Exposing Tesla's Range Issues

[@Gjeebs]

Here is what it cost for both of these cars to cover 203 miles: Kia - $20.39 (5.098 gallons of gas @ $3.999/Gallon) Tesla - $8.97 (Home charging $.14/kWh) OR $13.46 (Superchargers cost at the time I charged) BUT if you charge during peak hours which is like 11am-3pm the cost at these superchargers is $.50 so this would have cost $32.07 Don't forget the cost of gas can fluctuate as well but these were the costs the day I shot this video.

[@Newie-sb6lf]

Sorry, mate, why are we so fixed on highway range? Now all EPA or WLTP or even gasoline cars ranges are based on mixed city and highway speed. So, now try driving around town or the city centre for 6-8hrs at 25-40mi/hr speed limit and see what a Kia gasoline car gets?! Guess what, I have tried this at work this week for a couple days in an EV and we are getting more than 320mi as we are stop/starting going to more than 20 sites. I did this before in a gasoline car and get about half the advertised range.

[@bitkahuna]

@@Newie-sb6lf i guess the city/highway diff is about air resistance, meaning city driving is basically negligible, hence better range?

[@turg77]

So, the Kia really only got 39.82 MPG, not the gauge estimate of 45.6, which is a 15 percent difference.

[@lgadams1]

You are testing your interpretation of mileage estimate. Not informative.

[@manz7860]

Also have to consider the TIME invested. Filling up an ICE takes 10 minutes tops. Model y long range takes like an hour to charge 100% much much longer if you're at home

[@marcconnery]

Quick story - I had an older Friend complaining about EV's ranges. He said he wouldn't buy an EV unless he could drive 5 hours without stopping. I said " with your prostate, you can't drive 2 hours without stopping" 😋

[@shou635]

@caljeff2427oh fun!

[@JT-ng6nq]

best story this year, period.

[@marcconnery]

@caljeff2427 That explains the smell in his car!!

[@edgarestrada1146]

This would be funny if there was an EV charger at every gas station but there isnt.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Thats the EPP "elders protect your protates" not the EPA. Did your older friend not know that? Thats known for centuries. Tell hem from one elder to another he should drink, drive and take a piss every 2nd hour.

[@Jolly-Green-Steve]

6:15 Yeah the EPA range is for 55 mph not 80mph. On an electric bicycle it take 5kws to go 55 mph and it takes 15kws to go 80 mph. that is 3x more electricity usage.

[@michaeltan9512]

Your Tesla probably won’t able to reach the EPA rating even you are driving at 55 mph unless it’s a downhill road

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

@@michaeltan9512 EPA ranges are based on actual testing. Of course the Tesla will get EPA range on EPA tests!!! How about when I drive my mother-in-law's KIA Sorrento and I use half the tank to go just over 7 miles, in 1.5 hrs of slow ass city driving? Does that match EPA range for the KIA Sorrento? A Tesla would get 1000 miles under those conditions! EPA combined range includes city driving where Tesla is super efficient! EPA range includes all the range you get until the car stops and Tesla goes further after the estimate says 0 miles than other EVs... Extra efficiency in city driving is great, but makes the "Combined" range higher which makes it less like highway driving tests. Bigger buffer below 0 estimate is great to keep customers from actually running out of energy away from a charger, but it makes the EPA range seem too high... Tesla doing the right thing, can seem bad if we do not think about why or how...

[@Jolly-Green-Steve]

@@michaeltan9512 tell this guy to do a road test and let's see. electric usage ramps up like crazy above 45 mph on a bicycle so I'm guessing it's similar.

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

@@michaeltan9512 sooo dam true !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sooocheesy]

Yeah, but what did the Energy usage screen say? It's pretty good about telling you where your loses are. I regularly hit my rated range on my Model 3, especially when travelling on a highway where you don't have to stop/start a lot.

[@jayhoughton558]

Same!! In the summer I hit over or close to EPA rated range all summer long in my LFP model 3. The energy usage (consumption tab) is something that everyone seems to miss. It is far more accurate (if driving factors stay the same). All these videos out these past few days seem to completely miss this information.

[@ericbryant796]

@@jayhoughton558 Please explain. I assume the energy tab will tell you the AC is using a lot of juice...so what do you do? Turn it off and sweat in 90* temps? Don't listen to music? No wonder so many Tesla's I see on the highway are traveling so slow. I don't see them running 80 like us ICE owners do.

[@sooocheesy]

@ericbryant796 It's been 90-95 degrees all summer and I'm still getting the estimated range when I'm on the highway @ 75-80mph. I'm sure range is worse at 110 degrees by a bit, but I'm guessing his tires or something else is causing most of the loss of range.

[@ericbryant796]

@@sooocheesy Which is what? HWY range is not posted by EPA so unless you own one its a guess. From what I found after renting a LR Y for a week in S. FL is the highway range is probably not much more than 200 miles at best. Also it cost the equivalent of a 30 mpg car to operate using the Tesla Superchargers to charge. I loved the vehicle and was a blast to drive, but if traveling long distance you either need to be retired or better yet, just fly.

[@robinmusica]

It dont matter. You still have to deal with vampire drain 😂😂 gas is still king

[@steveallen1055]

I have a 2021 Model Y LR with 40,000 miles. My average energy used shows to be 248 Watts per mile. With a usable battery capacity of 75 kW (per info I found) That works out to 300 mile range. If I stopped driving 75-80 on the freeways without auto temperature selected and used the chill mode or otherwise did not enjoy the car, I would get better range.

[@frankcoffey]

I never trust range estimate in an electric car or a gas car! Do you ever put just enough gas in a gas car to get where you're going? No, you fill up in case something happens. Same thing in the Tesla. If it says "You have enough charge to continue your trip" I sit there and continue to charge until I get to a level I feel comfortable with.

[@gensao]

Indeed. My 2014 Prius PHEV has an EPA range of 540 miles. On I-5 I get a little over 300 miles before the fuel warning light comes on.

[@Teddy_M85]

I disagree, gas cars are way more accurate and we all know gas stations are plentiful. The problem is the expectation Tesla is setting with new EV buyers that are not educated on the subject. A simple disclaimer or video explaining EPA range calculation would be ideal. Some new drivers will not know the difference btw the energy app and the EPA range on the main screen.

[@W4rg3rm]

Facts.

[@frescosmalls]

This comment kinda misses the point though. Tesla’s estimates are over 300mi range and yet most people I’ve seen say the car only gets around 200-240mi. That’s a pretty significant difference, and the point of giving a realistic estimate is so that customers can set expectations.

[@doankhoa83]

@@frescosmallsnot Tesla, it’s EPA estimates. I get EPA estimates on my MYP with mix city and highway everyday. Learn to drive !

[@Gjeebs]

I am going to do this same test with other electric vehicles soon. Do you feel this was a fair test?

[@anpatsalos]

Expose them all for the overinflated EPA ranges

[@evilkokonut]

Try the models that use conservative epa range numbers like the Taycan.

[@Abevlife]

Please do model y vs Kia ev6 (not gt)

[@EVMANVSGAS]

No, I love your videos but this what not a fair test. EV v EV. We all know that no EV's are rated at 75-80mph. If you ran the EPA standard testing the way they do, I'm sure you would get about they they say it will. Compare to F-150 lightning, that luxury Mercedes you had, or even that Nissan EV you just tested vs what they are EPA rated at.

[@pjones4537]

This is practical and timely info. Much appreciated. Until Tesla can deliver true 300+ mile range consistently under real-world use conditions, I’m waiting to buy. Love the channel. Sub’d.

[@davegenet]

Living in AZ I really wish Tesla had the retractable sunshade like basically every other car with a glass roof has versus having to buy some aftermarket thing. Even visiting here in Colorado my rental has one which I find useful even though it is cooler here. For me, if I’m going to spend $50K on a car things like that I expect. I don’t have a Tesla but I do like their cars overall. I appreciate Gjeebs unbiased reviews.

[@Trust_but_Verify]

Is there some sunroof film that can be used w/o completely blocking off the roof?

[@cbrock66]

We had a Kia hybrid for a few years. The trip computer said we were getting the epa mpg range or better but we never really paid much attention to it cause there were gas stations everywhere. Then on a long trip to Florida stuff didn’t match up so I did the old fashion way of checking mpg by filling it up, driving, and filling it back up. Kia computer 44 mpg - real mpg 28. Not anywhere close. So we did it for a couple of months. Wife hated going to the gas station cause I had my little notebook. The computer averaged 75% less than what it said. We actually received a check from Kia because the stated mpg was not what we were getting. All that to say, the Kia probably did close to the epa or at least better than the Tesla but I bet it didn’t get the mpg it was telling you.

[@darkhorse2reign]

What was the amount of the check?

[@cbrock66]

@@darkhorse2reign We got $300. That was Kia’s “estimate” based off the extra gas we spent.

[@Newie-sb6lf]

@cbrock66 So, moral of the story is to pay your customers or media to not bag the truth about the EPA advertised range.

[@cbrock66]

@@Newie-sb6lf Not exactly. The moral is the trip estimate on any car is just that an estimate. My wife’s Cadillac and my son’s Chrysler computers never show the correct MPG if you check against the gas you actually put in it. Our Kia was part of a group that they had created a different one for testing than the one sold to the public. No matter the driving style you would never get the EPA range. Tesla if you follow the stupid EPA test, which is not real driving for most normal people, you will get the range the EPA claims.

[@Trust_but_Verify]

My friend with his new Model Y was saying one stretch of highway the Tesla was estimating 1% power to be used when he expected 10%, turns out Tesla estimator was right because it knew the stretch of road was downhill thus it used little power. It factors in elevation of the trip.

[@ParvTubeHD]

ETA should do 3 different types of estimates, first for the highest possible range for a car and the second being the worst possible efficiency for a car so you can see what range is guaranteed at least, third should be for highway speeds

[@DerEchteBabo]

Worst wouldn't mean much because they would all be ridiculously low

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

I can beat WLTP every day if i want to, EPA range estimates are a childs play. It just makes no FUN beating them.

[@cody4516]

EPA should just do a highway and city range, they have highway and city MPG for gas cars already, why one range number for EVs when the range fluctuates much more than a gas cars MPG does? Makes no sense, We need two epa ranges, highway and city

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@cody4516 I trust people who have made such a test - in the US on flat roads 70 mph in each direction, in Europe on not so flat roads 1000km challenge and report their findings. I do not trust institutions to have MY PERSONAL INTERESTS in mind. But i trust Tesla Björn in Norway. Its in HIS interest to do it right.

[@marklefler4007]

use this formula: real range = rated range (65 *65) / (speed *speed) - 0.1. Speed is the speed you are driving. SO if you drive at 75 mph, expect a 25% range drop due to increased air drag, and a 10% drop in range due to the battery after about 1 year (typical 1 year loss, then it holds more steady for 100K more miles). And gas cars also do the same thing as well. Air drag is proportional to velocity squared, so it gets bit very fast.

[@BrianNedry]

Pretty much, my best and closest to EPA estimates drives are when I'm not running AC or heat but that isn't plausible most times especially on cold days or hot days , especially with wife and kids in the car. The HVAC uses a lot of juice/range.

[@laurabodycombe7998]

Gjeebs, I’m with you on this. I was shocked watching your video when you drove from the charger outside of Tulsa to Whetherford, OK. It’s not that far but you were almost down to 0 when you got there. My almost 3 year old Model Y is dropping range also. Our last road trip from Albuquerque to Denver got a little dicey but not as bad as yours. And it’s not like we skipped any chargers. Just the distances out here are large.

[@darkhorse2reign]

I've lived in parts of West Texas and traveled extensively thru New Mexico and the surrounding area in ICE vehicles using my gas (hybrid) cars, my diesel pickup or semi trucks. Zero experience with my 2023 MY LR traveling long distances in the west but I'm about to take a trip from central Texas past Denver. On the map I can see that if I have a big headwind, I would be really smart to slow tf down and do 55 MPH vs the posted speed limit.

[@laurabodycombe7998]

@@darkhorse2reign Are you heading into New Mexico and then going north on Interstate 25 to Denver? If yes, Tesla installed a new charging station in Albuquerque that is nice.

[@darkhorse2reign]

@laurabodycombe7998 // No. Much further east than that.

[@rogerf9613]

Thanks for documenting this. Have the same car as you. When people ask me what the real range is, I usually say it’s about 70% of what’s officially reported.

[@YoMumzinnit]

Sounds like a SCAM

[@TB-up4xi]

I have 113% of my EPA stated range over the lifetime of my car (7800km / 4850mi) 2023 RWD LFP. No hypermiling.

[@lidam]

@@TB-up4xiI don’t think it’s true

[@LongShadow12]

Couldn't agree more. The EPA should set the range based on 70MPH on the highway. 330 miles only happens downhill.

[@TheRMF1]

This is the issue I have with elons “no one need 500mi+” attitude. A 500mi EV probably would get somewhere around 380-400 or so. They need to not put so much stake in epa estimates.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

EPA has three numbers: City, Highway, and Combined... Everyone complains about the "Combined", but everyone could look at the "highway" or "city" numbers instead... Tesla happens to get extra good "city" efficiency, so the "combined" is further removed from the "highway" range than other EVs where the "city" efficiency is not as great...

[@JT-ng6nq]

but aren't our deltas from real to advertised ranges, similar in % to ICE owner's? probably worse, right?

[@TB-up4xi]

The EPA range on my model 3 is 272mi (439km). I get 270mi+ at 70mph on long freeway trips all day long. I get 330mi (530km) mixed city/freeway all conditions. My lifetime average is 305mi (491km) all conditions over 7800km. I have physically driven over 300mi on a single charge. I don't hyper-mile. Getting good efficiency is related to how you drive and climate. I'm not the only one getting these numbers. i.imgur.com/vPQiKlV.jpg Just to add this is not all going downhill i.imgur.com/76Q1HZP.jpg I can't drive downhill everywhere.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

EPA regulates how the range numbers get advertised... Tesla is not allowed to do anything different. Blame the EPA!!! 1. Tesla has a bigger buffer below 0% than most EVs and EPA range is measured until the car is actually out of juice. 2. The Combined EPA range is a mix of highway and city driving and since Tesla is super efficient at the city drive cycle, the combined number will be further from highway speed range than with other EVs that are less efficient in city type driving... Both points are positive for Tesla customers: better city efficiency, and less likelihood of actually running out of electrons when looking at range left. Both points contribute to the problem as you see it...

[@kyleb8117]

You think that's bad, try having an old Nissan Leaf that advertises 84 miles range, but it actually gets more like 60 (also roughly 70% promised), and you can only realistically use it from 20-80% charge (or charge to 100% for a "trip" and go down to 20%), so you're looking at about 35-50 miles of range best case. I bought it assuming a modest 60 is fine, but reality is I can only safely go 30 or 40 per charge station (without factoring in cold weather) because our charger network sucks. I think I'd rather have a car that gets me the 200ish miles I'd like to go in one trip. Here's hoping I can afford one when this is paid off. 🤞 I love owning an EV, but man is the range on an old Leaf tough to deal with. (It'd be worse in Arizona, 'cause no thermal management on the battery.)

[@kyleb8117]

...and I probably should've mentioned that even though I got it used, it's still at 12/12 bars for battery health, so no...that's not the issue.

[@chadolof]

Great video Ben!! I know of many people that drive up from Tucson to Phoenix weekly so that was an awesome real life scenario test

[@danmorgan940]

The problem with people and EV range is that the efficiencies are opposite compared to ICE vehicles. The slower you go on an EV the longer you can travel. You can easily get 400 plus miles of range if you go 35 mph for example. Gas engines tend to get the best bang for your buck at around 55 mph and don't lose too much going faster. The EPA rated range is an estimate and combines city and highway. What the EPA should really do is separate city and highway for EVs just like ICE vehicles. It would look pretty crazy though. It might be like 400 miles City and 200 highway LOL

[@manz7860]

I've actually experienced the opposite in our model y. The city milage is absolutely horrible. I've seen 6-7 mile round trips eat up 4% of the battery. California conditions and chill mode acceleration.

[@melvinester4431]

Thanks for the vid. I drove yesterday 430 kmtrs from 100% to 1%. Not bad despite the fact the MY Rwd indicated at 100% battery only 389kmtrs. At 0% battery the car still had 7,5kw left so theoretically I can drive at least 470kmts = 293 miles

[@rich8669]

The range remaining in the energy graph should be the number on top. The EPA number has zero use to the driver.

[@Gjeebs]

yep

[@ontheboat8444]

This. Agree 100%. Specially for new owners. The first thing you look at is that number. You aren't going to the graph all the time to see how much range you have left.

[@norabelrose198]

I'm not sure I actually agree; arguably for the battery meter you want a consistent unit whereas the actual estimated range for the current trip or whatever is not going to be consistent across drives etc.

[@Sam-gs7yb]

Good job Gjeebs no sugar coating or kissing Tesla behind for that I’m subscribing

[@Gjeebs]

This is a sugar free channel

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

EXACTLY !! people need to STOP HUGGIN ELONS NUTS

[@dutchschultz4493]

Just wanna say if your windshield isn't tinted, that has helped me tremendously in the summer heat here in NY. 50% 3m crystalline is what my guy used. Its like wearing polarized Oakley's during the day and almost non existent at night.

[@Gjeebs]

Yep I have 50% o the windshield and that does help a lot

[@FeatureRequest]

Isnt the issue the EPA estimate? Tesla doesnt actually say this is what Tesla does. Tesla ONLY says what the EPA tested range is.

[@gustavgyll3291]

Yes, and in Europe it’s WLTP that’s even more generous then the EPA. But in Europe this isn’t an issue, because everyone know that WLTP is tested in a lab and people know that many factors will effect your range. By the way, on B-roads in Europe you definitely can get a tesla to WLTP range estimates.

[@junaidx]

I don't think everyone knows that about EPA/WLTP ranges. Trust me that most people just assume that's approx the range. Even tesla advisors say WLTP - 10% is what you should get which... heck Mercedes garage told me WLTP = the range.

[@Adventures_with_nick]

I have the model Y performance with 18” wheels and I’ve actually been able to get it as low as 220 wh/mile 340 miles of range in mixed 65, 55 and 45 mile per hour conditions. Yes, I can beat EPA estimates in ideal conditions as long as I don’t exceed 65 mph, why? Because EPA estimates are for combined city and highway

[@sooocheesy]

Whenever someone says their rang is trash, there's some other variable in play like bad rolling resistance tires, excessive heat/cold, lots of stop lights, hard acceleration, etc.. I've had two Model 3's [LR and Performance] and under normal highway driving @ 70-80mph I get nearly exactly the rated range. I get about 80% of rated on city streets.

[@cpreid]

You guys are lying through your teeth. This simply isn’t true. I flat out don’t believe you (1.5 yrs of Model Y ownership here).

[@Adventures_with_nick]

@@cpreid but I also switched to 18” wheels that’s the secret. Lighter wheels require less energy

[@Adventures_with_nick]

@@sooocheesy ease into acceleration and off acceleration, don’t use your brakes. AC, heating, wind speed, elevation, tire pressure, air temperature, tire rolling resistance, tire weight, road surface, and probably more I can’t think of right now effect range so easily because EVs are so efficient (something like 2 gallons of gas per full charge)

[@Adventures_with_nick]

@@cpreid I literally aspire my life for the truth and reject spreading misinformation with ever ounce of my being lol

[@JuozasMikaila]

Last September we, my wife and our Lab, took a trip from Troy Michigan to Grind Stone City located in Michigan's Thumb. The was weather was ideal, no wind and 7o F. I used FSD and drove at the posted 55 MPH speed limit. We started with 90% and finished with 16% battery life. This extrapolates to 335 mile full battery range.

[@josephvcenzoprano7528]

This week I just got 230 Wh/mi from 80% to 15% covering 177mi using 41KWh in mixed City/Hwy. That scales to 338 for my ‘23 MYLR so 🤷🏼. Keep your foot off it and use AP set at 65mph.

[@anthonyromano1906]

This has been my experience as well and I'm in central florida heat... it's about the driver not the car!

[@BenPellowMusic]

THANK YOU. Finally someone says it. I dont know how Tesla can get away with advertising these amazing range numbers that are absolutely impossible to hit. I’ve had 3 teslas and had to get the most recent one cause the last one just wouldn’t hit the range it was supposed to EVER so i had to get one with even more range.

[@FeatureRequest]

its EPA rated. not Tesla.

[@Gary_Walker90]

This whole situation is odd because doesn’t the EPA verify these numbers. I would assume they would’ve had to have hit them in some conditions. It’s equally confusing that the taycan is rated at like 200 but can get 250 pretty easily. The whole system needs an update for accuracy. I would also like to say that when I was in Phoenix in 120 degree weather I believe I lost a good amount of power with the battery being cooled constantly. I can’t wait for another comparison with another EV. That would be interesting.

[@Teddy_M85]

@@FeatureRequest That's not accurate. The EPA accepts the OEMs range estimate if they show certain test results and they can choose which test protocol they want to follow. Tesla is able to practically automate the process and choose the protocol that produces the best range partly because it's the most detailed protocol and harder to complete. Other OEMs prefer to just under promise and over deliver. Either way Tesla's are amongst the most EFFICIENT per mile, but the difference in battery pack btw OEMs makes it a hard metric to compare when shopping which is why Tesla ultimately shows the EPA range vs wh/mi metric.

[@austinpowers1999]

Buy a Corolla where you get nowhere near the advertised range. Sold mine with 6,000 miles.

[@jonfscott]

Common I have consistently beat the range in my Model 3 Lt. Though I do drive the speed.. limit, drive on chill. Regardless your estimates are wrong for one important reason. The EPA range includes the emergency buffer. The amount below zero which is about 30+ miles.

[@gustavgyll3291]

You are absolutely correct! And it’s the same for every car out there. I drove my previous car, a Porsche panamera, on autobahn in 270 km/h and I only got about 150 miles from my 80 liter petroltank. And I have driven my previous tesla, Model 3 P on autobahn in 160-200 km/h and I got about 150-180 miles.

[@robertt1336]

Agreed. It’s misleading of tesla to go with rosy numbers, when people are basing range estimates advertised on interstate speeds and epa is much more generous than that. I’m reconsidering trading in my id4 awd which is seemingly right in line w real work range

[@LuKiSCraft]

I think comparing to a Hybrid isn't really apples-to-apples, but yes I certainly agree you don't get the advertised range. I usually get ~250mi on my Model Y LR, when speeding. But I don't live in Phoenix where it is 105F LOL

[@darkhorse2reign]

105F in the Southwest is cold. Here in Austin, we've been well over 105F for a month now.

[@robinmusica]

It doesn't matter. At least Gas vehicles don't have to deal with vampire drain 😂😂😂 gas still king

[@LuKiSCraft]

@@robinmusica ya I mean it's only a couple % per night (similar to your phone or laptop when you don't touch it). It is the iPhone of cars. Not for everyone right now but just wait 10 years lol

[@lucidf8]

I can feel the heat through the roof in my 2022 Tesla Model Y LR, though it’s never uncomfortable. My A/C seems to always deal with the heat of mid 90’s temperatures. In SoCal, I don’t encounter 100’s often, it would be nice to test that out. I’ve never charged to 100%, or used a Supercharger. I think on a trip, I wouldn’t go beyond 90% unless it was critically necessary. I think I can safely get 280 miles, though I should try a test! I drive a loop of 100 miles pretty often, and it uses about 35% of the battery. 300 miles would be a stretch.

[@thomassullivan3365]

@user-sj5ju4jb7t I installed a really good shade in MY LR before summer. S Fl has been getting 90+ with a feel like of 105-110 until it rains. The shade is crazy good at killing the heat. The car in the parking lot shows 130-140 inside temp. I turn the AC a few minutes before I walk out and the car is close to 70. The shade opens and the metal closer bars get so hot they will almost burn you. The shade itself is very cool to the touch. It cost almost $500, $449 with a code, but I am very happy I did it before summer. Gjeebs reviewed it a while back in a video. They now have a $600 electric unit. I think the best thing is you can open it front or back or both and keep it closed on hot days, or open at night. I'm not a big fan of the pano roof or sunroofs for that matter. Every recent car I owned in S FL came with a sunroof. I opened one of them of a fall vacation up north, otherwise, none of them were opened in FL. The AC is always on! You can also get tinting, and Epel HR Film on the Roof inside. It's pricey, but the HR version has a 98% heat rejection. I put that on the front window shield (not legal), side and back hatch glass. That also helps a bunch. The lightest to the darkest allowed offers the heat rejection.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

EPA has three numbers, City, Highway, and combined... For highway driving, the highway figure will be closer to reality. Tesla is super efficient at slower speeds and stop and go traffic, so the combined EPA range is influenced more positively than with other EVs where the city efficiency is not as great... Plus, Tesla has a bigger buffer at the bottom, when the car tells you that you are out of energy, you can go further than most EVs before actually running out. EPA has a certain test cycle and a method for getting the combined that all cars use. It helps to compare one car to another, but is not supposed to tell you how much range you will get, because that depends on how you drive...

[@BlakeCheck]

Great idea for a video. Very relevant. I kinda wish you’d compared the efficiency between your model y and another electric suv though.

[@Gjeebs]

That's coming

[@lplt]

316 miles range is EPA. which includes 55% city driving which boosts the range back to those EPA numbers

[@mrktm65sx]

Thank you for this great video! I'm frustrated with the range of my 2019 Model 3 Performance. After 64k miles I have 100% battery = 284 miles according to in-car display. I recently tried to make a 246 mile trip from my home to the coast, all downhill and no rain. Could not make it. Actually had to supercharge TWICE. Very annoying.

[@BrianNedry]

What speed were you doing and what was the climate settings? I would find it annoying too but then a slight push on the accelerator and you remember why you tolerate it.

[@shou635]

Engineering explained did a good video on this a couple years ago. Just a different testing method allowed by EPA.

[@mt2nv1]

EPA range test is 20 mpg avg city and 50 mph avg highway. Look into it. I learned this 20 years ago in a Popular Mechanics magazine. People don’t have the same driving habits.

[@banaji]

@gjeebs - I have a 2023 MYLR and I get really strong range because I live in a place not as hot as Arizona. At 80-85F, if I drive consistently below 70 mph, I can get 95% efficiency and at 80mph, 85% efficiency. Car has only been driven 5000 miles so battery deg is also very minimal so that helps

[@robinmusica]

This is TRUE my Toyota camry Hybrid range is accurate. Most of the time, i get more range than display, and i don't have to deal with vampire drain

[@terrykim8741]

I got new model Y LR also. I get only 180 miles for 80% consumption(90->10%) on a daily use. My average is around 290W. No matter what the conditions are, it seems way too off from what was advertised. I am surprised that no ones seem to make this as a serious issue or false advertisement.

[@marcconnery]

Do you monitor monitor the trip energy app?

[@DuckHunterGaming]

To be fair the EPA is a combined number of city and highway. Highway tests are done at 55mph. At 70Mph your highways mileage is about 25-30% less than at 55mph depending on drag coefficient. So an expected 330 range at 55 mph is an expected 231 range at 70 mph. But the expected Model Y highway isn't 330 its 313, because 330 is the combined highway and city. 313 range at 55mph is expected 219 at 70 mph. That's before any range loss from battery pack degradation.

[@alittleofthisnthat5665]

🤔...good video, I own Model y long range also and this has been my issue. Even from day 1 going on a long distance trip could not come anywhere near even 300 miles. You pay a premium for the range that you never get and Tesla knows that they have been deceptive with their posted range on their website

[@cpreid]

Precisely

[@smoothoperator1663]

I just realized I’m not saving anything with my Tesla when my monthly insurance for full coverage is about 400$ trading in for a civic net month!

[@superset5]

you're missing the point when you complain about insurance costs

[@thewolfdoctor761]

$400 a month ? Are you accident prone ?

[@Mr11ESSE111]

Problem with EV cars are that electricity at rechargers are more expensive then ordinary fuel for same mileage and you need 30 seconds for refuel and for Tesla near hour for 100%

[@chrishaberbosch1029]

Have Bjorn Nyland as an expert witness. He’s been doing the best EV range tests on all makes and variants for many years. The data is all there to see.

[@gretarorri]

I own a Tesla Model 3 LR and I totally agree. Why can’t the estimated range be better in electric cars, the EPA and WLTP range standards are measured during optimal conditions that no-one will drive in. It would be really beneficial to have some kind of an average real time range that would be more representative of the actual range of an EV. Too bad you didn’t have the DJI Mic internal recording going there, that should’ve helped with your audio issue.

[@TB-up4xi]

I disagree - I'm not nearly at optimal conditions, I have and average of 113% of my EPA range over the lifetime of my car. In good conditions I get 135% of my EPA range. I definitely do not hyper-mile. This average is in all conditions (-5C /23F mornings, 1200ft daily elevation rise fall, wind, rain, 50% freeway (70mph) / 50% city etc.) i.imgur.com/vPQiKlV.jpg

[@rkgsd]

Class-action lawsuit against Tesla filed in California for exactly this issue. Considering California has the highest amount of EV owners, that's very telling.

[@BIGKickz23]

Just use the energy graph

[@TheMjoelner]

Set the AC to recirculation when it’s hot outside. You’ll get better efficiency.

[@jriis2010]

I get 350 km (approx 217 Miles) in my Model Y RWD. On a trip from Denmark to Prague i got an efficiency of 143 Wh/Km. I dont care about range that much as much as efficiency and economy. I kept on or right below the speed limits where possible.

[@somedudeonyoutoob]

when will tesla be held accountable for this? i have a MYLR and i get no where NEAR 330. maybe 240-250 if i am lucky. tesla needs to be punished and reimburse buyers for false advertising or take the car back.

[@kitmarshall4084]

factor tires? rolling resistance also affect range, i got 6% more range with Conti DSW than i did with Michelin's Pilot AS

[@austinpowers1999]

Bought a new CRV and Corolla and mpg were about 40% less than advertised.

[@Sam-gs7yb]

Time to trade them in for a Tesla I hear and see great things 😂😂

[@cpreid]

Were you filling it w Gatorade wtf

[@BrianNedry]

Lol, sure buddy whatever you say, I smell bull manure. 40% ? Your lie might have worked if it was more realistic.

[@tonymiles89]

Can you do a comparison of a 2025 Y LR and 2025 Sorrento Hybrid SX Prestige Gjeebs. Amazing content as always, regardless of the audio issue

[@Teddy_M85]

I hope Tesla rethinks their EPA claims after all this backlash, but I doubt they will. As a MYP owner the 303 epa range is a joke, and it's not achievable in real-world driving period. Tesla should at least provide a disclaimer that the range is only possible on a flat surface, no wind, on a 60° day and below 55mph... Instead Tesla should display their efficiency rating wh/hr which is probably best in class... My 2cents.

[@cpreid]

Correct. Not even close. Look at all the Elon D-riders in the comments trying to split hairs and get all technical trying to loophole things. Smh.

[@Adventures_with_nick]

I’m so glad the audio went out, your dub was epic 😂

[@itgoesfast2722]

I needed to cover my glass roof even in the Pacific Northwest. That glass roof should have had a shade from the factory. It’s very presumptuous everyone wants to bake like a ham in the summer. Horrible design!!!

[@Kryoxys]

I'm pretty sure newer Model Y's have better heat rejection in the glass roof. I just got my '23 MYP 3 weeks ago and haven't noticed any heat issues being in the sun, even on sunny hot & humid days.

[@BalaKrishna-bq5iz]

People giving excuses for Tesla and saying "yeah but its okay"...maybe its okay for you, thats your personal choice. But EPA rating's should be consistent. You cant have EVs playing by its own rules. Advertise real numbers and people will still buy them but with realistic expectations.

[@TheDrivenDave]

Great comparison. I’m shocked how much juice my model 3 has gone through in the heat in Vegas. Range estimates are WAY off. Still love my car, but I wish the estimates had been more realistic up front. (I love my Vion shade too!) Hope to meet you sometime at an event. Just did the Tesla Takeover and need to edit my footage from that. Fun times! Thanks for the video!

[@robert5008]

So here is my experience. I own a 2022 Model 3 RWD with a LFP battery. The car is rated at 272, now it's 265 with mileage. With me living in FL with flat roads and my AC set for 72 I get about 180 miles of city driving with 80% battery. I knew when buying my car I wasn't going to get EPA range but I kinda expected north of 200 miles with a car rated for 272. I have yet to take the car on a true road trip but fingers crossed I may get 210 miles on the highway.

[@marklefler4007]

what speed were you driving it at?

[@robert5008]

@marklefler4007 Most of the roads are 45 to 50 mph in my city. So figure 5 to 10 mph over for the average commute speed in the morning and early evening.

[@ezpoppy55]

I was at Tesla Takeover last weekend. Drove home (Sacramento) from SLO. I drove Hwy 1 (aka Pacific Coast Hwy: PCH) and 101 from SLO to San Francisco, then I-80 from SF to Sacramento. 2021 Model 3 SR+ 18” stock wheels (no ugly aero covers) Original tires 36,000 miles on car Facts: 390 miles driven (the scenic route) 86 kWh consumed 220 Wh/mi average for trip (EPA says this model/year will use 24 kWh/100 miles; I got 22 kWh/100 miles, getting nearly 10% better efficiency than EPA estimate by that measure.) No one I heard or saw at Tesla Takeover was talking about this issue. It’s a media created issue.

[@ktim2855]

I’m basically getting 215 - 225 highway miles at 75MPH in my 2019 LR M3. 100% shows 292 miles. Slightly annoying that I can’t get the advertised ranged but its ok.

[@Adventures_with_nick]

It’s off for all EVs and when you consider Tesla’s have reserve to drive past 0% (I drove mine 5-7 miles past 0% in an emergency) the allocations towards Tesla right now are not warranted or at least not fairly targeted. Also, EVs are HIGHLY subjected to range loss to the smallest variations in weather and conditions, where as the mechanics of a gas vehicle actually favor highway driving over city, where EVs prevail.

[@mowcowbell]

Great video, thanks for posting. You might want to check the mic volume on your DJI set... it is a bit too low compared to the background music.

[@charliewilliams1474]

I have a Ford Escape Awd Hybrid.range per tank is 580 and always get with in 10 miles of advertised range.

[@theorozcos]

The car seat in the back prevented more range, jk lol 😂

[@salty8852]

The lip sync was way off at the end! Hahahhah nice video.

[@nohandledude]

My '23 MYP will use approximately 35 miles of range just sitting in a parking lot for 7 hours with Cabin Overheat Protection set to 100 and outside temp exceeding 112.

[@cpreid]

Lol, yup. It’s a joke. Experienced the same in winter conditions w my Model Y. As much as 10% depletion parked outside overnight.

[@BrianNedry]

I find that cabin overheat protection to be a waste of energy from the battery, it a daily unnecessary drain when you can just open the doors and windows after getting off work and set fan to 10 and temp to LOW with AC off. Give it 5 mins to get the majority of the heat out and then drive with windows opens for another 5 mins, then close the windows and turn AC on if needed. That can save you 5-7% on your daily battery use instead of wasting it trying to cool down the car with no one in it, save that energy for AC use while your driving if the temperature is still too hot in the car.

[@flynnaz]

I live in Tucson, I know this drive very well. Good information. Thank you

[@Alan-dp8qg]

Great video. Can you do a range test that involves small town driving. Going around 25mph, cracking a window open instead of using the ac, using the 19 inch wheels. Im sure there are other ways to save on energy. The reason I ask is because I live in a small town and drive about 4 miles a day but get amazing range.

[@dyeace]

This man did a whole test and doesnt even realize there are different epa ranges lamo. Tesla's rating is not for highway. EVs are opposite gas, which is to say EVs are much more efficient (better range) city vs highway

[@jacobmenchaca1411]

I figured you know this but didn't hear it in the video - electric cars are not like gas, they are more efficent in town and less so on the highway where gas cars are the opposite. I do agree though that rated range most people want a highway number.

[@larryfenix]

My wife just got this exact KIA and I have to say it's an extremely nice vehicle for the price point.

[@Gjeebs]

Yea for the price it's a great option. Efficient and specious plus things like heated and ventilated seats are awesome

[@larryfenix]

@@Gjeebs just FYI, this is my favorite channel. I appreciate the content you create. Glad to know you are doing it full time.

[@Gjeebs]

Thank you I appreciate it

[@yuppystick]

Look at one of my favorite KZbinrs making that money. Congrats on all the subscribers and views good Sir. It's been too long since I've seen one of your videos. I missed you 😏

[@ExploringCabinsandMines]

I would only use a Tesla for my 50 mile commute to work and charge at home otherwise im not waiting for changing.

[@manz7860]

We still have 6 months of free supercharging on ours. And yeah, stopping by the supercharger gets old quick. The fastest superchargers are also in the next city. I live in Southern California too.

[@tedl2711]

No mistake. ICE cars get best mileage in city and worst in city driving. Electric cars get best mileage in city (stop and go traffic) and worst when on hwy. because of no regen helping the Tesla on freeway compared to in city

[@slickjolly]

Gas cars have city/highway numbers. I don't see any recognition of that in this test, just highway numbers. Not sure what's up with the single EPA number for electric if there are two for cars...

[@ronsexton3685]

Very true. Why is the EPA range so off on EVs? It's just crazy. That is the one thing I would like on my MYP is range. And a cover for the glass, or, gasp, an option to lower the price and do without the overhead glass, would be great!

[@Gjeebs]

agree you should be able to order it with a painted roof

[@Daniel_Capital]

Because the range is estimated from an algorithm that Tesla maliciously makes to over rate the range. Former Tesla employees have said this, then when the car goes below 50% range, it then gives the actual range so you don't get stuck

[@bwmanarific]

EPA numbers are through their own test which I think drive the car at less than 60mph. Very lenient test thats why. Better way to calculate range is showing the remaining kwh in the battery and the efficiency (miles per kw) at speed and outside air temperature and i bet it will be pretty accurate

[@gabem8119]

@@Gjeebswhen I first ordered my 3 I thought you could get a non glass roof. I was bummed when I found out I couldn’t get it but I like the glass roof. I’m on the east coast and it can get pretty hot here. I got a mesh sunshade that works pretty well but can still feel the heat. I finally put the sunshades it came with to block the sun out more. Just my luck temps have cooled down some here so now waiting for it to get hotter to test it out. One thing I’ve noticed, even with tinted windows and the windshield shade on and windows vented the A/C turns on to cool the inside. I wish the app allowed you to vent the windows halfway, I usually open them all up and leave the driver door closed on 1 click so they won’t auto close just to keep it cooler inside.

[@DblOSmith]

What is advertised does happen in real life. When I picked up a used Model 3 from a Infiniti dealer, TLDR, I had to drive 55mph on the freeway, windows up, no AC, etc, etc. to make it where I was going. I got exactly 1 mile of traveled distance per 1 while on the guess-o-meter. It was exactly one to one. If you want it, you can get it. As soon as you go outside those parameters things change, and they change at different rates whether it's gas or electric. If instead of an imprecise analog gas guage, it showed EPA rated miles per tank, the complaints would be exactly the same because no one drives the EPA cycle. This is such an annoying and ridiculous non-issue.

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

this GUY really hits TESLA where it HURTS ! Great JOB !

[@phwkent2265]

You should do a video to educate charge etiquette at Tesla Superchargers. I’m pulling a trailer with my X from Shelbyville Indiana to Grand Island NE. At every supercharger there has been a car charging in the pull in stall that’s not pulling anything forcing me to disconnect my trailer or block stalls. All other stalls have been open but there’s always someone in that pull in stall. I feel like Tesla needs to educate or have signs for people to know what those stalls are for.

[@BryanMartinhan]

2 things to understand: 1) EPA testing is done on a treadmill for cars under specific conditions thats optimized for efficiency, constant speeds, etc. 2) The stated range on your EV is an estimate based on driving behavior, HVAC usage, speeds etc on real roads and not optimized for efficiency on average. 🍎 to 🍊 Regardless, I can show you a stated miles used vs actual miles at 96% efficiency roadtrip over 157 miles on my Tesla MYP. Is not about range but efficiency.

[@usckid2004]

Thank you for testing and all of your vids, of course. Nice to see and hear likes and dislikes about the car-it’s refreshing actually. Keep the great content coming. Sub’d

[@chrisfrancis8446]

Did he just say on camera he was going to be speeding the whole time? 😂😂

[@MifMufs]

Well in a 100F Arizona weather blasting 69F A/C, that will definitely lower the battery mileage which make sense.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

EV don't have point until batteries will not have at least 500wat per kg power and of course recharging not more tgen 5-8minute for around 10-100%

[@ba177ba18]

I recently took a road trip from TX to FL. I rented a gas car for the trip and it was such a nice experience compare to Tesla. I get to my destination much much faster. I am a coming from a family with Model Y, Model 3 and X here. I just don’t think the battery technology is there just yet for taking a long road trip in terms of range and charging speed

[@nickhummer5775]

We def don’t use the word air con in the USA

[@BH195829]

Going 5 mph over the limit and up hill is your issue … when I road trip I do the speed limit and get FANTASTIC RANGE … if I go 5 over, Range suffers… 💕👎🤔🌎 range is calculated at speed limit and dead flat!

[@T3chAndThings]

I agree 100% with this video. Tesla owners will try anything to justify why their tesla can’t reach what’s advertised on the site. Other EV’s out there have no issues reaching what’s stated on their site and that’s with weather etc.

[@kylecordes]

You have the same glitch as the Edmunds testers - assuming that 4% shown on the screen means 4% of the battery. Tesla has several % (reported amounts vary) below 0% as a margin of error to reduce people ending up with an empty battery on the side of the road. To test the range, you have to drive (an EV or ICE) until it stops - not until it shows 0.

[@cpreid]

🤔

[@johnh.wilson2081]

You didn't mention the cooling fans kick on for cooling the batteries on the Tesla and if you didn't have the sunroof blockers the AC would have run even more which would have delivered even worse mileage. I would not own a Tesla because I have watched enough videos of owners who have all these "interesting" problems which I guess gives them bragging rights about being a Tesla owner. No one ever says it was the worst purchase they ever made. I own two Toyota's and have never had a single problem. My Camry came with a full sunroof but it has an electric shade that opens and closes. Thanks for the video and your honesty. By the way there are better EV's to chose from now that are much better looking with better features.

[@Truthfulshortsandclips]

Really nice video I come from hybrids and currently got a ioniq 5 limited, this also has the range issue and it gets around 80% of its range in hot temps even less if you are flooring it. I think it has to do with current battery technology. As much as we don’t want to say but ev are just starting to improve their technology and to be honest the battery technology is not the best even in a Tesla. Time will tell I hope the battery technology gets better over time. However I still enjoy driving my i5 even tho it has limited range but I also have a 2023 Prius just in case I do need that more reliable range figures. Great video.

[@dyhppyx]

I'm pretty sure the Tesla rated range is not meant for 70mph hwy driving. I drive mixed and have driven for 163k miles and I have averaged 240 wh/mile which is on point. Fast speed really hurts ev range. Bottom line you're right. Tesla ought to report a hwy range too.

[@BrianNedry]

Yes it most definitely does but that's one of the fun parts about EVS and it's unfortunate that you have to choose 1 over the other. To be fair high speeds hurt ICE vehicles also but with the amount of range you get from a gas, hybrid or PHEV almost double the range of most reasonable price EVS, it doesn't hurt as much losing 100 miles VS losing that in a EV.

[@frostburn311]

EPA estimates are typically fairly accurate and reflective of real world driving. I’m not sure how Tesla has gone this wrong with completely unrealistic estimated range. In normal driving it just won’t hit the 330 advertised for the newer model Y long range.

[@dougfox5312]

Tesla added a supercharger stop on a 252mi highway road trip on my 100% charged 2023 MYLR 19” wheels. It’s even worse in the winter. EPA sticker says 330mi. Class action?

[@Streeknine]

I picked up a 2021 Model 3 Long Range, rated 333 Highway miles. The car has 22k miles on it with 4% battery loss. So it still says 320ish miles at 100%. I stayed about 5 miles over the speed limit traveling from VA to SC.. went 288 miles on 1 charge and had 7% left on the battery. I'm ok with that. But when I left at 100% it did say I'd have 27% left on arrival and that slowly dropped to 5% and said I had to keep it under 75 to make it.

[@waynerussell6401]

They are not rated on highway miles but EPA miles.

[@Streeknine]

@@waynerussell6401 That makes me even more mad!

[@manz7860]

Just got the model y in our family. The range is pretty poor, relative to the 300 miles claimed. I would guess 200miles is far more accurate.