The Birmingham Folios aren’t Islamic?!?- Sources of Islam with Dr. Jay - Episode 31

In 2015, Dr. David Thomas believed that a Qu’ran had been found that actually dated back to M uhammad’s lifetime - the first ever. This would be a huge win for Islam, but are those dates actually accurate, and is the text, or rather excerpts, actually Muhammad’s teachings? To begin with, in reality, a Qu’ran was not found. Simply 2 pages were found (only 33 verses) that appear in the Qu’ran and also fit the dating of Muhammad’s life. Watch as Al Fadi and Dr. Jay review the text only to discover that the manuscript is most likely of Christian origin - not Islamic. Each excerpt predates Islam, predates Muhammad, and predates the Qu’ran.
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[@Cheeky_Sheikhy]

Dont tell them this during ramadan... theyll probably cry and bomb something. They're especially touchy while "fasting"😂

[@user-hf8zv7qw4l]

😂😂😂

[@jackgoslee707]

Yet they "pig" out..feast after sundown..& before sunrise..

[@alonzoharris9049]

I have reported your comment. Christians are showing their true colors. It’s your god that commanded numbers 31:17. Let’s see if you denounce violence against innocent people. Do you condemn the command of numbers 31:17? Let’s see how loving Christians are. 🫠

[@bngr_bngr]

Ramadan started yesterday.

[@section5760]

@@bngr_bngr I feel sorry for anyone named dan?? 🤫🤫👍🏼😉😉

[@Martin-lv1xw]

Thank you guys for the great work.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Martin ... Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@truthcrusader4521]

What didn't Islam rip off/plagiarize when it comes to the Quran?

[@wandering_circles7487]

That you can have sex with prepubescent kids... Islam / Muhammad came up with that on his own. XD

[@falkenauge4.0ace8]

Jihad

[@truthcrusader4521]

@@falkenauge4.0ace8 They probably ripped off jihad from some pre Islamic pagan religion.

[@coolbuddydude1]

Miraculous camel urine. Allah knows best.

[@truthcrusader4521]

@@falkenauge4.0ace8 Don't forget mutah.

[@sifu9683]

Very nice gentlemen! Glory to God for your growth 🙏 and sharing with the rest of us!

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@sifu ... Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@TruthPrevails101]

Has anybody got the full translation of the Birmingham Folio?

[@sifu9683]

@@defenderoftruth3212 for sure, he is due his wages...just as st. Paul and other Apostles. He works for his pay...which is a blessing for all his work. You mention he doesn't have his own work? Again, just like the Apostles, he continues to build on the foundation by those who came before him. Jay gives credit to whom it is do, and only takes credit for putting it all together for all of us to learn and share! Glory to God!!! We need more people like Dr. Jay Smith 🙏

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@sifu9683 .... You need people like Jay Smith who brings you from light to darkness. You need people like him who will lead you to Hell, instead of Paradise. This is what you can say in the Hereafter: "Our Lord, please double to him the punishment we are suffering now. If not because of him, we would have submitted to Your will." -10-28-23

[@sifu9683]

@defenderoftruth3212 I'm an Orthodox christian ☦️ (5:82), and like that dr. Jay Smith gets alot of historic materials from Church sources (and outside 😳 heretical sources)..glory to God!

[@joeshaer777]

Brothers Dr. Jay and Al-Fadi - I was hoping you would delve/investigate the actual claims about the Birmingham manuscript being written during the time of the prophet. The fact is, the Arabic orthography found in these manuscripts do not coincide with the time-frame as that of the carbon dating of the parchments. In other words - the Arabic writing style on these parchments are a much later add-on (way after the death of Muhammad) to the older parchments. During the time of Muhammad - the Arabs did not have a well established writing style as found on these parchments. Instead, Arabs during Muhammad's time used a very simplistic style of writing taken from the Nabateans. I urge you to look into this to help debunk the claim 'Muslims have copies of the Quran written during Muhammad's time'. May the Lord bless you both

[@alonzoharris9049]

What’s your calibration tool to date manuscripts?🫠 Do you accept palaeography? Palaeography completely debunks all Jay Smith own made up claims. There are no honest Christians who call out the nonsense and lies of Jay Smith. Which scholar claims that the Birmingham manuscript is not a Quranic manuscript?🤥🫠

[@bngr_bngr]

@@alonzoharris9049most of the Quran is just badly told stories that Muhammad heard at one point. That’s why it took him so long to tell his story. God didn’t take that long to write the 10 commandments.

[@alonzoharris9049]

@@bngr_bngr Your bible is full of plagiarised material. Christians who are making these claims about others.🤣

[@joeshaer777]

@@alonzoharris9049 I've responded earlier but do not see my comment for some reason. I do not have the energy to re-write but in a nutshell: It is one thing to radio carbon the material and another to date based on writing (paleography). The latter trumps any radio-carboning of the materials. Some scholars - such as Muhammad al Msiyah and Qasim al-Samiraii - demonstrate that the parchment of the Birmingham manuscript is OLDER than the writing itself. Such scholars have estimated, based on the writing, the Birmingham manuscripts are actually 2-3rd Century AH (way after Muhammad). This is because the Arabs during Muhammad's time did not write in the same manner as we see in the Birmingham manuscripts (i.e. Hijazi script, red ink, spacing, dotting, etc). The Arabs wrote in a far more simplistic manner closer to the Nabateans. I'm guessing my initial comment was blocked because I supplied links and articles. I won't do it this time - you are free to research this. Bottom line - the Birmingham manuscripts are NOT as old as Muslims claim.

[@sheikhboyardee556]

@@alonzoharris9049 Alonzo, I'm sorry, but you need a new religion. Even you must realize it's not going well for islam.

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

Islam's own Shabir Ali admitted on camera that the palimpsest was erased and rewritten. He said that they always knew about the different Qurans with different words and meanings and Muslims are repeating what they've been told. His admission is very similar to Sheikh Yasir Qadhi who said that the standard narrative has holes in it and doesn't answer pressing questions from western scholars who are very right about points they bring up.

[@trevorgriffiths5611]

@jazzymiles miles Try sticking to the video “BOZO” .. Islam the religion of lies..

[@alphamegansw]

@jazzymiles miles learn English first ….and by the way , there is ZERO REQUIREMENTs for Christian’s to do so…lol…Islam is lost…

[@ankur7773]

@jazzymiles miles ABDUL CAME AGAIN TO INSULT HIMSELF🤣🤣

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Mo was 51, Aisha was 6 ... Can you enlighten me on the following holes? 1. From what source/s did Mark plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as Mark's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? 2. From what source/s did Matthew plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as Matthew's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? 3. From what source/s did Luke plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as Luke's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? 4. From what source/s did John plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled as John's make-believe gospel? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? 5. From what source/s did Paul plagiarizes the verses he put in his letters to the different churches of: 1). Romans; 2). Hebrews; 3). Corinthians; 4). Galatians; 5). Colossians; 6). Philippians; 7). Ephesians; 8). Thessalonians? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? 6. From what source/s did Paul plagiarizes the verses he put in his letters to the different individuals like:1). Timothy; 2). Titus; 3). Philemon; 4). James; 5). John; 6). Jude (Judas); 7). Peter? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? 7. From what source/s did Paul plagiarizes the verses he put in his ridiculous fictional diary called the book of Acts? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? 8. From what source/s did John plagiarizes the verses he put in his dream of fantasy which deceptively labeled as the book of Revelations? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? 9. Why is it the Bible writers copied and plagiarized word for word the Hebrew Bible or the Jewish book of Judaism and deceptively labeled it as the Old Testament, and afterward shamelessly bragged themselves that they are inspired by the Holy Spirit? 10. Where is the Aramaic Gospel, a book sent by God to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) to be preached to the children of Israel (Jews)? -03-26-23

[@ankur7773]

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[@mussaratjalal2433]

Thanks for your great work. God bless you both.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Musarat Jalal ... Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@LetsGo-ik7zm]

Birmingham folly 😂

[@sheikhboyardee556]

That's good, I like that. I wished I had thought of it.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@sheikhboyardee556 ... No matter what kind of destruction you would apply on the Holy Qur'an, it would not succeed. Holy Qur'an will always be the same from the beginning to the end of times. Unlike the Bible, it remains an empty book. -04-05-23

[@sheikhboyardee556]

@@defenderoftruth3212 Did you mean to say that? "Unlike the Bible, it (the Quran) remains an empty book." I must agree with you. The Quran is about as empty as any book could be. It cannot be understood in any language. Allah must have been drunk on those rivers of wine when he passed like that down. Thank God Islam will be gone in 50 years.

[@rockzalt]

Maybe this is what Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi is seeing in these gaps. When he "misspoke" about using the words, "holes in the narrative". He now knows there are Christians and Jews in the narrative. It would be an academic breakthrough in his career to speak the truth, a type of road to Damascus journey for him and become a servant of God rather than a slave to a long dead seventh century warlord.

[@alonzoharris9049]

What are the holes? I don’t want your opinion. What does he consider to be a hole?

[@sheikhboyardee556]

@@alonzoharris9049 My Gosh, Alonzo, stop playing ignorance. You've been around for a long time & seem all the videos so you know the massive holes in the Holey Quran. Don't expect anyone to waste their time explaining them to you.

[@Atarashijidai]

@@sheikhboyardee556 that's all the muslims can do,play ignorance,coz the sentence "ignorance is bliss"is made for the muslims.

[@TesseRact7228]

@@alonzoharris9049 Take Yasir Qadhi's class...

[@rockzalt]

@@alonzoharris9049 You shouldn't comment without watching the video first.

[@carollafontaine7690]

Muhammad and Allah are the one and same person.

[@shahrahman4368]

C L - Not like human God Jesus Christ.

[@annemurphy9339]

@@shahrahman4368 Yeshua ha’Mashiach is not a created being but the eternally existent second person of the triune Godhead who came to earth in the mortal body of His own creation. He lived the perfect/sinless life no fallen mortal could ever live, keeping perfectly every jot and tittle of the Mosaic/Judaic Law. He alone could atone for the sins of fallen man - being fully human yet fully God - and He gave up His life on the cross or no mortal could have taken it from Him. Yeshua stepped out of that body triumphant over sin and death for all wise enough to accept His free gift. Then He proved He is exactly who He says He is - Yehovah God - by reanimating that lifeless body after three days, exactly as He said He would.

[@Samshamfam]

How come the Arabic bibles say Allah?

[@temporaryaccount5307]

@@Samshamfam how come the Arabic Bible says allh has a son amd that son created the universe? Don’t ask stoopid questions.

[@rosotte3586]

Chances are strong that both are myths and never existed.

[@oneblueorange]

What a fabulous presentation!

[@hmao4466]

I learnt a lot. Thank you.

[@jesamsulaeman533]

Haleluya Amen

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Jesam Sulaeman ... Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@kembekanana]

Soon Alonzo Harris, General JG, Aaron H and Rocky Balboa will come and preach their three gods agenda.... However, the more they do that, the more my faith in The LORD JESUS CHRIST is confirmed and increased...

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Bosley Boting ... How unfortunate for our prophet, Prophet jESUs (pbuh). He was being made a man-made pagan god by the Romans as a substitute for Emperor Romulus who mysteriously disappeared from his chariot during a parade at a town plaza when a lightning struck it. The Romans believed that their emperor ascended to heaven and became one of the brightest stars called Uranus. And so they worshipped Uranus as their pagan god. But when the Romans made their conquest to other countries, they substituted Uranus to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their pagan god since Uranus did not anymore appeal well to their conquered countries. Under the guise of spreading religion, they thought that making Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as a front for their religious campaign, it will them make easy to convince the people to bow to them. Thus, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) became the rallying cry of the Romans. And they were successful. So, up to today, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) becomes the god of Christianity. Maybe, before Christianity, the Romans had thought of the idea that the name of their religion would be Romanticity, or Romanticism. But their bishops maintained the name of their religion as Christianity since they are using Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their god. It is for this reason that no Jew in Israel, a place where he came from, did not recognize him as some kind of a divine being. Thus, the Jews maintained their religion as Judaism. Christianity thrived only in Rome. Hence, the name "Jesus" does not ring a bell today in Israel. If you ask a Jew today in Israel if he knows "Jesus", his answer will be a resounding NO.!!! 03-26-23

[@ophelian4646]

Ha ha, I agree. It's always fun to find him in these comments sections. He probably has ten plus accounts and you learn to spot his "style" pretty easy.

[@kembekanana]

@@defenderoftruth3212 You say Jesus is not known in Israel today, BUT you claim He is your Prophet. Now the Question is: Unto which people did Jesus was sent to as a prophet? Isnt that double standard? You also say that Jesus is Born of Virgin Mary as a Word of ALLAH through his Spirit. You claim that Jesus is HOLY, and a mighty messenger, and BORN through the Power of The Holy Spirit, yet, YOU DENY that GOD cannot have a SON. Isnt that double Standard? You deny that Jesus is not known in Israel, but proclaim that he is a prophet sent to the Jews. You say that Jesus is born of a virgin as a WORD from Allah, but DENY that HE is THE SON OF GOD... Brother, the Islamic LOGIC is mind blowing...

[@theastronomer5800]

Remember that radiocarbon dating of mss is not reliable. If "Dr" Jay Smith was being honest he would know/mentions this... Sometimes we have mss that are exactly dated and the carbon dates are way off. You want to you paleography. For the Birmingham mss, many experts (Saud al-Sarhan, Director of Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, Süleyman Berk of the faculty of Islamic studies at Yalova University, François Déroche of the Collège de France, Mustafa Shah, Senior Lecturer in Islamic Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies, Marijn van Putten) date it to later (post-Uthmanic) based on the style - grammatical marks and verse separators, chapter separators and dotted verse endings. There is a strong similarity between the script of the Birmingham leaves and those of a number of Hijazi Qurans in the Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum. Marijn van Putten has published work on idiosyncratic orthography common to all early manuscripts of the Uthmanic text type has stated and demonstrated with examples that due to a number of these same idiosyncratic spellings present in the Birmingham mss, it is "clearly a descendant of the Uthmanic text type" and that it is "impossible" that it is a pre-Uthmanic copy.

[@YeshuaGuidethemall]

@Bosley Boting Their so called prophet isa means horse/camel semen, if a muslim tells you they love Jesus, they don't, they just love animal semen ☠️

[@Patriot_316]

10:22 Hatun, the 5ft Giant

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@AdamosDad]

When everyone is infected with the same brain-rotting madness, no-one is going to take exception to it. That this psychosis should still be defended by so-called ‘scholars’ and still causing misery around the world after 1400 years is a sad reflection on humanity. Or else, it is proof positive of the activity of a malign spirit.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@AdamosDad ... Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@danielganesh55]

You articulated it well

[@DG-sn2js]

Mohammed’s Folly!

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@D G ... How unfortunate for our prophet, Prophet jESUs (pbuh). He was being made a man-made pagan god by the Romans as a substitute for Emperor Romulus who mysteriously disappeared from his chariot during a parade at a town plaza when a lightning struck it. The Romans believed that their emperor ascended to heaven and became one of the brightest stars called Uranus. And so they worshipped Uranus as their pagan god. But when the Romans made their conquest to other countries, they substituted Uranus to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their pagan god since Uranus did not anymore appeal well to their conquered countries. Under the guise of spreading religion, they thought that making Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as a front for their religious campaign, it will them make easy to convince the people to bow to them. Thus, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) became the rallying cry of the Romans. And they were successful. So, up to today, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) becomes the god of Christianity. Maybe, before Christianity, the Romans had thought of the idea that the name of their religion would be Romanticity, or Romanticism. But their bishops maintained the name of their religion as Christianity since they are using Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their god. It is for this reason that no Jew in Israel, a place where he came from, did not recognize him as some kind of a divine being. Thus, the Jews maintained their religion as Judaism. Christianity thrived only in Rome. Hence, the name "Jesus" does not ring a bell today in Israel. If you ask a Jew today in Israel if he knows "Jesus", his answer will be a resounding NO.!!! 03-26-23

[@user-lo1sc6wv6t]

Jesus married own mother

[@tonykhoury5522]

Facinating!

[@eego_ismee007]

interview's video of prof. qasim al samarrai is interesting as well.

[@joecurran2811]

Very interesting

[@AsiaAbubaker-to7er]

They blame more islam spread more❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go My way, and you shall seek Me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, you cannot come. :22 Then said the Jews, will He kill Himself? Because He says, whither I go, you cannot come. :23 And He said unto them, you are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world. :24 I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am He, you shall die in your sins.

[@annemurphy9339]

Amen.

[@anthonydcosta6860]

Amen.❤

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Mysteries made Known ... Can you enlighten me if from what source/s did John plagiarizes the verses he put in the holey biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he deceptively labeled it as the make-believe gospel of John? How can you be sure that the verses he plagiarized are true and correct? -03-26-23

[@annemurphy9339]

@@defenderoftruth3212 You must lie awake nights over muhammad’s blatant plagiarism of the holy Bible, both the Torah/Old Testament & New Testament, and also over his plagiarism of ancient Syriac scrolls.

[@mysteriesmadeknown2874]

@Defender of Truth Matthew 16:23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.

[@briansimons9472]

Stephen Shoemaker has pointed out that early Qur'anic manuscripts that are Carbon dated in more than one centre tend to produce very different ranges of dates. This indicates that there seems to be a problem with Middle Eastern manuscripts and Carbon dating. Consequently, dating of those manuscripts is not to be accepted without palaeographic analysis too.

[@Rafa-dh4wh]

To make the presentation even more powerful, why don't you put up copies the Greek original account De situ terrae sanctae, written between 518 and 531, records the existence of a church dedicated to the sleepers in Ephesus and earliest Syriac manuscript copy MS Saint-Petersburg No. 4, which dates to the fifth century, ALONG SIDE the Birmingham folios? Another sixth-century version, in a Syrian manuscript in the British Museum (Cat. Syr. Mss, p. 1090), gives eight sleepers.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Rafa ... Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@paulthomas281]

Great work men!

[@theastronomer5800]

Not really. They forget to mention the most important point - that radiocarbon dating of mss is not reliable. Sometimes we have mss that are exactly dated and the carbon dates are way off. You want to you paleography. For the Birmingham mss, many experts (Saud al-Sarhan, Director of Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, Süleyman Berk of the faculty of Islamic studies at Yalova University, François Déroche of the Collège de France, Mustafa Shah, Senior Lecturer in Islamic Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies, Marijn van Putten) date it to later (post-Uthmanic) based on the style - grammatical marks and verse separators, chapter separators and dotted verse endings. There is a strong similarity between the script of the Birmingham leaves and those of a number of Hijazi Qurans in the Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum. Marijn van Putten has published work on idiosyncratic orthography common to all early manuscripts of the Uthmanic text type has stated and demonstrated with examples that due to a number of these same idiosyncratic spellings present in the Birmingham mss, it is "clearly a descendant of the Uthmanic text type" and that it is "impossible" that it is a pre-Uthmanic copy.

[@paulthomas281]

@@theastronomer5800 Thank you for your comment. Much appreciated. So, by post-Uthmanic, are we talking about last quarter of the 7th century or early 8th century? How much later in time?

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Didn't Uthman burn away the seven modes/systems and now there's just the 7 (or 10) recitations? It's always the wrong move to burn books 📚. Anybody have surviving modes/systems tucked away?

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

Yes. They were still throwing Qurans into the Nile River after they made Hafs, less than a hundred years ago.

[@emmanuelnkantion2532]

That's true, Muslims don't read or study they mostly depends on common men as in leaders who continue telling them lies upon lies just to favor there many wives and hold up mansions...praise be to Jesus

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@OD ... Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@TruthPrevails101]

Has anybody got the full translation of the Birmingham Folio?

[@TheStraightPath-px8mk]

We already know this is waffle when he said "This is the Quran that Muhammad read. This is the Quran that Muhammad wrote."

[@bibledynasty5050]

A blow to islam

[@starrysky5190]

Birmingham folly: 33 out of 6236 verses (only 3 chapters: 33 out of 343 verses) Birmingham folly is not a full qur'an. 1. Ch 18: 17-31 (The 7 Sleepers of Ephesus [512 AD], written by Syrian Bishop Jacob of Sarug) 2. Ch 19:91-98 (Proto-Evangelium of James [145AD] and The Pseudo Gospel of Matthew [600AD]) 3. Ch 20:1-40 (The story of Moses [1400BC])

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Starry Sky ... Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@YounisShah-ln7sr]

Where is the full bible of the 1 century?

[@StoicG223]

Dead Sea Scrolls....

[@StoicG223]

Dead Sea Scrolls

[@jesamsulaeman533]

Mantap Amen

[@penitoanikeve7288]

So even the Birmingham manuscripts are not Islamic then what is there remaining, as the oldest Islamic manuscripts?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@gentz8310]

I knew it

[@defenderoftruth3212]

From where did the Bible come from, and to whom it was being sent? Who was the sender, and who was the recipient? -06-10-23

[@NowLedgeOutpost]

Lol you guys are hilarious.

[@vinpen5662]

But didn’t the prophet could not read or write, so who wrote it?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@carollafontaine7690]

✝✝

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Is it not worth pondering upon as to why the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL cannot still be produced by the Christian scholars up to now? If I were a Christian, I would give a second look on my faith since I have no book from God to serve as my basis for my spirituality and religiosity. I would not hesitate to give a second thought by questioning the genuineness of the source of my faith which come only from the opinions and ideas of different men. How could it be that their words become the words of God? Am I in the right track? Or, should I now shift lane to erase the doubts bothering me? Or, should I choose procrastination until the original Aramaic Gospel would surface from oblivion? But my end is getting nearer and nearer every day. I have to act now and waste not a second. I have to choose the religion whose book comes from God. With that, I am sure that I am following the words of God, and not the words of men. I am certain now that I have a better place to go to. Paradise. -06-05-23

[@Got-it747]

Did I just hear Dr. Jay say that Muslims said that this is "this is the Qur'an that Muhammad [peace and blessings of ALLAH be upon him] *wrote* "? Obviously no knowledgeable Muslim says that. Ask the right people, Dr. Jay. I do not even know why people take Dr. Jay to be a serious person.

[@rusuriasuria9989]

What about other things Dr Jay said in this video Any comment besides what you said above?

[@Got-it747]

@@rusuriasuria9989 absolutely.

[@Got-it747]

@@rusuriasuria9989 When Dr. Jay tells you "this passage comes *straight from* the bible" do not take him serious.

[@rusuriasuria9989]

@@Got-it747 Nonsense The video expose Islam

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@rusuriasuria9989 ... Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@josefa6064]

On Answering Islam I found an old article by Jay Smith about this manuscript. Unfortunately it is not possible to insert the link. In that article he did not write that in the verses of Surah 19 there is a part of the proto-gospel of James. He wrote correctly: [19:91-98] Statements that Allah does not take to himself a son [91-94] all people are slaves with Him having full power over their Judgment [95-96] believe and do deeds of righteousness will result in His love for them [97-98] The Qur’an is easy in the prophet’s own tongue to warn his people. Why does Mr. Smith now invent something that is not in the text? Why does he not remain at the truth? Does he really think to convince a Muslim in that way? Truth will prevail! I am disappointed about this argumentation. It makes it more difficult to convince Muslims. They simply have to check the verses of the quran and will see that they were lied.

[@aaabrams1889]

Jay smith is a habitual liar and will chop and change whatever he fancy to malign Islam. What is your problem with Muslims? THE PROBLEM is that you think that the Quran copied from previous scriptures but fail to realize that the Quran came TO CORRECT all the corruption made by men, so obviously similar Stories are shared. THE DEEPER PROBLEM is that you think that Mohammad (saw) made-up a New religion. ISLAM and copied from previous scriptures.

[@josefa6064]

Are the verses mentioned correct? Surah 19:91-98 (Arberry): 91 that they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; 92 and it behoves not the All-merciful to take a son. 93 None is there in the heavens and earth but he comes to the All-merciful as a servant; 94 He has indeed counted them, and He has numbered them exactly. 95 Every one of them shall come to Him upon the Day of Resurrection, all alone. 96 Surely those who believe and do deeds of righteousness -- unto them the All-merciful shall assign love. 97 Now We have made it easy by thy tongue that thou mayest bear good tidings thereby to the godfearing, and warn a people stubborn. 98 And how many a generation We destroyed before them! Dost thou perceive so much as one of them, or hear of them a whisper? I know the proto-gospel of James. These verses are not there. I am not a muslim and I would like to use your arguments. But before I say something I check the argument. This argument I cannot and will not use. I have to be aware that the muslim I want to convince knows the quran better than I do.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

It looks like Jay Smith and Abdul Fadi become irritatingly jealous when they could read something beautiful are written about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they want is that all writers would always go by their line of thinking of always finding faults against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and that what they should write will always be about his bad sides. If only they have a supernatural power to squeeze the intelligence of Michael H. Hart and the likes of him, they would do so to make them write anything negative only about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they lose sight of the fact is that they cannot suppress the intelligence of the writers and their independence to write. They cannot make them succumbed to their evil motives. -06-03-23

[@MarcelAlhind-sr8mv]

I'm going to translate this video into Malayalam and Hindi

[@salancy3279]

💐✝️💐❤️👌🙏

[@defenderoftruth3212]

According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -05-09-23

[@embmaxim.3340]

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[@rewereset1584]

Imagine pretending to find something in doing so trying to makes lies true ? I mean what wouldn't they do or what ain't they capable of ha? Plus I wonder what tea they used to stain them to make them look old ha? Enough said 🙏🏻

[@rewereset1584]

Imagine pretending to find something in doing so trying to makes lies true ? I mean what wouldn't they do or what ain't they capable of ha? Seriously plus I'm positive not only did I read it but saw news reporting of it with reporters outside the restaurant where these piece's of paper were supposedly found behind plasterboard whilst refurbishing a Indian restaurant toilet ishhhroom ok and I'm positive of what I say to the extent if anyone can get those news reporting on it since goggle has been paid to take them all down I'll pay 10k English for those news reports I'm a man of my words ok seriously I mean what next ? Seriously what next ha? Plus all involved in and around those pieces of paper etc go check the names behind it all apart from the 1 or 2 who were paid off ok but the rest of the names go see ok seriously this is just phewwww man this sort of desperation is very sick and ill and bad as you CANNOT MAKE A LIE INTO THE truth ok NO YOU CANNOT imagine Birmingham UK a hotspot of many many different abduls ha? Need I say anymore ???

[@Notreallyhereanymore]

These conspiracies are getting crazier by the day

[@flaviocolnago8453]

I watched this video, then took a quick look at Wikipedia on the topic. I'm not a scholar and may be wrong, but it seems to me that the interpretation of Mr. Jay Smith is biased and omits some arguments in favor of the authenticity of the manuscript. As a Christian my god is the Truth and I can never use false arguments to help my Muslim friends to leave Islam.

[@Quantum_Cola]

Yep, he is very dishonest, and loves to speculate about the history to fit his own narrative

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Had the Christians made Prophet jESUs (pbuh) a DEVIL-IN DISGUISE and a BAD INFLUENCE? The answer is a BIG YES. Why? Because they assumed that his alleged “DEATH” is already a ransom for their sins. As such, they assured themselves that once they die they will enter Paradise. By this kind of ASSUMPTION, they can already do whatever EVIL things they want to do without fear of Hell in the Hereafter. But the big question is - Did Prophet jESUs (pbuh) made such kind of assurance? Or are they just making this up? What is the use of the Day of Judgment where God Himself will be The Sole Judge? Is it intended for the non-Christians only? -08-21-23

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

I only have one problem with what was said- there is no Qur'an from Muhammad's time. So how do we know the the Birmingham manuscript and Qur'an potentially overlapped in time?

[@JesusisaMuslim]

My channel debunks Christianity.

[@theastronomer5800]

They don't. Remember that radiocarbon dating of mss is not reliable, Dr. Smith should know this - sometimes we have mss that are exactly dated and the carbon dates are way off. You want to you paleography. For the Birmingham mss, many experts (Saud al-Sarhan, Director of Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, Süleyman Berk of the faculty of Islamic studies at Yalova University, François Déroche of the Collège de France, Mustafa Shah, Senior Lecturer in Islamic Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies, Marijn van Putten) date it to later (post-Uthmanic) based on the style - grammatical marks and verse separators, chapter separators and dotted verse endings. There is a strong similarity between the script of the Birmingham leaves and those of a number of Hijazi Qurans in the Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum. Marijn van Putten has published work on idiosyncratic orthography common to all early manuscripts of the Uthmanic text type has stated and demonstrated with examples that due to a number of these same idiosyncratic spellings present in the Birmingham mss, it is "clearly a descendant of the Uthmanic text type" and that it is "impossible" that it is a pre-Uthmanic copy.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

@@theastronomer5800 Christianity is false. My channel debunks Christianity.

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

@@theastronomer5800 Show me one, just one Uthmanic text. There isn't one, so how can there be an "Uthmanic text type"? And Dr. Jay Smith HAS mentioned many times that carbon dating of the ink is impossible and carbon dating is unreliable at best.

[@theastronomer5800]

@@kafirlindaclark6148 Hey Linda. Not my words... From what I understand mss experts study Uthmanic text-types. A text-type does not mean that it is a mss from the period of Uthman. From Putten's "The Grace of God” as evidence for a written Uthmanic archetype: the importance of shared orthographic idiosyncrasies" Cambridge, 2019: "Sadeghi defines the Uthmanic text type as agreeing with the text of the 1924 Cairo Edition of the Quran, a tradition that “reportedly began with the codices ʿUthmān disseminated as the ancestors of all the manuscripts in the textual tradition”. These codices all agree on: 1. the order of the surahs; 2. the order of the verses within each surah; and 3. the content of these verses in terms of individual words (Sadeghi and Bergmann Reference Sadeghi and Bergmann 2010: 347). The vast majority of known Quranic manuscripts (all but the Sanaa palimpsest, in fact) ARE OF THE UTHMANIC TEXT TYPE (my emphasis), and only minor variations are present in this text type." You can easily email Dr. van Putten for clarification on this - I'm pretty sure he know better than you or me what this exactly means and why it's called that, I do trust his wealth of knowledge and expertise on this topic and have listened to several excellent talks by him. Hope this helps. Cheers!

[@_BillyMandalay]

Zakir Naik thought he'd do some more grifting during this Ramadan, this time in Oman. The Indian embassy over there have requested that Oman deport him to India for trial.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Billy Mandalay ... If you take Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as your role model, you should fast 40 days without eating and drinking. Prophet Moses (pbuh) fasted for 40 days without eating and drinking. Prophet jESUs (pbuh) imitated Prophet Moses (pbuh). He also fasted for 40 days without eating and drinking. Being your god, he should be your role model. -04-05-23

[@shahrahman4368]

Folios - A question - which ones are Islamic, the fake and falls ones ?

[@maciejpieczula631]

This was interesting. Are there any folios that mention anything specifically Islamic, like Mohammed being a prophet or anything?

[@theastronomer5800]

Remember that radiocarbon dating of mss is not reliable, they forget to mention this... Sometimes we have mss that are exactly dated and the carbon dates are way off. You want to you paleography. For the Birmingham mss, many experts (Saud al-Sarhan, Director of Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, Süleyman Berk of the faculty of Islamic studies at Yalova University, François Déroche of the Collège de France, Mustafa Shah, Senior Lecturer in Islamic Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies, Marijn van Putten) date it to later (post-Uthmanic) based on the style - grammatical marks and verse separators, chapter separators and dotted verse endings. There is a strong similarity between the script of the Birmingham leaves and those of a number of Hijazi Qurans in the Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum. Marijn van Putten has published work on idiosyncratic orthography common to all early manuscripts of the Uthmanic text type has stated and demonstrated with examples that due to a number of these same idiosyncratic spellings present in the Birmingham mss, it is "clearly a descendant of the Uthmanic text type" and that it is "impossible" that it is a pre-Uthmanic copy.

[@maciejpieczula631]

@@theastronomer5800 they do mention that the carbon dating used is not really reliable.

[@zibdiali775]

لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا ٱلله I had a vision in which I’ve heard 1500 when I woke up the spirits guided me to open google and I’ve found 1 the Manuscript of Quran in Birmingham museum which is 1500 years old and second the life span of Muslim Ummah of Prophet Muhammad PBUH is 1500 years. I don’t have the Hadith saved with me as I am left with iPhone 5s at the moment. Vision dated 11 Jan 2023 *+(🔯✝️☪️

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Why is it that up to now the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL is still non-existent? The Christians boast of the thousands of manuscripts, but not a single one can be found from those manuscripts to serve as an evidence of its existence. It only means that the original Gospel, a book from God that He sent down to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) to serve as the spiritual guidance of the children of Israel (Jews), was not recorded and preserved. It only means that the Christians have no book at all to serve as the basis of their religion. It only means that their faith is only an exercise in futility. -06-01-23

[@gabrielahumza7714]

Pray and fast don't make yourself better then others

[@timfallon8226]

They don't fast. They just eat during the night instead of the day. Muslims actually eat more when 'fasting' for Ramadan.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

This claim of Jay Smith that the Birmingham Folios aren't Islamic is sheer jealousy. For he cannot produce a single folio of the the original Aramaic Gospel. How pitiful. -08-11-23

[@endpc5166]

Even the modern Qur'an is a clearly concocted mess. The Islamic scholar Ali Dashti (his Bk "23 Years") provides detailed lists of grammatical errors and syntactical impossibilities. He writes: _”The Qur’an includes incomplete sentences…there are foreign terms, expressions, and words that are unknown in Arabic but used anyway, and applied in ways that are different from their usual meanings. In the Qur’an, grammatical rules are ignored, regardless of whether it concerns the feminine or masculine gender, verb, noun, adjective, or adverbs. In addition, there are ill𝜊gical and grammatically inc𝜊rrect pronouns which in various places do not show any relation to each other.”_ God would not dictate thusly.

[@aaabrams1889]

Answer from Zakir Naik kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXqzZmSklrBkrZY

[@theastronomer5800]

Dashti's books is well worth the ready! Every Muslim should read it, sadly, they won't.

[@shaheedkareem9700]

The same guy who played dress up pretending to be a Muslim to convert Muslims to Christianity Wow! Jay smith y’all hero😂

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@MaverickSeventySeven]

Can someone PLEASE Explain that if 'Islam' was created some decades, even hundreds of years AFTER 642 AD Why there are references to the Mosques, Islam etc. BEFORE 632 AD!!!???

[@theastronomer5800]

What references are those? The Birmingham is dated to late-7th century by basically all mss experts based on paleography. As for the word mosque/masjid, the root word "sajada" (سَجَدَ) which the word "masjid" is derived from, is mentioned in pre-Islamic Arabic poetry in reference to prostration or bowing down in worship.

[@toddbeamer6131]

"Mosques, Islam etc. BEFORE 632 AD" Where? Even during the arab conquests across north africa none of the inhabitants recorded any mention of muslims, quran, or a prophet called muhammed.

[@theastronomer5800]

Oh Jay... Remember that radiocarbon dating of mss is NOT reliable. Sometimes we have mss that are exactly dated and the carbon dates are way off. You want to you paleography. For the Birmingham mss, many experts (Saud al-Sarhan, Director of Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, Süleyman Berk of the faculty of Islamic studies at Yalova University, François Déroche of the Collège de France, Mustafa Shah, Senior Lecturer in Islamic Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies, Marijn van Putten) date it to later (post-Uthmanic) based on the style - grammatical marks and verse separators, chapter separators and dotted verse endings. There is a strong similarity between the script of the Birmingham leaves and those of a number of Hijazi Qurans in the Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum. Marijn van Putten has published work on idiosyncratic orthography common to all early manuscripts of the Uthmanic text type has stated and demonstrated with examples that due to a number of these same idiosyncratic spellings present in the Birmingham mss, it is "clearly a descendant of the Uthmanic text type" and that it is "impossible" that it is a pre-Uthmanic copy.

[@A.Warner]

Why having similar stories is an issue? If we consider we have the same God, Allah, or Yahweh. We don’t change manuscripts as what happened to the old and New Testament. And we did not trust a Paul (Saul) who participated in killing early Christian’s. So before talking about minor concerns of Islam, check the blocks in Christianity.

[@louiesafi3116]

The NT GOSPELS - Evidence of Author's & Dates Written ▪︎ Matthew - A tax collector who became Jesus' apostle and wrote about the life of Jesus as the Messiah for the Jewish community c. 65 AD. ▪︎ Mark - A Jew, and a companion of Peter and Paul, who wrote for both Jews and Gentiles about Christ's death and resurrection c. 65 AD. ▪︎ Luke - A Gentile doctor, and a companion of Peter and Paul who wrote for the Gentiles about Christ the saviour for humankind. c. 60 AD ▪︎ Luke - also wrote the Acts of the Apostles c. 65 AD. ▪︎ John - The 'beloved' apostle of Jesus, wrote in his later years about the Word who took on Flesh (John 1:1,14) c. 80-90 AD. ▪︎ John - also wrote 3 Letters and The Book of Revelations c. 80-90 AD. ▪︎ James - Jesus' cousin, wrote 1 letter c. 35 AD. ▪︎ Paul - wrote 13 letters c.49 - 65 AD. ▪︎ Jude - wrote 1 letter c. 65 AD. ▪︎ Peter - wrote 2 letters c. 67 AD. ▪︎ The author of The Letter to Hebrews is unknown c. 65 AD. (Wikipedia). ▪︎ Jesus Christ's' ministry occurred between 27-30 A.D. ▪︎ Christianity began after the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ when thousands of Jews became followers of 'The Way' (Jesus). ▪︎ The New Testament scholar, F.F. Bruce, gives strong historical evidence that the New Testament was completed by A.D. 100. ▪︎ Most writings of the New Testament were completed twenty to forty years before 100 AD. (Wikipedia). ▪︎ The apostles and their companions wrote the New Testament from their first-hand experiences with Jesus. New Testament integrity is supported by historians, biblical and textual scholars, along with thousands of early codices, manuscripts and the Dead Sea Scrolls, proving the validity and preservation of the Gospels written between c. 35-90 A.D (Eusebius, Church History 111. 39 .15; Irenaeus Against Heresies, 111.1) INTERNAL Evidence: ▪︎ The internal evidence supports these early dates for several reasons. The first three Gospels prophesied the fall of the Jerusalem Temple which occurred in A.D. 70. However, the fulfillment is not mentioned. It is strange that these three Gospels predict this major event but do not record it happening. Why do they not mention such an important prophetic milestone? The most plausible explanation is that it had not yet occurred at the time Matthew, Mark, and Luke were written. ▪︎ In the book of Acts, the Temple plays a central role in the nation of Israel. Luke writes as if the Temple is an important part of Jewish life. He also ends Acts on a strange note: Paul living under house arrest. It is strange that Luke does not record the death of his two chief characters, Peter and Paul. The most plausible reason for this is that Luke finished writing Acts before Peter and Paul's martyrdom in A.D. 64. A significant point to highlight is that the Gospel of Luke precedes Acts, further supporting the traditional dating of c. A.D. 60. Most scholars agree Mark precedes Luke, making Mark's Gospel even earlier. ▪︎ Finally, the majority of New Testament scholars believe that Paul's epistles are written from A.D. 48-60. Paul's outline of the life of Jesus matches that of the Gospels. 1 Corinthians is one of the least disputed books regarding its dating and Pauline authorship. In 1Corinthians chapter 15, Paul summarizes the gospel and reinforces the premise that this is the same gospel preached by the apostles. Paul quotes from Luke's Gospel in 1 Timothy 5:18, showing us that Luke's Gospel was indeed completed in Paul's lifetime. This would move the time of the completion of Luke's Gospel along with Mark and Matthew. This Internal Evidence presents a strong case for the early dating of the Gospels. EXTERNAL Evidence - Gospel Dates: ▪︎ Were the Gospels written by eyewitnesses of the events, or were they not recorded until centuries later? As with the internal evidence, the external evidence also supports a first century date. ▪︎ Fortunately, New Testament scholars have an enormous amount of ancient manuscript evidence. The documentary evidence for the New Testament far surpasses any other work of its time, with over 5000 manuscripts, and many are dated within a few years of their authors' lives. KEY documents: ▪︎ Chester Beatty Papyri contains most of the N.T. writings, and is dated around A.D. 250. ▪︎ The Bodmer Papyri contains most of John, and dates to A.D. 200. ▪︎ Rylands Papyri that was found in Egypt and contains large fragments of John, and dates to A.D. 130. From this fragment we can conclude that John was completed well before A.D. 130 because, not only did the gospel have to be written, it had to be hand copied and make its way down from Greece to Egypt. The majority of scholars agree that John is the last gospel written, so we can affirm its first century date along with the other three with greater assurance. EARLY New Testament Papyrus Manuscripts: ▪︎ Dead Sea Scrolls, the Full Text of Isaiah 53 and a portion of every book, c. 250 BC. ▪︎ Old Testament Greek Septuagint c. 200 BC. ▪︎ P52 (John Rylands Fragment) - John 18:31-33; 37-38 c. 96 AD ▪︎ P90 (Oxyrhynchus) - John 18:36; 19:7 c. 96 AD ▪︎ P104 (Oxyrhynchus) - Matthew 21:34-37, 43, 45 c. 60-65 AD ▪︎ P46 (Chester Beatty Papyrus) - Romans 5:17-6; 5-14; 8:15-25; 27-35; 10:1-11, 22, 24-33, 35; 16:1-23; 25-27. And Hebrews; 1 & 2; Corinthians; Ephesians; Galatians; Philippians; Colossians; 1 Thessalonians 1:1, 9-10; 2:1-3; 5:5-9, 23-28 c. 50’s-70’s AD ▪︎ P98 (IFAO) - Revelation 1:13; 2:1 c. 90 AD ▪︎ P66 (Bodmer Papyrus) - John 1:1-6,11; 6:35; 14:26; fragment of 14:29; 21:9 c. 70’s AD ▪︎ P67 Matthew 3:9, 15; 5:20-22; 25-28 c. 60-65 AD ▪︎ Evidence also comes from the Dead Sea Scrolls Cave 7. Jose Callahan discovered a large fragment of the Gospel of Mark and dated it to have been written in A.D. 50. Also large fragments of Acts and other epistles and dated them to have been written slightly after A.D. 50.4 Another line of evidence is the writings of the church fathers. ▪︎ CLEMENT of Rome sent a letter to the Corinthian church in A.D. 95. in which he quoted from the Gospels and other portions of the N.T. ▪︎ IGNATIUS, Bishop of Antioch, wrote a letter before his martyrdom in Rome in A.D. 115, quoting all the Gospels and other N.T. letters. ▪︎ POLYCARP wrote to the Philippians in A.D. 120 and quoted from the Gospels and N.T. letters. ▪︎ JUSTIN MARTYR, A.D. 150 quotes John 3. Church fathers of the early second century were familiar with the apostle's writings and quoted them as inspired Scripture. ▪︎ Early dating is important for two reasons. The closer a historical record is to the date of the event, the more likely the record is accurate. Early dating allows for eyewitnesses to still be alive when the Gospels were circulating to attest to their accuracy. The apostles often appeal to the witness of the hostile crowd, pointing to their knowledge of the facts as well (Acts 2:22, 26:26). Also, the time is too short for legends to develop. Historians agree it takes about two generations, or eighty years, for legendary accounts to establish themselves. From the evidence, we can conclude the Gospels were indeed written by the authors they are attributed to. THE First Fully Bound Bible Books/Codices ▪︎ Codex Vaticanus: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 280 - 330 AD ▪︎ Codex Siniaticus: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 300 - 350 AD ▪︎ Codex Alexandrius: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 350 - 400 AD ▪︎ Codex Vulgate: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 380 - 400 AD JESUS and the Jews were multilingual ▪︎ "Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: 'JESUS Of NAZARETH, THE KING Of THE JEWS'. Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek" (John 19:19-20) ▪︎ The Gospels were written in Koine Greek being the World's language in the 1st century The Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek (Septuagint) c.200 BC for the many Greek speaking Jews It is well known that first-century Jerusalem was inhabited by Greek speaking Jews who were at least bilingual. And Jesus most likely was trilingual apart from the ability to read minds. So the original Gospels were written in Koine Greek and sent throughout the World.. ▪︎ Jewish culture was heavily influenced by Hellenistic culture, and Koine Greek was used not only for international communication but also as the first language of many Jews. This development was furthered by the fact that the largest Jewish community in the world lived in Ptolemaic Alexandria. (Wikipedia) GOD Protects His Sacred Words: ▪︎ "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!" (Galatians 1:8-9). ▪︎ Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away" (Matt 24:35). ▪︎ God protects His Word the Gospels and warns of antichrists.. ▪︎ Christ's Good News of Salvation, His Birth, Crucifixion and Resurrection hasn't changed for 2000 years. ▪︎ The Gospels are evidenced by internal and external historical, archeological & literary facts. ▪︎ The Gospels are reliable and transparent with any variations transparently referenced in the footnotes. ▪︎ The Gospels have 1000 times more manuscripts than the most documented ancient literature by Greco-Roman historian, Suetonius. ▪︎ The Bible is the most comprehensive and reliable source about 1st century Jerusalem history and used by archaeologists for supporting research and evidence today.. Hallelujah..

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Louie Safi ... You are totally ignorant of your Bible and your religion. The apostles and disciples of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) were all illiterate. They didn't write anything. They belonged to the lowly class of society. Some were farmers, some were fishermen and some were carpenters like the family of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). They were enemies of the Roman empire. Hence, they were hiding in the remote areas, away from the reach of the Roman soldiers. The Roman government was not foolish enough to hire its enemy to be a tax collector. Otherwise, the taxes collected could be used by its enemies to fund their logistics. Matthew, the tax collector, is totally different from the Matthew, the apostle. Matthew, the apostle, is illiterate. James was not the cousin of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). He was his brother. Who are his other brothers? They are John, Jude and Jose. It's easy to know and remember the family of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). Their names all begin with letter "J". They are the "J" family. Joseph, his supposed stepfather begins with "J" as well as all his 4 brothers. James never wrote a letter. The letter is addressed to him from Paul. John never wrote a letter. The letter is addressed to him from Paul. Jude never wrote a letter. The letter is addressed to him from Paul. Peter never wrote a letter. The letter is addressed to him from Paul. All the letters you cited were written by Paul. 90 percent of the New testament belongs to Paul. They are words of Paul. Paul expressed his mere ideas, his mere opinions, his mere concoctions, his mere conjectures. Words of Paul have no divine bearing at all. They cannot be used as the basis of your religiosity. Believing in the words of Paul is tantamount to making him as your god. What are the letters of Paul? Letters of Paul to the different churches: 1). Romans; 2). Hebrews; 3). Corinthians; 4). Galatians; 5). Colossians; 6). Philippians; 7). Ephesians; 8). Thessalonians. Letters of Paul to the different individuals: 1). Timothy; 2). Titus; 3). Philemon; 4). James; 5). John; 6). Jude; 7). Peter. Read the Bible and understand what's in it. As a christian, you must do what I did. It's better to have it firsthand than just relying on the opinion of others. -03-26-23

[@vicmath1005]

A few people in the Gospels have been menitoned as "the son of Alphaeus". There is also Mary "the wife of Alphaeus". The original (or at least the first) manuscript we have of the Christian Gospels - Codex Sinaiticus - lacks "son of"/"wife of". The surname could be (and should be) read as "the Alphaeus" = "the Aleppo-ite/Halabite. So we have: James the Aleppo-ite, Matthew the Aleppo-ite, and Mary (Jesus' mother) the Aleppo-ite. These three would have settled in Aleppo after 70 CE. So Matthew's gospel was written in Aleppo perhaps 75CE-80CE. When St Jerome wanted to copy the Gospel of Matthew for the Christian New Testament in 390 CE, he went to see the Nazarenes at Aleppo, as they held the original Gospel of Matthew. Quran (of the Nazarenes) calls this Gospel 'the Injeel'.

[@gabrielahumza7714]

They are many Christians who fast who pray but Muslims will not say that ,To make themselves feel better . And that is Sin do you know that ? Point 👉 finger on others is Sin . The are many Muslims who are not following but Christians don't point 👉 .My brothers not matter what religion we are. One God and only one created all of us . So if you like or not we are still brothers and we should respect that. Fasting and praying is the only way for forgiveness and is stated in Babile in Koran it is same . Born Christian or Muslim don't make you automatically believer unless you are practicing . So pray pray cry to God for mercy on us.and stop hating one another.!!! God bless you all and Jesus said My peace with you . Amen

[@othmanahmad7331]

Allah says in Al Quran There are people who are deaf dumb and blind(spiritually). Allah will deal with them.

[@DefenderOfChrist_]

You think that but it’s not true Islam is only lies

[@defenderoftruth3212]

How I earnestly wish that there is now an original ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. I am urging Jay Smith to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -04-20-23

[@John-critic]

You will be disappointed, as there is no difference in what God teaches in the Aramaic Gospel and the English translation. You see there are some 25.000 copies of copies including some 10.000 translation as well as some 5000 complete hand-written Greek Bibles and they all teach the same messages from God. And remember even the quran states that the Torah and the Gospel were revealed by God which make them the Word of God as that is how God reveals. And then we read that none can change the Word of God. So according to the qurans the Torah and and the Gospel we have today must be the same as the original.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@John-critic ... Even millions of manuscripts you have, the Torah and the Gospel of today are not the ones that are being referred to in the Holy Qur’an. This is how the Torah and the Gospel look like which Prophet Muhammad recognized: 5:46. And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and CONFIRMING THAT WHICH WHICH PRECEDED IT OF THE TORAH as guidance and instruction for the righteous. This verse tells you that the Gospel of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) should be confirming what's in the Torah. In other words, the message in the Gospel is the same with what's in the Torah. Likewise, it's the same with the Holy Qur'an. It also confirms what's in the Torah and in the Gospel. All prophets received the same message since they have the same and one source, which is God. Read the verse below: 7:157. Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, WHOM THEY FIND WRITTEN IN WHAT THEY HAVE OF THE TORAH AND THE GOSPEL, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So, they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. In this verse 7:157, it tells you that the Gospel and Torah must bear the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It says that you'll find that the name of the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, which is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), is written in both the Torah and Gospel. Actually, it's not a name, but a story about him. Question is: Can you read the name "Muhammad" written in the Torah and the Gospel? 2:213. Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path. If the descriptions given above by the Holy Qur'an cannot be found, then those were not what it confirms. Not the Torah. Not the Gospel. WHO ARE THE PEOPLE OF THE SCRIPTURE? 48:29. Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. YOU SEE THEM BOWING AND PROSTRATING [IN PRAYER], SEEKING BOUNTY FROM ALLAH AND [HIS] PLEASURE. THEIR MARK IS ON THEIR FACES FROM THE TRACE OF PROSTRATION. THAT IS THEIR DESCRIPTION IN THE TORAH. AND THEIR DESCRIPTION IN THE GOSPEL IS AS A PLANT WHICH PRODUCES ITS OFFSHOOTS AND STRENGTHENS THEM SO THEY GROW FIRM AND STAND UPON THEIR STALKS, DELIGHTING THE SOWERS - SO THAT ALLAH MAY ENRAGE BY THEM THE DISBELIEVERS. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) knew who is the People of the Scriptures in his time. They can be easily determined by the mark on their faces as a trace of prostration. In other words, they are believers of Allah. Not believers of any gods. Which gospel is there to confirm by the Holy Qur'an? You have 4 make-believe gospels in the New Testament. But they are just label. And the label is a big deception. Because they are not gospels. They are purely biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) in 4 accounts. Inspite of being 4, the biography has a big hole in between. The story started from Year 1 about his conception and his birth. Then, it jumped immediately to year 30 where he conducted his preaching and healing activities, up to his alleged crucifixion and ascension. Year 2 to year 29 is a huge vacuum. Nothing is heard of him during those periods. And it's the primetime of his life. So many tremendous activities had been done by him, but nothing is being accounted for. Out of the 33 years Prophet jESUs (pbuh) stayed on earth, only 5 years are accounted for. 28 years are missing, from year 2 to year 29. What a huge hole indeed!!! Such a man like Prophet jESUs (pbuh) who is revered and venerated by the people should not have unaccounted stories of his life. One cannot help to cast doubts that there is something fishy that needs to be hidden from the people. Indeed, I smell something fishy. -04-21-23

[@John-critic]

@@defenderoftruth3212 thank you for your extensive reply my friend. As you touch on a number of issues I will respond to each issue separately. You refer to Surah 5:46, which states that the quran given to Mohammed confirms the previous scripture ie the Bible. Now when we read Surah 5:47 we see that Christians must judge by the Gospel. We know for a fact that the Bible which includes the Gospel used at the time of Mohammed is the same used today. And logically Mohammed would not tell Christians to use a book that was corrupted as the basis for judgement. So we know that according to quran as well as the much older Bibles we have that what God teaches in the Bible has not changed. What we also know is that the qurans used today do not confirm the Bible. So where is the quran that confirms the Bible? We know from the islamic sources that Uthman burnt all of the qurans based on what Mohammed recited and then he replaced Mohammeds qurans with one new improved quran written in only one dialect. So we know Mohammeds qurans were changed. And as we do not have Mohammeds qurans which confirmed the Bible we know that the qurans used today cannot be the qurans recited by Mohammed. So tell me why do you believe that following Mohammed who was the only messenger of his ideology will get you to heaven?

[@John-critic]

@@defenderoftruth3212 you refer to Surah 7:157. As I have shown in my last comment the facts prove that you do not have Mohammeds quran. And as Mohammed is not mentioned in the Bible we know that verse 7:157 was never in Mohammeds qurans my friend. Logically this verse was added later by Uthman

[@John-critic]

@@defenderoftruth3212 you refer to Surah 2:213. Again if you had Mohammeds qurans then that quran would not differ from the Bible. Problem is that you do not have Mohammeds quran and as all the different Arabic versions of the quran we can buy today differ from the Bible we know for a fact that the qurans used today are not the original.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

If you take coins as your paradigm for the existence of a certain individual, then the question must be thrown back to you, Mr. Jay Smith. Did you find any coin during the time of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) to establish his existence? If coins are your basis for your allegation about the non-existence of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), then produce coins that prove the existence of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). If you cannot produce, then your allegation is totally false and baseless. -07-14-23

[@MoonsOnMarss]

Jesus was literally hated by his own people, why would they make coins of him? nor was he a king of his time. We have the Pilate stone(the name of the governor who sentenced him), and we have the eye witness accounts of Jesus's life, ministry, and death. what we dont have is a single Quranic manuscript that dates to the time of Muhammad the pedophile. Your Allah cant even get the trinity right and you expect us to believe he's God???

[@TheStraightPath-px8mk]

The latter verse of surah 19 state why the quran was revealed and the consequences of attributing Allah the role of a father. 11 minutes of complete waffle.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

If Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is god, why is he NOT HANDSOME? Why there was not a single woman who got attracted to him? Being god, he must be the handsomest man that ever lived on earth. But why Joseph (Yusuf), son of Jacob, was the most handsome man on earth wherein all the women got attracted to him? Even the wife of the King tried to seduce him. I would not include how handsome Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was, lest I would be accused of being biased. But what is worth mentioning is that most women wanted to have him as a husband. A god must possess all attributes that can never be found in any human being, whether physical or spiritual. But in the case of Prophet jESUS (pbuh), Yusuf surpassed him overwhelmingly in physical appearance. Can God be surpassed by His creation? -08-16-23

[@Ghqi]

9:49 I am sorry??? 😂😂 so you say translate from Aramaic to Greek and then to English was a good way to translate the gospels atleast Arabic and Aramaic are both Semitic languages

[@defenderoftruth3212]

According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. He has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. -05-04-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Why is it the BIOGRAPHY of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is TOTALLY HOLEY? And why the Christians are not fully aware about this HOLE? Is the story of the life of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) not important to them when in fact, they should oblige themselves to know every minute detail of it? What is the use of venerating him when they know only a little about him? As can be observed that in spite of the 4 narratives depicted in the 4 make-believe gospels, the 4 Greek writers failed to give the full account of the life of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). The narrative started from year 1 which tells about his miraculous conception and his birth, and then it jumped immediately to year 30 which tells about his preaching of the Aramaic Gospel to the children of Israel (Jews), and ended in year 33 where he was allegedly crucified and ascended to heaven. 28 years from year 2 to year 29 which comprised the primetime of his life are unaccounted for. Indeed, what a BIG, BIG HOLE it is!!! Such a man who hailed from a miraculous beginning cannot escape the curious and inquisitive eyes of the people. So, it could not be that there is no narrative for those 28 years. It could not be that out of his 33 years on earth, only 5 years were accounted for and having narrative. Those 28 years must have been replete with tremendous meaningful and wonderful activities. It could not be that after he ascended to heaven, people of his time blew all the memories about him into oblivion. The story of such a man like him who is revered and venerated by the people cannot easily be forgotten. But why did the 4 Greek writers skip the account of the primetime of his life? Is there something fishy that needs to be hidden? One cannot help to cast doubt that there is really something fishy in the narratives of the biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). Indeed, I smell something fishy. -07-28-23

[@skolsuper8447]

mo mo madness!

[@annabanana2623]

Lol!

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Skol super ... How unfortunate for our prophet, Prophet jESUs (pbuh). He was being made a man-made pagan god by the Romans as a substitute for Emperor Romulus who mysteriously disappeared from his chariot during a parade at a town plaza when a lightning struck it. The Romans believed that their emperor ascended to heaven and became one of the brightest stars called Uranus. And so they worshipped Uranus as their pagan god. But when the Romans made their conquest to other countries, they substituted Uranus to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their pagan god since Uranus did not anymore appeal well to their conquered countries. Under the guise of spreading religion, they thought that making Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as a front for their religious campaign, it will them make easy to convince the people to bow to them. Thus, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) became the rallying cry of the Romans. And they were successful. So, up to today, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) becomes the god of Christianity. Maybe, before Christianity, the Romans had thought of the idea that the name of their religion would be Romanticity, or Romanticism. But their bishops maintained the name of their religion as Christianity since they are using Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their god. It is for this reason that no Jew in Israel, a place where he came from, did not recognize him as some kind of a divine being. Thus, the Jews maintained their religion as Judaism. Christianity thrived only in Rome. Hence, the name "Jesus" does not ring a bell today in Israel. If you ask a Jew today in Israel if he knows "Jesus", his answer will be a resounding NO.!!! 03-26-23

[@annabanana2623]

@@defenderoftruth3212 🤥🤥🤥🤥😶😶

[@skolsuper8447]

@@defenderoftruth3212 It is not Jesus in islam it is Issa, Go and watch a David Wood video on that. And as I have said many times Christianity is over two thousand years old and islam is 1500 hundred years old. Who copied txt and stories from the Jews and Christians, Then islam Plagiarized stories like the seven sleepers, the splitting of the moon, then thick abdools at the time spoke about talking Ants. Lol Go and learn before you get back to me. Your welcome.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@annabanana2623 ... How much do you know about your Bible? The Bible is composed of 2 divisions. One is the Old Testament. Two, the New Testament. The OT is the Hebrew Bible or book of Judaism which the Bible scholars copied and plagiarized word for word, and translated it into Greek. And afterward, shamelessly bragged themselves that they are inspired by the Holy Spirit. Inspired to what? To copy? To plagiarize? And to distort some of the Hebrew words to suit to their evil motive of portraying that all the prophecies in the Hebrew Bible are referring to Prophet Jesus (pbuh)? This is a blatant deception by the Bible scholars to the readers, especially the christians. Instead of acknowledging the book of Judaism, they labeled it as the OT. The supposed book of the christians is only the New Testament. But since the NT is not a book coming from God, the Bible scholars have to support it with the Hebrew Bible which is labeled as the OT. Why the NT is not from God? The NT is comprised of 3 parts: 1). The 4 gospels written by the 4 Greek scholars. But in the 4 gospels, there is not a single gospel that can be found in it. When we say gospel, it means good news/revelation/s from God sent down to Prophet Jesus (pbuh) to be preached to the children of Israel. But what is that gospel which Prophet Jesus (pbuh) preached? Where is it now? None. Nothing. In other words, it is not recorded and preserved. Had it been recorded and preserved, we would have only one gospel in our hands today. And certainly, it is in Aramaic. What then are these 4 gospels? They are purely biography of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) - from his conception, to his birth, to his baptism at Jordan river for the atonement of his sins, to his healing and preaching activities, up to his crucifixion. 2). Mere ideas and opinions of Paul expressed in his letters to the different churches of: 1. Romans, 2. Hebrews, 3. Corinthians, 4. Galatians, 5. Colossians, 6. Philippians, 7. Ephesians, 8. Thessalonians. Paul also expressed his mere ideas and opinions in his letters to the different individuals like: 1. Timothy, 2. Titus, 3. Philemon, 4. James, 5. John, 6. Judas, 7. Peter. He also wrote his ridiculous fictional diary called the book of Acts. 3). The dream of John which he dreamed after writing his so-called gospel of John at around 150 years after the alleged death of Prophet Jesus (pbuh). One night he dreamed a dream. And when he woke up, instead of letting it pop into thin air, he put it into writing and labeled it as the book of Revelations. But the labeling is deceptive and very inappropriate. It must be a book of Fantasy. His dream is nothing but fantasy. Reading it is like watching a Walt Disney movie. So, we can safely say that the christians have no book of religion at all. Hence, Christianity is an empty religion. Empty religion means zero salvation. -04-06-23

[@tombuddy100]

Since you mentioned reference to Jesus as God in the Bible, how do you explain the following self-explanatory verses about who God is? 1 Corinthians 15: 26-28 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

[@dudeduderinoduderino9689]

Simple, God [Father] gave everything, so Christ [Jesus] is giving back everything to the Father that he might have the same as the Father has READ Jn 17 the whole chapter to gain an understanding.

[@FoJ-REAPP]

I appreciate your question, at least you've tried to do some critical thinking. However, that's still below the Christian simple and standard understanding of Christ being God. When a Christian says Jesus is God, he/she first unders that God is Spirit. Now, God deciding to come to humanity and dwell amongst humanity and doing something significant like exemplify godly life and atone for sin Himself because nothing was pure enough to worth atoning for man's sin but for match, He took on human form/flesh; that human form or flesh is who you now know as Jesus Christ. When we say Jesus is God we mean the fullness of God dwelled in him. Now since you cited Apostle Paul, let me tell you somethings he said in Colossians 2:9, he said, 'Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.' He said again in Philippians 2:5-8 that, 'Have the same attitude among yourselves that was also in the Messiah Jesus: In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping. Instead, poured out in emptiness, a servant's form did he possess, a mortal man becoming. In human form he chose to be, and lived in all humility, death on a cross obeying.' John the baptist also said in John 3:31-36 that, 'The one (Jesus) who comes from above is superior to everything. The one who is of the earth belongs to the earth and speaks about earthly things. The one who comes from heaven is superior to everything. He testifies about what he has seen and heard, yet no one accepts his testimony. The person who has accepted his testimony has acknowledged that God is truthful. The one whom God sent (Jesus) speaks the words of God, because God does not give the Spirit in limited measure to him. The Father loves the Son and has put everything in his hands. The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.' As Christians, our believe is that Jesus Christ has become the face or identity of God we know, and this believe is not misplaced because He himself said in John 14:9 that, "The person who has seen me (Jesus) has seen the Father. So how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? There are many more reasons and proofs we can give to validate our believe that Christ is God. If this simple explanation doesn't satisfy you, I'm willing to give you more. Stay blessed. ❤

[@tombuddy100]

@@dudeduderinoduderino9689 Where in the Bible is Christ referred to as the Almighty God? Why is Christ urging us to worship the Father, as the Father seeks such who worship Him in truth and spirit? (John 4: 23-24) Where in the Bible is the Holy Spirit referred to as one of three persons? What does it mean that the Father will give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him? (Luke 11: 13) There are many more questions that can be asked based on the Bible supporting Unitarian view that the Father alone is the Almighty God. However, that is enough for now. Could you answer these questions?

[@tombuddy100]

@@FoJ-REAPP I already knew that Christ is perfect Son of God, who emulates his Father, the Almighty God, and urges us to strive to do the same, which is the meaning of following Christ and worshipping his Father, the Almighty God. I am disputing unbiblical doctrines, one of which is the belief that God consists of three co-equal co-eternal persons.

[@FoJ-REAPP]

@@tombuddy100 ok, now that you believe the Christ is the perfect son of God by virtue of his perfect nature inherited in bodily form of the Spirit God, you equally must agree that when Christ walked here on earth, it was God walking here on earth. If that is the case, then it means that, the Spirit God manifested or incarnated Himself into man whiles still remaining a separate Spirit God. That manifested God, Jesus Christ, also left the earth alive to where the Spirit God is. Aside these two identifies we have here, Jesus himself referred to another as the Helper who the father and himself will send back to the world to empower his people. Mind you, he didn't say a spirit but The Spirit (specific). Who could this Spirit also be? Can you help me understand what I've just said? There's a way settle this I must say, its either Christ did not have the perfect nature of God here on earth, and by that he was not perfect as the Father who alone is known to be perfect. It's either Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead and ascended in bodily form. It's either there's not Spirit here on earth now ministering to God's people, in the name of The HolySpirit. But if all the above are true, then God the Spirit, reflected, manifested, incarnated himself in a body called Jesus Christ, making that body equally God, and later dwells on earth again as Spirit whiles still remaining as God the Father, The Spirit.

[@stevenjohnson-yx1fl]

Without lies islame dies

[@RolanRoyce]

The stuff about Jesus being just a prophet sounds influenced by the Ebionite Gospel, maybe Arabs had a version of it. The Quran doesn't have all the features of Ebionism but a few, others are contrary to it, The Ebionites didn't accept the the idea that Mary was "untouched" like the Quran says, for instance. The authors obviously took bits and pieces from a variety of sources. I think the idea of the Quran being delivered by an angel came from the Book of Elchasai. It encouraged circumcision, which may be why it's in Islam.

[@aaabrams1889]

So you think that Mohammad (saw) made-up a New religion. ISLAM and copied from previous scriptures?😅🤣😂 THAT'S WHAT THE EVIL MISSIONARIES want you to believe. ISLAM STARTED WITH CREATION and with ALL the Prophets, from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Thousands of Prophets...AND MOHAMMAD (saw) COMPLETED THE RELIGION. ALL THE PROPHETS had the same religion with the same message of Pure Monotheism and ALL SUBMITTED THEIR WILL TO THE CREATOR alone and Directly (meaning of Islam), making them all Muslim by definition. This every Muslim child knows and even Jews who are supposed to be enemies of Islam lectures this at Israeli Universities. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqiVhpV8ZZZ1idk kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXuvpahvptWoeZY

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@Casey Kramer ... Trinity is a product of theological evolution. In the early Christianity, there was no Trinity. The Ebionites who followed Thomas practiced UNITARIANISM. To them, Jesus was only a mere prophet, and there was only one God. Then later on, Christianity developed the belief that Jesus was the “secondary person” to God by adapting the Arian principle espoused by Arias. So, the christians practiced BINITARIANISM or DUALISM. But as time went on, after centuries later, another idea came to float. This is the Alexandrean principle, whereby Alexander believed that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is not only the secondary person to God, but also “equal” to God. This theory was galvanized by the Council of Nicea of Rome in 325 AD in the convention spearheaded by Emperor Constantine where the different bishops adopted a proclamation in order to put the Alexandrean principle into reality and practice. This proclamation is called the Nicene Creed. But in the 325 convention, the Holy Spirit was not included in the proclamation. It took the bishops of Rome 56 years to conceive the idea that the Holy Spirit should be included as another being equal to God. Thus, another convention had to be called for to make amendment to the first proclamation. And so, the 2nd Nicene Creed was promulgared in 381 AD proclaiming the Trinity with 3 godheads. Hence, TRINITARIANISM was introduced to the christian world where the Council of Nicea decreed that the Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit are one and the same. Trinity did not exist during the time of Jesus. It is a product of theological evolution. But, you will be surprised to know that recently the christian church promoted the personality of Mary to a god herself since she is the mother of God (according to the christian church). Inasmuch as there are now four personalities involved in the divinity of Jesus, what do we call it now, QUADRINITY? Or QUADRIANISM? 03-26-23

[@RolanRoyce]

@@defenderoftruth3212 It's much like evolution of Judaism but in reverse. They started out with numerous gods and gradually reduced it to one. BTW, I mentioned the Book of Elchasai. The "prophet Mani" was a member of Elchasaites since childhood and later started his own religion. If you read about him you'll see that Muhammad was modeled on him. He called himself the Seal of the Prophets and the Paraclete long before Muhammad was born, or made up, whichever it is. His religion, Manichaeism, had a book revealed by an angel, 7 daily prayers, ablutions and a month every year in which they only ate one meal a day. Muhammad reduced the prayers to 5, called the month of fasting Ramadan and removed the vegetarianism, vow of poverty and sexual abstinence. He made it a version that was less demanding in self denial and was accepting of wealth, so it appealed to greedy people who liked eating meat and being sex maniacs, which made it more popular so Islam gradually replaced Manichaeism. That pretty much describes Muslims, don't you think? Greedy meat eating sex maniacs.

[@DusTman761]

Sure. Islam came from many Gnostic sect of Christianity.

[@RolanRoyce]

Another sect with similar beliefs were called the Nazarenes. They were around a lot longer than the Ebionites so more likely to have influence the Arabs. It's surprising how many different sects there were in the early centuries AD, forming religions was very popular in those days and Muhammad was just one more of that type of person, self proclaimed prophets trying to form their own religion as a variation on prior ones. People didn't have much else to do I guess, there wasn't much for entertainment in those days.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

KILLING the Apostate is a sacred LAW in Christianity. This Apostasy law is embodied in Deuteronomy 13, where it orders the killing of any one, regardless of his relationship to his family, if he leaves his religion. This law is being adhered to by Prophet jESUs (pbuh) which he galvanized it by his pronouncement in Matthew 5:17-20. But what is surprising is that this kind of Law can never be found in the Holy Qur’an. No such verse can be found in it which says that if someone would leave Islam he shall be put to death, or be stoned to death. DEUTERONOMY 13 13:1. If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 13:2. And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 13:3. Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 13:4. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 13:5. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. 13:6. If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 13:7. Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 13:8. Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 13:9. But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 13:10. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 13:11. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you. 13:12. If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13:13. Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 13:14. Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 13:15. Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 13:16. And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 13:17. And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 13:18. When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God. MATTHEW 5:17 - 20: 5:17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 5:18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 5:20. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. -(10-05-23)

[@nickortiz8028]

Yeah you don't care understand Christianity at all, we can apostates that's insane

[@JesusisaMuslim]

The Nazarenes were an early Jewish Christian sect in first-century Judaism. The Gospel of the Nazarenes, is believed by some to be the Gospel described by many commentators as the original teachings of the Nazarene called Christ. Estimated Range of Dating 100-160 A.D. And it totally goes against the crucifixion. The evil church got rid of many early Gospels such as this one. Gospel of Nazarenes, Lection 33, verses 1-2. By The Shedding Of Blood Of Others Is No Remission Of Sins. 1. Jesus was teaching his disciples in the outer court of the Temple and one of them said unto him: Master, it is said by the priests that without shedding of blood there is no remission. Can then the blood offering of the law take away sin? 2. And Iesus answered: No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.

[@vicmath1005]

A few people in the Gospels have been menitoned as "the son of Alphaeus". There is also Mary "the wife of Alphaeus". The original (or at least the first) manuscript we have - Codex Sinaiticus lacks "son of"/"wife of". The surname could be (and should be) read as "the Alphaeus" = "the Aleppo-ite/Halabite. So we have: James the Aleppo-ite, Matthew the Aleppo-ite, and Mary (Jesus' mother) the Aleppo-ite. These three would have settled in Aleppo after 70 CE. So Matthew's gospel was written in Aleppo perhaps 75CE-80CE. When St Jerome wanted to copy the Gospel of Matthew for the Christian New Testament in 390 CE, he went to see the Nazarenes at Aleppo, as they held the original Gospel of Matthew. Quran (of the Nazarenes) calls this Gospel 'the Injeel'. Umar the Nazarene took his oath at Jerusalem on the Torah. There was no Quran as a tome during Umar's time. That possibly came into being after 750 CE.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

@@vicmath1005 My channel shows how Qur'an was compiled. The Bible is not for today.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

@@vicmath1005 Jesus called that non-jewish woman a dog in Matthew 15.24-26 and Mark 7;26-27 for being a non-Jew. Get the hint

[@DefenderOfChrist_]

@@JesusisaMuslim the Quran was Compiled and the Church got rid of it because it’s just literal heresy

[@DefenderOfChrist_]

@@JesusisaMuslim no he just talked about the dogs they had

[@defenderoftruth3212]

PRIESTS WHO FLOCKED TO ISLAM After realizing that Christianity is TOTALLY FALSE. 1). Archbishop Viacheslav Polosin, Russia, 2). Hilarion Heagy, USA, now Said Abdul Latif, 20 years as priest, 3). Vladimir Urgyumuv, Russia, over 30 years as an Orthodox Catholic priest, 4). Paul Dennet, now Idris Tawfiq, former priest in Rome, 5). Rev. Anthony Swany, now Ayub Abdur Rahman, 6). Samuel Earle Shrogsire, USA, now Yusuf Muhammad, 7). Russell Ogston, now Yusuf Ogston, former Anglican priest, , 8). Prof. Craig Victor, US Cathoilic priest, now Ishmael Fenter, 9). Prof. Sue Watson, now Khadija Watson, a female pastor for 7 years, 10). Ann Holmes Redding, female priest of Episcopal Church for 25 years, 11). Weis Mark Bangura, Sierra Leone, Africa 12). Leif Sjetne, now Ahmed, Sweden, 30 years as priest, 13). Amar Abdurahman Sykes, (present name), USA 14). Said Muhammad Urumov, (present name), Russia 15). Polosin Vyacheslov Sergeyevich, Russia 16). Janice Huff, now Amina Assilmi, female priest, USA 17). Anthony George Baker, USA 18). Bishop David Benjamin Gardani, now Abdul Ahad Dawud, Catholic Bishop. 19). Rev. Richard Kiper, Catholic minister for 40 years 20). Yusuf Estes, Catholic minister 21). Joshua Evans, Catholic youth minister 22). 600 priests in Africa. 23). And still counting. You can watch their testimonies on YT. This is something to reckon with as to why. -07-22-23

[@hirweentertainment8602]

Dear , brother,, understand QORAN IS THE FINAL TESTAMENT FROM OUR LORD . Let me teach you little math here : set N is in set Z is in set D. ... In set i (complex number) I,e) Tawrat is in Zabur Psalm is in Injil Gospel is in Qoran.... Simple math logic 😁😂🤣🤣. Why would be surprised to find a story from Tawrat in Qoran... The thing u must be thinking why 😢 you will be focusing on following one set of the reality (Torah or Gospel).Hence there is the last final set that combined all reality (Qoran), means there's a part of reality you are missing.

[@712dolly]

For what are the Muslims getting so hyped up 🎉🎉🎉

[@defenderoftruth3212]

The BIBLE in the eyes of JAY SMITH. According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -05-14-23

[@danielganesh55]

Counterfeiter and robbing religion

[@kefe8853]

Heard nothing that discredits the Quran lol

[@defenderoftruth3212]

As per my study, the 4 make-believe gospels are written in the wrong language. The true original Gospel is written in Aramaic. But Jay Smith and Abdul Fadi are evading to let their books be put under scrutiny. So, to hide the falsehood of the 4 make-believe gospels, they diverted the attention of the viewers to the Qur'an which is written in its original Arabic language. Dig up first the original Aramaic Gospel. That is the best contribution you could do to the whole Christendom, -06-25-23

[@ebrahimcarstens1035]

And let's not forget the shabir ally debate

[@zombieturtleiscoolyt3454]

Holy Muses , Holy Jesus and after Holy Nobi Eliajah is a prophet of God !!

[@ankur7773]

allah MECCA TI' SCAM 100%√√😇

[@mrenigma1564]

still didn't catch what are you trying to prove !!!!

[@heikejohannajahns3257]

That the standard islamic narrative is not backed up by any evidence. The claimed Uthmanic coran manuscripts do not exist.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Why no single Muslim hates Prophet jESUs (pbuh)? Why all Christians hate Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)? Muslims love all the prophets, including Prophet jESUs (pbuh). But Christians can hardly accord the same kind of love to them. Is it their innate attitude to love only Prophet jESUs (pbuh), and hate the other prophets. Is this an indication that their upbringing is to spread hate as being taught by their religion? Hate begets violence. It would mean therefore, that they are the forerunner of violence. -07-20-23

[@DefenderOfChrist_]

Dear Christians my brothers in Christ read the Letter of Judas it prophesied Islam and the Muslims the Holy Spirit will give you strength to fight those heresies

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@stlouisix3]

The modern form of Islamic paganism was a very recent creation. Only a few decades old, maximum.

[@aaabrams1889]

What kind of Hypocrite are you - you speak about paganism AND YOU GOT THE BIGGEST GRAVEN IMAGE THE MOTHER OF god.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@St. Louis ... How unfortunate for our prophet, Prophet jESUs (pbuh). He was being made a man-made pagan god by the Romans as a substitute for Emperor Romulus who mysteriously disappeared from his chariot during a parade at a town plaza when a lightning struck it. The Romans believed that their emperor ascended to heaven and became one of the brightest stars called Uranus. And so they worshipped Uranus as their pagan god. But when the Romans made their conquest to other countries, they substituted Uranus to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their pagan god since Uranus did not anymore appeal well to their conquered countries. Under the guise of spreading religion, they thought that making Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as a front for their religious campaign, it will them make easy to convince the people to bow to them. Thus, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) became the rallying cry of the Romans. And they were successful. So, up to today, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) becomes the god of Christianity. Maybe, before Christianity, the Romans had thought of the idea that the name of their religion would be Romanticity, or Romanticism. But their bishops maintained the name of their religion as Christianity since they are using Prophet jESUs (pbuh) as their god. It is for this reason that no Jew in Israel, a place where he came from, did not recognize him as some kind of a divine being. Thus, the Jews maintained their religion as Judaism. Christianity thrived only in Rome. Hence, the name "Jesus" does not ring a bell today in Israel. If you ask a Jew today in Israel if he knows "Jesus", his answer will be a resounding NO.!!! -03-26-23

[@cuttlefisch]

666 likes lolol.

[@thecure7880]

Birmingham was a Qur'an, not other..

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@mysotiras 018 ... What is the Bible? The Bible is composed of 2 divisions. One is the Old Testament. Two, the New Testament. The OT is the Hebrew Bible or book of Judaism which the Bible scholars copied and plagiarized word for word, and translated it into Greek. And afterward, shamelessly bragged themselves that they are inspired by the Holy Spirit. Inspired to what? To copy? To plagiarize? And to distort some of the Hebrew words to suit to their evil motive of portraying that all the prophecies in the Hebrew Bible are referring to Prophet Jesus (pbuh)? This is a blatant deception by the Bible scholars to the readers, especially the christians. Instead of acknowledging the book of Judaism, they labeled it as the OT. The supposed book of the christians is only the New Testament. But since the NT is not a book coming from God, the Bible scholars have to support it with the Hebrew Bible which is labeled as the OT. Why the NT is not from God? The NT is comprised of 3 parts: 1). The 4 gospels written by the 4 Greek scholars. But in the 4 gospels, there is not a single gospel that can be found in it. When we say gospel, it means good news/revelation/s from God sent down to Prophet Jesus (pbuh) to be preached to the children of Israel. But what is that gospel which Prophet Jesus (pbuh) preached? Where is it now? None. Nothing. In other words, it is not recorded and preserved. Had it been recorded and preserved, we would have only one gospel in our hands today. And certainly, it is in Aramaic. What then are these 4 gospels? They are purely biography of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) - from his conception, to his birth, to his baptism at Jordan river for the atonement of his sins, to his healing and preaching activities, up to his crucifixion. 2). Mere ideas and opinions of Paul expressed in his letters to the different churches of: 1. Romans, 2. Hebrews, 3. Corinthians, 4. Galatians, 5. Colossians, 6. Philippians, 7. Ephesians, 8. Thessalonians. Paul also expressed his mere ideas and opinions in his letters to the different individuals like: 1. Timothy, 2. Titus, 3. Philemon, 4. James, 5. John, 6. Judas, 7. Peter. He also wrote his ridiculous fictional diary called the book of Acts. 3). The dream of John which he dreamed after writing his so-called gospel of John at around 150 years after the alleged death of Prophet Jesus (pbuh). One night he dreamed a dream. And when he woke up, instead of letting it pop into thin air, he put it into writing and labeled it as the book of Revelations. But the labeling is very inappropriate. It must be a book of Fantasy. His dream is nothing but fantasy. Reading it is like watching a Walt Disney movie. So, we can safely say that the christians have no book of religion at all. Hence, Christianity is an empty religion. Empty religion means zero salvation. -03-26-23

[@aaabrams1889]

Is Jay getting old and senile by saying; ''The Birmingham Folios aren’t Islamic?!?'''

[@ankur7773]

NO NO don't 😭😭😢🤧 PLZ

[@firstnamesecondname852]

This is what the Birmingham Foliis contain: a) The 7 Sleepers of Ephesus (Christian, 6th century) b) Proto-Evangelium of James (Christian, 2nd century) c) Pseudo Gospel of Matthew (Christian, 7th century) d) Story of Moses (Jewish, 5th century BC) => Nothing is Islamic

[@aaabrams1889]

@@firstnamesecondname852 Educate yourself as yu don't know what ISLAM is and think that Mohammad (saw) copied and came up with a new religion.😅🤣😂 All the Prophets were Muslim. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqiVhpV8ZZZ1idk kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXuvpahvptWoeZY

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@firstnamesecondname852 ... Jay Smith is like the writers of the Bible. He loves to plagiarize the work of others to gain popularity and, of course, money. By doing what he is doing now, he is being compensated with a handsome pay. He is only after his self-aggrandizement, regardless of the spiritual ill consequence to whom that may believe in him and get convinced. -04-05-23

[@abyankhan2227]

There you go J has just mentioned about carbon dating so he needs to stop talking bs

[@sheikhboyardee556]

Your post made no sense. What was he wrong about?

[@section5760]

Abyan khant 🤫🤫🤫🤡🤡🤡🤡.

[@toolittletoolate1900]

I suggest you rematch brother

[@ankur7773]

QURAN IN 🧠🧠 OUT

[@justaminute3111]

All that shows is the date range that the animal was killed, not when the ink was applied.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

One Source. One message to all Prophets. One Religion. Only ISLAM. Q. 3:19. Indeed, the RELIGION in the sight of ALLAH is ISLAM. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah, then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account. Q. 2:213. Mankind was [of] ONE RELIGION [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. AND NONE DIFFERED OVER THE SCRIPTURE EXCEPT THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN IT - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path. Q. 2:208. O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and DO NOT FOLLOW the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy. Q. 2:112. Yes [on the contrary], whoever submits his face in Islam to Allah while being a doer of good will have his reward with his Lord. And no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve. Q. 2:256. There shall be NO COMPULSION in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. -05-17-23

[@saidmohammed7597]

The Quran has many stories of the previous religious and their prophets so you know that the religious of God is one God and God is the creator of Adam. So read the last revelation for your salvation. Jews have corrupted the bible, Jesus is messiah and prophet of God he is not son of God for God has no son He one and no helper on his kingdom.

[@ankur7773]

*NO DOUBT 100%ISLAM FAKE RELIGION*

[@JoeMCool]

1. Yes, the Quran has many *pieces* of Biblical stories, and most of those are so incomplete and/or inaccurate and/or wholly deviant from the original stories. 2. The Quran leaves out so much of the relevant information that it is impossible to know what it is referencing *without going to the Bible* -- e.g., who is Israel? Why does the Q get Abraham's father's name so discombobulated and corrupted? Which Mary is Maryam? Why the name E'isa and not the conventional Arabic name Yesu'a? 2.a. How can you believe that the Bible was somehow corrupted when the Quran says it is God's Word and is therefore protected by him? 3. How could the Jews have corrupted their book but then Muhammad *swore an oath upon it?* 4. When Muhammad swore that oath upon the Torah, why? He was instructed by his god to ask the people *before* about their Scripture (the Book revealed BEFORE); that would *clearly mean* the Christians and the Injeel, NOT the Jews and the Torah! Also, why in Al Lah's name would he even stupidly ask the Jews about Jesus?? DOH! 5. Al Lah says it is impossible for him to have a son (or a daughter) since he has no girlfriend (yes, he literally used the word for girlfriend or female "companion"). What is impossible for Almighty God? Obviously, Al Lah is not omnipotent. According to your scriptures, he can do nothing but whine, moan, and complain. 6. Why does Al Lah instruct YOU to worship none but Al Lah and the Messiah Son of Maryam? Why do you refuse to comply with this order from your god? So read the LAST revelation for YOUR eternal salvation (that would be the Bible, friend). The Quran admits it cannot be from God as it has *numerous errors* of science, history, revelation, and general knowledge, and even spelling & grammar! Come back to Christ, for He loves you and wants to save your eternal soul. Only Jesus guarantees this -- Al Lah never does, and both his words and Muhammad's confirm this. Come back to Christ. He is Lord. ☦

[@saidmohammed7597]

Then why Jews don't believe Jesus son of God.

[@muhammedallah386]

Every single story of quran is corrupt. It never matches historical events. Rather, it's fictitious.

[@justaminute3111]

@@saidmohammed7597 What does that have to do with this? You couldn’t respond, so you deflect.

[@salahali2710]

😂😂😂😂😂😂33 verse’s is the age Jesus died 33