10 Amazing Cars With 1 HUGE Weakness

James and Thomas revisit a concept that they first explored in 2020. That means that they are being lazy at making content, and doing the classic Hollywood thing of just doing a sequel rather than coming up with something actually fresh and original. But in this case, it is at least a whole new set of cars, with updates to the old video. We hope you enjoy! But also its extra Throttle House so you're just enjoying some bonus stuff at this point. Good for you. SUBSCRIBE!
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[@doctorgrover2287]

The problem with the Elantra N is that it comes with the possibility of having to interact with a Hyundai dealership.

[@willjames3735]

Nah, I rented one to give it a shot because I was really excited and there's a hell of a lot more than that

[@robertleidner9703]

That’s weird, I’ve actually had great experiences. Each and every time I bring it in for the same problem

[@psyberiusblack]

And the GDI engine with the short lifespan that will get you to said dealership sooner rather than later.

[@thiefrules]

@@willjames3735 but did your rental go through a Hyundai dealership? Did you have to interact with the dealership when there was a problem with the car during your rental? The car itself might be good, but their dealerships where you have to visit for warranty work is another story

[@usonumabeach300]

​@@thiefrules did you read his entire post? He said there's more wrong than just that...

[@Doodelz02]

"The steering is good until you hit a corner" is probably not what Ford execs hoped to hear. 9/10 for the line itself. 11/10 for the delivery of said line. Well done!

[@JasonThaiKennedy]

Everything said here is 100% spot on. Manufacturers take note. ******ing capacitive touch and everything screens has to go. It is an exercise in cost savings, and we the consumer have had enough!

[@pauliewalnuts240]

I dont even understand it and I'm not a 70 yr old. How is it different than touch screen? There's no buttons to touch per say, so you'd do a jerking off motion to turn the volume up? What this says to me is that vw doesn't understand why people buy these cars. Make no mistake, the only reason youd spend $50k on a golf is for the performance. Enthusiasts don't care about the tech as much as the performance.

[@gryphon123456]

@@JasonThaiKennedy it was a cool experiment but we tried it and found it completely daft for auto applications. They need to go back to buttons and knobs. Have a screen for maps and maybe song selection and that’s it.

[@re14437]

Agreed! Shocking that Tesla stayed with a single screen in the refreshed 3. Others have learned the lesson. Hopefully they will soon!

[@exparrot9074]

VW largely had mastered the user interface with Mk7. Android Auto/Car play, traditional three knob HVAC interface, a knob for volume, and buttons for heated/cooled seats. The Teslafication of the Mk8 ruined an otherwise great car. As someone who prefers a mechanical analog watch to an apple watch, I wish manufacturers would still offer analog dashes instead of going all digital. I appreciate that more information can be provided with a screen, but it looks tacky in most cases. Current gen Mustang especially guilty

[@pilotdog68]

​@@re14437 Tesla is the one that started all the giant single screen nonsense. They'll probably keep the same formula for a long time

[@rmp5s]

9:26 - "The steering is good until you want to turn." --James, 2024...🤣

[@drewwrobel564]

I was just so happy that the Mustang only had 1 glaring weakness this time!

[@rmp5s]

@@drewwrobel564 Too bad it's a rather large one. 🤣

[@Rom3_29]

Avoid - Cars and Coffee.

[@williamhardes8081]

that would make a good shirt.

[@drgonzo123]

I also HATE this new trend of just using an iPad instead of a proper gauge cluster. It really bothers me, enough to make me not even want to consider buying the car. I’d get a slightly older GT.

[@raynaldidwicahyono7022]

15:16 "It's easy, you just need to learn it first" With such logic I can confidently say that making an atomic bomb is easy, ordinary people can do it, you just need to learn it first.

[@918_xDx]

The hardest part is getting the second intern to quit shaking his screw driver while its wedged in between the beryllium shells or he'll get to see the blues whether he wants to or not. We'll both be dead but so dead itll take a day or two for our bodies to realize they dont have any legible DNA to know how to do cell stuff 😂😂😂

[@jacobrev6567]

Yay Extra Throttle house couch is back

[@redlinedrifts69]

TH casting couch

[@the-boring-car-guy]

@@redlinedrifts69😨😨😨

[@S8ER]

Would never go anywhere near that couch with a blacklight. 😬

[@NLLHW]

Re: the GR86, oil starvation is the main issue. In high G corners, the oil pick up is not effectively recirculating the oil and overtime wears down the engine. 900BRZ has done extensive research, and the most effective and most simple solution is a larger oil pan with baffling. Verus Engineering is currently finalizing that design, and the prototype has proven to be effective on track. (I only care this much because I've been holding off on buying one)

[@chrissimmons9969]

My son is buying one but he has no intension on tracking it. I thought I heard that Suburu had already added baffles to the OEM oil pan. Is that not true?

[@z32luvr]

I heard the rev hang is also a problem.

[@NLLHW]

@@chrissimmons9969 As far as I know, both cars in OEM condition exhibit the same oil starvation issues. However, there is basically zero risk of this in normal street driving.

[@leospaceman2976]

@@z32luvrthe laggy feeling throttle kind of sucks too. Easy aftermarket fix though.

[@timmywil]

The 911 S/T weakness makes me sad. Even if I had the money, I probably still couldn't get one. That truly is the main thing that sucks about Porsche.

[@treles]

Its almost like they dont want to make money, because they dont benefit from the price gouging on the used market for them, for instance in the UK on autotrader there are 2 S/T for sale, but they are £470-480k compared to the starting price of £230k that porsche got edited to remove the 3rd that is marked as sold, so its just to draw traffic to their site

[@_My.Name.Is.What_]

Then first make this amount of money! I bet you’ll find fun in a lot of other products as well brother 😉 cheers 🍻

[@ytsux9259]

For that money, I'd rather have something that looks much much more exciting, such as a Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren, NSX, etc. That thing looks so boringly similar to all the other 911s.

[@_My.Name.Is.What_]

@@ytsux9259 tell me u never drove a serious 911 without telling me u’ve never drove one, is what ur comment sounds like 😅 please go and drive one u will change your mind, i promise u! Once u will push 911 close to the limit u will change your mind. It is not about the looks and beeing the fastest on paper. It is about how EVERYTHING is connected together and how frickin awesome everything works in reallity 💪 nothing what you’ve mentioned will give u this feeling, nothing!

[@tomekkaminski2677]

You could still get Carrera 4s targa and feel like king of the world.

[@yanboa]

That Ioniq 5N guy was coping HARD…

[@May-ms9wg]

"Drifting is too intense to do complex tasks such as shifting"... Does he know that drift cars have.....manuals with clutch and e-brakes

[@photobriangray]

ACKSHUALLLY

[@michaellee7841]

Yea you can feel his anger in the letter.

[@gigachadgaming4195]

Anybody who buys one shouldn't be taken seriously

[@thelegend3981]

I bought a ioniq 5N, and it's amazing but yes I biggest issue is those menus. It does take awhile to learn it but I think they should do a update where they just make simple modes. Drift, drag, Casual and so on but also yes why does sound cut out when I hit the NGB button. Plus have you seen the manual for the car? Looks close to a small dictionary.😂

[@theapplepaul]

Agreed with this entire list. Additions: M5- thought the weight was a typo. It's not. Base 911- no manual option WRX- comes with its own plastic shipping crate. Wait, that's the car? CT4-V and CT5- V- small trunks for a Cadillac.

[@kirrus17]

come one mate, trunk space? Sure we can forgive them the trunk space =) They are such amazing enthusiast vehicles (they've been on the market for god knows how long and I'm still not used to using the word "Amazing" to describe a Caddy)

[@theapplepaul]

@@kirrus17 true, I feel like a grinch for even pointing that out. Two of the best cars America has made. I saw a CT4-V in front of me the other day, looked the business too.

[@americanAlienBoy]

A Honda with a 2nd gear synchro problem? That's only been happening since the 1st gen Civic in the '70s.

[@gordonmills2748]

I saw a Ferrari Roma a few years ago in the wild. It was a deep red color that's hard to describe. It was like a black cherry at sunset. If I had stupid money, I'd buy it just so I could walk away looking at it. I'd suffer through the rest. Which is the old Ferrari way, after all...

[@ayolamditshwa]

"It comes back... more than you dad did"😂😂😂😂

[@volcom52002]

That comment was so hilarious 🤣

[@cameronrabideau3208]

That guy pissed about the Hyundai N has gotta be a one of their engineers. I have met several of these guys in the USA and they are all temperamental like that.

[@mediocreman2]

Engineers being stubborn, self-righteous, and often wrong in the long run. Nothing new there I guess.

[@braddeicide]

The biggest problem with the S13 Silvia, is they don't make them anymore.

[@DeepRacer-zr4yp]

As with most legendary cars, emissions and safety regulations really ruined it.

[@Caffeinated-DaVinci]

The biggest problem with the S13 Silvia is that it's an S Chassis Nissan. Nissan makes fun cars, not good cars, and the S Chassis were some of the worst in that regard, but also the most fun. They've always been the exception to Japanese reliability, but the cars are fun and you could previously fix them yourself. You know why you don't see them on the road anymore? Because some kid who played Need for Speed begged his parents for a crapbox S Chassis, towed it into their garage so he could fix it and now it's rusting away in there because they're really hard to get running and even harder to keep running, especially if you're not rich. I love Nissan, I LOVE the Silvia, especially the S13, but I know about cars and I'm aware of Nissan's overall reliability and I'm aware of how awful S Chassis's are.

[@solacemusic242]

I have a theory about Porsche (aside from the pandemic, parts shortage and all that): At enthusiast events, porsches are a dime a dozen. 911's are everywhere. Granted, the GT cars are rare, but I think Porsche is trying to keep a mystic with the GT cars. Unfortunately, the rest of us don't get to enjoy them. And it is not even a matter of "just work harder". It's an ol' boy network with a members only sign.

[@areitu]

More or less. They figured out it was better to milk a few dedicated wealthy Porschephiles than it is to sell it to any enthusiast

[@r0b3rt_959]

The dealers are the problem.

[@charlottetownspud7903]

The 2nd gear grind is an Acura and Honda thing. Owned a 2002 Rsx Type s back in 2003. They had to replace the syncros and still didn't really solve the problem. 20 plus years later still not solved .😮

[@d34thby1337]

I used to have an 8th gen Civic Si, forum guys claimed an EM1 clutch master cylinder was the fix.

[@charlottetownspud7903]

@@d34thby1337 i did hear that one too

[@chrissimmons9969]

I have the current CTR and knock on wood so far I have not had the dreaded 2nd gear grind.

[@viveklego]

I have an 03 RSX Type S. CMC kit from hybrid racing fixed the high rpm grinds by eliminating the delay valve, but the occasional 3rd gear wall is still there. Seems like Honda makes great transmissions with atrocious syncros.

[@charlottetownspud7903]

Yes i forgot mine had that 3rd gear block as well. Glad you found a way to improve things a bit ​@viveklego

[@JustNope7]

Still think just slapping tablets all over the dash is a lazy negative. That Mustang cluster is just 2 rectangle tablets. It looks bad to me. If you can't incorporate into the dash more than that, just don't do it. Toyota has been doing the same thing for years.

[@QuandaleDingle-_]

I have been saying the same exact thing lmao, bmw does it the worst in my opinion

[@oliverradcliffe7974]

It is just lazy, agreed

[@TylerSmithMusic1]

To be honest I agree but I don’t love Toyota interiors. They are to pricey to have such simple interiors. I know the quality is there. I just want a little bit more for what they charge

[@TheCth777]

I really agree. It’s so lazy not to embed the screens in the dash like prior gens. Does it really cost that much less to stick it on top? I own a prior gen Mustang and have driven the new one, and the usability is tangibly worse in the s650.

[@paganhobbit]

Those Mustang screens are what made me exclude it from my midlife crisis sports car list. I really like the rest of it, but I'm not staring at that every time I drive it.

[@leechavarie4675]

The biggest weakness is the lap top mechanics at the dealerships ! My RS3 had the typical leaking oil pan . The dealership would just clean it off and say they fixed it . I had to pull the pan off myself and reseal it with Honda bond and it never leaked again . The dealership oil changes always were a litre short of being full . I am not to excited about buying new just because of the poor service departments .

[@pauliewalnuts240]

Don't think that's an audi specific issue, as far as poor dealer service. That's a problem with all manufacturers, dealerships provide poor customer service. but you should be able to find a better dealer for any future work.

[@pauldandrea5504]

The dealer overfilled my Elantra N's oil by at least half a quart. Changing my own oil from now on.

[@Eli07K]

I never take my cars to a dealership for things I can do myself. I like to build relationships with my car. 😂

[@mikeyoung00]

@@pauliewalnuts240 Lexus dealerships are amazing, but their standard hourly rates are pretty brutal.

[@calebfurlong]

I have a similar problem with my Alfa. I feel you!

[@Kalepsis]

I finally saw a Cybertruck in the wild the other day, and I was stunned... it's the first car I've seen since the Nissan Juke that is legitimately uglier in person.

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

It's quite horrendous, isn't it? I remember seeing it on the internet and thinking to myself, "this thing is one of the ugliest cars I've seen". Then I saw it in person and I thought "Correction it is the ugliest car ever made."

[@TheDARTCONGBASIS]

I agree but I will say it looks better in the dark. Goes from a 2/10 to a 4/10.

[@bryanmiller2023]

While I agree with you I would also say most pickups are ugly in general so I wonder did Tesla think it would just fit in with the competition.

[@benpinet8488]

Pontiac Aztec

[@YelCan]

The Aztec was visually playful. Not that it wasn’t ugly or that it was attractive. It was playful. The cyberwank set out to have, and exudes, crudeness. It is artfully, aggressively crude. It is the brainchild of maniacal egotism.

[@police428]

I personally work at a VW dealer. The capacitive touch buttons on the wheel aren’t an issue for me. Maybe just because interact with it on a daily basis…but the issue is that the steering wheel buttons fail quite a lot, it’s practically daily a steering wheel with capacitive controls gets replaced. The big thing I dislike is the Mk8’s HVAC controls. That is the biggest flaw, they aren’t illuminated. They have indents so you can’t see what you are sliding. And they are so slow to react to a sweaty or wet finger!

[@bshwayde]

Yes. I can confirm the steering wheels are garbage. My wife’s ‘22 Tiguan is on steering wheel number three since we bought it last year used (with a warranty thankfully). Once a module goes in the wheel it’s game over and replacement wheel time. At least they are available now. In 2022 I think they were back ordered for a year plus. I’m pretty sure that’s why ours was traded into a GMC dealer only after one year of ownership…

[@betterbeavailable]

And how about winter time with gloves on. 😅

[@thedarkgreenvanman]

Hopefully they don’t suffer from the suction jet pump issue like the MK7’s

[@miquellopez7185]

A Cool Runnings AND Monty Python reference in the same video? I am very proud of you both 😂

[@Sean_C6.2]

On the Mk8 golf. One of my co-workers had one as a rental during a business trip and the capacitive touch buttons and the built in driving aids drove him so mad the first week he had the car that he went back to the rental car center and had them exchange it for a different car. He’s in his mid 20’s and doesn’t care much about cars, the reason why I bring this up is because he’s in that demographic that probably would be the most tolerant to annoying tech like this. So if he couldn’t handle it for just a few days, oh boy, it must be REALLY BAD.

[@IAmAPerson27]

As a 2024 Mustang owner, the steering is easily the worst part about it. I'm mostly used to it now, but every time I hop into a car with good steering it resets my brain 😂 Recently drove my mom's CT4 V Blackwing around the block and nearly vomited when I got back into the Mustang 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@TML34]

Your mom’s?! Ummm, how old is your mom? Curious. 😂😂

[@IAmAPerson27]

@@TML34 She's almost 50! Had a Kia Stinger GT as her first "cool" car a few years ago, sold it for a Cadillac XT4 because she wanted more space.. Instantly regretted it and recently bought an Electric Blue CT4. It's a bad machine for sure!

[@j.t.553]

​@@IAmAPerson27ALMOST 50? 😂 Tell her I'm 31 and love ct-4 black wings 😂 jkjk that's so dope bro! Did your car enthusiasm rub off on her?

[@IAmAPerson27]

@@j.t.553 Hahaha I'll let her know 🤣 And I think so.. She sent me the Blackwing without me even recommending it. I told her to buy it, she said she already did! Lmao

[@gp1683]

100% agree about Porsche. I asked about an S/T and the sales rep said I'd need to buy at least 3 SUV's or Taycans at MSRP first to even be considered for an allocation. NO THANKS! No flavor of the 911 is special enough to treat your brand like its Ferrari...Its not!

[@racingfortheson]

James’ hair 4 years ago 😂😂😂😂

[@makatron]

Way thicker

[@bignunja6732]

I see in the last 4 years he broke down and bought a comb.

[@racingfortheson]

@@bignunja6732 🤣🤣

[@mertronael]

The Lotus Emira - The biggest weakness is: it is still not here.

[@kirrus17]

Haven't they started selling them finally? I see 1 from time to time at my local YMCA

[@TheBasher-_-]

Did James just say Nissan Z instead of Nissan Zed!?? WERE AMERICANIZING HIM BOYS!! 😂😂❤

[@Bmontepeque11]

No, Zed is the right way to pronounce it, you Americans have to stop trying to bend the world your way.

[@shaggy_e210]

​@@Bmontepeque11Stay mad foreigner 🇺🇲🇺🇲

[@beandip461]

⁠@@Bmontepeque11then they should’ve named it the nissan “zed” if that were true, but they didn’t, because it sounds stupid. Z gang for the win🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@VictorMartinez-pi8wb]

Murica

[@liuby33]

Technically Canadianize

[@Tetsujin-28]

Cybertruck: I remember posting about how dangerous I thought the auto frunk "severing" someone's finger would be and an "individual" "explained" to me that no modern car had that safety feature.

[@danam0228]

I think my '85 Monte Carlo SS is amazing, but it's up on blocks in my front yard with the engine and transmission missing

[@quincyjones725]

"Mercedes get it together" Are we starting with F1 and working our way down?

[@tomekkaminski2677]

Mercedes won two last gp and most likely will have Max next season ... :)

[@matthewhunnewell9155]

If their production cars get the same turnaround they’ve had since Monaco, that’d be a sight to see!

[@EliPerlman]

@@tomekkaminski2677 ….. Red Bull will not get max next year

[@deanchur]

@@EliPerlman If Max leaves and Checo gets booted for poor performance then it'll likely be Danny Ric and Yuki in the main team. Damn.

[@efrosvovelu9076]

Why would Max leave, What am I missing?

[@RogueBagel]

The Ioniq 5 N is basically a Soulslike video game on wheels: its settings are a skill tree. 😅

[@Kalepsis]

650k for a 911 S/T is just stupid.

[@jwalesoutlaw3294]

Yea and even if you had $650k they still wouldn't sell it to you. Absurd

[@Vazl0s]

James doing Cool Runnings is something I didn't know I needed in my life.

[@marcmonnette6696]

1) The GR Corolla has issues with its diff overheating on track. 2) A lot new EV’s not from Tesla have issues with the charging infrastructure. 3) New Nissan Z has lackluster handling characteristics compared to its competitors. 4) Porsche Cayman GTS 4.0 with a manual: can’t row through the gears (legally lol) because they’re much too long. 5) This one isn’t necessarily proven, but the new M5 and its weight issue.

[@himura357]

I was just on my way out to buy an INEOS Grenadier but thank God I saw this video to warn me about it's issues... 🤣

[@Stuka87]

You can fix it by changing the caster angle of the front axle. Give it 5.5 degrees or so, and it will track straight.

[@Chilicharger665]

@@Stuka87 negative? I hope you are joking.

[@Stuka87]

@@Chilicharger665 Thank you for pointing out my error. I fixed my post. Negative would make it even worse than it already is.

[@gbarton800]

2024 Lotus Emira… the seats! Biggest weakness IMHO. Love the car, hate the seats including the high-in-the-saddle seating position.

[@eldh]

Model 3 owner here. Turn signal buttons took a loooong time to get used to. Even with practice it's worse than a stalk. Gear selector however is a complete non-issue.

[@pyramo3170]

I got used to the turn signals reasonably quick in the S before I got rid of it(I’m not sure if they’re different buttons?). The horn on the other hand…. That’s idiotic

[@jxenos87]

Had no issue with the indicators, or the gear shift and quality on the Chinese built ones seem to be better than US built ones. The biggest issue is removing the ultrasonic and radar sensors and relying on camera alone. That was a real backward step.

[@mediocreman2]

Interesting, the shifter is a no go for me because sometimes I wear gloves because of weather. Fortunately, the aftermarket has some stalks available.

[@eldh]

@@mediocreman2 I live in Sweden and have chronically cold hands. Never needed gloves in this car. Heated steering wheel is amazing, but also it’s so easy to heat up the cabin before you head out. Just go into the app and turn the heat on five minutes before you leave. TBH one of its best features.

[@eldh]

@@pyramo3170 horn is different on the S I think. Model 3 has it in the middle of the wheel like a normal car.

[@DFWsCars]

Love the more throttle house. Keep it up!

[@TheMangsF1]

Just validating that my GTI has the exact same problem with the speakers, so strange

[@Dia1Up]

My Honda Fit also grinds 2nd. But theres a small trick of how you move into wecond that helps, but its sometimes hard to think of when shifting quick

[@gabem8119]

I used to have a manual accord and it grinded gears when I shifted into 2nd fast, hard or both. Weird that Honda’s never fixed it. If I shifted smooth and slow it was always ok.

[@fmtien]

You guys are hilarious! This episode is brilliant packed full of comedy! Bravo! 👏

[@MrNotgoth]

Amazing video as always gentlemen!

[@kirrus17]

Honestly, couldn't agree more on the mercedes, starting roughly 2016 their build quality took a massive hit. I drove a W223 S-Klasse not too long ago(!) and it felt cheap and flimsy, same with the new C and E that came out in 2024, better than previous gen's but still....

[@21Dimen]

I’ve driven pre-2016 S Classes, they were all very creaky too

[@mediocreman2]

More like starting in 2001.

[@kirrus17]

@@mediocreman2 back then I would have been 11 y.o. I just remember driving my friend's 2015 E-Klasse (W212) and it felt really well built.

[@gryphon123456]

Another unforgivable weakness of the dark horse is a screen gauge. It’s so at odds with the car. It’s like a construction worker showing up to the job site wearing LuLu Lemons. They need a muscle car to feel muscle car. Screen makes it feel Prius inside. It’s so at odds with the ethos of the car!

[@mrsteel6136]

Honestly the mustang kinda stopped being a muscle car when the S550 chassis came around. It pivoted into more of a Touring Car imo, with performance trim options.

[@mofayer]

There is a reason people still buy Rolex watches even though smart watches only cost a fraction of the price. Mechanical gauges are so much more cool!

[@mrsteel6136]

@@mofayer still a very niche market and if your going that route, there’s always Lotus. The last modern company to make a true drivers car.

[@mofayer]

@@mrsteel6136 I'm not going "any route". I'm just saying that a classic na v8 with a manual transmission should have classic mechanical looking gauges. Just some common sense logic. Or so I thought.

[@RichardJones-kx6mb]

I have a 22 gt with digital gauges. I think you can have digital and make it work. The screens in the 24 just look slapped on. Glad I bought in 22 and not 24. That said the engine in either one sounds amazing. Like with the bullitts, who cares about the stereo. Just roll down the windows and wake up the neighbors.

[@beneason9168]

Good information. Really value your perspectives.

[@jamesmcintoshjr]

Re: type r gear grind (from an owner of an fk8 if 6 years)- it actually goes away for the most part, unfortunately it just takes a long time for the trans to break in enough that it mostly goes away. Fluid change helped as well. That being said I haven't experienced it in over 2 years.

[@msmoniz]

The major plus about all the new "modern" Ferrari's is that because of all the horrible switch(touch?)gear and screens everywhere, anyone who owns an analogue Ferrari, has seen their values increased dramatically because actual Ferrari enthusiasts want a tactile car to drive, not some show-off piece to take the trophy wife and/or girlfriend to dinner.

[@melchng]

New Ferrari cars sucks big time

[@maximravinet9950]

"We strive to make great cars then ruin every single way to interact with it"- 95% of car manufacturers today

[@Flizzy973]

That’s crazy about that Type R gearbox. The old RSX Type S had the exact same issue between 2nd & 3rd gear.

[@Marc.Google]

So many epic moments again this year! @ExtraThrottleHouse basement couch talks FTW 🙌

[@shredofmalarchi]

James was part of a New Wave band 4 years ago.

[@bladejames8208]

Plus one for Porsche.... walked into my local dealership as a first time Porsche buyer, cash budget of $160-$260k willing to leave 10% cash deposit (This was in 2021) I was told they would take my deposit of only $1,000, no ADM, expect delivery in 2-3 years. A GT or Turbo S no ADM but, 10k procurement fee and 3-4 years expected delivery. The used 2020-2021 cars they had were all 20k-100k above MSRP. Obviously I left without leaving a deposit. I called dealerships all over the country. I either got nearly the same message or was told I could get a 4-6 month delivery date with $30-50k ADM on S/4S, $50-100k ADM on Turbo S and GT cars were $80-150k ADM. I ended up shopping the used market, test driving nearly all available 992s. I ended up buying a used 21 911 C4S (it was exactly the spec I wanted to order) with 1,5xx miles for $10k over original window sticker. Since then I have had to use my local sh-ty Porsche dealership for service as the next closest is 90 miles away. This dealership during an update/manufacturers repair had broken both my door panels (broke the clips on the back causing them to rattle insanely), blew my drivers door speaker during an audio test to test the rattling door panels. I fought with them to order new door panels because they attempted to fix drivers 4 times, passangers 3 times and each time made it worse. I had to get Porsche USA involved. I did get new door panels, took 6 months to get them in. I had an ignition coil go bad. The dealership sent the wrong type of tow truck twice ! They finally got the correct truck with trailer out to my house. They had my car for 4 months without giving me a loaner while waiting on the ignition coil to come in. There have been several other mishaps with the dealership including a 60 mile "test drive" said to ensure the ignition coil repair was correct. I absolutely love my 911 C4S and was planning on buying a GT4RS. That was not happening as every single dealership turned me down without excepting a $100-150k ADM. I decided I would go with a Turbo S. Now though since all of the bad experience through my dealership, dealerships across the US and Porsche corporate I have decided I am going to sell my 911 C4S before the warranty runs out and not buy another Porsche. All seriousness the VW and Audi dealerships have treated me with much more respect, providing much better service and seemingly greatful that I chose VW as well as Audi and the particular dealership for my driving and service needs.

[@user-lq5yx1ke5k]

Last year my brother and I went to the local dealer here and I understand what you're saying completely, they treat you horribly! My brother wanted a 718 GT4 and was willing to pay 50% right there and they straight up told him you're not getting one, and thats not even a RS!! I wanted a Cayenne S and they told me I'll have to wait 1 year, for a Cayenne...what am I buying a Bentley?! No thanks. They make great cars but they treat you like you should kiss their bums just for SELLING you a car. 👺

[@atevalve]

The Cybertruck does have only one weakness Being a Cybertruck

[@jw2722]

good one

[@nathansuss]

Being the cybertruck is it's greatest strength

[@atevalve]

@@nathansuss You're right, having an instant indicator to avoid something is something of a strength

[@thedumbconspirator4956]

​@@atevalve is that why it's the US best selling vehicle over $100,000 and has already outsold the r1t. They kinda made the right bet with the styling. It stands out. People were complaining about the model 3/y being generic...here you go!

[@zjanez2868]

@@thedumbconspirator4956 seeing all its recalls, build quality issues and just plain design and egineering flaws Yes, it is a problem.

[@neilmcmahon]

OMG, My old EP3 Civic TypeR had the same 1-2 synchro mesh issue and that was 20 years ago. Can't believe they haven't fixed it yet.

[@Stuka87]

As a '23 BRZ owner, I did a lot of research before buying it. And thankfully, there has been a lot of testing done. And its mostly caused by the combination of an oil drain back issue, combined with the oil pickup being on the right side of the oil pan. So when you go around a hard right hand corner, and oil doesn't drain back fast enough, and the oil sloshes to the left of the pan, it can starve for oil. Most people racing them over fill the oil, we run thicker oil (5w30 instead of 0w20), and run an oil cooler. Of note, Porsche had oil drain back issues with their flat engines, and they added scavenge pumps to push oil back into the sump. On a side note. My personal issue with the car, are the high frequency harmonics that gets transferred into the cabin via the v-bars that go from the strut towers to the firewall. Its really irritating.

[@Tthread7]

I test-drove a BRZ and decided against purchasing it as the road noise was worse than my NA Miata. It also had non-linear throttle mapping and a terrible-sounding stereo system. The trunk space is also limiting for what I wanted it for. However, the interior was decent, with good steering, adequate power, and comfortable seats.

[@Stuka87]

@@Tthread7 I did a full sound deadening install on mine, and ditched the PS4 tires and it made a big difference. Per my sound level measurements, its about 8-10dB quieter than stock depending on the road surface. The trunk is tiny compared to my old '16 Mustang's trunk. But its a lot bigger than an ND Miata's trunk. So its adequate for me to do small shopping in, or go on road trips. Overall I love the car. But noise levels are pretty high from the factory.

[@MavadoKen]

1 huge weakness of modern cars is aerodynamics dissolving style. Would love a 1950's style sedan with hybrid technology.

[@williamgechtman9287]

Another reason is meeting regulations. Low, sloping hoods are a thing of the past, as they are a hazard to pedestrians. There has to be sufficient room between the engine and the hood for it to absorb deformation from a pedestrian impact. There are lots of things like that, requiring side markers at a certain height, requirements for tail lights, bumpers, side impact standards, things that cars from the 50s never had to face. Case in point regarding pedestrian safety, fins on a Cadillac. A child was actually killed by a Cadillac tailfin. Not because the car hit him, because he ran into the car, playing ball on a city street. He was impaled by the tail fin. Tailfins got shorter and redesigned. Wind and governments now sculpt cars.

[@bozhidardimitrov3573]

​@@williamgechtman9287this makes no sense tho with higher hoods being extremely more dangerous to pedestrians than low ones. A sedan height hood has much higher chance of survival than those huge SUV brick walls

[@MavadoKen]

@@williamgechtman9287 That is fair. Accounting for people striking a stationary object is tough... Good thing the kid didn't run into a wall - or else we would all be living in bubbles. Hopefully one day safety technology will offset distracted/drunk/etc drivers out there and we can see something fresh.

[@williamgechtman9287]

@@bozhidardimitrov3573 I am not talking about SUVs, the worst US models are not allowed in Europe (Tesla cyber truck for example) and the US has no pedestrian impact standards that I know of. I am talking about *regular cars,* and the height of the hood above the engine, .*not* the ground. If on impact the pedestrian is thrown onto the hood, that gap is to allow for deformation of the hood, absorbing some of that impact, and the passenger is not directly striking the top of the solid metal engine immediately below the hood. It is not about the height of the front of the car, though that must fall between certain points and within certain shape guideline, I believe, to keep that pedestrian from breaking their legs, being forced under the vehicle, or throwing them up into the air. Pedestrian safety standards, lacking in the US but in place in Europe, are the cause for the increased bulbousness of hoods that you might've noticed. I'm not sure if it was fully put into place, but I know the regulations required 8 inches of space between the hood and top of the engine to act as a crumple zone when proposed.

[@ii_dynasty]

So the new charger?

[@umutcakmak3221]

Guys, 59$/year is too much for joining a fun discord server. I love you but that's a 2-3 weeks worth of necessary food in Turkey.

[@JakeSoulFreeTravels]

Wow, Jame's eye brow work at @22:58 is impressive and then Thomas talking to the neather world during it all. HA

[@BobC59]

grenadier sound like my '96 Montero whose streering was often referred to as 'ponderous'.

[@kila865]

Review the 2025 BMW M440i xDrive coupe!!!! Put it up against the C43 and S5!

[@ii_dynasty]

It would cle.

[@rdspam]

The one problem with the Cybertruck is the entire Cybertruck.

[@charlottetownspud7903]

my mk8 gti does the sound thing too. Sometimes the clicking noise when you press the buttons just stops working too. I am almost 2 years into a 4 year lease and electronic stuff makes me nervous. May just give it back at the end of the lease.

[@jrod237]

Love the thumbnail of this video. So true, so very true lol

[@taltalwarrior3684]

You should do these more often! I want 10 amazing cars with no/very small weaknesses

[@RomainSandt]

While everyone around me is watching my country playing an other at football. I'm here

[@notthatdrew5818]

I had the 2nd gear grind in my '93 NSX which was so bad I upgraded to the NA2 6-$peed (new, not used) but it did the same thing! Audi/VW etc. use plastic T fittings in vacuum and cooling/heating lines which break with not too much age which can be catastrophic.

[@sahajsb2728]

Thomas, I'd love to see a watch collection tour, you always have an interesting time piece on, it hasn't gone unnoticed by us enthusiasts haha

[@bassandtrebleclef]

How about this.... I'm tired of screens. I don't want an IP screen and I don't want a huge infotainment screen. I want analog gauges and a small circa 2015 screen to display what little info I need surrounded by buttons.

[@himura357]

That's one of the reasons I didn't buy the new WRX. What a horrible screen!

[@anonymousOnHere]

Get an Acura

[@That_One_Person_01]

Get a kei truck

[@bryanrichardson162]

Drive an audi r8 or tt and it's so refreshing to not have a giant distracting center screen. Cant think of any other modern car that doesnt have a center screen and working at car dealer I've driven about everything on the road

[@bryanrichardson162]

Drive an audi r8 or tt and it's so refreshing to not have a giant distracting center screen. Cant think of any other modern car that doesnt have a center screen and working at car dealer I've driven about everything on the road

[@bambammartin1556]

Mustang- that slapped-on screen is junk.

[@PROFESSOR_TV]

always on point !

[@Jmodderator]

@ 6:19- Like that's how I start my GE washing machine LOL

[@DannerBanks]

I agree that removing the turn signal stalks on the Model 3 was a bad idea. Regarding quality, I have a 2018 with 50k miles and it has held up fine. The rental you guys got in previous videos was absolutely hammered on and shouldn't be considered for measuring the durability of the interior.

[@paztom]

Well, "50k and held up fine" is kinda nothing to brag about...

[@DannerBanks]

@@paztom I agree, but in their video they mentioned the one they had only had 50k miles.

[@lucass8119]

Considering the materials of the interior, I don't think it would hold up well. Granted its mostly gonna driven in city/suburbs type environments so maybe its not as much as a problem. But yes, they're built like a tonka truck inside.

[@DannerBanks]

@@lucass8119 could you speculate harder

[@bryanmiller2023]

The quality thing everyone brings up is from the early production vehicles that weren't well sorted off the assembly line, that was solved years ago. Go walk around a Tesla showroom and you will find current Teslas aren't any different than other brands in that respect.

[@stinkyoldguy2505]

What’s that concept car photo in the back? Looks neat

[@larrystrutmann]

It's one of the videos they have done: Thomas And James Design Their Perfect Sports Car, on this very channel.

[@stinkyoldguy2505]

@@larrystrutmann oh yeah, didn’t remember they actually made an actual concept image of it

[@larrystrutmann]

​@@stinkyoldguy2505A very cool bloke Zachary Lading made this artwork and sent it to them.

[@YakubNg]

@@stinkyoldguy2505 Sketchmonkey drew them out of their description. cmiiw

[@marcob1729]

I saw my first Ineos in Colorado the other day. It certainly looked the part

[@KostendtO]

Thomas you are looking more fit, keep it up.

[@erniejoel1234]

100% Stock GR86 owner here. No issues after more than 6 track days. Just oil changes.

[@Hypnotio]

seconding this. no issues after multiple track days. issue is overblown and the car is as amazing as Thomas and James say!

[@acerimmer8338]

Your single, personal anecdote doesn't mean that other owners haven't had engines blowup. It's absolutely a problem and you'll never know until it's too late.

[@avery4528]

@@HypnotioI wouldn’t say it’s overblown. There’s clear documentation of low oil pressure on sweeping right hand turns with no easy fix. It’s a good lease, especially with the brembo and shock absorber package.

[@katalysis]

I like how you exclaim your anecdotal data point of 1 so proudly, as if it has any value.

[@endjfcar]

Well my friend's experiences is balancing your experience out already

[@carsonfiero4209]

I don’t understand the clutch delay valves in everything these days. Pulled it out of my 9th gen accord and it feels great. Best Honda mod.

[@OviWanKeno9i]

Can you do this for USED cars please? Categories: Cheap&cheerful, super reliable, luxury, sporty. Honourable mentions: summer and winter beaters. The vast majority of us can't afford new cars anymore. I just bought a 4 yr old Lexus ES350 FSport2 and it's such an amazing normal nice car, except it's FWD and can't even handle the 302HP is has. I'm saving up for wider wheels and better tires. I also have a 500hp Bilstein coilover Audi A6 and makes me think of the Audi RS5 that you guys drove a few years ago (I love that video). It has a racecar engine, but it also has so much maintenance, and that V8 has like 4 timing chains that are ticking time bombs. lol. For my A6 chains I got quoted CAD$6000 at a Cambridge specialty shop.

[@matthoskins8762]

I love driving my GTI and then realizing ten minutes later that I accidentally turned on the seat heater while turning the wheel lol. I want whatever the guys that greenlit that interior are on

[@jw2722]

yall really fell for cybertruck engagement bait 💔

[@ScottOrd]

19:00 - "VIP-in-your-own-mouth" 😂

[@christophecamus3295]

Love your videos ❤❤❤❤😊😊😊

[@kpsig]

The Cyberjunk…

[@romeundernero]

Hondas and 2nd gear grinds. Name a bigger iconic duo.

[@damilolaakanni]

Hondas and automatic transmission failures?

[@bryanmiller2023]

The first to second gear shift is a deal breaker if it isn't right. Way worse than capacitive buttons.

[@roguethrax]

@@bryanmiller2023 The only saving grace there is it isn't an issue on track since you're only in 1st gear once haha.

[@mediocreman2]

I have owned three Honda/Acura manual cars and I've never had a second gear grind.

[@dimsoneill]

Love your honest reviews lads.

[@ludicrousspeeds4938]

You guys always review amazing and fast cars, but it would be awesome if you reviewed something a little more “pedestrian”, like the Nissan versa manual.

[@danam0228]

The Cybertruck is hilariously bad

[@KZ-se4ik]

Totally agree about Porsche, and its sad. Disagree about GR86 twins - none of the cup cars (which use stock engines and are driven faster than any of us weekend warriors can achieve) have had engine issues.

[@davidbias2509]

My 2024 mk8 GTI SE is a hoot. There must have been an update as I’ve had no electronic issues so far. Are the touch pads ideal? No but I got the hang of it in about a week and I must say the slider for the sunroof is far superior to any sunroof buttons in the past.

[@ljpr360]

The Thumbnail 😅😂🤣 honestly that's what I tell anyone who asks me as their friend that's "the car guy" If they ask be about VW I direct them to a Toyota, Honda or Mazda 😅😂🤣

[@Triptisim]

Lexus IS500 and RCF with their crappy 8-speed transmissions should be here as well. All around great ride/sound/engine, heck they even have REAL BUTTONS. That transmission holds them back from being the great cars they should be.

[@aprtur]

Transmission is fine, you just need to know how to work with it. Watch the 200k+mi IS-F on the Ring video, and you can hear the same trans cracking off shifts just fine.

[@bandwagon240]

I'd be worried if a Honda didn't grind 2nd or 3rd.

[@mediocreman2]

My S2000 doesn't grind and neither did my 2 Acura Legends or my Acura Integra.

[@bandwagon240]

@@mediocreman2 there's always one of you people that just like being contrary. It's like the reliable British people or the BMW owners that say they always use their signal.

[@PIDOFREAK]

The 2nd gear grind is on the Toyota GR Yaris as well - in 3rd gear. Its firstly because of the ratio gap you mentioned but mostly because these modern turbo cars have a lot of rev hang which leads to a longer time being needed for the engine to match the revs.

[@stevenmishos]

The problem with BMW Canada is individual dealers owning the client relationship. I moved from an area serviced by one dealer to another and the new dealer has no record of my car's service history, and they can't request the records from the other dealer even with my authorization.

[@MTKARusty]

With regards to Mustang steering, I formally invite you both to use my GT350 in the mountains/canyons for a weekend to potentially change your mind. Granted, a GT350 is a wildly different car than a regular GT.

[@jay18394]

It's also a different generation. A s550 GT has more feel than a S650 GT. Apples to oranges

[@rahulmandala4930]

They did test a GT350R in the Extra channel and they seemed to love every bit of it. As they should, because it's a special machine!

[@lucaduina2781]

I think they have done GT350, and they really loved it. To second what the other reply said, they are talking about current gen Mustang.

[@raneer_6567]

My s550's steering wasn't the best until I got better suspension, lowered it, and got bigger and better tires. Now I feel a lot of the road and can feel what's happening in my front in. I think a lot of the dead steering comes down to suspension tuning, but it seems like the new Mustang is worse than the last gen stock.

[@acerimmer8338]

They're talking about the new S650. And they specifically pointed out the Dark Horse. If you know Mustangs then you'd know what they were talking about.

[@Moray2023]

Suzuki Jimny, you attract way to many women.

[@Ph0enix80]

The only issue I have with the Jimny is they can't sell them here in the USA. I just spent 10 days with one in Iceland and also had one on K'gari (Fraser Island) years back. What a gem of an off-roader.

[@yebzy]

List videos are back again yeahhhhh

[@fydstar]

Voyager records in the background, love that!

[@jbidianos]

The key weakness of chevys is that it's a gm car company

[@stalliongarage2339]

The performance cars are amazing???

[@brownwhale5518]

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