LET'S ARGUE: Norse Gods Are Better Than Greek Gods

[@MidChronicler]

You know I’m right, Zesty. The fact of the matter is, with that beautiful hair (and beard!), Deimos looks like a God, and Kratos looks a shriveled sad scrotum next to him.

[@ExtremeGameplays1]

And there it is.

[@meldrickedwards1892]

Damn. Why'd you do Kratos like that? 😂

[@DirtyDev]

😂 he does look like a scrotum 💀

[@LusciousTwinkle]

Kratos could never look like that. Granted he doesnt look his best in that game ... They took his eyebrows for some reason.... But GOW3? JesusMaryMotherofGod. Hes the most perfect male ever rendered. I get pregnant every time i play that game.

[@lightmohamed5700]

@@LusciousTwinkle finally someone who prefers Greek Kratos’s look

[@ViPRedPilled]

The Greek gods are timeless, and can only be conquered by exceptional circumstances, such as those of Kratos

[@lightmohamed5700]

Maybe demios if he became a Complete God like Kratos

[@VinnyUnion]

Norse can be solo'd any day on a Saturday vacation.

[@_------------_]

@@VinnyUnion norse stomps anyday

[@shadowreezy3137]

⁠@@_------------_ROOF NORSE FAN!?

[@Comicbroe405]

@@VinnyUnion Insane take. They maybe not be as powerful but no need to put them down like that.

[@dannyatanacio6774]

Hot take: God of War Ragnorock didn’t have enough gods. By the start of the game the Aesir are just Thor, Odin, and Heimdall. Woulda been better if they threw in a few extra from the mythos.

[@hurricane7727]

And Also Odin Asgardians are Weaker than Bor Era of Asgardians too( Kratos would of had to Use His Full Power Against Bor Possibly Considering Bor is Massively More Powerful than Odin or Thor)

[@AntiDegenerate1971]

On top of that Odin and Heimdall are the only ones who felt like villains. They hyped Thor up and then severely neutered him which was the biggest disappointment in this game.

[@christianhenry4173]

​@@AntiDegenerate1971Thors battles in Ragnarok ere way more interesting like Buldur. Nobody cares about the fight of Odin, and Heimdall was made fun by kratos before the fight even started. Kratos told mmir "I fought gods a lot more stronger than him".

[@Azeral7]

Didn't have enough weapons either; should have been able to use Mjolnir, Odin's staff, etc.

[@Sunaki1000]

Well Forsetti and Gnar existed. But Forsetti looks like a non combatant and I doubt anyone remembers he existed, and Gnar randomly left the Battlefield to follow Fenrir. I say Odin did have good Forces, but for the final War Ragnarok itselfe he lost way to many to feel like a actual treath.

[@eliasm9100]

Kratos had basically the strongest weapon in the series + all the godly stuff (as blades of chaos, Spear of destiny, Poseidon’s rage all his broken magic spells that he lost because of the the destruction of Greek pantheon) + the buff of power of hope that he lost in order to save the remaining survivors. He had all of this and yet he struggled to face a weakened Zeus ( Zeus was weakened by the concept of Fear while kratos was enhanced by hope) he had to defeat him several times and still almost got his ass handed to him if not for the power of hope that saved him.. Yea Norse gods are okay, but Greeks ones are simply on another level.

[@madslayer4197]

Where was kratos struggling? They were fairly even throughout. Plus I don't se how fear needed zeus. Plus once kratos got hope it was a rap for zues. Kratos literally stated that heimdall was formidable and thors strikes were like any he had ever felt

[@lightmohamed5700]

@@madslayer4197 not really Zeus was weakened by the blade of Olympus since it stabbed him in GoW2 he still violated Kratos and Gaia with one strike from his master bolt

[@madslayer4197]

@@DrSalvadorsSack a heavy hit is a powerful hit. And zues is consider a greater god than heimdall. Kratos killed greater bit that doesn't mean heimdall was weak

[@aushynebell2238]

Yall do realize fear didn’t make him weaker it just made him paranoid he actually was stronger with the power of fear

[@mikekelly592]

If Kratos had his old magical powers in the Norse realm he claps the whole pantheon solo

[@BigJohnny214]

Hot take: People really underestimate the norse mythology. I am not saying that the Aesir are stronger than Greeks, but they are just underestimated. Especially aesir especial powers, like baldur not being able to die, Heimdall's predicting people and Odin's creep magic

[@shadowreezy3137]

Compared to elements, powerful magic, things they don’t have, yea I say Greek got this

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

odins magic isnt even his, its freya and she had more knowledge and is one if not his most powerful foe considering she with her people. held the aesir

[@shadowreezy3137]

@@tc-channelhobby4051 Yea but at a stalemate like she said

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

@@shadowreezy3137 oh yes and the greek magic is much more to the point even freya acknowledges it, even mimir says that the greek got it all and even wants kratos to recall them because they are that good. Lets not even forget the weapons they make, even blades of chaos is considered superior despite being misused by kratos after being seen by the huldra brothers and that freya said he is going to need a much more stronger weapon to brave helheims weather and the axe is mjolnirs equal.

[@aushynebell2238]

@@tc-channelhobby4051no mimir was just surprised by the abilities of the Greek mythology just how kratos was surprised how Thor was able to hit the world serpent through time you downplaying again

[@nicolasocampomejia7598]

Hot take: God of war Ghost of Sparta has the best history in all franchise. I mean the way they show us how Kratos is not just a war machine who kills everyone and that he still has some humanity and feelings.

[@Jack.Martson]

Idk if this is even a hot take, God of War 1 showed that Kratos isn’t just some angry man lust for revenge, he was actually pretty chill for the most part, even after Ares tricked him into killing his wife and daughter, Kratos did not want revenge at all, he went to the gods and asked them to remove his nightmares he was having over and over again, he only killed Ares bc the gods told him to do so if he wanted his nightmares to be gone but they lied. God of war 2 started with Kratos being angry for revenge but even so he had some moments of him showing his humanity.

[@vlad_47]

GoS is how you do more plot-heavy storyline but still have the typical GoW feeling. Somehow the norse games forgot how to do that.

[@nicolasocampomejia7598]

​@@Jack.Martson Good point on there

[@A7mad_Speaks]

Hot take: draupnir spear is just an arms of sparta cheap knock off

[@fatos342]

That's a fact Sir

[@محمد_مجدي-صل-علنبي]

diss like because why not

[@rayan.mjd08]

صدقت

[@Abdallah-uh8ki]

انشهد

[@vlad_47]

And also just plainly underwhelming when compared to the prospects of wielding legendary norse weapons like Mjölnir, Gungnir, Surtr Blade etc.. or returning greek weapons for that matter.

[@moisesmartinezmorales5885]

Something people ignore is the lore for both pantheons and that both the Greek and Nordic gods are not being portrayed at their strongest in both cutscenes and gameplay and this it what leads to people thinking that Greek gods are stronger because in their cutscenes they were showed doing a little more than the Nordic ones (but again they both aren't being portrayed at their strongest)

[@madslayer4197]

Exactly! Everyone thinks the Greeks are stronger because "young kratos is better" and because the Greek boss fights are more cinematic

[@renegilramos3661]

Wrong. Greek gods were actually portrayed way less in the cutscenes. If we based their power on what’s actually written about them in gow lore, Hermes alone would blitz the whole Norse pantheon to their death with them knowing what happened.

[@madslayer4197]

@@renegilramos3661 Hermes was easily caught by Kratos while he needed a specially made weapon to even touch Heimdall

[@renegilramos3661]

@@madslayer4197 that’s exactly my point. Greek gods portrayal of their power way less in cinematics and gameplay compared to what’s actually their capabilities written in the GOW files. Because if they do Hermes could end not only Heimdal but the whole GOW Norse pantheon before they even know what happened. If you played every GOW you know this already, unless you’re one of those fan who just got into the series and started playing the GOW 2018 And FYI, Kratos was able to touch Heimdal with his bare fist. Tour argument is as bad as saying Kratos wouldn’t be able to reach Zeus without the Nemesis Whip.

[@madslayer4197]

@@renegilramos3661 No. That doesn't work. It was after Kratos used the spear on Heimdall that he was able to touch him. Your point is not proven as the need for the spear ws part of the lore while for Hermes, catching up to him was straight up within Kratos' abillity. The lore also supports the Norse Gods surpassing the Greeks in certain aspects. You've given us a failed argument. Try harder next time goofy!

[@Jack_Napier58]

HOT TAKE: Magni has the best design out of all Norse gods and demigods. He looks buff, but not fat like Thor which is important considering he is a brawler. His necklace and sword are both made out of the same material and the color flows really well with the rest of the design. Him having blonde hair and blue eyes is a nice design choice because Scandinavians are defined by their blonde hair and blue eyes because of their North Germanic descent. This makes Magni feel more connected to the people that worship him. His sword is also very unique and the way it channels lightning through out the fight is just 🤌 chef's kiss. If Zesty has 1000 subs, I'm one of them. If Zesty has 100 subs, I'm one of them. If Zesty has 1 sub, I'm the 1 sub. If Zesty has no subs, I'm dead.

[@Simplygamerboi445]

Thor is stronger than his sons because yeah he may look fat and a brawler and magni looks buff blah blah blah but thor is a god though of thunder and has mjolnir which is a powerful weapon he has and it destroyed a lot of deatruction to in norse too.

[@Jack_Napier58]

@@Simplygamerboi445 Your point? I know Thor is stronger, no one said he wasn't. I'm saying Magni's strenght and agility fit his body style more than Thor's do his.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Honestly I agree he’s great but I think Odin, Heimdall and Thor all beat him out for the best design

[@DirtyDev]

@@Jack_Napier58 true

[@Vayne_Solidor]

Thor is a STRONGMAN. NOT FAT.

[@godslayertactician1284]

Yeah, the greek gods are just on another level.Take even ares for example he can create pocket dimensions

[@peraz4905]

Do you think ares beats Norse gods like Thor and Odin

[@Mikehunt26870]

​@@peraz4905 yes 😂

[@peraz4905]

@@Mikehunt26870 Ares stupid ass does not 😭

[@godslayertactician1284]

@@peraz4905 yep

[@peraz4905]

@@godslayertactician1284 gotta be buggin

[@somedudewithakeyboard5388]

Imma just put it out there, Thor wasn't just "weakened" he had been poisoned by Jormungandr's venom for the entirety of the game, and the wound Kratos gives him at the start never heals, this is all cause of the time when Jorm swallowed the Leviathan axe in GoW 2018. Mans was poisoned, deeply wounded, and unfathomably drunk for the whole of Ragnarok, and he still makes Kratos put serious effort into trying to kill him. It's like if you injected Superman with Kryptonite and he still went on to nearly defeat Martian Manhunter

[@vlad_47]

what serious effort? Did Kratos actually enter into rage mode or something? If he doesnt heal, its on him. Baldr did heal from the Axe instantly. Just as Zeus did from the Blade of Olympus reaming in his entire midsection.

[@Týr4039]

Baldur was struck by the axe after his invincibility spell was broken which put a massive wound in his shoulder and it healed almost instantly.

[@somedudewithakeyboard5388]

@@vlad_47 Did... you not understand what my comment was about? The venom that Jorm imbued into the axe is what prevented Thor from healing, I seriously doubt that he'd be stupid enough to not heal that injury if it was possible, and even if he was that stupid, Odin damn sure isn't.

[@vlad_47]

@@somedudewithakeyboard5388 I understand it just fine. Baldr healed from it tho. Zeus also has faced beings with primordial poison from Tartarus like Kampe and Typhon.

[@gomgom9060]

@@vlad_47except for the fact TYPHON in GoW is simply a stupid wind Titan. It’s clear myth events rarely happen in greek GoW. Only accountable events were Heracles’ labours. Everything else it’s a loose cannon.

[@ami_boos5034]

Fun fact or tip: you can parry the boulders thrown by the three Titan minatours but you can only parry not block

[@HitmanHimself]

In a all out war between Greeks and Norse Gods, its not even gonna be a competition for the greeks.

[@azrael_pendragon]

I could see Hermes beating Heimdall. Heimdall wont be able to take his speed because noones faster than Heimdall so his foresight would be useless. That and Heimdall has never been trash talked before, hermes would bully him through methods of trash talking that even 2010 Cod players would look like babies.

[@madslayer4197]

That makes literally no sense on top of being way stronger heimdalls senses can't be overwhelmed by just speed

[@azrael_pendragon]

@@madslayer4197 it's not just about being overwhelmed. Hermes speed would simply allow him to hit Heimdall as Heimdall wouldn't be able to react to a guy with such speed.

[@madslayer4197]

@azrael_morningstar if he could dodge kratos he could dodge hermes. Even so he doesn't need to be as fast as hermes, je just needs to know where hermes is going which heimdall definitely would

[@vlad_47]

​@@madslayer4197Hermes can create actual, moving and sentinient clones of himself by his speed in the comics. Not some double spears or something lol. Hermes is the actual diety here. A chtonic one, that has high duties to maintain mortal existence both in the Realm of Dreams and Realm of Hades. An adult god, while Heimdall is just a trust fund brat with his fake foresight lol. The Greek Gods had actual pre-cognition, they could see the future of the world for real, as shown in the Novels.

[@madslayer4197]

@vlad_47 pretty sure his foresight wasn't fake. Didn't take long for kratos to catch hermes but he couldn't touch heimdal with out the spear. And it definitely wasn't just two. Again, making dishonest claims and calling it fact.

[@ramkhapandi]

14:52 i guss colossus of rhodes actually had better bgm plus fight and it was first time we were fighting with huge boss in game. And first impression is last impression and we had played that in our childhood so little bit nostalgia also hit that's why we love more colossus of rhodes fight then other giant boss fight. What you say?

[@ryanroswellcacho]

The Slashing animarions was the main reason why I play and love God of War Franchise.

[@seisoken8801]

Greek gods>>>>>>%>>>>>>>>>>>>> norse gods

[@lightmohamed5700]

I agree they are more powerful but not THAT much powerful

[@astralchaos3441]

@@lightmohamed5700 Thor is far more powerful than most Greek Gods. Hell, he caused the literal World Tree to splinter.

[@lightmohamed5700]

@@astralchaos3441 what the hell just happened??? I commented in a short and it just transported my comment here sorry for misconception Anyway yes it’s true Thor and Odin can beat a lot of the Greeks but hades and Poseidon are too dangerous for them since they both can crush not just the body but the spirits of their foes and you know that the souls are such fragile vulnerable and sacred relic in the Norse lands which would pose a problem

[@astralchaos3441]

@@lightmohamed5700 Look there's no doubt that Greek Gods are OP, however Gods like Thor definitely have the chance against them. Kratos stated that Thor was his most difficult fight and we know that Older Kratos>Younger Kratos since greek gods grow stronger over time, as said by Cory. And splintering the World Tree is no easy thing. The World Tree is a construct that none other can surpass, it contains an Infinite amount of Timelines and it also Transcends Time and Space. And I know that The Fates are above the Norns, the Norns can only predict the future.

[@lightmohamed5700]

@@astralchaos3441 he didn’t say that Thor is the most difficult fight he said that Thor is the strongest opponent he ever fought *physically* and yes Greek Gods grow stronger with age and even if they don’t Cory said old Kratos would beat young Kratos in a fight because he can control his wrath while young Kratos cannot which is a weakness he can expose but old Kratos is holding back A LOT so yeah that does not really help their case And yes Thor and Odin are very powerful and one of the most powerful Gods but I still think Zeus is the most powerful God Kratos ever faced

[@Sunset_Thanatos]

HOT TAKE: I do not like Thor being a drunk guy with daddy issues in raggy. I'm tired of villains being made more human and things like that. Bring back villains that are evil just for the sake of it

[@DirtyDev]

Exactly he’s a literal god. Why feel the need to humanize him

[@hurricane7727]

​@@DirtyDevIronically Marvel Comics Thor was Similar before Odin made him mortal with a Mortal Form which humanized him.

[@angryvaultguy]

Ummm is Odin and Heimdall not villain enough for you?

[@Koniecekowaty]

Hot take: Claws of Hades and Nemesis whip are more creative then Leviathan axe. Also love your content

[@rikybj0276]

norse gods are like humans with powers while greek gods really feel like gods

[@vlad_47]

What would happen? Scenario 1: Zeus sends some of his kids like Ares, Athena, Artemis to go deal with it. Total massacre. Scenario 2: Hades or Poseidon team up and eradicate the Aesir tribe. Scenario 3: Zeus.

[@madslayer4197]

What massacre? Ares and athena are getting sent back in prices. Zeus is getting jumped if he goes in alone. The only way is an all lout war even then it's not a guarantee

[@vlad_47]

@@madslayer4197 They even have a weapon that can do such a thing to Ares? Ares has feats and godhood in the Novel and Game that clearly show that he alone can kill all the norse tribal gods. And Zeus already did such a feat when he was much younger and weaker by one-shoting all the Titans which actually ruled over concepts, domains and the universe. With their mere voice the Greek Gods tremble infinite realms like Ares or the whole creation like Zeus and Poseidon. Norse gods are just pretenders, mortal tribes. Get that through your head.

[@madslayer4197]

@vlad_47 thor killed Kratos kratos even called heimdall formidable.odin bested kratos then binded him with magic. All the olympians struggled against the titans until zeus used the blade of olympus. Kratos said those blows were like any he had ever felt. Thor shook the realms in his fight with jourmangandr. You're making dishonest claims and calling them arguments. You're the clown here big dawg

[@madslayer4197]

@vlad_47 You're a fanboy! Get THAT through your head, dummy!

[@vlad_47]

@@madslayer4197 Yeah sure, make your headcanon lol. When someone gets killed with a hammer on the side of his head, his skull cracks and there is blood everyone. Kratos would also go to the Afterlife like when he really died in Greece. Kratos healtbar also collapsed against the Kraken and Fear Zeus, doesnt mean anything, just a visual effect. Thor's feat is nothing. As he AND Jörmungandr shook the realms through their life and death fight. While Zeus and Poseidon tremble infinite realms with their mere voice. Hades already had Cronos beat without the Blade of Olympus lol Zeus can disintegrate Hades with a mere lightning bolt in the Novels lol The sheer fact that Zeus was even able to create such a weapon shows whats up. He created it by channeling all of existence with his lightning and blood lol. Didnt need any dwarves, like Ivaldi who created that weak Gungnir or Brok/Sindri who created that weak Mjölnir, sub-par weapons even weaker than the Blades of Chaos. Every Norse feat and lore is insignificant to the Greek feats and lore.

[@ShyGuy-op8vd]

"Ugh... it's Monday again..." *ExtremeGameplays uploads another FIRE Let's Argue video* "Actually? Maybe Monday isn't so bad after all..."

[@blimpo7632]

Hot take: The soundtrack: Battle of Attica from god of war chains of Olympus is the best soundtrack in the series especially at the end of it, and i just would like to say that I’m a big fan of your content from Egypt and i hope your channel keeps growing.

[@GurjitSingh-fd5wy]

Hot take: Poseidon and his hippocampi beat Thor Baldur and odin since Poseidon is immortal and his hippocampus' Pack a shit ton of damage

[@vlad_47]

Norse Gods are known to struggle against devine monsters like that. The Hippocampi shredded the Titans, and Poseidon is a diety beyond Odin and Thor easily.

[@tomchuur6431]

@@vlad_47 surely you smoke meth? Saying stuff like that 😆

[@vlad_47]

@@tomchuur6431 projection much? Thats exactly what I think when I see you plastic norse stans

[@ItsAlekos777]

TAKE THAT BACK NOW !!!

[@lightmohamed5700]

Finally my favourite series is back 😊 Also yes I do believe that the Greek lords are more powerful it is even stated in the description of the PS3 physical edition of God of War 3 and the E3 reveal of the Game that they have limitless powers

[@bullylowenthal2683]

So your only argument is a box when literally the novel based game 2018 Kratos stated that Baldur was the strongest God he fought at the time and Ragnarok Journal Kratos journal he said Thor out of all Gods he fought Thor hit the hardest and revived Kratos because he wanted to not because he was scared of Kratos.

[@lightmohamed5700]

@@bullylowenthal2683 oh my God average Norse fan Firstly the book is NOT first canon it is secondary canon with a LOT of differences it is made by Cory barlog’s dad the book also says that baldur has superior strength to Kratos himself which is showed in the games that this could not be further from the truth the books are trying to hype the Norse Gods up while in the games the main canon there are no powers that matches even the sisters of fate whom even Thanatos they cannot stop Thor hit the hardest meaning he is the strongest physically that’s it and revived Kratos because he was not satisfied because of Kratos is holding back a lot which does not help their case

[@bullylowenthal2683]

@@lightmohamed5700 Oh my god it's not my fault you can't power scale lol oh so now the books not canon because it debunked your flawed logic plus even then the norse Gods actually been proven in game that they are stronger in the Greek gods even when Kratos admitted so is he a liar now. Btw you gonna call me out for using the book as my argument yet your only argument is an E3 and a physical box of the game that proves no evidence

[@lightmohamed5700]

@@bullylowenthal2683 I said the books are secondary canon not “non canon” LEARN HOW TO READ the Games are the main canon and the statement was just an addition not the main reason Kratos never said the Norse lords are stronger actually Freya and mimer are always surprised by how powerful the Greeks are also Kratos said he slew lords greater than heimdall

[@bullylowenthal2683]

@@lightmohamed5700 No you didn't you got caught in lie so you backtrack lol again Kratos journal stated Thor being a strongest God after Baldur again did you even pay attention to the game or you have nostalgia glasses on because you don't like the facts

[@OnurEpik]

Only Zeus can destroy all norse gods.He can shape shift as eagle.He can use thunderbolt.He can wield blade of olympus.He is a leader...

[@hurricane7727]

In Playstation All Stars Battle Royale Zeus Dlc you get the story from his Perspective

[@Tolistan]

hot take: i do not like the rage mode in gow 3 like, the little damage it does and the lack of moves the blade has really sucks. Imagine if we had that laser blast from gow 2's blade of olympus or for like 25+ hits kratos did the Divine Reckoning and destroyed everyone arround him like in gow 2. Also being able to upgrade the damage of the rage with some hidden stuff in the game would be pretty cool

[@god1of8violance7]

Greek gods would absolutely beat the norse once due to Hades ability the pull out souls which none of the norse gods could defend

[@mr.careka365]

I thought the dragon fight in gow2018 was pretty meh. We basically just keep hacking at its toes and throwing some balls at him.

[@basselali17]

Keep uploading bro ❤

[@bambigacha.icecream]

Hot take:the blades of chaos in ascension are the best blades of all the blades in the gow series in design and combat ability

[@rudranshjoshi8142]

In terms of abilities(fire, ice, lightning, soul) Yes. But as an overall, the blades of exile is the clear winner. As the greek saga enters its ultimate game, the blades, much like Kratos, were at their peak and most refined. They had the most damage at the same level out of all blades(try beating god of war 3 with blades of Athena), the fastest(all the moves were done considerably fast, like the air tartarus rage) and the most refined skillset.

[@angel_fruit]

dont forget the amazing sounds. I have an eargasm everytime i use the heavy attack

[@rudranshjoshi8142]

@@angel_fruit okay yeah you win in the sound category😁

[@hurricane7727]

​@@rudranshjoshi8142Blades of Athena are Quicker than the Blades of Exile

[@conqueror_og]

They forgot that kratos is a greek god

[@anassel4708]

norse gods dont even feel like gods tbh,unlike greek gods who had that intimidating feel to them.

[@jaydensmith860]

I was surprised to hear the bully theme at the end, it's a great game

[@derekhogan9685]

Hot Take(?) A spin off set in an alternative world where the titans won would be fun.

[@daichiden6388]

HOT TAKE:The problem with spear of destiny is that it comes too late in the storyline,something like 60-75% of the game ? barbarian hammer is way way before,by the time you get the spear you'll have barbarian hammer maxed or good lvl and comfortable with it,whereas the spear will be low lvl and that is sometimes a turn off

[@veemo7954]

In the defence of the spear, the hammer is harder to play. The hammer might be the strongest weapon ingame but nobody realy understands it

[@daichiden6388]

@@veemo7954 imo it ain't that hard,you can par it with the bow d

[@veemo7954]

@@daichiden6388 sure but most don't even know about the bow I frames. If you aren't prety much invested in the gameplay side of gow then the chance that you would know about the hammers tricks are low

[@vlad_47]

@@veemo7954 Its very underrated but its not hard to figure out imo. Make the enemies vulnerable with the Blades, and then use the moment for a 2x triangle or L1 + triangle quick attack that deals massive damage. In the last gauntlet before Clotho, its shockwaves can used to deal free damage through the magical barrier, which is a life saver on Titan mode.

[@hurricane7727]

The Gow 2 Weapons are in Playstation All Stars Battle Royale and Gow Ascension Multiplayer

[@balrogsareop4773]

"Norse gods are more powerful" Me: *Looks at MT Olympus* *Looks at Asgard* *Looks back at MT Olympus* *Press X to doubt*

[@DarkStrat]

Hot take(?): enemies in the new gow games are very annoying because they always go away when they are low health

[@rancersweirdness]

I love these I'm so glad u made another let's argue

[@headlessghost7913]

Hi zesty I am loving the videos and rewatching the no damage runs of gow

[@fatos342]

Norse sad family men aren't better than the Greek GODS

[@peraz4905]

You yourself are just a sad loser without family your ten times sadder

[@DirtyDev]

Fat kratos

[@RAGE-OF-SPARTA-X]

Me personally, I enjoy Garm and Nidhogg more than Colossus of Rhodes as their AI’s are actually very reactive to your moves and positioning and they have much deeper move sets

[@Vayne_Solidor]

Thats funny, because I prefer Colossus ALTHOUGH I love the Norse GoW 100000 times more. Mainly for the spectacle though. Edit: i mean the spectacle of the Colossus fight

[@vlad_47]

@@Vayne_Solidor Outside Garm, the Dragon and Jörmundandr scenes there is barely any spactacle at all. Scale is massively downsized. Undead fodder soldiers becoming legitimate enemies for example shows this aswell.

[@vlad_47]

Collosus is an quite iconic fight and actually holds his own mechanically against the Dragon. Garm has of course clearly better AI, but cant forgot its PS2 vs PS4 games here.

[@lightmohamed5700]

@@vlad_47 the spectacle is Good but because of how close the camera is it is much smaller

[@Vayne_Solidor]

@@vlad_47 Sigrun still best boss. Also I meant the spectacle of the Colossus fight. Norse GoW are better for many reasons.

[@YourDadFlaxx]

hot take: Blades of Athena Square Triangle is better than the exile one

[@captaingamer7640]

Man I miss this series ,love the content man

[@mrm1ghtypaws222]

Not take: The rpg system in Gow4 and gowr are way over gated and are not really that bad. People if you take a few seconds to look at it, you will understand the stats, and especially in gowr it is extremely easy to see what is best for your style

[@RAGE-OF-SPARTA-X]

3:10 if it’s 1V1’s in all the matchups the Olympians prevail. However in a straight up war between the Olympians and the Aesir, the Aesir win for a multitude of reasons, main one being the division amongst the Olympians and Zeus’s poor leadership, he’s made far too many enemies. There’s absolutely zero rules in all out war and many ways to win, for example if Odin manages to convince an enemy to stand down or join him, that is a victory in and of itself. first thing Odin would do is identify all of the enemies of Olympus and rally/unite them which hed have a very easy time doing, that also includes kratos since he is without a doubt an enemy of Olympus. From there it’s all fairly simple, in conjunction with Gaia, the rest of the titans and Kratos, Odin would be able to orchestrate the downfall of Olympus. With how good Odin is with manipulation and deception, he’d likely be able to turn Poseidon and Hades against zeus as those three we’re already on very thin ice as evidenced by Poseidon’s letter in GOW 3, i also don’t think Hades was very happy with Zeus for letting Kratos become the God of war after what happened to Persephone. With Kratos, Thor, Heimdall and Odin all working towards the same goal there’s absolutely no chance Olympus prevails. The Olympians have no way to even strike back at the Aesir as they’d need to kill Heimdall and retrieve Gjallahorn to gain access to Asgard. Odin isn’t as good of a fighter or as Strong as the Olympians but his intelligence goes for beyond anyone in the Greek pantheon besides maybe Athena (personally i think Odin is much more intelligent.). Odin’s leadership led to an extremely long lasting dynasty that lasted thousands of years, his reign was only undone because Odin couldn’t look past his obsession with the rift/mask to see the mistakes he was making, in this scenario, Odin would not be tempted by the mask/rift as Loki does not exist yet. Zeus is a great fighter, very powerful, but he’s not a good enough leader to hold up to the pressure the Aesir would put on him, a house divided cannot stand.

[@RAGE-OF-SPARTA-X]

@@Omar8181 I agree omar, I think in a 1V1 Zeus would beat Odin.

[@vlad_47]

The corrupted and splintered, intellectually diminished post GoW 1 Olympian pantheon cant be used, you have to take the prime version. Zeus has carried Olympus from infants fighting the rulers of the universe, to the triumph over the Gigantes and Typhon. Subjugation of the Protegonoi. He rules the universe, and these domainless, tribal pretender Aesir gods arent even remotely able to challenge him and his pantheon.

[@musicforlife7033]

FIRSTTTT AND EARLY GANGGG LIKEEEE

[@LusciousTwinkle]

If i hear another person say "hes holding back" ill scream.... I dont care what the Devs say... The whole idea is preposterous. Its just because they cannot accept that Original Kratos is the GOAT and completely magnificent.... Of course hes stronger! LOOK at him!!!

[@DirtyDev]

Exactly whenever I see someone say gow 4 or ragnarok kratos would beat gow 3 kratos i just imagine they haven’t played gow 3

[@LusciousTwinkle]

@@DirtyDev Thank you. After so long playing those games it means such a lot to read comments like yours. It makes me sad what theyve done to him... Even though i do love Norse Kratos...

[@Alyan_pro]

Hot take: in god of war chains of Olympus kratos looks more stunning and fuc---- details on it and adding bandits and kratos holding blades and fire coming out of him looks great than every kratos model design even 3

[@RedDeadSpartan31]

Hot take i hope will be in the next let's argue: theseus is the best god of war boss. The first phase is very cool how he blocks and uses those ice spikes. The final phase is where it glows since there are minotaurs that have magic, which can be used to damage theseus whilst he shoots stuff at you. The fates are a close second.

[@rudranshjoshi8142]

I think the Theseus fight was good considering that it had an interesting mechanic, which was that we had to use magic to defeat him as opposed to melee. But the fates fight was on a while another level, with all the moves you can pull, all the moves they can pull and the time travel bit. Not to mention, the fates fight also had the swing mechanic incorporated to dodge Ateropos' attacks.

[@RedDeadSpartan31]

@Rudransh Joshi I know, it's just something special about Theseus, which makes him my favourite but fates, like I said, are very close

[@Snxggy1]

I wish Santa Monica made Theseus drop down, perform a aoe attack,have a fight 1 on 1 fight and then go back up. I feel like he was too simple of a boss imo.

[@rudranshjoshi8142]

@@RedDeadSpartan31 well, he IS a pretty big name in the greek mythology. I mean he took down the minotaur

[@rudranshjoshi8142]

@@Snxggy1 Same. Considering he is a pretty big and well known character in greek mythology(he took down the original minotaur), one could assume the fight would be more direct. The second phase had a good gimmick, but I generally don't like board where you mostly fight minions. I wish the Theseus fight was more like God Of War 3's Hercules fight, where he himself fights you after you fight his minions. Although, the short Theseus fight might just be Santa Monica's way of portraying how the traditional greek hero stands no chance against the beast that is Kratos

[@meldrickedwards1892]

Good video man. Also, how's your day been going?

[@kratosslayer755]

Hot take: Kratos would obviously solo's every single other character in gaming but in the god of war universe not only kratos but zeus could also do it, zeus is pretty much as powerful as kratos (perhaps even more). People don't take the gods that seriously but not only kratos but zeus as well could easily take on the doom slayer

[@rudranshjoshi8142]

Its not a hot take when you say obvious. Kratos can take down the doom slayer any time of the day

[@kratosslayer755]

@@rudranshjoshi8142 yeah but I wasn't talking about kratos, please read the whole thing

[@DirtyDev]

@@kratosslayer755 Obviously Kratos can beat doomslayer but every character in gaming??? You trolling? Kratos would get maxed out by Asura from Asura’s wrath and if we just include every character in all of gaming then we can use dragon ball characters since there are a ton of dragon ball games and pretty much every dragon ball character beyond the saiyan saga would wash kratos.

[@DirtyDev]

Doomslayer is one of the most wanked characters so saying zeus and kratos could beat him isn’t saying much.

[@jadenmcmillan4306]

​@@DirtyDevactually Kratos would solo the Dragon Ball verse because the strongest one is zeno who is only maybe low to slightly mid multiversal while Kratos is complex multiversal

[@aggamer7396]

It's strange that when I was a child, I asked my older brother who was stronger, Kratos or Hitman 5:26

[@tilion_7002]

Hot take: GoW2 has the best soundtrack

[@RunekingEDITZ]

Gameplay wise greek gods> norse gods, lore and book wise norse gods> greek gods norse gods has more feats than greek gods lore and book wise not gameplay wise

[@HitmanHimself]

what feats they have lol? if you think greek gods don't have feats then you are missing out on lore.

[@RunekingEDITZ]

@@HitmanHimself lore and book wise norse gods feats has explain perfectly than greek gods is what I'm trying to say.

[@HitmanHimself]

​@@RunekingEDITZ can you give me some examples of them?

[@RunekingEDITZ]

@@HitmanHimself OK for example odin killed ymir first giant not a ordinary giant the vessel of power and nature itself before there was nothing in norse ymir create some gods odin killed ymir and create 9 realms including Midgard ( 7 non primordial realms) he made mountains landslide and ( I Don't know it's TRUE or not ) but it said that ymir size is big like universe ( I don't know it's TRUE or not) and cory said that old kratos> young it was stated in lore that baldur "the power this man controlled seemed far greater than any kratos had encountered in his past life" and thor > baldur and thor who damage and shake the tree of life that supports all existence and thor send world serpent back in time and his blows can also be felt in all nine realms which is infinite odin killed thor in one blow in conclusion old > young > Zeus and odin scale up to old kratos and odin spells was far more powerful than anything kratos encountered before in lore wise odin > Zeus

[@HitmanHimself]

​@@RunekingEDITZ now lets goto debunking all of this. the greeks have their own universe creation. the Primordials (Ouranous, Chaos, Ourea, Ceto and others) fought (some died) and Created the entire greek universe (which is infinite btw), out of the primordial war the survivor was Ouranous the most powerful of them. that being was Overpowered by his son Cronos. (btw when he took birth time came into existence, before that no time was there) Cronos was overpowered (literally) by his son Zeus, later overthrown by him. so in terms of cosmology creation, Zeus is already 2 generations ahead of odin. 2nd he Controls the Sky (which is infinite, stated) "baldur "the power this man controlled seemed far greater than any kratos had encountered in his past life"" getting to this, it has already been refuted by the devs. A dev was asked who is stronger between Zeus and Baldur? he said Zeus 'no-contest' (which take priority than the novels) "thor who damage and shake the tree of life that supports all existence and thor send world serpent back in time and his blows can also be felt in all nine realms" lets talk about atlas a lil bit hear, Atlas is holding up the greek universe (again as I said infinite) I don't think anyone holding up infinite weight is weaker than Thor in that case. Infact far stronger. the same dude's brother Cronos was stated to be slightly weaker than him in physical strength by the devs. and that Cronos was overpowered by Zeus. " and odin scale up to old kratos and odin spells was far more powerful than anything kratos encountered" again refuted by the games itself, Mimir stated the greeks had every possible magic you could imagine. then Freya says about the sisters of fate "That's the most dangerous and irresponsible thing I have ever heard, no one has such magic" The games take priority in lore, that statement from novel gets refuted by the games.

[@gavinrummel]

I think a lot of differences between the gods strength stems from the fact that God of War has shifted its focus from being action oriented. I’m sure if GoW 4 + Ragnorok were made right after GoW 3, the Norse gods would be far more impressive in terms of their feats of strength.

[@rohollahmosavi8506]

HOT TAKE: God of war 2 blades of Athena have a better design than the blades of exil.

[@hurricane7727]

I like Both Blades of Athena in Gow 2 and Ps All Star Battle Royale because they Glow unlike Gow 3 Version

[@gomgom9060]

Hot take: People tend to use mythological stories for Greek Gods in GoW to scale them. The thing is, God of War Greek Gods are barely accurate. It doesn’t even make sense to connect them with the stories of Typhon, Perseus AND Hercules (mind you, Perseus’ the ancestor of Heracles and at this point he should’ve been a god instead of doing labors) and so on. Although they’re definitely marginally higher than Norse, they’re not gonna stomp them easily. Hell, Thor takes all except for Zeus. People wank GoW Greek Gods’ scaling by doing this, but it completely ruins the entire GoW storyline if you do so.

[@gomgom9060]

There’s even Gaia herself. She doesn’t lead the Titans to a war. She just fucking tells prophecies and does things behind the scenes. It’s 0 sense for her to go into the battlefield and throw hands with the Greek Gods. And let’s not forget how Greek Gods > Primordials despite the myths clearly stating this to be the opposite 24/7. Titans, Primordials (or Protogenois) turn Greek Gods into a pancake if they actually wanted (see Titanomachy and how did it actually end. Zeus played smart by having an ally stronger than the Titans, and possibly equal to Protogenois).

[@gomgom9060]

In conclusion, don’t use impressive visuals to scale things. Sure, Greek Gods have shown more badass moments but statements and actual fucking lore wise they’d simply be just a little bit stronger than Norse in terms of magic, but absolutely dogshit when it comes to h2h.

[@TheAngryAsianAnimations]

A lot of the lore guys I listen to seem almost unanimous in the belief that physically the norse gods are superior able to do feats of seemingly magic all through pure strength and speed such as punching so hard Jorm got sent back through time or that the battle in Asgard damaged multiple realities, while the greek gods have superior actual magic being able to manipulate time and fate.

[@madslayer4197]

Literally no one I've seen in this debate hive the norse an ounce of credit so I'd like to see who are you talking about

[@BLAZE..44.]

When i learn physics,i use the spear of density to tell me the densities of different things.

[@BLAZE..44.]

@@elite5099 Arigato 💪

[@Dad3.9]

Hot take: Kratos wasn’t bald enough

[@liveingcup]

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[@tvman250]

Imma have to go with Norse gods. -Heimdall and Baulder are already broken given the fact that they can essentially neg magic and physical attacks. -Thor and his super-weapon can just one-tap most gods with critical hit to the dome. -Valkyries can be given extra power through Odin’s bifrost. They’re not just physically stronger. Their ability to cut through magic attacks and avoid most, if not, all forms of retaliation; makes them a nightmare to go up against.

[@qman2061]

Hot Take: GoW 3 rage mode is lackluster and wished it could have been better

[@YourDadFlaxx]

Hot take: Blue tatto on Kratos looks cooler

[@ofirsolomon8393]

Hot take: GOW3 did irreversible damage to Kratos character of course God of War 3 is an amazing game it was the best selling in the series until Ragnarok but because it was so successful it was the first game in the series for alot of players and because it was their first game they thought GOW3 Kratos is the default Kratos so when they saw the calm and reasonable Kratos in GOW4 or Ragnarok instead of the crazy mad one they started to hate the new games

[@holyother1]

Most people don’t hate the stories in the new games if they played the previous games. They hate the lack of depth in gameplay in the newer ones vs the older ones

[@2letters471]

HOT TAKE: Some GOW3 animations seem really stiff and off-putting, and some of kratos's voice lines sound really poorly mixed

[@Azeral7]

That commentor clearly didn't comprehend the fact that kratos literally need the power of hope, aka plot armor to beat Zeus

[@h20poseidon33]

I loved the Greek gods of the game but personally and mythology wise norse was always more interesting to me and in the games too

[@dodar.]

Hot take: God of war ghost of sparta is a highly underrated game, top 3 gow game. Probably the most emotional story and deimos and kratos relationship was fun while it lasted, while it lacks in gameplay (the psp games aint as expansive as the ps2/ps3) it totaly makes up for it with the story and setpeices building up gow 2 and why kratos is soo pissed in that game

[@isadalgin6762]

Hot take the draupnir spear is better than the blades of Chaos in gow ragnarök

[@buchingjj6959]

Kratos design is sick, not only that he has that white skinned stair, although he is balled, his design is equal to vergil and dntes design.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Hot Take: Ghost of Sparta is a better sequel story wise then God of War II It moves Kratos’ character forward so well and adds so much context to his arc

[@vlad_47]

Ghost of Sparta is as much a sequal to GoW 1 as it is a prequal to GoW 2. It connects these two games, explaining what happened after Ares death and why Kratos started to conquer Greece.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

@@vlad_47 I’m aware, I’m saying In terms of acting as a sequel it beats out II in most areas for me

[@fourty9933]

4:40 kratos is the kid who said the same joke but louder

[@masteryoda7366]

Poseidon killed a Titan with just one punch. Enough said

[@vlad_47]

Literally rammed on stone titan with his head lol

[@Yasin-yi1bb]

Hey Zesty, have you ever platinum'd any of the games before? it would be an interesting video to see you go for all the trophies on each game. xP

[@ViPRedPilled]

It's not just a hot take, it's extremely important to argue ❤

[@Aran-_-]

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[@akshunnadevansh5531]

Tatrus rage helped me complete the translator

[@WeaveYaWorld2024]

Honestly in every single take on this situation I have seen Zeus is Stated supposedly has the King of all God's Regardless of Pantheon I have seen it in so many different franchises im not talking about God of war Just to be clear im talking over all Zeus is usually considered the Supreme God I know each Pantheon has there Own Leader

[@hurricane7727]

Norse Pantheon in any Version( marvel or Gow etc) aren't Immortal. They are only Long Lived then Die of Old age(Mcu Odin died in Thor Ragnarok of Old age).

[@HAMZA-OLYMPUS]

5:16 Yooo Midgard Chronicles! Daddy

[@armando12322]

Don't think it's a fair comparison Demos and Kratos. I mean, the whole Deimos idea was to give Kratos history even more complexity, as for his design, I don't know, Kratos being bald gives him more of the badass vibe, the angrier vibe. Believe only the hair set them a part really, deimos markings were a plot tool to make the story even more interesting so they could create another psp game.

[@Wavyslim]

4:47 on Deimos it was a birth mark not a tattoo. 😅

[@UserAGodofWar]

When Zesty uploads a hot take video something big is going to happen

[@abrahamrosales878]

Hot take: nemean cestus is the best side weapon in the whole series

[@thatonerandomguyontheinter4971]

Hot take: gow ascension is the best gow game in terms of sfx

[@adekaiwamisou]

I'd say in a war betwene greek gods and norse gods, the greeks still get it because teir powers can counter quite a bit of the Norse trump cards. Baldur's immortality? Hades can eat his soul. Heimdall's Foresight? Helios blinding light can overwhelm him Then we have the battle of Olympus where we see the Gods beign quite competent in repelling the titans and causing mayhem in their ranks. In powers they seem to have more wider area effects and immediate summons (hade's chaisn and soul attacks, Helios Blindign light, Poseidon controlling the entire ocean etc) Even in brains, athena and zeus can definately outsmart odin and we know he has a lot of problems in his ranks.

[@ArifumiShami]

Whenever Thor Nock's Kratos Door, 🚪 Kratos And Atreus≈ *Why Do I Hear Boss Music???!?!..........* THOR≈ *I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING!!!!!* 😡😠🤬

[@idk-ku3il]

Love youre vids

[@finleyclark7317]

Hot take:The way you get Apollo’s bow is not that good it would have been better if you fought Apollo to get the bow.Note:You are my favourite KZbinr.

[@rudranshjoshi8142]

Yep. That would also have been a pretty good way to bring Apollo into the game as a boss. Maybe even Apollo and Artemis twin bosses, kinda like Agni and Rudra from DMC3. They could have been early game and the reward is good

[@rudranshjoshi8142]

HOT TAKE: All secondary weapons in God Of War 1 and 2 are shit.I know they are pretty useful but the only secondary weapon I sorta liked was Artemis' Blade.A lot of encounters were dealt more stylishly just using the Blades

[@Snxggy1]

stylishly? This is god of war bro who cares about being stylish.

[@Snxggy1]

God of war 1 and 2 secondary weapons are great,their just limited compared to the blades.

[@rudranshjoshi8142]

@@Snxggy1 nahhh Bro. Personally i think the supreme way to handle every encounter is to use only the blades. No matter which difficulty, I play with the blades unless the game demands to use another item. Magic feels like a cheat, and secondary weapons don't give that much satisfaction. But magic is cool. The secondary weapons are mid at most. Orrrrrrr maybe I really suck at using secondary weapons because I only use the blades😂

[@Snxggy1]

@@rudranshjoshi8142 If you use your secondary weapons efficiently(Barbarian Hammer and Blade of Artemis) you can deal more damage.

[@rudranshjoshi8142]

@@Snxggy1 in my next playthrough I'll try to do add you suggest

[@TheHiddenOne426]

Yo mate, hello. Hope you are doing great. I would like to discuss the Greeks vs the Norse with you, do you have Discord? ^^

[@lefonwastaken3393]

The take about deimos being a better designed character.. I’m pretty sure when God Of War was in its infancy and they were designing Kratos, Deimos wasn’t even in the picture. Unless I’m forgetting sth from the first game.

[@hypsin0]

There's a secret movie in the first game which talks about an alternate history of Deimos - as well as an alternate version of Kratos' encounter with his mother from Ghost of Sparta. It seemed like they were drafting the plot for God of War II, and it ended up becoming Ghost of Sparta.

[@Kodrex19]

Hot take atack, all moves in God of war Ghost of Sparta are better than Chains of Olympus look at faster version of Tartarus Rage which more fits combos and also that runnig graple with 3 option just awesome

[@sllluuu]

Hot Take: If end of gow 3 kratos was teleported to the gow ragnorok verse he would be 2nd in overall strength only second to old kratos.

[@sofaking5333]

Hot take:I know this take can be a little nitpicky but...(you cannot put time travel in the story and do what ever you want) God of war 2 has the biggest plot hole in the franchise. Kratos goes back in time and stops Zeus from killing him, then HOW TF is he able to save himself from dying, i mean if he didn't die he would not be able to talk to Gaia, so he will not be where he is right now. But some people will say "past doesn't effect the future" then why there is that cut scene how Kratos dies when Atropos breaks the sword. There he dies because his past was changed. Same goes with the Titans coming to present, if they came back to his time, then how would Kratos be able to kill Ares in the first place, he wouldn't be able to acquire the Pandora's box because Cronos wouldn't be there.

[@YourDadFlaxx]

Hot Take: Poseidon can kill all of the norse gods (not sure if he can do Odin)

[@blackmask5335]

Thor will defeat poseidon but it would be high- extreme difference Odin will also defeat poseidon( high diff) Even though norse gods were shown very weak in the game but im judging them on the basis of how their strength was discussed in dialogues

[@the_hardcore_experienced]

Thor can one shot Poseidon in one throw by Mjolnir

[@orrraange-ing]

Hot take: the formula for the norse gow games is NOT good for doing colossal bosses such as the dragons in 2018 and Nidhogg in ragnarok. You should be able to jump around and swing from place to place. The faster formula from the Greece games is better for those colossal bosses

[@vlad_47]

This Last of Us camera robs the games of any sense of scale unless its literally shoved in your face like the World Serpent. These games also broke with the massive sea monster boss tradition which sucks. Ragnarök (the battle) would have looked epic asf in the PS3 era, instead of what we got now.

[@DarkStrat]

Hot take: i like gow4 because you can see more clearly enemy attacks and dodge perfectly than in old gow games where i didnt know what was happening because of the zoom out

[@HAMZA-OLYMPUS]

What about GoW5?

[@DarkStrat]

Well its the same formula so i like that too

[@veemo7954]

I think it's more the opposite, I had a harder time keeping track of them compared to gow1-3 where I could prety much see every enemy and react to it

[@DarkStrat]

@@veemo7954 well the good thing about the old formula is that you can see all around you as in the newer games you can see mostly in front of kratos. Personally i dont have a problem with the new formula.

[@DarkStrat]

@@veemo7954 plus in the new games you have last second dodges with their perks