:42 I like to think that Wolverine getting the adamantium is an absolute point, like Christine dying over and over again in that one What If episode.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiiiiiiice! I like the Wolverine absolute point theory. That works for me!

[@Andres_123]

I’m loving how in depth you go in on all your videos. Keep up the great work man 👍

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@linkthenewheroofhyrule7491]

You should do a video recapping everything that’s canon to the marvel cinematic multiverse so far (like the raimi films, fox films, maybe animated properties as well)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great idea. It's hard to figure out the entire list of what's canon right now, since so many things keep popping up as canon left and right, but I've added it to my list and will do that soon. Love the suggestion! I Thanks for watching the vid and leaving your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@HarnaiDigital]

OMG this is a really good video. Thanks for sharing Michael Waldron's Official Speech.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I thought his speech was so helpful. That dude really thinks things out!

[@JamesLawner]

I think the best solution would be to watch the Spider-Verse and XCU movies in releases order. One thing you forgot to mention is that Deadpool 2 spoils the ending for Logan right in the beginning of the movie.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very good point! Yeah, based on that spoiler, perhaps watching Logan before DP2 makes sense. Boy, the X-verse is one complicated mess. Sigh. Anyway, really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Thanks so much!

[@josinfleurs]

16:26 - Thanks for this! I loved She-Hulk without any fear

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Viva la She-Hulk!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

For sure the critics are just mad they show called them out what I like to call the fake MCU fans Intelligencia

[@1teekay]

Great video, and very helpful! Imbedding the Spidey Movies in the timeline order I totally agree with. However, I would argue that watching Loki first in Phase 4 before WandaVision is the best route. Then, watch all of the Fox X-Men movies right after Loki. Why? Because we get different subtle appearances of the X-Men thoughout Phase 4, such as Quicksilver in WandaVision and Professor X in MoM. Even though these are both variants or illusions, I think their cameos would still be interesting and more meaningful for new viewers if they have already watched the X-Men movies.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, great point about watching the X-verse right after Loki and before Wandavision. I am totally sold on that. You've convinced me to go Option 2 for the X-verse. Thx so much for watching and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@WesleyGuerrero]

Another great video! Some thoughts I had, for the Spider-Man timeline you forgot to include Into the Spider-verse. It is animated and isn't required viewing but it might be something that may become more important to the Sony spider-verse as it goes on. The sequel would go after I'm sure but that brings more multiverse tangents (unlimited spider-man, Japanese Spider-Man are confirmed and the 90's spider-man cartoon is related to unlimited spider-man.) The Raimi trilogy also has it's own tangents with tie-in comics and video games and the new animated series which spins off of the first movie. There's a video by innovativejdawg with the entire Raimi timeline. Some upcoming movies that deal with the spider-verse would be the Spider-woman film, Kraven, Venom 3, and I hear they were making a Silk tv series. But I think what will be more important to the timeline is Spider-Man freshman year which will give us a general origin story for Peter in the MCU but instead of meeting Tony he meets Norman as his mentor. The X-Men timelines are further confused with Multiverse of Madness featuring a variant Xavier who doesn't quite fit in the Fox universe or the MCU. There's also the gifted and Legion that don't seem to fit into any timeline. But my head canon is that the XMCU ties into what is happening in the comic books house of X/powers of X and the character Moira Mctaggert. But I'll leave that spoiler free here. But it does give an explanation to the end credit scene in X3 (sorta). There are still a lot of marvel movies that could be watched that may eventually enter the MCU, particularly the Fantastic four films since we have our own multiverse variant Reed Richards and their stories often deal with dimension hopping. I really wanted them to use Ioan Gruffudd as the MoM Reed because he was the active Reed during the first X-men films and it would have incorporated those films too. Hopefully one day we could see all 3 and more in a Council of Reeds, and I would love to see Miles Teller as the Maker. I also want to shout out Oscar Isaac for being in the MCU (Moon Knight), X-Men films (Apocalypse), and in Spider-verse (Spider-man 2099)! I guess all I would say is the more marvel content consumed the better =)

[@WesleyGuerrero]

Ooh, and about that Morbius end credit scene. I'm hoping Sony will make it make sense by retro actively tying it to another force and not Doctor Strange's spell, it just doesn't make any sense. But since they have such a hard on for the Sinister Six, maybe they will be brought together by Madame Web or a real Multiversal Mysterio. Maybe they have to take out an Andrew Garfield Spider-Carnage! But that just a theory!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great comments! Yes, I agree about the spider-verse animated films and I am so hoping that they somehow tie into Kang and Secret Wars. That would be amazing! Can't wait for the second one to come out soon. And I will eventually mention the FF films. I'm not sure what to do with them right now, as I don't know if the original cast will show up in secret wars or not (I hope so!) or perhaps in Deadpool 3. And great shout out to Oscar Isaac. Guy gets around! Thx so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. Really enjoyed reading them all!

[@vincently1995]

X-Men (Fox) vs. Spider-Man (Sony)

[@samuelmackenzie5267]

When no way home came out I watched all the Spider-Man movies that came before in an unconventional order because Andrew never got his third movie, the order is as follows: Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, amazing Spider-Man, civil war, homecoming, infinity war and endgame, Spider-Man 3, the amazing Spider-Man 2, far from home, then no way home to wrap up the multiverse Spider-Man narrative. I put Tobey and Andrew’s last films just before far from home to get a better narrative sense of where they’re at closer to when we meet back up with them in NWH. I recently watch ang lee’s hulk and was curious as to which universe it’s apart of; if it was in the raimi-verse or fox universe, or if they’re the same universe? also when I watched x-men, Charles said it’s been almost 15 years since he got his amnesia, if origins took place in 79, then the first x-men should take place in 1994 instead of 2003, that’s confusing.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great comments. I really like your watch order for the Spidey movies. I think as long as at least a few of the Sony Spider-man movies get watched before Homecoming, then it's perfect and I really like the last few movies being right before No Way Home. As for Ang Lee's Hulk, there are a few easter eggs in the Incredible Hulk movie intro that tie back to that first Hulk movie. If you watch the opening of the movie, it seems to imply that at least some of the events in the Ang Lee movie happen prior to the Incredible Hulk movie. But I still consider it as part of the multiverse and not part of the main MCU. And as for X-men Origins: wolverine being the wrong number of years prior to the X-men trilogy, you nailed one of the many continuity issues in the movies. I didn't touch on all of them, but that is a big one for sure. It's just so bizarre that Fox was unable to keep their continuity in better shape. Another big example is in First Class, Prof X injury that paralyzes him occurs at an inconsistent time with the overall timeline. And there are so many more issues. Sigh. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

X-Men taking place in 1994? I don't get that nah at the earliest the movie takes place in 2002

[@LLDJo]

You should check out new rockstars' xmen timeline video as they do a really good job explaining the timeline and kind of explains some of the confusing bits. Great video, i love how you go into so much detail, and I understand your frustration with the mobius post credit scene it does not make sense

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I'll have to check out the New Rockstar's vid. I love that channel and might have seen the x-men timeline one, but I don't recall. I think my biggest concern on the films is that they present time travel differently from endgame so it will be interesting to see how they move from Deadpool 2 to Deadpool 3 and if the TVA's appearance with Mobius sheds some light on how DP's time travel works. If New Rockstar's answers that, then I will add Eric Voss to my Christmas card list for sure! Anyway, thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really do appreciate it!

[@nowonspecial]

Morbius can make sense. What if once Strange sent everyone back, they all went to different universes? So maybe Toby and Vulture went to Morbius universe. In the original trailer for Morbuis, Toby’s spider man was the one that appeared on the wall. I think the plan is for both spider men to team up again and get out of that universe.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow, now that's a theory I haven't heard before. What an interesting idea. I guess we'll have to wait and see what they end up doing, but I'm down for that. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@SeanWheeler100]

Why can't Strange do a simple Obliviate without displacing people in different universes?

[@nowonspecial]

@@SeanWheeler100 Who knows lol. Strange comes off suspicious at times like he’s a skrull or something. I mean he doesn’t appear in Wandavision( I know the reason in real life),but story wise its questionable. He misuses magic sometimes. His spell could have purposely not work or fail on accident. Spider man 3, no way home made the most money out of all the other movies. And into the spider verse won a golden globe. What’s the common dominator? Multiple spider men in a movie. So I won’t be surprise the goal is to have both spider man in Morbuis universe. Plus it will be like Sony’s version of “ infinity war”.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@nowonspecial I do think the idea of the two Spideys heading to the same universe is very interesting. No clue if they would go that direction, but it would make for some wild stories!

[@ianpage9979]

“Some character die but I won’t say names” *shows pictures* Meant light heartedly, you make excellent content dude!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I was waiting for someone to call me out on that. I couldn't figure out how to discuss that scene w/o using those pics, but yeah, kinda gives it away. Sigh. I needed a big spoiler label at that point. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Gave me a good chuckle!

[@colin_cpr]

I never really understood what happened in loki s1 but you were the one who finally explained in a way I would understand

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, S1 confused me as well. I don't fault the writers, as the concepts are really deep and take alot of thought to process. But now I'm really pumped for S2. Hope it's as amazing as S1!

[@colin_cpr]

@@AbitofEverything4U they have a lot of talent people working on it so most likely gonna be good

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, S2 should be amazing!

[@REYTRACER]

I always assumed there was multiple ways to time travel/manipulate time depending on how it's done. The Quantum Realm is one way. Cable's temporal dial is another. Kitty Pryde's abilities, the bangle, the time stone, and while on the AoS topic, the Chronicoms had their own time travel and there was also the Time Di'Alla. I don't know why but having multiple ways of time travel, altering timelines, and even jumping across timelines always made sense to me.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great points! Yes, there seem to be a ton of ways to time travel in the multiverse. The only reason I personally prefer a branch being created is that when you can re-write your own timeline (ala Back to the Future) it basically means someone can keep re-writing time as long as they start from a point further in the future. It just creates a mess after awhile so that you can't figure out what's going on. So I will be really interested to see how DeadPool 3 handles Cable's temporal time dial. I absolutely love DP2, but I just kinda wince at all the time travel shenanigans. Anyway, excellent commentary on time travel. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@eianblosch3341]

You know what video I would love to see you make next? Wherever your journey started in the MCU (whether that be the beginning, the middle or anywhere in between) you should go down every single marvel film/ tv show and not only tell us what you think of the movie but your experience with it as well. What was going on in your life at the time? What memories do you have that's attached to that movie? What has your journey been like throughout the entire MCU overall? Talk about being in the infinity saga. Reminisce about getting hyped up for each movie. Reminisce about the build up hype to infinity war and the agonizing wait for endgame after infinity war. I feel like it would be a very interesting video that tells a story. Your story of how you as a fan have evolved with the movies and the characters in it and how your life changed with it

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a fascinating idea. I think it would be fun to see how each entry was perceived along the way. And everyone's journey would be very different. I really like that idea. Great suggestion!

[@eianblosch3341]

@@AbitofEverything4U that's what I'm here for. Stick to your regular videos as well we all love them. I just thought that would make a great video

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much. Really appreciate that!

[@johnbalkin8223]

Great Video. Problem with option 1 is that you will have to explain the mutiverse which is a very big con. Nothing wrong with explaining MCU lore. But due to the fact the mutiverse is a very important plot plot. Best to learn about it has it happens and not before don't spoil it. That being said it. I would tell a new viewer to start with Spider-man. We should wait until Deadpool 3 comes and and then figure out how to watch the Fox timeline. New viewers like us can't watch the movie until it's out.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great comments. Yeah, the multiverse is a pretty big concept to lay on a new viewer, but I also agree with you that watching the Spider-man films early on seems to make the most sense. And I can't wait for Deadpool 3...not only because it will be a great movie, but also because it should be very interesting to see how they tie things into the X-verse. Thank so much for watching. Always love your feedback!

[@RikLord79]

I know marvel is your thing right now but I’d love to see a breakdown of the new DC chapter 1 slate. I’ve already seen breakdowns for it but none of them included which previous dc movies are officially conected to the new dc universe. If you can do you’re amazing man ( not that you aren’t already). Also thanks for the video on the Sony verse. I asked to see something similar to this a month or 2 ago and you made the video. You’re great man. Thank you!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ask and ye shall receive...I just loaded that video about the DC slate! And yes, I really appreciate you asking about Sony films. Sorry it took so long to get to it. Appreciate all your awesome support!

[@RikLord79]

Woah not even an hour and you made the video😆. Too bad I was sleeping. I’m going to watch as soon as I can.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks again for the suggestion!

[@ViralEdge]

Love the video! Love have you give not just a single way of watching but multiple options. Excited about the Netflix shows and Agents of shield!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I think it will be alot of fun to try to pull in the Netflix shows and AoS into an overall watch order. I've been asked about that several times, in fact. And thx for the positive feedback on the vid. Really appreciate it!

[@tovpp7]

I hope you and your son have fun watching the X-Men films, a lot of them are lackluster but there are so many fun moments and entertaining scenes. Those X-Men films have this weird awkward charm to them, I can't quite explain. I wish you two well while watching Dark Phoenix especially though, yikes.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

LOL! Yeah, I haven't decided if I'll make him suffer thru Dark Phoenix or not. But maybe I'll have him so hooked that by the time we get to it, he'll want to view it for completeness. Really appreciate you watching and sharing your well wishes for our journey. Should be a fun time with him!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

I say Fox's X-Men had many hits and many huge misses

[@ThoughtTie24110]

My ideas of how to watch: Watch Loki (introduces multiverse, time travel along with Endgame and ends with timelines splitting which can led to a new watcher wanting to know what happens could be happening in the bigger multiverse), then watch What If...? (episodes take place in different periods and universes, can explain how many time manages to happen between other things) and then watch the Sony/Fox films and imagine them with the escense of What If...? (diferent time periods and all of it isn't neccesarilly conected). With Let There Be Carnage and Morbius I would have two options which would be: Watch LTBC right after Far From Home and before No Way Home, Morbius right after NWH (the multiverse has already been explained and makes sense) or watch them along the other multiversal stuff after Loki and just wait for the post credit scenes

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent suggestions! I like that alot. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your preferred watch order. Love to hear what fellow MCU fans are thinking!

[@josinfleurs]

Great video as always! I think the best option is to watch the Spider-Man & Venom (I hate you Morbius) movies after Loki or Far From Home! It worked for me. But the X-Men movies? What can I say? So many movies, so many retcons, so many time travels... ugh, just watch everything before you even get into the MCU 😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome comments. You always give me a smile with your take on things. Yes, the X-men timeline is very, very painful indeed!

[@josinfleurs]

@@AbitofEverything4U You’re so kind! 😁

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well, that's cause it's true!

[@hunterterrell5735]

It's super well know how disastrous the Fox movie timeline is with it's contradictions. But I realized that the movie that did it the earliest was First Class, with Charles being paralyzed already and Erik already a villain by the end of the 60's. So in Days of Future Past, Charles and Erik mentioned vaguely thier states of being, but didn't mention how Erik was a villain or Charles was already in the wheelchair. So what if, First Class already took place in a branch, and those events led to similar consequences in the 70's, but how it happened and what later happens is separate from the rest of the timeline. And since Logan never originally participated with them until 2000, thought that was how it happened. Also for those movies I would chronological watch them beginning with Origins Wolverine, to The Wolverine, and then watch First Class, DoFP, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, the both Deadpool's

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point about the First Class continuity issue. I am always baffled by how badly they messed up the continuity of that shared universe. The MCU has 41 entries now and it's chronology isn't without a few issues here and there, but it is light years better then the X-verse which has only about 1/3 of the amount of entries in it. Just crazy. I think your idea about First Class being in a branch might address things. Just makes my head hurt thinking about all of it. Sigh. At least there were some great movies in the series, so there's that. Thx so much for watching and sharing your theories. Really appreciate it!

[@Volvagia0slayer]

Another disadvantage for Option 3 is that it kind of spoils some of the surprise appearances by priming the watcher to expect the characters they just watched to reappear. Where as if you watch the movies earlier on, their reappearance is much more of a pleasant surprise. That said, I think you make a great point watching the other Spider-Man movies early to establish an origin for the hero that the MCU skips over. That's an excellent observation. For me the only issue is deciding where to watch the Amazing Spider-Man movies because sticking them in around Avengers/Winter Soldier breaks up the flow of the MCU as well. Though I suppose if you watch Tobey and then Andrew back-to-back before the rest of the MCU that would better establish the fact that they take place in their own universes. I'm kind of hoping that references to the old X-Men movies will be kept to such a minimum that you don't have to include them in an MCU watch order. Obviously Deadpool 3 will require Deadpool and Deadpool 2, and Deadpool 2 kind of requires X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Logan, and either Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix (if you want to understand and recognize the characters in the X-Mansion in that one scene where the X-Men appear), but needing to watch 5 movies for Deadpool 3 instead of 13 would be really nice. Of course if you want to be able to understand EVERY cameo you also arguably have to throw in one of the original X-Men movies to get Patrick Stewart's Xavier (though he does technically appear in Origins, but you get so little of him that you might argue it's not enough on its own, and Deadpool's own references to Stewart Xavier will probably be funnier if you've watched at least the original X-Men movie first). And there's no telling what all you'll need to watch to understand all the cameos that are sure to appear in Secret Wars. Speaking of, that might be an interesting topic for a future video: which pre-MCU movies should you prioritize watching/are likely to be referenced in upcoming MCU movies? You've got the Blade trilogy, the X-Men and Spider-Man movies, Howard the Duck, the Daredevil/Elektra duology, the 2-4 Fantastic Four movies (depending on which ones you count), the Punisher duology, the Ghost Rider duology, the Hulk movie, the Lou Ferrigno Hulk TV movies... But of course that would be a difficult video if you haven't already watched most of these yourself. Of these I've only seen the Spider-Man movies, X-Men movies (minus New Mutants), and the first of the 2000s Fantastic Four duology, but I'm seriously considering going back and watching the others I haven't yet seen to make sure I can understand any cameos or references that pop up in future movies. (I probably won't bother with the Lou Ferrigno stuff though considering his movies are more or less wrapping up his TV show which ran for years.) Side note: I don't remember if I mentioned this to you, but hoping it might lead you to some of the same peace it did me, but my head-canon for the Morbius post-credits scene is that what we're seeing is the Adrian of Morbius's universe pulled into the MCU due to the events of No Way Home. He either commits a crime or is confused for the MCU's Vulture and so is imprisoned during the events of NWH so, just like Eddie Brock, Peter and Strange never realize he's in their universe. Then the spell is reversed and Adrian returns to his home Morbius universe. This explains his non-chalant "I hope the food is better in this joint". He thinks he's just jumped universes yet again and doesn't know which one he has ended up in this time. The people of his universe discover him in the jail cell, realize he's not supposed to be in there, release him, and he becomes famous overnight as the man who mysteriously appeared in a jail cell. He uses this opportunity and pulls a Mysterio, pretending he's from another universe in order to gain clout and notoriety (and an audience with Morbius) even though he's back in his home universe. Obviously no indication if this is what Marvel is thinking, but it helps ease my ire at that scene, lol.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent comments. Yeah, I do like your idea of just watching all the Spiderman Sony films early on in the MCU. No reason not to watch Tobey's and then Andrew's turn at spidey back to back and get it over with early. I'm not sure where to recommend the venmn/morbius movies, due to the end credits. From a purist standpoint, I guess watch Venom whenever, but Venom: LTBC should be right before NWH and Morbius right after NWH. But I'm also a fan of skipping end credit scenes and watching them later, which gives more freedom on when to watch the actual movies themselves. As for Morbius' end credit scenes, your idea is fascinating. It also addresses another very annoying set of issues with the second scene in that it explains where Vulture got his suit (he had already built it in the Morbius universe) and why he knows about Morbius in the first place. Although, it creates a new issue because if he jumped from the Morbius universe to 616 and then back again, I'm not sure why they let him out of prison in the Morbius universe. They would have known who he was and would have kept him there, it seems? I do like the idea of a master list of pre-MCU movies to watch. I fear we may have to wait until Secret Wars to know for sure, since we don't know who will show up. I've actually watched everything you mentioned other than Howard the Duck (I've avoided it like the plague) and the Hulk TV movies. I did watch the Hulk TV show, but didn't watch the movies. Will be interesting to see which ones become important based on cameos in Secret Wars. And I do suspect that several X-men movies can be skipped. However, I did forget to mention that watching one of the X-verse movies with Quicksilver (DoFP is the best of course) would be helpful to understanding the plot twist in WandaVision. Great comments as always. I love reading them each time!

[@Volvagia0slayer]

@@AbitofEverything4U I'm of the belief that Adrian wasn't infamous in the Morbius universe before being pulled over into the 616-verse. The post credits scene doesn't say that Adrian never existed in this universe before; it just says that "a man identifying himself as Adrian Toomes simply appeared in an otherwise empty cell". It could be that the police did find documentation that he existed, and that just didn't make it into the news story. So perhaps he had made the Vulture armor for himself in a pre-Homecoming style scenario and was pulled to 616 before ever actually utilizing the armor or getting arrested. He had no rap sheet, was never booked, and therefore they had no reason to keep him in prison. Also great call about making sure to keep DoFP or Apocalypse to hammer home the Quicksilver twist!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ah, I'm really following now. Now I totally love your Morbius theory. Brilliant, I say!

[@Volvagia0slayer]

@@AbitofEverything4U Thank you! Oh, I also forgot to mention that, though I've never watched the movies in this order before, for my next rewatch I'm seriously considering doing Spider-Man, The Amazing Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man 3, Venom. While interlacing the Spider-Man movies may seem nonsensical, I like the idea of this for two reasons. 1) It really drives home for new viewers that these Spider-Men exist in different universes. There's virtually no way someone will get confused and think that Tobey's Spider-Man retired and Andrew picked up the mantle or that Tobey was recast as Andrew somehow. 2) It lets you draw some interesting back-to-back parallels, for example seeing how Spider-Man 3 treats Venom vs how Venom treats Venom, the different Spider-Man origins, the Harry Goblin of ASM2 to the Harry Goblin of SM3. This may be a terrible idea in practice, but I want to see if the symmetry and parallels work as well in viewing as they do in my head, haha. Also totally agree with you on watching Venom 2 right before No Way Home unless you split up movie and post-credits. But I like the idea of sticking the whole movie there to build up some tension between FFH and NWH by having more than just a quick scene take place between them.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I like that watch order. Very creative way to enjoy the Sony films!

[@BrianMoviesMaker]

15:47 My head canon is since we see at the end of dark Phoenix a flicker in the sky from the Phoenix.. that Jean comes back… Charles apologizes and returns as 2nd head of the school and after that.. everything kinda adds up to the ending of days of future past

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think you nailed it. I like that way of bridging Dark Phoenix with DOFP!

[@fromyourbed_tunes]

Always deeply enjoy these videos. I feel that a brief part 2 for this video could be made with some follow up ideas. Maybe waiting till deadpool 3 comes out but- Quicksilver's "appearance" in Wandavision sticks out with your recommendation of waiting for Deadpool 3. There's no easy way to tackle them X-Men films, I'll say that. But maybe after Loki does make a good placement to watch those films I think.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I can't believe I didn't mention that. I totally agree, you gotta watch X-Men: DoFP prior to WandaVision. I will indeed to a follow-up as more movies become multiverse canon and will suggest the X-films after Loki instead of before Deadpool. I did have my son watch the awesome Quicksilver scene in DofP so he knew why I shrieked like a little kid at Christmas when Evan Peters showed up. Thanks for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@toaoDyonisoCaro37]

What I did with my ex who wanted to get into Marvel because of me was first, let her watch the Spider-Man films by herself, then we started watching the X-Men movies in release order, but never finished them because we broke up mid marathon Great options for watching tho, love your amazing content!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh my...very sorry about your marriage. But yeah, I think watching the non-MCU movies prior to starting the MCU may be the way to go. It can just get really tedious with some of those X-films, for sure! Thx so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@toaoDyonisoCaro37]

@@AbitofEverything4U oh no, it was not a marriage, she was just my girlfriend, dont worry. But yes, I did most of the planning and before the MCU we would’ve watched the X-Men, Spider-Men and all 3 Fantastic Four movies. For the Venom and Morbius, what I did was Venom right after Loki and What If, Let There Be Carnage right before No Way Home and as much as we don’t like it, Morbius after No Way Home. As for the Netflix shows, we were going to watch them chronologically around the same time they released, for example if Civil War was in 2016 and so was Daredevil season 1, then we would watch it there.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@toaoDyonisoCaro37 Excellent suggestions on the watch order. That makes alot of sense. And so glad it wasn't a marriage, but still a bummer when a relationship ends. Really appreciate you sharing your watch order. It was perfect!

[@CFunk99]

Man, imagine after Secret Wars comes out, people will try to figure out where to fit Wesley Snipes Blade, Ang Lee's Hulk, Ben Affleck Daredevil, Fox F4, that old Man Thing Movie, Nic Cage Ghost Rider, Howard The Duck, and...oh...

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Nooooo...please don't make me have to watch Howard the Duck! Anything but that! Yeah, Secret Wars is going to make things crazy. I can't imagine all the awesome cameos we're gonna get. So stoked! Thx so much for watching and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@OpinionParade]

You know how the 2nd X-Men timeline (+First Class) jumps forward a decade with each movie? I just placed some of those movies between the WandaVision episodes which do the same; in "chronological" order. It works really well as a refresher for those movies. Additionally, in that order, the last time we see Quicksilver is in Dark Pheonix, in the 90s, when he gets shot by debris in the street and takes a back-seat for the rest of the movie. After that, there's the Malcolm in the Middle WandaVision episode of the late 90s/Early 2000s where we see "fake" Pietro. What does he say he remembers happening last? He says the last thing he remembers is being shot in the street like a chump. The cool thing is that this can apply to Age of Ultron OR Dark Pheonix. Then, after the WandaVision finale (which I watch back-to-back with the Loki Season 1 finale), I watch Days of Future Past, Deadpool 1, New Mutants, Logan, and Deadpool 2 as the to emphasize the Multiverse. I really think this is the best way to organically rewatch most of those FoX-Men movies *within* an MCU watch-through. You even get the Wanda easter egg in DoFP, when they briefly show Quicksilver's home life.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow! That's fascinating. I love it! I never would have considered laying it out that way, but now I want to watch it that way. Thanks for sharing that!

[@OpinionParade]

@@AbitofEverything4U Glad to share :) It kinda makes the wacky timeline/aging stuff of those X-Movies land better, when Wanda is in between movies, manipulating reality. Do you know about the video that syncs Wanda's turn into the Scarlet Witch, with the eruption of new timelines (in Loki)? That's why I watch their finales back-to-back. I include that fan edit in my watch-through, after both episodes (to emphasize that turning point).

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I love that video that syncs the finales of Wandavision and Loki. It's amazing. I agree, watching the finales back to back really adds to the experience!

[@OpinionParade]

@@AbitofEverything4U Those shows definitely set the tone/themes for the rest of the Phase: Grief & Rebellion (imo)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@OpinionParade Yep...definitely agree!

[@lucianomunoz04]

Great timing cause I'm currently in a mcu marathon with all the movies and I wanted to also watch these ones

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome...enjoy your marathon. Should be alot of fun!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

Geez including the legacy movies?

[@lucianomunoz04]

@@captainjakemerica4579 Only the spider-man ones

[@captainjakemerica4579]

@@lucianomunoz04 I see yeah I donated my copy of TASM so I can only watch Raimi Trilogy

[@jasonreidy6893]

I think it doesn’t matter when the timelines were created. They should be watched after Loki and what if after the multiverse is introduced and explained. The x-men movies before wandavision to understand the Evan peters quicksilver cameo and the Spider-Man movies before far from home

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I think your suggested order works well. I do personally like watching the Spider-man movies prior to Homecoming, however, as it gives you a proper Spidey origin since Homecoming skipped it, assuming you'd seen his origin twice already. But your suggestion works great as well. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@realjohnlove]

18:58 It goes back to my point with Wolverine. So Cable would be the constant in the time travel since he traveled through time. Things changed for him which includes his belongings. When he returned things were different & it has to do with his method of time travel that allows him to be a constant. This works in Back to the Future as well. Everything is from Marty’s perspective, everyone else is living in the reality of Marty’s perception. So when Doc goes back in time, yes things change for him, but Doc never relived the same experiences twice also theres now two Doc’s in the timeline as a result of time travel. Marty the same when travels back to 55 a second time, there 2 Marty’s & to his future. HOWEVER, when he travels to 85. Whether its Biffs timeline or his changed timeline or the old one, there was never 2 Marty’s coexisting. So my theory for years has been Back to the Future also functioned on branched timelines

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I guess my issue with considering Cable's time travel to be the same as Endgames is that we didn't see things happening to the Time Heist heroes as a result of their changes. For instance, Steve saying "Hail Hydra" would have had immediate ramifications on his future and we would have seen the impact for Steve realtime in the past if it was the same logic as Cable's time travel. So Endgame avoided the butterfly affect with branching but Cable doesn't seem to be in a branch as his changes impact him realtime.

[@realjohnlove]

@@AbitofEverything4U Because of the different time travel methods, what happened only changed things for Cable’s reality because of his time travel. Thats a way it could work if explained. Quantum Realm vs whatever Cable was using Similar to the Ms. Marvel time travel. Kamala is a “time constant” with her method.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it could be Cable did whatever Ms. Marvel did. Although her change was a closed loop change and Cables seemed more like a "hey, let's invent time travel and re-write the past". Plus Ms. Marvel's might be magic. But I guess we'll find that out sooner or later.

[@xboywizardx]

9:30 I think Kevin wants the bottom one to be the cannon, and that’s what I thought this whole time but everything you said about the top one makes perfect sense too.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the watch order has alot of different options. Really excited to see what we learn from Deadpool 3 regarding the Fox movies and how they tie into the main MCU.

[@xboywizardx]

@@AbitofEverything4U I also think you’re spot on with using two different options to watch the spider man and x men stuff. I would definitely do option 1 for Spiderman but the x men I might do in and between the two Loki series

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks...I think that makes alot of sense as well!

[@isacctavares1368]

When I marathon them soon. I tend to not watch them with the MCU. To me they were separate. But now, I watch XMEN 1 and spiderman 1, then X2 and SM2 then SM3 and last stand. Then First class as a flashback, I watch them Basically at release order. Then the actual MCU begins, then before Avengers, TASM 1, then Avengers. Then Tasm 2, I resume The MCU.The Wolverine, then Days of Future Past, Last Stand retconned and Wolverine Origins retconned. Deadpool 1 and 2. The Helicarier is in DP 1 so it could be after Winter Solider, or Avengers 1. Then Logan somewhere in phase 4 and 5, Logan dies, Events of DP3, current MCU. And somewhere both Fox Xmen team and both Fantastic four teams exist somewhere there. Its fun to guess this is just for fun, but i feel so bad for the MCU timeline guy after secret wars 🤣. Great video, my brain hurt just thinking about this.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yup, that X-verse timeline is just a hot mess. Will be fun to see what Deadpool does with the movies when Deadpool 3 comes out. Hoping he dunks on that continuity a few times at least. As for your watch order, I think that makes alot of sense. So many ways to tackle all those movies. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your preferred watch order. Really appreciate it!

[@draftspartan1182]

I didn't even think about how messed up the X-Men's time travel shenanigans mess with a pure timeline order viewing. I feel like there's two options I would choose to watch these. First would be watching the Raimiverse and Webbverse movies in timeline order like you suggested, but put Venom 1, 2, and Morbius around Far From Home and No Way Home, going from Venom, FFH, Venom 2, NWH, and Morb to break things up. Then I'd pick option two for the X-Men, binging them after Loki, mostly because knowing about Fox's Quicksilver makes WandaVision more "interesting" if you recognize him. The other option could be to watch movies in "batches" at different points in the MCU. So Raimiverse and OG X-Men plus Origins and Maybe Wolverine before Iron Man. Webbverse around their timeline spot or between Phase 1 and 2. First Class, DOFP, Apoc, and Dark Phoenix between Phase 2 and 3, and DP1 + 2, New Mutants, and Logan between Phase 3 and 4. Then Venomverse at the same spot as before. As for the MCU TV shows, I'd say they're best in Timeline order. I've made my own list where I break up some of the shows episodes into batches when they overlap instead of watching one show at a time. I haven't watched it this way yet tho lol. I'm planning on rewatching the entire MCU (and maybe some multiverse stuff) before Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars. If you were to watch them without breaking them up, Geekritique's last major timeline has them in the best viewing order, but Agents of Shield should still be broken up a bit because it overlaps with some of the movies. I'd love to see you tackle their timeline in the future, good luck though, I'm sure it will be a long video to make.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent comments. Yes, I agree that it is better to watch the X-verse movies after Loki both for Wandavision and MoM. Very good suggestion. Really enjoyed reading all your comments. It's amazing how many different ways there are to watch the MCU. I truly don't think there is any one "best" way. But it sure is fun to try to brainstorm one. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@SeanWheeler100]

What if you watch them in the order based on the year they take place in no matter which timeline they're in? Like watch Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix before the first X-Men? If you're going to include different continuities in your binge watching order, might as well watch the altered past before the originals. Or you could just watch everything in release order.

[@draftspartan1182]

@@SeanWheeler100 eh I feel like it would be confusing if you did it that way. There’s a better flow if you watch the old movies before DoFP changes the timeline. Release order is an option tho, just not one I’d prob do if I was incorporating them into a MCU rewatch.

[@SeanWheeler100]

@@draftspartan1182 Release order can work in an MCU rewatch. Like if you watch Captain America: The First Avenger between Thor and The Avengers and Captain Marvel between Ant-Man and the Wasp and Avengers: Endgame. Honestly, release order would be easier than chronological order because the MCU's timeline is getting harder to figure out with some celebrations not making sense, and there's time travel to deal with. Loki exists out of time, and the titular character came from 2012 and time travels to Pompeii and the future, and Agents of SHIELD Season Five and Seven have the cast time-travelling, so going in true chronological order would not work so well. Watching movies in chronological order works best for Star Wars because not only are they numbered, they lack time-travel and alternate realities despite being a sci-fi series. Watching the MCU in release order is almost chronological anyway if you can treat the prequel movies Captain America: The First Avenger, Captain Marvel and Black Widow as flashbacks. The X-Men films work better in release order because the time travel changing events make a chronological order hard, especially if you want to binge watch every kind of Marvel movie. Most people saw the movies in release order anyway.

[@draftspartan1182]

@@SeanWheeler100 Well for my original comment, I essentially meant watching them in mostly release order just not maybe where they were release within the MCU. So watching them all after Loki or watching them in groups at different points within the MCU but not individually. It would work for sure I just wouldn't do it on a rewatch personally. Watching in chronological order doesn't really interfere with release order that much imo. I think it works better for some films, like Black Widow and Far From Home and the TV shows get sprinkled in between the movies. It's actually really interesting how many TV shows fill the gaps between some of the movies.

[@thefoeofdrip1184]

Can't wait for when you break down the timeline of Agents of SHIELD, especially their time travel shenanigans.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh man, I am so afraid to tackle that. But I gotta bite the bullet at some point. Gonna be a wild ride! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@KyleBruce99]

I really don't know how they're gonna try to cover Deadpool coming over. As cool as the concept is, the time travel doesn't work within the MCU Canon. Meaning, if time travel works differently in the Fox Canon and they can still come over, that means stuff like Agents of Shield are just a different timeline/multiverse as well. Even without MCU Canon, I'd never expect someone to do a full X-Men watch. That's not even counting those tv shows no one talks about (despite how good Legion is, which is a better Moon Knight imo)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it's gonna be really tough to deal with that crazy time travel in DoFP and also DP2. Not sure how they will address it. Will be very interesting to see. And I agree, Legion was great. It was a little long, but it still kept me engaged the whole time. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@haveidonethisbefore]

Across the Spiderverse kinda make Morbius post credit make sense. He wasn't pulled into the Venomverse due to the No way Home spell but an anomaly in timelines

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love that theory! I really think that makes sense and in fact I touch on that in my Across the Spider-Verse breakdown, in case you haven't seen that video yet. So you and I are definitely thinking alike on theory. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@Kompatainment]

I would honestly watch the other timelines before i watch the MCU. Most of these movie series started before Iron Man came out and one thing that made the MCU-debuts of Tobey and Andrew so great was nostalgia. So i would start with either the whole X-Men timeline(s) or the Tobey Maguire timeline, then the Andrew Garfield timeline, then the Venom timeline and then the MCU. I just don't want any breaks in the latter one.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I can definitely see the benefit in that suggestion. Watching the pre-MCU stuff first and getting it out the way is a great way to go. I think the end-credit scenes in Venom:LTBC and Morbius might be confusing as they tie into No Way Home so closely, but otherwise, watching the movies prior to the MCU works well. The only issue is a new fan might not even want to watch the MCU after falling into the abyss of the confusing X-men movies as well as some of the real duds in the series. That's why I might recommend holding off on those until later in the MCU watch order. But I still see alot of benefit in what you suggest. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really do appreciate it!

[@Kompatainment]

@@AbitofEverything4U I looked at it from my perspective as a fan. For rewatching that's my preferred order. But you're absolutely right, it probably wouldn't work for new viewers.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...it's tough to come up with a perfect watch order. But it is fun to brainstorm!

[@theverywell-informedfanboy6068]

Also, I don't think it's out of the question for each universe to work on a different timescale. After all, Into The Spider-Verse features both Noir and Peni Parker - The former hailing from a universe where it's still the 30's, the other coming from an alternate future, much like Miguel in Across the Spider-Verse. Like you pointed out, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness seems to indicate that this can be the case. Miles might currently live in the year 2020 while the MCU is in 2024, and Earth-838 is in 2021, all while simultaneously Miguel lives in the year 2099, Toby's Spidey aged up to 43 in 2027 in his timeline, and Noir's timeline is still progressing through The Great Depression. They're different universes with their own Big Bangs that may have gone off within the Multiverse at different points outside of time.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree 100% In fact, in later videos I adopt that idea that each universe has its own big bang and one of the things that means is that each universe can have a different reality stone (meaning some realities are cube, some are paint, some are animated, some are live action, etc) and it also means they can have a different time stone (giving us different flows of time for each universe). Excellent feedback. You nailed it!

[@ryanb3665]

I love the suggestions! I’m tempted to reconsider how I put the Spider-Man films in my own MCU order now. Currently, I watch in this order: MCU Phases 1-3 Loki Season 1 Original X-Men trilogy and 00’s Fantastic Four movies, alternating between the two. What If season 1 Rami Spider-Man trilogy and “Wolverine” trilogy (aka Origins, The Wolverine, and Logan), alternating between the two. WandaVision season 1 X-Men prequel trilogy (so, First class, Days of Future Past, Apocalypse, ignoring Dark Phoenix) and Amazing Spider-Man duology, alternating between the two. Eternals Falcon/Winter Season 1 Shang Chi Deadpool 1&2 Venom Thor Love and Thunder Moon Knight Season 1 Spider-Man Far from Home Venom Let there be Carnage Spider-Man No Way Home Morbius (excluding that awful post credit scene, of course, so I might move it up with Venom 1. Idk) Werewolf By Night Dr Strange Multiverse Madness Hawkeye season 1 Guardians Galaxy Holiday special She Hulk season 1 Ms Marvel season 1 Wakanda Forever (not sure about this one’s placement.)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great watch order. I really like that. I wonder if you should put the prequel trilogy before Wandavision, however, to make the Evan Peters appearance make more sense? And if you do decide to move the spider-man movies up, let me know. I think those are the only ones to move earlier. All the rest make sense somewhere after Loki, just like you have it. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@thevloggingcosplayer1369]

Oh that's a great list!

[@ghiggs8389]

You're missing the Blade trilogy, Cage's Ghost Rider movies, Affleck's Daredevil and the first 2 Hulk movies pre MCU.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@ghiggs8389 Correct, I was just focusing on Spider-man and the X-men, but I should have covered the rest. That said, I made up for it with this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIqYmnqBnpWnfq8. I'm working on a complete watch order for everything, but I don't have that done yet. Hopefully soon. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@ghiggs8389]

@@AbitofEverything4U I know, I was commenting on Ryan B's watch order since he included FF. 😉 I know it gets hairy when you start to include everything ever put out by Marvel under the multiverse umbrella, Like Spike TV's bad but good Blade series that never made it past it's first season and ended on a cliffhanger, and further back to the Bixby/Ferrigno Hulk TV universe, Captain America movies and the very very cringy Hasselhoff Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD (check out that early concept helicarrier 🤣). But I'm getting ahead of myself here 😜.

[@julianortiz5712]

I definitely agree with you that all these timelines existed and were NOT created with the death of He Who Remains. It simply makes more sense from an outside viewer. Also, as a fan (speaking about real life here), it feels odd thinking that these universes (specifically X-Men and Tobey Spider-Man, which were here even before the MCU existed in our reality), somehow depended on Loki to exist. I still stand for the fact that Jean didn't die in Dark Phoenix but instead something happened similar to X2 where we thought she was dead but was instead simply "reborn" and that explains her appearance at the ending of DoFP. I feel like there's no point trying to "fix" the X-Men butterfly effect time travel. I'm genuinely curious how MCU will explain multiple time travel devices with conflicting mechanics when Deadpool 3 eventually comes out. Also, wanted to point out that even though technically the X-Men movies will be canon once Deadpool 3 comes out, there have been references to it (Patrick Stewart in MoM), and therefore, with your suggestion of binging before that universe comes to the MCU, I feel like the X-Men movies would be best enjoyed before MoM as you'd learn of the significance of Stewart playing Professor X. Personally, I'd watch them one universe at a time, starting with X-Men or Tobey Spider-Man, then the other one, then Andrew, and then the MCU. For Venom, both movies maybe right before NWH and Morbius right after NWH (disregarding that awful post credits, of course). Either way, I feel like Secret Wars will add a BUNCH of other universes to that list. There's a lot to pull from: Both Fantastic Fours, Blade, Ghost Rider, like 3 different Punishers, Howard the Duck, Ben Affleck Daredevil, Eric Bana Hulk, Spider-Verse, all the animated stuff, and I'm excited to see what they do with the huge potential of Secret Wars. Finally, hope you and your son enjoy watching the X-Men movies. Even though they can be a bit of a mess sometimes, I love them and am curious on which order you'll be watching them. Personally, I like release order (with Dark Phoenix after Apocalypse and with both Deadpool movies last as to not spoil Logan), since the Days of Future past problem isn't as prominent as it'd be in timeline order. Anyways, great video as always.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent points as always. I really like your reasoning for the Fox and Sony universes not relying on Loki to be created. So well said! I do like the idea of Jean Grey ultimately not dying in Dark Phoenix. Perhaps if they had gotten one more movie under their belt it would have worked out with that happening. At least it is a plausible explanation for her still being alive afterwards. And you raise a great point about watching the X-verse before MoM. I totally agree. In fact, using that logic, it might make sense to watch the X-verse prior to WandaVision so the Evan Peters plotline is more interesting. I'll let you know how it goes when we watch the X-verse. I am hoping he enjoys them as much as I did. Really appreciate all your spot on feedback, as always!

[@julianortiz5712]

@@AbitofEverything4U Of course! The Evan Peters Quicksilver. Totally forgot about that but you're totally right. Awesome as always!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, love that Evan Peters appearance in Wandavision. Even if it was a trick in the end, I loved every minute of it none-the-less!

[@josinfleurs]

A friend of mine asked me to explain the full X-Men timeline, and I don’t remember another time when I felt so much headache in my life

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Preach it!

[@realjohnlove]

When He Who Remains died this created branches that would allow his universe to be accessed. They say in Loki, Sylvie says she is “freeing the sacrdd timeline/multiverse” she wasn’t creating them So I agree with your assessment it always existed

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love your point about the sacred timeline(s) and Sylvia "freeing" them. That is an amazing observation!

[@theverywell-informedfanboy6068]

I think I mentioned in another comments thread that I don't believe the events of Loki created the multiverse so much as it exposed "The Sacred Timeline" to it. That said, when it comes to setting the other Spider-Man movies on the timeline, I do think narrative flow and function are important so that anyone can approach the timeline at any point in their viewing experience and still have fun with it. Typically, I've tried to stay away from placing them on the timeline, rather making them optional viewing, but Across the Spider-Verse has kind'a created a fun game of multiversal cause and effect that's got me more interested in including out-of-continuity material. That said, I lean more towards your "Option 2", but with some variance: Watch Loki: Seasons 1 & 2 after The Avengers: Endgame to establish the multiverse within the fabric of the Marvel Cinematic Universe's storytelling, followed by What If...?: Season 1 to double-down on the concept and show how it works, THEN move onto the Raimi and Webbverse films before returning to the MCU. I don't believe they're branches, mind you... I believe they exist within their own separate universes entirely; But, watching them here works with this big contextual shift in the narrative flow. Then, I'd move through everything up to the events of Spider-Man: Far From Home before getting to the rest of Sony's multiversal offerings; Now, I think these can be viewed before, in-between, or after both Spider-Man: Far From Home & No Way Home. For the sake of narrative flow and letting those two films run uninterrupted back-to-back, I'd prefer either before - Where, narratively, they sort'a belong - or after - Where we can stick with the multiverse theme between Spider-Man: No Way Home and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. But, essentially, you'd watch Venom, Morbius, then Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse, and then Venom: Let There Be Carnage. Then, either way, I'd watch Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (And, obviously, Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse when that comes out) before jumping into Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and then following the MCU from there... In terms of the X-Men, I'm withholding that stuff until we have a definitive answer on what's going on, which is to say until Deadpool 3 comes out...

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love all the ideas in your comment and agree 100%. When I made this video, I was thinking that the Spider-Man movies were branches off 616 that were created when the multiverse exploded into existence as a result of Loki S1's ending. But now I'm absolutely in your camp of believing the Spider-Man universes are part of the multiverse that has always been out there. Loki S2 changed the game completely. So I think everything you said above makes perfect sense!

[@Blazecap]

I think it makes sense to bing watch the spider man movies, fox-men, and even the FF stuff after Loki. It actually relatively works because the universe expanded if you need an break from the mcu you can other things. I think it’s deliberate that he who remains separated mutants, FF, and spider-man(at least initially)from the main mcu because they could stand in his way. Secret wars will be the ultimate culmination of not only the mcu but most of marvel cinema since the 2000s.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, Secret Wars is going to be amazing. Can't wait to see what they do with it. Really amazed at how Marvel continues to get better and better with each Phase. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts on the watching order. Really appreciate it!

[@tdog2658]

The way I think of the alternate future in DoFP is that after Wolverine's time heist, he wakes up in the new future and is the new Wolverine. So Wolverine's history now is that he played a part in the original timeline and then traveled back in time only to be put in weapon x again and then eventually joins the X-Men but then forgets his entire past from the new timeline when his past self takes over his mind. The Jean Grey stuff is tricky. She didn't really die, she just became the phoenix so Scott or someone must have found a way to bring her back to her original form. What are your thoughts on this?

[@tdog2658]

Also I still think Deadpool branches. Somebody must've washed the bear

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I have to wonder if somehow they just created a branch when they sent Wolverine's consciousness back in the past and then he returns to the branched future in the end. The sad part is that means everyone died in the original branch, but that's just the way time travel works in the MCU. I also agree that Jean Grey must not have died in Dark Phoenix. They never canonized that, but it still works as a good explanation. And yeah, lets just say they cleaned up the teddy bear. Love that idea! Thx so much for watching and sharing your theories. Really appreciate it!

[@tdog2658]

@@AbitofEverything4UThanks man. Also the way that I would watch the multiverse movies would be watch Loki, then What If...?, then the multiverse movies. This could change though after Loki season 2

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I would agree that at this point at least, watching right after Loki S1 makes sense.

[@louisjones696]

I think you should make an non mcu timeline. This would mean pretending all other non mcu marvel movies are in one shared other universe. I know it wouldn’t be a great cinematic universe but I think that it would be a cool idea. You could work fant4stic, the amazing spider man and the punisher reboot to be in the new x men timeline, while movies like daredevil and Toby’s movies are in the old x men time line. I just think that this would be an interesting idea to see done.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...what an interesting idea. Would be very intimidating to put it together, especially trying to figure out which heroes would be located in each universe...but I really love the idea. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your suggestion. I really appreciate it!

[@howveyouben]

I had never seen any of the X-Men movies before WandaVision. Then episode 5 dropped and when Evan Peters showed up, I just kinda chuckled and was like “Okay, so she’s just pretending this random guy is her brother.” Then I went online and found out why the fandom was freaking out. So in the week between Ep 5 and Ep, my wife and I binged like half of the X-Men films. Basically the original trilogy and the New Class quadrilogy. Just so we knew everything about Quicksilver. Unlike most fans, I’m not upset about the Ralph Bohner bait-and-switch; I understand why it was in there narratively and have to commend the writers for making that decision. But I do look back and laugh at the fact that we desperately absorbed as much of fhe X-Men films as possible before Ep 6 pretty much for nothing 😅 (Although seeing DoFP before seeing Multiverse of Madness was nice because I caught the reference.)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a great story! Yeah, I had my son binge some of the X-verse movies when Evan Peters showed up. I'd seen all of them, but he hadn't, so it was helpful for him to catch up on them at that point. I was also fine with the Ralph Bohner fake-out. I was bummed it wasn't really him, but I thought it was a clever choice none-the-less. And yes, it did indeed help to have seen some of the X-verse movies in prep for Multiverse of Madness. Looks like Deadpool 3 will also pay off your efforts, as several members of the X-verse will be appearing. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@withyline]

The X-Men movie wiki posits that Jean Grey didn’t actually die, which was implied in Dark Phoenix (which I didn’t bother rewatching because it sucks), so there’s a way “New 2023” could be canon in tandem with Dark Phoenix. Also, I disagree regarding pre-Loki multiverse interpretation. I thought the farther a branch was, the more different it was from the Sacred Timeline. If that’s true, there’s no way Tobey and Andrew’s Universe, the X-Men universe, or the Morbverse could be in that “rope”. They’re just way to distant to NOT create a timeline that might make another Kang.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the X-verse timeline is just a hot mess. It's hard to make it even semi-coherent. As for the multiverse, I don't know that it matters how far off from the sacred timeline things diverge. It's more about whether a timeline would create a Kang...at least that's what I thought Michael Waldron was saying. So a universe can be very divergent from the main MCU, but it just can't create a Kang. But I could be wrong. Maybe we get the answer more clearly in Loki S2. Would be great, if so. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@theverywell-informedfanboy6068]

As for your last question, about the Marvel TV shows: As far as I'm concerned, they're canon and have their placements in the timeline. Of course, Agent Carter's two seasons take place in 1946 and 1947, respectively, after Captain America: The First Avenger and before Captain Marvel; Season 1 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. occurs from September 2013 to January 2014, intersecting with the events of Thor: The Dark World and Captain America: The Winter Soldier; Season 1 of Daredevil picks up two consecutive years after The Avengers, beginning in July 2014 and ending sometime in October of that year, followed by Jessica Jones' first season in February of 2015, and then Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s second season which begins in April and ends in June, overlapping with The Avengers: Age of Ultron. Daredevil: Season 2 catches up with Matt Murdock in the last days of July and into August of 2015 before jumping forward to November as the jury screenings take place for Frank Castle's court case, allowing the events of Ant-Man to transpire in the meantime; But before the finale of Daredevil's second season finishes out on Christmas of 2015, Luke Cage's first season kicks off in early-December. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. comes back for a third season to kick off 2016 but before it can finish leading up to Captain America: Civil War, Iron Fist's first season drops in, beginning on the day of the Chinese New Year in February. Iron Fist's first few episodes kind'a break up over the course of a few months, playing in the background as Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. catches up to Captain America: Civil War and Black Widow in April of 2016. Iron Fist pretty much becomes more consistent after he gets his stake back in Rand Industries and the show takes us into July of 2016. As maligned as it is, The Inhumans does have its place in August 2016, at the very latest, as the Terrigen contamination from the end of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s second season is referenced and has not seemingly run its course yet, which will supposedly finally occur in December of 2016. We then jump forward to late-October, into November with the events of The Defenders, with starts to cross-pollenate with The Punisher's first season just before Karen's put into witness protection. The Punisher takes the ball and runs with it through the month of November. Before you know it, we're in February of 2017 with Cloak & Dagger: Season 1 and back with the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. for their fourth season that following April before they're plucked from time in June. Then Jessica Jones' second season, Luke Cage's second season, and Iron Fist's second season all occur back-to-back covering the entire summer and taking us into the fall of 2017, with the first show beginning in June, the second one in July and into September, and Iron Fist moving us into October just in time for us to catch up with Cloak & Dagger again in their second season, and finally reconnect with Matt in Daredevil's third season, which brings us to November. The Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. return from their adventures in an alternate future in season 5, just in time for a little reference to Thor & Loki being in New York during Thor: Ragnarok to be made. After the 100th episode, though, the show sees a few breaks for other things to be placed on the timeline... Still in November, The Punisher's second season begins and finally brings us to December for us to meet The Runaways. Over the course of seasons 1, 2, and the first half of 3 of their show, we move from December of 2017 to February before the group gets lost in the Dark Dimension for six months. All the while, Jessica Jones' second season happens in March before Ant-Man & The Wasp and The Avengers: Infinity War - With the last eight episodes of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s fifth season cut in-between - take the universe by storm. The rest of The Runaways' third season then picks back up the following August. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s sixth season picks up a year later, followed closely behind by the events of season 7, which mostly takes place outside of time in multiple branched timelines before finally returning to The Sacred Timeline for the finale and jumping forward another year to say goodbye to the team. Helstrom kind'a just falls into 2020 somewhere before we move onto The Avengers: Endgame three years later.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback on the pre-Disney+ shows. I did some timeline videos on the different pre-Disney+ shows, in case you want to check them out. ABC shows: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnLKpZh6rt1pg7c Netflix: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYrGial5hZycqpY Hulu: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmSXm6R8nJacr7s Legion/Gifted: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIqYmnqBnpWnfq8 I did them separately since it seems that Marvel is considering them to be branches off the main MCU timeline, but I did include how each one ties into the Marvel movies, as I know several fans have rejected the idea that they are on a branch and are instead part of the sacred timeline. Regardless of where the shows fall into the bigger picture, I loved them all, so I wanted to map out their timelines as best I could.

[@theverywell-informedfanboy6068]

@AbitofEverything4U Sorry I haven't watched them all! I recently just discovered your channel and have been sporadically watching different videos you've made as they appear on my home page during my night time routine. I'm getting around! LOL!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh my, no rush. Just letting you know that I do love those pre D+ shows and I wanted to give them a full effort at their timelines.

[@MFSHARTY]

Hell yeah!! Another video to watch at work😎

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Don't forget to wear headphones...I don't want to have your boss reporting the channel for being a workplace disruption! 😂

[@filmflash3297]

Amazing VIDEO I have been waiting for this video for a while so happy you managed to do it ..well done ..I love your take .. I completely get all your points believe me I have had this debate about the Spider-Man films since no way home. And I think I might have a conclusion I might go with option 3 personally although my mcu collection is displayed in order of release I might break the rules only when it comes to multiverse storylines This video was a great help

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, those multiverse films are so tough when it comes to finding an ideal watch order. For a new fan in particular it can be difficult. You want a new fan to focus on the main MCU, but you also want the fan to understand the references to Spider-man, the X-men, etc. It's really tough. Good news is that it all works out in the end. Lots of great content for fans no matter how you watch it in the end. Thx for watching and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@filmflash3297]

Hello again I’m not sure if this question of mine deserves a video i leave that to you but I have a question about how exactly do you view the into the spidervers movies ?? Would u place them in your mcu shelf or not because if you are going to include venom then remember venom has a post credits regarding the animated film do u see it as just something to ignore or do u see it as yet again something that needs to be placed in the mcu multiverse watch order ?? If so where would u place it

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I am really hoping that we get a direct tie between the Sony movies, the MCU and the S;pider-verse soon. Would be very cool for them to wrap them all in together. Really depends on how well Sony and Marvel are playing together. Sony may decide to be protective of their IP and not let the Spider-verse tie in to anything else. But it would be so amazing if a post credit scene for Across the Spider-verse ties them all together!

[@DecoyZ]

I'm going to watch the whole mcu with my fiance who has barely seen any movies And I plan for us to watch all the fox/sony films (besides Deadpool) BEFORE the mcu So tobey, Andrew, x-men Then we begin watching the mcu That way she can feel the anticipation for Toms spiderman And have a mini no way home moment like me Cause I watched tobey spider-man 3 when I was a kid, first film I ever saw in theatres I grew up on spider-man

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love that idea. I think watching them first makes alot of sense. I grew up on Spider-man as well, so getting his movies in early will be awesome. Hope she doesn't lose faith during some of the dud X-men movies, but there are some great ones in there too. Wishing you both a great time watching the MCU together!

[@DecoyZ]

@@AbitofEverything4U yeah! Thank ya! And I have faith in her to hold out through some of the duds lol By the way I have to say I just found your channel and am loving the content, there's so much negativity and anger these days it's really nice to have a calm creator to come back to. You're definitely one of my new all time favourite KZbinrs

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much. Really appreciate the positive feedback. I agree, it's fun to take a positive spin on things. The MCU isn't perfect, but there is so much to enjoy that I'd rather focus on those things instead...well, and take an occasional dunk on things as bad as the Morbius end credit scene, of course! 😂

[@chickenphat730]

Great video again! I think your options you chose probably make the most sense. And that’s a great point about the fact that it’s implied that you know Tom’s Peter’s origin, so the OG and TASM movies help do that for complete newcomers. I also think that another way people could do it is watch all 3 franchises all at once. Which might seem odd, but this way you would start with Captain America 1, Spider-Man 1, and X-Men First Class, but it doesn’t matter which you watch first or anything because all that matter is that you watch them some what parallel with each other (like you could alternate universes or just binge a much of MCU and then through in a Spider-Man or something, it doesn’t matter the order other than each of the franchise orders separately. If that makes sense?), and so all that would matter is that by the time you get to Spider-Man No Way Home in your MCU watch through, you would have to have been done watching all of the 8 Sony movies, and that you have watched all of the 13 Fox movies before watching Deadpool 3 (or before Multiverse of Madness if you really want to understand the Professor X part, though it’s not the same universe). Anyway. Lol. I like your way, but this is just another way I came up with. Have a good day!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I like that order as well. It breaks up the franchises abit, and we still get the benefit of seeing them early enough for things like the Spidey origins to happen prior to Homecoming. Great suggestion! Always appreciate reading your comments and feedback!

[@chickenphat730]

@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks man, I’m glad you recognize my name 😊

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@chickenphat730 Yeah, love your YT name. Easy to remember and always makes me smile. Very clever!

[@JakeyJones]

I disagree with the multiverse theory that Sony and Fox universes existed before He Who Remained died. I wasn’t aware that the parameters of a universe being allowed in the sacred timeline was a Kang not being created. That definitely got me thinking about the fact both Toby and Andrew both have never heard of the Avengers and that could be because of the theory Kang is a descendent of either Tony, T’Challa, or a soon to be introduced Reed Richards. Maybe those timelines and the Fox ones are allowed in the Sacred Timeline because they don’t have a Kang heritage. However, the way I interpreted that multiple universes in the sacred timeline line, is that those are the multiple versions of main timeline with the Avengers, the ones that the Avengers travel to in Endgame. I don’t think they’re full timelines that lead to a He Who Remains, but the branches of the main timeline that fit the parameters of the Sacred One. My fan theory is in those timelines they have a weird brand of soda or something small and insignificant. Like in Spider-Man into the Spider-verse. I believe once He Who Remains died, all timelines existed now from the beginning. So I don’t think Feige means what Sylvie did directly caused Doctor Strange’s spell to go wrong, I think Peter Parker caused the spell to go wrong. The multiverse existed the entire time and the TVA exists outside of time so it’s weird.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I think your theory works just fine. While I like the idea of the Tobey and Andrew universes having always existed while HWR was alive, there is no definitive answer on it. So your theory could very well be correct. Perhaps the timeline book coming out in September will answer it. We'll have to see. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@ivankapetanovic4070]

I shared my viewing order in a previous video of yours but building upon this I'd say put Tobys spiderman in the fox timeline before days of future past and then Andrews between that and deadpool 2 and finish it of with venom/morbius. Logan can be a conclusion to that "phase"

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Makes alot of sense. I really like that order. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it!

[@gyga100]

if i had to chose a watching order i would say to binge after the end of phase 3,since a just end ,so doesnt stop any history flow and get you everything explained down the line in Spiderman no way home and doctor estrange 2

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think the X-films are definitely a binge after Phase 3...probably after Loki. I do at least like watching the Sony Spidey films abit earlier, sometime before Homecoming. But I also agree that holding off on the Sony films until Phase 3 works as well. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@Justin-Rocco]

Love your content! Thee absolute best.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much. Really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@gyga100]

19:30 or maybe since time travel in the Fox/Xmen universe dont use Quantum tecnology or magic,its just works in the butterfly effect way because its a diferent tecnology,and that would explain why the One Who Remains never needed to send the TVA there,since time travel on that universe dont generate new timelines,its just self fix himself with each change......this whole timeline just turn into a mess if you try to put the Fantastic Four in the middle,since Fox was planning to put then together at some point........and dont think that people had any problem with the Forth Wall breaking jokes or Meta humor on SheHulk.....problem was the rest of the show......

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I do wonder if the explanation for the time travel differences are that they weren't using quantum tech in the X-films. But I also just can't stand the butterfly affect as it creates such chaos in the timeline. Still, I think you could be on to something. Oh, and regarding She-Hulk, there are definitely some people that didn't like the rest of the show, but there were alot of people hating on Ep 9 as it was too reality bending. That's what made me have to scratch my head, as both Deadpool films are very, very reality bending. So it's weird anyone would be turned off by Ep 9 but enjoy the Deadpool movies. But great comments. Loved reading your take on things!

[@Alejandroigarabide]

Maybe Deadpool 3 will finally set in stone which X-verse movies will be relevant and which ones will be skippable.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I would love it if Deadpool 3 does that for us. We need some order in the otherwise orderless X-verse. Movies are good...timeline, not so much!

[@Alejandroigarabide]

@@AbitofEverything4U Yes. A year ago I was expecting a full on reboot of the X-Men instead of an integration into the MC Multiverse. Now, with Xavier cameoing in MoM, I'm half expecting them to bring back the actors but not exactly the same versions of the characters. That's the only way I see of bringing the X-Men without messing with the established canonical rules of time travel and the multiverse.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great points. There is alot to consider before they attempt to make the X-verse canon. But Feige is basically a genius, so hopefully he finds a way to tackle things. I think he was involved all the way back to the first X-men movie.

[@Alejandroigarabide]

@@AbitofEverything4U Yes, he was involved but I doubt he was planning an integration that much ahead. Yes, he is a genius so he'll probably: 1) Not bring those movies into continuity, only the actors and music. 2) Bring some of the movies into canon, the ones that don't contradict each other. 3) or a third option: bring ALL the movies to canonicity but dividing them into ten or twenty different timelines. I don't see other way, since the very ending of each movie contradicts the start of the next from Last Stand onwards. And don't get me started on characters being born twice or not aging in 40 years. I have the same reaction to the X-verse continuity errors you have to the Morbius post credits scene 😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the X-verse continuity is such a hot mess and to your point, I only began to touch on the issues. Regarding Feige, you are correct that he wasn't planning on an integration with the greater MCU when he helped with the X-verse, but he does have a love for those movies and I think he'll want to do right by them. Fingers crossed!

[@JcFerggy]

If in Loki they were guarding against another Kang, could the Nexus event that happened on Lementis 9 be that He Who Remains would have lost his shit if the two people he had planned to take his place ended up dead, potentially causing him to revert to a Kang-like mindset.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think you nailed it. Other than those two Loki's (i.e. our 616 branched Loki and Sylvie), the TVA was otherwise pruning any branch that would create a Kang. But HWR wanted the Loki's to find him, so I think he triggered the monitors to register that nexus event. At least that's my theory. Excellent suggestion!

[@WhiteRaven696]

I hate the Vulture post-credit scene so much. The only explanation I can think of is that since Venom stayed behind (or rather, a small piece of him), someone else had to be sent in his place, and it just happened to be Vulture. I still hate it, though.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that post credit scene is so, so painful. Maybe now that Sony and Marvel are working together, they can find a way to undo it (or just say it was Morbius having a fever dream). Sigh...such an awful post-credit. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@sethchee1897]

Personally I've only watched the mcu Canon confirmed shows. But ur other of watching all the non mcu shows before the mcu introduction is good. I might do that for deadpool before the deadpool 3 movie comes out

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for your feedback. Always love to hear your perspective. So many different ways to approach the watch order. Makes it fun to try to figure it all out!

[@sethchee1897]

@@AbitofEverything4U agreed!

[@withyline]

19:20 “Don’t ask me how it does that, it’s a computerized bear, and the guy figured out time travel”

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I can't believe I actually said that line. In all my years, I never thought something like that would come out of my mouth.

[@TheTurdle]

Obviously this is just speculation, but I'd argue watching Logan after Deadpool 3 and (probably) Secret Wars cuz I think they'll make these films take place before Logan given the fact that he, you know, dies, and if that's the case I think Logan's story arc would become much more interesting as you have the X-Men films, Secret Wars assuming he does appear in it and finally Logan where he dies and you avoid a Black Widow situation, again this is just speculation based on what I think they'll do but I think it's cool.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love that idea! Yes, I think I'll amend my recommendations to hold Logan until after Secret Wars. Excellent suggestion!

[@Z51K1NG07]

I will always argue that First Class is NOT a prequel to the original films and is its own adjacent universe just like Toby and Andrew's adjacent universe of films. One could argue a time paradox was created by Deadpool 2 with the killing of Origins Wolverine version of Deadpool which could have created the original X-Men Trilogy. Also its been said that Deadpool 2 got erased because he saved Vanessa. So everytime you time travel, you're leaving one universe/timeline to a new universe/timeline. So the films erased as a result of Deadpool and Wolverine time traveling is X-Men Origins, The Last Stand, & Deadpool 2. So the order would be: X-Men Origins: Wolverine X-Men 1 X-2 The Last Stand The Wolverine First Class Days of Futures Past Logan Apocalypse Phoenix Deadpool 1 Deadpool 2

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting theories! Considering that the origin of Magneto in First Class does such an amazing job of recreating his origin from the first X-Men movie, I really like the idea that First Class is part of the original timeline and is also part of the post DOFP timeline. But I think the X-Verse timelines are definitely something that each person can form into their own personal head canon, since the movies can be interpreted several ways. Thanks for sharing your take on it!

[@realjohnlove]

12:38 Its possible that Wolverine is a constant. So the original timeline probably still existed, but for him a new future was created because its like they say “your past becomes your future” & because only his consciousness went back its a loophole. His physical body & all the X-Men probably still died in the original 2023. All of that happened but he got a second chance to live in a different timeline. For McCavoy Prof X he never experienced what Patrick Stewart did in the future. So he had new experiences Thus we have two branched timelines for the Fox universe

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a very interesting theory on Wolverine. I'm down with that explanation!

[@PaigePlayz_]

I've been on my first ever MCU binge for a while. I unfortunately got burnt out during phase 3 & decided to take a break, but even so, it's always a pleasure to watch your content to see you & the fans figure out where everything fits in the timeline. Your videos are very entertaining, Keep up the amazing work! :D

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, bummer...sorry you got burned out on your rewatch. But that's good you took a break and I suspect you'll be ready to pick things up down the road after some time has passed. Thanks for sharing your journey so far. And thanks so much for watching the vid. Really appreciate it!

[@isaaccuevas1717]

How do you see the REALLY obscure movies like venom and morbious in all this

[@isaaccuevas1717]

And are they both in the same wierd Sony universe

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I do indeed cover that very point about Morbius and Venom. Let me know what you think about my theories on them. And thanks for watching the vid. Really appreciate it!

[@juanify9707]

They will probably still show up in Secret Wars no matter how shit they are. Kevin Feige said that his ultimate goal is to have all Marvel characters that appear in live action movies and shows to show up in that movie.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@juanify9707 Yes, I suspect we are going to see everything but the kitchen sink thrown into Secret Wars!

[@QuynhNguyen-gp4ti]

Excellent video as always! (Sorry I haven't commented on your latest video because it's Lunar New Year celebration and I have been busy) Hoo boy the X-men timeline is really confusing. I'm with you with the butterfly effect time travel. It's nice if it's done in a non-franchise film, like once and done to really emphasize the scope of the story, but in a franchise film, it really effects the other movies and renders them pointless, accidentally or not. So about your point with Tobey's Spidey's age. Idk but I have always assumed they are pulled from the furthest point in time in which they are existing in their own universe. Like with characters that died like Goblin, Doc Ock and Electro, they died (ceased to exist) in 2002, 2004 and 2014 respectively so they are pulled from that point in their timeline. As with the characters that are alive and well, I assume they are pulled from the moment they furthest exist in their time, which means it totally makes sense for Tobey Spidey to be pulled BACK to 2024 from his furthest point in existence (2027). Andrew Spidey aren't as clear as Tobey Spidey but I would assume that he was pulled into MCU from the time not long after Gwen's death. Because honestly, all the indications of his portrayal in NWH point out that he's not really over Gwen's death, still struggles to pull his punches and seemingly on his journey to heal. If he's pulled from his 2024 it's a way too long time (10 years) for him to not get help to heal himself, just saying. As for Sandman and Lizard, Sandman I can see him still being sands and his daughter taking care of him or something, and not really meet Tobey Spidey even after all those years (that's why he recognized/mistook Tom Spidey as Tobey Spidey when Tom Spidey wore the inside-out suit, it looks like the symbiote suit). Maybe he's also pulled from 2027 like Tobey and thus freaked out when he's not seeing his daughter. As for Lizard, I have to do some mental gymnastics but, hear me out. What if: 1. After Andrew cured Curt Connors, he gets killed in prison or 2. After Andrew cured Connors, the Lizard ceased to exist in his own timeline, like Connors lives on as Connors but the Lizard in "killed" in 2013, thus when he entered the MCU, it's right before Andrew cures him, as it was his (Lizard's) further point to exist. I don't know, does that all make sense? As for the watch order, I have seen KZbinrs do the MCU release orders -> binge Sony's Spider-mans -> No Way Home and then continue the MCU and watch Fox's movies in between whenever they like. It seems to work for them. As for me, I have been watching everything all over the place depends on my mood so I'm not the best person to suggest watch order, but if it were me, I would suggest watch the movies in release order alongside Sony's and Fox's movie if you're not keen on committing to the flow of one cinematic universe, and watch the movies like the KZbinrs do if you care about immersion.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great comments. Hope you enjoyed the Lunar New Year Celebration! I think your points about pulling Andrew from the future make sense. I mean, there's no reason the spell couldn't do that. It seems a little confusing at first, but it ultimately makes sense in the end. And I think your watch order order makes alot of sense as well. As for the Lizard, I think your idea can work...it's definitely a confusing situation, but your thought process tackles it as well as can be, I think. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Enjoyed reading them all!

[@MCLegoboy]

Option 4 is to just watch everything in Release Order... and I mean EVERYTHING, or at least starting in 1998. I still haven't seen every movie I'd like to, but if you at least start with every Marvel Superhero movie from 1998 to the present in release order, you're still going to have some insane timeline shenanigans, but you can also watch how the Superhero movie evolves and progresses. Blade, X-Men, Spider-Man, Hulk, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Ghostrider, Punisher, Iron Man and the rest of the MCU, all interspersed with whatever nonsense Sony and Fox started pushing out in between while they retained the rights. I get it, Chronological order is the best way to watch a number of things, but with how insane that X-Men timeline stuff is and if what it sounds like might happen in this Multiverse Saga comes to pass, it's best to be prepared for anything, and you watch anything older than 1998 if the opportunity presents itself.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I'm with you on release order for things like the X-men. It is so messed up that there is simply no good way to watch it. But I do fear that a release order watch for everything could make a new fan not get excited about the MCU, since many of the early films are not great. So for a rewatch, release order could work, but for a new fan, it seems that starting with the Sony films or the MCU itself might be better. Just my thoughts though. Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@droupscoup3541]

Hehe just caught a reference to my comment on why I don't watch Captain Marvel early. Nice.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep...I'm trying to incorporate all the great feedback people give and you do raise a good point on Captain Marvel being watched later in the viewing order. I can definitely see why people like to watch it further down the line. Always appreciate your insightful comments!

[@SiIIy_]

I feel like the spider man movies would be after Loki because I’m pretty sure the sacred timeline has to at least still have a similar story to the main mcu. Like how Classic Loki survived Thanos but then he lives alone on a planet not interacting with anyone. (Until he does and the TVA gets him)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it's a tough call on whether the sacred timeline included the Sony Spider-Man movie universes or not. I personally think they did exist at that point, but either way, I like watching them prior to Homecoming so we get an origin story before Homecoming. But I also see your point as well. In the end, I think each person should follow their personal preference on the watch order. Really no wrong answers in that regard. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@cedrickterrick]

Seriously, they could even bring the old George Lucas Howard the Duck, the old Fantastic Four, Ben Affleck Daredavil, Nic Cage Ghostrider as well into the multiverse. I'd really expect anything at this point. I mean even Star Wars crossovers wouldn't be too impossible actually...

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Nooooooooooooooooooo...Anything but Howard the Duck, the FF4 movie from the 90's (well, and the one from 2015) and the Affleck DD. Those must never be heard from again! But hey, Nick Cage's Ghost Rider I'm all for seeing again. He was fantastic in that role. But yeah, you are right, they may bring in so many cool cameos. Will be awesome to see what they have in store for us with Secret Wars! Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really do appreciate it!

[@cedrickterrick]

@@AbitofEverything4U I just watched the Howard the Duck movie a few months ago for the first time and I think it's a very hilarious curiousity.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ah, well, now that's good to hear. Okay, I may give Howard's movie a shot then. Thanks!

[@cedrickterrick]

@@AbitofEverything4U Definitly an "adult" movie but expectable.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I kinda figured that might be the case. Okay, now I just need to find it somewhere...might not be an easy task.

[@realjohnlove]

2:42 yep we’ve talked about that before

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, we have definitely talked about the creatives teams flying by the seat of their pants...and I fear we will be talking about it more in the future. It never seems to end. Sigh.

[@lschlickmkw]

I don't really have a problem with time travel re-writing history because it can be functionally the same as branching timelines. You go back in time, create an alternate history, and then the original timeline is erased by the TVA.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting point. In concept, I guess that if you jumped back in time and created a branch and then TVA wiped out the original timeline, it is effectively the same as re-writing history. However, my understanding of the reset charge is that once a timeline has hit the red line, you can't reset/prune the branch. So I don't think the TVA can destroy a branch that's existed for awhile. Thus, that idea likely wouldn't work. But that's just my understanding of how the reset charges work. I just like that we don't have to keep worrying that someone will jump back in time and re-write things over and over. The X-verse is a great example of why that can get so confusing. But just my opinion on that. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@Surfboarder4]

Man I need to get back to the fox movies.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

There were definitely some very good ones!

[@liamconnollyst]

Maybe some other content might fit into the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse since I do think some of it connects to each other

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback. Yes, I definitely agree that movies such as the Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, Blade, and a few others will likely get referenced in Secret Wars and perhaps even Deadpool for the F4. I focused on the X-men and Spider-man as they have been tied in so tightly with the MCU already. But, I'm really interested to see how the other movies get referenced and whether they move up to "required viewing" status. Thoughts on whether any of the cast of the original two F4 movies will appear in an MCU film? Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@BrySchec]

First (again lol) Also I'd watch them after Loki lol.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I do think that's a great choice. Loki opens that doorway to the multiverse, so why not dive in head first from there! Thx for watching the vid (and being first, for that matter)! Really appreciate it!

[@BrySchec]

@@AbitofEverything4U No problem! Love your content

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much!

[@AlienIOIandroktone]

For the X Men timeline. I think Wolverine Origins is just not canon to either branch of the timeline. Too many things don't work. I also don't think Deadpool 2 works, the First Class cast in present day and the time travel rules just mean it's better to be viewed as its own thing. Otherwise I think the branch idea works. The end is basically just jumping ahead to present day/ 2023. The only mechanical difference is that we a) don't follow the original timeline after (it kinda implies it ceases to exist as it's replaced, but we could just say that they all died after the Sentinels won, making it a moot point and not something the film follows), and that b) Logan's consciousness from timeline 1 returns to him after new-timeline-Logan lives his new life up until present day. That's not a mechanic that we've ever seen in the MCU time travel, though that's never been consciousness only. I'm gonna headcanon that Kitty Pryde or new-timeline-Xavier or a mix of both decided to reunlock (or program New-Logan's brain to later reunlock) that consciousness so that there was something from the old timeline that lived on. Otherwise I think it works as 2 branches of a variant universe. There's some stuff that happens between movies that we don't see, which we really should, like what happens after Mystique picking up Logan, or how Jean came back between 1992 to 2023. The ending does imply she's not actually dead with the flying star. You could pave over the hiccups with a few lines of dialogue unlike with X Men Origins. Otherwise I think the new timeline works, you've just got to pretend the new cast age 40 years in about a decade. I think you should view them either as just release order, or view Universe that released 1999 (X-Men), then Universe that released 2002 (Raimi), Universe that released 2008 (MCU), and maybe just pair the TASM universe with Raimi's as an epilogue of sorts.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great comments. Yes, you definitely have hit some of the difficulties of the X-verse. I am amazed that they made it so convoluted with such a small number of films. The MCU isn't perfect and has had to do a few retcons here and there, but the X-verse is just a hot mess if you try to make all the movies canon. My only concern with de-canonizing Wolverine: Origins is that it does attempt to tie in Wolverine's story directly into the original trilogy. Granted, it does a terrible job at it, but I think they did consider it canon at the time. But all that said, I think your ideas work well and do solve alot of issues. My guess is that Deadpool 2, unfortunately, will directly connect to DP3. I suspect DP keeps using that time device and that is what brings in Mobius and the TVA. So while I agree DP2 is a mess of continuity, it will likely be considered canon. Will be interesting to see what they do with DP3. Anyway, thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really enjoyed reading them!

[@BlueCubeSociety]

Back-to-the-Future-style-timelines overwrite their own future in the past, right (hence why it he *has* to bring his parents together so he himself would still exist)? and Endgame-style-timelines don't overwrite their future, but split into different branches, right? Weird idea: What if Back-to-the-Future-style-timelines are *also* part of the End-Game-style multiverse, but those are special "weak" branches that don't branch into different timelines, but instead loop into themselves. It's like a tree, where all timelines branch into different universes, but those BTTF-Timelines are more like leaves. But that wouldn't really explain why X-Men's BTTF-style timetravel branch would somehow change into a Endgame-style branch (so Wolverine can join the MCU). Maybe there's something (He who remains? Some spell?) that somehow can limit branches into their own loop and that broke now because of Loki/He who remains and now X-Men's branch is now not a loop anymore. But Deadpool's timetravel bit is also confusing. Maybe deadpool *did* travel into different branches (killing Ryan Reynolds there, without really killing him in his real branch; What branch is Deadpool anyway? He isn't part of 616 yet, right?) Does is make any sense or things just more confusing?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I like the brainstorming of ways to make the X-verse time travel work. And I hope Marvel is doing the same. I would really love it if when Mobius and the TVA show up in DP3 that they find a way to make it all work out. They may well pull in some of your ideas that Kang had something to do with the time travel working differently. Or perhaps they go the route that I'd personally like to see them do which is that it wasn't a back to the future style time travel but really was Endgame style branches that the characters just "thought" was a back to the future style travel. I mean, it's weird that Cable's teddy bear was the only thing impacted by his changes to the past. Wouldn't he have changed as well somehow? I mean there was no reason to invent that tech in the first place if his family never died. Ugh. I hate butterfly effect time travel. Hate it, hate it, hate it! Anyway hoping DP3 gives us some creative answers. Really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your theories. Enjoyed reading them all!

[@smelkus]

When Deadpool 3 eventually comes out I would like to watch Deadpool 2 just before it so it will be after Avengers infinity war and endgame that way Deadpools Thanos reference will make more sense

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, excellent point. I will definitely rewatch DP2 before DP3 as I suspect we will see some very close ties between the two movies. Can't wait for it to come out. Should be amazing! Thx so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really enjoyed reading it!

[@cameronbaker97]

I don't really think that Tobey and Andrew's Peters are from exactly 2024, given that the villains and even Eddie/Venom came from different years, it'd make sense that the other two Peters are from different years as well, probably somewhere else in the 2020s. nowadays, I actually think that most of the Fox X-Men movies are set in different timelines/universes, this would explain all the continuity errors in every movie, the continuity errors would indicate that it's in a different timeline/universe (I know this wasn't originally meant to be the case, but it would work within the MCU's Multiverse), like for example, characters looking different, characters not aging at all, other stuff like that in every movie. personally, I don't really like the Absolute Points thing, because with a Multiverse, not everything is going to be the same in every universe, like for example, sure, in a lot of universes, Peter Parker is Spider-Man (and he looks different, depending on the branch), but there are other universes where someone else becomes the Spider hero (or even villain) instead, like in the 2002 film, someone else could have been bitten by the Spider instead of Peter (like Harry Osborn, Mary Jane, Flash Thompson, anyone else on that field trip), and there would be universes in the MCU's Multiverse where this is the case, as well as other characters with different hero/villain mantles (heck, there's probably a universe where Doctor Strange is Iron Man, or Reed Richards is Doc Ock). this is cause with the MCU's Multiverse, with an infinite amount of universes, anything is possible, some people exist, some don't, some look different and/or were born in different times, others have different lives in each universe, different fates than their Variants, and anyone in any universe can have the same hero/villain mantle as other people in other universes (doesn't matter who they are honestly), practically making no one the original mantle barrier, cause this is how the MCU's Multiverse works, and I actually kinda like this way, it makes fan's ideas for any Variants of any character possible (I myself have a lot of Variant ideas for lots of different characters).

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent feedback! Yes, I agree, there's nothing to really determine when Tobey and Andrew came from their universes. I picked 2024 for convenience, but it really could be any point in time. And I definitely agree that the x-verse timeline is pretty crazy and it will be very interesting to see how they handle Deadpool 3 when the TVA shows up. It'll be wild. Your comments on infinite universes giving us all kinds of radically different variants is spot on and I hope that in Secret Wars that we get some really crazy variants. Gonna be alot of fun watching the Multiverse Saga unfold in the years to come. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. I enjoyed reading them all!

[@vapordreams983]

Imagine telling a Marvel fan in 2012 there's going to be a movie where Deadpool and Wolverine are getting to probably interact with Loki and other MCU characters.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? Crazy, isn't it. Can't wait for DP 3 to arrive!

[@user-sl3xv3wq6z]

It might be a bit of a dark thing, but since the villains are moved from the last moment before their death - what if Spider-Man Maguire and Garfield were also moved from the last moment before their death?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh my! I hope not. We need to see them again in Secret Wars, so they aren't allowed to die!

[@kikosawa]

I really think that the Sony timelines were implied to be incepted after Loki. I just don't see the relevance of Feige's explanation, if they weren't. He said "The events of Loki made [the arrival of Sony characters to the MCU] possible." He's not throwing in some revelation or explaining in detail something irrelevant, he's approving of our own expectations of what happened. And if what he really meant was "The events of Loki thinned the magical walls between realities and so on, and so forth." then it would just be fanfiction without a baseline provided by anything whatsoever, other then Feige's words. Cinema doesn't work like that.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Actually, I agree with you completely that Feige meant: "The events of Loki made [the arrival of Sony characters to the MCU] possible." But to me, that doesn't have to imply the Sony characters were created by the death of HWR but only that the arrival of the characters was made possible by the death of HWR. So it can either be that they were created by HWR's death or that HWR's death weakened the barriers between universes and made it possible for the botched spell to pull them in, but they had already been there before. I guess that's why I see both possibilities being viable. Just my take though. Always love your feedback on the vids. Thanks for watching and sharing what's on your mind!

[@kikosawa]

@@AbitofEverything4U thank you for providing topics to the discussion!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

And thank YOU for the always insightful feedback that challenges me to keep thinking things over and digging deeper!

[@maskerriz2616]

The way I process the X-Men timelines are in 2 parts (just view each part as a separate timeline) Part 1.1 - First Class Part 1.2 - Origins Part 1.3 - 1.5 - the OG trilogy Part 1.6 - The Wolverine Part 1.7 and 2.1 - Days Of Future Past (now if we assume that what Logan did in 1973 did actually create a new timeline, which is Part 2, then it still works... which I will explain) Part 2.2 - Apocalypse (the Wolverine we see released from Essex Corp is the same Wolverine in Days Of Future Past's 2023 ending, but because they used time travel of the mind instead of physical bodies, he didn't regain his memories of Part 1 until his Part 1 self had died in Part 1's 2023) Part 2.3 - Dark Phoenix (they actually hint that Jean is still alive at the end but not many people notice it or even knew it, which is how she can still show up in Part 2's 2023 at the end of Days Of Future Past) Part 2.4 - Deadpool (I chalk all his timeline mocking and 4th wall breaks up to his insanity) Part 2.5 - a very certain Deadpool 2 trailer/short called "No Good Deed". I include this here because it shows a movie called "Logan", possibly an in-universe biopic or just a movie based on the X-Men, being played in theaters. This is why in Deadpool 2, Wade could be trying to unalive himself due to Logan's death, which doesnt occur until 2029, because he died in the movie and due to Wade's insanity he "overreacts" to the character's death... its the only way I can explain Deadpool 2 rn 😂 Part 2.6 - Deadpool 2 (with the time travel stuff in this, I just chalk it up to multiple branch timelines being created in the chaos of the multiverse... which is probably why Mobius from the TVA is reportedly stepping in in Deadpool 3... also in my mind Cable's son's teddy bear didn't actually change, I tell myself that's a lie Deadpool tells himself and other people to spruce up the insane 4th wall breaking movie that is his life) Part 2.7 - The New Mutants (if you want to include it 😂 which must occur in 2020, because we learn in Logan that no known mutants have been born since 2004 and the oldest mutant in The New Mutants is 16 if I remember correctly) Finally... Part 2.8 - the masterpiece Logan to end the very confusing X-Men timelines until Deadpool 3 releases and we have to see how that fits into everything PS... due to the she-hulk reference I have to quickly mention that I head canonize that by saying after Jen got her powers she obviously became a superstar superhero lawyer... so I view the She-Hulk show as an in-universe origin of She-Hulk, an actual show that aired inside the MCU

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love that viewing order. Thanks for sharing it. Enjoyed reading it all!!

[@nicksorenson940]

While nothing's been confirmed yet I would be curious to know where you think Ang Lee's 2003 Hulk would take place in relation to the MCU timeline and that of the Sony and Fox movies. Obviously a lot of people have noted how 2008's Incredible Hulk still feels like it carries over from where the 2003 movie left off despite being intended as a reboot, so it's likely they would still place it before that movie and Iron Man. I guess then it would just be a question of where it fits alongside Sony's Spider-Man and Fox's X-Men.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I do think that when Incredible Hulk came out in 2008, there was a definite attempt to connect the 2003 and 2008 movies together, since both were made by Universal. It seems the MCU has decided not to make that movie canon to the main 616 universe, but I could still argue that it fits in and that if Marvel decided to call it 616 canon, then it would fit w/o much issue. As for it being canon to the mulitiverse, however, that is a definite yes. And so it could be considered as part of an entire MCU rewatch in that regard. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your theories. Really appreciate it!

[@nicksorenson940]

@@AbitofEverything4U No problem. You seem to be pretty good at figuring this multiverse stuff out. I suppose the one major thing that doesn't completely line up with the MCU is the way in which Bruce becomes The Hulk. I had actually tried re-watching the 2003 movie before the first Avengers to see how well they could fit together and found that once you get to the scene with Cap reading about Bruce becoming The Hulk in an attempt to recreate the Super Soldier Serum, while in the 2003 movie he was working in nanomeds research, that the two movies just seemed to contradict from there. As far as whether or not they make it official in showing Ang Lee's Hulk to be part of the MCU's multiverse will depend on whether or not they can convince Eric Bana to reprise the role again, which he seems disinterested in based on the interviews I've heard about. Of course Ang Lee himself did a lot of the mo-cap for Hulk in his movie so now they would probably just want to have Bana doing it the same as with Mark Ruffalo. Whether or not we do get to see 2003 Hulk again it should be safe to assume by this point that the movie's going to exist in the MCU's vast multiverse regardless.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Right...I think you nailed it on that last point. The movie is certainly a "what if?" type story, if nothing else. But it would be very cool to see that version of the Hulk in Secret Wars to tie them all together via the multiverse. I think it is unlikely Feige will pull in the 2003 version into 616 continuity and that item you mention about his origin is a great example of the potential issues. Nice catch!

[@reputationselinasversion1606]

Can you make a video compiling all the recasts and actors who have played multiple characters in the mcu like Sersi and star lords mom

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a fun idea. Yes, I'll add that to my list. Excellent suggestion!

[@zoomkilla6132]

Love the video!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@serpentlord1312]

If we go by Disney Plus timeline logic then for The Amazing Spider-Man 2 you would actually want to watch that immediately after the first movie since the second (not including the flashback scene) opens with Peter and Gwen graduating which would place it in October of 2013 (I’m just assuming that’s the normal month everyone graduates in because it was like that for me but anyway) then after they brake up the movie skips over one year into 2014 and after Gwen dies five months have gone by and considering one of the flash forward scenes has Peter visiting her grave in the snow then we can say the movie end in early 2015 but yeah and then for the Venom and Morbius films being set in between Infinity War and Endgame again Disney Plus timeline logic you would watch Endgame immediately after Infinity War since the opening is set one month after Infinity War so yeah.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent points in regard to how the D+ timeline places T:TDW right after Avengers, which has always seemed abit strange, even if it is technically correct. I went more by when the main part of the movies occur for this video, but you are correct that several of the movies do start up right after the previous ones and so the watch order has a few different interpretations, based on how you would want approach the beginning of the movies vs. the majority of the movies. Great observations as always!