FAKE vs REAL ROLEX - $400 Super Clone Yachtmaster

[@KyleSorenti]

Without a comp, it’d be basically impossible to tell

[@Peterpic]

Scary right

[@PigBuoy]

Thanks for the info Peter Pic - these comparison videos are fantastic. Rumour has it there are even fakes of fakes nowadays...

[@Peterpic]

I’ve heard the same, factories are trying to copy others.. what a world😂

[@RafaelRodriguez-de9nk]

The one he has is a fake of a fake. Mid grade at best. The actual superclones are INSANE

[@user-qh7mv8np2s]

@@RafaelRodriguez-de9nkI can confirm that.

[@paulcater6290]

Good to see your doing well since your stint at LB..... they lost a great asset when you left, keep up the great content 💪👍

[@Peterpic]

Appreciate it🙏🏻

[@chonklife]

@@Peterpic Why'd you leave LB?

[@cascocatcommunity5382]

Great stuff a couple years ago I purchased a AP carbon diver from China for $800 super clone as I am a collector and really wanted to get down to see how good they were since I purchased that Watch was purchased my timepieces directly from the A.D. I just cannot trust myself as everywhere I wore that watch to the boutiques, they could not tell the difference

[@peppecolapietro]

Guardando il movimento ci vogliono 2 secondi per capire se è falso o originale ​@kayn6858

[@Chancer]

​@kayn6858 many such stories. Unless they examine it or you ask them to fit a new bracelet or something, they will think it's genuine.

[@rey2103]

Bro learn to use punctuations maybe?

[@jonathansmith283]

PP - you have a great wealth of professionalism . the watch detective ! be safe. ~. ~JDS/CT

[@164Vault]

It's scary now and I started to not trust sellers anymore apart from rolex themselves. Unless im a seasoned watch collector or dealer, how do I actually know which one is which + if we dont know what to look for? Disturbing. Heck, even having an access to a real one to compare with in the first place is already hard on its own. What a world we live in!

[@buridah328]

Are you high ? Fuck waiting lists. Grab a clone. Don’t waste your life waiting like a loser. Rolex treat their customers like beggars. Time for things to change.

[@greatlakesdoug6121]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise.

[@Peterpic]

My pleasure! Thanks for watching

[@SuperBANDIT68]

you got a go to the macro to see the diference

[@keirraabdiaziz]

In Toronto canada I buy a super super clone I bring it to a rolex expert he say it was real rolex . Unbelievable. Your super clone look just like mine. You a expert but a regular person like me will never know. Imagine on NKUWAN

[@jirkav]

Hi, about the dial shot, are you sure the top one is the fake watch? Because the print looks so much crisper and sharper than on the bottom one.

[@vic8552]

easiest way is always to look at the movement. The replicas cant pull off the freesprung balance. Screenshot 5:40 and use that as a reference for any rolex you want to authenticate. The replica will always have the micro adjusters.

[@smoll.miniatures]

People regularly replace the balance and bridge with authentic.

[@pistolpete5189]

I went onto YT this morning to find out something about building regulations for a job in on, seen Peter’s new video and forgot all about work for 5 minutes and that’s cause he’s super enthusiastic and entertaining… keep it up 👍

[@Peterpic]

You’re the man!! Thank you for always watching! And I like the name😂

[@pistolpete5189]

My wife thinks I got that nick name from always being drunk when I was young lol😂

[@operationtruth288]

Paul Throupe sells the 1:1 Superclones. Absolutely Amazing

[@dannysimenauer5745]

I stopped watching Thorpe after he lied about his relationship with Anthony Farrer. Is Thorpe selling these Superclones knowing their fake as a new side hustle?

[@operationtruth288]

He always has sold Superclones. He never mentions it on his YT channel but he has them@@dannysimenauer5745

[@JohnnyDouchbag-nr5yf]

Lol

[@sqfanatic]

So, for the balance of price vs differences to naked eye view, I can't get mad at the clone, it's really well done for the price.

[@turmanlegalsolutions]

There are variations in the Gen as well from year to year and even between batches. There are changes made to the bracelet, coronet, crown, fonts etc. Rolex doesn’t announces these changes. Also, sellers of fakes often know the flaws and can correct them be replacing with Gen parts. It’s easy to source Gen hands or to have the hands refinished. You must always check the movements, that’s the one major area where the fakes still have some catching up.

[@robertbachmann8141]

How does the date change compare between the real and fake movement?

[@Peterpic]

Right on time, no issue with that however I did notice it wasn’t as crisp as the authentic one.

[@RalphDidIt100]

Who’s getting scammed the people buying the “fake” thats damn near identical for what it’s worth in reality ? Or a person spending thousands on a watch that you can’t really tell the difference ?

[@djwilliams4714]

Love the video but not sure why you switched A & B from left to right on the screen

[@Peterpic]

Had to switch it up, shot horizontally so that also didn’t help😂 but basically to make people look and just not expect where the “fake” is

[@nr1416]

Have you ever seen a fake movement with a free sprung balance? Because that's usually the first thing I look for ...

[@GentlemensWatchServices]

That’s my question too. I’ve not seen one myself

[@Ds92817]

They exist for sure, but as franken watches - as Peter said, parts can be swapped out so the most obvious thing to swap out in the movement is the balance

[@GentlemensWatchServices]

@@Ds92817 That’s a challenging swap out. There’s a lot going on with the relationship between pallet and balance. Have you seen one or taking an educated guess of their existence?

[@jakepayton]

would love to see them marked real and fake instead of A and B

[@KrawnKam]

Imagine a day where watches are scanned into AI at the factory that creates a LLM that can be used to spot fakes. I bet money you will see that within 10 years.

[@Peterpic]

I should immediately start working on this😂 great idea actually

[@dannysimenauer5745]

KrawnKam, I see the opposite happening (unless I misunderstood your point). I can see the fake watch producers using AI and hi-res cameras to produce a more perfect fake, albeit with cheaper materials.

[@164Vault]

Notice how the "Yachtmaster" on the real one has a brighter saturated light blue compared to the fake. Fake has a darker, dull kindly

[@Peterpic]

very true

[@K12war]

Looking forward to the Peter X Producer Michael collab

[@AdamMurrayLive]

It's interesting to note that rolex had all sides of the second hand blue where the fake only did the top.

[@Peterpic]

Yea you can definitely tell with the naked eye

[@dannysimenauer5745]

Peter, point well taken. 99% of us collectors won't be able to know if we bought a fake or not online. Because of this Rolex rolled out its CPO Program, but at prices higher than retail. I wanted to ask your opinion if you think the prices that Rolex charges is worth buying CPO or not? Secondly, many large volume grey market dealers do not have a watchmaker onboard to verify authenticity like you do for your business. In your expert opinion, are these fakes getting through these large volume grey market dealers?

[@Peterpic]

Absolutely they are getting through dealers hands I’ve seen it happen numerous times. CPO Is an absolute joke, prices are out of control as well. You’re basically paying double or triple just to get a used watch with a CPO card.. it helps Grey dealers as we are priced significantly less but the mass public would like the “cpo” reassurance, go to sell it and you’re losing 50%+ easily

[@dannysimenauer5745]

@@Peterpic I agree fully. I would rather buy from you than overpay for a CPO priced watch. Hopefully enough of us won’t buy CPO and prices will plummet.

[@UdayDaherPownall]

igrotum is the only replica manufacturer that has stock in the US and EU

[@dean5346]

I worked out which one was the fake straight away. From the colour of the dial gave it away for me. It’s an amazing model the Yacht Master, I bought the blue dial version.

[@Peterpic]

Exactly ! Great eye for that the color definitely gives it away

[@DecemberNames]

Thank you for another amazing video. It is great to watch experts like you put the hard dedication on KZbin for our joy.

[@Peterpic]

Thanks for watching! Appreciate this tremendously

[@panaceiasuberes6464]

Amazing content from a top KZbinr.

[@Hi_Vader317]

This is my feeling about luxury watches. If you have the money, and i mean disposable $ to buy a real one, do it. If a clone is the closest you can get, so be it, wear it proudly and learn about the watch. Don’t try to fool a real watch person and most times they will respect you more. These watches should mean something, tell a story, celebrate a milestone. And if a $500 super clone is to celebrate a special milestone. Be proud of it and congratulations.

[@TheNewryRFC]

like these videos, education is always good and the way super clones are going not everyone can have 100 items going through your hands to catch it

[@Peterpic]

Exactly! Just trying to give a quick intro to them, they are getting better but still not good enough!

[@TheNewryRFC]

@@Peterpickeep them coming need leaders to show the rest whats outs there. for example, I have a few god tear casio, want to get a rolex after saving up. I dont know what to look for, the same way say maybe you dont know what a phishing email could be, or a lemon of a car. But again, its comes down to your point. If you know who your buying off there is no risk. FYI love the content (Ireland) PS Nico wishes he was you!!!

[@tapperzukie3994]

Another great vid! keep em coming

[@Peterpic]

Thanks! Will do!

[@lfp4003]

Do you know which factory it came from? ARF?

[@ernstjdewaard]

Again great video Peter !!! Love what you do! 🇳🇱

[@Peterpic]

Thank you so much! 😀

[@JmacAt]

A very good informative and educational video Peter, and I am sure the Rolex crown on the clasp of the fake looked bigger imo

[@Peterpic]

Yes very slightly, my statement was more towards an average first time buyer honestly because if I was green in this business I’d have a tough time on this one!

[@blackhatter1980]

they never get the balance wheel and spring right im still to see this on a super clone

[@fontyyy]

That's purely a money thing, there's a 5712 with a clone freesprung balance and an 18k gold rotor, and uses the correct material for all the movement plates....it'll cost you over $4000, but it's hand finished, the correct thickness. It's the same watch, just missing a few precious metals and made in China.

[@blackhatter1980]

@@fontyyy paying that price for a clone is just insane you can get a high value watch for 4 grand

[@fontyyy]

@@blackhatter1980 I agree, I understand buying a clone for a few hundred $$. But the difference between the $400 5711 and the $4000 one is tiny. And the $4000 one is still a fake! The main give away my rose gold 5711 isn't real is the fact it's mine! Not the fact you can see is has a curb regulator and no balance wheel adjuster screws!

[@masterwatch]

with all the Rolex fakes out there literally flooding the grey market you have to be so careful... buy the seller more than the watch.

[@Peterpic]

BINGO! Great comment right here half of these dealers have no idea what they’re even looking at I see it all the time.

[@CornieNatasha]

igrotum is the only replica factory that sells and manufactures their watches themselves also have original serial numbers. That's why they are the best

[@alexguraliuc1362]

Great video !

[@Peterpic]

Glad you enjoyed it thanks for watching🙏🏻

[@dlang1009]

I had a Super Clone took to two different Watch stores in Miami both thought it was real, a third Watch store asked if they could take apart as they could not tell. This super close cost $900 and looks amazing. It is a Stainless Pepsi GMT Master II.

[@camerongoodwin2020]

Where do you get a super clone?

[@dsmith9556]

Link?

[@camerongoodwin2020]

@@dsmith9556 you will find everything you need there including a guide on how to order. I got some amazing pieces using that subreddit as a guide

[@alanledzep1967]

Great video brother. Have a great weekend! 🙏

[@Peterpic]

Thank you! And you as well!

[@bperez221]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 great video

[@Peterpic]

Glad you liked it!! Thanks

[@1nation919]

I’d like to order the 400$ one is there a site I could order from? Maybe take that one off your hands?

[@Peterpic]

I have no idea where to get them, some Chinese site I’d imagine

[@1nation919]

@@Peterpic yes I’m scared to order with out a good recommendation lol!

[@madara-wh8ge]

Is that the arf rolex yacht master or the clean factory?

[@Peterpic]

some other viewers said clean factory

[@ron74555]

Would love to see how these fakes perform on a timegrapher in multiple positions. Wonder if that could be another way to spot a fake.

[@Peterpic]

Absolutely can! But not the best way to go about it as a fake can be regulated same as genuine not.

[@ron74555]

​@@PeterpicBut wouldn't the delta be higher than a real Rolex?

[@liberumx8900]

I get and respect the fact that you're trying to inform and educate people like myself and I do thank you but, at the same time you are also educating the People who produce the Fake ones on how to make them better. Believe they are out there watching your video and many others while taking notes.

[@Peterpic]

they will never make a perfect clone, specifically cause they kill all future business by doing so

[@liberumx8900]

@@Peterpic That's a good point but, it is my understanding that Asian's are perfectionists by nature in a constant quest to get better and better.

[@zivkovicable]

@@liberumx8900 "Asian's are perfectionists by nature"...That's such a massive generalisation when you are talking about a whole continent of people. Even if you narrow that down to just Chinese people, there are huge variations of culture within that one Asian country. Positive racial stereotypes are still harmful.

[@latibes]

When they create the free sprung balance then it’s game over!

[@Peterpic]

I don't think they ever will, cost affective & they'd rather keep making "updates" to make more money

[@MichaelMitchell-vk9lk]

My problem is buying watches that sold as fully serviced that absolutely weren’t.

[@Peterpic]

Bingo! Another major point, I can confidently say most dealers don’t even know how to check if there’s oil on jewels.. but they’ll happily say oh yea it’s running great 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

[@fredochinaski9968]

Got to admit, thé clone IS super well done...IS it coming from Paul tugging thorpy's son?

[@Peterpic]

Chill😂 I believe this one is made by the “clean” factory

[@tapperzukie3994]

@@Peterpic Do a VSF Sub next. Thats supposedly the best sub clone on the market. Would be interesting to get a professional opinion.

[@gaffs82]

These are scary good. Hard to tell unless you have a real to hand

[@Peterpic]

BINGO very scary

[@oliverjames6913]

So this is a $400 clone. What happens when you buy a $1200 clone. I mean, the lack of a free sprung balance is always the most obvious give away but at some point the fakes will have that too.

[@Peterpic]

Well technically you can put a real balance on the fake 😂 I believe it’s cost affective for the companies to try and replicate this, but yes they will only get better never perfect but one day they will be “close” enough

[@gerarlddiponse8005]

There is no 1200 superclone with this movement. Maybe if the inlay Container some real platinum

[@Samsicecream]

There a 800$ super clone that is perfect. Even watch dealers are selling them ass real.

[@camerongoodwin2020]

Where do you get a super clone like that?

[@nickhull83]

Lets GOOOOOO!!!

[@Peterpic]

🙏🏻🙏🏻 thank you !

[@Kingkong_86]

I'D go superclone any time

[@AlisonMarise]

There are rumors that igrotum has the Rolex database of serial numbers and sells replicas with the same serial numbers as the originals

[@Dazulolwarrior]

Man I miss your content it's been quite some time

[@Peterpic]

thanks!

[@nauticatom]

For 325 dollars you can buy an authentic 3235 automatic winding component set and slap it into a replica 3235

[@Peterpic]

EXACTLY RIGHT! This is why you need to have someone you can trust / know what they’re looking at to make sure the watch is 100% real

[@SergeiJag]

igrotum is the only replica factory that operates on United States soil without getting caught by the authorities

[@noaninetytwo]

u convinced me buying a rep lmao

[@WristovaStore]

There are really good super clones at wristova.

[@KyleSorenti]

Kind of an odd watch to fake

[@Peterpic]

Probably one of the best yachts to be released! These are actually very popular

[@Sb-sz3cn]

get the show on da road...pettttter

[@Peterpic]

😂😂 I didn’t realize I set it as a premiere !

[@74shelia]

What I take from this is that wealthy people are wearing fake Rolex and other fake watches. Wealthy people don’t pay for high quality watches. It doesn’t make sense. If you know the person is wealthy, then why do they need to prove that their watches are real.

[@Peterpic]

A watch is an accomplishment some people work for it then finally get it everyones different

[@ernestclayboniii656]

@@PeterpicGreat content!

[@judyhopscotch]

nowadays, people prefer super clone watches over the original as it's in a reasonable price and of high quality, people want to feel luxurious without having to spend thousand of dollars so i usually shop from wristova, it's pretty dope and is wonderful to gift someone.

[@swing8]

this is why I just stick with homage watches. I’m getting nice looking crap, but I’m only paying for nice looking crap. The only thing I’m paying more than $5k for is a Grand Seiko.

[@muratveli]

We need more super clones! These luxury brands need to learn it the hard way they can't keep charging obscenely high prices for their "luxury" watches!

[@xj1085]

Lol, superclone sells because demand for rolex are high. You make it sounds like rolex have inventory everywhere. If u want to buy a new one, you'll likely have to be on waiting list. And if u never buy from rolex before, they will never offer you daytona. And even if u have, they still won't offer you daytona 😂

[@boristhebladej8055]

It is so annoying to me that if you want to buy fucking Rolex you nead to put your name in waiting list and then after waiting for who knows how long they will sell you watch that costs thousands of dollars that is better then replica but you nead to use microscope to determine if it is fake or real.

[@riachanpien]

Which factory is it from? VSF? clean?

[@WristHunt]

He keeps saying he's not worried, he can tell... but I can tell you right off, those bracelets being produced now are exact fits and once refinished many authenticators like him can't tell. They just pretend so they can continue selling watches. I have seen the best authenticators here pass off fake bracelets as originals. You can easily swap parts and never know the difference. Good luck.. moral of the story is don't pay above retail.

[@Peterpic]

I’m not worried.. handle 100s of watches a month wether it be purchases or just looking they will never be perfect

[@WristHunt]

@@Peterpic Someone could have swapped some of the links and combined it with a Gen clasp. You cannot tell. Only Rolex can because they use a microscope. Also you are showing a cheap fake. There is better ones out there 😅

[@alexbigtoe4726]

So if you have a microscope you can see some difrences 😅😅

[@ManUmayrAbadi]

The only replica factory that produces and sells their watches in Europe and the United States is igrotum

[@douglasslifkin4924]

You should do a collab with Marco from grand caliber.

[@akhrormuminov7180]

Why😂

[@deepseadweller687]

The fakes are junk. Outside look close but wear it and see how long it lasts and it feels fake

[@Peterpic]

correct!

[@MorcosMeneur]

Criminals from igrotum hacked into the Rolex database, and now they are selling replicas with original documentation

[@melikatabeyli]

Scary how identical these replicas are starting to get, need to carry around a magnifying glass for this.

[@Peterpic]

Exactly, however I can usually just see it within a few seconds but toss a few real parts in the mix and boom you have a much harder situation on your hands

[@Ds92817]

True that Peter, real bezel, real dial, real hands and a real movement and then it’s much harder (still not impossible though, with a little knowledge and experience) - it can be helpful to know common serials the fake factories use but even then these can be customised for a premium….

[@Mariop92]

🐐🐐🐐

[@Christopher0632]

They're both real 🤣

[@Peterpic]

that's how scary it is haha

[@OakLawnSpeedShop]

Real one says Thirty One Jewels. Fake says 31 Jewels…..

[@cmg3988]

All these videos highlight tiny imperfections with crafting or the font…but how does it hold up as a time piece?If you need a magnifying glass to tell the difference and it functions the same then it just shows how overpriced Rolex’s are

[@TheRacerRich]

Interestingly I knew which one was fake at the start but the way he presented them while saying one was sent in I thought I was wrong, and thought to myself weird that the fake is the better one

[@KorrieJabalah]

igrotum is only replica company that have waiting list beacuse people sell their watches as originals so they are always out of stock

[@banistr]

I don't see a $14K difference....ha

[@Peterpic]

replica = worthless essentially real = liquid cash someone somewhere in the world will always buy a watch it really just depends on a persons financial means but they do look better on camera then in person.

[@patrickdeboer1377]

What ? Where do you buy those fakes ? Asking for a friend 😏

[@Peterpic]

no idea china I guess haha

[@Woodman.420]

Vsf

[@VSwatchfactory]

No,the movement of the movement is different.this is shanghai movement.and the movement of vs from dandong

[@johnswick7108]

I like ya but dude you glaze rolex so hard lol I like watches did a comparison with San Martin. I think you’d be surprised with some of the results.

[@Peterpic]

Bruhhh its the best brand honestly haha

[@johnswick7108]

@@Peterpic they are certainly one of the best.

[@JS-xk6dr]

I owned 5 high quality fake ones and no one knows! My money is in the bank ! Just saying 😂

[@Peterpic]

everyone has their own preferences, and financial means, for most a watch isn't just a flex it means something to them hence why they go real. if I was in a 3rd world country or one with a high crime rate id probably wear a replica as well not worth risking my life..

[@GeorgeA.Martinez]

igrotum is the best factory for replicas

[@SomeoneSmarter]

This is why I would never buy an expensive watch from a dealer. Many have a policy not to take the back off, so they can not tell real from superclone.

[@Molino-Red]

Not to disrespect authentic Rolex’s but im interested in purchasing a 1:1 super clone can anybody point me in the right direction?

[@MikeOrtiz-g2q]

Well I have a friend who talked about having this super clone from wristova online. They were like man this has made me crazy for how real it looks. Don't really understand the hype of replicas though.

[@NatashaOsgarby]

I only trust igrotum replicas because they are the best

[@RafaelRodriguez-de9nk]

There's no such thing as a $500 super clone... You're holding a mid grade copy.

[@Peterpic]

its made by a company called VSF which to my understanding is the best out there I sell real watches not this junk

[@RafaelRodriguez-de9nk]

I appreciate what you're doing here. This video is crazy informative! But, just for informational purposes, the watch in the video is from the clean factory. The VSF version of this watch has a cleaner crystal and a much better movement. Even more scary! Sell me that authentic broski!!!