Google Stadia - Is Cloud Gaming For Real? - Extra Credits

[@extrahistory]

What's YOUR take on Stadia?

[@sannelohuis2958]

I am not sure about it. 60 fps and highresolution? On the internet?

[@dylanbrito727]

Might be a good thing

[@iliakaikaci]

I think it's very good and inovational. I hope it will work in some years

[@JamesWilson-px9dh]

Maybe? There are so many things that need to work and if any of them go wrong it's all for nothing. Even if it works there are caveats, like said latency and infrastructure.

[@rasho2532]

It will fail cause almost no one has the connection to stream 4k

[@Cyfrik]

This _terrifies_ me. Like, seriously, if this is widely adopted, it could create huge issues. A topic that was mentioned in passing in the video, which I think should be focused on a lot more is *preservation.* I mean, we've seen before how games that depend on a central server have a tendency to get shut down a year or two after release, becoming impossible to ever play again. If games in general were to become a streaming service, in the vein of Netflix, that kind of stuff would happen on an even larger scale. (To continue the Netflix comparison, keep in mind how they have a tendency to make certain movies and shows unavailable after a while.) Like, people are already complaining about modern games having unfair DRM. This is going to be so. much. worse. If games are to be taken seriously as an art form, we need to be able to preserve them for future generations. Having them depend on external servers to work makes that impossible.

[@MegamanStarforce2010]

Other options will always exist. Steam will always exist. This doesn't kill anything, it only provides more options.

[@dynamicworlds1]

To say nothing about the whole issue of Google getting frighteningly huge that looms over all news about them.

[@Inogat]

I know right, what if I want to experience WildStar or Warhammer Online Age of Reckoning just as a single player, no way to do that, no official ways at least and even the unofficial are not super efficient. To me it's a huge issue already. I wish MMOs when they died released a single player version. Make us pay for it I don't mind but make it happen. They don't even need to tweak the numbers, players would figure out way to balance it etc as long as it's available.

[@urby000]

This is a pretty big problem on steam already, where many games simply refuse to function without steam authentication, so if steam one day goes under or something else happens, that game will literaly become unplayable(pretty much most games on steam that aren't cracked). Many game developers/publishers are also really pushing this via "online only play", meaning if they decide to shut down their central server, bye bye gameplay. it's one of the many reasons why i'm very supportive of a company like nintendo, while some of their games lose functionality once the online mode for a system(DS) gets shutdown, they game is still very much playable, you have a cartridge of it, and you can pop a 30y old game in it's system and just play within the minute.

[@Darth_Bateman]

So I wasn't the only one who thought of this.

[@Nes_Cartridge]

Anytime I see Stadia, all I can think of are all the digital only games that have vanished for one reason or another, never to be seen again (Scott Pilgrim, P.T., etc)

[@jenkins_onpiano]

NES yes!! And Scott pilgrim was such a great game

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

Is there no way to play Scott Pilgrim anymore?

[@Ultranist]

@@SomeFreakingCactus yeah through rpcs3 emulator

[@9seed.]

Stadia will guarantee that game preservation dies.

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

@@9seed. I feel like there are a lot of game companies that are perfectly fine with that concept and this annoys me to no end.

[@kevinkerkhoff6670]

The preservation aspect is the main reason why I will never use such a service. I want to be able to play my game in twenty years from now.

[@nolanjshettle]

like many others here, you're confusing "using" such a service with "completely replacing my current practice of buying and downloading games with streaming them and never buying and downloading anything ever again"

[@sonictimm]

5:00 "How modding is going to work.." It won't. Could you imagine if Spotify let you remix songs you've purchased? Or if Netflix let you export video clips to make memes? ... Enjoy thinking about that. Lawyers don't.

[@natetuimaseve7426]

Except your wrong?

[@taragnor]

Yeah modding would be dead. Do you think google wants to let people install custom modding software onto their data centers? That'd open a ton of security vulnerabilities.

[@ironpro7217]

@@natetuimaseve7426 I'm sure google will let an unauthorised person plug an unknown USB into their data centres to upload their 'skyrim mod' (definitely not some kind of malware that will cause millions of dollars of damage)

[@nomobobby]

Yeah, Vanilla only games is a real buzzkill. There's a lot of sandbox games like mine craft that I would not play on there service without them. Many other games get a lot of extra playtime out of them.

[@propoppop9866]

You could if you gave everyone their own exe

[@Lugmillord]

Bad connection + latency = I'm not sold right now.

[@pirateboss1128]

Parsec is the same thing it's nothing new

[@lewesc]

Yep. Within the short to medium term I think the best people can reasonably hope for is that the service has less input lag than existing offerings and opens up more types of games that feel reasonable to play on a streaming service. You're not going to get CoD, Apex or Darksouls - but you might get Overcooked to a playable state.

[@taragnor]

@@lewesc Yeah, and FPS and other real-time action games are the most popular out there. Just can't see many people buying a gaming service that doesn't do FPS.

[@senshi01]

latency won't be a problem.

[@nidohime6233]

Also lack of games, a console without games is a dead console.

[@hellishcyberdemon7112]

Just remember everyone with a streaming service you can't: Mod said game Keep saved progress if you forget to pay Repurpose art and other game assets (like Ross Scott wants to do) Host dedicated servers Can't play said game without internet connection

[@Ails1234]

Poor Ross is gonna have nightmares over Stadia lol

[@hellishcyberdemon7112]

@@Ails1234 no kidding it's going to be like Vietnam PTSD for the man

[@jonnunn4196]

#2 probably won't be an issue; I imagine the default sign up screen asking for a credit card / debit card with the defaults payment settings with both auto-renew and auto-pay on that you'd have to turn off if you didn't want them on. Also imagine if for some reason you turned auto-pay off, the next time you log in whenever there's a balance due a big "pay now" button... And another checkbox on that screen on by default saying "turn on autopay".

[@hellishcyberdemon7112]

@@jonnunn4196 still you shouldn't have to pay to keep your save games

[@Spookynoises125]

1,2 & 4 are all possible. 1) You can probably mod in the same way you can with steam workshop. 2) I imagine all save game data would come with like a year backup without paying 4) You could probably use the service to host dedicated servers in the same way you can purchase one online.

[@ivoze1735]

Im not a big fan of the "Always Online" type of deals... Hard Pass, for me at least

[@rattmane]

fallout 76 agrees with you

[@elementallynx493]

IVO ZE Aye.

[@rahmatbanua7009]

IVO ZE agree, sometimes offline games are the nice too

[@pokedude900]

Personally I like owning my games. If I can't hold it in my hands or save it to my hard drive, I'm not paying for it.

[@pokedude900]

@Olivier Goulet Other entertainment mediums are different, though. Preservation isn't a concern for them because they're trivially easy to make copies of (legally or otherwise) and use on almost any device you can think of. You can't pirate a streamed game and save if for the day the servers go down and the only legal option vanishes.

[@pokedude900]

@Olivier Goulet This service seems to primarily be for singleplayer games to begin with. And even multiplayer games can still be preserved if people make their own servers. The Wii's online community still exists, for example.

[@lauraschantz9058]

@Olivier Goulet I still buy CDs and DVD/Blu-ray in 2019. When I get a Kindle book, I go into calibre and make myself a personal EPUB copy without the DRM, in case the book is removed from Amazon's store for any reason at all. It's not what everybody's saying. Redundancy is KEY to keeping your files, and I don't want to relinquish that control to Google of all people.

[@kodaskii5042]

Olivier Goulet There’s far more singleplayer games than there are online, though. RDR 2, Metro Exodus, and practically all indie games.

[@stefanosgeorgiou8828]

Just play fortnite

[@rasho2532]

Sure people of Africa India and Latin America have phones but they don't have the required connection.

[@kennedytheretard975]

i am in south america and i play CS GO competitive and i say, ping is fine at 90-120 then bang! 300 and 5 fps pc is good, internet is expensive, but dammit, for get bad net and 300 ping out of nowhere, sucks alot

[@jascrandom9855]

I live in Asuncion, and i have 20 Mbps (+Cable) for about 80 U$D. At least i won't have to buy an expensive Gaming PC or console to play AAA games.

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

I do, thanks VTR (chile)

[@elisraine384]

Why would they even have phones if they didn't have internet

[@rafaelbordoni516]

@@elisraine384 They have internet, just not as good as US or Japanese internet and more expensive.

[@jacobguillerey4476]

two words : singleplayer games. It would be nice to play when you have no connection right ?

[@Humbird00]

Single-player games make all of this completely redundant. All you need is a CPU, and literally everything has one of those... usually with an integrated GPU as well.

[@fernandobanda5734]

Ummm... Didn't you hear the part about playing on your phone anywhere? Switching from phone to other devices? Not needing any good hardware at all? Many modern games demand a huge investment in a PC, single-player or not.

[@Humbird00]

I dunno, Luigi's Mansion 2 seems to be running pretty nicely. And Mario Odyssey has pretty good framerates.

[@happyguy0105]

Fernando Banda True, but I think you missed OP's point. Stadia streams your game to you, which means you are pretty much screwed out of the games when a) you have bad Internet or b) the games were removed from the servers. Yes the gaming hardware requirement is much lower, but on the other hand the demand for Internet speed/ bandwidth and networking equipment would skyrocket to support the high quality gaming experience back to you. So in the end, you would still need some higher-end equipment to play high quality games, it's just in other parts of your gaming experience

[@fernandobanda5734]

@@happyguy0105 I get the cons, but OP said there was no pros in single-player games, as if game streaming had anything to do with multiplayer.

[@icuh]

Basically, your ISP is killing this dream coming true (not possible in NA for sure)

[@tomjackal5708]

i mean, canada is in like,,, a _slightly_ better situation but yea it's prob not gonna work here either

[@tuuudes3449]

@@tomjackal5708 Canada may be better in terms of average speeds in some tests, but our ISPs have been ahead of the curve in implementing terrible restrictions and billing methods. We had data caps on home internet in our major cities before most of the cities in the US did, and if you eliminate the rural parts of each country, Canada is not in any way better than the US in providing internet. Pretty much all of Europe and big parts of East Asia have blasted way ahead of North America in internet infrastructure, and the gap only seems to be getting bigger unless you can afford super expensive high speed connections.

[@martinmagar5148]

How is this any different from streaming Netflix? That seems to be running just fine.

[@icuh]

@@martinmagar5148 I hope you watched the video. The problem isn't much of displaying video medium, it's latency from the input. I honestly thought this video made clear of that. -> 2:00

[@StellaEFZ]

>Not possible for NA I think you meant SOUTH AMERICA

[@MidwestArtMan]

Oh, Comcast, never change. I’m kidding please change very much.

[@TymersRealm]

In urban areas with decent infrastructure, maybe... I live in the middle of farmland with a over-the-air, DSL-like net connection. I can barely manage the couple of MMOs I play and modest video streaming. There's no way in hell something like what Google's planning will work out here. Not until better 'net infrastructure is well outside major urban areas.

[@crypticcorvid]

Same, lol. I'll stick to actually owning games I can play offline.

[@justanotheruser6468]

As someone from germany, I dropped tears like rivers, as I am living in a (small, but still) city, and I got 6 mbit/sec download, which isnt even stable, I cant even watch youtube on 720 p all the time

[@Humbird00]

So... I imagine that means Phantasy Star Online then? That MMO worked over a freakin' dial-up modem!

[@Silshadnic]

2:08 ha that "processed" thinking face really got me idk why

[@Derekivery]

Comcast: We're the worst and we don't care Yep that checks out

[@airracer28]

CenturyLink too

[@meatharbor]

Can confirm.

[@qwertyman1511]

make sure you don't own anything and keep paying us for the privilege.

[@qwertyman1511]

@Kristofer Quem? do i want to own Sex and the City 2? no. do i want to own the Witcher or Pokémon, hell yes. i will only use the first once(maybe) and the second one for months or years. the cost of playing bought, non-service games is flat and therefore lends itself to longterm ownership and enjoyment. the cost of renting a library for a limited lends it self to a brief experience and will at best be fleeting.

[@CornishCreamtea07]

@Kristofer Quem? Sort of, but at least you can still download a movie via over sources, you can not do that with a game that is being streamed to you.

[@LordBaldur]

Kristofer Quem? Games are a different form of media from movies. You cannot mod a streaming service.

[@qwertyman1511]

@@LordBaldur you can, sometimes. but you are not allowed to do all mods, like mods with questionable IP law (cough cough thomas tank engine cough cough)

[@LordBaldur]

QWERTY man and that is the problem. Companies don’t like mods. They are too pro-consumer.

[@kailomonkey]

You didn't address MY main concern (besides internet speed/stability) which is what price models will be like. Getting gaming to poorer regions as suggested in the video won't happen if the prices are extortionate. Once you take away all other options, people who want to play a game will have no choice but to pay whatever the service has set!

[@JohnJRM]

If it's Google we're talking about, the monetary price would probably be pretty lenient, while the cost in personal data would be high. Google makes most of its money through personal data collection that supports advertising and marketing services.

[@teriinekoyama1369]

That's because Google hasn't spilled the beans on that yet. Best bet is maybe an E3 presentation/stream.

[@FamusJamus]

Every time you die you're forced to sit through a 30-second advert. Only partly kidding, some TF2 server owners already do this and give you popups mid-game, while trying their best to make the game unplayable if you disable the function that the ads depend on. And then the ads are so bandwidth-heavy they get you kicked from the server for high-ping anyway.

[@romankampelmacher4685]

You forgot to mention the Ads on each loading screen..

[@DLCSpider]

I know I shouldn't complain but can we have an "old school" game design episode? Something like Depth vs Complexity, Negative Possibility Space or Minimum Viable Product.. I miss them :(

[@TehVulpez]

I don't like the precedent of not owning your own copy of a game. Microsoft claiming that their software is a service is already creepy enough.

[@yoyofargo]

Stadia is going to be about as successful as google+.

[@jazzfan1994]

Forced down the throats of everyone who wants to use a genuinely popular service?

[@SpecterVonBaren]

Let us hope so.

[@lucasward9506]

I hope so.

[@yoyofargo]

@@jazzfan1994 yup.

[@teriinekoyama1369]

I wouldn't put money on that bet.

[@mfoltran]

The questions about ownership and preservation is what scares me the most

[@bartz0rt928]

Yay, another thing we won't own anymore! Another thing that'll cost an infinite amount of money, just payed in small increments! Another service where what you can enjoy will be determined by whether a giant corporation deems it sufficiently profitable to keep it available! I've kind of soured on the whole concept of streaming, in case you haven't figured.

[@festethephule7553]

My thought exactly.

[@Humbird00]

This is already the case with digital games. But at least with those, you can hack the console before the end of it's life-cycle and backup everything. So you can, you know... keep what you paid for?

[@Cometpluto]

This is one of those things where it's a matter of "humans are lazy idiots that'll take the easiest route, so get the hell off your high horse and come join us"

[@Humbird00]

Doesn't take much effort to turn on a console. Sure, you COULD push the power button to wake your phone, or you could push the power button to wake your console. They're just boxes with buttons.

[@lucasward9506]

You could probably save enough money to buy a console or pc with the money you would be paying for a cloud gaming service.

[@adrienconverset6571]

This doesn't even covers half of the issues with Stadia... 1/ ISPs just won't endure that level of data stream. 20Gb/h and per player is really huge. 2/ How do you pay developpers and game studios ? Do you pay once to own the game, or do you pay a month/year pass to "rent it" ? 3/ Privacy issues ofc. 4/ Latency is gonna be an issue 5/ Call me old fashion, but I still enjoy playing some really old games. What's gonna happen when some servers will get shut down because not enough players on it ? Does that mean the game just dies forever ? Or do I have to buy it AGAIN to play it on a personnal computer ? 6/ Skyrim long life span is due to modding. What happens to modding ? 7/ Call me stupid, but will Stadia charge users by machine usage ? Like a tetris will cost less to run than a Star Citizen ? Or is it by output ? Like a 4k output will cost more than a 720p ? And what's the upside ? Not having to upgrade my computer every 3 years ? Well it's not like there are more and more "low quality" indiegames far more interesting and fun than the overmilked franchises like Far Cry, CoD, etc ... Subnautica, Doki-Doki, Undertale, FTL, and Papers please come to my mind, but there are a lot more. Also at some point some companies will realize it's better to have an awesome gameplay and/or story and average graphics than awesome graphics and overmilked gameplay and shitty narrative.

[@hugoleofer]

Stadia will be for smartphone money trap games. Those that don't depend on latency, could use the extra graphics that are limited by the multitude of devices, lower the battery consumption and system memory used for installs. In the world of real games people are buying 120hz monitors and unlocking fps limit for that extra small decrease in lag input. Fast response is a must in gaming and Stadia can't provide it, even with all those datacenters. Multiplayer games already have enough trouble sending those small packages of data, now imagine sending large ones like 1980x720 pixels of data, 60 times in a second. So yeah, this is a thing for a few types of games and mostly adressing smartphone needs.

[@UllurValdisson]

You forgot to mention that you don't own the games in any capacity and if Google finds you undesirable as a customer in any way, congratulations! You've involuntarily overcome your gaming addiction!

[@teenkitsune]

In sorry, but I think getting rid of physical games is a bad idea, having a tangible product out of the box is how we still have the games of yesteryear today, and going away from physical mediums means that was short lived and the games of today won't be playable 20-30 years later. Plus it's just better to have something you can hold forever rather than a bunch of zeroes and ones floating around for a finite number of years.

[@ironsfamily6]

Even Steam I'm more comfortable with then this. At least Steam let's me keep my installs!

[@dustypants9326]

There is also the potential to charge for graphics: ie. SD: free, HD: 1.99, UHD: 4.99 But I'm sure there are other sketchy business practices that could be implemented that we haven't thought of yet.

[@NathanTAK]

That actually sounds relatively reasonable; it demonstrably takes more computing power to render in 4K than 480p, so charging more sounds about right

[@jonasn5]

why is this sketchy? It'd be completely fair for them to require a relation between how much average consumption you're gonna take and how much you get.... Additionally if done right it shifts pricing such that lower end is consumer friendly while high end remains for those who can actually afford it. A good game doesn't give a danm if its not full on HD - its gameplay, storytelling etc that carries it.

[@Arafor]

How about targeted in-game advertisement that no ad-block in the world can save you from? That is Google's business after all: advertisement.

[@NathanTAK]

Arafor Yes, *that* would be bad, especially if you’re already paying for the service

[@dustypants9326]

@@NathanTAK I disagree. I have no incentive to pay for a service that my computer can already do if I'm going to be charged extra for resolution.

[@deanspanos8210]

That's not a good image of what its gonna do to games.

[@Chirpysemperboy]

@Adjcent Depends on how it is used. In the wrong hands, it could become a "pay us so you can play the games you bought" service, which is NOT good. Plus, I don't like the idea on having all of my games somewhere I can really do anything with them. I like having my games on my laptop/PC and being able to know that I still have them if, for whatever reason, something happens to the server they are on.

[@ygorko3834]

@Adjcent Because absence of ownership, absence of preservation and absence of modding. And if this thing succedes, the effects on the entire industry will be pretty grim for the general consumer.

[@Feanarth]

@Adjcent in addition of giving up ownership it also will pay developers for time spent in their game. No one will pay "per game" prices while having a streaming sub going, so they pay creators by the minute of consumption. Imagine what this means for the game's design. Games will be designed to keep you hooked, which isn't necessarily equal to "having fun". Also, devs will be paid pennies for designing small or short lived games.

[@zebobez2715]

I hope to be able to play Dwarf Fortress on this system. Ordinary computers are no match for lag death.

[@albertagungbillisupangkat6584]

imagine generating a world that has been going for 2000 years in there

[@Obe4ken]

But can Google handle a catsplosion?

[@Mayeur000Donz]

I'm sure there're still folks posting the "Old man yells at cloud" meme in reference to those of us who have qualms about this, but if this ends up becoming the standard somehow, that genuinely would have awful long-term consequences.

[@Theraot]

3:51 Ha! keep dreaming ... This game is not available in your country

[@MrThewooter]

The fact that this is informative AND addresses issues is so so good compared to the last few months when Dan was the speaker. I'm so glad game theory is a bit more impartial again.

[@matthewhoffman7082]

I, personally, can not *WAIT* for Stadia. There is nothing better than unresponsive controls, rubber banding, and disconnections in online play. These things need to be brought to single player to truly deliver peak 11/10 gameplay experiences. I'm amazed that they haven't done this already! The extra data usage is just a bonus. If you're paying for internet anyways, might as well use as much as you can, right?

[@dande3139]

Here's what I want: I want the option to buy a game, and have it "always be mine". I don't want DRM interfering with what I legitimately paid for. I want to be able to play "offline". I want to easily be able to play local multiplayer. Here are the problems with current video streaming services: Movies and TV shows go silently off the air, and I can't revisit them. Only a handful of shows are actually good, and the rest are garbage. Can't watch "offline" (certain streaming services have fixed this). ISP throttling, because companies don't fork over for priority bandwidth. Lack of accessibility to certain shows and movies outside the streaming service. Really, ISPs are the worst. SUPER corrupt. They form regional monopolies. They give bad service and fail to keep their equipment up to date. They nickle & dime you. They regularly increase their prices the longer you've been a customer with them.

[@z-beeblebrox]

It was waaay too appropriate that my wifi dropped out at 0:21

[@darkmage07070777]

In addition to what's discussed, this has shades of the SNES BS in Japan to it; the games there were only able to be preserved due to a saint of a player recording the broadcasts, else they'd be lost forever. This is that with no way to preserve the game at all if/when the plug is pulled. I'm not really interested in this at all. We're already starting to lose entire years of games due to central server requirements and Steam DRM lockout; I don't want to accelerate that by having the platform itself be outside of my control.

[@thelorebrarian2266]

With the amount of mods there are for Skyrim, they would need their own server.

[@HeyImDaki]

I absolutely don't trust my internet connection to pull off something like this

[@safir2241]

Get rid of ISP corruption, & we’ll have it in half a decade.

[@1wayroad935]

Castle Super Beast talked about this pretty definitively. This isn't going to work.

[@MegamanStarforce2010]

Sooooo it's a Switch but needs an internet connection and potentially dies every so often? Yeah I'll just stick with my Switch then

[@flaviusclaudius7510]

Oooh now I can have 100+ms lag on single-player games too!

[@DensetsuVII]

Frankly I'm surprised they didn't bring up the fundamental ownership issue with streaming - that like with the rise of video streaming services, we're moving toward a model in which you fundamentally don't or can't own the media you engage with. If Stadia did work (and like a lot of people seem to think, it very well may not work) it would hasten a world in which not just physical releases but downloadable releases at all became less common. Lack of mods are just the beginning - think what it would be like to want to play a game and realize stadia's license for it had run out and it's just not available - and if you've been assuming you'll never need a system to play those games on - you may have no recourse at that point. If only because so many have tried before and all that's changed is Google is 'bigger', I feel like the hype for this is overblown. But were it to work, I'm not sure that'd be entirely good. So maybe all is well with the gaming world after all...

[@DJDavid98]

Fun fact: People don't even own games on Steam, since as per their ToS people only buy a license to use the game, not the game itself. The only games you truly own are the ones you have on a physical disk, and even then, only the ones without online DRM as their verification servers could - or might have already - gone down as time passed.

[@sonictimm]

At this point, we legally don't own games, just the license to play them. But even though that's the law, we still physically hold the media and the files. So you're right, that would be one more step in that direction. Even so, it's hard to visit the Internet Archive and play SimCity for free in your browser without thinking "this is so much easier than buying a Windows 3.1 machine from an antique store and installing the game from a floppy disk"

[@Draktand01]

Imagine choosing Natsuki and then seeing an ad for a lawyer.

[@LimeyLassen]

W E ' R E N O T E V I L

[@tyler-kn7vc]

I’m just excited cause stadiu is using Linux in the back end which means new games are likely to get Linux ports. I’m so sick of windows and I’d like to switch to linux

[@Galomortalbr]

maybe in ten years, i don't think we have good enough infrastructure to have a low enough ping to play games via cloud in real time. but for turn based games like CIV and old FF, this crap have a great potential

[@DerettoAlexiel]

Shadow is already doing this for pc...and well its spotty at times.

[@drdcs15]

You know what kind of data I really want Google to have? I would love for them to have access to how all of us make our decisions on a deeply fundamental level. That'd just be greeeeaaat

[@overlordlettuce]

Came for the insightfull knowledge, stayed for the tf2 cameo

[@jacobs279]

Agreed

[@bobbyferg9173]

Honestly dealing with spies with bad wifi is bad enough, just imagine someone with bad wifi also streaming the game itself. You would get backstabbed from your spawn room.

[@Goblinoiddoof]

2:22 That pyro is me literally EVERY time I play TF2. Glitchy, laggy and ping 999.

[@copperlaktronics6705]

Don’t forget! The server has to be in Luxembourg or Virginia!

[@Goblinoiddoof]

@@copperlaktronics6705 which is a pain when u are British.

[@_ZimZam]

I think you mates should have touched on the things you only gave a passing mention to, like modding and preservation, a more lengthy look. Compared to lag/latency, I'm pretty sure those are much bigger problems for this kind of online service gaming.

[@EvilDMMk3]

Watched this on my phone. Google stopped the video twice to run searches, one for frimley and once for absol.

[@wel0ud996]

Shadow tech is streaming entire game systems and I heard only good things about it.

[@CalebJMartin]

“When your game drops below 30 FPS” Jokes on you, I’ve never reached 30 frames in my life.

[@LightningCayo]

After my experience with PS Now, and Resident Evil 7 on Switch, I’m not going to try the Stadia. We’re just mot ready for cloud gaming

[@cintron3d]

Point of correction, I'm pretty sure the tech is such that the controller streams your input directly over wifi to stadia. It's not going from your controller to your device to your router to stadia. It's directly from your controller to your router to stadia, while the stream of your game is directly from stadia to your router to your device.

[@Theraot]

What happens to your progress in those games? What happens to your progress in those games... ... When google suddently desides to shut down the service?

[@mastergamer5972]

Well your fu**ed

[@beegmaan1306]

I want more of Matt's holy singing

[@MaxIzrin]

Video streaming only works because you can buffer it. Online games only work because the data being sent is minimal (no graphics, just positions of things, and event triggers, to be parsed locally). So... there's no network on the planet that can support this. It's a pipe dream. As for poor people, speaking from experience, getting a PC, and sailing the high seas, is the cheapest option. The games cost more than the hardware that runs them. Fun little fact: gaming consoles are sold at a loss. The more you know.

[@danime91]

Only true for Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo is actually able to turn a profit on every system they sell. Mostly because they don't care about the whole graphics arms race.

[@Humbird00]

It's bascially streaming video + minimal button inputs. What's a few extra bytes?

[@MaxIzrin]

@@Humbird00 20GB per hour according to Google's own estimates, that's several times more than a Blueray movie for the same length of time. More than "a few extra bytes".

[@jimmyc.491]

Glad to see you're living the stream, Matt! ; )

[@WithYouIDisagree]

"Standardize development" Ah, yes, I look forward to the day when all our computers are Chromebooks and Google has a monopoly on everything.

[@juanmam.2113]

Everything but movies and series cause that will be Disney's

[@error10137]

This could only ever work in countries that have the most wide spread and up to date internet infrastructure in the world like South Korea and Japan. Even getting this to work well in the U.S is nearly impossible and if you live in a rural area forget it.

[@Aliensthemovie]

I have a feeling that y'all don't like Comcast ...just like everyone else

[@GarrigKitten]

That opening just sold the whole video. XD

[@leops1984]

Google kills off services they get bored of. Ask anyone who relied on Google Reader. No, no, HELL NO!

[@joelou]

I love the point they made about which type of data Google will collect. Can you imagine receiving targeted ads based on which decisions you made within an RPG?

[@SkyenNovaA]

No thanks i'll stick to my PC

[@Humbird00]

... and my phone. ... and my tablet. ... and my smart TV. ... and in a few years, probably my GPU accelerated toaster.

[@lucasward9506]

@@Humbird00 When your toaster needs an RTX 2080

[@L4Vo5]

I think it'd work if games were still able to be downloaded and played offline and on your own devices (while being able to sync your game data with the cloud whenever you want). Basically as long as nothing is Stadia exclusive you'll still be able to choose the best option depending on your situation (bad internet, old game that's not supported anymore, etc)

[@crankyfox]

Not enthusiastic about Stadia. So far its just another "game streaming" service. Personally I play most of my AAA games on steam, with a high framerate ultrawide. Logistically googles servers already deal with crunching lots of other data, so adding games to that just adds more problems, multiply the amount of users on steam with the base hardware configs for top tier games, and you have a lot more load. Honestly I think gaming will always be better on dedicated hardware whether a console or PC. After all the point of the progression of computing is to have the power of a mainframe in your backpack, not to return to the age of thin-clients and mainframes. Yeah, I'll take a hard pass.

[@isaacschmitt4803]

Just as you got to Comcast and just how terrible their service is, my video stopped to buffer. I think they heard you. . .

[@pamesman]

I like extra credits and all... But you just said data instead of data

[@Spankyhs]

My understanding was that the Stadia controller was internet connected and optimized to eliminate the controller latency described in this video. Having the input optimized like allows the video to stream based on the bandwidth limitations only.

[@TornadoADV]

I like to own my games, thank you very much. Hard Pass.

[@AM-we1es]

You don't really own them tho

[@TornadoADV]

@@spinnis I guess all these gameboxes just hold hopes and dreams then. Also, I'd love to see Steam revoke my ownership rights when the games reside on seperated hard-drives not connected to the Internet.

[@TornadoADV]

@@AM-we1es Then it's one heck of a fever dream I'm going through, imagining these physical media boxes in my house since my childhood. Do you think I should see a doctor?

[@skm221]

The nonchalant shots on Comcast are great

[@ShadowWolfRising]

I find it amusing that Streaming Video games and online only games are single-handedly being denied by shady ISPs. I wonder if a large company of some sort will file a lawsuit towards said ISPs for threatening their business due to that.

[@Humbird00]

Now abstracting away any compatibility problems might have value, especially for less technical people. But there are two problems with relying on streaming to avoid that. 1) consoles already exist. 2) server based solutions are inherently temporary. No computer stays turned on forever. Every server is destined to shut down eventually.

[@saphi20]

i prefer owning the games and consoles, not renting them

[@ItsmeInternetStranger]

People prefer owning movies too, but Netflix is still massive.

[@IonicFox2nd]

@@ItsmeInternetStranger Movies are less than 3 hours long (typically) and don't save anything (other than maybe a time stamp) so you just watch it once and put it away. Games include histories of accomplishments and saves that will go away too if the game is dropped from the service.

[@CrimsonSlug]

As an Australian there is almost no chance this will work here. Our internet is hopeless. So I really hope that they don't make anything exclusive.

[@JustJobbe]

How is no one comparing it to Geforce Now

[@gegeji6442]

Stadia is not gonna work in my country because the internet here is slow as hell compared to nations and apparently it is "Neuland" for our politician so nothing is going to change soon

[@VexelExe]

still think we should be putting our efforts into VR technology instead of this dumb streaming stuff

[@superforresttie1032]

Well this aged well

[@catowarmeowson9964]

There was a delay even at the GDC, streaming is a meme

[@threeofspades663]

I mean... it's cool. If everyone has gigabit+ connections. So if you have home fiber? Maybe. Otherwise, no.

[@Ebalosus]

Even with fibre, you would still need to live within 300km of the datacentre because the speed of light is a hard limit in reality.

[@kivipaperisakset3999]

OK. I think I'm finally ready to accept the new narrator. Good video! What have I missed?

[@michaelrobinson166]

No to Stadia. LET ME PLAY MINESWEEPER WITHOUT AN INTERNET CONNECTION!!!

[@rachelslur8729]

This is your daily reminder that *AJIT PI* is the head of FCC right now.

[@TobyDeshane]

Even if it's perfect in every other way, if this takes off and it's popular, streaming is a disaster for game history preservation.

[@andyperrott4284]

I lived in Nowheresville, PA for a majority of my life. I never knew highspeed internet until I moved to Pittsburgh. That being said I see this being a no-go for a majority of communities.

[@ITPalGame]

Just use Shadow and get a full Windows 10 desktop where you decide what to load on the PC and not being limited to a library offered to you.

[@shawnheatherly]

Stadia sounds interesting in concept, but I'm not comfortable with the idea of not actually owning my games.

[@evanadams5110]

The flop on this was hard.

[@closecalltheseventh]

I cannot believe this video didn't take on questions about revenue generation models. Stadia could potentially disrupt a TON of game genres depending on how players are actually paying. This could potentially put a lot of developers out of a job.

[@sord3377]

What does one thing Google has a lot of? Your personal data? even the cat got it correct....

[@WithYouIDisagree]

4:21 that illustration makes sense for data throttling, but not a data cap.

[@bulldogmadhav5762]

You should do an extra history video about the battle of Blair mountain.

[@saramuoz]

Cloud/Streaming gaming is completely dead in the water as long as modern ISPs continue their stranglehold, at least in the US. I already have enough issue trying to stream HD video with my ISP, nevermind games.

[@lucasward9506]

Nvidia's Geforce Now is inherently better, change my mind.

[@SilverAnicore]

No more "Pay once, play forever." - Instead it's going to be "Pay every month, never own anything." It's the gaming industry's wet dream. That's why they'll make it work sooner than later.