The Pazzi Conspiracy 3: Street Justice | Italian History | Extra History

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[@NoName-hg6cc]

Lorenzo: "Guys, calm down and keep a level head..." People: "BLOOOD!" Lorenzo: ".....what did I just say?"

[@guiorgy]

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" Wait, aren't we christians?!

[@ArchArturo]

… uhhh , blood?

[@euansmith3699]

"We are keeping a level head, Duke Lorenzo! It is acting as a door knocker on the Palazzo Pazzi!"

[@jte7438]

People: "BLOOOD!" Lorenzo: "Well, who am I to fly in the face of public opinion?"

[@NicoBabyman1]

There will be blood (blood) shed (shed) The man in the mirror nods his head The only one (one) left (left) Will ride upon the dragon's back Because the mountains don't give back what they take Oh no, there will be blood (blood) shed (shed) It's the only thing I've ever known

[@PalmelaHanderson]

I've never seen a story that so encapsulates the phrase "if you come at the King, you'd best not miss."

[@orlando71434]

Specifically it’s “if you swing at the king you best not miss” and oh boy did that priest miss

[@thutata2161]

I mean they got 1

[@orlando71434]

@@thutata2161 to be fair the missed the king and hit his brother, not the kind of trade you want to be making

[@shadiafifi54]

@@thutata2161 "Close enough" only counts for grenades and horseshoes, not political coups. In fact, "close enough" is the worst result you can get for a coup, because then the survivors would retaliate with a vengeance.

[@daniellane1605]

​@@thutata2161 you must be new to this channel and history close enough NEVER works out

[@amdreallyfast]

that escalated quickly

[@Gillemear]

Nika! Nika! Nika!

[@gamewatch6861]

That's an understatement.

[@djudju8047]

Fight for democratie.

[@handle25]

I mean that REALLY got out of hand fast!

[@Celestial_Reach]

its a good lesson to keep in mind. i find ive been saying ti alot recently, people speaking of revolution. i undertand, alot of us have things to be very upset about. but once violence is on the table, well, it tends to hurt everyone

[@MalikF15]

Lorenzo: I don’t want massive upheaval and street justice to occur The masses: we are going pull a professional move

[@Visplight]

Well, technically he just said "don't harm the innocent." He never said they had to be chill.

[@joshuafrimpong244]

A pro-medieval move

[@christianweibrecht6555]

Commoners: our bloodlust frenzy will be 100 times more intense than that scene from smiling friends

[@ОлегКозлов-ю9т]

"please , harm no innocents" "DUDE, READ THE ROOM, COME ON"

[@Solqueen86]

Lorenzo: I don't want any innocence to be harmed. Town folk: THERE ARE NO INNOCENT!

[@NicoBabyman1]

Innocence proves nothing

[@hullutsuhna]

INNOCENCE PROVES NOTHING!

[@KidsSamra]

Lorenzo:Yes ...there...are

[@Solqueen86]

@@KidsSamra Saladina Hinequarters of Naple: NO THEY AIN"T!

[@awesomehpt8938]

Lorenzo de Medici: execute order 66 Florence: yes my lord

[@stevecooper7883]

Pazzi family: "There are too many of them, what do we do?"

[@KhyannArts]

misread the tittle as "the pizza conspiracy" and was really confused for a second lol

[@hancocki]

now thats an episode i want to see

[@BrandonBDN]

>italian history

[@410Kian]

It ends with me eating it all

[@ОлегКозлов-ю9т]

​@@410Kianoh, dude, spoilers!!!!

[@JorneDeSmedt]

Ah yes, that time the Pazzi put pineapple on pizza.

[@Teddeck]

Wow, who could have predicted that an act of breathtaking treachery, infamy, and sacrilege would in fact *not* endear you to the populace?

[@DeathOfMorality]

Especially when you defile a holy place and invite a foreign power to invade. Turns out people like their holy places and hate foreign armies, who could have predicted that?

[@niceofgames]

Brutus and Antony: You too? The Pazzis: Yep…us too..

[@Yggi11]

"Yeah, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation." -Francesco Pazzi

[@denimadept]

Used the head as a door knocker?!? That's impressively creative.

[@jg2323]

It sounds kinda ineffective though. Like how much noise would it make? I suppose if you let it rot down to being a skull or put something hard on the back of it...

[@Scot-p1v]

@@jg2323OTOH, I suspect it would cut WAY down on unwanted visitors.

[@spiso3087]

Finally 4M subscribers, still an underrated channel

[@briannamcdaniel266]

I agree.

[@LukeSky2207]

Hey, altar server here. Although they did orchestrate the attack during the consecration ("raising of the host", as mentioned), but the bells ringing during it is very normal. Nowadays we ring small bells inside the church, on parishes and chapels, at least.

[@rennor3498]

The very noticeable fluidity of the whole situation. Each side has its own moment of perpetrating bloodshed, and then the civilians of Florence become accomplices as well. Violence just creates more violence, and from there everything degenerates into a chaos from where the ultimate result is not partial for who was actually right, but who is still left standing.

[@nyxstyxian9567]

One possible correction. I'm pretty sure that while Sixtus excommunicated the entire Medici family and the city officials of Florence, he didn't excommunicate the entire population. Rather he put them under "interdiction" which prevented the sacraments (such as the Mass, weddings, or funerals) from being publicly performed in the city. The main difference as best as I can tell is that the interdiction only applied to the place, so in theory a Florentine could visit another city-state and receive the sacraments, but clergy could not perform them in Florence.

[@kanedafx]

That pope was so petty. THEY STARTED IT!

[@jorgelotr3752]

@@kanedafx Well, when you have the highest authority in your surroundings and things don't go your way...

[@alessandroolivieri7]

You are totally right. It happened other times in the middle ages (don't know if a thing like that happened also in more recente time).

[@ecurewitz]

@@kanedafxand then he wondered why everyone was so angry

[@RyanIversen]

Background fact, but I'm pretty this started around the beginning of the protestant reformation so yeah.

[@Emperor_Oshron]

i first learned about the Pazzi Conspiracy (and that Renaissance Italy wasn't ALL about the famous artwork) courtesy of Assassin's Creed II, and a bit of basic reading afterwards showed me for the first time that, within reason considering what the game is, Ubisoft really WAS doing their job right in properly alluding to history when i saw the then-contemporary illustration/woodcut/whatever of Francesco Pazzi having been hanged from the top of the building, which is show in-motion in one of the game's cutscenes, though not precisely as described here (that is, Francesco still had his clothes on :P)

[@AGiantTalkingLizard]

Well, yeah, I don’t think any gamer would like to see a naked man being hanged.

[@Emperor_Oshron]

@AGiantTalkingLizard very true ;)

[@denimadept]

@AGiantTalkingLizard Consider what that would do to their age rating, unless it's already "M"?

[@AGiantTalkingLizard]

@@denimadeptnaw it’s just I wouldn’t like to see that lol

[@Emperor_Oshron]

@@denimadept oh, i'm not complaining about it one way or the other XDDDDD

[@sennaka]

I saw part 3, I immediately clicked. This story is one of my favorites - this mess was CRAZY.

[@joshuafrimpong244]

WHERE IS THE DUKE OF URBINO? I MUST SEE HIM! Oh, he's here

[@joshuafrimpong244]

MY GOAT HAS ARRIVED!

[@kayleigh0711]

Aaaaaaah! There he is! There he is😊

[@ecurewitz]

But not for long. He knew he wasn’t wanted

[@kayleigh0711]

@ecurewitz yup. Dude noped out so fast

[@niceofgames]

@@ecurewitzMan looked at Florence and said “Oh my, look at all this “not my problem” going on here” and DIPPED

[@funghi2606]

No phones, just people living the moment

[@UndineOwens024]

Halfway through and AGOG at what is happening here. If Rob has truly been waiting since *high school* to tell this story, holy cow, his self-control is impressive. Good grief.

[@euansmith3699]

Florence is an amazing city; and, like all historic European cities, has a very dark and chaotic past.

[@boyscouts83712]

So the Pope is pulling a John Wick 3: ExCommecado style on Florence.... OUCH

[@ForgottenHonor0]

"We are the Papacy." "And WE...are Firenze."

[@dinooats9876]

Gonna have to rewatch the Urbino episode but I thought Federico was portrayed as someone who was famous for never breaking an oath/contract and that Italian families would pay his mercenary group just for the assurance he wouldn't attack them. Though his involvement/portrayal in this episode contradict this, especially him planning to betray his fellow conspirators from the start. Obviously historical characters are never truly exact to any one portrayal of themselves but I think his involvement in this plot is definitely worth digging into a bit more during the lies episode!

[@tdardz-20q3]

Yes that's ture but he hated both pazi and medeic and he want Florence for land and art and because the pazi didn't make an agrment he just came so did though he was on there side .😅

[@adrianng8367]

My exact thoughts as well, will have to rewatch the Urbino video again l8 just for comparison

[@richeybaumann1755]

Yeah you're right on that. I think they misinterpreted the sources on his motivation. He may have wanted the Republic gone, but he wouldn't have been the type to betray his patrons. He was legendary for never switching sides, something unheard of among condottieri, and never breaking a contract for personal gain.

[@annekeener4119]

My gut is that Frederico thought the plan was a stupid one and that even if the Pazzi managed to kill the Medici, the Pazzi would die as well and he’d have the city.

[@random-one4413]

2:21 Mobs: Attack the mercenaries as they enter the city. Mercenaries: "NIGERUNDAYOOOOO!!!"

[@NicoBabyman1]

“SMOKEY!”

[@Canhistoryismylife]

Lorenzo de Medici- the attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed

[@rubenoliveira7133]

Emperor Gellatino...

[@andromeda331]

And now we shall have peace.

[@MortusVanDerHell]

Yup, the disclaimer was appropriate. ...and Vlad Dracula now seems really mannerly after this insight into civilised Florence in Catholic, pious Italy.

[@Boretheory]

Still better than the constant violence of the people in Germany where the lack of church control led to constant civilian witchcraft processes.

[@jamestown8398]

I think you neglected the religious aspect. A murder took place in a cathedral, during mass, on a religious holiday. It was extremely sacrilegious.

[@George_M_]

Fear vs hate vs love, Machiavelli would have a field day analysing this. And it circles around to him being right - fear of Medici reprisal driving all that performance of love.

[@joshuahunt3032]

Hell, the entire fields of sociology and mental health studies would have a field day figuring out what in blue blazes happened here lmao

[@joshuaescopete]

The first time I ever heard about the execution of Francisco Pazzi was in the movie Hannibal(2001). Dr. Lector subjects a police detective to the same fate, who was a descendant of Francisco.

[@ОлегКозлов-ю9т]

What was the point about gutting him though?

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

​@@ОлегКозлов-ю9т In the NBC version, the "gutting" was Hannibal reenacting what is an alternative version of the tale that has that...

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4 freaking million to start the new year. Cheers to the EH Team, we love you Matt!

[@javierpatag3609]

I was super looking forward to this chapter after the cliffhanger that was the failed double assassination. I WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS LEVEL OF VIOLENCE AND RETRIBUTION BY JUST FLORENCE'S ORDINARY CITIZENS. 😲

[@sirxander5420]

In my admittedly few years on this earth I have learned that no matter how cruel fictional characters can get, real humans are much more cruel

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Reality doesn't have the restrictions fiction does, such as needing to be believable.

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[@alexandersuperapple]

Imagine what would've happened had Lorenzo *not* told them to keep calm.

[@richeybaumann1755]

"Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!”

[@treymoment]

Thank you extra historians. I was having withdrawals. I was just BURNING AND DYING to see what happened next.

[@Lusophile_Monarchist.]

"The crowd didn't want justice... They wanted BLOOD"

[@wanna-be-thinker2377]

This should never be a surprise!

[@coxmosia1]

I knew very little if anything about the Italian Renaissance and Middle ages. I intend to research more about this subject. Thank you for covering this time period.

[@MaxEG-i3w]

"Excommunicating all of Florence" Im sorry *ALL* of Florence? "Sorry my dear walls but you've been EXCOMMUNICATED"

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[@thomasdaywalt7735]

Lorenzo: Do justice Mob: blood

[@IronpenWorldbuilding]

The art in this series has been spectacular

[@Queen1001N]

4:06 And to make matters worse, they did it on Easter Sunday, one of the most important days in the liturgical calendar.

[@germanomagnone]

as i "said" last week that the Pazzi think they can get away with it, but as brute and cassio it doesn't go according to their plans! (but honestly I wouldn't have imagined how the Florentines had reacted, almost worse than the "squid game")

[@thetruerift]

Granted it was in the name of other oligarchs, but I am very much okay with the defenestration of rich oligarchs who threaten to disrupt functional governance. That has no relevance to today, of course.

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Frederico de Montefeltro. Now thats the name i havent heard for a long time.

[@euansmith3699]

It sounds like it should be followed with, "You killed my father; now, prepare to die!"

[@dragonghast5856]

Lorenzo : Please dont harm any innocents Florence: that means we can harm anyone we deem not innocent right? Lorenzo : Wait no that's not- Florence : BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[@justinalicea1590]

I hope we get to learn a little more insight from the surviving Medici. After all, with an opening on how he called for calm justice and how the crowd responded with a calling for blood, I'm curious if we have any information on how he personally felt about the resulting bloodshed.

[@denimadept]

Whatever they said would be self-serving. The winners write the history.

[@nm7358]

A lot of pent-up rage were released on that day. Pressure had been building for months.

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[@leonz8000]

6:07 It was, in fact, Walpole

[@AGiantTalkingLizard]

The Camio of Fredrico de Monteveltro made me so happy

[@AGiantTalkingLizard]

Cameo*

[@AHersheyHere]

Even Kurgan knows better than violating the sanctity of holy ground. To do so, would be accursed.

[@euansmith3699]

"I have something to say. It's better to burn out, than get defenestrated!"

[@FakeBlocks]

Please do the 1821 Greek Revolutionary War against the Ottoman Empire next! I've been asking for this since the first episodes of the Sengoku Jidai!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

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[@paulsillanpaa8268]

“Do not harm the innocent!” [mob draws entirely the wrong message]

[@crazyman8472]

*CALL FOR STREET JUSTICE!* 👹 -Twisted Sister

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[@gunnarsonfalkenberg8135]

9:00 I guess kids were just a little different back then

[@sandhya315]

Damn video games 🎮

[@denimadept]

Sensitivities were a bit... other.

[@nm7358]

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

[@rjnilmandir]

Public executions were not just watched by kids, but by whole families in a "let's got to the park for a picnic" kind of way. The more high profile the execution, the larger the crowd.

[@moyo2850]

Even today when you do some dirt, you dont do it at a church. Hell all sunday morning is a truce.

[@invisibleman4827]

You should do a series on Simon De Montfort and his contribution to democracy.

[@nintendoman12111]

I know you warned us and i was expecting the brutality, but what they did to Jacapo Pazzi's corpes after his execution was just... jesus.

[@denimadept]

Consider what happened in London after the Gunpowder Plot. Though I'll agree that this episode here was larger.

[@AdrianColley]

Welcome to late medieval Europe!

[@justicedunham4088]

Where is Ezio Auditore de Florence in all this? Lol

[@ajprime2000]

it's interesting to see this kind of plot ended not by an organized counterstrike or noble led reprisal, but simply the sheer rage of the general populace. I am not really sure if it would have turned out different had they killed both brothers. The sheer level of sacred taboos they broke, to kill one of the most beloved figures in the city is insane. That level of hate could well have led to a similar level of violence even if there was reason to believe it would be opposed.

[@XMarkxyz]

Another account recalls how the retinue of Salviati more likely storm Palazzo Vecchio looking for the gonfaloniere who started running away in the palace: first in the kitchen where he armed himself with a skewer until finally running up in the tower and locking doors behind him while ordering to ring the bells to call for the citizens until finally reinforce arrived and massacred Salviati's troops as described

[@isaacverhelst3983]

1:55 NO, NOT FEDERICO! I thought he was cool!

[@canadianbigmac3501]

Well he is a mercenary so money is a good motivator

[@flyingsquirrell6953]

Urbino may have been nice, but why be content with that when you could get Florence and break the Patzi and Medici? He would, overnight, become one of the most powerful men in Italy after only the pope.

[@rennor3498]

At home, behave as you like, outside ... act in accordance with how much strength you have.

[@HeatherRider]

This went 0 to 100 real quick. 💯

[@sensorcelled]

"This episode does get pretty brutal" "Oh it can't be that bad... Oh. Oh wow..."

[@despinasgarden.4100]

I find it pretty unfair that Jacopo Pazzi's corpse had the worst treatment of all 3 of the main ploters, considering he was the one who was most doubtfull about the murdering the Medici brothers.

[@richardgreen49]

These historical facts are presented in such an interesting manner.

[@NickJohnCoop]

When people are biting the *corpses* of Pazzi retainers, it’s a sign to get out of town if you had been a supporter.

[@joelleelhage6093]

After this series can you do some episodes about Lorenzo daughter Catherine de Medici who is famous for the Saint-Barthélémy massacres in France

[@vskywalker10]

“If it bloods it leads” was a saying for a reason

[@Paveway-chan]

This turned to Game of Thrones levels of creative savagery real quick, good lord 😆

[@philtkaswahl2124]

"This episode does get pretty brutal" A lot of history in a nutshell.

[@mattdarrock666]

I'm really enjoying this particular serie (despite your attempt to hide Ezio Auditore's involvement). I'd love if next you'd tell us about famous explorers, such as Cartier, Cabotto, Magellan...

[@Solqueen86]

You know the pope was probably packing all his breadsticks in his purse just in case 😂

[@tjm11015]

"What shall it be? Bowels in or bowels out...? "

[@chugachuga9242]

So it’s pretty safe to say the Pazzi underestimated how much Florence loved the Medici

[@gafeleon9032]

This whole story sounds so much like echoes of the late roman republic

[@awesomehpt8938]

Where is Ezio?

[@jereschr]

Excommunicating a whole city is just crazy 😂 imagine if today pope just said "Yep... Imma just excommunicate the city of Moscow because a plot failed that I supported so sorry fellas, I guess you're all going to hell".

[@caiawlodarski5339]

I think the whole mass mob violence had something to do with it...

[@joshuafrimpong244]

Especially the fact that his guys committed sacrilege

[@magicaltour1]

The entire country of England was excommunicated. Twice.

[@jereschr]

@@magicaltour1 Well not really a miracle since the whole Henry VIII thing.... And also while his daughter Mary was catholic, Elizabeth again wasn't.

[@Emanon...]

That's just economic sanctions today. Which regularly happens. Unless you're Israel - then you can do whatever you want.

[@oopsy444]

The real question is how does walpole fit into this?

[@ChesireWaltz]

This is incredible. My dnd politics are about to get 200% crazier, I am so using the door knocker thing, and when my players tell me how bonkers it is *I can make them watch this series*

[@warrenchapoton2089]

I have been waiting years for Fredi de Montefeltro to show up again!

[@Baelor-Breakspear]

Wasn’t this whole story mentioned in the movie Hannibal when Hannibal Lectar threw that detective out the window and opened his guts while doing it? Hannibal did it because the detectives name was Pazzi and he was in Florence.

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Congrats on 4 million subscribers 🎉🎉

[@ChristopherKetcherside]

This is why you always have backup plans…

[@richeybaumann1755]

This is something that nobles don't get: the commoners may not be aristocrats, but they _do_ outnumber you like 5000 to 1 and love to tear their stuck-up hereditary overlords to pieces when they get the chance.

[@christopherg2347]

2:29 "Maxim 45. The size of the combat bonus is inversely proportional to the likelihood of surviving to collect it."

[@masterplokoon8803]

They really botched everything. Took out the more popular charismatic brother and let the smarter one escape while destroying their own reputations.

[@jameskarg3240]

NEVER attempt to seize power from those who raise a nations status. Let history show: It ALWAYS ends badly

[@CommonSwindler]

Really, REALLY good series. We need a Frederick II the Stupor Mundi series now.

[@OhSkyeLanta]

6:43 yooooo killing an archbishop? In Italy? How did they justify that? I ask in a “how did being kidnapped by foreign kings not mean you weren’t pope anymore/had lost god’s blessing” kind of way.

[@funghi2606]

Italians aren’t that religious

[@nm7358]

@funghi2606 Still priests then were placed under church jurisdiction, and not secular juridiction. Executing an archbishop without proper trial gave Pope Sixte IV the justification to place his interdict on Florence.

[@andreabianchi6156]

​@@nm7358we are more cynic than religious of we have to choose. Yeah that gave the pope a justification, but they were against the Pope anyway,like manyy others city states. Italians Always cared more which side are you on and who appointed you " man of God", because certainly It wasn't God himself.

[@Royce16727]

Humans are going to human… The same hands and mines that built a beautiful city also ripped people limb from limb as a method of political communication… we contain multitudes…

[@CosmicAggressor]

Wow. I expected a certain amount of blood and death. Not an outright tidewave of blood.

[@lucalovagnini691]

Fun fact: a young Leonardo da Vinci witnessed Bernardo Brandini's hanging and took a sketch of it (you can easily find it online)

[@sourwinee]

this has gotta be the most tensest series!

[@thomasdaywalt7735]

7:00 ma ma mia thats savagery the italians are beasts

[@rjnilmandir]

No one does revenge quite as well as Italians.

[@yvenusbeshears5287]

Actually I heard a Hooded Assassin killed Franchesco De’ Pazzi just as Jacopo De’Pazzi was yelling libertal.