Fake Qur'an! Uthman’s 6 Hopeless Manuscripts - Sources of Islam with Dr. Jay - Episode 30

When Uthman burned several variations of the Qu’ran, he is told to have written 6 copies of the “correct” Qur'an. He sent 5 of these out to the major cities of the region so Muslims could be sure to be reading and following the same script. These manuscripts are said to originate in the 7th century, but Al Fadi and Dr. Jay reveal evidence suggesting that none of these manuscripts match that dating. Watch as they review each of the existing manuscripts and discover how little they have in common giving Islam very little to stand on.
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[@api645]

This channel is a GOLDMINE!!!!!!

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Goldmine which cannot ransom you in the Hereafter.

[@AylinAylin-tq3uw]

A goldmine of TRASH !!!!!!!!!

[@AylinAylin-tq3uw]

A goldmine of TRASH !!!!!!!!!

[@AylinAylin-tq3uw]

A goldmine of TRASH !!!!!!!!!! Seems' good. Leads to nowhere !!!!!!!!!

[@wahlao81]

No one can change the words of Allah but ironically Muslims are the ones doing it...

[@sultanahamed2484]

And deleting

[@sultanahamed2484]

No editions of quoran and not being updated even today by adding

[@wahlao81]

@sultan ahamed translators are adding words into brackets see for example surah 4:171 [uncreated] is not in the Arabic script

[@sultanahamed2484]

@@wahlao81 translation and interpretation r being done by humans wthey write what ever they think correct without proper understanding

[@wahlao81]

@sultan ahamed for surah 4:171 it's according to tafsir but anyway bottomline Muslims don't even respect Allah and His word

[@ethercruiser1537]

Devastating information on the 6 early Quran manuscripts: 1. None from the 7th Century 2. None are complete 3. None completely agree with each other 4. None completely agree with current 1924 Hafs text 5. All have 100s or 1000s of manuscript variants So none of these are the original Quran! Where’s the original?? Excellent video 👍👍💯

[@michaelalan5520]

Salam Sir, I am here not for debate, just clarifying some Issues. Anybody can produce video about anything, say anything and I respect their freedom of speech but facts are different. Quran manuscripts from 7th century -- - # Topkapi Museum, Istanbul, Turkey. #Tashkent, Uzbekistan #Birmingham university UK manuscript ( though one Page, but carbon dated,found to be from Prophet's time. # Sana manuscripts -same as today's Quran. # Tubingen university, Germany, manuscript. Carbon dated -found to be from 649-675 CE (Prophet died in 632 CE). # Paris manuscript -carbon dated, from 649- 675 CE. But it contains 25% of the original Quran No difference with modern Quran except vowel marks. Sir, don't reply,am not here for debate. I respect any opinion but just clarifying the issue with references, evidence. Sir, thank You again. We 2 billion Muslims believe our modern, present Quran is authentic, true, exact Quran revealed to Prophet Mohammad. Thank You Sir, My respect Sir.

[@foxwithtubesox1075]

So, what you're saying is that you don't have a complete manuscript from the 7th century that matches the current Hafs qur'an. Sounds like allah failed to protect his "word."

[@uthman2281]

What is the Quran?

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

@@michaelalan5520 Which of the 37 different known qupedorans in circulation today is the true qupedoran? You have to clearify before you talk about anything else. Is it hafs? Warsh? Or any of the other 37 different qupedorans?

[@tonykhoury5522]

I am also not here to debate and the i write 20 paragraphes arguing 🙃

[@sheikhboyardee556]

Obviously, Allah did not send down a manuscript that has never been changed. So many changes, so many different Qurans.

[@CHSCRTE]

And also allah allowed the Muslims to burn the Holy Word, hence they had a burn-the-quran day conducted by Uthman. Hundreds were burnt compared to just one in Sweden recently. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[@ankur7773]

*QURAN COPY PASTE FAKE BOOK SIMPLE*

[@Xbalanque84]

More importantly, this is yet another piece of evidence that if Allah is real, _he is fundamentally undeserving of worship._ No matter how you slice it, this scandal alone paints him as weak, incompetent, and/or maliciously deceptive, all traits unbecoming of a supposedly moral _hotheos._

[@ankur7773]

@@Xbalanque84 MOHAMMAD FALSE PROPHET💯✅

[@hikmah_bersama2049]

Of course not. Allah didn't send manuscript to his messenger, but through revelation verse by verse within 23 years. Likewise, just like Allah didn't send Bible according to, according to according to, according to, so that Jesus preached those Bible to his people. LOL.

[@temporaryaccount5307]

It just doesn’t matter which aspect of Islam u review. You’ll ALWAYS find something embarrassingly false.

[@sheikhboyardee556]

Amazing how many holes they are in the Holey Quran.

[@kelvinpragassa4871]

​@@sheikhboyardee556 hehehe...holey! Thanks to yasser qadhi

[@okjomendez]

​@@sheikhboyardee556 Quran can't be holy Quran is most on killing and lust 😅 and fool Muslim people believing when they kill and go in paradise Allah will gift them 72 virgins 😅 which they can only have that 72 virgins in hell with their god Allah BAAL 😅 and false prophet killer Muhhamad 😮

[@Xbalanque84]

Seriously, show me one believing "scholar" or imam, all the way down the chain from Mo and his companions, who _isn't_ a liar or an outright psychopath. *_Every aspect of this cult's doctrine is irrevocably tainted._*

[@sheikhboyardee556]

@@Xbalanque84 I suspect all the "authorities" within Islam know Mohammad was a horrible person & Islam is a joke, but in their positions they live well & make a lot of money. It's in their interests to keep this cult going.

[@Ashoraya]

سلام المسيح اطلب منك تترجم حلقاتك الكثير من العرب لا يعرفون الانكليزية ❤️

[@muhammedallah386]

@💗 Be Happy 💗 It would be nicer if it was already translated into Arabic

[@markeden767]

Al fadi Just love your set. So professional GBU

[@samuelflores1419]

SIN is Hopelessly Hopeless! God bless you both and your ministry!

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

*Fun Math With Islame #70* Mupedohammad is very ill from the food he ate at kaybar. Aisha has got a prescription of *6 cups* of camel urine as a medicine. Aisha has an unlimited supply of camel urine from the many caravans mupedohammad attacked, but unfortunately, she only has 2 cups with these meassures: | | | *9 cups* | | | | | | *4 cups* | |_________| |________| 🐪 QUESTION: How can Aisha meassure out *6 cups* of camel urine into the bigger one without approximating - and save mupedohammad's life?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Samuel Flores ... Can you enlighten me if why the holes in the following are hopelessly hopeless? 1. From what source/s did Mark plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as Mark's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses Mark plagiarized are true and correct? 2. From what source/s did Matthew plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as Matthew's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses Matthew plagiarized are true and correct? 3. From what source/s did Luke plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as Luke's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses Luke plagiarized are true and correct? 4. From what source/s did John plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as John's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses John plagiarized are true and correct? 5. From what source/s did Paul plagiarizes the verses he put in his letters to the different churches of: 1). Romans; 2). Hebrews; 3). Corinthians; 4). Galatians; 5). Colossians; 6). Philippians; 7). Ephesians; 8). Thessalonians? How can you be sure that the verses Paul plagiarized are true and correct? 6. From what source/s did Paul plagiarizes the verses he put in his letters to the different individuals like: 1). Timothy; 2). Titus; 3). Philemon; 4). James; 5). John; 6). Jude (Judas); 7). Peter? How can you be sure that the verses Paul plagiarized are true and correct? 7. From what source/s did Paul plagiarizes the verses he put in his ridiculous fictional diary called the book of Acts? How can you be sure that the verses Paul plagiarized are true and correct? 8. From what source/s did John plagiarizes the verses he put in his dream of fantasy which deceptively labeled as the book of Revelations? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? 9. Why is it the Bible writers copied and plagiarized word for word the Hebrew Bible or the Jewish book of Judaism and deceptively labeled it as the Old Testament, and afterward shamelessly bragged themselves that they are inspired by the Holy Spirit? 10. Where is the Aramaic Gospel, a book sent by God to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) to be preached to the children of Israel (Jews)? -05-26-23

[@yasminismael1643]

نشكركم على المجهود المبذول الدائم والمستمر أستاذنا الفاضل انت وكل ضيوفك

[@fitzburg63]

Write English, this is not Arabic thread!!!

[@bernarddsilva6322]

​@@fitzburg63 I used the google translate, it works fine.

[@fitzburg63]

@@bernarddsilva6322 使用人們聽不懂的語言是非常粗魯的

[@fitzburg63]

@💗 Be Happy 💗 Then she could use your Google translate, could she not?

[@fitzburg63]

@💗 Be Happy 💗 There is - we are fed up with this Arabic of theirs... and as far as this, it is you who make an issue here, troublemaker.

[@Christian_Paul_nz]

You allude (correctly) to 1924 as the last time the Koran was "standardised" and re-canonised. However, the news of this did not filter down to remote corners of the Ummah until much later. My mother looked after the Korans of our family and the families of my father's close relatives. That was essentially because she was the only person who could read and make sense of what was in the Koran, among her in-law family group. She had in her possession 14 Korans, of which some she looked after, and a few she owned. Some of those Korans were quite old. In the 1970s, an important-looking sharia official came and, very respectfully, took all of the Korans away. As a youngster, I was quite upset, but my mother assured me that the printers had made some mistakes and those were going to be corrected. Some weeks later, she received brand new, 14 copies of the Koran. I was assured that all the mistakes had been corrected and what we now had was exactly what Jibril had dictated to Mahomet.

[@jeanetteraichel8299]

Rude and disrespectful to steal a person's property when they were old family books and inconsistent, which she pointed out

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

@@jeanetteraichel8299 Hm. What have muslims not stolen? I have never seen anything invented by a muslim. Nothing. Except... maybe the suicide west.

[@allisone9329]

Aha yes this is typical behaviour for people who want to hide the truth and continue to deceive people😔 but despite their attempts to hide the truth God will make a way so His people come to know The truth praise God🙏💖

[@Lu-jn8ip]

stop lying. you were not a muslim. these christians actually believed you.

[@shahadathkadir]

There's only 1 Quran. u look at different covers from different publishers & say many Quran. If u open the book u will see it is all the same from Fathiha to Nas. word for word , letter for letter.The same ONE Quran that ALL Muslims use. If Muslims had more than 1 Quran they will be like u. LOST.Praying to different gods in different ways .Leave your made up false doctrines & come to the truth

[@kelvinpragassa4871]

My major question is...who gave uthman the right TO BURN the previous material from which he derived these 6... does that now make him a newer prophet...if he got permission from allah

[@cogit0ergo705]

I think it was Aisheepa - Aisha's sheep - The Last Prophet of Islam - who was abrogating adult breast-feeding and stoning for adultery verses after Muhammad died. Uthman said - "Should I save these other qurans - or burn them?" Then he heard The Last Prophet of Islam say - "Baaaaahhhhhhh"nn [them]

[@ankur7773]

MOHAMMAD FALSE PROPHET💯✅

[@user-si7ig6ul7l]

The Angel Jibril came to Muhammad and said "Read!" & later came to the Prophet Sheep and said "Eat!". So poetic you can't deny the Qurans Holeyness!

[@kelvinpragassa4871]

@@user-si7ig6ul7l cud this mean..the sheep is a prophet too... did it speak Arabic? Just curious

[@cogit0ergo705]

@@kelvinpragassa4871 - Indeed. Not only that - sheep is now eternal - because it ate eternal quran. So all they have to do - is find eternal sheep. PROOFS!!! 😀

[@Theotherlostprimarch]

Your patience with Dr. Jay is impressive. He’s a great guest, but very exuberant…

[@brownwarrior6867]

“One of the most important questions of Qur’ānic history is the whereabouts of the Mushafs attributed to Caliph Uthman and whether any of them reached the present day. Unfortunately, we do not have a positive answer to this question …In our view, this situation is one of the greatest weaknesses of the Islamic world throughout history” - Dr Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu and Dr Tayyar Altıkulaç, Al-Mushaf Al-Sharif Attributed To Uthman Bin ‘ Affan, p. 35

[@simonhengle8316]

Excellent video gents, when was the Petropolitanus written?

[@williamgarayua5878]

As long as GOOD translations are more easier to find, the mess of MEMORIZATION becomes more evident to embarrass The Armies of JIHAD that only fight for NON SENSE. 💞🌍🕊️ 🆚 ⚔️📗⚔️

[@hikmah_bersama2049]

Muslims do not memorize the translation LOL. Translation is not the Qur'an

[@kamekameha721]

@@hikmah_bersama2049 🤭🤭🤭🤭 So it's okay to burn the Qur'an translation versions, and no Abdul would take to the street?????? All Harm to allah 😁

[@hikmah_bersama2049]

@@kamekameha721 Yes, sure thing the Qur'an is words of God while the Bible 99% words of men, so you wouldn't care if people put it in the trash bin. You and the whole Christians in this planet would not harm Allah. In fact, you and your God will cry and beg for his mercy.

[@williamgarayua5878]

Dear "@@hikmah_bersama2049 " : 📚Failure to memorize a NON Existent official text, and no understanding of whatever is memorized, leads to Violent Confusion within The Armies of JIHAD. 💞🌍🕊️ 🆚 ⚔️📗⚔️

[@hikmah_bersama2049]

@@williamgarayua5878 LOL, it's Arabic not in ancient Egypt language. [Surah Az-Zukhruf: 3] Sahih International: Indeed, We have made it an Arabic Qur’ān that you might understand. We do understand what we memorize. What is the real name of Jesus BTW? Donald trump in Arabic is Donald trump, so is in Chinese, Japanese and any other languages.

[@deepakrebentisch9173]

Dear Dr Fadi and Dr Jay excellent series it will be better for Dr Fadi to do the presentation and Dr Jay to be the one to ask questions, being an Arab Dr Fadi will be more appealing and acceptable to our Muslim brothers and sisters

[@Christian_Paul_nz]

Really? Al Fadi is the apostate and Dr Jay is a born-Christian. Your Muslim friends and their brothers and sisters would respect a Christian by birth a zillion times more than a murtad (apostate), surely.

[@joek8948]

Totally agree, Dr Fadi, plse reverse the role with Dr Jay.

[@SuperCodemeister]

​@@garybowings1538 yet.

[@temporaryaccount5307]

Most of the Muslim world accept Hafs while rejecting his Hadiths bc he was a known liar and story thief lol. Hilarious

[@kelvinpragassa4871]

The real hilarious is that they need something..anything to hold onto n to try not to b embraced wen asked question about explaining so it's just a scramble not to catch anything while they brainwash themselves...or just regurgitate without thinking...thanks to yq

[@Xbalanque84]

What does it matter? Show me one believing "scholar" or imam, all the way down the chain from Mo and his companions, who _isn't_ a liar or an outright psychopath. *_Every aspect of this cult's doctrine is irrevocably tainted._*

[@kelvinpragassa4871]

@@Xbalanque84 a very tough question..n how they managed to fool a billion? ...even tougher to answer

[@CHSCRTE]

The process involved in quranic written tradition was a clear bogus effort without a single drop of DIVINE INSPIRATION. And writing the quran has nothing to do with the author's personal ENCOUNTER with God, GUIDED and INSPIRED, received GRACE, conversion and salvation, if we are to treat the quran the way we treat the NT of the Bible. We believe the bible to be inspired thoughts from oral to written tradition, which included the author's experience and views from the witness stance. Come Holy Spirit in Jesus' name. Amen. 🕊️🕊️🕊️💛💛💛✝️✝️✝️

[@davidsinclair47]

It's the Quran that has an oral tradition with the written coming much later. "It is written" is a key phrase in the Bible. The Bible was written down from the beginning. We don't have the confusion found in the Quran because the Bible was written and we have an abundance of manuscripts. The New Testament can be traced to the first century through multiple portions of text found through out the area showing it had spread in writing. The scribal traditions found within Judaism were shown to be quite accurate with the discovery of the dead sea scrolls. We can know that the Bible is not hobnobbed together like the quran but reflects the original.

[@hikmah_bersama2049]

1 John 5:7 KJV “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. Truely inspired by God that it taken out from almost all version of the Bible

[@Xbalanque84]

​@@davidsinclair47 Not entirely true. Much of the Bible (particular the mythic narratives of Genesis) took centuries of floating around the cultural aether before enterprising and divinely inspired scribes put them into written media around which a new canon was formed. Likewise, much of Biblical wisdom literature were themselves near ubiquitous cultural idioms floating around the ancient Near East when they were compiled, with the same or extremely similar versions found in other literary traditions. And before anyone says anything, these ideas weren't plagiarized in a strict sense, more like they were well-known memes that spread by word of mouth and intergenerationally without attribution over thousands of years. If anything, the cultures that echoed such idioms, if they attributed them at all, were likely to attribute them to great prophets or sages of legend (a la modern joking quote attributions to Oscar Wilde), or the gods themselves, either as a means of artificially adding gravitas to their message (for mortal attribution) or a general understanding that such self-evident wisdom must have a divine source (for the gods). Never forget, the events and eventual transcription of what became the Old Testament took place over thousands of years, with the now canon Biblical records being transcribed (with considerable time to percolate and change in the cultural zeitgeist) centuries after the fact. Moreover, the historical accounts follow ancient conventions of history as a literary genre, ie _they are more framing devices explaining how things came to be as they are now._ Biblical history only starts to approach journalistic recording of historical events in the New Testament, almost all of which center around Christ, His Apostles, and the newborn Christian Church. One can argue that the versions of Old Testament narratives which have survived to us _are_ divinely inspired for a number of reasons, but one must still acknowledge the herd of elephants in the room. Likewise, one must also acknowledge how severely these variables _fundamentally undercut Muhammad's claims to prophethood._ There is a very good reason why the people of Mecca referred to him as "the ear" and dismissed his so-called prophecies as "sayings of the ancients." *Mo was literally dumb enough to try and pass off universally understood cultural idioms going mack centuries or millenia as **_novel divine revelations._* I might as well claim to have just received a revelation from Snorglplax the Irritating, ordering me to serve as the prophet of his coming, and that his first lessons/declarations are "Don't put all your eggs in one basket," and "People die when they are killed." (And yes, the second one is referencing a meme, one specifically about stating the obvious).

[@kamekameha721]

@@hikmah_bersama2049 🤭🤭🤭🤭 Abdul claim allah is One But allah keep referring himself as WE and US 😄😄😁🤭 A Delusional allah??? Or allah is looking at himself in front of a broken mirror 🤭

[@CHSCRTE]

@@davidsinclair47 in every culture, oral tradition is fundamental to the teaching method of passing down the knowledge from one generation to the next what a particular society had acquired.. the biblical writings were going through similar process but its through specific inspiration of divine wisdom enable the writers to record historical events in the light of their faith, experience, and encounter with God. You cant just be a random writer or amateur to do these works.

[@kausarrizvi1747]

a detailed report on sana manuscript is awaited ❤

[@michaelalan5520]

kausarrizvi, Salam, Harvard University scholars have already did research on Sana manuscript. It is published already. Result is surprising to Islamophobe. Excep some differences in spelling,use of vowel, minor grammar errors -the SANA manuscript is exactly same as today's Quran. Similarly -Birmingham University UK manuscript, though only one page -exactly similar to today's Quran and more importantly- carbon dated, found to be from Prophet Mohammad's time. Allah already declares in the noble Quran 15:9- (Hijor)- - "" We have,without doubt, sent down, revealed the Message (Quran) : Surely, We will guard it (from corruption, changes, interpolation) "". Salam Sir, May Allah bless all Muslim.

[@foxwithtubesox1075]

I remember when muslims used to claim that allah protected the qur'an "word for word, letter for letter." That was supposed to be proof in and of itself of its divine origin. Now, as more evidence emerges, they are forced to say stuff like this: *"Excep some differences in spelling,use of vowel, minor grammar errors -the SANA manuscript is exactly same as today's Quran."* And then, they quote a verse from the book saying that allah wouldn't allow any changes. Even though they already admitted that there are changes. Apparently, 1,000 text variations still counts as proof of divine protection, somehow. You can't make this stuff up.

[@simonhengle8316]

@@michaelalan5520 That’s wholly untrue Sana Quran A. The earliest known Quranic manuscript is the Sana’a Quran (Palimpsest) in Yemen, and is incomplete, the lower text has only 18 suras, whilst the upper text has only 38 suras (there should be 114 suras). The Lower text has 63 verses with 70 variants, and of course the upper verses have many variants to the Cairo/Hafs Quran as well. B. It jumps from Sura 19 to Sura 22 (assumed date is 705), you then find sura 20 on the left-hand page and that is a later script added 60-70 years later. C. Dr. Gerd Puin on the Sana i. The original texts had been washed off and written over with new texts. Puin believes that the lower (washed off) older text is evidence of a non-canonical Quran. ii. “Oldest parchments and papers of any Quranic Mushaf” iii. “Yet more than half of the text is ambiguous letters which need diacritical marks for understanding. Adding vowels help correct mistakes. Changes in orthography are found in geographical tradition schools”. As a consequence, individual words can have up to 30 different meanings, and that it was not handed down word for word. iv. The difference between the Sana Quran and the Cairo (Hafs) Quran is startling. On the Quran Puin had this to say in an article in 1999 Atlantic Monthly; “My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within the Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants. The Koran claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or 'clear,' but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims-and Orientalists-will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Koran is not comprehensible-if it can't even be understood in Arabic-then it's not translatable. People fear that. And since the Koran claims repeatedly to be clear but obviously is not-as even speakers of Arabic will tell you-there is a contradiction. Something else must be going on.” D. Dr. Elizabeth Puin believes (wife of Gerd); i. That both the lower and upper texts were corrected significantly to make them more canonical ii. That the lower text is not Uthmanic and has even more variances to the Cairo/Hafs Quran than the upper text, and is a non-conical Quran. iii. Both layers do not correspond with the Quran (Cairo/Hafs) of today iv. That it is the start of standardizing the Quran

[@alexandernorman5337]

@@foxwithtubesox1075 Allah protected the Quran except for where he didn't and this proves that the Quran is from Allah.

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

@@michaelalan5520 How can muslims even keep count on all their gods? Mupedohammad is god in *surah 4:80* which means two gods, then satan is also god because he controls mupedohammad, *tafsir al jalaylayn **22:52* and al-lat, alüza and manat... and then, mupedohammad adds even another god, black stone god, seven different gods?

[@user-sy9hh7x9fi]

Thanks brothers, God bless you!

[@actuarialscience2283]

High quality video

[@hambam7533]

excellent presentation gentleman

[@felipemillomeda]

Watching again

[@Thutmosis7]

Dr Walter Williams have already told us how Mohammedan later Islam came about in his book Historical origin of Islam.

[@Humanity952]

Good job 👍

[@alphainitium5737]

Muhammad once told his followers to “Learn the recitation of the Qur’an from four: from Abdullah bin Masud-he started with him-Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Mu’adh bin Jabal and Ubai bin Ka’b.”v Interestingly, Ibn Masud (first on Muhammad’s list) held that the Qur’an should only have 111 chapters (today’s version has 114 chapters), and that chapters 1, 113, and 114 shouldn’t have been included in the Qur’an. Because of this (along with hundreds of other differences), Ibn Masud went so far as to call the final edition of the Qur’an a deception! He said, “The people have been guilty of deceit in the reading of the Qur’an. I like it better to read according to the recitation of him [i.e. Muhammad] whom I love more than that of Zayd Ibn Thabit.” Source: Ibn Sa’d, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, Vol. 2, p. 444.

[@Xbalanque84]

LOL By his own words, Ibn Masud was either committing shirk or he had something of a haram crush on his prophet.

[@michaelalan5520]

Yes, Ibne Masud had differed from Othmanic Quran about READING (dialect of arab tribes) of the Quran, not about the authenticity, originality, genuiness,credibility of the Quran. Thank You Sir, my respect to all. I am not here for debate, just clarifying the issue. Again Sir, My respect to all.

[@Rabidracc000ns]

@@michaelalan5520brother I respect u and ibn masud said that uthmans quran was so wrong he made his own version which was completely different and even had 2 extra chapter If uthmans quran was same as Muhammad Ibn masud wouldn’t say it’s not same as Muhammad’s saying he learn Quran directly from prophet while zayd was in loins of disbeliever Basically asking why u take Quran from Over me I knew Quran while he was in the sakk of a pagan And ibn masud is greatest interpreter of Quran Ibn kab was greatest reciter and 1/4 teachers appointed by Muhammad to take Quran from He said uthmans copt was different and made his own version as well Search is Sikh holy book perfectly preserved If u want to see only holy book that is We still have original copy 100% of it to prove perfect preservation And even on top we have the master copies of our holy book sent out to different places Al match the book today that’s why we never had a different version of our holy book or had to standardize it

[@mikejohnson5059]

What cities were these found in before they ended up in museums?

[@Kakaragi]

What about the Birmingham Manuscript?

[@davidchase1439]

We have far better textual evidence to support how close our Hebrew and Greek textsxare to the Originals as contrasted with lack of textual criticism for Koran

[@hendratantono4265]

they say thousands of slander about the Koran. but when confronted with memorization, they will display a foolishness of a thousand logics

[@edperry2956]

CHRIST THE HOLLY LORD is LORD ❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏✌️

[@juliewestron5260]

1:01 how many transcripts we have for New Testament We have 24,000 manuscripts. Where they only have 6 manuscripts.

[@sheelaantony1615]

Internet is mightier than pen and sword 👍

[@IslamicOrigins]

Brilliant!

[@aabraham3989]

Quran 15:9 Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

From where did the Bible come from, and to whom it was being sent to? Who was the sender, and who was the recipient? -06-15-23

[@yerpyaboy]

Sounds like the gospels which are missing from the Dead Sea scrolls

[@hdl135605]

vage, dubious & incoherent statement, without merit or clarity.

[@lewis4358]

I believe in Christianity because find me one Love story greater then God who died for your sins

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Is it not worth pondering upon as to why the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL cannot still be produced by the Christian scholars up to now? If I were a Christian, I would give a second look on my faith since I have no book from God to serve as my basis for my spirituality and religiosity. I would not hesitate to give a second thought by questioning the genuineness of the source of my faith which come only from the opinions and ideas of different men. How could it be that their words become the words of God? Am I in the right track? Or, should I now shift lane to erase the doubts bothering me? Or, should I choose procrastination until the original Aramaic Gospel would surface from oblivion? But my end is getting nearer and nearer every day. I have to act now and waste not a second. I have to choose the religion whose book comes from God. With that, I am sure that I am following the words of God, and not the words of men. I am certain now that I have a better place to go to. Paradise. -06-11-23

[@theodoreconstantini2548]

I like Dr Jay Smith.

[@RealityAudits]

can you do a show once on Aramaic and how it correlates with arabic if it does etc...?

[@julietabraham476]

The Quranic dilemma goes on and the holes get bigger in the S.I.N much larger than the holes on the slice of my favourite Emmentel cheese.God bless you brethren and keep up the good work...Ameen

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Juliet Abraham ... Can you enlighten me if why the holes in the following are getting bigger and bigger? 1. From what source/s did Mark plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as Mark's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses Mark plagiarized are true and correct? 2. From what source/s did Matthew plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as Matthew's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses Matthew plagiarized are true and correct? 3. From what source/s did Luke plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as Luke's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses Luke plagiarized are true and correct? 4. From what source/s did John plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as John's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses John plagiarized are true and correct? 5. From what source/s did Paul plagiarizes the verses he put in his letters to the different churches of: 1). Romans; 2). Hebrews; 3). Corinthians; 4). Galatians; 5). Colossians; 6). Philippians; 7). Ephesians; 8). Thessalonians? How can you be sure that the verses Paul plagiarized are true and correct? 6. From what source/s did Paul plagiarizes the verses he put in his letters to the different individuals like: 1). Timothy; 2). Titus; 3). Philemon; 4). James; 5). John; 6). Jude (Judas); 7). Peter? How can you be sure that the verses Paul plagiarized are true and correct? 7. From what source/s did Paul plagiarizes the verses he put in his ridiculous fictional diary called the book of Acts? How can you be sure that the verses Paul plagiarized are true and correct? 8. From what source/s did John plagiarizes the verses he put in his dream of fantasy which deceptively labeled as the book of Revelations? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? 9. Why is it the Bible writers copied and plagiarized word for word the Hebrew Bible or the Jewish book of Judaism and deceptively labeled it as the Old Testament, and afterward shamelessly bragged themselves that they are inspired by the Holy Spirit? 10. Where is the Aramaic Gospel, a book sent by God to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) to be preached to the children of Israel (Jews)? -05-26-23

[@lukesusilo2112]

Uthman, a caliph of land so wide, decided to standardized a text of Holy Quran. He finally able to have 1 "golden standard" Quran, copy it several times, send it to every province under his rule so people could copy and ultimately have only 1 version of Quran. Unfortunately not even a single complete manuscript from his time was found in modern era.

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

Holey queer'an is more holey than its narratives

[@izuaff04]

so older religion has more manuscripts...

[@layaabkaaduunka3921]

I am a young man living in Somalia and I want to leave Islam and I am afraid that I will be killed if it is found out that my parents are muslims so no one will help me.

[@skylink2661]

If a dog wears lion's costume the dog can't become a lion. Quote 😂

[@SaintRegime]

Jay needs to learn how to listen to others, instead of waiting his turn to speak (and often failing). It'd make these videos sooo much more enjoyable and comprehensible.

[@shafi.j]

7:16) Satan said: 'Since You have led me astray, I shall surely sit in ambush for them on Your Straight Path. (7:17) Then I will come upon them from the front and from the rear, and from their right and from their left. And You will not find most of them thankful

[@defenderoftruth3212]

It looks like Jay Smith and Abdul Fadi become irritatingly jealous when they could read something beautiful are written about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they want is that all writers would always go by their line of thinking of always finding faults against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and that what they should write will always be about his bad sides. If only they have a supernatural power to squeeze the intelligence of Michael H. Hart and the likes of him, they would do so to make them write anything negative only about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they lose sight of the fact is that they cannot suppress the intelligence of the writers and their independence to write. They cannot make them succumbed to their evil motives. -06-10-23

[@ishtarlew598]

Muslims still can' explain why they read the Hafs Quran written 150yrs after Mo, if the SIN is true.

[@Pocha88]

Good

[@samdavid7272]

HEALINGS FOR THE NATIONS Genesis 1:21,26 Everything God created on this earth was good. No death, No killings, No Sickness, No Diseases, No Rape Genesis 2:16 God Commanded the First man not to eat a particular fruit Genesis 3:6 Man disobeyed God.... Sickness, disease, and death entered this world, and Man began to suffer. Isaiah 53:4-12 God promised to send his WORD to deliver us from, Sin, Sickness, and Disease. Matthew 8:17 The promise was fulfilled in Christ Jesus. All you have to do to be healed from your depression, sickness, diseases, and fears is to call upon the name of the Messiah Christ Jesus and you will be saved from all your depression, sickness, and disease. PEACE OF GOD UPON YOU. Acts 4:10-12, Matthew 7:7-10 (Ask and God shall give you) GOD LOVES ALL MANKIND

[@joek8948]

We dont even need a brain to know it is absurd to believe the qoran can be perfectly preserved thru memorization & oral transmission during mohd time.

[@truthseeker-wj1iu]

Anybody who attributes Quran to the words of Almighty is doing the grievest wrong. May true God lead all of us to the Truth.

[@embmaxim.3340]

❤️👍

[@melchiormapa3597]

The Holy Spirit of Pentecost, the spirit of truth does His work since the creation of the world,TO REVEAL THE TRUTH OF GOD. These two men are inspired by the Spirit of Pentecost to dismantle falsehood and to guide our generation to the light of truth. All the glory and honour to God Jesus Christ The Almighty.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. -05-26-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

KILLING the Apostate is a sacred LAW in Christianity. This Apostasy law is embodied in Deuteronomy 13, where it orders the killing of any one, regardless of his relationship to his family, if he leaves his religion. This law is being adhered to by Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he galvanized it by his pronouncement in Matthew 5:17-20. But what is surprising is that this kind of Law can never be found in the Holy Qur’an. No such verse can be found in it which says that if someone would leave Islam he shall be put to death, or be stoned to death. DEUTERONOMY 13 13:1. If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 13:2. And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 13:3. Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 13:4. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 13:5. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. 13:6. If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 13:7. Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 13:8. Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 13:9. But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 13:10. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 13:11. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you. 13:12. If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13:13. Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 13:14. Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 13:15. Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 13:16. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 13:17. And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 13:18. When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God. MATTHEW 5:17 - 20: 5:17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 5:18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 5:20. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. -(10-05-23)

[@demarcorobinson1929]

What are you talking about? Deuteronomy 13 is addressing the punishment for Israelites involved in IDOLATRY, worshipping other gods and trying to deceive the people in doing the same. This is the law under the Old Covenant and only pertains to the nation of Israel. Has nothing to do with Christianity. Neither does Matthew 5. Jesus is saying nothing contained in the law will change or be done away with until he fulfills it. You Muslims are illiterate when it comes to the Bible and context. Smh

[@user-rb4fv5ew3o]

Absolutely correct that is not a word of GOD.

[@DaChristianYute]

Muslims: The Quran is “Perfectly preserved” lol I can’t believe some of them are still saying this.

[@davidchase1439]

Iskam claims perfect teansmission of koran why has that true edition never been found ?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -06-01-23

[@TetrahedronIX]

Why would the Bible need to meet the Islamic standard, the Bible is 600 years older and 10x longer than the Quran. The Quran requires tasfeer and Hadith to be probably understood, so not only did it come 600yrs after the Bible, which it copies much context from, but Uthman had to standardize it and it still required Hadith and tafseer.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@TetrahedronIX ... That is the big difference the Bible and the Holy Qur'an. The contents of the Holy Qur'an are purely revelations from God, while the contents of the Bible are only ideas, opinions, concoctions, conjectures of the writers. Like what Jay Smith has observed, the Bible contained the ideas and opinions of Paul which he expressed in his several letters. And it turned out that as per Jay Smith scrutinization, those are tafseer of the Old Testament. It only means that those have no bearing at all to your religiosity. They could not be made as the foundation of your faith. Ideas and opinions of one's individual can either be right or wrong. So, it cannot be relied upon. But it looks like the christians relied much on Paul since 90 percent of the New Testament are words of Paul. Believing in the words of Paul is tantamount to elevating him to the status of a god. Actually, without yo realizing it, Paul is your 4th god. -06-04-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

The BIBLE in the eyes of JAY SMITH. According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -06-05-23

[@ultrasignificantfootnote3378]

Absence of evidence is not evidence for absence 😂

[@moonshine.9169]

Definitely, but the lack of evidence does make it highly suspect

[@Rabidracc000ns]

Good so u realize then u can’t claim perfect preservation cuz u don’t have proof If u want a religion that has this gift of God that shows the true path I can show u

[@ultrasignificantfootnote3378]

@@Rabidracc000ns Yes ,Mormonism is the one true religion, they say.

[@adamma7483]

The manuscipts of the Quran being changed are refuted, this claims is refuted, because the letters was differnt because the people memorized the Quran heart to heart, and when it was written some letters haved a little ‟errors”because people didn t know if the letter was a another letters because in Arabic there is 3 similar letters,so they haved to change the letters so people can know well what means,but the words have the same meaning, so the Quran being changed is refuted,and it s even confirmed that no human and AI can do a better chapter and verse than the Quran,so it s impossible that changed,even because there was too much people that memorized it

[@defenderoftruth3212]

One Source. One message to all Prophets. One Religion. Only ISLAM. Q. 3:19. Indeed, the RELIGION in the sight of ALLAH is ISLAM. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account. Q. 2:213. Mankind was [of] ONE RELIGION [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path. Q. 2:208. O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and DO NOT FOLLOW the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy. Q. 2:112. Yes [on the contrary], whoever submits his face in Islam to Allah while being a doer of good will have his reward with his Lord. And no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve. Q. 2:256. There shall be NO COMPULSION in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. Q. 23:52. And indeed this, your religion, is ONE RELIGION, and I am your Lord, so fear Me." -06-06-23

[@mautbur]

funniest guy on youtube

[@nayak5550]

39 qurans shortlisted to 11 qurans now 9 qurans..and few Egyptian never changed that's called Qairo Quran. And now mainly they followed Ummayad quran, Arab quran, few changed Iranic Persian quran, In addition they followed Hadish, and many more books..Book oriented Religion always Under confusion....Inner conscience nd karma only perfect guide to live of humans called Sanatani Hindu.

[@MaverickSeventySeven]

Why was "Islam" created, for what purpose?

[@miahi2356]

It’s deception the devil really I wish it never existed it only caused chaos hell and terror, the false dude Mohammed (wannabe prophet who slept with kids) took from the Torah and Bible so much shit, the deception its crap, it’s like being cheated on but spiritually for real made me so angry. Im out of that filth I truly questioned and I was like how is that God there “Allah” how? Wtf …. I follow Christ now❤ I hope everyone wakes up and sees how islam is complete bullshit 🤮 It’s not fair to be lied to really enough is enough The truth really does set you free ❤

[@zombieturtleiscoolyt]

Holy Imran and His Family Title was Beduin and Maaaadi Arabic -- Maaad"un ,Maaad"oon , Maaad"een, Holy mum-ma Marium she was a maaadi Arabic -- Maaad"onna ( family title for the femail ) , Holy Jesus was a maaadi -- Arabic -- Maaad"un , Holy Muses was a Mount-Maaadi- Arabic --Mhun"un-Maaad"un =Mh-maaad"un = Mh-maaad , Holy Harun was a Moun-Maaadi Arabic -- Mhun"un-Maaad"un = Mh-maaad"un =Mh-maaad , Holy Eliajah was a Moun- Maaadi Arabic --Mhun"un-Maaad"un = Mh-maaad"un=Mh-maaad , Indeed Holy Prophet of Quran -- he was a Moun-Maaadi= arabic -- Mhun-Maaad"un=Mh-maaad, Indeed who holy prophet he should be from House of Imran & he should be Maaadi ,Arabic -- Maaad"un , Indeed who Holy Prophet he Should be From House of Imran & he Should be Ahaaaadi - Maaadi arabic- Ahaaad"un +Maaad"un=Ahmaaad"un= Ahmaaad, Indeed Holy Nobi Eliajah is the Moun-Maaadi = Moun-Maaad"un =Mh-maaad"un= Mh-maaad , & he is a Ah-maaadi --Arabic Ah-maaad"un ,,,,,

[@aluminatechurch]

I teach One Humanitarian Truth Under God from the Bible, Koran, Bhagavad Gita and New World's Testament that I write. So basically what you're saying is people messed up the manuscripts just like Bible we don't have all the writings in the New Testament and the Gospels were written years after the crucifixion. Christians try so hard to prove the Koran is fake or wrong but there's one thing Christians can't get around and that's whether Jesus is God or not and the Trinity has never been agreed about amongst Christians even today. Today you still have the Oneness, Trinitarian, and Unitarian theologies about the Bible.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

How I earnestly wish that there is now an original ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it? I am urging Jay Smith to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -05-03-23

[@mohamadromzee7394]

Dear Brothers, The Birmingham manuscript matches that of the current modern Quranic text. Also when historians look at the manuscripts , it does not matter whether the manuscripts numbered to thousands. The important issue is whether the manuscripts are authentic. An unauthentic manuscript copied a thousand times is still not authentic. The original gospel is in Aramaic , but we do not have any original Aramaic copy of the gospel. We however have manuscripts of the Quran close to the time of the companions.

[@123dsj123]

The Birmingham manuscripts is a single sheet written on both sides. It relates only three stories found in the Quran - all three stories predate the Quean. I think one of those stories is about the 7 Sleepers.

[@didierfavre2356]

@@123dsj123 I would not be surprised if these stories were man made.

[@markxivlxii1390]

As ChristAboveAll correctly stated, the Birmingham manuscript is just a folio. It is not a complete Quran. Ony 33 verses, Sura 18:17-31 The 7 Sleepers, Sura 19:91-98 Proto-evangelium of James, Sura 20:1-40 The story of Moses. These are all earlier stories that were going around hundreds of years before Mohd, and in the case of the story of Moses it's thousands of years ealier. All this folio proves is that the authors of the Quran borrowed from early sources. According to scholars such as Deroche who says there is enough evidence that indicates that this folio, due to it's writing style and sophistication, was probably produced under Abd al-Malik in the 8th century.

[@didierfavre2356]

​@@markxivlxii1390 I'm still dreaming about someone finding a Quranic script older than Muhammad. I imagine it as a collection of writing material which was later put into the Qur'an.

[@mihawk-7764]

​@@didierfavre2356 Cuz it's actually a man-made story that some historian or a story teller write it and became famous so our beloved ARABIAN EAR copied the story about christians who slept for a lot of time then when they wake up they found out the roman empire became Christian

[@natalissatriajuventus7989]

I was late

[@rogelrusia9806]

Maybe not Allah but Iblis send a munuscript but Muhamad do not know how to read it. So maybe He just thrown it away because he was ashamed that nobody believed in him. So he just making up his owned story but still nobody witnessed it

[@IbrahimMoles]

You don't said that if you come aut from islam jast continue whatever you follow please

[@Rabidracc000ns]

*muhammad on buraq* Everyone: hey guys look Muhammad’s on a donkey hahahah Muhammad : it’s not a donkey it’s horse 🐎

[@DefenderOfChrist_]

Jesus Christ is King✝️

[@AylinAylin-tq3uw]

He's the Supreme, Unique Creator. You see any challenges to him, with our feeble restricted ability ?!!!! Or any beyond our world ?!!!!!!!! Thought not !!!!!!!!!!! If Yeshua / ISA Son of Meryem was a God, HE'D REBEL !!!!!!!!!!

[@AylinAylin-tq3uw]

Justified lies ?!!!!!!!! Exodus 20 New International Version The Ten Commandments 20 And God spoke all these words: 2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me. 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. 7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

[@SamsnFdre-si6ci]

Human satan left lslam and joined his father and now talking bad about lslam.

[@alex4given808]

Why, but why believe in allah the deceiver?

[@toniangelo555]

Don't say that the god of Judeo-Christians are innocent..

[@alex4given808]

@@toniangelo555 he is innocent, and your point is?

[@toniangelo555]

@@alex4given808 my point is clear, the god of Abrahamic religons are one and same and it is the devil himself..

[@alex4given808]

@@toniangelo555 what's the motivation for believing this?

[@toniangelo555]

@@alex4given808 if you read the non-canonical gnostic scriptures you will find out what I mean. May the 'god of Jesus' opening your eyes brother

[@thereligionofevilandgood]

Your clothes is nice This clothes is Arabian gulf clothes ((Not an Islamic clothes))

[@aabraham3989]

Quran 15:9 Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian.

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

and then.... top editor of islame, Tame Sheep, did heavy editing to qupedoran *sunan ibn majah 1944*

[@aabraham3989]

@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable 😅🤣😂 So the tame sheep was a cannibal, as there were no paper at that time

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

@@aabraham3989 Not after Tame Sheep ate it, no. The verses on breast feedingg adult men and stoning *_>PUFF

[@aabraham3989]

@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable 1) Why do you think it's gone? 2) How do you know that that was revelation? 3) Is there Omissions in your corrupted bibles?

[@hellonoobplay_alt]

yk these hypocrites speak w/o knowledge they think theyre equal to one who has knowledge.

[@shamsdoha952]

Quran : Allah says : ' I have revealed the Quran I shall preserved Quran ".

[@jenitagomes2401]

God is truth...Jesus said I am truth life...only God can judge...Jesus is coming to judge the living n death on the judgment day. Jesus hv mercy forgive all...God deliver all from evil...give grace to accept the truth n b saved.. unite all your children in your Love n truth

[@A-h.m.e-d]

forget whatever religious bias you have for a second how naive can you be to believe this dude was a former Saudi Arabian muslim, and not just any muslim, but a fundamentalist wahabi muslim at that. although i admire his dedication to wear a traditional Saudi Arabian outfit (despite living in america) to complete the charade religious people (both muslims and christians) are so easily manipulated, it's sad and hilarious at the same time. reminds me of the frauds on the other side also, you know...the ones who say they left christianity because they found the truth in islam that's why scamming people in the name of religion is the easiest type of scams because a religious person's mind is already conditioned to believe anything that confirms his already existing ideas

[@shahadathkadir]

This absurd idea that Jesus came to die for our sins & he is one in a Trinity of gods he is the begotten ( Not made ) son of God were all Roman pagan beliefs introduced by Paul, a Roman & former bounty hunter of the true followers of Christ the messiah. A man who never saw Jesus ( only in a dream , never ate with Jesus never prayed with Jesus was not a prophet or a disciple of Jesus. this was too appeal to the pagan Roman masses , who flocked to Christianity ?? Christ worshiping . Jesus himself said " we should SEEK FIRST, the Kingdom of Heaven ( Matt.6 :33 ) that is the realization that the Kingdom of Heaven should be the principal goal of every Christian life . But U follow Paul not Jesus .

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Christianity! What kind of a religion is it? What kind of religion is Christianity whose foundation is only based on the copied and plagiarized Hebrew Bible or Jewish book of Judaism, and distorted its translation from the Hebrew words into Greek words by the Bible scholars who shamelessly bragged that they are inspired by the Holy Spirit/Ghost? What kind of a religion is Christianity whose foundation is only based on the biography of Prophet jESUSs (pbuh) written in 4 gospels when in fact the term gospel is only a title of the book since no gospel/good news/revelations from God sent down to Jesus to be preached to the children of Israel (Jews) only, can be found? What kind of a religion is Christianity whose foundation is only based on the ridiculous fictional diary of Paul called the book of Acts? What kind of a religion is Christianity whose foundation is only based on the letters of Paul to the different churches of: 1). Romans, 2). Hebrews, 3). Corinthians, 4). Galatians, 5). Colossians, 6). Philippians, 7). Ephesians, 8). Thessalonians, in order to convince those churches that he is an apostle? What kind of a religion is Christianity whose foundation is only based on the letters of Paul to the different individuals like: 1). Timothy, 2). Titus, 3). Philemon, 4). James, 5). John, 6). Judas and 7). Peter in his desperate attempt to be recognized as an apostle, but nobody in his lifetime ever recognized him to be such? What kind of a religion is Christianity whose foundation is only based on the dream of John dreamed 150 years after the alleged death of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) after writing his so-called gospel of John, a dream he put into writing after he woke up from sleep and called it the book of Revelations, when in fact it is nothing but a book of fantasy? So, Christianity is an empty religion. Hence, those who follow this religion will find themselves falling into the unfathomable abyss with no hope of being rescued. Salvation is zero in the Hereafter. -06-17-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

As per my study, it's the 4 make-believe gospels that are written in the wrong language. The true original Gospel is written in Aramaic. But Jay Smith and Abdul Fadi are evading to let their books be put under scrutiny. So, to hide the falsehood of the 4 make-believe gospels, they diverted the attention of the viewers to the Qur'an which is written in its original Arabic language. Dig up first the original Aramaic Gospel. That is the best contribution you could do to the whole Christendom, -06-21-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Why is it the BIOGRAPHY of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is TOTALLY HOLEY? And why the Christians are not fully aware about this HOLE? Is the story of the life of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) not important to them when in fact, they should oblige themselves to know every minute detail of it? What is the use of venerating him when they know only a little about him? As can be observed that in spite of the 4 narratives depicted in the 4 make-believe gospels, the 4 Greek writers failed to give the full account of the life of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). The narrative started from year 1 which tells about his miraculous conception and his birth, and then it jumped immediately to year 30 which tells about his preaching of the Aramaic Gospel to the children of Israel (Jews), and ended in year 33 where he was allegedly crucified and ascended to heaven. 28 years from year 2 to year 29 which comprised the primetime of his life are unaccounted for. Indeed, what a BIG, BIG HOLE it is!!! Such a man who hailed from a miraculous beginning cannot escape the curious and inquisitive eyes of the people. So, it could not be that there is no narrative for those 28 years. It could not be that out of his 33 years on earth, only 5 years were accounted for and having narrative. Those 28 years must have been replete with tremendous meaningful and wonderful activities. It could not be that after he ascended to heaven, people of his time blew all the memories about him into oblivion. The story of such a man like him who is revered and venerated by the people cannot easily be forgotten. But why did the 4 Greek writers skip the account of the primetime of his life? Is there something fishy that needs to be hidden? One cannot help to cast doubt that there is really something fishy in the narratives of the biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). Indeed, I smell something fishy. -08-03-23

[@DefenderOfChrist_]

Islam is not the truth

[@defenderoftruth3212]

If you take coins as your paradigm for the existence of a certain individual, then the question must be thrown back to you, Mr. Jay Smith. Did you find any coin during the time of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) to establish his existence? If coins are your basis for your allegation about the non-existence of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), then produce coins that prove the existence of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). If you cannot produce, then your allegation is totally false and baseless. -07-06-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

If Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is god, why is he NOT HANDSOME? Why there was not a single woman who got attracted to him? Being god, he must be the handsomest man that ever lived on earth. But why Joseph (Yusuf), son of Jacob, was the most handsome man on earth wherein all the women got attracted to him? Even the wife of the King tried to seduce him. I would not include how handsome Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was, lest I would be accused of being biased. But what is worth mentioning is that most women wanted to have him as a husband. A god must possess all attributes that can never be found in any human being, whether physical or spiritual. But in the case of Prophet jESUS (pbuh), Yusuf surpassed him overwhelmingly in physical appearance. Can God be surpassed by His creation? -08-15-23

[@shahadathkadir]

Of the 6,000 manuscripts u boast about no two are the same. Neither were they originals as the originals were lost a long time ago. They were copies of the original in some cases copies of the copies of the original. Then there were 19 Books that were in the Bible for thousands of years that were removed a little over 200 years ago.. The Gospel of Mary was deemed " unorthodox by the men who shaped the nascient Catholic Church, it was excluded from the Canon & subsequently removed from the history of Christianity . The Book of Enoch, the gospel of Barnabas, the Book of Judas & Thomas . And yet u claim u have the inspired words of God. What u really have are a few words of God as Paul made sure of that .He was responsible for 82 % of the Bible as it is today.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

PRIESTS WHO FLOCKED TO ISLAM After realizing that Christianity is FALSE. 1). Archbishop Viacheslav Polosin, Russia, 2). Hilarion Heagy, USA, now Said Abdul Latif, 20 years as priest, 3). Vladimir Urgyumuv, Russia, over 30 years as an Orthodox Catholic priest, 4). Paul Dennet, now Idris Tawfiq, former priest in Rome, 5). Rev. Anthony Swany, now Ayub Abdur Rahman, 6). Samuel Earle Shrogsire, USA, now Yusuf Muhammad, 7). Russell Ogston, now Yusuf Ogston, former Anglican priest, , 8). Prof. Craig Victor, US Cathoilic priest, now Ishmael Fenter, 9). Prof. Sue Watson, now Khadija Watson, a female pastor for 7 years, 10). Ann Holmes Redding, female priest of Episcopal Church for 25 years, 11). Weis Mark Bangura, Sierra Leone, Africa 12). Leif Sjetne, now Ahmed, Sweden, 30 years as priest, 13). Amar Abdurahman Sykes, (present name), USA 14). Said Muhammad Urumov, (present name), Russia 15). Polosin Vyacheslov Sergeyevich, Russia 16). Janice Huff, now Amina Assilmi, female priest, USA 17). Anthony George Baker, USA 18). Bishop David Benjamin Gardani, now Abdul Ahad Dawud, Catholic Bishop. 19). Rev. Richard Kiper, Catholic minister for 40 years 20). Yusuf Estes, Catholic minister 21). Joshua Evans, Catholic youth minister 22). 600 priests in Africa. 23). And still counting. You can watch their testimonies on YT. This is something to reckon with as to why. -07-11-23

[@akameel]

Actually it’s you guys who are hopeless. The Quran and Islam cannot be defeated because they’re from the GOD who created you and everything in the universe…

[@youngpastor6114]

📜🐒 ISLAM IS HERE TO STAY !!! (UNSTOPPABLE) .......... 🦏

[@Lu-jn8ip]

When you guys decide how many gods you have then you can criticize Islam. It's an embarrassing when Jay smith is educating you guys.

[@lucindaoconnor6425]

But your Quran say Allah blessed Allah and your Allah have 2 left arms and 5 fingers and one leg.

[@Lu-jn8ip]

@@lucindaoconnor6425 give me references please. Don't make a claims without references. Watch debates with Muslims and Jay Smith. Don't listen to his preaching.

[@miahi2356]

@@lucindaoconnor6425 ignore the person they’ll always be like this until Jesus changes him /them Anything after Jesus our lord is false and what came after the deception you can see it’s the devil… where God goes the devil follows, even the story of Mary in Islam completely diff than the true story in the Bible it’s like unbelievable the freckin devil wants to really deceive it’s like my God! Muhammad is a fag 🤮 I’m an ex Muslim praise God 🙏🏻 ignore the Muslims They’ll come to christ eventually the truth will set you free ❤🥰🙏🏻🥹

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Why no single Muslim hates Prophet jESUs (pbuh)? Why all Christians hate Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)? Muslims love all the prophets, including Prophet jESUs (pbuh). But Christians can hardly accord the same kind of love to them. Is it their innate attitude to love only Prophet jESUs (pbuh), and hate the other prophets. Is this an indication that their upbringing is to spread hate as being taught by their religion? Hate begets violence. It would mean therefore, that they are the forerunner of violence. -07-08-23

[@athmanidi7388]

Why do you wasting your time with Muslims . Start with your Book the BIBLE WITH 83 book 73 books 66 books.. and who is According to According TO. Muslim they know when Muhammad s.a.w.w was about to live. He told the Muslims that He going and he is living behind 2 weighty thing. The Book of Allah QUR'AN and my Sunna. So the so the book of God was there. Written by ALI BIN ABITWALIB AND ZAID BIN THABIT. , SO ANY Hadhith contradic the HADITHI The Muslims have freedom to except or the HADITHI or delete from Sahih HADITHI

[@trevorgriffiths5611]

Oh dear.. Islam just keeps getting faker and faker .. Essentially islam is just a really bad mythology.. That’s about the best you can say about it.

[@tommynoblethecouncilofheav4657]

Can you show any verse ( as muslims like to cherry pick verses) that contradicts another verse from another Bible translation ? That would be a giant NO plus regardless of which translation of the Bible used all still have the four Gospels .

[@mihawk-7764]

​@@tommynoblethecouncilofheav4657 They just try harder . They created this theory so no one converts to Christianity. I wish I could find one Muslim that can pull up a manuscript that contradicts the Torah now and agrees with Quran Waiting For anyone 😐

[@josephj5050]

There is nothing in the Quran which advocates stoning as a punishment,only lashing is advocated by Allah So, Where did Mohammed get his authority to stone people from? Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar : The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque." Sahih Bukhari 2:23:413