Facecheck S02E28 - LS: "I Think TSM Might Go 0-6 In Groups"

[@vonwaq]

ls aka "laggy stream" is known for constantly causing abrupt lag spikes, causing listeners to either think that they're the ones who are lagging and refresh their browser, or spamming F in chat, followed by saved PogU once it stops lagging.

[@gaxgaxgax1234able]

Well TSM finished their speedrun to the Airport ANY %

[@EvelynDayless]

Nah, this was no glitch. Any % is when they all commit seppuku four games in to no-clip through the exit.

[@crashoutvergil]

@@EvelynDayless this shit is so corny lmfao.

[@shrasterp1793]

LS THE PROPHET, TSM GO 0-6 LOL

[@deejayf69]

It hurts so badly D:

[@XpertPirate]

who didnt know they were going 0-6 if you though TSM were gonna get a win idk what to tell you

[@RomnysGonzalez]

The only thing NA has learned at Worlds this year is which one is the faster route to the airport at China

[@chrishaugh1655]

"the airport at China" *AT CHINA*

[@jakobbokaj123]

@@chrishaugh1655 yeah you know, the one airport at that china place lmao

[@eltjeau]

@@jakobbokaj123 well most American hate foreigners, but don't know there is land called "not America".

[@Bj-vd2tp]

@@eltjeau 10/10 reply actually

[@cin5570]

Romnys Gonzalez no they learned that NA needs Leena to make it to worlds

[@danielleparr345]

Holy shit Dom's knowledge of Australia is 10/10, Tasmania memes and Melbourne pronunciation. Well done.

[@kensworth39]

I'm pretty sure he worked there breifly

[@CoachApuma]

@@kensworth39 I think an ex girlfriend of his is Australian, but I might be wrong

[@SoundwaveSurfing]

1:00 That is quality comedy right there. Proud of my boy Dgon.

[@_maj3stic239]

im here because TSM went 0-6 in worlds

[@ITSMIAS]

We all saw the writing on the wall. I had some hope but I think this was, unfortunately, the expected result

[@carlosrazier433]

Yea I guess so.

[@nateol2]

yeah... i think that's the same sentiment from a majority of tsm fans

[@ArcasCorricol]

oce players getting a whole 7 minutes on facecheck? we made it, let's go! if we improve next year we'll get an 8 minute section!

[@cremlindor6607]

POGGERS

[@LodgicalThoughts]

In oce we set humble goals

[@intifadayuri]

Hey my region latin america is algo getting finally some love also, I think we almost got a whole minute

[@jadser1]

OCE! OCE! OCE! OCE!

[@the1thread465]

oce is also not getting a whole season next year PepeLaugh

[@liquetwitch6848]

Dom i love these thank you and Dgon for making them

[@CaptnLenox]

rip loco and the girlfriend references

[@calvinshannon4361]

the good ol days

[@006ran1]

NA is like the girl you think is really hot then you get into the real world and you compare her to other girls from around the world and you realize oh wow she's actually really ugly

[@brentb20]

What happened with Loco ?

[@CaptnLenox]

@@brentb20 stopped doing league content

[@benjaminfranklin2192]

What time was this in the video?

[@kaue2382]

the reason brazilian teams don't improve is the culture, it's really similar to NA where people don't want to improve by doing things differently than they do, they rather justify what they're doing than try to criticize it

[@fabian-764]

I love that the 3 of them seem like a bunch of homies talking about league, comes off like a good friendship

[@radikalkatten]

Almost like when you first go out with a girl...

[@Yeahboii1]

I'd love to see an oce team make it in to groups hell winning 3 is hype af for our region haha making groups would've been sick 😂

[@Bj-vd2tp]

At this Point oce should become a Main Region and NA wildcard tbh.

[@LodgicalThoughts]

It’s difficult for us to send a decent team as the top talent was poached. If oce sent a super team it could go off

[@dfghxdfghsdsxdhdftx803]

@@LodgicalThoughts true true... Its like in dota bros. In our country ph all the homegrown good players were snatched from us by eu and na for HUGE contracts. Kekw.

[@LodgicalThoughts]

@@dfghxdfghsdsxdhdftx803 yes and its fairsa... couldn't expect these players to stay and play for "pride" KEKW.

[@bigfatmoo]

@@Bj-vd2tp ¹¹¹¹¹¹¹¹¹¹¹¹

[@Chocolateness2000]

Dom talking about Australia was so accurate like wows. 3 months and he's basically one of us.

[@samuelvaughan7344]

Dom has a surprisingly good understanding of Australia

[@samuelvaughan7344]

@@saintinho did he?

[@stashatstake]

He played in OCE a couple of years ago. Some clips are there on his channel, you can watch him discovering what he's saying

[@DoYouEvenRift]

He went to aus for like a month to play

[@jakobbokaj123]

Kek he was there for 3 months cause of his girlfriend at the time. No one goes there to play lmao

[@Shm00ly]

He was there to bang an Ozzy bird.

[@ungod8741]

I think what Jatt said in his interview with Travis is what I'm latching onto as far as how NA teams will do. "Yes, you should be worried. But until our team is officially eliminated, we're not gonna give up and I don't think the fans should either." And FLY did pick up a win today. Here's to hoping.

[@omargutierrez8840]

When play ins started i was getting up at 3am every morning to see TL play and when we i saw that TL game against machi along with the G2 vs Suning game i knew it was doomed for tl and stopped getting up early to watch. Were gonna get out jg and we have huge champ pool problems. All the NA teams looked doomed

[@whiteflame24]

Fly won against UOL and it was the messiest game of the group stages yet

[@LodgicalThoughts]

Barely beat a wildcard team, and quite honestly should have lost the game, POE 1v9d it. Keep in mind both NA players on the team (wild turtle and solo) are so fucking bad they are making the game unplayable. I reckon UOL beats them in a bo5, van Rakaan and the team can’t play either.

[@KingKyuu]

@@LodgicalThoughts okay you're smoking crack outside of that brain dead play at soul point WT was doing perfectly fine

[@LodgicalThoughts]

@@KingKyuu "outside of that brain dead play" bro it was braindead hahah, and it was his only misplay but 1 adc death = 3

[@falldrake1796]

As a Western fan, gotta say G2 gonna be the only hope.

[@kas8ia]

and mb fnatic

[@TheBlackfall234]

I think youre judging way to early.

[@eVill420]

hey considering how rogue was able to match JDG it's still fair game for european teams. Fnatic should make it too, but oc there's no saying.

[@AnhKyNguyen-er7qq]

Imagine being a Western fan with an anime profile pic, NA can suk my Vietnamese and ballz

[@AnhKyNguyen-er7qq]

Sephiramis Seraphine ur just some na femboy

[@nightmare_1337]

I think 10% for getting one NA team out of groups is already pretty generous

[@jameshuang2677]

It's ridiculous. 1% would be generous.

[@jimai808]

If g2 won against suning then TL wouldve had a tiebreaker for second. So they were pretty close.

[@nightmare_1337]

@@jimai808 tl lost to suning twice. could have won their own games but they didn't. getting a tiebreaker and winning it are two different things aswell, just look at tsm's tiebreaker record

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

I think it's BS that LATAM counts as imports. Last I checked Mexico is literally in NA and the league is there so...

[@years-ti7xl]

Mexico is technically part of NA.

[@judgementalpotato1198]

yea na doesnt mean united states it means north america the continent

[@intifadayuri]

If LCS had the opportunity to import LATAM players without counting as an import slot it would be way too unfait to LLA (the latin american league), all good players we have here will just end up in academy so now all the talent of the region will be gone.

[@wertha]

Well LATAM is not only México and imports are based on region of residency. You can have dual citizenship but you have to chose a region and based on that you are an import on the other. Also residency is based on citizenship since you can only declare residency on regions that you are elegible to, which means you live, work and all that

[@erlendode]

Loco died for that kekw from dGon

[@diansonzhang9834]

and he still deserved it

[@jolodobles724]

@@diansonzhang9834 what he do?

[@diansonzhang9834]

@@jolodobles724 you ever watch loco?????

[@Justthatboss]

Hearing about the PSG Talon emergency subs, I request that we bring in Tyler1 to replace Solo in the top lane. The emergency? FlyQuest would’ve won summer playoffs and we wouldn’t have gotten bullied so hard by TOP if T1 was playing Teemo

[@arturdias6399]

Dom I know nothing about the uploading of videos/ editing. But can they be published earlier? By the time they come out they are half obsolete

[@milesocon3756]

The end with them planning/calling gout LS had me in stitches. Good shit bois!

[@RGB_V1]

Loco ended up being replaceable Kek Sadge

[@crazyxgamer]

"FlyGon" yeah that's a good one

[@godssons6979]

Man Ls (laggy stream) really had me rethinkin my network provider for a minute. Almost had me lmao

[@Harv3yQuinn]

Definitely excited for this episode 👀

[@dinubar8474]

1:23:11 It is absolutely possible that deep learning can achieve that, the problem is how long it will need to train, since you need to supply it with all the data you can get, even stuff like what did the player eat, or how good did the coach sleep and stuff...

[@Will12000]

I just realised Machi Esports is owned by SivHD. That’s crazy he’s come a long way

[@fddsffdssdfdsfsdf4490]

55:50 WOMAN THE REAL PROPHET BLOOD

[@thelongstory6395]

54:40 - LS Predicts TSM 0-6

[@William7563-n4d]

Thx

[@unipapel]

I really appreciate this content. My english is not good enough to express it with words. Thanks and keep doing this incredible work

[@codycarroll5866]

One of psg talons subs was the coach for machi esports I don't think he can realistically sub for psg.

[@Will12000]

Dom and LS only think Kongyue and Uniboy are good. Not Dee

[@KIooS01]

What's the different between this, and the Crack Down Podcast? I'm just curious, because the topics are pretty similar.

[@LaidBackUserr]

It seems like Crackdown is more EU centered? It’s also Dom/Thorin and a guest where Face Check is the same three. Same topics but different viewpoints.

[@BExAxKING]

One has LS and Dgon and is pretty entertaining and the other one has thorin and guests and is either really interesting or somewhat annoying based on whether or not thorin spends the whole podcast interrupting the guest and making their points for them

[@brianjeremypaduyao8941]

One is watchable and the other is unbearable to watch. I'll let you guess which one is which.

[@nenfir]

Crackdown is a show where Dom invites guests and talks about them and league with Thorin. Facecheck is a show focused on the NA LCS. Right now they seem similar because regular season is over, so only relevant topic is worlds, so they talk about it on both shows.

[@EchoesOfTheWeary]

@@BExAxKING lmfaoooo worst part is the guest hardly ever speaks because of Thorin :c

[@SushiSamuraiXDDD]

Rip na, the other teams so so much better. Really feel like our teams are just playin scared again. Feels bad

[@pelataan69]

LCS teams are just playing slow and get punished

[@AlejandroGonzalez-ft4si]

Aaponton there’s a reason chat spams NA macro every game as we make some bad decision and get badly punished for it

[@pelataan69]

@@AlejandroGonzalez-ft4si yea they just play the same way every game and they focus on things that don't matter like LS has said on stream that from watching NA team realityshows(TSM legends) they literally review drake fights like wtf is the point? Teams should review choices not fights as a whole

[@filippoye609]

Not really playing scared. For some reason they seem to prioritize drafting comfort and play their suboptimal way rather than actually draft according to meta and enemy champion pool. TSM tried their 3 losing lanes and a zilean comp and got railed hard early game as expected. TL still with their champion puddle and broxah afkfarming his way to defeat. Fly drafs pretty balanced with always good scaling but the team diff in their group is massive Tldr they're just getting exposed for playing in a way that should not work but works in LCS cause everyone is just worse than our top 3 teams

[@AggTheMag]

actually this is one of the few worlds where NA teams are not playing scared. They are just completely outclassed

[@sushems2151]

tbh im a huge tsm fanboy but not gonna lie they still last in my pickems and totally agree with LS. always will be a fanboy for tsm but at least i know they will nvr make it out of groups again lol

[@lightningjuniorsuper]

still wouldn’t count them out this year yet Wait till they’ve gotten tht 5th loss

[@sushems2151]

i mean there's always light at the end the tunnel if you look at it like that lol

[@kingblood7199]

@@lightningjuniorsuper They finished 3-3 twice and didn't make it out of groups.

[@anthonydominguez4744]

lightningjuniorsuper 5th loss ? Buddy they only play 6 games in groups lmao they’re most likely out if they lose one more game

[@FallenTitan]

New Zealand is Oce too don’t be sleeping on us, every loss due to ego, hardstuck plat hmu

[@adrienboustie8793]

Great work as always. As for probabilities, every one like numbers. But I think it's okay to keep the abstract on what probabilities are. And rather focus on how they translate to your topic : What you are considering as variable to model your problem. Why such numbers ? Emotion, meta, patch, matchup ... Which are specific elements talked about in previous show. Such a segment is not necessary, but more relevant than trying to explain something you don't fully appreciate. And increase legitimity of the flaming aspect.

[@karielok]

LS: TOLD YA

[@EchoesOfTheWeary]

I love the voice Dgon makes at 1:16:53 to me it sounds like the same voice the community makes when they believe TSM can actually do good in worlds

[@jameswebster3842]

Seeing Dom pronounce the cities correctly gave me so much joy for no reason. Finally, someone gets it right!

[@reuzut2357]

Shouldn’t The NaLCS just become NSC America’s Super League. Where all players that are from a country in the Americas be allow to play in without counting as an import.

[@PvtNappster]

And kill the other leagues?

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Imagine thinking republicans would be okay with letting pro-teams import Brazilian players. Great meme.

[@larryjordan1753]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 The republicans I know would be ok with it. They just hate people sneaking in illegally muh dude.

[@wyatt5167]

Ivan well no. Those teams could just be like the eu national teams. Honestly that system would be better for the entire continent. Gives players in minor league regions a way better opportunity to compete at worlds/showcase regional talent and ofc, make money. It frees them from being trapped in a low performing region just because of their place of birth. It also strengthens NA as a major region.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@larryjordan1753 And it seems to have already erased my reply. Tldr: Not only has trump called Mexicans, Haitians, and South American countries terrible things, but the Republican party has been destabilizing them and increasing funding for literal concentration camps kidnapping people coming from said countries before they can declare asylum. And I live in a border state, the conservatives/republicans here are really racist. Their isn't a good excuse to want to build a wall or limit immigration the way they do even according to basic economics, yet they still don't want non-European people coming to the u.s.

[@maxwarp]

I miss you guys roasting loco. It made it fun

[@michaelmezs6117]

I agree with Dgon regarding the Talon situation. Can you imagine if an NFL team used another NFL team’s QB in the playoffs? No, it wouldn’t happen. You gotta find someone in your org with no ties to other teams.

[@Sup4ast4r]

Great content as always

[@Rayon811]

They can go 2-4 or 1-5. 1st seed going 0-6 would be UNREAL lmao

[@xendranara7121]

Top tier analysis

[@Erisno1]

but it's TSM tho. Anything's possible

[@Gabriel64468]

Actually look at what is happening rather than the number next to TSM. They are already 0-2, do you really think they can go 2-2 against GenG, FNC, LGDx2? Personal response: Sure they CAN, but given what ee have seen this far they are definitely not favoured.

[@Rayon811]

@@Gabriel64468 Screen shot this: There is no way TSM will go 0-6 with how violatile LGD and FNC are.

[@OAKE178]

It's NA first seed so wouldn't be unreal

[@davinshengali3869]

Dom's comments on oce are actually hella accurate

[@StrangelyIronic]

First off, my experience with players from Brazil in WoW and other games are that if you get a group of them whatever you're doing is going to be a nightmare of hand holding and praying because they're so bad. Obviously that's a harsh generalization and obviously not all are bad but I never had a good experience after MANY chances over the years. The game itself doesn't promote demonstrating the best teams overall in a tournament because the games last so damn long. That was one of the few things HotS had over League/Dota by a long shot was everything was best of 3 or 5 because games were only like 15-20 minutes and those were long games (I remember seeing 12 minute games that were competitive or even upsets). You could knock out a best of 3 by the time League finished a single long game (purely game time, obviously drafts and stuff would make it different length). Japan for fighting games for the longest time was single elimination compared to the double that the US used but instead of best of 3 (Street Fighter for example with each game being first to 2 and not 3 like Tekken and others) they would do best of 10's or even first to 10's. Different people thrive in both situations, people more calculated with setups do better in short sets because it doesn't give the other player time to learn their patterns where as a player with strong mental and fundamentals can turn games around in long sets by learning and adapting to those patterns.

[@zunk22]

Dgon put two NA teams to make it out of the groups, what an absolute legend. Unironically, region needs more loyalty like this

[@mistrevia]

The moment Fanatic was their draw in the group, was pretty sure TSM isnt gonna get out. Fanatic does miracles in group stage as shown in past worlds.

[@camiii5640]

Classic NA

[@void56208]

I think shadow has a great Future playing jungle on team liquid, he's got a great lee sin and a worlds appearance xD

[@kingl4d602]

Let's all agree to just let DGons be FlyGons.

[@jean-fabricejulie7808]

You underestimate the power of deep learning. If sufficient detail is put into the information capture, it can prolly get over that 90% rate.

[@ThePikey94]

Kind of a shame to be honest. PSG subs should have just continued, with their main roster I don't think they'd have gotten out of play-ins.

[@Cashmoneez]

when do they stream face check?

[@luigymanalac287]

Ls predicted so much. PSG > RGE, and TSM 0-6

[@MeNourovic]

Let's go !! Face check ✔️✔️✔️✔️

[@chrishaugh1655]

48:20 that ages REALLY well LS. TL Can't even beat Machi, that group is doomed.

[@Domgii]

1:19:00 KEKW

[@years-ti7xl]

LS predicted the future.

[@vermilonR]

Dom's old mic sounded way cleaner

[@BigBigBigJeff]

Tommy WidePeepoHappy 👉⭐

[@hobmaniac]

Tommy WidePeepoHappy 👉⭐

[@toadftw23]

Could you imagine if TL had Broxah and Impact get Covid and they just replace them with Ssumday and Blaber? That’s basically what PSG did

[@el-db6ds]

15 ping is a dream I feel like everyone outside of Sydney gets 30 at best tbh.

[@atlasflame5815]

The seeding system is just broken lol. In pool 1 there's DWG, there's TES, there's G2 and then... TSM

[@StrongKickMan]

He was right with the 0-6

[@ROSPoetry1]

So with Flyquest winning their match today, I can say with confidence that I think it’s not out of the realm of possibility that TSM and TL can do the same. Get some wins, force tiebreakers. And pray to the league gods they actually win those tiebreakers. I’m still hopeful

[@2thirds]

But they'd need to tie for 2nd not third

[@patryktomczyk822]

But FLY just beat UOL. Do not compare this to DRX, TES, G2, Suning, Fnatic, Gen.G or LGD.

[@nagato2k633]

TSM cannot win against either GEN.G or FNATIC, so its pretty damn doomed, its not even remotely possible for them to get second place to advance from groups, they inted the second game with their draft in an already bad situation where any lost game can be the final nail in the coffin.

[@hobmaniac]

NAmen

[@ChoppersRevenge]

Yo Dom, maybe you should consider recording Facecheck separately instead of uploading the VOD to avoid the connection issues.

[@Dfelder261]

This aged well

[@snuffsonic23]

why did they spend like 10 minutes on researching irrelevant oce players ranks lmao

[@tediyoo]

grooming material research

[@jroe1932]

1min in - is the funniest thing he said ever in his life

[@ovs4744]

Fucking azael was already ranting on twitter after TL got out of playins how NA got unnecessary hate xD

[@LAK253]

Bruno play in are over

[@disobey8828]

NA Wild Card region 100% confirmed.

[@toojokes8349]

Dungeon Fighter PogChamp

[@voltz8945]

You love to hear it

[@ChrisfromDevelopment]

Midbeast IS the OCE goat lol no joke. Dope ambassador for the LPP for the region.

[@LodgicalThoughts]

no kappa he actually was :p everyone in OCE was midbeast / FBI fanboys with their acc names.

[@chowdernow]

What is the timestamp when LS said that ?

[@OwGash]

Seems he was right

[@jourdansarpy4935]

If minor region players didn’t count as imports, these minor regions could make a lot of money selling contracts to NA.

[@legaldrumprogrammer1685]

Riot pls make NA 1st Seed straight to groups, then the other two seeds will be like Raid boss on Play-ins. And give korean it’s 4th seed.

[@iamcrazypeople6961]

Straight is not riot giving. Straight is made by players and team. No effort no power How Riot gives

[@VictorPerez-sh7et]

39:22 ahh the urony

[@bjarnonegames5394]

so far LS has a good chance of being right

[@RGB_V1]

Poor DGON- for every known as Flygon

[@Bl4ckV3ins]

All the toxic TSM fans going quiet after flaming everyone who said they'd struggls at worlds

[@lightningjuniorsuper]

they kinda earned tht flame from those fans considering part of those comments are pretty exaggerated Like even here with ppl saying “yes TSM finally 0-6 is coming true” like bruh at least 4 games are left to play for each team And tbf they looked better macro wise against gen g even with all losing lanes they just gotta be put in better spots after drafting. they’ve been competitive which is a good start. Group C in my mind could be determined by the next two games 1. If Gen G and LGD win then it’s kinda of decided unless TSM or FNC somehow go 3-0 In week 2 The group will become very interesting if TSM FNC and Lgd end week 1 1-2 so by no means are any of these groups safe

[@chunkyvonthick3225]

Nah, being a long time TSM fan i knew they weren't gonna make it out of this groups stage. Maybe 2nd but unlikely.

[@gameguru42392]

NA 1-17 KEKW

[@carlosrazier433]

: (

[@AdmiralWalrus]

Meh I think TL will pick up at least one more win. But 2-16 or 3-15 is still pretty KEKW

[@matadventures3520]

Wait they are ? Really ?

[@iamcrazypeople6961]

TL beat G2

[@carlosrazier433]

@@iamcrazypeople6961 Pog

[@Jyukenmaster95]

I know he won't see this comment but I really love DGon's redditor voice. It's so spot-on.

[@zym6687]

1:25:30 OH BABY DO WE

[@jbennett8660]

Dom isn't being a bigot. I'm from Tasmania and everyone in my family has at least three heads.

[@vascopinzon8717]

If TSM goes 0-6 BB needs to get fucking kicked

[@ornnenjoyer8211]

Played with Shern multiple times, he is nothing like darroch. Making that comparison is damaging for his career.

[@1MoreStep1]

It is done.

[@TheUnknownMEME2258]

So many NA fans do not understand that some of the most critical, mad, accurate sports fans are fans of their own team like 1/3 of nfl teams fans rage on there Teams decisions. It is normal to flame your favorite team I love cloud9 but the screwed the drafts and other countless things. Until the region can back up the smack talk of course they are gonna be memed by the analyst and better regions.

[@Zorooooooooooooooooooooooooooo]

11:35 NA Production gap I guess

[@Commando415392]

Loco would still be believing in a tsmwn

[@Winnie-ig2dt]

Who is the guy with the green screen. He ain't doing so hot with those predictions.

[@Shingeki__]

Dude Idk what happened to my picks. Most of mine were right but for some reason it locked in TSM 1st in that group??? Like I'm a TSM fan and all but hellll no lmao. I did realistically have them as 3rd and maybe going to a Tiebreaker with FNC but THAT"S NOT HAPPENING LOLOLOL xD

[@iSlashhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

Damn I wanted us to go 0-18 so we could say we at least accomplished something cool