Expressionism - Draftsmen S3E14

[@Draftsmen]

On a scale of 9 to 10, tell us how much you enjoyed this episode.

[@letsplaywithlife3063]

100

[@pibyte]

10/10 for the opening song

[@stephenthedude4383]

11

[@0GreenBerry]

10000

[@FYPAnimations]

Nein……from the German jury. 😂

[@theyayo]

Marshall is a diamond of knowledge.

[@PuppetMaster8707]

Who ever does the thumbnails, give that person a promotion

[@nuttanp]

This is such an important subject. I have been struggling to be more 'free' in my art for years! All the tutorials I learn from has taught me to be afraid to make mistakes hence making my art look stiff. This episode is like an 'aha' moment for me. Finally, there is a name to the things I been looking for so long.

[@Rice8003]

"Looseness is not a frivolous departure from control, quite the opposite. It arises from the freedom which comes from superb control... Therefore, looseness should describe how a painting looks, not how it is done" - Richard Schmidt.

[@StClair008]

I am shocked at how little Stan knows about art history. I had an art education in public colleges (in the 70s - I'm Marshall's age), which I'm sure he would think was worthless, and yet I knew all of these artists and their works almost from the get go. He has a career as an artist and he's oblivious to almost every major artist of the last 100 years (unless they are within the narrow scope of his training). If he is typical of those who attend ateliers, then this is a huge gap. It's an eye opener for me because I assumed anyone who studies art would at least be able to identify a Mark Rothko from a Kandinsky from a Mondrian (even if they don't like them). Marshall is a good role model for Stan in many ways. Stan keeps Marshall in line also. They are a good team. I think that's what makes these episodes so interesting.

[@ArtofComics]

agreed. Stan needs to crack open a book.

[@0ia]

Hm, but how can we say for certain what is valuable versus simply a thing to do if you enjoy it? Like you mentioned, Stan has a career as an artist - art history was not necessary for him. I do personally think art history is cool to see how people *pushed* the craft, but that’s only useful for someone who wants to know how people pushed the craft - not _necessarily_ for someone who wants to attend a figurative drawing atelier. (Perhaps the knowledge of how it was pushed in the past can help build a mental model on how to push it now!)

[@Will-ge7ri]

I hate to be this guy, but this is why I view Stan more as a (very skilled) craftsman, and not an artist.

[@KoongYe]

Marshall singing "Still Alive" is like the greatest revelation.

[@nlnrose]

Yes!! I was hoping I wasn't the only one who recognized it

[@StormEngineer]

That made me go all "WTF IS GOING ON?!" in a good way, LOL.

[@zacharyfeldman9842]

My goodness yes! I laughed so loudly I was worried my wife would wonder if I was okay. Brilliant.

[@blixadon4022]

I wonder if Marshall played portal lmao

[@14watecolormore]

Every time when Marshal shares his wisdom is 10 points.

[@shanghaitatoo]

I love Marshall in this episode. There's so much course online teaching how to draw accurately, but so little on expression, exaggeration, abstraction... I feel like the latter are really essential to artistic training.

[@LizGridleyArtist]

Loved hearing you dissect the value of emotive art - the pull on the heart not just the eyes of work is something I value incredibly in my work and others. As Stan said artists often get desensitized to emotive content in work and skip straight to the technical accomplishment of it - so when emotive pulls through it's truly a work that sticks with you - I love it!

[@Arcvein]

Boy this dialogue really summed up the frustrations I had in my college art program. Excellent content and an enjoyable listen for sure.

[@izzytheamazing]

This was one of my favorite episodes. I love that you brought actually playing with art into the episode Stan, it really felt motivating!

[@neilgadsby3924]

I’m so glad you mentioned Schama, he’s such a great writer on the subject of art, and his video essays in Power of Art are works of art in their own right.

[@imalogui]

I frequently listen to these in my car but I always go back and see the videos too because I enjoy seeing the visual stuff that goes along with the podcast. Would love to see more of your drawings and artwork that coincide with the subjects you speak about. The sketchbook episode was one of my favorites for that reason too. Thanks for the amazing content, always look forward to new episodes.

[@oowaz]

Kathe Kollwitz is one of my all time favorites. I found out about her quite early and was immediately drawn by it, and intrigued. All those years studying art I still haven't really found someone else that conveys so much emotion ,expressivity and simplicity like she does, remarkable stuff.

[@liv0003]

Agree , she was exceptional! A powerfull emotional expressiveness in her art that is truly rare to find

[@m.i.miller8008]

a absolute 10 Plus...Get so much information and inspiration from these podcasts. Thank you for these.

[@whitefantom]

This episode is great and full of awesome ideas for shutting off the inner critic/editor that many of us are plagued with constantly, but my actual favorite part of this whole video is Marshall singing GlaDOS's song from Portal. 💜

[@bm4114]

My inner critic sounds like Stan.

[@Mariposa-rgb]

One of the best episodes this year! I feel very inspired and motivated to try Marshal’s exercises! And it was nice to see Stan leaving aside his contradictory/mocking nature and just give it a try!

[@cory99998]

I love Marshalls interpretation of that song, I'm listening to it and can totally hear the road

[@therealcryss]

Thanks for this great episode! It would be great if Marshall would offer more online courses in the future! Let the whole world be Fullterton College.

[@marimoerostraw]

I'm only 25 mins. in the video but I already love the emphasis on 'un-stifling' ourselves, getting that metaphorical "stick" outta our asses and letting our drawing process loose, great stuff as always guys! 👍 (here's some 💕❤💕❤❤ for Marshall)

[@simonenguyen]

This is the most exciting episode I have seen from you two. Yeah the previous eps are also fantastic and informative, but this one is truly the best answer for my concern about Art. Thank you so much.

[@savvygarcia7862]

I loved this episode! Just what I needed right now in my art journey 👍😀thanks so much guys

[@KevinAmatt]

I think it’s the only episode I’ve watched all the way through. Art history is something I’ve studied for most of my life. Countless books and courses.

[@mr.krinkle1177]

"One of the reasons i don't like abstract painting is that i think painting is a duality and abstract painting is an entirely aesthetic thing. It always remains on one level. It is only really interested in the beauty of its patterns or its shapes. We know that most people, especially artists, have large areas of undisciplined emotion, and i think that abstract artists believe that in these marks they're making are catching all these sorts of emotions." Francis Bacon

[@michaelroven5308]

listening while I draw, I love you guys so glad we get a season 3. Draftsman are the shit!!!!!

[@AnaEdigaryan]

Julian Barnes, one of my favorite writers wrote "Keep an eye open". Highly recommend

[@TaniaRouserArt]

I was to an art museum yesterday, trying to take pictures and videos of Claud Monet’s color transitions in the sky and the greens. It’s pointless. Now I know it’s going to be memory paintings and go from memories to reveries. Yes to expression in impressionist paintings! Thank you!

[@margigreene4395]

Forgot to say - rating this program a '10'! Good stuff! When I hear or see the words 'Abstract Expressionism' , concerning the art movement by that name, I always think of my son's comment: "Abstract Expressionism always makes me grumpy".

[@dagstianrisanger6460]

10! So enjoyable and full of knowlage! :)

[@lunab541]

One of the best thumbnails so far

[@jessicamoreno1303]

I can relate so much when Master 🙌🏻 Marshall talks about the analogies between visual arts and music at minute 30:40. My native language is spanish (im Argentinian 🇦🇷) so, when I hear songs from bands like "Rammstein", "She Past Away" or "Kælan Mikla" (German, Turkish and Iceland bands) I just focus on the abstract expresionism of the song, and I love the fact that I cannot understand anything they are saying but I still can empatize with the feelings they are trying to evoque. Greetings from a faithfull listener of everything you post.

[@TheColdCreature]

Marshall singing Still Alive ❤️ great episode guys ❤️

[@siasleopard2668]

My favorite episode. Amazing work guys

[@Astryca]

How much i enjoyed the episode? on a 9/10 scale? hmmm i'd give it a 9.8!!! Great episode!

[@Orozus]

Enjoyed in a scale of Van Gogh to Kathe Kollwitz. Thank you Marshall, and Stan!

[@zacharyfeldman9842]

Great podcast! I really thoroughly enjoyed the fact that Stan did the little memory drawings during the cast, but also the work at the end. It would be fantastic to see more of that, with little works to see at the end based on the discussion topic. I think links could be shared for audio listeners too. Thanks guys!

[@Sethalnwick]

Great episode!

[@NickRossi]

This is some of the best content I've ever seen.

[@pjlewisful]

art is communication / communication is art....that's what I learned from this today.

[@pagina_1316]

I listen to the podcast while i'm drawing, i barely pay atention to it but it helps me practice more time without losing focus and also having fun.

[@stratovolcano7813]

Love the art history chat!

[@rayssamartins2052]

10/10! Thank you guys, I loved it! xoxo from Brazil💚💛💙

[@margigreene4395]

I am currently taking Marshall's Composition Bootcamp - really enjoyed the discussions of the exercises and of course, the 'show and tell' part of the program of your reveries.I consider Reveries 'frolicking with art supplies' and have really enjoyed doing them! Before always felt I was somehow cheating when just playing in this manner with various media. Kind of like when I was in second grade and the teacher would call me out in class for looking out the window and daydreaming instead of focusing on what ever lesson I was supposed to be focused on. Reveries have a sense of 'legalized daydreaming'. Thanks!

[@diego_segura]

I'm also taking the composition bootcamp, and his explanation of memory drawing in this episode really clicked for me: kind of writing a journal but with pictures.

[@Mi6ueLCarbajal]

ufff, you hit me with this episode! best one so far! more videos on Art with a capital A please!

[@pibyte]

45:32 "I am so glad you are doing it." "Yeah ..."

[@M4573rm05h]

Oh, it was a reaaaally nice and enjoyable episode, pretty much as all the rest of the episodes. Greetings from México!

[@spiderspyy]

The highlight for me is stan singing the portal song

[@jhonnyaguilar1128]

I enjoyed 11 out of 10, as realistic art oriented person was a delightful, eye openner and inspirational podcast. Thanks you 2 are awesome ❤️💯💥

[@MarkWhippy]

There was a character in Hey Arnold called Oscar Kokoshka, they pronounced it the way Marshall said it. Probably because it kinda rhymes that way.

[@sanemevren6667]

I've listened to 80% of your podcasts and this one is the best !! 10/10. I've listened to it in July and then for the second time now, takings notes in my notebook (3.5 pages!). Thank you so much for this incredible podcast which helped me move a little bit forward in my inner search/interrogations : what kind of artist do I want to be? What is important? How should I train?

[@leontermolen2356]

I really enjoyed this episode! :)

[@TheJoshLange]

Great episode. I'm fortunate enough to make movies for a living, but the craft definitely imposes itself and becomes second nature--this can be a kind of cage if you're not careful with how you yield it. My friend John Pena does daily drawings of moments he experienced, going back many years. He's a master at emotional recall.

[@firrycel]

yes i enjoyed it very much , i learned so much what abstract really means , 10 as usual

[@kyststudio-epicartadventure]

10. Keep your art alive by keeping some risk, and you can do this through allowing a portion of your work be only experimental.

[@lulamidgeable]

Have to see The C of Caligari on a big screen to really get those sets. It's wonderful.

[@havefundrawing]

10 I loved this episode! Mostly because I'm taking the composition class and he explained the exercises here better than in the lecture. We need Stan as his TA to ask "Wait, what?" in his marvelous lectures!

[@arthurhenriquecm]

Awesome episode!!!

[@lunab541]

If I were to do the daily composition exercise during quarantine it'd be just a bunch of drawings of my room :´)

[@diego_segura]

Yeah, by this time all I draw is my food xD

[@rolitae]

Oh, man! I love the Power of Art series, wish they had made more.

[@nonono9681]

I dont understand how this season is getting better and better, back in the ctf video i thought it was over.

[@lanigirognithemos]

Did Martial play portal??? I never imagined he would know that song lol!

[@charnich]

Marshall hasn't played Portal, but he had students who introduced him to the song

[@mindthecorner]

This episode became even better when Marshall sang 4 seconds of "Still Alive", from Portal.

[@t-bonebigears]

Interesting to hear your opinions on expressionism. I also have a Schrute farm's beet winery shirt 😮

[@jscb87]

Marshall next course: How to draw in perspective... with portals!

[@mikkelmelby]

just watched alot about bernini, ty for the suggestion!

[@runargisli9694]

Hey Draftsmen. I’ve recently started listening to your podcast and lm hooked. I’ve heard Marshal and Stan talk about comic artists and writers in some episodes and I would really appreciate a podcast dedicated to comic book artists and the medium in general, since you recently did a wonderful job with the Cartoon podcast I thought it might be good timing to talk about comics. Thanks :)………..and I rate this podcast a 10 ;)

[@didi1406]

Include mangakas as well!

[@spiritedtalesfineart]

Brilliant episode 10/10 🎉

[@galaxy_mosaic3587]

this is a really timely topic for me. thanks for talking on this. I feel like I'm in the point where I would like to explore the more intuitive aspects of art-making, I also feel like, "can't ditch the academic parts altogether". I'm flip flopping between the 2 approaches but actually combining them is a bit challenging. kind of blending the artprof training approach (be thorough with fundamentals/craft) with the sketchbookskool sort of mentality (play/explore/make a mess).

[@bluebrightstar1117]

I've been unintentionally doing a mix of the memories & reveries exercise, I try to draw the person's emotions through their eyes (using just line art) and watercolors then adding an abstract "background" with lines while listening to music. But sometimes I end up drawing my emotions not the person intended...

[@YTuseraL2694]

Kokoschka (or "kokoška") in Serbian (which is kindred to Russian) means chicken..

[@luba5569]

same in polish hahaha

[@SPBHJ]

Stan needs to do some art history reading

[@ArtofComics]

YES!!

[@jmurillo7922]

There was a time and place where I was locked an echo chamber of fear of messing up. Recently I started to acknowledge that fear instead of resisting it. I enjoy art more now I am more expressive but yet I still have times set up to create academical work.

[@hArtyTruffle]

Lol… 9.5 (nothing is perfect no matter how hard we try 🤔) I’m so creatively stuck due to a nasty virus called 50% perfectionism + 50% life trauma. After seeing Kathe Kollowitz expressionistic work, I’m inspired to atleast try to do both these exercises over the next year. Thanks so much to you both. I’m really enjoying your vids.

[@SnuubScadoob]

10 hands down, how could it ever be anything less?

[@ArtofComics]

I do really look forward to this, sometimes though, in topics like this, Stan does feel like he's out of his element. It's okay to be not a master of all topics, but I'm feeling it a lot in this epi.

[@rosscberman]

9 - always remarkable.

[@whatsleft100]

Watercolour (especially when you don’t know how to use it ) is wonderful for letting go

[@reddogquin]

11 I have a brain tommer and am having trouble drawing right now so this hits home to me thankyou

[@mf--]

I cut a rectangle ratio into an old gift card for using as a small thumbnail frame when Marshall spoke previously about composition studies. After doing that for a while, I found myself making small rectangles of tone and pattern much like the reveries discussed here but less guided.

[@jvballatore]

Really entertaining, thank you. 10+

[@ebrahimebrahimi710]

"Look at me still talking when there's science to do" Marshall is a portal 2 fan? I did not expect that

[@TheBarrierDesigner]

9.785/10 got back in touch with some of my art school flows :3

[@bozmundarts2614]

Something that deeply worries me is that people think you can be accurate or innacurate, there isnt in between points, isnt there infinite ways to say the same in common language? Well this is visual language, if you follow Stan's academic drawing style i understand but the truth to me is using the design of shapes and forms, with a bit of geometry and being able to position things around, alligning them up n' such like with perspective, seeing steve huston working opened my eyes to see drawing and even realistic drawing can be much more easily played with, you dont need to give up all expression of yourself for someone else's methods, unless they push you to being creative about how you draw, put down marks with your tool and slowly put something together as an idea we can tell and feel what it is...

[@anoukadel6397]

I am convinced that the key word here is "play", playing like a child. The focus should be on the "act" of playing, not the result. The resulting painting/drawing is just a record of the play, as you would film a child playing. This end result is of no importance (to the child), it is about the game itself, just for the sake of it. A good (daily) exercise could be: draw or paint something and make sure you have as much fun making it as possible, and you decide beforehand that whatever you make, afterwards you 'll tear it to pieces and throw it away (and make no of the photo's of it). The focus should be on observing yourself, noticing when you're having fun, noticing how you feel when you're really experimenting, and drawing loosely. That's what you should try to replicate when you create your actual art. Try not to imitate the end result, but the process. Just my humble opinion ;-)

[@kipz]

19:47 stan's description here reminded me exactly of how peterdraws describes how he draws in his videos

[@amarin8600]

Look at Peter Draws on KZbin. He just does lines, it's awesome

[@MulierWouter]

Great episode! 9/10!

[@adrianmatic9832]

Great Stuff

[@sofiavillanueva4219]

i enjoyed it

[@ThePillent]

Holy cow. Never thought I'd hear Marshal l sing "Still Alive". I could never even imagine him knowing what Portal is. But here we are 45:35

[@juanchavez1689]

10 LOVED IT!!!

[@Darker4807]

How is Marshall singing 'Still Alive' I'm going to cry

[@saguu6552]

I lost it when stan try to sing while Marshall was away💀💀💀

[@redalert697]

It was very very cool episode! I woudl give it 8 or even 9 if you asking on scale. But I don't like marks or judging. I like your talking about art beacsue there is so much passion and curiosity you can hear from your talking, that it's way more isnpring than what I have got by proffesors back in day.

[@Ejerciciosfilosoficos]

Does it happen to you that the sketch suits you better than the final result?

[@duanysdomaindur8342]

I'm singing the intro every time😁😁😁

[@LALA-nk8pm]

Marshall: Like someone in front of a window in a room. Stan: That's you 😂 I can't stop laughing 🤣😂 You two are the best!

[@Lavalamp-yk1zo]

56:19 that’s the face of an amazed pupil.

[@dianefoley2556]

You know the memory and revert exercises are working when your imagination expands and opens unexpected directions in your work.