LET'S ARGUE: Ragnarok Was Disappointing

[@limkahhong2372]

Hot take: they did not show us how Mimir spent his night with Sigrun before the war

[@h1gh_end134]

Aight bruh you into something

[@Pluhpluh0]

not a hot take but 😳

[@DasVicks63]

He ate her tuna...

[@limkahhong2372]

Mimir:”I taught the lad how I wish I’d wooo’d” Kratos:”that night with Sigrun, did you?” Mimir:”oh brother, I wish….”

[@tortellium3750]

you know that tongue can still do wonders

[@xolotl0802]

Hot take: Honestly, I would've liked to see Athena return in Ragnarok in some way. Her appearance in the fourth game felt like some kind of teaser to show that she's still around and maybe planning something. Not only that, but seeing her reaction to Kratos' complete Redemption would be really cool.

[@godzillazfriction]

I hope they release a dlc like doom eternal but make it free.... also both the new gows and doom are almost the same games or concept.... the first game has a simpler story while the second is a morw crazy lore filled game which is what gow ragnarok is to doom eternal

[@Dr.Yakub22]

She should have been in the games especially since she's still "alive" in the end of GOW3 and was still angry at kratos for not giving her the power of hope

[@elk_moonshine]

Athena will most likely tie in a futute game. The end of gow3 with the higher plane of existence connects to the rift more than likely. Plus, if you have read the fallen god comic, it's likely that she's in leagues with a god from Egypt.

[@Ze_graveto]

maybe a story for another game lol

[@boopagm8275]

well that wasn't actually her, it was Kratos having a trauma fueled hallucination

[@blademystro]

Hot take: the Greek saga of games fully depicted Kratos' true strength just making them more fun. This is a guy you can see is going all out balls to the walls crazy. The Norse series just didn't touch on that enough

[@lefonwastaken3393]

Yeah, miss that Kratos. Like he says in GoW 2018, use your anger as a weapon or sth, he should’ve done exactly that during fights, used his anger. But makes sense that he didn’t want to show his old self to his son. But we need to see that again 😭

[@Rageren]

Because he's holding back in order to not to return to his old ways of rage and destruction. You're missing the point of these new games. He's defeated every god who's crossed him in Norse, and he's holding back. Kratos in Greek was going all out and still struggled with killing many of the Greek pantheon.

[@thxr9766]

@@Rageren true but we needed to see a kratos no holding back scene, we couldve got that with heimdall, imagine if he killed him in a brutal way like he killed helios, hermes and poseidon in gow3, i honestly was so hyped when he started smashing his head on the ground but was dissapointed when he just strangled him

[@mr.careka365]

@@lefonwastaken3393 kratos holding back is not fun for the player tho

[@aeso3555]

@@Rageren By III, only the big three (Poseidon, Hades and Zeus) were able to give him any challenge. Every other god just became canon fodder.

[@allgaming9737]

hot take: the last battle should have been more cinematic for example fighting Thor while riding Jormungandr, he hits the serpent and goes to the past while we fall in front of the lodge, or Odin using tricks in battle. Imagine if we had to fight a hallucination of Young Kratos or Faye in the Odin fight and Kratos goes full berserk, and defeating Odin too with that rage, then the rest plays out the same with Atreus removing his soul and Freyr's sacrifice.

[@sedlyholmes3722]

Yeah eric Williams seems don't got that epic mind

[@FluffedMexicano]

This is really the only hot take I agree with

[@Theboredgod]

@@sedlyholmes3722 eric williams imagined more but uhh yea budget buddy its called budget not lack of imagination its clear in the end of gowr

[@naisagathefirstdestronmand8559]

Budget, also camera. It would’ve been terrible with the new camera. Asgard still feels lack luster to me, but with how the game is…it’s perfect. More would’ve needed to be changed with the game in order to change it. Remember the whole point is to destroy Asgard too. It shouldn’t be a place we want to stay in long.

[@sriramgovindarajan2585]

@@Theboredgod the games name is ragnarok.this final battle is the one which they should have had budget for. Not for the boring section with angraboda

[@averageringedfingerenjoyer9443]

Cold take: We still don't know for who blew the horn while Atreus was sick.

[@rickyjrvallee3707]

It's angrboda who blew de horn

[@infinitywaffle1185]

@@rickyjrvallee3707 how do you know

[@Ze_graveto]

maybe a story for another game :)))))))))))

[@BananaLuigi]

It was Atreus from the future, time traveling back in time to say hi

[@ashtoncasedy3237]

@@infinitywaffle1185 HOW DO YOU KNOOWW?!?!

[@DatLeafyBoi]

Hot take: If it took longer to get the tip of a chisel then for the entirety of Ragnarok to happen, something is wrong. The end of God of war Ragnarok was rushed as all hell, And underdeveloped. They literally got all of the armies off screen, kratos deciding to be a general meant nothing because he wasn't even a general he literally just told them to keep moving forward a bunch of times. There's so much about Ragnarok that was stupid and undercooked.

[@lefonwastaken3393]

I actually.. kinda agree with the first one. The final act felt rushed for some reason, it ended way too quick. We already got one game that lead to it. Ragnarok built it up and I was expecting a huge showdown. At least Thor and Odin fights should’ve been on a bigger scale, just like with Baldur and how they both just split the ground apart just by struggling against each other, could’ve shown Kratos and Thir trading blows and sending shockwaves or some shit. If Thor could send Jormie back in time with his strike, I’m sure a fight with Kratos wouldve been destructive

[@Owen-sx4jj]

Exactly. They barely even damaged the house next to them.

[@b.u.l.1734]

And where are the other Gods from the Norse pantheon? You telling me that Asgard is under attack and only Thor, Sif, Thrud and Odin are there?

[@warrenharshaw7677]

Exactly. I don't know why a lot of people like the ending stage. You didn't fight hardly any minibosses. You definitely should have fought that valkyrie boss. And the Thor fight at the beginning of the game was better than both the Thor and Odin fight at the end.

[@shinyzy]

Yeah I feel like Thor shoulda sent him flying and it should damaged everything around them. And odin would like be hella pissed and do some crazy stuff. Idk but it definitely should have been better especially since it’s the thing that was so hyped for not just 2018 but even raganrok. I didn’t like how it just felt like a normal stage like going through some enemies then fighting Thor in a normal fight, then right after odin just felt meh.

[@warrenharshaw7677]

Salvina Devi Yeah, and Odin didn't really feel that powerful either. He is the Allfather. He is supposed to be the most powerful being in the realms. But he fought like a regular sorcerer. His fight wasn't even that hard. Why would Odin need to make a deal with Kratos or even hold a child hostage in order to escape?

[@justin_hero9647]

Hot take: Really disappointing that the developers didn't give any reward for dedicated players who finished Ragnarok in Give me God of War difficulty. Maybe some transmog skins with God armour from God of War 2 or God of War 3 skin.

[@jinsakai2047]

Gow2 armour would be good in ragnarok

[@Pluhpluh0]

they’d never do that, but something like the zeus armor from the last game would be nice.

[@Dctctx]

@@Pluhpluh0 something like that will probably be available from berserkers in ng+

[@DasVicks63]

God I hope this game gets dlc or a major free update

[@saikyue4462]

I get why they didnt tho yet, because when you finish the game the first time, you do on give me no mercy and then everyone waits for ng+ to release and then they beat it on gmgow, so i get why there arent any rewards yet, they will probably add them as soon as ng+ comes out, cuz then everyone will beat the game on gmgow eventually

[@haydenuchiha135]

Reason why i felt dissatisfied with Ragnarok, is that there was no big epic moments like the older game or even the final battle of the last game. I wanted the battle to be something crazy, seeing thor and kratos fight while Jormie is doing attacks in the background or something, or fighting on surtr as thor and odin doing some cool shit. Not just a battle outside some unimpressive hut. It felt so wrong that the battle between thor and kratos and kratos and odin was limited to one small enemy. Surtr shows up and just stands menacingly in the battle and does nothing else. That's my issue. You said it did everything it need to do but that's literally the bare minimum in that case.

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

Lol even game design wise you can't spam 20 mobs at Kratos in the open field, it's just impossible. Newer games are quite different from older ones. Very flashy, unbalanced and less story focused Ragnarök = bitching about combat balance, pacing and inconsistency of game's themes. Very tight, less flashy and more story focused Ragnarök = bitching about how older games were better, Kratos is sissy now and overall just lackluster action. Y'all WILL BEVER BE SATISFIED. You can only give and give and give endless stupid advice, you cannot even grasp the complexity of developing such a big game. You can't satisfy everyone. And yet you mfs will never be happy with what you've got!

[@postdboy]

You are in a war, you aren't touring asgard, you're in there for one thing and one thing only and that is to beat or kill Odin while Thor is distracted fighting the giant snake and then quickly get out of there before surtr obliterates everything, this isn't god of war 3, you don't need everything to be extremely flashy for it to be good, and plus Odin is a manipulator not am insane thing that kills anything and everything and they already show what Odin can do, the hel-walkers, the corrupted valkyries, and his abuse of Thor, you literally have a talking head on your waist telling you all about what hes done, if Odin can't manipulate someone he'll just simply kill or destroy as shown with Thor, hell right after that he tried to manipulate thrud into thinking kratos and the others were still the enemy's and when he realized that didnt work what did he do? Grab mjolnir and launch thrud, just because they aren't flying or teleporting all over asgard like it's DBZ doesn't mean it's not a good battle.

[@haydenuchiha135]

@@postdboy so what made it a good battle?

[@postdboy]

@@haydenuchiha135 the fact that all of the nine realms were finally getting together to take down Odin once and for all because they were tired of his ways because of the fact kratos accepting to be their general instead of denying it like he earlier in the game and on top of that in Thor's last moments he was finally standing up to Odin when he never did his entire life only to just be killed and having the satisfaction of taking down Odin and avenging Thor, brok, and everyone else he's killed, seeing sindri's character parallel kratos' and freya's characters with both of them accepting that they really don't need to kill Odin but sindri goes in the complete opposite direction due to the death of brok, kratos admitting to atreus that he was wrong and telling him to open his heart to others suffering because that's just the way he is, and seeing almost every character you've interacted with in the game having a helping hand in stopping Odin. Like I said earlier if you basically just want to ignore everyone's characters and just want raw action and chaos go to gow 3

[@haydenuchiha135]

@@postdboy you can have raw action and good writing. Too bad this had neither.

[@zratos1963]

Hot take: The story in ragnarok is the worst in the series. I feel like they were setting up a lot of interesting plot points in gow4 and yet they didn't elaborate on them or they didn't use them to their full potential in gow5. The pacing was horrible and what was the biggest issue for me is how the characters talked. What i loved about the greek games and gow4 is that the characters were speaking in a very "poetic" manner. In ragnarok a lot of the characters speak like modern people which wouldn't be that bad if those cringe dialogues didn't appear that often.

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

LMFAOOOO How is it worse than Ascension? You pretentious "fans" are unbearable. But hey, no one hyped you up for disappointment! Marketing was tame, it was your own problem you expected too much. Most of GoW 4 themes are referenced and answered. Dialogue is perfectly fine. Get off the bandwagon, turn on your brain for once and replay the game.

[@Jasontodd_edits]

God of war betrayal chains of Olympus Ascension god of war gos

[@Lord_Kratos69]

@@Jasontodd_editschains of Olympus is great

[@Fandom_Man]

Okay can explain in what scenes where you see these complaints because a lot of the plot points in the 2018 game where addressed in this game so where exactly are you complaining, unless you are stupid and didn’t pay attention to anything which is what most complainers do

[@ramdhanisingh2103]

Hot take: Hel's army was barely present at the battle of Ragnarok, I mean we get to see The dark elves fight and die, the light elves were sorta missing but for Hel's side, only a ship was there and barely any dead to fight and besides that ship there was no trace of Helheim in the battle.

[@luckyplvys]

and surtur… lol

[@Vangaurd_tiger]

Helheim and musplheim tower fell by those bifrost machins

[@balrogsareop4773]

​@@Vangaurd_tiger more like they fell by the games budget

[@martinc8965]

​@@balrogsareop4773I doubt it, they spent a lot to make a huge area such as the crater, which is optional, they could easily discard that area that looks like a 5-hour dlc and invest it in ragnarok, but they simply didn't want to, at least I think so, and I also think that It is ridiculous to give some kind of role to an army of the undead simply because it would not make sense, the aesir gods, especially Thor, destroy the entire ragnarok bestiary like flies, why give them more importance when in the same game they imply that they are only cannon fodder to reach odin?

[@parthsharma465]

Hot take: God of war ragnarok doesnt feel like a good god of war game, its like i am playing characters in a movie

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

L take

[@fahyimasyrani3229]

i got 2 hot take for gow ragnarok, 1. everytime i am juggling my enemy and when the got stunned, they get glued to the ground. when an enemy stunned it means they are just fully injured, cant block and open to be attack, and the worst part is the cant risen up again. 2.i hate how when ever i do my runics onto bosses like berserkers, they do not get staggered but they litterally walk around the arena and then cancel my runics whenever the attack me.

[@Anarchnid]

Hot take: the part where Kratos tells Freya about his past was disappointing. They basically said Kratos destroyed Olympus because Ares tricked him, even though that's NOT what happened. Kratos killed Ares in the hopes of being released from his past, and he destroyed Olympus because of the amount of manipulation and abuse he suffered from the gods. Being denied release, being forced to become the god of war, being forced to kill his own mother, losing his brother and the gods only having to say "Your ties to this world are severed. You are ready to be a god." And finally, Zeus betraying him. All of those things are why he destroyed Olympus, and why he was so angry and vengeful in GoW II and III.

[@h1gh_end134]

And why would kratos tell freya all of that? He put it in simple terms, whats so disappointing about that

[@Anarchnid]

@@h1gh_end134 I went more in depth than they would need to, but it's the fact that said Ares tricking him was the ONLY thing that caused him to destroy Olympus. If they at least mentioned that there were other things, even just simply saying something like, "-after suffering years of manipulation and abuse from the gods,-" it would've been better. The current writers are saying past Kratos was a character with the depth of a sheet of paper because that's what people who barely remember the old games say.

[@gonhunter3994]

@@Anarchnid + Ares didn't "trick" him, unless we don't know everything he said to persuade Kratos & the spartans to kill everyone in the village. Smth like "they are an incestous people, so my sister Athena would want this, undoubtedly". All he told them was "they worship her, not me, kill them", as far as we know

[@Anarchnid]

@@gonhunter3994 the trick was putting Kratos's family in that village, even though they were supposed to be in Sparta

[@karlopopovic810]

What i was disappointed about is the way he told Freya about murdering his wife and child. Like here we are strolling through vanaheim, traversing some walls, murdering plants and shiet, and kratos casually slips his heaviest burden to Freya like it was ice cream.

[@jacksykes4429]

Hot take: The next mythology should be Aztec. Egyptian would be too safe I think. Aztec is far more interesting and greater potential for fun gameplay and aesthetics, and it’s a very underrated mythology in general!

[@marcussims1615]

Historically... Egypt Gods came n went before Kratos was even born

[@infinitywaffle1185]

@@marcussims1615 not in gow universe you missed the hidden dialogue look it up

[@aeso3555]

To be a bit fair on the whole war on Asgard thing, the second battle between the Gods and Titans, despite having an epic introduction, ended in minutes, by which point only Gaia and Perses were still alive.

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

Exactly lol. Being hyped up for 3 years and then ending in like 10 minutes? And people still bitch about Asgard battle, but don't do the same regarding Titans battle, although the same complaints can be implied!

[@thelegandgamer2830]

People are just biased for the old games that's it I love the old trilogy my favorite gow game is gow2 but they really need to relax

[@zeroskaterz92]

@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э Wtf do you mean ending in like 10 minutes? The war pretty much happened throughout the entire game itself. Kratos get to meet Perses after few hours by killing Helios then several hours later to kill Perses himself. Kratos even fought Cronos. Gaia interfered the last battle between Kratos and Zeus. Again, wtf do you mean ending in like 10 minutes? In this game, you as Kratos barely even participate in the war itself nor involved in any of the big event. All that shit happened in the background for few minutes. Then the entire f-king war just got skipped over. You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about here and clearly didn't even play the f-king game.

[@lordmoncef5494]

Yh but we saw how destructive they can be and they are on mountains they couldn t do much we saw how so many totans were taken down by the gods

[@vlad_47]

@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э Titanomachy should have been implemented better, but "This is my war. Not yours" worked fine aswell. To compare GoW 3 to Ragnarok, as the two final games in their Sagas, its outlandish to talk like Ragnarok had anywhere near more grandeur and spectacle. GoW 3 was the way more worthy end for its Saga, while Ragnarok didnt deliver on its name.

[@extra555]

Hot take: I don’t know why the bosses were a little size lacking, I loved the main story characters like Odin, Thor and the mini bosses but it would have had a more god of war feel if there was a big BIG boss. In gow3 you start of fighting POSEIDON’S GIANT FORM ON A TITAN

[@buildsparkling8911]

Yeah i mean i would have like to fight the same kind of dragon again like the one in the 2018 one. I mean nidhogg felt smaller than the mountain dragon. In the mythology, nidhogg is ALOT bigger.

[@Pimperson]

well garm was pretty cool imo

[@holty1314]

Hot take: Kratos’ arc was not giving into his old self wasn’t explored enough, sure he killed Heimdall by strangling him but he exploded his arm off and felt nothing which is worse. Maybe if we saw Kratos rip heimdall’s head off (helios style) or poke his eyes out and snap his neck (Poseidon style) or even both then we could see that, and one dream later Kratos has buried it.

[@Batman8877]

Hot take: People who think Ragnarok's story is a masterpiece are the same people who think modern Marvel movies are masterpieces.

[@Jasm783]

The last part when everyone is gathering together felt like a movie or something like that 😂😂🤣🤣

[@fishnutz5196]

I can tell you why bare handed was removed from a design stand point. Bare handed was only there to use when you throw your axe since you didnt have the blades for half the game. Ragnarok had the blades from the start

[@deadredveloz242]

I don't think the problem with the final battle was its length; it lacked buildup and execution. All the preparation for the battle was done off screen, so you didn't really care about the individual armies. We didn't get to see how and why they came together; they just decided to fight. The World Serpent and Fenrir just show up with no real purpose. Surtr has barely any role either. You don't get to get really close to these behemoths and witness their efforts, especially the World Serpent. Fenrir is just there to help everyone escape Ragnarok. We also didn't get to see much of Ragnarok; he was dealt with off screen while you had a basic fight with Thor and Odin. What happened to destructive fights like The Stranger? Kratos is also an appointed general, but he only commands the main group and the three Valkyries. There was also speculation about the cost of war, but there was none. Freyr dies, as do some Asgardian people, but they are given little focus. It would be one thing if we got to spend more time with them as Atreus, getting to know the people and what life was like in Asgard, but we barely get anything. So having them die didn't make me feel anything. You also fought enemies like you would anywhere else in the game; couldn't you fight with allies and against larger numbers of enemies? That would have made it feel like an actual war, but what we got was very generic. It was a standard God of War: Ragnarok level with cool things happening in the distance. Overall, it was passable, but that's it.

[@sleekrocketplayz2535]

Hot take: God of war 2018 has better blades and axe design

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

Just wrong

[@frisby7143]

I think i liked the fully upgraded one/ more in 2018

[@fearless_2714]

Hot Take: Asgard could've looked much better. In the mythologie, Odin has a Palace made out of Gold, in the game he lives in a regular house made out of wood. And the Walls of Asgard could have been much more beautiful. I was also disappointed that they did not show Valhalla, alot of missed Potential there.

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

Only agree about Valhalla. It was weird not seeing it.

[@frisby7143]

No, Valhalla was what was beyond the wall. Asgard is the entire realm

[@fearless_2714]

@@frisby7143 Valhalla is a giant hall, that's where the Einherjier live. And it's part of Asgard

[@gonzalopaezmartinez2650]

true power is not ostentatious, and valhalla is part of asgard where they are trained by the valkyries that was seen as soon as we entered asgard, and then they drink and eat together it was also seen in black thunder where thor was drinking with the enjerihar

[@rafly5443]

I heard from somewhere that they intended to have three games with the Norse setting, but then they changed it up to only two. Actually, now after looking at the story, this theory kinda makes sense. We got way too many things to focus on for just one game. I feel like they intended Thor to be the main baddie for the second game and save Odin for the last.

[@fayeharrison1741]

It wasn't "Intended", they questioned whether they should have 2 or 3 games and chose 2. There's a difference. It's like shitting your pants. You always have the option of shitting your breeches or not, but the other side is "I intended to not shit myself but was forced to due to lack of judgement". Hopefully that analogy helps :) pun not intended lol Edit: Just confirming the always having the option to shit yourself, like say you're at work and want to go home for the day, you can always shit yourself. Jus' sayin'. Edit Edit: You don't even have to shit yourself, you can just say you did and act like it, no body is gonna check to see if you actually did. OMG I've got to use this excuse... hahaha

[@coca9152]

@@fayeharrison1741 not the best example, but it makes sense. XD

[@naisagathefirstdestronmand8559]

@@Poise1 aside from internal issues, I think they might’ve hit a wall. I strongly believe that they only had enough material for half of a 3rd game due to making Atreus Loki. Basically Too much for 2 games, but not enough for 3 and tried to shove it all in 2, hence a lot of plot points in 2018 just being dropped.

[@boredomoverload8236]

23:00 no way that current kratos is stronger than prime kratos,it doesn’t even logically make sense because current kratos doesn’t have the power of hope nor the blade of Olympus

[@hexagonshorts2186]

For the first hot take. I feel that due to the commitment of a whole one take game with zero cuts , its difficult to implement a whole battlefield continuously being rendered with high quality graphics for a whole hour. GOW 3 had cutscenes but GOW 5 cannot have a cutscene. Considering that I think the devs gave us everything they promised. Odin and Thor fight. Destruction of Asgard. Even Thor 3 movie had like 5 mins of Raganarok with final destruction of Asgard

[@BlankEmporium]

So? A disappointment is still a disappointment.

[@STUNTllorddd]

"GOW 5 cannot have a cutscene" why? If it is so limiting why they sticked with it? That was just another bad decision.

[@mattcollins3591]

@@BlankEmporiumit’s not disappointing though.

[@BlankEmporium]

@@mattcollins3591 How not? An hour of a generic fire giant knocking over buildings and a couple fireballs Ragnarok it transmutes nary a kernel.

[@mattcollins3591]

@@BlankEmporium I thought it was fine 🤷‍♂️ lol 😆 but then again I don’t constantly find things in video games to complain about and fight about with strangers on the internet, I’m an adult and have a life

[@fireystyle3678]

Hot take: Kratos only beat Heimdall due to plot. If Tyr was really Odin all along, why didn’t he warn Heimdall of Druapnir? Why didn’t he say be careful of Kratos he wants to kill you? Why didn’t he simply take the horn from Heimdall (assuming Odin doesn’t care about Heimdall) Odin literally did nothing to impede the death of his loyalest solider. Anyways, when Heimdall actually fights Kratos, it was said that his senses were overwhelmed, sure. Why, after the first spear explosion, did he not simply always be wary of the spear? He continues to HOLD the spear like an idiot and let it explode like he didn’t just get hit by the explosion. Why doesn’t he, after getting hit, simply move out of the way of any spear explosions? The druapnir isn’t invisible as he can deflect the spear. Why did he even come to Vanaheim with the single gateway to Asgard, the horn? There are so many parts of the battle they just don’t add up. Not sure why Odin didn’t just give Heimdall a get out of jail free card like Sindri gave to Atreus to escape Thor.

[@Dlord1PlayStation]

That's why the Odin is Tyr plot twist actually made the story worse. Because Odin had all the insider info and did absolutely nothing to foil any of their plans. And then volunteers to go to Asgard and can't even keep up with lies HE VOLUNTEERED just to give an excuse to kill Brok and start Ragnarok because the plot demands it. Even Brok catching Odin trying to steal it when he thought nobody is watching/awake makes more sense than what happened.

[@nickchavez4935]

Ragnarok moves are better, that’s why there’s less runics. I’d argue, that GoW4 had worse runics and attacks. He did more with the blades for standard attacks, and Ragnarok fixed problems that I didn’t know I had. Like the heavy runic that slashes waves with the axe, is better in Ragnarok because that makes more sense to me. It’s the same concept, but I like that I don’t have to use a runic slot to use it. Edit: also they could’ve kept some of the standard blade moves from GoW4, or I wish the whiplash R2 would create a magma crater like the Hyperion slam or whatever it’s called.

[@cezarborta1160]

The fact is that Kratos didn't just hold back for no reason. He doesn't want to turn into his GoW 3 self again. We see that when he snaps in his first fight with Thor he instantly tried to control himself because if he continued he would have lost control. And when you go spartan rage at the next fight with Thor Mimir would tell him to control himself. So he's not actually holding back but more like trying to keep his rage umder control so he wouldn't loose control and start a rampage

[@paz1514]

"Who needs more character depth?" That is truly a hot take. I couldn't believe me ears

[@BigJay_]

Hot take: there should be more "circle" sections, if you know you know

[@hououinkyouma3864]

>We will never press circle with Sif Why live

[@BigJay_]

White woman moment

[@onder6063]

The problem is that modern games can't be that sexual but older games are more accepted to be

[@DaneofHalves]

Having played all 8 games to completion, I think I can safely say...I did not like this game.

[@ruin3949]

Well there's something left to be desired in the final battle but as Surtr said "It's not much but it is enough."

[@alexalexandru6215]

Hot take: The main weapon in ragnarok are the blades and the secondary weapon is the draupnir spear in my opinion. I mean, you kill almost everyone (INCLUDING SOME BOSSES) with the blades and the axe is almost forgettable

[@mirceatobosaru3894]

Agree a 100%

[@Az-gm4lq]

Blades are evrythink in life

[@Ze_graveto]

no mjolnir leads to this

[@drjcup3228]

The axe lost a lot of its utility and uniqueness because they omitted so many barehanded attacks. The barehanded/shield attacks were an extension of the axe’s movelist, imo.

[@Lord_Kratos69]

@@Az-gm4lqnahh

[@rachedbenayed4127]

For the second hot take : if you didn't' notice, they did remove many runic attacks but they made them basic attacks instead. I have three of them in my memory but I'm sure there's more : The move where you hold R1 with the axe The grapple with the blades The move where Kratos turns around throws the axe really hard after you charge it. And tbh I think it was pretty cool to allow the players to use these attacks whenever they want instead of having to wait for the cooldown ( Excuse my English I really tried lmao.)

[@infamouschad8650]

Also Wrath of the Frost Giant when using 3x r1 then 3x r2. Blessing of the Frost can be used when your Permafrost is full by pressing L1+TRIANGLE.

[@umbralimbo1947]

Hot take: watching GOW Ragnarok is better than playing it because GOW isn't fun anymore

[@PunkThrashMetal]

The ragnarok battle might be my biggest letdown in gaming. It was so boring.

[@rohansensei5708]

2018 had way better story while Ragnarok had the better combat Baldur was way more entertaining than Odin Also what happened to “Killing gods has consquences” thing? In GoW 3 major god deaths ruined the world while Thor’s and Odin’s death has no impact on anything

[@blacktaylore4]

Hot take : Kratos should stop holding back in the next game, whether for reasons like the gods hurting his son or because they're too strong, or both.

[@Aaron-ze1io]

It definitely should have been 3 games, comparing the older games with the depth of characters isn't a fair comparison, the best and main point of 2018s game was it's story and if that's the direction they were going for this time around they should have allowed the games the time to do that. The game suffered from pacing issues and to many characters, I didn't feel anything at all this time around when characters dies except from brok. Ragnarok was disappointing compared to the previous game.

[@NoahReisinger]

Hot take. God of war 3 made one thing that makes me crazy. I love the game but it freaks me out that you dont fill your magic/life bar fully after oping a chest. Every other hame dod that. But if ypu have nearly no lifes. And open a chest you are at best half full.

[@Sid271]

All these hot takes are right. God of war 2018 is still better. Ragnarok was a disappointment

[@YourDadFlaxx]

hot take:The Rage of Sparta (main theme of gow3 or title music) is better than vengeful spartan yes vengeful spartan has some epic bars BUT the thing that wins me over is that venegful spartan does not have a lot of lyrics it repeats 2 words (εκδικηση λυτροση or revenge redemption) but in rage of sparta it gets deeper with the lyrics like it says Kratos rage i will kill them x2 and the end where it goes THANATOS THANTOS or death 8 times just hits diffrent

[@Naija_Ninja]

My headcanon about Kratos' current strength and him "holding back" is that the only time we ever see him in full power is when he's raging. I believe that insane strength and speed + basically invincibility to anything any Norse God/monster can throw at him is his true power showing, but he holds himself back from it being his baseline because that level of power makes him go berserk by default. Like (story wise) the rage meter isn't about Kratos building up rage, but just how long it takes for him to decide again to let go for a bit without it taking over his mind

[@kylzepolaczkowaty2197]

Hot take: devs noticed how busted the runic build was in previous game, so they gave us less and made them less bombastic Still great, just not as overboard

[@fraxtion43217]

Hot take: The iron wood section was so boring even Gyrila was one of the worst bosses in in the whole of GOW ragnorock

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

HARD DISAGREED on just two games being good because "short attention span". Ragnarok was rushed, and it shows, it painfully shows. Atreus is still insufferable, and they used way too few Aesir gods. Where's Vidar ? Where's Vali ? Why is Forseti just a namedrop ???

[@BananaLuigi]

Hot take: Kratos should have gotten blue tattoos. Why change the war logo to blue, and not find a way for kartos to have blue tats? He could of recolored them during the preparation for Ragnarők?

[@creeperYT9824]

Never

[@Dlord1PlayStation]

Funny enough, Kratos' concept art in GOW 1 started out with blue tattoos.

[@NotMe-vx4vl]

hot take: the fate breaker armor should have been the spartan skirt and armor ( not the GOW 2 one, the black and gold one). We just got the Fimbulwinter outfit but red, and the first one arguably looks better if you upgrade it. It seemed underwhelming . Just imagine, Kratos becomes a general once again and charges into battle wearing the armor and skirt that he wore when he last lead an army compared to fighting wearing the same outfit he's worn for at least a year. missed opportunity

[@bigb0ss583]

My hottake is similar to god of war being 3 games, except instead of the second game ending with kratos killing thor… we end the game with gjallarhorn being blown and ragnarok starting as a cliffhanger. HEIMDALL becomes the final boss, though of course with the fight being more epic in scale and perhaps even pushing kratos further than he was pushed in that fight. And then, we have the ending of the game further reflect on what kratos just did n shit like that. And then this hypothetical god of war 3, picks off right after gjallarhorn is blown. The war starts, thor is the intro fight again, but once again it’s a stalemate, and eventually the armies of the nine realm are pushed back. Odin completely hides Asgard like the giants did with jötunnheim, and kratos has to find a way to access Asgard similar to having to find access to jötunnheim like in 2018. The war is still being waged despite Asgard being hidden, with the nine realms being completely war-torn and skirmishes between the einherjar and the nine realms happening frequently. Most of the side quests would then be kratos helping repair the nine realms and aiding the people effected by the war, which would help further build up the impact of kratos being venerated as a hero by everyone in the end. And in this game, instead of berserkers or Valkyries, we fight aesir gods that didn’t get make an in game appearance, like baldur’s son forseti, as the main optional boss fights of the game. The final fights with thor and Odin will be more grandscale and epic than they were in this game, and maybe we even fight surtr in his ragnarok form as well to as the final boss instead of just surtr. OR, even better imo, we get a surprise final boss/secret final boss/true final boss (or maybe it’s hinted throughout the game) in the form of VIDAR, Norse god of vengeance. With vidar being this final, secret weapon of odin’s, the equivalent of a nuclear option when not even sending thor works, with the fight pushing kratos, Atreus, and freya to their absolute limits physically and Atreus. And to tie into the actual mythology, Fenrir would join the fight and vidar would mortally wound him, which would push even Atreus further to his breaking point. But this is all just a crazy idea i thought of.

[@frisby7143]

It’s a cool idea i like it. Not sure about fighting all the norse gods though, it would kinda destroy the whole point of kratos redemption.

[@bigb0ss583]

@@frisby7143 well he doesn’t have to kill them. maybe. Idk tbh, didn’t really think that far on how he would end those fights.

[@boopagm8275]

I think the Odin fight also works on a another level of story because Kratos has the family he's made and they stand with him because of the trust he's put in them and they in him. while Odin stands alone because of how he only thinks of himself and how he never trust anyone other than himself. He didn't need to kill Thor, Thor was done, he dropped his hammer and refused to fight any further. He wasn't going to even fight his father, he merely wanted to stop fighting entirely. But because Odin didn't trust even his son, he killed him because he worried Thor would fight back.

[@Duoz_2.0_F.H_Vlogz]

Zesty in every hot take video : ' I sEE WHerE hE iS cOmINg FrOm'

[@crashingblow3753]

Hot take: I prefer the classic controls over the default controls for 2018 and Ragnarok. It just feels natural. After playing through the classic Greek trilogy, I went straight to GOW4 and when I got to the first enemy I yelled to myself "What the hell is this!?" The bumper and trigger buttons are the attack buttons? Square is the assist button to make BOY shoot? Triangle calls the axe? I get it that it was a third person perspective type of game similar to Uncharted and they had to compensate for the aim mode controls (L2). I would have understood if the R1 and R2 were just for throwing the axe. But swinging it? I don't know. I just didn't vibe well with those controls. I felt extreme relief when I saw that I could switch to the classic controls, and as soon as I did, it felt like everything went back to normal! There we go! Square for light and triangle for heavy. R2 has boy shoot, nice. R1 calls the axe, works well with me. I know it's all a matter of preference and stuff, but please, someone explain to me why did they feel like they needed to change the controls? I played through the entirety of GOW 2018 and Ragnarok with no issue. Even when it came to aiming and throwing the axe, it felt simple. I never felt like I needed to press R2 or R1 to throw and axe. What is this? Uncharted? Call of duty? What? So I must ask again. Why the change?

[@connoringram4948]

I mean you cant turn the camera move and swing your axe all at the same time with square. Your two thumbs move ya body and camera your pointer finger flickers between attack buttons cus thats the natural way to hold a controller. I actually enjoy the challenging combat and being forced to choose between pricise targeting or attacking unless i wanna hold my controller claw style is seriously bad design if that answers your question.

[@DDFF-qn8ic]

THEY WANT TO BE QUIRKY CUZ they don't want player to feel the same old way of GOW they even choose the over the shoulder combat to make it somewhat different

[@FTSKARAOLD]

Hot take: I don't like Odin's design and they should have went with the one they presented before the game (the one with the horns)

[@shockwave1612]

Yeah but he kinda look like mimir with the horns

[@trollmercy5498]

Hot take:I got a bit disappointed because yeah they didn't add much barehanded combat but I miss the barehanded finishers they were all so good I enjoyed every single one of them every time I did them

[@hydrocannons7573]

I think Kratos seems weaker in the newer games because he accomplished his old feats by completely giving in to rage and losing control, which is obviously something he regrets now. Kratos could still do all those things and more if pissed off enough. If Atreus died during Ragnarok Kratos would have returned to his old ways and Odin would live just long enough to fear him.

[@ShyGuy-op8vd]

Hot take: The music that plays during the Hades Cerberus boss fight in GOW 3 is one of the best and most underrated songs in the entire franchise. To me, there is no song that captures the chaos, madness, and destruction of GOW 3 better than this one.

[@qasimmohammed2469]

Hot take: now let me say this Greek mythology is so much more powerful than Norse mythology because they have so many different creatures…so many legends that we used to it in GOW since the start,unlike the new GOW games it’s Norse mythology they have nothing just warriors,undead,Valkyries,Odin and Thor, and they have only one story witch is Ragnarok so it’s not as exiting as old games…Now I think that kratos had to be weakened to even enter the Norse realms here is the cleaver thing is GOW 2018 is not called GOW 4! And GOW Ragnarok is not GOW5, so they could actually come back to it and tell us the story what happened after GOW 3 and how kratos end up in other realm.

[@justrad7637]

most things in ragnarok happened to fast , atreuses more odin-like personality transforming into the lad we know at the end of ragnarok was to quick , the war was to quick , while adventures with tyr were way to long , we could probably skip a lot of it cause it doesnt change that odin as tyr IS SIMPLY DAMN ANNOYING. his "i will lead u to war out of the sudden " was way to sudden anyway ! , so why even bother with all the tyr adventure if it was gonna be bullshit from the start? they should have definitly put less time into that adventure and more into the war and atreuses character building i am not saying its gonna change a ton , but i feel like it would be near perfect for the limited time they had

[@YTPrule]

I’ve heard people say 11 year old Boy is more useful an ally in gameplay than 14 year old Atreus.

[@ExtremeGameplays1]

Cuz he is. Arrow shooting in general was better in 4

[@EmperorPocky396]

I feel like a boss fight between young and old kratos would have been really cool. Had the perfect set up when we met the fates and they started showing things from mimir and Faye’s past. Or when in 2018 when mimir said NEVER Go to this part of hel hyping it up then we never go lol.

[@PerfectTroy1]

Totally agree with the comment about the bare handed comment. There is no way that any of the bare handed moves should have been removed.

[@luckyplvys]

I agree with you wrath always saves me on big bosses & I use it when they break my block so I never get hit by that follow up attack.

[@zaid77707]

Hot take:helios shield in gow chains of Olympus is the best shield in the series

[@t.o.w.a8434]

Hot take: the blades of chaos’s runic attacks are the better then the axe and spear

[@AtlasSSJ]

Hot take: God of War Ragnarok made Kratos look weak.

[@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099]

22:13 I agree about that for many walk and talk sections

[@michaelstewart7673]

Hot take. I still believe the final battle was still in some way disappointing. For one good reason and that is there needed to be bigger stakes and higher risks. Never once in the final battle did I think or feel like our side was losing or was taking major losses. I mean there were characters that mentioned throughout the first part that they were losing numbers fast but that’s to be expected from both opposing sides, this IS war after all. The moment our guys make it to the other side of the wall felt like the devs were just trying to wrap things up. We fight Thor which was a very underwhelming fight compared to our first encounter with him. And then we get to Odens fight, fight him for 2 rounds and then boom done. There weren’t really any kinetic moments throughout those fights where it felt like any of the good guys were in danger. It also never even bothered to try to test like Kratos or Atreus’ morals, having them question themselves and what they are fighting for. I understand there character arcs needed to reach there peak to where both characters needed to better understand each other. But like I said before, this is war. War can change people, and the devs didn’t even bother to dive in just a little deeper with that situation, they had the perfect setup in my opinion to REALLY him home with the characters mentalities and stances on the war and what they were willing to sacrifice in order to ensure that victory is achieved, but never did unfortunately.

[@michaelplaczek9385]

Finding the real Tyr should've been a suprise part of a main mission right before the Ragnarok battle, or right after it

[@lordmoncef5494]

Final battle should have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more cinematic Like come on ghe first battle created rifts thro the realms 3 phases for thor and odin And the invasion was longer then the actual battle with the boss i mean baldur we fought him on a f ing dragon

[@tallboi98]

Hot Take: going to alfheim in ragnarok was pointless, you go there to look at a shrine and then you leave

[@chacharoni9638]

i'm pretty disappointed about the bare handed combat. I thought that they would add more to it instead of taking away moves. I'm also disappointed that we can't do any bare handed finishers. Like it feels off when I don't have any of the weapons equipped and want to do a finisher but then it automatically equips the axe when I press R3

[@captainmpoutias755]

It was disappointing, 2018 story was better in almost every way. Also i dont see the hype and the enthusiasm people had for the 2018 game. Gow 2018 stayed so relevant and its been talked about after 4 years. I think that ragnarok in one years time will be kinda forgotten and everyone will see it was nothing special, now everyone's been blinded with recency bias

[@Sid271]

This.

[@mranderson4469]

Hot take: 4:20 Im really disappointed that they removed hyperion slam it deals alot of damage against hel travelers, and also glaive storm it also helps against far long range enemies.

[@Whoslet]

7:17 Why's let hahahahaha, thanks for including me

[@manasgaur9168]

Hot take: The NPC's are so annoying in Ragnarok because they speak too much. The developer made Kratos look very weak and if he was holding back then why it wasn't explained.

[@bingofett]

Hot Take: ragnarok didn’t add the secret 10th realm called ohioheim where the realm takes place in a cornfield and further through an average ohioan neighborhood, parks, monuments even a small town called columbus and its cool seeing kratos and freya or atreus fighting the average ohioan citizens and even cooler is a quest to killing all the rulers of ohio like killing the valkyries and diff is like the valks and seeing kratos killing the wonder of ohio, the controller of ohio, the gatekeeper of ohio, and finally the ohio final boss and after killing all of them kratos earns a super broken armor set like getting a ton of upgrade stats for all the stats and yeah santa monica should add it in the next update well… lets cross our fingers

[@astralchaos3441]

Hot take: The Claws of Hades are the best weapons on God of War 3. They are definitely the most unique ones. Not only are ALL of the attacks the same that Hades does in his boss fight, their design is just majestic. The purple light in darker rooms is just great to look at. Every soul you summon is different in some way. They have great crowd control, great combos. The Grapple attack is useful in distracting enemies and getting high combo meters. You get them from one of the best bosses from the game in the most badass way possible. I use the other weapons just as much, but none can offer me the magic of the Claws of Hades

[@jackedape3045]

I also love how the roll with them is u throwing the claws than kratos pulling himself

[@t__uncensor1337]

Hyperion slam is still in the game. It's in a combo move for the blades at the end of the skill tree

[@Poloposi]

Hot take: Kratos’s story is over. Like what else could they do with him? He is now the god of peace and the new All-father of the 8 realms. So Atreus will now take the story in his own hands. I know god of war is nothing without Kratos, but there is nothing to do with his story now.

[@kevinmontiel7796]

he still needs to find a way to remove the ties and curses from greece such as the ash on him and the blades. then he will be truly free of his troubled past. i feel there are some important developments he can still make.

[@D1smantle]

Yeah actually his story seems like it has ended. But then there is still one pieoce of his old life still lurking around, Athena. They've gotta do something about her

[@pasindupereraSL]

Perhaps they could have different pantheons invade the Norse world. Like Egyptian gods invading would be cool since Asgard falling leaves a power vacuum

[@Poloposi]

@@pasindupereraSL that is actually a really good idea

[@DasVicks63]

Hopefully they end this series with this game.

[@Dirty_Nero_Main]

The absence of the Shield Skill Tree hurts the overall quality of combat in the final product.

[@NoNo-fv9pz]

a hot take I have is that there weren't enough aesir gods, like there were only 3 that actually fought, while the old games had the whole Greek pantheon. I expected ragnarok to have more Gods than just thor and odin.

[@jinxedyuri5756]

Hot take : the lack of Greece in this game was really disappointing. sure the overall story was awesome but come to think of it, Captain Cuba had some really awesome ideas for a greek cameo. like a Greece civilian that ran away and ended up in north or a god like Aphrodite showing up really poor and pathetic, just for a cameo it would've been cool. sure we had alot of "dialogue" references but they were really brief and insignificant. also, remember those nightmare section with the norns. i was desperately HOPING for a greek nightmare. imagine fighting a bunch of young kratos enemies just like Gow1. OH MY GAWD. you can argue than Kratos is no longer haunted by his past and i would agree, but that whole section was just underwhelming for me.

[@bluely8832]

Hot take: not sure if it is a hot take but, if surtr was more aggressive, bigger, he could’ve made a boss fight better than nidhogg or thor first fight

[@holty1314]

Hot take: the “secret” ending wasn’t as fulfilling. All that happens is funeral, no character progression not even making emends with Sindri. I personal would of had the camera zoom in to a far away land where Arlo (Egyptian God of War) claims war on Kratos for being responsible for whipping out two pantheons and fears that the Egyptian is next, Arlo takes the fight to Kratos. That would’ve been the climatic set up fans would want. Such as the ending to 2018 where Thor shows up to take the fight to Kratos. Paying homage in a way.

[@frisby7143]

That would of been cool for sure but he didn’t actually destroy the Norse pantheon. He overthrew the dictator of that realm and destroyed his home

[@ghersenn1843]

Hot take: Eric Williams ruined God of War Ragnarok

[@Zweihander6563]

4:36 man i really love the draupnir of war

[@ExtremeGameplays1]

It's a good game. Yes.

[@Supervalu89]

Hot Take: Why isn’t there a boss harder than Sigrun in this game? Many of them seem significantly easier than the Valkyries of last game. Shouldn’t there be an escalation of the challenges from the last game for those who want to go for the 100% rather than a reduction?

[@ye7625]

Game director Eric has stated that Kratos is not stronger than he's previous self since Kratos needed the "rust to be knocked off him" during the previous game which forced him to return to his previous state (you know the warrior Kratos that slaughtered a pantheon which he absolutely abhores to go back to) and the subsequent 3 year training with his son to again quote "return to form". What a based take I absolutely agree that Zeus was stronger than Odin while Odin(With the help of his brothers) killed Ymir Which is the version of a primordial in the norse The greek had an entire race of Ymir duking it out and just from remnants of their battle made the universe said race was defeated by the titans and they were beaten by Zeus and the other gods. Zeus by himself one shot the titans using the blade of olympus. Its not even a contest.

[@gonzalopaezmartinez2650]

Error, the primordials are the strongest beings, primordials and titans are not the same, Zeus did not kill any of the Titans, he only sent them to Tartarus, and he lost all his fights with Kratos hand to hand, even more so if it were not for Athena he would die at the end of gow 2, odin in the game killed only ymir, he also had several battles against giants and gods, and his magic is so strong that he managed to bring kratos to his knees

[@ye7625]

@@gonzalopaezmartinez2650 it was stated in GOW chains of Olympus that Hyperion's whole job was banishing Nyx from the sky everyday. A job that wouldn't be able to do if he wasn't stronger than her.

[@stefanosgg]

I just wish that they started the game, with Ragnarok unfolding. Kratos and Atreus are fighting each other throughout the battle and end up losing. A defeated Kratos with a dead son, goes into the light of alfheim before just as he is about to die, goes back in time, fixes his relationship with his son, and other characters and wins Ragnarok. Wow

[@malabird]

Atreus should have been critically hurt by Thor or Odin in finale causing Kratos to no longer hold back. I would have loved to watch him mop the floor with Thor and Odin, like when Heimdall started threatening Atreus.

[@drjcup3228]

Love the characters, the emotional depth and impact of the game, and the gameplay is enjoyable and satisfying (though I sorely miss bare-handed attacks and the weight of certain attacks). Hot take: some resolutions don't feel earned and the battle of Ragnarok was disappointing and short. The game literally has “Ragnarok” in the title but the final battle to end all battles was very un-epic for me. The “Realms at War” just felt like Kratos doing everything by himself, since uniting the different realms together was done offscreen by peripheral characters. I honestly thought the assault on Asgard was going to span across multiple missions and locations in that realm - not just an extended skirmish against Einherjar after Eiherjar.

[@Radel_KN01]

Hot take: gow Ragnarok should have hade more gods like in gow 3 and kratos kills all of them like in gow three just want too se kratos power again Also love your content

[@Duoz_2.0_F.H_Vlogz]

Hot take : scourge of erynis is better than divine shitting it inputs more damage and you can also use it for groups and I personally used it to get 10000 hits combo in cobat arena its just better

[@Owen-sx4jj]

There was definitely no crowd control moves with the blades. And even the ones in 2018 they also removed.e.g the helicopter move, evading attack and sprinting attack Wtf. The point of the blades is that you can hit enemies from various angles and range... Use it Devs!. Sigh

[@loam9329]

Hot take: GoW 2018 had better combat flow than GoWR. Sure GoWR has mores option and the spear, but the last one just felt better to combo on (especially on GMGoW)

[@8butsideways295]

That odin screem did level me wanting 😂 it did feel childish

[@PaulM68322]

The game has lazy writing 1. You just so happen to stumble across Odins noose, which just so happens to be a key element in his defeat 2. Fenrir amounts to nothing more than just the easy answer as to how they escape Asgard from Ragnarok 3. Surtr is nothing more than a plot device. He doesn't want to join, sees your blades, changes his mind... in about 2 minutes 4. Freyr leaves for 20 minutes (unless you do side quests) and suddenly the elves have stopped their endless war and joined together off screen to fight at Ragnarok 5. Jormungandr is berthed, does nothing.... shows up at Ragnarok.... gets sent back in time.. no explanation. 6. The mask is nothing but a lousy plot device that will most likely never be elaborated on to keep Atreus in Asgard for a bit and give Odin some loose motivation. 7. There is no explanation as to how and when 'fate' changed 8. Faye appears in Kratos dream telling him there's "no time"..... no time for what? 9. Kratos has a dream (flashback) where Faye tells him to spread her ashes at the highest peak....Him.... not to train Atrues to do it...... the whole narrative in the first game was how Kratos thought Atreus wasn't ready to do it... but apparently Atreus didn't need to go and could have been left with Freya or Brok or Sindri while Kratos did it

[@frisby7143]

No I think you just misunderstood some of it 1) Wasn’t really a key element to his defeat, all it did was bind him so that Freya could talk to him without him attacking. in fact when in his second phase he starts using it as a weapon so if anything it did nothing but make him stronger. 2) Maybe? It also demonstrates Atreus giant soul abilities and his connection to animals. Also fenrir was one of many ways to escape Asgard. The realm towers and the valkyries being the others. 3) Surtr doesn’t want to join because he doesn’t want sinmara to be involved. He agrees that ragnarok needs to happen and for Odin to die. He changes his mind when he sees the blades of chaos because they are an alternative method in creating ragnarok. 4) It’s established in the story and in side quests that Freya has a long history with the elves to a point where they worship him. Besides it’s a temporary truce and no permanent peace is really established. 5) Jormungander i can kinda agree, though his freakish size and motivations in ragnarok is due to having a giants soul in him. Him going back in time though? No idea lol 6) Kinda agree on this one as well, it does serve as the entire motivation for Odin but does serve well at the end to show Atreus changing his nature and odin refusing to change. 7) Fate changed when kratos decided to change his nature. The scene in ragnarok when he decides to save to midgardians is when fate changed because he no longer behaved like the ruthless Greek Spartan general from before. This is also shown when he refuses to kill Thor. 8) Not sure tbh 😅 9) Uh I think you read into that scene too much. At no point did Faye say that Atreus shouldn’t go, she already knew Atreus would go anyway because of the giants prophecy.

[@PaulM68322]

@@frisby7143 you're right about the noose I misremembered but went back to watch it, however my point stands about the game having lazy writing. The noose, you just stumble across it by happenstance, there's no way around the fact that that's lazy writing Fenrir does still amount to absolutely nothing, he is reborn in Garms body and has no impact on the story until he saves them from Surtr (ragnarok) sword I'm aware of why Surtr doesn't want to go but again it's excruciatingly lazy that he takes one look at your blades and decides that yes.. these blades do in fact have the exact magic I need to do the thing I'm prophesied to do without me having to do the thing I was fated to do... how convenient..... and its even more bad writing because the writers made up this whole fusion sub plot just to make this 5 minute melodrama with possible It's established that Feryr got on well with the elves... doesn't change the fact its extremely lazy they just team up off screen after all the violence and bloodshed Fate can't be changed at that moment because fate already changed with Surtr, so fate either changed by Surtrs new transformation route or it happened before then And the last is subjective but if you're writing a narrative you need to be narratively consistent, there was great emphasis on the fact that Kratos was cold to Atreus and thought he wasn't ready to bring the ashes, it's even explicitly said by Kratos..but then the flashback shows that Faye only told him to do it. So you can say yes Kratos would always bring him, but if he thought he wasn't ready and Faye never explicitly said Atreus had to do it, why is Kratos so distraught by the idea that Atreus wasn't able to do it?

[@m-dizzle4827]

When it comes to the spear i am actually kinda dissappointed because many lf the attacks sre actually identical to the spears and lances from god of war ascension and the online multiplayer... Also in the ascension story game, kratos can wield side weapons such as a clob/spear/sword and the runic you meantion that is your favorite from the draupnir spear is actually an attack from the side spear you can wield in god of war ascension go look it up on youtube