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The one major complain I have with my Tesla is it does not deliver on its advertised range so I tested it against a Kia Hybrid to see if it got similar efficiency in the same conditions.
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[@Gjeebs]

Here is what it cost for both of these cars to cover 203 miles: Kia - $20.39 (5.098 gallons of gas @ $3.999/Gallon) Tesla - $8.97 (Home charging $.14/kWh) OR $13.46 (Superchargers cost at the time I charged) BUT if you charge during peak hours which is like 11am-3pm the cost at these superchargers is $.50 so this would have cost $32.07 Don't forget the cost of gas can fluctuate as well but these were the costs the day I shot this video.

[@Newie-sb6lf]

Sorry, mate, why are we so fixed on highway range? Now all EPA or WLTP or even gasoline cars ranges are based on mixed city and highway speed. So, now try driving around town or the city centre for 6-8hrs at 25-40mi/hr speed limit and see what a Kia gasoline car gets?! Guess what, I have tried this at work this week for a couple days in an EV and we are getting more than 320mi as we are stop/starting going to more than 20 sites. I did this before in a gasoline car and get about half the advertised range.

[@bitkahuna]

@@Newie-sb6lf i guess the city/highway diff is about air resistance, meaning city driving is basically negligible, hence better range?

[@turg77]

So, the Kia really only got 39.82 MPG, not the gauge estimate of 45.6, which is a 15 percent difference.

[@lgadams1]

You are testing your interpretation of mileage estimate. Not informative.

[@manz7860]

Also have to consider the TIME invested. Filling up an ICE takes 10 minutes tops. Model y long range takes like an hour to charge 100% much much longer if you're at home

[@marcconnery]

Quick story - I had an older Friend complaining about EV's ranges. He said he wouldn't buy an EV unless he could drive 5 hours without stopping. I said " with your prostate, you can't drive 2 hours without stopping" 😋

[@caljeff2427]

jokes on u, he has a pee bottle

[@shou635]

@@caljeff2427oh fun!

[@JT-ng6nq]

best story this year, period.

[@marcconnery]

@@caljeff2427 That explains the smell in his car!!

[@edgarestrada1146]

This would be funny if there was an EV charger at every gas station but there isnt.

[@Jolly-Green-Steve]

6:15 Yeah the EPA range is for 55 mph not 80mph. On an electric bicycle it take 5kws to go 55 mph and it takes 15kws to go 80 mph. that is 3x more electricity usage.

[@michaeltan9512]

Your Tesla probably won’t able to reach the EPA rating even you are driving at 55 mph unless it’s a downhill road

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

@@michaeltan9512 EPA ranges are based on actual testing. Of course the Tesla will get EPA range on EPA tests!!! How about when I drive my mother-in-law's KIA Sorrento and I use half the tank to go just over 7 miles, in 1.5 hrs of slow ass city driving? Does that match EPA range for the KIA Sorrento? A Tesla would get 1000 miles under those conditions! EPA combined range includes city driving where Tesla is super efficient! EPA range includes all the range you get until the car stops and Tesla goes further after the estimate says 0 miles than other EVs... Extra efficiency in city driving is great, but makes the "Combined" range higher which makes it less like highway driving tests. Bigger buffer below 0 estimate is great to keep customers from actually running out of energy away from a charger, but it makes the EPA range seem too high... Tesla doing the right thing, can seem bad if we do not think about why or how...

[@Jolly-Green-Steve]

@@michaeltan9512 tell this guy to do a road test and let's see. electric usage ramps up like crazy above 45 mph on a bicycle so I'm guessing it's similar.

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

@@michaeltan9512 sooo dam true !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sooocheesy]

Yeah, but what did the Energy usage screen say? It's pretty good about telling you where your loses are. I regularly hit my rated range on my Model 3, especially when travelling on a highway where you don't have to stop/start a lot.

[@jayhoughton558]

Same!! In the summer I hit over or close to EPA rated range all summer long in my LFP model 3. The energy usage (consumption tab) is something that everyone seems to miss. It is far more accurate (if driving factors stay the same). All these videos out these past few days seem to completely miss this information.

[@user-sj5ju4jb7t]

@@jayhoughton558 it’s already been revealed through Reuters and a tesla insider what was suspected. Tesla purposely falsified range estimates in software to market the cars as having higher range figures. Lawsuits will surely follow.

[@ericbryant796]

@@jayhoughton558 Please explain. I assume the energy tab will tell you the AC is using a lot of juice...so what do you do? Turn it off and sweat in 90* temps? Don't listen to music? No wonder so many Tesla's I see on the highway are traveling so slow. I don't see them running 80 like us ICE owners do.

[@sooocheesy]

@ericbryant796 It's been 90-95 degrees all summer and I'm still getting the estimated range when I'm on the highway @ 75-80mph. I'm sure range is worse at 110 degrees by a bit, but I'm guessing his tires or something else is causing most of the loss of range.

[@ericbryant796]

@@sooocheesy Which is what? HWY range is not posted by EPA so unless you own one its a guess. From what I found after renting a LR Y for a week in S. FL is the highway range is probably not much more than 200 miles at best. Also it cost the equivalent of a 30 mpg car to operate using the Tesla Superchargers to charge. I loved the vehicle and was a blast to drive, but if traveling long distance you either need to be retired or better yet, just fly.

[@FeatureRequest]

Isnt the issue the EPA estimate? Tesla doesnt actually say this is what Tesla does. Tesla ONLY says what the EPA tested range is.

[@gustavgyll3291]

Yes, and in Europe it’s WLTP that’s even more generous then the EPA. But in Europe this isn’t an issue, because everyone know that WLTP is tested in a lab and people know that many factors will effect your range. By the way, on B-roads in Europe you definitely can get a tesla to WLTP range estimates.

[@Gjeebs]

I am going to do this same test with other electric vehicles soon. Do you feel this was a fair test?

[@anpatsalos]

Expose them all for the overinflated EPA ranges

[@evilkokonut]

Try the models that use conservative epa range numbers like the Taycan.

[@Abevlife]

Please do model y vs Kia ev6 (not gt)

[@EVMANVSGAS]

No, I love your videos but this what not a fair test. EV v EV. We all know that no EV's are rated at 75-80mph. If you ran the EPA standard testing the way they do, I'm sure you would get about they they say it will. Compare to F-150 lightning, that luxury Mercedes you had, or even that Nissan EV you just tested vs what they are EPA rated at.

[@pjones4537]

This is practical and timely info. Much appreciated. Until Tesla can deliver true 300+ mile range consistently under real-world use conditions, I’m waiting to buy. Love the channel. Sub’d.

[@ParvTubeHD]

ETA should do 3 different types of estimates, first for the highest possible range for a car and the second being the worst possible efficiency for a car so you can see what range is guaranteed at least, third should be for highway speeds

[@DerEchteBabo]

Worst wouldn't mean much because they would all be ridiculously low

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

I can beat WLTP every day if i want to, EPA range estimates are a childs play. It just makes no FUN beating them.

[@cody4516]

EPA should just do a highway and city range, they have highway and city MPG for gas cars already, why one range number for EVs when the range fluctuates much more than a gas cars MPG does? Makes no sense, We need two epa ranges, highway and city

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@cody4516 I trust people who have made such a test - in the US on flat roads 70 mph in each direction, in Europe on not so flat roads 1000km challenge and report their findings. I do not trust institutions to have MY PERSONAL INTERESTS in mind. But i trust Tesla Björn in Norway. Its in HIS interest to do it right.

[@steveallen1055]

I have a 2021 Model Y LR with 40,000 miles. My average energy used shows to be 248 Watts per mile. With a usable battery capacity of 75 kW (per info I found) That works out to 300 mile range. If I stopped driving 75-80 on the freeways without auto temperature selected and used the chill mode or otherwise did not enjoy the car, I would get better range.

[@frankcoffey]

I never trust range estimate in an electric car or a gas car! Do you ever put just enough gas in a gas car to get where you're going? No, you fill up in case something happens. Same thing in the Tesla. If it says "You have enough charge to continue your trip" I sit there and continue to charge until I get to a level I feel comfortable with.

[@gensao]

Indeed. My 2014 Prius PHEV has an EPA range of 540 miles. On I-5 I get a little over 300 miles before the fuel warning light comes on.

[@Teddy_M85]

I disagree, gas cars are way more accurate and we all know gas stations are plentiful. The problem is the expectation Tesla is setting with new EV buyers that are not educated on the subject. A simple disclaimer or video explaining EPA range calculation would be ideal. Some new drivers will not know the difference btw the energy app and the EPA range on the main screen.

[@w4rg3rm]

Facts.

[@frescosmalls]

This comment kinda misses the point though. Tesla’s estimates are over 300mi range and yet most people I’ve seen say the car only gets around 200-240mi. That’s a pretty significant difference, and the point of giving a realistic estimate is so that customers can set expectations.

[@doankhoa83]

@@frescosmallsnot Tesla, it’s EPA estimates. I get EPA estimates on my MYP with mix city and highway everyday. Learn to drive !

[@cbrock66]

We had a Kia hybrid for a few years. The trip computer said we were getting the epa mpg range or better but we never really paid much attention to it cause there were gas stations everywhere. Then on a long trip to Florida stuff didn’t match up so I did the old fashion way of checking mpg by filling it up, driving, and filling it back up. Kia computer 44 mpg - real mpg 28. Not anywhere close. So we did it for a couple of months. Wife hated going to the gas station cause I had my little notebook. The computer averaged 75% less than what it said. We actually received a check from Kia because the stated mpg was not what we were getting. All that to say, the Kia probably did close to the epa or at least better than the Tesla but I bet it didn’t get the mpg it was telling you.

[@darkhorse2reign]

What was the amount of the check?

[@cbrock66]

@@darkhorse2reign We got $300. That was Kia’s “estimate” based off the extra gas we spent.

[@Newie-sb6lf]

@cbrock66 So, moral of the story is to pay your customers or media to not bag the truth about the EPA advertised range.

[@cbrock66]

@@Newie-sb6lf Not exactly. The moral is the trip estimate on any car is just that an estimate. My wife’s Cadillac and my son’s Chrysler computers never show the correct MPG if you check against the gas you actually put in it. Our Kia was part of a group that they had created a different one for testing than the one sold to the public. No matter the driving style you would never get the EPA range. Tesla if you follow the stupid EPA test, which is not real driving for most normal people, you will get the range the EPA claims.

[@Trust_but_Verify]

My friend with his new Model Y was saying one stretch of highway the Tesla was estimating 1% power to be used when he expected 10%, turns out Tesla estimator was right because it knew the stretch of road was downhill thus it used little power. It factors in elevation of the trip.

[@rich8669]

The range remaining in the energy graph should be the number on top. The EPA number has zero use to the driver.

[@Gjeebs]

yep

[@ontheboat8444]

This. Agree 100%. Specially for new owners. The first thing you look at is that number. You aren't going to the graph all the time to see how much range you have left.

[@norabelrose198]

I'm not sure I actually agree; arguably for the battery meter you want a consistent unit whereas the actual estimated range for the current trip or whatever is not going to be consistent across drives etc.

[@chadolof]

Great video Ben!! I know of many people that drive up from Tucson to Phoenix weekly so that was an awesome real life scenario test

[@BrianNedry]

Pretty much, my best and closest to EPA estimates drives are when I'm not running AC or heat but that isn't plausible most times especially on cold days or hot days , especially with wife and kids in the car. The HVAC uses a lot of juice/range.

[@LongShadow12]

Couldn't agree more. The EPA should set the range based on 70MPH on the highway. 330 miles only happens downhill.

[@TheRMF1]

This is the issue I have with elons “no one need 500mi+” attitude. A 500mi EV probably would get somewhere around 380-400 or so. They need to not put so much stake in epa estimates.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

EPA has three numbers: City, Highway, and Combined... Everyone complains about the "Combined", but everyone could look at the "highway" or "city" numbers instead... Tesla happens to get extra good "city" efficiency, so the "combined" is further removed from the "highway" range than other EVs where the "city" efficiency is not as great...

[@JT-ng6nq]

but aren't our deltas from real to advertised ranges, similar in % to ICE owner's? probably worse, right?

[@TB-up4xi]

The EPA range on my model 3 is 272mi (439km). I get 270mi+ at 70mph on long freeway trips all day long. I get 330mi (530km) mixed city/freeway all conditions. My lifetime average is 305mi (491km) all conditions over 7800km. I have physically driven over 300mi on a single charge. I don't hyper-mile. Getting good efficiency is related to how you drive and climate. I'm not the only one getting these numbers. i.imgur.com/vPQiKlV.jpg Just to add this is not all going downhill i.imgur.com/76Q1HZP.jpg I can't drive downhill everywhere.

[@davegenet]

Living in AZ I really wish Tesla had the retractable sunshade like basically every other car with a glass roof has versus having to buy some aftermarket thing. Even visiting here in Colorado my rental has one which I find useful even though it is cooler here. For me, if I’m going to spend $50K on a car things like that I expect. I don’t have a Tesla but I do like their cars overall. I appreciate Gjeebs unbiased reviews.

[@Trust_but_Verify]

Is there some sunroof film that can be used w/o completely blocking off the roof?

[@Sam-gs7yb]

Good job Gjeebs no sugar coating or kissing Tesla behind for that I’m subscribing

[@Gjeebs]

This is a sugar free channel

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

EXACTLY !! people need to STOP HUGGIN ELONS NUTS

[@rogerf9613]

Thanks for documenting this. Have the same car as you. When people ask me what the real range is, I usually say it’s about 70% of what’s officially reported.

[@YoMumzinnit]

Sounds like a SCAM

[@TB-up4xi]

I have 113% of my EPA stated range over the lifetime of my car (7800km / 4850mi) 2023 RWD LFP. No hypermiling.

[@lidam]

@@TB-up4xiI don’t think it’s true

[@melvinester4431]

Thanks for the vid. I drove yesterday 430 kmtrs from 100% to 1%. Not bad despite the fact the MY Rwd indicated at 100% battery only 389kmtrs. At 0% battery the car still had 7,5kw left so theoretically I can drive at least 470kmts = 293 miles

[@laurabodycombe7998]

Gjeebs, I’m with you on this. I was shocked watching your video when you drove from the charger outside of Tulsa to Whetherford, OK. It’s not that far but you were almost down to 0 when you got there. My almost 3 year old Model Y is dropping range also. Our last road trip from Albuquerque to Denver got a little dicey but not as bad as yours. And it’s not like we skipped any chargers. Just the distances out here are large.

[@darkhorse2reign]

I've lived in parts of West Texas and traveled extensively thru New Mexico and the surrounding area in ICE vehicles using my gas (hybrid) cars, my diesel pickup or semi trucks. Zero experience with my 2023 MY LR traveling long distances in the west but I'm about to take a trip from central Texas past Denver. On the map I can see that if I have a big headwind, I would be really smart to slow tf down and do 55 MPH vs the posted speed limit.

[@laurabodycombe7998]

@@darkhorse2reign Are you heading into New Mexico and then going north on Interstate 25 to Denver? If yes, Tesla installed a new charging station in Albuquerque that is nice.

[@darkhorse2reign]

@laurabodycombe7998 // No. Much further east than that.

[@trooper_f30]

Curious your opinion on the temp on the ac when I drive longer distances my car says consider setting temp to 72 to save range I no the energy page

[@BlakeCheck]

Great idea for a video. Very relevant. I kinda wish you’d compared the efficiency between your model y and another electric suv though.

[@Gjeebs]

That's coming

[@Adventures_with_nick]

I’m so glad the audio went out, your dub was epic 😂

[@rkgsd]

Is the length of that TParts spoiler a little shorter than OEM or are the ends just more stubby and less pointy for better surface area adhesion?

[@josephvcenzoprano7528]

This week I just got 230 Wh/mi from 80% to 15% covering 177mi using 41KWh in mixed City/Hwy. That scales to 338 for my ‘23 MYLR so 🤷🏼. Keep your foot off it and use AP set at 65mph.

[@anthonyromano1906]

This has been my experience as well and I'm in central florida heat... it's about the driver not the car!

[@marklefler4007]

use this formula: real range = rated range (65 *65) / (speed *speed) - 0.1. Speed is the speed you are driving. SO if you drive at 75 mph, expect a 25% range drop due to increased air drag, and a 10% drop in range due to the battery after about 1 year (typical 1 year loss, then it holds more steady for 100K more miles). And gas cars also do the same thing as well. Air drag is proportional to velocity squared, so it gets bit very fast.

[@TheDrivenDave]

Great comparison. I’m shocked how much juice my model 3 has gone through in the heat in Vegas. Range estimates are WAY off. Still love my car, but I wish the estimates had been more realistic up front. (I love my Vion shade too!) Hope to meet you sometime at an event. Just did the Tesla Takeover and need to edit my footage from that. Fun times! Thanks for the video!

[@LuKiSCraft]

I think comparing to a Hybrid isn't really apples-to-apples, but yes I certainly agree you don't get the advertised range. I usually get ~250mi on my Model Y LR, when speeding. But I don't live in Phoenix where it is 105F LOL

[@darkhorse2reign]

105F in the Southwest is cold. Here in Austin, we've been well over 105F for a month now.

[@robinmusica]

It doesn't matter. At least Gas vehicles don't have to deal with vampire drain 😂😂😂 gas still king

[@LuKiSCraft]

@@robinmusica ya I mean it's only a couple % per night (similar to your phone or laptop when you don't touch it). It is the iPhone of cars. Not for everyone right now but just wait 10 years lol

[@salty8852]

The lip sync was way off at the end! Hahahhah nice video.

[@smoothoperator1663]

I just realized I’m not saving anything with my Tesla when my monthly insurance for full coverage is about 400$ trading in for a civic net month!

[@superset5]

you're missing the point when you complain about insurance costs

[@thewolfdoctor761]

$400 a month ? Are you accident prone ?

[@dutchschultz4493]

Just wanna say if your windshield isn't tinted, that has helped me tremendously in the summer heat here in NY. 50% 3m crystalline is what my guy used. Its like wearing polarized Oakley's during the day and almost non existent at night.

[@Gjeebs]

Yep I have 50% o the windshield and that does help a lot

[@Truthfulshortsandclips]

Really nice video I come from hybrids and currently got a ioniq 5 limited, this also has the range issue and it gets around 80% of its range in hot temps even less if you are flooring it. I think it has to do with current battery technology. As much as we don’t want to say but ev are just starting to improve their technology and to be honest the battery technology is not the best even in a Tesla. Time will tell I hope the battery technology gets better over time. However I still enjoy driving my i5 even tho it has limited range but I also have a 2023 Prius just in case I do need that more reliable range figures. Great video.

[@Adventures_with_nick]

I have the model Y performance with 18” wheels and I’ve actually been able to get it as low as 220 wh/mile 340 miles of range in mixed 65, 55 and 45 mile per hour conditions. Yes, I can beat EPA estimates in ideal conditions as long as I don’t exceed 65 mph, why? Because EPA estimates are for combined city and highway

[@sooocheesy]

Whenever someone says their rang is trash, there's some other variable in play like bad rolling resistance tires, excessive heat/cold, lots of stop lights, hard acceleration, etc.. I've had two Model 3's [LR and Performance] and under normal highway driving @ 70-80mph I get nearly exactly the rated range. I get about 80% of rated on city streets.

[@cpreid]

You guys are lying through your teeth. This simply isn’t true. I flat out don’t believe you (1.5 yrs of Model Y ownership here).

[@Adventures_with_nick]

@@cpreid but I also switched to 18” wheels that’s the secret. Lighter wheels require less energy

[@Adventures_with_nick]

@@sooocheesy ease into acceleration and off acceleration, don’t use your brakes. AC, heating, wind speed, elevation, tire pressure, air temperature, tire rolling resistance, tire weight, road surface, and probably more I can’t think of right now effect range so easily because EVs are so efficient (something like 2 gallons of gas per full charge)

[@Adventures_with_nick]

@@cpreid I literally aspire my life for the truth and reject spreading misinformation with ever ounce of my being lol

[@manz7860]

Does your model y have an annoying glitch where it unsaves your favorited radio stations?

[@robertt1336]

Agreed. It’s misleading of tesla to go with rosy numbers, when people are basing range estimates advertised on interstate speeds and epa is much more generous than that. I’m reconsidering trading in my id4 awd which is seemingly right in line w real work range

[@JuozasMikaila]

Last September we, my wife and our Lab, took a trip from Troy Michigan to Grind Stone City located in Michigan's Thumb. The was weather was ideal, no wind and 7o F. I used FSD and drove at the posted 55 MPH speed limit. We started with 90% and finished with 16% battery life. This extrapolates to 335 mile full battery range.

[@mt2nv1]

EPA range test is 20 mpg avg city and 50 mph avg highway. Look into it. I learned this 20 years ago in a Popular Mechanics magazine. People don’t have the same driving habits.

[@banaji]

@gjeebs - I have a 2023 MYLR and I get really strong range because I live in a place not as hot as Arizona. At 80-85F, if I drive consistently below 70 mph, I can get 95% efficiency and at 80mph, 85% efficiency. Car has only been driven 5000 miles so battery deg is also very minimal so that helps

[@chrishaberbosch1029]

Have Bjorn Nyland as an expert witness. He’s been doing the best EV range tests on all makes and variants for many years. The data is all there to see.

[@lucidf8]

I can feel the heat through the roof in my 2022 Tesla Model Y LR, though it’s never uncomfortable. My A/C seems to always deal with the heat of mid 90’s temperatures. In SoCal, I don’t encounter 100’s often, it would be nice to test that out. I’ve never charged to 100%, or used a Supercharger. I think on a trip, I wouldn’t go beyond 90% unless it was critically necessary. I think I can safely get 280 miles, though I should try a test! I drive a loop of 100 miles pretty often, and it uses about 35% of the battery. 300 miles would be a stretch.

[@user-sj5ju4jb7t]

I drove a new model y and with temps at 75-80f on a bright and sunny day, the ac was completely incapable of cooling the vehicle. I had it set to as low as it could go which appeared to chew through battery. But again, even on a not so hot day I was very uncomfortable driving that car. Post a video on your channel and place a temperature monitor in the car. I’d love to see the temps you claim to get at 90+ degrees.

[@thomassullivan3365]

@@user-sj5ju4jb7t I installed a really good shade in MY LR before summer. S Fl has been getting 90+ with a feel like of 105-110 until it rains. The shade is crazy good at killing the heat. The car in the parking lot shows 130-140 inside temp. I turn the AC a few minutes before I walk out and the car is close to 70. The shade opens and the metal closer bars get so hot they will almost burn you. The shade itself is very cool to the touch. It cost almost $500, $449 with a code, but I am very happy I did it before summer. Gjeebs reviewed it a while back in a video. They now have a $600 electric unit. I think the best thing is you can open it front or back or both and keep it closed on hot days, or open at night. I'm not a big fan of the pano roof or sunroofs for that matter. Every recent car I owned in S FL came with a sunroof. I opened one of them of a fall vacation up north, otherwise, none of them were opened in FL. The AC is always on! You can also get tinting, and Epel HR Film on the Roof inside. It's pricey, but the HR version has a 98% heat rejection. I put that on the front window shield (not legal), side and back hatch glass. That also helps a bunch. The lightest to the darkest allowed offers the heat rejection.

[@brianmoss9399]

That McConnell gag 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lplt]

316 miles range is EPA. which includes 55% city driving which boosts the range back to those EPA numbers

[@shou635]

Engineering explained did a good video on this a couple years ago. Just a different testing method allowed by EPA.

[@jonfscott]

Common I have consistently beat the range in my Model 3 Lt. Though I do drive the speed.. limit, drive on chill. Regardless your estimates are wrong for one important reason. The EPA range includes the emergency buffer. The amount below zero which is about 30+ miles.

[@gustavgyll3291]

You are absolutely correct! And it’s the same for every car out there. I drove my previous car, a Porsche panamera, on autobahn in 270 km/h and I only got about 150 miles from my 80 liter petroltank. And I have driven my previous tesla, Model 3 P on autobahn in 160-200 km/h and I got about 150-180 miles.

[@rogerborgeryd1897]

Nice vid! Q: Were you comparing the KIAs estimated Highway range with the Teslas estimated Highway range? I saw the KIAs HGW* but didn't quite catch what number you were using when projecting the Teslas range? Nice efficient cars those Koreans even though I prefer my Tesla over my Hyundai Ioniq any day!

[@alittleofthisnthat5665]

🤔...good video, I own Model y long range also and this has been my issue. Even from day 1 going on a long distance trip could not come anywhere near even 300 miles. You pay a premium for the range that you never get and Tesla knows that they have been deceptive with their posted range on their website

[@cpreid]

Precisely

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

EPA has three numbers, City, Highway, and combined... For highway driving, the highway figure will be closer to reality. Tesla is super efficient at slower speeds and stop and go traffic, so the combined EPA range is influenced more positively than with other EVs where the city efficiency is not as great... Plus, Tesla has a bigger buffer at the bottom, when the car tells you that you are out of energy, you can go further than most EVs before actually running out. EPA has a certain test cycle and a method for getting the combined that all cars use. It helps to compare one car to another, but is not supposed to tell you how much range you will get, because that depends on how you drive...

[@mowcowbell]

Great video, thanks for posting. You might want to check the mic volume on your DJI set... it is a bit too low compared to the background music.

[@rkgsd]

Class-action lawsuit against Tesla filed in California for exactly this issue. Considering California has the highest amount of EV owners, that's very telling.

[@flynnaz]

I live in Tucson, I know this drive very well. Good information. Thank you

[@RozeAbove]

Are you experiencing all that excess heat with ceramic tint on the roof? I'm in Florida, and it's super hot here as well and oh so sunny... but with my roof tinted at 50% with 3M Ceramic IR film (which I have all around in varying percentages, including 50% 3M Crystalline on the windshield) my car stays nice and cool set to 70 degrees on Auto and Medium fan speed. On really hot days if I'm already out and not coming from my cool garage, I'll lower it to 68 and that's fine.

[@paulgilbert2506]

The tint definitely helps with the IR light. But the fact is, even if you wrap it to keep ALL light from coming through the roof, the sun is going to heat up the glass and you will have a piece of hot glass inches above your head radiating heat down on your head. Why car companies love putting glass roofs on their cars I will never understand.

[@austinpowers1999]

Bought a new CRV and Corolla and mpg were about 40% less than advertised.

[@Sam-gs7yb]

Time to trade them in for a Tesla I hear and see great things 😂😂

[@cpreid]

Were you filling it w Gatorade wtf

[@BrianNedry]

Lol, sure buddy whatever you say, I smell bull manure. 40% ? Your lie might have worked if it was more realistic.

[@nickhummer5775]

We def don’t use the word air con in the USA

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

EPA regulates how the range numbers get advertised... Tesla is not allowed to do anything different. Blame the EPA!!! 1. Tesla has a bigger buffer below 0% than most EVs and EPA range is measured until the car is actually out of juice. 2. The Combined EPA range is a mix of highway and city driving and since Tesla is super efficient at the city drive cycle, the combined number will be further from highway speed range than with other EVs that are less efficient in city type driving... Both points are positive for Tesla customers: better city efficiency, and less likelihood of actually running out of electrons when looking at range left. Both points contribute to the problem as you see it...

[@Kryoxys]

I'm pretty sure newer Model Y's have better heat rejection in the glass roof. I just got my '23 MYP 3 weeks ago and haven't noticed any heat issues being in the sun, even on sunny hot & humid days.

[@kiddx6087]

Do you think spoiler does anything for range?

[@usckid2004]

Thank you for testing and all of your vids, of course. Nice to see and hear likes and dislikes about the car-it’s refreshing actually. Keep the great content coming. Sub’d

[@itgoesfast2722]

I needed to cover my glass roof even in the Pacific Northwest. That glass roof should have had a shade from the factory. It’s very presumptuous everyone wants to bake like a ham in the summer. Horrible design!!!

[@user-sj5ju4jb7t]

It’s to save money. Same reason there isn’t a dash or buttons. It’s all to boost margin.

[@charliewilliams1474]

I have a Ford Escape Awd Hybrid.range per tank is 580 and always get with in 10 miles of advertised range.

[@theorozcos]

The car seat in the back prevented more range, jk lol 😂

[@TheMjoelner]

Set the AC to recirculation when it’s hot outside. You’ll get better efficiency.

[@yuppystick]

Look at one of my favorite KZbinrs making that money. Congrats on all the subscribers and views good Sir. It's been too long since I've seen one of your videos. I missed you 😏

[@phwkent2265]

You should do a video to educate charge etiquette at Tesla Superchargers. I’m pulling a trailer with my X from Shelbyville Indiana to Grand Island NE. At every supercharger there has been a car charging in the pull in stall that’s not pulling anything forcing me to disconnect my trailer or block stalls. All other stalls have been open but there’s always someone in that pull in stall. I feel like Tesla needs to educate or have signs for people to know what those stalls are for.

[@JT-ng6nq]

and the basis of the 70% degradation score within the warranty...anyone clear on the numbers that is based on?

[@alexs2279]

For some reason your discount code for the Spoiler isnt working.

[@gretarorri]

I own a Tesla Model 3 LR and I totally agree. Why can’t the estimated range be better in electric cars, the EPA and WLTP range standards are measured during optimal conditions that no-one will drive in. It would be really beneficial to have some kind of an average real time range that would be more representative of the actual range of an EV. Too bad you didn’t have the DJI Mic internal recording going there, that should’ve helped with your audio issue.

[@TB-up4xi]

I disagree - I'm not nearly at optimal conditions, I have and average of 113% of my EPA range over the lifetime of my car. In good conditions I get 135% of my EPA range. I definitely do not hyper-mile. This average is in all conditions (-5C /23F mornings, 1200ft daily elevation rise fall, wind, rain, 50% freeway (70mph) / 50% city etc.) i.imgur.com/vPQiKlV.jpg

[@ronsexton3685]

Very true. Why is the EPA range so off on EVs? It's just crazy. That is the one thing I would like on my MYP is range. And a cover for the glass, or, gasp, an option to lower the price and do without the overhead glass, would be great!

[@Gjeebs]

agree you should be able to order it with a painted roof

[@Daniel_Capital]

Because the range is estimated from an algorithm that Tesla maliciously makes to over rate the range. Former Tesla employees have said this, then when the car goes below 50% range, it then gives the actual range so you don't get stuck

[@bwmanarific]

EPA numbers are through their own test which I think drive the car at less than 60mph. Very lenient test thats why. Better way to calculate range is showing the remaining kwh in the battery and the efficiency (miles per kw) at speed and outside air temperature and i bet it will be pretty accurate

[@gabem8119]

@@Gjeebswhen I first ordered my 3 I thought you could get a non glass roof. I was bummed when I found out I couldn’t get it but I like the glass roof. I’m on the east coast and it can get pretty hot here. I got a mesh sunshade that works pretty well but can still feel the heat. I finally put the sunshades it came with to block the sun out more. Just my luck temps have cooled down some here so now waiting for it to get hotter to test it out. One thing I’ve noticed, even with tinted windows and the windshield shade on and windows vented the A/C turns on to cool the inside. I wish the app allowed you to vent the windows halfway, I usually open them all up and leave the driver door closed on 1 click so they won’t auto close just to keep it cooler inside.

[@killclipx8340]

Well in a 100F Arizona weather blasting 69F A/C, that will definitely lower the battery mileage which make sense.

[@DinanBMWm5]

Any chance you could do this same test with a Taycan? They’re known to be a bit more conservative with their range estimate, I’d love to know if they too over inflate their numbers, just not as egregiously as Tesla.

[@Gjeebs]

yea I plan on that and en EQE suv soon

[@BH195829]

Going 5 mph over the limit and up hill is your issue … when I road trip I do the speed limit and get FANTASTIC RANGE … if I go 5 over, Range suffers… 💕👎🤔🌎 range is calculated at speed limit and dead flat!

[@gatornukes6896]

Oo I have a black sunroof shade, might need to swap to the lighter color

[@terrykim8741]

I got new model Y LR also. I get only 180 miles for 80% consumption(90->10%) on a daily use. My average is around 290W. No matter what the conditions are, it seems way too off from what was advertised. I am surprised that no ones seem to make this as a serious issue or false advertisement.

[@marcconnery]

Do you monitor monitor the trip energy app?

[@mrktm65sx]

Thank you for this great video! I'm frustrated with the range of my 2019 Model 3 Performance. After 64k miles I have 100% battery = 284 miles according to in-car display. I recently tried to make a 246 mile trip from my home to the coast, all downhill and no rain. Could not make it. Actually had to supercharge TWICE. Very annoying.

[@BrianNedry]

What speed were you doing and what was the climate settings? I would find it annoying too but then a slight push on the accelerator and you remember why you tolerate it.

[@user-sj5ju4jb7t]

Tesla falsifies the battery estimates through software. It doesn’t start to reflect true range until you’re below 50%. It’s been reported by Reuters. A Tesla insider shared the information with the news agency. It’s said to be because Elon wanted to market the cars as having higher range to make customers more likely to purchase. Above 50% charge the range you see is not going to be accurate at all, it gets more and more accurate the closer you are to a depleted battery. So likely people who just charge daily would never even notice, so they get the piece of mind and Elon gets their money.

[@bradparker5409]

I live in phx. I've had my MY LR for 3 1/2 months. I have yet to get close to 320. I got 200 miles from 90% to 3%.

[@chrisfrancis8446]

Did he just say on camera he was going to be speeding the whole time? 😂😂

[@turg77]

The MPG gauge is usually very optimistic in Hyundias; not really accurate unless you start with a full tank, and then refill it to see how much actual fuel you used. And, then do the maths.

[@S1EJ0]

Surely it'd made more sense to compare with another EV to see how other manufacturers deal with displayed rated range

[@slickjolly]

Gas cars have city/highway numbers. I don't see any recognition of that in this test, just highway numbers. Not sure what's up with the single EPA number for electric if there are two for cars...

[@mikedrabek9733]

It gets worse...Now perform the test in cold weather!

[@Gary_Walker90]

Can do this test again but compare with another 100% electric vehicle. Like a rivian or Kia ev6. Just curious if that would cause any change.

[@Gjeebs]

Yep that is coming

[@Gary_Walker90]

@@Gjeebs awesome. Also I was in Phoenix with 120 degrees weather several weeks ago. Traveled with my model 3 from LA. Idk how you do it. I was about to pass out lol

[@BrianNedry]

​@@Gjeebs can you do a test with a portable battery operated AC unit that is able to keep the car at a decent temperature (if one exists) without running the AC (running just the fan is ok) in your Model Y? I'm curious to see how much energy/range you might save from doing this?

[@natehoy6924]

@@BrianNedry the energy graph will tell you approximately how much was consumed by cabin conditioning (heat/AC). That would have been an interesting tidbit to add to the video, though.

[@ianphi3860]

What is the advertised range? I only see the EPA range estimate, which is done my the EPA, not Tesla.

[@jriis2010]

I get 350 km (approx 217 Miles) in my Model Y RWD. On a trip from Denmark to Prague i got an efficiency of 143 Wh/Km. I dont care about range that much as much as efficiency and economy. I kept on or right below the speed limits where possible.

[@robinmusica]

This is TRUE my Toyota camry Hybrid range is accurate. Most of the time, i get more range than display, and i don't have to deal with vampire drain

[@thejalderman]

Try the same route in the Porsche Taycan. Porsches numbers are wildly conservative. I’d love to see the outcome. Cheers, and thanks for the content!

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

EPA range tests are as they are. It is not up to the manufacturer to be more or less conservative with the EPA numbers. Consumer reports showed why it seems that Tesla EPA range is how it is and why Taycan EPA range is how it is... Tesla is super efficient in City driving which makes the "combined" EPA score higher than we see on highway tests. Tesla also has a bigger buffer below the 0 estimate while EPA tests until the car stops. Taycan is not as great in city driving, so its "combined" EPA range is closer to what highway tests show, plus it has less of a buffer below its 0 estimate which also helps in these highway tests...

[@Mr11ESSE111]

Problem with EV cars are that electricity at rechargers are more expensive then ordinary fuel for same mileage and you need 30 seconds for refuel and for Tesla near hour for 100%

[@dougfox5312]

Tesla added a supercharger stop on a 252mi highway road trip on my 100% charged 2023 MYLR 19” wheels. It’s even worse in the winter. EPA sticker says 330mi. Class action?

[@ezpoppy55]

I was at Tesla Takeover last weekend. Drove home (Sacramento) from SLO. I drove Hwy 1 (aka Pacific Coast Hwy: PCH) and 101 from SLO to San Francisco, then I-80 from SF to Sacramento. 2021 Model 3 SR+ 18” stock wheels (no ugly aero covers) Original tires 36,000 miles on car Facts: 390 miles driven (the scenic route) 86 kWh consumed 220 Wh/mi average for trip (EPA says this model/year will use 24 kWh/100 miles; I got 22 kWh/100 miles, getting nearly 10% better efficiency than EPA estimate by that measure.) No one I heard or saw at Tesla Takeover was talking about this issue. It’s a media created issue.

[@BenPellowMusic]

THANK YOU. Finally someone says it. I dont know how Tesla can get away with advertising these amazing range numbers that are absolutely impossible to hit. I’ve had 3 teslas and had to get the most recent one cause the last one just wouldn’t hit the range it was supposed to EVER so i had to get one with even more range.

[@FeatureRequest]

its EPA rated. not Tesla.

[@Gary_Walker90]

This whole situation is odd because doesn’t the EPA verify these numbers. I would assume they would’ve had to have hit them in some conditions. It’s equally confusing that the taycan is rated at like 200 but can get 250 pretty easily. The whole system needs an update for accuracy. I would also like to say that when I was in Phoenix in 120 degree weather I believe I lost a good amount of power with the battery being cooled constantly. I can’t wait for another comparison with another EV. That would be interesting.

[@Teddy_M85]

@@FeatureRequest That's not accurate. The EPA accepts the OEMs range estimate if they show certain test results and they can choose which test protocol they want to follow. Tesla is able to practically automate the process and choose the protocol that produces the best range partly because it's the most detailed protocol and harder to complete. Other OEMs prefer to just under promise and over deliver. Either way Tesla's are amongst the most EFFICIENT per mile, but the difference in battery pack btw OEMs makes it a hard metric to compare when shopping which is why Tesla ultimately shows the EPA range vs wh/mi metric.

[@austinpowers1999]

Buy a Corolla where you get nowhere near the advertised range. Sold mine with 6,000 miles.

[@DADRacingYT]

Yep I get 70-85% depending on weather, passengers, elevation gain, etc. never did better than 85%

[@jetlopez4994]

model 3 & y needs lower gear ratio at front axle than rear axle (just like model s), to improve highway speed range

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

this GUY really hits TESLA where it HURTS ! Great JOB !

[@robp3431]

But then there are some brands which apparently exceed their advertised ranges ie BMW, Porsche

[@PlanetEaterG]

I did research and watched videos before I even purchased my first one. I knew what I was getting into before hand.

[@aniketphatak6797]

So how much range are you getting with medium usage ( 60-80 mph , AC on etc)

[@PlanetEaterG]

@@aniketphatak6797 I don’t know I never look at range, I have it set to percentage. I haven’t done a long trip. I rarely take it above 60, unless I’m on a highway that has a higher speed limit. The highway I use the most has a 55mph speed limit.

[@Streeknine]

I picked up a 2021 Model 3 Long Range, rated 333 Highway miles. The car has 22k miles on it with 4% battery loss. So it still says 320ish miles at 100%. I stayed about 5 miles over the speed limit traveling from VA to SC.. went 288 miles on 1 charge and had 7% left on the battery. I'm ok with that. But when I left at 100% it did say I'd have 27% left on arrival and that slowly dropped to 5% and said I had to keep it under 75 to make it.

[@waynerussell6401]

They are not rated on highway miles but EPA miles.

[@Streeknine]

@@waynerussell6401 That makes me even more mad!

[@BIGKickz23]

Just use the energy graph

[@jacobmenchaca1411]

I figured you know this but didn't hear it in the video - electric cars are not like gas, they are more efficent in town and less so on the highway where gas cars are the opposite. I do agree though that rated range most people want a highway number.

[@robertyu4313]

My '23 MYP will use approximately 35 miles of range just sitting in a parking lot for 7 hours with Cabin Overheat Protection set to 100 and outside temp exceeding 112.

[@cpreid]

Lol, yup. It’s a joke. Experienced the same in winter conditions w my Model Y. As much as 10% depletion parked outside overnight.

[@BrianNedry]

I find that cabin overheat protection to be a waste of energy from the battery, it a daily unnecessary drain when you can just open the doors and windows after getting off work and set fan to 10 and temp to LOW with AC off. Give it 5 mins to get the majority of the heat out and then drive with windows opens for another 5 mins, then close the windows and turn AC on if needed. That can save you 5-7% on your daily battery use instead of wasting it trying to cool down the car with no one in it, save that energy for AC use while your driving if the temperature is still too hot in the car.

[@MarinoRacing]

I wonder if driving in strictly “chill” mode would change the results

[@Gjeebs]

On the highway it won't change much

[@natehoy6924]

Not really. Chill helps temper acceleration. I drive in Chill and my wife drives in just regular mode (MYLR, no performance boost) and on the highway our efficiency numbers are basically identical. There's a small difference in town where you will be doing a lot more stop/start, but it's not really all that much. "Chill" mode just drops the acceleration a little and when you are on the highway it's not even a noticeable difference in behavior since you aren't accelerating/decelerating much on a regular basis.

[@drew_scottsdale]

we live in AZ the battery range SUCKS especially in the summer.

[@BalaKrishna-bq5iz]

People giving excuses for Tesla and saying "yeah but its okay"...maybe its okay for you, thats your personal choice. But EPA rating's should be consistent. You cant have EVs playing by its own rules. Advertise real numbers and people will still buy them but with realistic expectations.

[@T3chAndThings]

I agree 100% with this video. Tesla owners will try anything to justify why their tesla can’t reach what’s advertised on the site. Other EV’s out there have no issues reaching what’s stated on their site and that’s with weather etc.