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[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Merch Store: teespring.com/stores/growling-sidewinder-store I'm A Cat Person Hoodie: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/listing/i-m-a-cat-person-f-14-tomcat?product=227 Huge Thank you to Shotgun for flying the F-84 in this video, he put up a great fight deff better than anything I could have pulled off against the Mig-15, but unfortunately I did have to disintegrate him with my 37mm lol, thanks for watching guys and I'll see you in the next one much love.

[@aaronspaulding205]

What is the song you play during tac-view? I thought it was moonlight sonata at first, but realized it wasn’t.

[@Anarchy_420]

During the Korean War U.S. Prop Planes shot down MIG's on a couple occasions-- The Hawker Sea Fury shot down a MIG-15 and The AU4 Corsair also shot down a MIG-15! Vietnam-- A-1 Skyraider shoots down MIG-17 I believe on two separate occasions!! Request Fly Either-- Hawker Hurricane, Super Tucano, P-47, P-51, or Spitfire! Against The MIG-15!!👍

[@Anarchy_420]

Not giving up this request got 53 likes👍 lol come on GS

[@ditzydoo4378]

I don't think I've ever seen a one-vs-one between a Saab JA-37 Viggen and an F-14B Tomcat. Both were interceptors (one land/one fleet) of the same era. The Viggen first flew in 1967 and was finally retired from active Swedish service in 2005. enquiring minds just wanna know. ^~^

[@user-wf7gp4es5i]

Shit, F84!!! That recalled my memory that Taiwan Air force used that brutally beat Holy Totalitarian Great Evil China Empire's Mig-17!!!!

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

There's a good reason the F-86 was quickly introduced over Korea. My father was a really fearsome adversary to those early jets until he finally met a worthy and respected rival.

[@Graczent.D]

Wouldnt your Dad be the MiG-19?

[@desertdesmond6736]

@@Graczent.D the family tree: MiG-9 (great grandfather) > MiG 15 (grandfather) > MiG 19 (father) > MiG 21 > MiG 17 (grandfather's brother)

[@Graczent.D]

@@desertdesmond6736 thats why im Wondering since the 19 also sort of fits the Role of the 21 later on as Interceptor

[@getgaijoobed6219]

Great grandfather*

[@GrummanTestPilot]

@@desertdesmond6736 wouldn’t the MiG-17 be the older brother to the MiG-19?

[@jamesrichardson8484]

The F-84 suffered from the same problem alot of early jets had. The tech advanced so fast that it seemed that a new jet would come out and it would be the king of the mountain....for 6 months.

[@user-gp2sh3li4l]

A-10 v p-51 do it bruh Good video by the way

[@dave_riots]

That's like putting a cat in the ring with a rhinoceros.

[@user-gp2sh3li4l]

Who knows the mustang turns about as well. I have heard someone say the a10 has similar performance to the mustang and I want this to be tested.

[@-45-17]

I mean, the top speed of the two is similar and I'd assume the turn on the a-10 is probably not the worst without suspended armament or only missiles if it can carry those, it'd be interesting that's for sure

[@spurlock2679]

I've had the pleasure of witnessing the A-10 and P-51 mustang fly in formation together it was awesome 👌.

[@InterstellarTaco]

I low key think the P51 will win

[@Matterian]

You are grounded GS!! Your excessive use of 30mm Rounds is just to expensive. These rounds do not grow on trees comrade. AS it is with Flares.

[@lilsmoot4488]

Can we just take a second to admire how huge a 37mm round is? It's almost 1.5 inches in diameter.

[@v1n1c1u55anto5]

They used to shoot potatos with it.

[@julisity6640]

lol freedom units

[@arthurbesnard1536]

3.7 cm of diameter, explosive incendiary round. no joke

[@JAnx01]

@@singular9 Also Soviets in the 70 's: 5.45mm is ideal.

[@TADAMAT-CZ]

Lots of tanks during early stages of WW2 used 37mm guns. So yeah, Its quite big

[@urielmanzone1772]

Bro thunderjets were actually slaughtered on a daily basis during the korean war!

[@fubaralakbar6800]

No surprise, since from my reading they could barely pull 4 Gs.

[@Cragified]

@@fubaralakbar6800 Pulling G isn't a measure of turn rate. G is a factor of angle of attack, velocity, thrust, and many other factors. F-84s were also meant to be a fighter-bomber strike aircraft so comparing them to a pure interceptor or fighter is fool hearty to begin with. And in Korea as strike aircraft they performed wonderfully. At optimal airspeed the F-84 could hold it's own against The MiG-15. The problem is that due to it's lower acceleration from higher weight it would fall outside that faster then the MiG-15. Republic F-84s flew 86,408 missions, and were the Air Force’s primary strike aircraft. They were credited with destroying or damaging 105 MiG-15s; 173 Thunderjets were lost or damaged in combat. For a strike aircraft that is an exceptionally low loss to sortie rate.

[@MrDino1953]

@@Cragified - foolhardy not fool hearty.

[@whitestarline4556]

@@Cragified theres always a dude like you that would defend even satan lmao

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@whitestarline4556 kinda an extreme comparison

[@basecoat1966]

Love the BF1942 theme slipped in there after 1st kill.

[@sykosocial]

@@pakchu2 the main theme...of BF 1942..

[@Kurogumo]

@@sykosocial no it’s not go look it up they sound way different

[@sykosocial]

@@Kurogumo I played the game. They are, in fact, similar. BF1942 main theme. and the one here - same note progression

[@Kurogumo]

@@sykosocial If it was simply the bf 1942 theme they would sound the same, but they don’t, so it’s not. It’s probably a remix or something.

[@sykosocial]

@@Kurogumo you realize that you can take an instrumentation from over 10 years ago and recreate it using more modern equipment and it’s probably going to sound slightly different - along with adding/removing some instrumentation. It literally has the same chord progression and if you can’t see that then I guess this is a lost cause.

[@System-Update]

"What's up my dudes" is your best intro yet my dude.

[@nickhimaras9331]

Marginally more "equal" than your UH-1 vs. Mi-24 adventures..i.e. "A fool in an F-84G tests his airframe for Russian 37mm round impact". Great fun as always GS!!

[@stinkyfungus]

Hind vs Huey was more like a comedy though... lotta giggles on that one. This was just savage.

[@f2ppoorloserjealoustearist454]

hind vs huey in real life = huey massacre , hind's four barrel 12.7 minigun fire all API round make short work of any huey

[@khoipham8303]

I'm a simple man. I see MiG, I click.

[@Eduard_Kolesnikov]

Mig 15 #1

[@MageOtter27]

NIG

[@raymondyee2008]

And here I am seeing deja vu to the PC game "MIG Alley".

[@idfclutchnixon]

Those old kill cams are spot on and nostalgic... Also by the look of it, you're the one who seems to be carrying nuclear weapons...

[@LTMIM]

Great video, I love these old 1st gen jets, F-2 and P-80 included. It’d be nice if they did more of these older jets in DCS. I wonder how the F-84 would stack up against the MiG-09

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

Provided my coughing sputtering grandpa can even get off the ground with those problematic engines of his, haha! The MiG-9's engine is a meme in of itself.

[@LTMIM]

@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 weren’t they based on reverse engineered German engines from the ME262?

[@CRAZYHORSE19682003]

I would love to see the MIG-15 against the F9F Panther. The MIG was CLEARLY a far superior aircraft but US Navy pilots flying Panthers managed to shoot down multiple MIG-15's during the Korean War.

[@jakubpawelczyk2688]

When you put a WWII veterans against pilots that barely even know what a jet aircraft is, then you shouldn't be surprised that the veterans win, even with a bit of a worse equipment

[@matthewkologi6833]

I am listening to an audiobook about it right now. F9F apparently used four 20mm canons, which had a much better ability to knock down the MiG 15. The MiG was built to be extremely tough. Also, according to the pilots, the MiG had a better rate of climb and performed better at high altitude, while the Sabre was more maneuverable and could out-dive the MiG. F86 was the first jet capable of breaking the sound barrier in a dive. MiG could not do it due to the placement of it’s rear stabilizer.

[@andreipendle1778]

Cool explanation of advantages of low vs high aspect angle shots. Thanks bro!

[@johnsmith-gk4td]

The F84, like some have already commented below, was primarily a ground attack bird. It started off originally as a fighter escort but that role was quickly replaced by the F86.

[@LessAiredvanU]

According to the Fleet Air Arm pilots who flew Sea Fury's against the MiG 15, the *cough* Korean pilots used both calibres of cannon when dogfighting...

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Technically the North Koreans also flew Mig-15 not just the Russians

[@ditzydoo4378]

I don't think I've ever seen a one-vs-one between a Saab JA-37 Viggen and an F-14B Tomcat. Both were interceptors (one land/one fleet) of the same era. The Viggen first flew in 1967 and was finally retired from active Swedish service in 2005. enquiring minds just wanna know. ^~^

[@Aaron-hk5ng]

Shotgun sees a lot of loosing cues then drops Nuke 😂

[@fastfiddler1625]

Ok yeah that's great and all, but we should all just stare in awe at how beautiful DCS is looking. Seriously though, great videos. I'm learning so much just watching these.

[@kcmsterpce]

6:48 Overkill... because the booms are fun!

[@blinthepannkek6173]

Those rounds sure are devastating to fighter sized planes... But allow me to introduce... *the HS 129's cannon* The 1st round was nerve racking tho, great fight!

[@joepapp01]

Return of the slow-mo kill cam! love it!! :D

[@dystopianlucidity4448]

Good job my dude, your gunnery is improving quite a bit!

[@SnaketheJake87]

Here's your awkward NATO naming convention for the KZbin algorithm

[@SuperiorAutocraft]

Oof, that cannon hitting the fizzy spot.

[@americanpatriot4227]

Good Fight Shotgun, thanks for teaming up again.

[@joshuat20k]

Love that .38 though! It is beautiful, just like those flyby's!

[@user-vz5bu6js4p]

ultimate disrespect to shoot at something that's already crashed!

[@GM-fh5jp]

I believe the F4-u Corsairs had a number of good fights with the MiG 15 at the start of the war (zoom and boom?) That might be an interesting recreation,Growly?

[@orionprime2543]

did someone ever told you that your intro is one of the best in KZbin?,stuff;s amazing dude :D

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks buddy much love.

[@jikemenkins7098]

Great vid! Thanks for the frequent uploads. You're my #1 YT channel, forsure. Mig-15 was rating 17.5/sec? Isn't that exactly what the F-16 was rating in the last video? Better do Mig-15 vs F-16 video!

[@user-yz6xx2wl5d]

What for? Fourth generation versus third, no sense. Better then with Mig 29

[@SouthPoleAntarctica]

the two types had encounters, including one with weapons fired, along the Iron curtain, too.

[@TORMotorsports]

That poor 84 got ganked by that 37mm. Nice shot GS!

[@snux7364]

"whats up my dudes" im still recovering from the first time you said it

[@paulcooper9011]

The Royal Ordnance Quick Firing 2pdr anti-tank gun was a 37mm.

[@avramnovorra]

Knowing that the F-84 comes up in TacView as an F-4 instead, now i wanna see the Phantom take on the Fa- i mean MiG15!

[@geoffgreen2105]

I think the best feature of the F-84 is that you can see the Cubs losing from the cockpit as you fly from Washington DC to Los Angeles via Chicago.

[@dannysema6786]

Cnt wait to see you on the new SU single engine fighter to be unveiled tomorrow.

[@fewyearsbehind9333]

My idea for f84 is don't turn, go straight. Keep 700-900 km/h when Mig gains on You do flat scisors (at high speed f84 should have better roll) and try to make Mig overshoot and take a snapshot.

[@bradleymyers5030]

Sweet beans, lets get some.

[@militaryshorts1774]

We want another JF-17 Thunder Video with insane SD-10s in action

[@Mike_Romeo]

Thank you

[@jasontaylor2549]

visual quality is insane.

[@Vanessaira-Retro]

When that Battlefield theme kicks in. :D

[@rudelchw]

Really excellent video .. wonder how you get the track files to work so well for you, in order to get those slow motion replays 😎

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

A whole lot of luck brother

[@nathanaelgilkes4412]

6:45 "one shot 1 kill....no luck, all skill"

[@notmetal0-130]

GS: "What's up my Dudes" Me:Keep talking to me like that

[@hermanheart6810]

turnin and burnin with the J-35-A. love to see the f-84

[@zdenekoldrichmarek2867]

Wow as a young boy watching the flying happening in Manston RAF/USAF AFB I always have memories that the F84 was a superior aircraft,but I now know the Mig 15 bis was so much more superior.The USAF Pilots were really suffering hard to survive if alone in the Sky with an F84 God Bless Them. Great video as usual,Thanks Be Blessed.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Interesting choice :)

[@doncalypso]

I wonder if the F-80 and F-84 would've fared better against the MiG-15 if they had a higher thrust-to-weight ratio and all-moving horizontal stabs instead of the classic elevators.... the straight wings limited speed but likely would've made them more maneuverable at slow speeds.

[@muse9260]

Dayumm sonn, that 37mm is a beast!!

[@callumgolding7191]

Can you do more tacview debriefs in your future videos as summaries? Really helpful!!

[@GM-fh5jp]

In Round 2, too low for him to try a split S when he saw those first rounds looping over his cockpit? Hitting an aluminium fighter jet with an anti-aircraft round basically...ouch that's gotta hurt ;)

[@IamN0-1]

The F-84 gives off serious killers from space vibes

[@SuperJeb98]

I wish that you guys swapped planes each round or so on. Cool fight regardless.

[@hitstick567]

Hey Side, have you ever thought about doing an educational BFM series? I think it would pay off BIG TIME

[@misterangel8486]

Aha old-school. Sweet😎👍

[@christianm1533]

Man 37mm. That's one hefty round.

[@dandaly7305]

If it's possible, a bigger font in TacView data windows would make it possible to see the airspeed/G/turn rate. Interesting.

[@saamkapadia]

aww i wish u would have flown the thunderjet, maybe a video of a 2v2 with longshot? :)

[@F22raptor46]

In the next one can you do a series of dogfights with the A-4 Skyhawk with the new update? They have a new update with an EFM

[@member5488]

Nothing like slicing things up with 37 mike mike.

[@dioad1739]

Awesome GS

[@AussiePillow1]

What was that battlefield like song you used in the first slow mo replay?

[@Mike_Romeo]

Its a private remix of the Battelfield 1942 theme

[@michaeljohnkildarethebearw4426]

It would be good to see Korean vintage P51 or even better, F4U Corsair up against the MiG15...or even a RAAF Meteor

[@normanbradley2536]

How can you see the other planes? Im looking at video and half the time I just cannot see them in the distance or even the merge.

[@williamsjm100]

My only disappointment is that Shotgun did not find a way to cobra the Thunderjet and tag you with a couple of rounds as the wings fell off under aerodynamic strain!

[@patriciosilvarobalino9832]

Just need a clarification.!!! Were the wing tanks of F84 fixed to the wing?, or there was chance to got away of them and fight in a cleaner shape?

[@jacobrudder7582]

Thought this was a war thunder vid until I saw which channel it was lol

[@avidaviation67]

When I saw this I had to click epic video GS.

[@weld4200]

Love ur vids bro ... Mostly the heli vids . i have a turbine mosquito ultralight heli .i bought as a kit. .have my ppls as well. But i mostly flt under part 103 . ultralight class aircraft

[@christianpethukov8155]

My late stepdad flew F-84s during the Korean War. Fun video.

[@hawkuser604]

Back around 2003 or 2004 I was in Bosnia and there were a bunch of F-84F aircraft on the gun range. So we blasted them with our M-60s from Black Hawks... Shame to do it to a classic old airplane, but they were already trashed anyway.

[@paulybassman7311]

Hey GS, Extremely Disrespectful on LS 🤣🤣🤣

[@TheMagusOfTheMagnaCarta]

There's a few manoeuvres the 84 could a used to mitigate the MIGs turn rate advantage. Cross controlling, barrel roll to the outside etc... I don't see anyone using these little "tricks".

[@avidaviation67]

Mig-15 almost has every advantage except for ammo count. Plus Wing tip fuel tanks didn't help the F-84G in side attacks in IRL.

[@Peterax788]

GS, could you do some world war2 fights? like the P47 vs the BF-109? These guys usually ,met combat very often

[@LogieT2K]

No wonder the f-84 was quickly put aside when the f86 arrived. Its a good looking jet tho imo It served well in the ground attack role

[@Anarchy_420]

Please fly The F-86 Sabre against The A-10 Thunderbolt II 👍

[@goose8447]

ScottishKoala advancing forward with the j35's vs mig21's while GE is going early gen with the f84's and mig15's, oh yeah, it's all coming together now

[@rodneypayne4827]

So the myth continues. For context, the early F84 pilots were straight out of peace time training schools and didn't have the experience that later F84 pilots had because the USAF transferred former P47 units stationed in Europe who had WW2 experience. The Far East Airforce pilots were predominantly replacement occupation forces who hadn't seen combat. Experienced WW2 P47 units stationed flying F84s had greater success and showed that they could more than hold their own against the Migs. At medium altitudes even the F80 could outturn the Mig.( I'm summarising)

[@avidaviation67]

You could've spiral climbed in the rate fight then used superior role rate to get your nose on him. But still you did well.

[@carramba66]

MiG-15 vs. F-84, it is Battle of Merklin 1953

[@madmarauder9925]

It would be cool if you got the other pilot to do your after action with you and share your thoughts on what happened

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I tried this back in the day, most people actually don't want to do it, I think it makes them nervous to have their audio out on youtube, theyre happy to fly tho.

[@Aaron-hk5ng]

Let's see you, Longshot and Shotgun in aircraft of choice vs a F22

[@reggiesterling9394]

I absolutely love the mig 15 and the other migs qith the same look even for a old jet its just aqsome looking aircraft

[@AhnkoCheeOutdoors]

Is it possible to do a Me 262 vs F-80? Or a Me 262 vs a Gloucester Meteor?

[@zaphodt3405]

LongShot was a little short there ....... context is so important if this was said outside of this video :D

[@melgillham462]

Interesting thing with the mig 15. I've read and watched multiple pieces that note in a dive exceeding 600mph the plane has trouble with control. Becomes a bullet.. just an interesting aside fir you.

[@stinkyfungus]

Before that even - it gets mighty hard to muscle that thing around at around 420kts. It didn't have boosted hydraulics - it took a real gorilla to turn it at higher airspeed, it was one of the advantages the 86 had... G suits and boosted hydraulics. The Mig could easily out rate an 86 as long as the fight stayed at lower airspeeds - but if that 86 went into a dive, and got fast - it could peel the mig off its ass well timed right bank and hard pull (planes were set up right hand on stick, left on throttle, and most guys who are right handed find they can put more "muscle" into a left bank by pushing the stick rather than pulling the stick as one would to make a right bank... so at higher speeds it was harder for a mig pilot to turn right)

[@melgillham462]

@@stinkyfungus awesome information, my dad was airforce in Korea, he was ordinance tech. As well as in Vietnam, he had some stories but nothing that detailed, thx for sharing.🤝

[@onkelmicke9670]

Poor dude in that brick.

[@Kurogumo]

What is the music that plays after you get a kill?

[@RomaNovikov1980]

Когда -84 ушёл на вертикаль, а -15 на вираж, я себе лицо разбил.

[@SON-hz8tt]

Eurofighter vs grippen would be great

[@SPak-rt2gb]

I wonder how the swept wing version of the F-84 would of done against the Mig 15

[@JBASH2011]

Thunderstreak. Historically the Streak was inferior to the Sabre, but I'd like to see GS do that as well.

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

The MiG-15 would still had an edge overall but not as much as against the Thunderjet.

[@29top-damar92]

su-57 vs f-22 bvr fight pls

[@pigeonovic9792]

Can you do a F-100 Super sabre vs Mig 19 or a Mig 17 vs f-4 phantom

[@w0mblemania]

Q. when we see a shot coming out of the guns, is that shot a tracer? And all the others are effectively invisible, apart from smoke trails?

[@Kurogumo]

Yes

[@w0mblemania]

@@Kurogumo Cheers.

[@Kurogumo]

@@w0mblemaniaNo worries, mind you that the tracer to normal round ratio changes from nation to nation; for the US it was 1 in 5.