Extreme Switch Overclocking - Can we run Breath of the Wild at 60fps ?

[@ModernVintageGamer]

Wanted to note that I have no knowledge of Next Gen Nintendo hardware specs and everything in this episode discussing next gen hardware is just my guesswork, thoughts, opinions and speculation.

[@Luizanimado]

Sure 😉

[@kamala7101]

NX2 specs have been examined at face value by Eurogamer and other sources. 12gb ram (commercial), amphere cores lovelace, 8" LCD display, 5nm/4nm chip and DLSS 3.1 (rx).

[@davidnonsuch4981]

the dev of 4ifir steals code, lies and bullies other open source devs. please dont feature his cobbled together code. he is toxic and hurts the scene.

[@wile123456]

So developers that don't make this disclaimer are clearly under an NDA 😂

[@wile123456]

​@@kamala7101it's ampere GPU architecture. Not lovelace. And it can't be both. It will be a smaller gpu than the RTX 3050 but will have RT and Tensor cores

[@AppNasty]

This guy is so modern……and vintage at the same time.

[@FayezButts]

Some would say he's also a gamer

[@DowneyMax]

As though he is a Modern Vintage Gamer.

[@kenrickkahn]

The perfect combination.. 👍🏿🔥❤️

[@Zinkolo]

I know. It's disgusting. He's a gamer too!

[@ZeranZeran]

He's so hot too ♥

[@sixgradename]

it’s insane that gpu & cpu are maxing at 80% further solidifying it as being a memory issue for the switch.

[@Hayden_M_Kearney]

I noticed that too. Actually crazy how much performance was left on the table.

[@kenrickkahn]

​@@Hayden_M_KearneyCrazy Nintendo has always did that.. They been doing this nonsense since the Super Nintendo..

[@xtr.7662]

No surprise the switch memory bandwith is lower than the ps3

[@manoelBneto]

Memory bandwidth is the thing that gets nerfed the most when you go down from high end GPUs to mid and low end, or from desktop to laptop GPUs

[@Slenderman63323]

@@kenrickkahn exactly. I remember even the N64 being nerfed due to having a slow and low bandwidth shared memory bus. The CPU and RDP were actually really powerful at the time but the memory subsystem really handicapped the console.

[@kajurn791]

It's actually super impressive how well Switch runs games at that wattage. Yea it is a lot weaker than the other consoles were, but look at that power draw.

[@dcarpenter85]

low level APIs with minimal OS overhead can do some pretty incredible things. Imagine the Steam Deck if it didn't have to run a bloated operating system and a latent translation layer.

[@JmMateo933]

Yeah compared to other consoles using 200 watts this is great

[@phuzz00]

More impressive is that it's only using ten times the power of an original GameBoy, but it's thousands of times 'better', however you want to measure 'better'.

[@Mantenner]

​@@dcarpenter85steam OS isn't that bloated

[@dcarpenter85]

@@Mantenner very true, compared to Windows or Android for example. But it’s still a lot more bloated than most console OS like you find on the Switch or the PS5. There is a lot of Linux stuff happening under the hood and you have things like desktop mode eating up resources.

[@hyper9984]

I run TotK at 60 FPS with overclocking and FPSLocker. You can actually play 90% of the Switch library like this using OC.

[@livinlicious]

Seems kinda risky though. Only the OLED model has the new chip that has more power for overclocking, and homebrew needs chip modification. A V1 I would not push so hard, damages are very likely to occur. So the OLED chip mod is already expensive, you are at about 600-800 for a new OLED with a homebrew mod, to allow for overclocking. Then then you can run it hotter. Its a bit of a gamble that you have to be willing to take.

[@isaiahkern9434]

​​​@@livinliciousthat's not true. All redbox/retail switches right now are mariko. If you have 6 hours of battery life on breath of the wild. Or just check the serial code. Or if your purchase is after 2021. You have a mariko.

[@freshstat1csnow]

​@@livinliciousany base Switch made after 2018, Lite, or OLED is going to have Mariko hardware, you still have to do a modchip install but you probably won't have to buy an entire new Switch for it

[@gamrwolf9655]

This would be good for Pokemon Scarlet and Violet I remember that game lagging in a lot of places on my switch.

[@hyper9984]

@@livinlicious I have a red box Switch V2 with a Mariko chip. I keep it at safe clocks, the battery just drains a bit faster than normal, but not as much as you'd think. MVG failed to mention that overclocking is 100% safe if you use it correctly, and it can be used 100% of the times you use your modded Switch.

[@alexanderrotmg]

Hey MVG, here is one thing I've already noticed in the last video: Your mic is crackling just a tiny bit. You can't really hear it until you crank up the volume, but once you hear it it is impossible to not notice it!

[@fililip298]

you can also hear it in this video

[@offspringfan89]

Yeah, it's pretty noticeable in this video.

[@ModernVintageGamer]

I’m aware of it .should be fixed next video

[@SavingPrivateBob]

@@ModernVintageGamer Still sounded good in my high-end headphones. Crackling, sure, but the quality is still there. No big deal.

[@Fusion05]

I always thought a power dock idea would be pretty cool. When you hook the switch up to this theoretical dock it raises clocks (pretty sure they are only this low for simple battery constraints), gives the deck more thermal headroom, and of course offer more power.

[@JosephBlowshish]

Saw your colab with DF, I thought it was a little weird when you said you didn't have a modded Mariko. Glad to hear that's not the case. Overclocking on the OLED makes 1.1.0 of TOTK such a perfect experience.

[@BBWahoo]

Probably being DL, never know if Nintendo ninjas will strike. Big scari

[@DowneyMax]

​@@BBWahooEtika has gone through this, "nintendo ninjas"

[@BBWahoo]

@@DowneyMax What happened to etika anyways? Been a while

[@DowneyMax]

@@BBWahoo God..

[@iTheBeep]

​@@BBWahoo😢

[@irene1307]

Have you tried the newer 1.7 version? It now ships with a parameter tweaking tool as well, and also some better GPU undervolting, which reduces heat and power draw in stock scenarios

[@hyper9984]

I'm still on 4IFIR version 1.6, when did you update?

[@jujuu1339]

does it work on 16.1.0? Last time I tried 1.6 it would just crash on atmosphere boot. Did fresh install and hekate was freaking out that nyx was outdated.

[@Lachesis3D]

@@jujuu1339 4IFIR 1.7 Placebo compatible with latest HOS, available from built in AIO installer: AIO > Custom > Placebo > 4IFIR 1.7

[@kirillaristov7235]

@@jujuu1339yes now it’s work

[@ninetiesboy6827]

1.8

[@swsiii]

Interesting! It appears that a patch may be necessary to fix physics, notably for the enemy models. Usually in combat, a final blow with a weapon launches an enemy away from Link. In this video, they appear to simply collapse to the ground.

[@mrcyt9031]

That's the physics being designed for 30fps and playing the game at 60fps messes that up. There is a 60fps mod that fixes the physics of enemies.

[@ThePedroLippi]

I remember exactly that happening back when I played Zelda BotW at 60 FPS in Cemu (Wii U emulator).

[@arkanrais]

DLSS on a console should be very good. Having a single specific hardware configuration should make optimising it so much better. It'll be interesting to see all the tech analysis once the switch 2 launches.

[@devilmikey00]

Well games have used FSR on PS5/Xbox series and results have been fairly mixed leaning to poor. For instance, Jedi survivor is going as low as 720p trying to upscale to 1440p and it's visually disgusting. DLSS in general is superior to FSR but it'll still depend on the devs to implement it well.

[@kastaway-mtx]

only issue I have with DLS is developers use it as a crutch.

[@VexAcer]

Since DLSS is applied on a per game level it feels like something that would be tied to consoles anyway. I could definitely see Nintendo using it in their exclusive games to push up their image quality further. MonolithSoft especially with Xenoblade.

[@MattRose30000]

@@kastaway-mtx it's still a lot of work to get good results. They have to produce high detailed training frames for essentially the whole game the "old-fashioned" way. I don't see why that's considered a "crutch" if the hardware is otherwise limited and can't produce a high res image natively.

[@BahhBahhBrownSheep]

@EveryGameGuruI don’t think you understand what the difference between software and hardware rendering is.. both of them use the GPUs in software to render the upscaled image. DLSS just uses the tensor cores while FSR takes compute straight from the stream processors. DLSS is tailored per game to properly imitate a native higher resolution while FSR is a one-click works for everything upscaler. Don’t be so confident at something when you’re easily proven wrong.

[@Lachesis3D]

I express my deep gratitude to you, personally from me, and from the glorious community of my project. And I have great news, right now, on my workbench, there is an update with the ability to deeply undervolt the CPU. And take my word for it, it will not disappoint you. The OLED test sample is completely stable at a frequency of ~2.8 GHz with a voltage of only 1.205 volts. Savings in several frequency steps are observed already from a base frequency of 1 GHz. This is a breakthrough! Soon.

[@kimirlines_5464]

your community play totk 60fps before release 🙃

[@vladdyomkin]

Man, 4ifir is the absolute beast, thank you!

[@cobracombo]

Love this man

[@ai_quoted]

4ifir is the best one out there!

[@0takon]

Thanks bro. Your project makes people happy.

[@onebraincell-q9f]

Reminder that if they were using DLSS 3 frame generation, which they could be if the switch 2 chip runs in the lovelace architecture, that means that the game only needed to hit 40 fps natively to "run" at 60 fps

[@_radu]

I had no idea you could already mod oled switches. That’s awesome!

[@cakes1831]

You can mod any model. Just you need a v1 switch to be able to mod without a mod chip

[@main_tak_becus6689]

​@@cakes1831yeah, modchip is a no go for me because I don't have the skill to do it. I want a modded Xbox 360 because 7th gen has so many great games. No one near me can do it either. I don't like emulation of Xbox 360, PS3, and Switch because of shader caching. Native hardwares are so convenient.

[@Under_the_Iceberg]

I crunched some numbers assuming the Orin SOC was what went into the next Switch and I estimate it would be capable of BOTW at a stable 1080p60 native at handheld level power draw, and 1440p60+AI upscaling to 4k at docked level power draw should be possible. Given that the next generation SOC called Thor was announced last year, if it's what ends up in the next generation switch, even 4k60 native might not be out of the realm of possibility. But keep in mind that although BOTW looks very good, even when rendered at 4k, it relies heavily on aesthetic design choices to mask a lack of detail that is expected from games you'll find on current generation consoles. An Orin SOC based Switch would have less than 20% of the theoretical graphical power of the PS5, and there is little chance that we're talking about a 5x theoretical generational improvement from Thor. It will be much better than the current switch but unless Nintendo makes some huge changes, it's still not going to compete with current gen consoles in graphical fidelity.

[@ivan.kulagin]

Just so you know 4IFIR reads as “chifir” (it’s a very very strong black tea to the point that it becomes alcoholic/drug), because there is also a Russian AIO repack of Atmosphere called “kefir” (it’s like a drinkable yogurt)

[@ferretyluv]

I want to see you overclocking it in Faron. That place ALWAYS causes massive frame drops and has since BOTW.

[@Felixtheonee]

Korok forest so much worse

[@wishusknight3009]

I only pushed the memory clocks on my Switch by one notch over stock. I left everything else alone, and that gave me a decent increase in experience on the games I play most.

[@Lachesis3D]

You can almost TDP-freely use Optimized freqs as well, they highly undervolted, and comparable with stock power draw (+20%)

[@stultorumjunior]

@@Lachesis3D how can i done that, i got my oled with atmos, whats next step i never did overclock or something else, can u tell me a tutorial to follow

[@Lachesis3D]

@@stultorumjunior just Google "4IFIR". First link will guide you.

[@Lachesis3D]

@@stultorumjunior Hi, just Google "4IFIR", first link

[@astr.4]

i actually got botw to run at 60fps lock on an erista v1, the only problem youre about to pretty much encounter is the fans being louder than a jet engine

[@phantom0823]

how you do it? can you do it on lite ver and what’s the risk?

[@astr.4]

@@phantom0823 same thing as what mvg did, just with the extra cooling help of air conditioning and extra airflow, and no its not possible on the switch lite as it is weaker than a switch, only risk imo is overheat and the soc dying if it gets too hot

[@olevet75]

@@astr.4 ithink lite has v2 switch cpu

[@Chuskicho]

I'd love to see more of these overcloocking tests on other games. They are great! Props!

[@BuIlDaLiBlE]

Just want to chime in and say that "4IFIR" is actually intended to be pronounced as "chee fear" (at least that's a close enough approximation in English). The number "four" there stands for the sound "ch" since the first letter of the word "four" in most slavic languages is pronounced as "ch" and the name itself references a type of tea known as "Chifir".

[@padla87]

Very very very strong black tea

[@xFlavusx]

Prison tea basically

[@MrGoldFar]

Скоро американцы будут по понятиям общаться 😂😂😂😂

[@Lachesis3D]

Yes, unfortunately, it came to me too late that the name of my project, understandable to the Slavs, is completely unreadable for English-speaking users. Excuse me...

[@vladdyomkin]

@@Lachesis3D может в гайд на гитхабе добавить транскрипцию названия? Энивей большинство англоговорящих юзеров чифира так или иначе туда заглядывают

[@conza1989]

Love the videos, and this doesn't matter at all it's just an observation, perhaps constructive, your camera appears to have a very high iso setting, you may be able to have less static in the a-roll if you adjust the settings, if you like

[@yancgc5098]

The Switch 2 having DLSS3 would be great news, having frame generation support would make it possible for the Switch 2 to get 120 fps games

[@yancgc5098]

@@N_N23296 Well the Switch 2 ain’t getting 120 fps on its own, even the PS5 and Series X barely get any games at 120 fps. That’s why having support for DLSS3 frame generation is a good idea in this case.

[@waffleten9750]

​@@yancgc5098It should be an option though. Games should be able to run games at 30-60 fps without it.

[@yancgc5098]

@@waffleten9750 Of course, DLSS3 frame generation shouldn’t be an excuse for devs to not optimize for the Switch 2, it should be reserved for games wanting to go beyond 60 fps

[@NewEnglandDad]

I think the player should be left to decide between battery and performance. Nintendo should have a physical button on the console to toggle between power saving mode and performance mode. I play 99% in dock mode so power saving doesn't matter much to me, I would rather have the performance but the option should always be there for us to decide.

[@sween64]

Doesn’t the dock already do that? Playing a game in docked mode usually gives better graphics.

[@pacomatic9833]

Normally I'd say this is an optimization nightmare, but then I remember games already do this, just with power being handheld and performance being docked.

[@Rynelan]

​@@sween64correct, docked it goes a bit better but still on a very "safe" level. Nintendo could push the system way further. But there are probably good reasons they won't do that. One of them the hardware might fail much faster.

[@halami2149]

Agreed. Nintendo could’ve done this with the V2 switch, since the newer X1 runs much more efficiently, so it wouldn’t overheat like the V1 switch would. Also better thermal paste makes a huge difference. I had replaced my V1 switch’s thermal paste, and the fan was way less loud. I wasn’t doing any modded stuff (turns out it’s a patched V1), I was just playing animal crossing. But I think to make it less confusing and keep consistency with the generation of the console, they didn’t opt for a performance mode

[@pedrobeckup456]

​@@sween64Well, Botw runs in higher resolution on Dock but even so the resolution is better in portable mode because the resolution of the TV is higher than the game

[@Raphael_De_La_Ghetto]

Nice video MVG👏🏽 I hope next week you cover the crappy performance of MK1 on the Switch 😓 maybe this same overclocking method could help it perform better because as it stands now, I feel like I was robbed😭

[@Neopumper666]

If you're buying a fighting game on switch you are not serious about it in the first place You kind of did it to yourself

[@renbelmont]

​@@Neopumper666ah shut up, you can be pro on any console. I had a friend who played Fortnite and sniped people who didn't even show up in the draw distance because h was on switch. If YOU can't do it, that's a skill issue. stop gatekeeping loser

[@Raphael_De_La_Ghetto]

@@Neopumper666 DNF duel, Omen Of Sorrow and The Jojo B.A. game run fine on my switch. I understand the graphical styles aren’t like MK1, but they released a sub-par product with glitches, freezes and just an unplayable experience.

[@strangestecho5088]

​@Rafael.De.La.Ghetto Do some research next time before buying into a new game release. There's no excuse for being blind-sided by a bad port in 2023.

[@Raphael_De_La_Ghetto]

@@strangestecho5088 your argument is invalid sir. This was a $70 game release that went thru quality control and test screenings. Theres no way this should have been released in this state. The issue is MK1 specific, doesnt apply to most of the switch library. Whoever signed off on this was like “eff it bro lets get this money”💸

[@Zhabishe]

>tool known as four-ifir [4ifir] He-he, that's not four-ifir, that's che-fear.

[@farisakhtar4824]

It's not surprising really, if you know that the switch is severely undercooked in the first place and BOTW was a unrefined port from the Wii U, not designed to fully utilise the switch's capabilities.

[@CrimsonSteelMoonTheWolf64]

Id love to see someone just for fun mod their switches cooler to accommodate the overclocking (for 24/7 use etc.).

[@jadxiden6981]

Well I didn't realize that's what I did when me and my friends replaced the fan but we put some good ass thermal paste and a more efficient fan and my shit running oc but the fan be blowing😭

[@devilmikey00]

I figured DLSS would be how they get to 4k. Using DLSS at 1080p going to 4k works fairly well in my experience but going anywhere below 1080p when upscaling to 4k is when you are really stretching what DLSS can do. Even at 1080p it's far from perfect in a lot of games but it's firmly in that "good enough" territory. In handheld I imagine the switch 2 will have a 1080p screen and use DLSS to upscale 540/720p. I can't say I've ever done that on my PC but I imagine that's going to look a bit rougher.

[@bulletpunch9317]

1080p quality dlss isnt too bad.

[@jolang8022]

It will be 360p to 1080p DLSS ultra performance for many 3rd party games

[@user-TheTrueGibly]

7:47 Answer halfway in the vid here. Yes because its a Wii U game but also no because the switch is still too weak

[@RGT85]

Ok hackerman calm down over there.

[@summer_xo]

Interesting video as always - did a quick google ad found that Tegra 1 was 20nm!!! Rumoured next up in the Tegra 239 is 8nm. People seem to think this makes sense from a cost perspective and leaves room for improvements down the line like the Switch OLED (Apple currently targeting 3nm!). Big jump from 20 - 8 however, so hopefully battery life and power are both improved. Or potentially big battery life improvement and modest graphics increase.

[@ZackSNetwork]

The Tegra X1 Mariko chip in the Switch OLED is 16nm. The original V1 Switch was 20nm. Current sources are saying the Switch 2 will be 5nm or 4nm Samsung node.

[@RvEllorquez]

​@ZackSNetwork no way! They should stay away from samsung. Tsmc is better.

[@migmeal]

Amazing testing! I didn't know mariko consoles were moddable! thought only v1 models could be modded.

[@Domazin]

Modchips :)

[@Zweih]

Now try this with Monster Hunter: Rise or Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Really interested to see how those graphically intensive games stack up with the extreme overclocking profile.

[@pedrobeckup456]

Me too... explore Gormott in a higher resolution

[@jennika753]

9:35 - Something to bear in mind is the next generation Nintendo console won't be using a Tegra X1. The custom Tegra X1 in the Switch uses 4 Cortex A57 cores on a 16 nm process. The next Nintendo system is heavily rumored to be based on the T239 Jetson Orin platform, which uses A78AE cores on a 8nm platform. More power at the same clocks, with less heat. So you can't make a clock-for-clock comparison, saying you expect the next platform to use a 2GHz CPU clock by default. (There's also a brand new rumor saying Nvidia might have pushed Nintendo onto the Thor platform with Neoverse Poseidon AE cores and a Ada Lovelace GPU architecture. I think that's way too new for Nintendo and a lot of wishful thinking. Orin with Ampere graphics makes more sense to me.)

[@BahhBahhBrownSheep]

Damn here we were all thinking that the new console to be released 9-10 years after the Tegra X1 would still be using that chip.. wow, thanks for bringing us back to reality. We really needed you to remind us 🙄

[@kamelowy]

Patched the game to work at 60 fps and oc'd the console with sys-clk-oc to 1683 @ CPU, 768 @ GPU and 1996 @ DRAM, gives me around 50-60fps, even on handheld mode with around 6W of power. It's crazy!

[@RvEllorquez]

Legit?

[@kamelowy]

@@RvEllorquez I changed my sys-clk-oc to a custom one and undervolted the switch. Now ~1400 @ CPU, ~900 @ GPU and 2400 @ DRAM gives me stable 60fps even in Kakariko and Korok Forest at 5-6W.

[@RvEllorquez]

@@kamelowy how do you undervolt the switch?

[@olevet75]

@@kamelowy cool dude, I just heard that game physics can be broken. like enemies are not showing up in some areas

[@olevet75]

what model do you have 1, 2, oled?

[@n0t_pl0x0]

It would be incredible if they incorporated a "performance mode" in the new switch. An optional setting that is turned off by default and the people that want the extra power could just turn it on.

[@matthewshafer9545]

Not likely . Nintendo built Horizon on top of a micro kernel that somehow is running everything on an end user level, even Nvidias proprietary vGpu driver requires no elevated priviledge and facilitates calls via port to port communication without ever needing to make any system calls other then send message . Performance mode tweaks would require system user privilege to modify existing presets and that is what they are trying to not give you .

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

Man that so smooth. Can’t wait to play them back on Switch Gen 2

[@xtr.7662]

Nintendo wont make it 60fps oficially

[@electrofreak0]

I could see an optimized console with higher GPU and memory bandwidth to help with DLSS while also not completely destroying the power draw. I wonder if they are tinkering with the idea of offering two power modes in handheld like a power efficient 30 fps mode and a 60 fps quality mode. Would be neat to see Nintendo cater a little bit to those willing to sacrifice a bit of battery for higher fps. Too bad Pokemon will be locked at a solid 10 fps on quality mode if recent releases are anything to go on.

[@rustyshackleford6957]

I can’t wait to see the switch successor.

[@GamingTechReview]

Steam deck tried, asus rog and now Lenovo. None can match the price to performance and battery life. The switch is too cheap of a price to compete with. They would lose money selling the steam deck for as low as the switch.

[@MrStarkisser]

Won't faster to almost instantaneous loading times reduce battery also? If you spend less time in loading screens you can slightly increase the wattage output. Keeping it roughly the same as oled switch battery...I think

[@DigitalIP]

Really gotta tone down that lighting some man, it looks good sure but damn its bright as hell. Does repasting the OG Switch not help control temps?

[@seifenspender]

FYI, I've been running my Unpatched Switch at maxed clocks using sys-clock for 2 years now. About 300 hours of playtime in BotW/TotK overclocked. No problems so far.

[@BlackInfiniteStar]

What difference sysclck and 4ifir?

[@seifenspender]

@@BlackInfiniteStar I used maximum clocks it allows. Or what do you mean?

[@alannicolasdeoliveira3968]

A small curiosity for people interested in switch overclocking. The v2 switch revision (ips panel with mariko soc) is the best model to overclock because the cooling system is the same of the v1 model but it consumes much less power and runs much more cooler. The oled revision don't use the same cooling solution like the previous model (smaller fan, smaller heatpipes), is still better than v1 but it runs more hotter than v2 model...

[@Lachesis3D]

It was not a huge problem even for Switch lite on max freqs, 4IFIR aggressively energy optimized, including undervolting

[@KeinNiemand]

Clearly you just need to watercool it for soem real overclocking

[@munthirkhan1217]

I cam from an era where sub 30fps was the normal for most games, 60fps is a luxury but not a necessity for the likes of us

[@supabass4003]

Yep, Ocarina of Time was 17fps on PAL and it was fine 😄

[@LuigiXHero]

I came from slightly before that where most SNES games were 60fps.

[@clouds-rb9xt]

@@supabass400320FPS NTSC, yet surprisingly it doesn't feel like it.

[@Shikon]

then nintendo can sell you crap

[@joshd108]

I really want to see a switch converted to a console only orientation. A lil diy box Over clocked, water cooled and in a new sleek case.

[@DaFunk14]

One thing that sort of comes to mind for me is.. If we're able to run games in higher frame rates just by overclocking the hardware, could we actually be able to have better performance with backwards compatibility on the Switch's successor?

[@Propinbo]

depends on Nintendo

[@rvreqTheSheepo]

Vita can't overclock PSP games to 500mhz having some guts of PSP inside and PSP games are capped to 333mhz afaik, so I'm afraid that would not be happening

[@DaFunk14]

@@rvreqTheSheepo True, that's a good point

[@livinlicious]

potentially, because most expect the Switch 2 not to be a different system, but basically a Switch PRO. Like a Gameboy Color, it would play all Switch Software but exclusive Switch2 Titles on top, which the original Switch wouldnt play. Nintendo has done this many times, for example the Gameboy Color (playing all GB games), the Advance (playing all GB and GBC games), the Wii (playing all GC games). This form of embedded full backwards compatibility, by just adding the native hardware is something Nintendo is very famous for, and basically nobody else did. The PS2 early models could play native PS1 games, but that was later removed and replaced by software emulation. But the negative of that is that it only runs games at native power of the originals. Wii is a good example, the Gamecube games didnt run better on the Wii, they ran exactly the same. Granted back in those days, many games had interrupts that were specific to the hardware clockspeeds. So you had gamebreaking bugs if it wasnt the native hardware. So the safeplay is probably to add a legacy chip on the Switch2 that operates all Switch titles as if it were an original Switch. That way you have 100% compatibility.

[@EmergencyChannel]

@livinlicious the new switch probably uses a newer Tegra chip, same as the old switch. It being the same architecture should make backwards compatibility easy.

[@Astronic]

Hey MVG. Where do you live now and how come you left Australia? I lived there 5 years and wanna move back in the future.

[@a3rkt]

Yes, finally I have nothing to add, now you really have unlocked almost all the performance of the switch 👍

[@Lachesis3D]

Not really. “4IFIR 1.7 Placebo” has more performance per watt than 1.6 And even more performance per watt will come with 1.8 soon.

[@a3rkt]

​@@Lachesis3D ну видео с 2397/1305/2500 это уже горааздо лучше, чем прошлые видосы с "невероятным" разгоном до док значений с оперативкой 1900 через криво поставленный sys-clk поверх)

[@SAILSANDPLUMES]

All games i launch crashes at boot or randomly while playing when I installed 4ifir. Can you guide me? ​@@Lachesis3D

[@tarvest]

We've already seen FSR 2 working and used on the Xbox Series consoles and the PS5. AI upscaling will hopefully help in keeping hardware relevant for longer.

[@MrBearyMcBearface]

No. It's being used a a crutch. Now you have to use it or games run like ass. Ai upscaling is stupid.

[@tarvest]

@Zellonous It's not the upscaler's fault that developers are relying on it. It's a very useful and welcome technology. They keep older hardware playing newer games when applied correctly, though many developers are unfortunately using it as a scapegoat for not optimizing their games by supposedly "designing them with upscalers in mind."

[@jagstax7746]

Anything over -8w on battery will hurt the battery. So please anyone watching don't use this OC on Battery

[@RvEllorquez]

Yeah. I shouldve known that earlier.

[@silentblackhole]

Breath of the Wild is my personal best game of all time. I really hope they all go all in on the "Switch 2" and give their most successful console of all time the susessor it deserves.

[@rs10269]

Collab with 4ifir creator or interview will be interesting

[@vladdyomkin]

4ifir creator already gave an interview, but it's in russian

[@Lachesis3D]

@@vladdyomkin It would be a great honor for me to give an interview to MVG. True, my spoken English leaves much to be desired, and I hope that my speech won’t make your ears bleed :(

[@lonergothonline]

I hope some one on youtube eventually buys a hdmi crt that outputs at 720p natively, and just play all the modern consoles on that, so as to not tax the compute/graphics hardware, it could be an idea for a series where you 'make it run less hot'.

[@linuxstreamer8910]

70% in a hour that is rough

[@densetsu4286]

Hey MVG love your content, however i do think you are making a mistake near the end. All you are talking about is clock increases and well thats a bit wrong. Look at current CPUs. Current cpus havent seen any real noticeable jump in clock speeds in over 15yrs. We have been stuck at the 4-5ghz for a very long time. And yet our cpus have gotten massively better. Why? the instruction set, more cores, smaller die processes, etc. Clock speeds are just a part of the equation. Its the same with gpus. Look at ps5 for example. What are it clocks speeds? They are about 2ghz. And yet the ps5 2ghz spanks switch's performance at 2.5ghz. So yes speed. But its not that important when compared to newer hardware. And this is also applied to memory. The new nintendo console could quite literally have the same clocks across the board but with the newer cpu, gpu and ram the performance of the system could easily spank the switches. Maybe you didn't mean for it to come off a certain way but it sounded like you were giving way too much credence to the clock speeds. Again clock speeds are only apart of the equation. Switch hardware is over 6 years old. And in the mobile realm thats ancient. And we really cant be looking at the other handhelds like steamdeck or legion etc as a point of understanding. They are trying to brink pc games to handheld with no real optimization. Hence why we see shitier performance on them. When if nintendo would to use those specks we could easily see something much better in game optimized for it.

[@coreypasternak9435]

God I love emulating this game on my pc 4k 60 fps in this game is a freaken dream that nintendo hardware could only imagine doing it feels so smooth aiming the bow and the visuals with 4k brings this game to life and it looks absolutely beautiful

[@chlorobyte_projects]

@@N_N23296 get it from the switch with nxdumptool then

[@Piggieyt75]

Would recommend you try it on an impulse display, like a CRT or Plasma if you have access to either. 60fps is absolutely amazing on those.

[@xProErax]

4:22 I don't know if this is like a latest patch or whatever, but I remember seeing the enemies in the starting area fly away with the second axe swing and seeing them just plop down is so unsatisfying

[@shawtycreepen5055]

Nice video!!!On 1.7 version of 4ifir is better performance, in last update was added 4ifir wizard for configuration your kip (undervolting gpu, configurate ram timings and clock)

[@hyper9984]

When was the 1.7 version of 4IFIR released? I'm still on 1.6.

[@kapez92]

@@hyper9984 3-4 weeks ago, name 1.7 placebo

[@1lichfield]

KZbinr Zac Builds did this, but he made a custom dock,and changed the back plate to aluminium and applied new past,also put a noctua fan in the dock he 3d printed

[@teo_ww]

Very interesting. Do you see any scenario where Nintendo could launch a 400$ new system more powerful but capped at 15w, alongside a last revision for Mariko? An oled lite if you will? Or will they drop the switch all at once?

[@RowanFN]

I have a few switches, my V1 I modified internally a lil, not on the chip itself under the plate as it was hard to get off, but I thermaled the shield and heatsink, aluminium backplate for as much heat distribution as possible. Can fully OC as much as I can on a V1 and it doesn't get too hot overall :)

[@Lachesis3D]

Thanks to undervolting even for v1 in 4IFIR

[@nik12937]

Just a heads up, the "dev" of 4IFIR has been caught on several occasions stealing code from other projects like the Switch-OC-Suite, as well as fudging power draw numbers to make their OC software appear more efficient. I'd recommend people steer clear and use alternatives.

[@mjcox242]

"fuddgeing power draw numbers" May I question how this is pulled off, the performance overlay is entirely separate from the overclocking tool.

[@mjcox242]

Just looked into it, yeh, they have murged alot of tools into 1

[@vladdyomkin]

Bruh, how cam you steal from an OPEN-SOURCE project? And power draw bug was fixed a looong ago. Фанбой мехи, разлогинься))

[@xtr.7662]

Oh my god sjw behaviour on hacking scenes nothing surprising

[@fluttersyy]

Ловец, это ты? Мы узнали тебя по твоим шизоидным словам и всерам

[@CristianLopez-xi4rt]

DLSS is bigger than what people think. Using it for a few years now I went from thinking it was just nonsense to brilliant. I rather play a game with 100 to 120 fps with DLSS than a game at 40 to 60 fps with native resolution. Yes the image is not 100% but the fluidity of the game makes you forget about the quality of the image.

[@waffleten9750]

Yeah but DLSS shouldn't be used if the game can't hit at least 30 or 60fps which is what a lot of AAA games have been doing.

[@CristianLopez-xi4rt]

@@waffleten9750 Have you ever worked or played on a 144hz Monitor. Because I did and I got spoiled, the least I like to play is at 80 to 100 fps but 4K 120 FPS is my AAA game preferred way to play on my OLED TV with PC of course.

[@waffleten9750]

@@CristianLopez-xi4rtYeah it's my main monitor along with two 75hz displays (well 120hz but still) and still. DLSS Should not be used if the game can't hit 30 to 60 with it. I have a pretty upper mid rang PC and I struggle to run certain AAA games at 60 with mid to high settings let alone above that. If it's DLSS in a game like Metro Exodus sure I turn it on it looks great but if it's something like Far Cry 6 I leave it off it looks like shit and the boost it gives to my framerate doesn't offset, it.

[@CristianLopez-xi4rt]

@waffleten9750 Well I'm sorry you've been soured by DLSS on certain games. But even like you said not everybody can have a nextgen PC with a 40 series card. But if you can have tech like DLSS or FSR 3 for people that cannot have a next gen PC or Console I think is brilliant, because you get the same content without being too diluted with cut out assests.

[@JotaRPG]

you need the dynamic fps cheat to run a good fps in 1080p

[@VanitasYoutube]

it is kinda safe now? Looks like oled can push much more than nintendo thinks, this stock parameters are insanely low

[@AlexSwanson1]

Is running botw at 4k60 with DLSS even that impressive? It runs at 720p30 (with drops ) on wii u! Over ten years of hardware later I’d hope docked 4k60 would be pretty easy on a switch 2!

[@bulletpunch9317]

Its easy on docked mode, even native 4k, but not if you want reasonable battery life and temps in handheld.

[@RvEllorquez]

You act like ps5 and xbox S had games running 4k60 lol. A switch is a handheld console. 😂😂

[@onlyvini.]

If I overclock and undervolt at the same time, can I get more performance with the same battery life?

[@matthewshafer9545]

Even overclocked, it's hard to see maintaining 60 fps . There are parts that can't manage 30 . That being said, I think the engine could handle it without crashing or glitching in a way that would cause it to be unplayable .

[@pracalt1051]

3:58 just little nitpick But the tool is pronounced Chefir Not fourifir But either way I’m glad ur giving this tool a spotlight

[@ajxtc2]

How about 1080p/40fps?

[@jeremymalaspina8458]

i got to this video late MVG. my question is hypothetically speaking if you had a bigger heat sink or water cooled the chipsets would you be able to push it further? i feel like they squeezed all the blood out of this stone.

[@joeykeilholz925]

60 fps? Dang, we must be at 4 GHz 😉

[@DailyCorvid]

4 Giga bean-cans of internet as well! Shit. Why am I not surprised, Switch 2 is well under way I knew it! Switch 1.5 lol.

[@TheVideogamemaster9]

It deeply hurts me that even on the most powerful consoles in 2023, 30fps is still considered normal, compared to gamecube games 20 years ago being a constant 60.

[@Phoenix_1991]

​@@TheVideogamemaster9the wind waker, twilight princess and Mario sunshine were all 30fps games.

[@mjcox242]

​@@Phoenix_1991sunshine ran verry close to 60 on GameCube before Nintendo caped it down to 30 If you load the game on a moded Wii it runs stable 60 with a small patch

[@xtr.7662]

​@@mjcox242it probably was 60fps on the levels and 40-60fps on the hub area mario galaxy looked better on the overclocked wii and ran at a locked 60

[@MissJaeMusic]

That's really low render resolution with DLSS to produce that amount of aliasing. It's likely still rendering at 720p looking at the video footage.

[@Hobo_X]

I fucking HOPE the next switch could run BOTW at 4K60 *without* DLSS. It's not hard to do, even through emulation, so a next-gen switch doing so natively should be easy. God I want nintendo to take the hardware seriously once again but they never fail to disappoint.

[@lol-ih1tl]

They should also make the graphics so ultra realistic that they break the fabric of reality

[@RvEllorquez]

On dock yes. But handheld? Hell no.

[@Dragzilla66]

Now try the overclocking with Tears of the Kingdom!

[@vladdyomkin]

Please, don't ever use the switch oc suite. It's extremely user unfriendly, has some flaws, you have to tweak a LOT of things before jumping into playing, and it's community is just straight up toxic. Keep using the 4ifir, which is super easy and convienient to use. Performance will be roughly the same, but on 4ifir your temps and power draw will be MUCH lower.

[@soulsmwc]

use ocs

[@vladdyomkin]

@@soulsmwc you meant eos? Nah, it's giving crap performance

[@wanggaard]

I'm curious if MVG did the Mariko mod himself. It is a near-microscopic BGA operation, right?

[@Dorianek8]

Dude google what bag means and stop talking shit, modding oled switch is quite easy for everyone that has PCB soldering experience

[@alvisegamma3369]

4IFIR💀 You really should use Switch OC Suite

[@rashevskyv]

No, with 4ifir you can obtained much more

[@Propinbo]

Meha's just copying Cooler

[@alvisegamma3369]

@@rashevskyv Yeah with fake values while potentially damaging your console, who does 1305 gpu on battery??

[@alvisegamma3369]

@@PropinboMore like Cooler copying Kazu

[@Name_cannot_be_blank]

@@alvisegamma3369 they arent fake, as you saw in the video, and for "who does" these values arent for your average gamer they are for people like in the vide, just to see how far you can push it, noone would realistacly game at this everyday

[@mstyle2006]

Waking up at 6AM it is always welcome to see a video from you ready to watch.

[@RowanFN]

Love you've got something like this on a oled model!

[@PieStudios]

I’d love to see you experiment with Shin Megami Tensei V in terms of overclocking

[@Oryon7]

Granted, this is an older video, and much has came to our attention since. Great video overall, but it must be said... Expecting 1.5 to 1.8 Ghz GPU clocks on Switch 2, even for docked mode, is pretty unrealistic expectations. Especially if you look at the kind of power draw Ampere architecture is able to deliver at the performance we hope to get. Ampere chips that get anywhere close to 15w(Jetson Orin family) are clocked as low as 625 MHz, and that's not including a display. Additionally, other components like memory are significantly downclocked, even below Switch levels. Also, @ 1.8 GHz on the GPU, we are looking at a 5.5 TF handheld when docked! That'd be nice, but we'd be LUCKY if we get something even APPROACHING 4TF. This outlook has nothing to do with "Nintendo being cheap." It's not so much that these specs are impossible, but that they might be impossible given other factors Nintendo HAS to consider in order to make a well balanced device. Like... 1) Cost. A Manufacturing node of 4nm might produce those results, but they'll be paying high price to compete for chips, which affects the unit price they'd like to hit. They may have to select a larger, but cheaper node, in order to come in at an attractive price. Unfortunately, it'll make those specs even harder to attain. 2) Portable performance. This is probably the #1 constraint Nintendo/Nvidia is working with.(The video nailed it in regards to addressing CPU constraints, but got a bit loose on the GPU side). As long as they have decent cooling, they can really push the chip in docked mode. However, they can NOT have TOO LARGE a difference in performance between the two modes. If the console can't maintain the very base make-up/performance of the game when in handheld mode, it will add a development burden, making portable mode a challenge for developers. This would be essentially like developing for two different SKUs! *Nintendo MUST avoid this at all costs, even if it means having a less powerful device overall!* We've seen(and heard from decelopers) how easy it is to transition from docked mode to handheld mode, and vice versa. The device is specifically tuned to make that transition as smooth as possible. Conversely, with Xbox, we've seen/heard how difficult it is to get Series X stuff running on the Series S, especially without planning from day 1. That's the result of having two specs that are vastly different. Nintendo will want to repeat their very successful model of selecting very specific GPU clocks, very specific memory speeds, coupled with same CPU speed, and same memory size in both modes. They can't get too crazy with their docked mode, even if they can. All that said, I think Switch 2 will be hella impressive. It may not come out on top in theoretical performance, but what it will achieve it's going to be incredible to watch. Like its predecessor, I expect it to offer the best bang for the buck. That is; the best performance AT the lowest cost, AND with the best battery life. Those are the targets you wanna hit SIMULTANEOUSLY, when talking about superior handheld design.

[@robertwahlstrom]

That some insanely low power draw from that sort of performance, feels like we are moving towards having something like 20Tflops drawing like 5 watt of power eventually and at that point you could wonder if there is even any point in having a stationary computer or console at all.

[@HuddyTheBuddy]

Honestly, with the leaked hardware of the T239 (or if it’s the Thor chip, but I find that much harder to believe), I can’t see how Nintendo wouldn’t be able to just immediately run basically all of their first-party games at 4K60 natively. Sure, DLSS could always be utilized to help keep things cool, keep performance consistent, or save battery in handheld mode. But seeing as we’re able to approach 1080p60 on current hardware (or in cases like MK8DX and SSBU actually hit it), if we’re getting a 6x increase in CUDA cores and more CPU cores on a more efficient architecture, as long as Nintendo keeps the same clocks and fixes the memory problems (which will also be going to LPDDR5) there’s no reason they would even need to use DLSS for their own backwards compatible titles. I can start to see how they’re managing to showcase these tech demos behind closed doors!

[@xtr.7662]

They wont upgrade any of their 30fps games to 60 only 4k dlss sold as new ports you will only be able to play backwards compatible games at higher dynamic res and more stable fps and most games released will continue to be 30fps just a higher visual fidelity

[@KROMO50]

Love the wide camera

[@MarzMindset]

Love this video. Didn't know you could tinker with Switch like that but it makes sense.

[@nullgator8073]

The leaks indicate the new switch will have 8 cores but I think it's entirely possible we only get 6 or even 4 of those cores for battery life and chip yield reasons. As shown here cpu isn't usually the limiting factor in the majority of switch games.

[@ZackSNetwork]

Your wrong it’s an 8 core A78 CPU with 12gbs of LPDDR5 ram and a 128bit bus.

[@HaxHaunter]

are you able to try with other games just to see how does it look? Particularly games that are known to struggle on the Switch, like Age of Calamity or Pokemon Scarlet? im not talking about 60fps necessesarily, btw. Just more stable framerates without slowdowns.

[@joshxx1]

What camera and software do you use for your videos ? It looks better than most content creators

[@austingaines788]

❤ your content. I feel like u are a long lost friend. From psp modding back in 2008 till now I never would have imagined I'd actually see one of the entrepreneurs. May your days be full of happiness like you have given to me my friend!

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

It’s pretty easy to pop open the switch and put on some K5 pro heat transfer material don’t know if you need to change the back panel though the OLED model might come standard with an aluminum back plate

[@DoomyRei]

The best of the console must be insane lol

[@AirHomeboy187]

Can you do any game or just offline games?

[@UnlockedANDunleashed]

Finally, the MVG I know is back and strongly

[@bulletpunch9317]

Finally some 4ifir action

[@boredstudent]

I love how that T-shirt you're wearing is a Nintendo T-shirt but spelled in Kanji characters. 任天堂 spells Nintendo

[@jamjam.100]

Can you do a tutorial on how to achieve this?

[@jjh1925]

I dont understand why they don't just give you the option to choose between a lower resolution/high fps and what we have at 1080p now if it doesn't destroy the hardware. It's the console we bought with our own money, why set a dumb standard to make your company seem even more tech slow, especially after the pokemon performance disaster

[@enescustovic1883]

They don't care about consumers that's why. They don't have to either with the profits they're making.

[@tulindotwav]

I'll just wait for the switch 2 next year