Fact-Checking Tesla: Does Cybercab Have 60% Fewer Parts Than Model 3?

Sandy and Carl discuss Tesla's claim in a recent video that the Cybercab will be a dramatic reduction in coomponents compared to the Model 3.
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#tesla

[@Supersprint27]

I have a 2024 Model 3 Performance. I’ve been a petrol head all my life and participate in club level Motorsport. After test driving the Tesla and getting back into my combustible vehicle, it was an instant realisation that all the complexity of engines, gearboxes was no longer necessary. Before my Tesla arrived I checked out all of the after market screens, buttons and switches, indicator stalks etc. I decided not to buy any until I’d had time to get used to the Tesla, and would get these things if I really needed them. To cut a long story short, I don’t need any of these things, I don’t miss anything. I love the simplicity, the quiet, the smoothness and the instant acceleration. It’s very capable on track too and does not disappoint. It’s amazing how quickly you adapt to something new. When I get into a car with stalks, I find myself trying to press the buttons on the wheel! I love Sandy and his team, no BS, just facts. I learn something from every episode. And if you think age has anything to do with embracing change and trying new technology, I’ve been here for 62 years.

[@chiplangowski3298]

I did the same thing when I bought my Model Y. I researched available gadgets that I could add to the car. I thought for sure that I would need an add-on cluster in front of the steering wheel, the add-on buttons for common functions, etc. In the end, the only things that I have added are a sun shade for the roof and all-weather floor mats. Nothing else was needed.

[@Excelcior58]

Well said. Electric is so fun.

[@RichardWarner-df7dz]

Yeah they are cool. I rented a model 3 for 2. Moths and will buy a model Y performance soon. However, I have lots of ice sport cars. I might sell a few. But I’ll keep a few. Totally different experience. Cheers.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

nonsense!!!!! ICE built this world! ICE, made global trade a thing, ICE, built roads, made agriculture, shipping, aviation...... the useless EVs people are just here for the 0-60 totally lame!

[@carholic-sz3qv]

there are litteraly decades 40 years+ old ICE all around the world from africa to south america to the middle east..... still in use in the harschest environments to actually build the community and participate to the economy while evs are busy doing 0-60.

[@thomasm964]

Sandy and Carl are the best we all want to see more of them!

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

Meh. I can do without Carl.

[@ralanham76]

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 yes he’s very critical, but still good info, I ignore his tone.

[@SalThomas]

Yess!!

[@yourcrazybear]

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 "Meh. I can do without Carl." Why? He is highly skilled and quite articulate.

[@photobobo]

I can see another issue looming large. With autonomous vehicles: no more speeding tickets, no more DUI citations, no more parking tickets, a big loss of jobs for traffic enforcement. A big loss of revenue for municipalities. I can't wait!

[@DavidHalko]

No longer a need to stay sober… a generation of completely wasted people

[@LVCMS]

Yup, no more car insurance, no more car loans; going to be pretty epic.

[@DavidHalko]

@ - someone is always going to have to pay car insurance… if you are paying for a ride, you are paying car insurance. If you are not speeding, you are going to lose some time in travel, so you can resolve speeding tickets today using cruise control with this caveat. Municipalities don’t hire enforcement to make a profit, they would be fired tomorrow if people would just do the right thing.

[@Glenhh]

@@DavidHalkoAs your founding fathers intended! 😅

[@raybod1775]

Yes, many of us will be paying these car costs per ride, which will be dramatically cheaper than having our own vehicle.

[@jackwilliamburgess]

Sandy looking like an older Wolverine. Rocking the white beard

[@donweatherly591]

More like Willie Nelson!!!!

[@ScottKirkwood]

Or Santa!

[@Trezker]

Oh, it's the beard... I couldn't figure out why he looked so different.

[@markmeachen6927]

A much more balanced look. 🎉

[@mikedx2706]

Sandy just needs a red suit so he can play Santa Claus at the Mall this year, plus a pillow to fill out his belly.

[@greenmoxy]

I built a manufacturing business and understand Munro when he talks about the little things often overlooked. I'm retired now and miss designing building the custom machines we used for manufacturing my products.

[@Poxenium]

OMG it's Sandy Claws! *claws back unnecessary gifts to reduce cost, increase efficiency and happiness

[@gdok6088]

Less razor blades. The best part is no part - so where's Elon's beard!

[@ralanham76]

❤ fun pun

[@sparksmcgee6641]

Come on Elon make it happen. Sandy Claus at this years Christmas party.

[@SalThomas]

We need more of Carl! I like the way he turns the topics into stories.

[@GG-si7fw]

I liked the way he framed of it might fit me doesn't mean it won't work somebody else.

[@dclpgh]

It HAS cup holders!.

[@erwinfischer]

Yeah between the seats its level so you can slide over it when getting in or out.

[@t3hpwninat0r]

Two of them! The perfect ratio of cup holders to seats.

[@GabeJE]

Yep just slick and low profile. They could even use their cabin camera to detect drinks and remind riders to not leave them.

[@worldpeace9566]

​@@erwinfischerwhat's better cup holders or three front seats like in back row of your car.

[@matthewbrown435]

I'm surprised they put any cup holders in as it's somewhere for dust and dirt to accumulate and the any reason you need cupholders is to free your hands up to drive but if you're not driving you can just hold on to your water bottle or coffee cup and in fact cup holders just encourage people to leave stuff behind so they are not a good thing to put into an autonomous taxi

[@barrykochverts4149]

I am in my mid-70's. I love driving. But I'm gonna age out. I've never taken an Uber ride, and, if I thought about it, part of the reason is that the car and its driver are wild cards. If a cyber cab is statistically safer and subjectively less annoying, that will be a huge plus. The idea that I won't have to rely on myself in my 90's, but still have autonomy instead of being stuck inside, twiddling my thumbs, is a pretty attractive idea.

[@WiseWik]

@@barrykochverts4149 what a load of rubbish

[@st-ex8506]

@@WiseWik Quite at the contrary! I am in my mid-sixties, and still enjoy driving very much (although not on highways!). But I can see the time I will not be able to drive long distances anymore. I shall enjoy immensely a self-driving car! Also, it happens that two of my four adult sons are severely visually handicapped. They'll never drive, can't even ride safely a bicycle! They can't wait for autonomous cars and/or robotaxis to give them a level of autonomy they don't enjoy!

[@WWPlaysHoldem]

@@barrykochverts4149 I can wait for cyber cab, at age 78, my cost of transportation will go down. My vehicle depreciates at about $350 a month, the insurance is $150 and the fuel is $50. I mostly get my groceries delivered, Amazon takes care of other necessities so I only need to leave my home for medical care, restaurants and recreation all close by.

[@tubester4567]

Its true, self driving cars will give many people autonomy, old people, disabled people. BUT for me driving yourself around is one of life's pleasures. I would much rather control the vehicle not only for the fun of driving but none of the self driving systems are safe or reliable yet. You can also kiss your privacy good bye, and your car will snitch on you for any number of things and recording everything you do.. Theres definitely a market for autonomous vehicles but for me it will be a sad day when the driving experience is taken away from us.

[@st-ex8506]

@ while I LOVE driving on my native Swiss mountain roads, highway driving is utterly boring, and city driving stressful. I’ll love being able to do other things, then, while the car drives itself! We are almost there with Tesla’s FSD… only months away!

[@hippie-io7225]

50 years ago, as a young college grad, I decided to develop my own products rather than work in a big "machine" and only be able to do "one thing". For my personality, that worked out quite well. Even after retirement I am still developing new engineering processes. The latest has been another approach to making prosthetics.

[@TheRightWay11]

pls do tell us more

[@hippie-io7225]

@@TheRightWay11 Part 1:The scanner used is Revopoint Miraco.. We built a rotating scanner mount using square steel tubing. This allowed us to mount the scanner and use a gearmotor, dc power supply and a cheap PWM module from Amazon. We were able to complete the scan in one rotation using "FAR" mode. (15.5 inches from center) The file was then downloaded to Revopoint "Revoscan" (free) software. The point cloud was processed from the selections located across the upper part of the PC screen. Going left to right with the options gave us a clean "mesh" model. The model was then exported as a ".STL" file to a folder. It's a mesh representation of the point cloud (which is what we called it) Part two: The mesh "cloud" was imported into the (free) MeshMixer software. Several "save as" functions created separate files for the a. point cloud b. the 1:1 model of the leg and c. the model for the socket. Having a copy of the point cloud allows for recovery from the inevitable mistakes. Like most CAD software, MeshMixer is very confusing to use...... until it's not. it turned out to be quite simple to create a 1:1 3D printable model of the leg; and also a Socket that could be used for carbon fiber layup. Part 3: A Bambu Labs X1 carbon was used to print both 1:1 leg and the socket. There is a new 3D print filament called "Tullemer" that is very strong. We have not used that yet, but we downloaded the 3D printer settings for it and used those settings to print in regular PLA. The socket we printed was not "final" in that we use it only to test for 'fitment' of the socket, to the leg. The 1:1 leg is being used for carbon fiber layup after confirmation of fitment. Once we have verified the process, we will make it open source to the public on my YT channel. Developing this process took us about 10 weeks.

[@LeicaM11]

What had been your revolution?

[@hippie-io7225]

@@LeicaM11 Not quite sure what you are asking... do you mean where did this idea come from? My friend of over 40 years and veteran of US Army had his second amputation below the knee. The thought of another prosthetic, designed using conventional plaster of paris technology was severely depressing to him. The main reason: PofP tech created severely poor fitting sockets. Very painful, and caused edema and other health problems. We studied the current scanner technology and figured we could a least come up with a better fitting socket. Hope that was what you were asking.

[@jamesburleson1916]

I used to work in over the road trucking, and I did a lot of automotive parts, mostly for Stelantis, but a bit for Ford as well. The lac of innovation is starkly apparent in the way they ship stuff around. The best example is the time I picked up a trailer in Detroit to take to Dallas, and the weight of the stuff in the 53 foot semi trailer was 96 pounds. I don't know how much it cost them to ship that 96lb load a thousand miles, but it wasn't cheap.

[@KiwiLido]

I enjoy the ramble from you and your engineers!

[@RichardMillet-RM]

Pure speculation on a non-existent vehicle 😂. But I guess it keeps Sandy in good terms with Elmo.

[@paulswanenburg7445]

I thought that they had a model of that cyber cab in their studio, but no, just bla bla bla, Nothing serious !

[@karoz2861]

Right, that part was amusing to me lol The cyber truck was announced November 19 while the first one was delivered November 23. They should wait and see before dropping to their knees in front of elon

[@ouethojlkjn]

Fascinating insights from Sandy and his colleague - the stand out one for me is Sandy saying "kids are interested in their smart phones not cars". Or as I would put it, The young cannot be denied THEIR future just because the old wish to cling onto THEIR past.

[@Akya2120]

I mean, to some extent I feel like they've been denied their future because they've been trapped in their cellphones. I grew up before phones and had them in my late teens and I think a lot has been lost for folks who grew up with a phone... I feel like folks would be much happier with a flip phone until their 18. Might not feel that way, but I think they'd learn to actually connect with people better.

[@ouethojlkjn]

@@Akya2120 They connect just fine, only it is during online games and social media. At least they don't have to go through the ordeal of getting dressed up for a disco where you were never going to dance anyway, and too shy to talk to anyone. It is exactly the same only different.

[@Akya2120]

​@@ouethojlkjn never went to the disco, and never had to dress up to go out. I do think it's nice to look nice though. I rarely dress well because I'm usually working on something, be it a car, a house, or some other project that might ruin clothes. But I digress, I don't think connecting with people through social media is a net positive on people's personality. I do get that this is where we're going, I just don't think it's actually good for people. Nothing I can do to change that though. I do know meeting people and talking to them feels a lot more real and rewarding than chatting with people over coms in a game, or texting being a screen. I'll take less connections and more genuine interaction over millions of clicks. Do you think it's a force of good that everyone is dissociating physically while interacting digitally? I of course think there's a balance, and it's certainly difficult to determine where the live is crossed.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

yeah become dumber and dumber instead of actually taking responsabilities and doing things like real people! kids on smartphones thats why our future is sooo sad!

[@ouethojlkjn]

@@carholic-sz3qv True, but it is not only kids. How many people sit and watch TV all night, apart from taking time out to complain about how much they hate their job? And smartphones are certainly not only the domain of kids - have you ever been on the London Underground?!

[@NinetyTres]

Friend just turned over 130kmi on his 19"M3P, crazy efficient daily driver replaced 1 12v battery, and many tires, that's it for the most part

[@kungfoochicken08]

They’re wonderful cars. I think the maintenance issue is a bit of a wash though. Instead of replacing timing belts or water pumps or PCV valves, you just wake up one day and need a $14k battery because a single cell went out. Over the life of the car, the maintenance costs are probably a wash. I love my Model 3. I just make sure I have enough in a high yield savings account for the eventual battery or motor replacement. Whether it’ll actually need it or not is a toss up. I see a lot of Model 3s with 250k+ miles that haven’t had any issues.

[@rhinous1199]

The comparison isn’t even close on maintenance. No contest. New battery packs aren’t 14k. They are currently about 8k for your car. And they are on track to be under 4k in two more years. Recurrent just did a huge breakdown on all of this. That’s taking into account that you will have to drive your Tesla about 500k miles before you even hit 70% max battery capacity. Will you still have the same car by then? Unlikely. If so, a new battery pack will be cheaper than a new engine and 10 years of maintenance on an equivalent ICE vehicle. The costs aren’t even close to a “wash”. It’s a landslide. Sorry. Just tired of this myth being perpetuated. Brake replacements, oil changes, fluid flushes will put you in the 8-12k price range at 500k miles. Thats just maintenance. Now add any major drivetrain repairs that will likely occur with that mileage. Checkout the article on Recurrents research on battery packs.

[@kungfoochicken08]

@ I have a 55kWh pack in my SR+. I’ve only ever seen quotes for 14k to have it replaced by Tesla. It’s usually just a single cell or two that goes bad and causes the BMS to nuke the pack. Where can I get it replaced for 8k? I’m not being a smart ass or anything. I’m actually happy to hear they’re cheaper than I anticipated.

[@waynerussell6401]

@@kungfoochicken08 Consumer Reports have the numbers. Tesla is the cheapest at ~$4000 over 10 years. Recurrent's graph on pack replacements cannot show Tesla, the data point is so small its invisible. Warranty covers the bulk, insurance with those probabilities is very cheap for the rest. Motor and invertor and gearing for the CyberCab and Q is $1000.

[@walidoutaleb7121]

@@kungfoochicken08 people are still talking about replacing batteries? tesla released their battery data on the model 3 and y after 200k miles the average battery was at 85% capacity. there is basically no problem until the capacity is at 70%. it seem kinda weird to complain about a possible battery change at 400-500k miles. and the motors are rated for 1 million miles. the only reason early tesla motors failed is because of a design flaw (which was only on the model s for like 2 years). overall as you put more mileage teslas become increasingly cheaper to maintain until about 500k miles (this is just an estimate because ive seen plenty of model3/y taxis with 400k miles that supercharge all day long and charge near 100% everyday and their battery seemed fined but near that 70% barrier where risk of failure increase a lot)

[@mrricky3816]

Thanks!

[@MunroLive]

Thanks!

[@davidlemieux615]

Uhhhh…. First mistake “no rear seat”… NO… actually no FRONT seat. Front seats are far more complex. In fact , these are simplified rear seats as, unlike most cars, these seats do not fold…. In any direction.

[@635574]

Technically true but for safety reasons position has to be adjustible. Confirmed by FutureAza who talked to the engineers.

[@mikedx2706]

@@635574 Why? If there is no steering wheel and no pedals, the seat does not appear to have to be adjustable.

[@waynerussell6401]

@@mikedx2706 Airbags.

[@635574]

@@mikedx2706 airbag safety is why positioning matters.

[@ronaldlenz5745]

@@mikedx2706 NHTSA

[@hengloose]

"Competition is coming" lol

[@JohnBBuck]

and going, going, gone.

[@lemongavine]

Been hearing that for many years

[@JohnBBuck]

​@@lemongavinedon't forget, Mary's leading...

[@MikaPopp]

Waymo is already operating real autonomous vehicles for some time. Tesla has a concept of a plan.

[@JohnBBuck]

​@@MikaPoppin very limited geo fenced areas, they've had numerous incidents. The funniest one was a vehicle stuck going round and around a traffic circle.

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

I can’t wait until I can fall asleep in one city and wake up in another. Weekend Tourism is gonna see a huge boom.

[@silentperson233]

Wow, just did a rough simulation. A 400 mile trip from Boston to DC would be 8 hours. Including a quick automated charge somewhere, that's about the time to fall asleep and wake up in another city, for maybe $160 at 40c per mile. Where did you come up with this idea? Sci-fi book?

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

@ no. I live in Austin but we like to visit New Orleans to party with friends. About 10hr. I suck at driving long distances, so my friends usually let me sleep most of the way. lol. We always leave at night and get there by morning. Having an electric car you can sleep in overnight and be comfortable in AC camping mode. People are gonna do crazy amounts of weekend trips to cities around them. It’ll be cheap compared to normal vacations.

[@AustinFerguson]

GOOOOAT - video of why your channel is important.. Good video and information - Instantly shared this to my close family and friends... They question the cost or how they manage the costs vs. others struggling to sell it at a price equal. This video demonstrates it to a T. By the way - 22:27 there is two cup holders and window switches in the center between the two seats, but that's it, and works. The remaining is on the screen or cell phone / app control.

[@rickcaddy7333]

I like how Sandy is starting to looking like Santa Munro. Happy holidays

[@JJs_playground]

The butterfly doors is not a good idea for safety reasons. In the rare chance of a rollover you can't open the door and get out, but with traditional doors you would be able to. Plus with traditional doors you can share parts with other Tesla models.

[@megapangolin1093]

Brilliant evaluation of perceived desire vs need. My Renault 4L from the 1970s had almost no parts, handles, or stuff and it was one of the most popular cars of its time. Everyone has amazing memories of owning as little as possible metal and weight and driving it. That was this car and it is a similar idea to the Cybercab.

[@danielch6662]

But did Elon previously said that folded flat pieces of stainless steel was the greatest material with which to make a car with. But now, carbon fiber is better?

[@ccpizzarotti]

Ah, the remembrances! My wife was a fan of the Renault 4, and went through six of them during her life. A perfect little car for its use case, when they stopped making them it was a sad day.

[@megapangolin1093]

@@ccpizzarotti I totally agree, it is a shame that the new R4 is a completely different incarnation of the idea.

[@SBK74]

I get so much free consultancy and insights here, thanks guys!

[@nelsondoan8271]

👍👍👍 I’m the guy they put all the cup holders in for. I grab 3 cups before I get out the door, and don’t have to pour out of a thermos while I’m driving. So two on the console and one in the door is perfect….until my wife is with me. Then we’re fighting for real estate! My drive is 180 miles one way.

[@danielch6662]

I would in fact like more cup holders in my car. Why do people think that cupholders are only for cups of drinks? I almost never have drinks in my car. I'm not living in it.

[@bjarnevarme9830]

Elon have invented a 2 door car, never seen anything like that before! 😮

[@enslavedbytruth]

A true genius

[@justcallmeappa1673]

At 3:00 you guys said the whole steering system disappears, you included the steering rack which contributed about 50% of the 700$. The steering rack is still needed on a fsd vehicle, only the paddle box and Steering wheel can be removed. Although i think FSD is still a decade away so this car will come out with driver controls anyway.

[@ronaldlenz5745]

There will be NO controls period. See Brian at futureaza. He spent a lot of time with the Tesla engineers and has pt out at least 4 videos.

[@justcallmeappa1673]

@ronaldlenz5745 even if that's the case, a steering rack is still needed. A FSD Car still needs to turn the wheels lmao

[@andriiandrii9907]

​@@justcallmeappa1673 right. they have 'cancel out' too many parts from the car, they still need some, .e.g. left/right actuators. Also one can notice, they have shown parts price for large cybertruck, not model 3, which is more identical in size

[@stefanvanzyl9090]

@@justcallmeappa1673 why would it need a steering rack? The rear wheels on the cybertruck doesn't have a steering rack and yet they're able to turn just fine

[@charlesg5085]

As an engineer who had dedicated 25 years of my life to automation and the automotive industry, I really appreciate an engineering group doing this type of work and analysis.

[@KevinBarrier]

Sure appreciate you guys!

[@MunroLive]

We appreciate you for watching!

[@billybobbob3003]

@@MunroLive i told you castings are garbage man did you read about guy broke his gigacasting riding over pothole with his cybertruck? 34,000 dollar repair bill. stamped steel is more flexable and better and its easier to repair than something brittle like a casting.

[@varietyegg]

​@@billybobbob3003they are not made for towing it seems and support heavy objects but for normal everyday use in a car it seems solid choice and I like they chose carbon fibre for the cybercab because it's more tough and flexible than the casting I guess they are going for more safety

[@billybobbob3003]

@@MunroLive original 2018 model y is stronger

[@marcusoutdoors4999]

I’m blown away by the positive culture of the Munro team. It’s incredibly difficult to create such energy and capability in Sandy’s business.

[@23billd]

It reminds me a bit of the 1960 VW Beetle. That car had no gas gauge, just a "reserve tank" lever. It also had a key locking mechanism for only the driver's door, the passenger door had to be unlocked from inside the car -- I guess Germans didn't open car doors for their wives back then! Parts that aren't there cannot break. Now that's a first principle!

[@gamernerd7139]

It was also designed with principle of frugality for the post war European economy. Ferdinand Porsche was a genius. I keep seeing the same thing happening with Tesla. Interesting times!

[@otm646]

These were not unique innovations to the VW Beetle. These were standard practices at the time. Go through any motor museum with a selection of vehicles. Pre WW2 and tell me how many door lock cylinders and how many electronic fuel senders you see.

[@edwinschaap5532]

23:21 Small cup holder, medium cup holder, large cup holder, extra large cup holder, supersize cup holder, expresso cup holder, and all per seat. 😉

[@mannygee005]

A note to the camera person - there is a thing they call "the golden ratio." It is around 1.6 to 1 or approximately 62% to 38%. It is not 50/50. They say the golden ratio is pleasing to look at. This means do not locate the person talking directly in the middle of the frame. Place the person off-center to around 38% on one side. If the person is talking or gesturing in a direction such as Munro talking to the right, place Sandy 38% to the left and leave 62% space on the right. When you do this, you are using your artistic sense and you are "using intent" to make the composition of the frame more pleasing to the viewer. Also for practical reasons we can better see when Sandy is gesturing. Also when shooting Carl, go ahead and include the cybercab on the left so the audience can look at it. Thank you. Best of luck in your artistic journey.

[@YouTube_username.]

Santa!🎄🎅

[@MunroLive]

Sandy Claus is coming to town!

[@capslock9031]

@@MunroLive He's definitely going to town with those dinosaur OEMs...

[@ralanham76]

@@MunroLive😂

[@malcym3394]

From 1973 I as employed as a work study engineer. Recording how things were done, questioning every element of every process, producing standard times for processes - sometimes at a high level, other times n extreme detail (micromotion), maybe filing the process and analysing it frame by frame. As Sandy says, if you’re in volume production, you need to minimise the time - and therefore cost - required to produce each element. The first question, of course, is "why is this task done at all"? A regular answer would be "because we've always done it that way". If it doesn't contribute , delete it. By the late 1980s, companies were continually 'restructuring' with cost-cutting across the board. No consideration of cost v benefit. Work Study was considered dispensable. They just didn't understand what they had. Gradually the west suffered from falling productivity, poor quality, reduced motivation and worsening labour relations. Industries became uncompetitive and, as we all know, were closed with the work being offshored. It's a sad story!

[@lifeaccordingtobri]

Sandy Claus is back!!!! Happy Holidays to the Munro team! Great video as always!!

[@ohmygoth5899]

Sandy absolutely nails it, I work in engineering and changes are impossible and suggestions get binned

[@williamflynn4954]

Is there any technological reason why these cybercabs can't also be used as delivery vehicles? I'm thinking things like DoorDash, WholeFoods Delivery, Pizza deliveries, etc. If so, it removes another reason to own a vehicle and god forbid, pay those outrageous car insurance rates.

[@scientificapproach6578]

Order food from Costco, the car drives through their building as robot arms pick and drop your order. Within 30 minutes you have your food at your house. No more giant parking lot needed. No more employees at the warehouse. Food that costs even less!

[@wtmayhew]

Add in an electric quadcopter to bring the delivery up to the door and it will be a go. Otherwise, people will whine that they have to put on shoes and pants to go retrieve their orders from the delivery vehicles. No sarcasm intended here.

[@scientificapproach6578]

@@wtmayhew good point but you'll need a very large drone, my and many others costco purchase, we buy in bulk. I can't imagine a 30 lbs package of beef flying over the park and absolutly crushing a little soccer kid at 30 mph.

[@wtmayhew]

@ Indeed, there are limit cases for everything. Last time I ordered something from Amazon, the confirmation e-mail noted that I might have to help the driver. … for something which weighed just a few ounces. I guess AI isn’t _that_ good yet.

[@Martinit0]

Well for efficiency they'd need several compartments to be able to do a delivery trip to more than one customer. Otherwise they'd have to return to base for each delivery, limiting the delivery throughput (how may deliveries per hour the place can make). But such a compartmentalized box could be an add-on to go into the quite spacious trunk.

[@jborcz1014]

Another well done video. Sandy your and your associates “rambling” contained more valuable information than most videos contain in their entirety. I spoke with a pigeon holed engineer as a young man interested in automotive design and engineering and he had nothing encouraging to say about the feild. That only a few privileged an well connected engineers got to do anything interesting. I think the better way to look at it is as you stated. You would never take that kind of role again. If you are interested, engaged, good at your job and WILLING TO TAKE RISKS with your career; then perhaps there are opportunities to do something truly interesting

[@zbyszanna]

Sandy looks good with the beard

[@janh-r8h]

Not really. Makes him much older.😢

[@gmv0553]

Not at all!

[@amazeddude1780]

Given Munro's expertise in creating exhaustive analyses as discussed here, it would be hugely useful to employ similar processes for analyzing environmental impacts of corporate affairs in resource extraction, manufacturing and refining.

[@ramesh_manga]

Appreciate the breakdown and your general content. Happy to go on record to say: (1) Robotaxi - not going to hit the road to Elon's timing - he has slipped previous promises. (2) if and when it hits the road, it's not going to be like that, eg will have normal doors plus emergency controls inside - brakes and perhaps steering. (3) 2 seat, 2 door - not great for a taxi - real one will be more traditional. (4) FSD, even the latest version, not upto regulatory approval. (5) released vehicle will likely come in at ~10-15% parts reductions. Accepted, I'm not a fan, but enough of an automotive engineer to recognise puff from reality.

[@danpearce5380]

2 Waymo vehicles were stuck in a Trader Joes parking lot blocking access road out. Traffic control for the business was very frustrated because you can't just ask the driver to move since there is no driver in the vehicle ! This was last week right before the New Year Holiday.

[@joemartino6976]

Jeez, why do I feel like I’m watching “Tales From the Crypt” when I see this guy?

[@Chamieiniibet]

Answering the title's question within the first 30 seconds of the video earns Munro Live even more respect than it already had.

[@DraftedByTheMan]

When I worked for Volkswagen in the 90s, the North American dealers were complaining to the German engineers that there were no cupholders. The Germans laughed at the Americans because they said “who drinks in cars?” After North American Volkswagen sales drop to all time lows, VW’s came out with a ridiculous number of cup holders.

[@tawalters35]

You guys are subtle and brilliant. I have manufactured electronics products all over the world and I can tell ya, there are not many people who understand manufacturing. The real money is in the details and you two REALLY understand the details. Please teach the rest of the world.

[@petermetro4686]

Former factory worker, who often wondered if a GPS tracker was attached to a part, (large steel components) on a pallet, what it would show for distances travelled in all 3 axis from start to finish in the factory, factor that cost !

[@lesliestuart]

Sandy is not always right but his DATA is!

[@willierants5880]

Sandy is 1000% correct on pricing steps. We dealt with this often, different industry, same problem. Sales would ask, "How much does this cost." And we could say, "$xxxx" because we were using detailed deployment plans, that quite frankly were nowhere near as detailed as what was laid out here, but absolutely necessary to understand actual costs. The response we ALWAY got back was "Oh that's way too expensive, we can't sell that, can you do better." My answer was "No, but feel free to quote what you like to the customer, this is what it costs." When companies are finding it hard to stay in the black on a project this is why.

[@mystisith3984]

Now that's valid information. I keep saying to everyone that Cybercab won't cost 30k$. Not even close. & as the man in the video says, that's without knowing the secret sauce & the few tricks. Just by analysing what we can see, we can deduce that this will be a record setter for low COGS.

[@elvinthalund5193]

Elon said $30K and that makes sense if it includes FSD, which is required to operate the car.

[@danielch6662]

COGS? Tesla is selling the Cybercab instead of running it themselves? Isn't there the rather minor problem of getting approval for it first? I doubt the regulators would be thrilled with thousands or millions of people operating their own driverless cars if the manufacturer haven't even tested it yet. We all know what happened to Cruise. And Uber pulled out a few years ago right after their car killed a pedestrian.

[@subwarpspeed]

​@@elvinthalund5193 the price of FSD is just how much earnings they want from it. Every Tesla since around AI day in 2019 comes with the same hardware (because those who got FSD before that in model 3 got an upgrade to FSD computer retroactively). So we don't know what the hardware costs. Munro probably has a good estimate. One can remember that Tesla first had Mobile Eye's solution and then started developing their own..AI 5 will be their third generation. Hardware-wise it will be very cost effective.

[@subwarpspeed]

And the cost to produce will get low. The cost for purchase will vary by demand.

[@mystisith3984]

Elon is sandbagging for multiple reasons (future licensing & copycats). In 🇪🇺 we manage to build small cars for 25K€ (with expensive energy & old assembly lines + unions). If you subtract all that, how low can he go with everything optimized? FSD & 🤖 🚖 are 2 different things. The FSD tool is almost ready & already paid for (99$/month in subscription at the moment). The ride hailing app is an unknown but it won't be billions of 💵 in capital. Otoh cost will be ventilated on millions of carsv A few cents per ride in the great scheme of things. Deflation crunch is going to happen way sooner than people expect.

[@23billd]

Carl, nice job. At about 12 minutes in, Carl describes what we used to call the "Don't get bit" list. Its purpose is to prevent errors that were discovered from previous designs. In my business, we were designing integrated circuits and the cost of an error might have been a new mask set; a huge cost. I think it must not be much fun these days designing for the big car companies.

[@steveyountz9184]

As a retried photographer I would suggest you dim the TV. A lot. Secondly, why have a car with an aerodynamic shape? Will it be going fast enough for that to be a factor? What about a shape like the Honda Jazz? Chair height seats, and doors an older and less flexible 'Carl' can easily get into? The population is aging and who wants to get down into a car?

[@Dularr]

EV range

[@megapangolin1093]

Totally with you on that, and young big folks, and there are many now, dont want/cant bend down to get in a car.

[@subwarpspeed]

I think the door will be sturdy enough that you can grab and support yourself with it. I have a fairly low 2 seater car (Volvo C30) and love the big doors that allow my big body plenty of space. And not to forget that Tesla's (except first roadster) have the battery pack under the floor so even if it looks very low they don't get around that the battery needs the live beneath it. And I believe it can be the thing that works for the majority. Model 3 and Y will also be in robotaxi fleet.

[@flinx]

That shape is strong and uses less material than something bigger and boxier. It costs less to manufacture and operate. It will suffice for most solo and two-person trips while maximizing profit. In time Tesla will provide other vehicles for other trip categories. Keep in mind rental car agencies have everything from compact cars to SUVs to trucks for rent for different needs at different prices. I doubt Tesla will have as much variety, but likely a 2-seat, a easy-entry 6 seat, the robovan, and robotruck for deliveries.

[@Martin-se3ij]

Totally agree. This isn't first principle of what a taxi should be. An old person with replacement knees and hip pushing their shopping trolley can't get in and out of this thing. Nor lift there shopping trolley in and out of the back. Even one person who's just bought a chair at Ikea can't get it home in this. You need to be able to walk into a taxi like you do a train or a bus. And doesn't a taxi need to be rugged rather than cheap? If it lasts 20 years and makes $50K a year what does it matter if it costs $30 or $60K? I think Tesla has lost its way on this thing.

[@md99208]

Thank you two for telling it like it is. Can't wait until you do the breakdown to show us even more. What do you predict might be the future of inductive charging?

[@kaleygoode1681]

Your car will be charged from the nearest Starlink satellite that charged itself from the Sun 🤔

[@mmanjin]

Totally agree with Sandy that the "next generation isn't interested in driving"... and that the cybercab (i.e. autonomous vehicles) is the perfect vehicle for the next generation. As Elon tweeted: "99% of cars will be electric and autonomous in the future. Manually-driven gasoline cars will be like riding a horse while using a flip phone. Still happens, but it’s rare." I wouldn't bet against Elon. My grandchildren will grow up in a very different world than I did. You don't have to be a visionary to see where the future of transportation is going.

[@philipparana9225]

No one is interested in driving in traffic. I love driving on track, back roads but could care less about daily driving.

[@VishnuKamath]

Loved it. The technical details in these videos provides much needed to common folks.

[@dariuspringle2608]

I don’t understand why this is complicated, two door cars are cheaper to build, duh?

[@flyshacker]

Brilliant stuff! And just imagine, if legacy companies are this resistant to change, how bad is government? Probably at least 10 times worse.

[@garyrooksby]

Experts supporting experts. Great to hear!

[@guavabakka]

Thank you, Sandy (all of Munro🙏🏾). Huge gift to the sustainability community. Carl, thank you very much. Great points.

[@Gh0stHack3r.]

There is a dual cup holder between the two seats in the robocab

[@philipmartin3075]

Great video. Thank you Sandy and Carl for imparting your vast experience. I could buy a few Cybercabs and an Optimus bot to clean them. I could get around and generate money 24/7. 80-parts total in the whole Cybercab, wow! A legacy internal combustion engine has 200-parts and a transmission has 1,000-parts.

[@dahoop5933]

Where's Sandy?! This new guy seems clever though.

[@Spooms1961]

I love this program. They are so on the ball of what it takes to build a vehicle today. Well done guys.

[@stickynorth]

100% correct about Gen Z. They are an experience-based culture. They don't care about ownership or even driving. As long as they have their vape pen and their phone? They are G2G... I'm a millennial with plenty of experience working with them. Car ownership is sooooooooo far down the list of priorities it's along with jury duty and taxes...

[@danielch6662]

Who cleans the driverless taxis between passengers? We know what's going to happen. With no driver in there, people are going to do the thing they shouldn't, and leave bodily fluids on the single seat.

[@Martinit0]

@@danielch6662 Obviously there has to be an operating arm of any robotaxi service that is going to clean the taxis regularly. Waymo has hubs/operating centers where their cars park overnight/for charging and cleaning.

[@mystisith3984]

There's a video floating around of the cleaning process with articulated robot 🦾, brushes, steamers etc. Do people really believe they didn't think of this when imagining the service?🙄

[@rubenayla]

​@@danielch6662With a passenger pointing camera, and some freelancers cleaning and taking pictures of their job, with ratings for cleanliness done by passengers, you should be good to go

[@rich1436]

@@danielch6662Optimus will clean the cars.

[@electricvehiclesug256]

Merry Christmas to munro and thanks very much for the hard work put into educating the world

[@dertythegrower]

Worked next to tesla bots for the superbeam in Michigan, for a Japanese corp aluminum company... this is gold 4:21

[@dertythegrower]

i have moved so many of those 3 cent boxes 😅 (shorts video 2023)

[@dertythegrower]

He made so many good points in this... this part also 9:25 explaining how some guys basically fabricate a lot more than car parts 😅 just like most public jobs, they purposely now make waste and overspend to keep their job looking busy, so it keeps going for next year...

[@Riverrain123]

great video

[@tonycosta3302]

I’m glad you brought up mobile phones. That is the new head unit. I laugh every time I hear an auto exec say how they will innovate in that space, as if they will ever be able to keep up with Apple and Google. The only feature that I care about is a display for my mobile phones

[@WeAreChecking]

Precisely, I will always personally prefer actual gauges and touch points/buttons but I can see the way the industry seems to be moving. Incredible to think the amount of time and money being spent by traditional OEs on their software suite (because they're chasing the $ value of data imo) when I'd really rather just have a screen for my navigation/music and an accessible CAN/Serial Port for anything more involved. Being stuck between the new and old generation means there's no way the car of my dreams ever comes out lmao.

[@davidanalyst671]

Im so glad we get a new video from Santa Munro!!!

[@GoatieDK]

BEAUTIFUL walkthrough !!!

[@MunroLive]

Thanks for watching!

[@barrellcooper6490]

"I'm the guy that handles handles." Said the guy with 20+ years of experience at the company I had just joined. And I, a new engineer, saying quietly to myself: "I never want to be that guy!" I can so related to the things Sandy is saying.

[@jamesbruce1183]

All of us will, sooner or later, not be able to drive. Losing your mobility is a big deal. So I think Tesla is really onto something here.

[@derrickstableford8152]

As someone who had to take the keys off a relative, I think you may be onto something. We do all reach a point where we shouldn’t drive. Many accidents caused by older drivers. Think of how much less stressful it will be for them.

[@HH-ph3gq]

Sandy is a treasure ❤

[@mikedx2706]

What an eye=opening video. No wonder the legacy OEMs are unable to compete with Tesla on their costs of production.

[@heint8169]

Good to see you guys again!

[@briansilver9652]

Photo of cyber cab w/o wheel covers reveals a 5 stud pattern. No single racing nut as Sandy conjectured.

[@philipparana9225]

Single racing nut woukd cost more. Sometimes I wonder if sandy has 2 brains. Tesla brain and every other manufacturer's brain.

[@davefroman4700]

For now... Lots of the folks at Tesla will see this though. And Sandy's point is valid. It is something that could happen in the future. But for now they are taking "parts off the shelf" basically. Which will reduce costs as the production scales. Making the change later once economies of scale have been achieved will help lower costs then.

[@FLPhotoCatcher]

I would not trust one big bolt.

[@mriguy3202]

A single fastener in the center requires a stronger, heavier wheel. Modern assembly tools can put on 5 lug nuts all at the same time in seconds, all torqued perfectly. The Tesla, because it's relatively heavy and can put loads of torque to the ground, is more demanding of wheels than a typical ICE car.

[@TheKevlar]

CLARITY of mindest! The debate format for design mindset is highly effective. However, nowhere in the design discussion was there a mention of handles for the elderly's accessibility; this blinds engineers to ageing demographics, which is an enormous opportunity for OEMs focused on autonomous vehicles...

[@caladanian]

ELEVEN?!! Hahaha. Cup holder obsession unlocked. 😂 the 2 in the cyber cab are just fine though.

[@Rdist-z8v]

Love Munro live vids first of all, but I do have a question . As an engineer in both installation and maintenance of mechanical systems I just wonder about making so much of a vehicle monolithic if you will. I get the streamlining of production aspect but what happens when something breaks? Being able to remove a broken panel or component via screws or cutting adhesive to replace with off the shelf part has to be considered no? If not the lower upfront cost is offset by more expensive repairs and insurance.

[@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190]

A simple example that sets Tesla apart from other car manufacturers is that when ordering a new car, it takes a minute to order it because you are essentially just choosing the color of the car and the seats, whereas for other manufacturers, like Porsche, there are so many options to choose from, that you can spend anywhere from an hour to a day just to order a new vehicle.

[@mememaster147]

You're comparing a volume car to a prestige car where infinite customisation is one of the selling points. Volume manufacturers (e.g. any Stellantis brand) offer a similarly simple ordering process, you just get slightly more options than a Tesla.

[@jonahhekmatyar]

Look at all the options for an F-150, the most "volume" car sold in the US. He's not wrong, you really don't need 50 options to satisfy +90% of the market

[@danielch6662]

@@jonahhekmatyar I only chose the model and the colour. There were no options for different coloured seats. They were black. There were no options for anything. The colour of the car wasn't really an option. There were 3 colours. They left the factory like that. The salesman offered to tint the window, but this was not something the dealership did. It was offsite, at "his friend's place". He was probably earning a commission on the side from his "friend". This was Honda.

[@wtmayhew]

One thing I didn’t like was Tesla obfuscating the actual cost by applying anticipated savings. I noticed that Tesla was backed off from that practice somewhat on the most recent iterations of their web site. It is nice to have a streamlined process with not an overwhelming number options to slog through. Some options are kind of goofy like the tent option for the Cybertruck, but not to be outdone Rivian has a tent option for the R1T as well.

[@Hmbay726]

Number of parts don’t matter if FSD won’t work in the rain, fog or snow (or the cameras get covered in mud or salt spray [see recent DirtyTesla]). What happens when the car stops dead because visual conditions don’t allow it move - tow truck?

[@alantierney1]

You have it down to 3 parts for the body yes it cost less for the build. But for the consumer it goes just backwards you damage one part of the 3 the item is totaled. Think of the buyer for once.

[@kaleygoode1681]

I thought that too, so before I bought mine I checked out a few Tesla body repair channels here and the detail Tesla supply the repairers is incredible: every point and damage type has a procedure and accurate specifications of the area that gets replaced. It was encouraging enough to get me to take the plunge.

[@bjm23vancity92]

Doubters and haters are not willing to open their ears to hear the truth and accept it. Sandy speaks with facts and facts dont lie. Love you Sandy and team 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@gsabic]

WOW only 2 doors, so much savings!

[@MrBeddis]

Unique insights from these two. Would love to see more like this

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

Fan boy Sandy.

[@victoryleadership1]

Cupholders are not just for cups (accessories). Eliminating parts is fine if the main component is economically serviceable (corrosion, accident, etc.). Innovation is designers knowing when to ask, who to ask, and if it should be asked in the first place.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

👋 THANKS SANDY,CARL AND THE MUNRO TEAM FOR THE EDUCATION 🧐 THE “ REAL TRUTH “😎💚💚💚

[@neilmckechnie6638]

Carbon-Fibre tubs and panels and EV's is a match made in Heaven.

[@TeslaBethy]

I credit Sandy and his crew with my deeply held conviction in Elons methodology. The proof is in the pudding so to say. Tesla is an innovating machine! Thank you Munro and Associates!

[@stephensimpson5283]

You Sir, can ramble all you like! I'm riveted, well, glued 😄

[@jundergaming]

I thought they said the carbon fiber was only temporary?

[@megapangolin1093]

It is going to take thousands of years for carbon fibre to break down in the environment.

[@jundergaming]

@ only temporary for being used for the pre-production Cybercabs I.e. not final material could be plastic or aluminum

[@rustlesee]

Tesla, the brand with the most accidents out of all others.. shouldn’t be increasing their footprint. They should be working on increasing safety.

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

That will be toning the acceleration down then to solve that. But the robotaxi will get rid of that problem also.

[@marlasota]

This Tesla design goes against everything that users want. It is a disposable crappy gadget that cannot be repaired. It should never be allowed on the road as it is a heap of single use electric waste. Any modern car should be easy to disassemble and repair.

[@youtuberpov]

I like this format for such topic. 😊❤

[@audiostanton]

Sandy I want the Robotaxi to have a OEM fly by wire Steering wheel and pedal add on kit, tell Elon, it would be Easy $3k fly by wire steering wheel and bolt on pedal option, you know how easy this would be, I like driving too much to always have my car doing the driving. Yes I use FSD 12.2 love it but love the steering wheel more and im not the only one.

[@jgarbo3541]

Love Sandy: "I want to go to the party, come home from the party - and not get arrested." Exactly!

[@rtfj5341]

Mr. Munro looking fly today

[@edwardhackett-jones8126]

Thanks Sandy, Carl and team!

[@GALEPalma-k9y]

I love how you broke down the XAI951x project in your video! Can’t wait to see it skyrocket!

[@mikewurlitzer5217]

Where do people like you scam artists come from? How telling KZbin does not block you but will shadow ban people who tell the truth.