FALLEN CITY SERIES: How New York Lost Their Sound! Stunted Growth Music

[@stuntedgrowthmusic]

Honorable mention: NY DJs stopped playing NY artist Def Jam taken over by Jay-z Too much Shiny suits Embracing drill Will NY dominate rap again?

[@nathanielparham2687]

U right I've been waiting

[@rasx]

I think the NY DJ's not playing NY artist contributed a lot...lack of unity in most cases i would say

[@macman1794]

Nah it's never coming back

[@rasx]

@@macman1794 big factz...it's ova...it had it's timee

[@bamnjphoto]

Jay Z taking over Def Jam got nothing with NY falling off 🤣🤣🤣 it was NY radio not promoting NY artists

[@AggravatedMan365]

Being from NYC myself I can't tell you how disappointed I am with how we've fallen off musically. I literally haven't listened to mainstream radio in well over 10 years. We used to be the standard now we have become copycats.

[@lincolnhamilton7043]

Facts

[@ForgetGeeze]

I’m from ct, my new project 1208 (artist name is geeze) is what you want to hear from the big east!!! I’m bringing real rap back,

[@mamadoubarrie6607]

I mean that’s not fully true we made the dance getting sturdy that’s original

[@drkdze]

Facts, I remember a time when there was a certain pride NY rapper's took in not sounding like each other.

[@drkdze]

​​​@@mamadoubarrie6607SMH, no disrespect but you have to be a youngin if you think they created the sturdy. Just Google it and you'll see the sturdy was like any trendy dance. It came, died, and came back again! White folks was doing that shit in the 70s before any rappers made it famous.

[@jordancorley828]

I think the internet has also changed how hip hop is spread throughout the world

[@CockLobster]

That may be so but as the narrator pointed out, artists back then were more concerned with the artistry and creating something meaningful over making money. Everything sounds the same because the drive for money overtook the need for creative expression. Now the mainstream is just pure copycats.

[@AlvinisFaithful]

Y’all remember when Joey badass dropped 1999 and then asap Rocky dropped “peso” and purple kisses? I thought “yup it’s coming back” and then clear soul forces was coming up. It was looking real good for a second.

[@johndavis9321]

Man 1999 was that shit I'll never forget the first time I heard fromthatomb I'm like man what is this to this day I still go back and jam that whole project

[@jaymac8421]

There’s never going to be another era in NY like the 90’s, we had young Nas, Big, WU, Tribe, AZ, Jay, Pun, X, Lox, Onyx, Lost Boyz, Public Enemy and so many more, a lot of these new dudes can’t rap, they don’t read, they aren’t creative and they’re drugged up and ignorant.

[@kaze7521]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@eastend.zulu.]

There will be and there can be. It’s not even NY. The whole up north has no culture but that’s gonna change

[@mamadoubarrie6607]

Ong their never be great era of nyc drill 2019- current we had edot baby, Kay flock, dthang, lee drilly, dougie b, b-lovee, sha ek, 22gz, bizzy banks, sugar hill keem, sheff g, sleepy hollow, coach da ghost, pop smoke, fivio foreign, 26ar, omb jaydee, and etc in terms of influence and impact on this era of nyc drill

[@johndavis9321]

​@@mamadoubarrie6607let's be honest bro half them names will be completely forgotten in about 6-8 years

[@terrelljackson1995]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@mamadoubarrie6607those dudes you are naming is for the moment they not going to be legendary or make timeless albums plus social media ny claiming crips and bloods now ain’t no leadership or it’s no real ny producers or productions teams

[@mackvelly8899]

I know folks hate Troy Ave but he was one of the last NYC rappers to truly rep it and didnt D-Ride the Souf.

[@Cogic]

Pop 💨

[@alexdawe-le4vj]

What do you mean by D riding the south? I never heard that

[@iamrightfool12]

Troy is ass!

[@johndavis9321]

​@@alexdawe-le4vjbasically just copy the south and try to sound like the south

[@johndavis9321]

This is true I think if not for all the shenanigans and the unnecessary Joey badass beef he could definitely still be hot today

[@NSIWorld]

As a Queens, NYC cat.....you nailed the analysis on why NYC rap is gone!

[@dirtyjamaica]

Real talk bro true story

[@QUNYC7]

Facts! QGTM

[@theheroinu]

2010 to 2012 is the Lost Era. This was when the new generation of New York Rappers should've come out with dope albums. Instead, that void was replaced by Drake, J. Cole, and Kendrick. By the time ASAP Rocky's debut dropped in 2013, the game had already changed.

[@Dantana773]

Griselda still got that NYC style and they go strong. And Nas still going strong.

[@idolgray]

Grisleda arent the only ones...many groups and artist in NY were making similar music or kept the so-called NY sound in tact...

[@lincolnhamilton7043]

@@idolgray same some

[@idolgray]

@@lincolnhamilton7043 roc Marciano (marcberg, reloaded), action Bronson (dr lector, Saab stories, joey badass, (1999, 2000) willie the kid, smoke DZA, mr. Muthafuckin exquire (lost in translation. Kismet) skyzoo. Hus kingpin, flatbush zombies ( better off dead, D.R.U.G.S). Nitty scott. Etc...got overlooked for most of the late 2000's and 2010...

[@Dantana773]

@@idolgray where did you see me say they were the only ones. Those words / narrative was never said 🤣🤣🤣🤣 but aight buddy

[@idolgray]

@@Dantana773 you named a 50 year old rapper and that crew from buffalo...as if they are the only ones still making that kind of rap...then asked me to name some like you weren't tapped in.

[@nate_thegreat313]

As a Queens MC, The Boombap sound will always be our identity. It really showcased a lyricist’s ability to push their pen further and expand their capabilities. The underground rap scene with people like Action Bronson, Lord Sko, Joey Badass, Dave East, Marlon Craft, Oswin Benjamin, Roc Marciano, Bishop Nehru to even some of the locals that could be sit next to you with high potential. That drill sound is becoming so repetitive and is ruining us because now everybody sound like everybody

[@iPhoon]

I hate drill

[@biggareid]

You should do a segment on Philly Rappers!

[@louisiana318ishify]

Social media definitely plays a part in NY downfall music is more accessible than ever before and picking up on a certain sound is nothing new anymore...this new generation don't really have an identity in hip hop anymore

[@Coltrane360]

Griselda carrying the sound

[@MarkHallOfFame]

Agreed!!!💯💯💯

[@jaymac8421]

Yeah but them dudes are in their late 30’s early 40’s, NY needs young new spitters instead of the drill shit

[@nbaoldhead4666]

They’re great but hardly enough

[@iamrightfool12]

Griselda isn't hitting on shit now. They were a flash in the pan

[@Dmagic716]

You not hearing the point lol 😅

[@Boom38119]

I'm from Florida. Can't stand NYC rappers sounding like the South or Drill rappers. I listen to the underdogs of NY like Troy Ave, Dave East, etc and i'm a huge fan of the Griselda roster. To me, Conway, Benny, and Westside are by far the standouts for East Coast NY sound rap. By faaaar!! They heavy in my spotify playlist.

[@wallaceisking]

I glad someone said it. He didnt mention Griselda at all..

[@wallaceisking]

@pasonjayne4635 Troy Ave fire - i dont see whats so funny

[@Boom38119]

@@wallaceisking he probably a taxstone stan 😂

[@johndavis9321]

​@@wallaceiskingwell this is an NYC video and as dope as Griselda is the reality is they are from Buffalo ie upstate NY which is dope and it's good to see that part of the state getting representation but the reality is it ain't NYC

[@MrWARBUCKS24]

Troy Ave and Dave East 2 of the corniest niggas to come out of the city but guess u like struggle bars

[@Messiah_Black]

I don’t know about the rest of y’all, but I still be buying & listening to more NY/East Coast artists than anything on the radio: Dave East, Griselda, BSF, Stove God, Flee Lord, Vado, Jim Jones, Ransome, Nas, Jada, Styles P, Sheek, AZ, Papoose, French Montana, Black Thought… East Coast ain’t dead, it just returned underground 🗽

[@Darksidepreme]

BRO YOU ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT! I BROKE THIS DOWN EXACTLY LIKE THIS TO A TEE ON A VIDEO I POSTED!! SHIT IS SAD

[@Rieky22]

As a native New Yorker I’m really tired of this dragged out drill shit it’s soooo annoying and saturated.

[@lovely1762]

And makes no damn sense.....😒

[@Spoog84]

​me too

[@rasx]

being from and living in NY, i rem when NY lost it's sound vividly...imo, it was around the mid 00z (prob like late 06). fashion changed and the sound instantly changed i remember. Neva recovered smh. I think stunts 2 & 3 hurt NY the most...ur dead on with this one

[@Brian00007]

Ever since chicken noodle came out in 2006 ny was trying to be like atl

[@RoyalEmpireEntTV]

Diplomats dropped Crunk Muzik & was selling Sizzurp...damn.

[@mackvelly8899]

​@@RoyalEmpireEntTVCam and the Dips always showed love to South. Jay-Z too. Jay used to be riding around listening to UGK in his Benz and even brought multiple copies of Ridin Dirty. He was a big fan

[@bamnjphoto]

@@mackvelly8899 no they was just giving them props stop the cap 🧢😂

[@mackvelly8899]

@@bamnjphoto I witnessed this as a kid. How u gonna tell me

[@skinnyminnieog]

I’am from the south but fell in love deeply with everything about New York, sad seeing sonically the state that it’s in now

[@CockLobster]

The real ones know how important the sonics are, when it goes beyond your ears to your heart and soul. When the beat alone tells a story and isn't just noise. And the lyrics are deep and knowledgeable, not shallow.

[@skinnyminnieog]

@@CockLobster hell yeah, that’s true💯🎯

[@Derikmitchell831]

I couldn’t agree more! And I’m from NY! And still live here! I guess everything/everyone Has their time! But for us to loose our identity and sound is crazy/sad

[@lincolnhamilton7043]

@stuntedgrowthmusic7312 the funny part is Griselda is bringing that old NYC 90s/2000s sound back, but they’re from Buffalo (6 hours away from NYC)

[@idolgray]

Never went anywhere....

[@x_VineM_x]

​@@idolgray Who, OP or Griselda?

[@Rellfromthe4]

@@idolgrayAll of Griselda is literally rich Wym they didn’t get anywhere lol.

[@davehardenburg2924]

Definitely agreed stunted growth. Like biting was a sin now they don't just care at all. Dope video.

[@jaygee2]

Being from the East Coast, I've grown up appreciating the musical artistry that had poured out of NYC. While we are still on the topic, find out what happened to one of my favorite groups, The Lost Boyz. Love , Peace , and Nappiness was the soundtrack to my life in the mid 90s! Thanks for the great content ✊🏾

[@MrWARBUCKS24]

Freaky Tah got killed is what to the Lost Boyz

[@lincolnhamilton7043]

They need to bring back that episode on this channel.

[@BKLYN_TZU]

Thanks to Giuliani he shut down the clubs that was the main scene here in NY back in the '80s & '90s and Ebro from hot 97 programming the station to play nothing but southern hip-hop New York didn't lose it's sound because modern boom bap is doing very well it's not mainstream honestly who wants to be mainstream nowadays anyway all those artists all sound the same but we are doing better then the West Coast 😂😂😂😂

[@AggravatedMan365]

The tunnel used to be lit

[@necrophagiakc]

Yessir my G and gentrification downtown in the Bowery and L.E.S. they started zoning you couldn't have a club in residential neighborhoods then Giuliani made the noise ordinance also which shut down our car culture the D's ticketing people stupid

[@BKLYN_TZU]

@@necrophagiakc neceophagiakc big factz

[@henning14]

@@AggravatedMan365that’s what I thought too. The lost of The Tunnel

[@Davo32310]

How u doing better than the west when u follow us?😂😂

[@r.k.d.6111]

Yooo excellent new series SGM! I like it! Keep em' coming.

[@theheroinu]

IMO, this was the best video.

[@lebronjordan3098]

Compared to the South and other regions New York Rap has always been more reliant on sampling as opposed to creating your own distinct dope sound. Tighter copyright laws made sampling less accessible and New York fell off because they couldn't adapt or change with the times. No new sounds or trends have come out of New York since the 90s.

[@johndavis9321]

True but if you listen to a lot of these NYC drill beats their usually a popular song sampled and put on it so I don't think copyright is that big a deal

[@MrWARBUCKS24]

Has nothing to do with copyright laws these newer dudes just aren’t creative

[@lebronjordan3098]

@MrWARBUCKS24 That was already insinuated in my initial post, read carefully.

[@JayLew91]

As a New Yorker (BK all day) i hate that all the rappers sound like evwryone else. NYC always had its own style and mattered in the hiphop world. We always had at least 1 top 5 rapper in the mix. Its disappointing

[@AD3Basketball]

JC, love the viewpoints. Especially the internal beefing, I never considered that.

[@mxhughes]

I've always felt that way about the newer generation of nyc artists in the late 00's not taking over.Guys like juelz santana n lloyd banks were in prime positions to be superstars but personal n business issues had them fall back.Then guys with serious hype like papoose,saigon,jae millz never materialized once the punchline mixtape era started dying down and others passed away,went to jail or never had traction outside the tri state region. Plus we also gotta factor black record labels falling off.Once rocafella,diplomat,g unit n ruff ryders fell off lots of label dependent artist didn't know how to handle stuff on their own

[@RockyLotto]

Facts Jae Millz was really going crazy 03-06. Papoose had a short run and Saigon never dropped that album

[@mxhughes]

​@@RockyLottoand unfortunately alot of new york artist didn't know how to grind independently they always got use to being connected or waiting outside these labels business buildings and begging for a opportunity.Ppl can diss the south all they want but one thing they gotta respect is that them guy's know how to grind on their own if everything else fails

[@andresciahooten9598]

Can you please do a video on Azealia Banks, Young M.A., Angie Stone, Queen Latifah, Will Smith, Jodeci, Boyz II Men, Brian McKnight, Silk, Hi-Five, Lil Wop, YoYo, Alicia Keys, EnVouge, etc

[@jasonmassplayingmusic5533]

The beginning of NYC losing their sound goes all the way back to 1994 with the emergence of Bad Boy…Puff abandoned NYC’s trademark sound for something more accessible and R&B sounding…Bad Boy and Puff but the production values of what was popular on the west coast…#iykyk

[@maroon9273]

Puffy new sound was inspired by new jack swing and rapping for that ladies via uptown records were doing in the early 90s.

[@jasonmassplayingmusic5533]

Correct BUT it was Puffy and Bad Boy that sold that sound to a mass audience not Uptown Records…@@maroon9273

[@S2hawnn]

Love videos like this. Really opens the mind

[@BoLuke]

You gotta do a video on the Detroit rap scene.

[@DeeVine999]

Amazing Content❤

[@necrophagiakc]

The downfall started because of Ebro programming Southern music over NY music they would play that "Whisper Song" 20xs a day then zoning you couldn't have clubs in residential neighborhoods which is basically lower Manhattan so we started losing our clubs the more they started building hi rises downtown and gentrifying certain areas like the Bowery and L.E.S. and Guliani made noise ordinances so you couldn't blast music anymore the D's would ticket you and search your vehicle for extra bs..

[@smokindatshit8268]

Yeah Blame the south just like y’all blamed the west but last I checked y’all have been literally biting everyone y’all claimed where whack and showed no love to

[@jaymac8421]

It’s funny because Ebro blamed 50! Lol

[@crazymtfcrazyblue3142]

​@@smokindatshit8268Their not blaming the south theh blaming ebro he pushed east cost artist away from radio play then have the nerve to turn around and ask what happened to the sound of nyc

[@smokindatshit8268]

@@crazymtfcrazyblue3142 cool story bro Most New Yorkers will bash the south bash the west coast Literally blame the west coast and the south for what they think is the fall of hip hop and cry like babies and they don’t even support each other This is why artists in the south and the west coast thrive and don’t need features Input or anything from the east and now you have New Yorkers literally acting like they’re either down south artists, Chicago drill rappers, or west coast gangster rappers and even start their own chapters of gangs for other regions New York killed itself with music and creativity Seriously, y’all blame radio stations, y’all blame the west coast, the south, anyone who’s popular and and getting money that’s not form New York To be honest New Yorkers can blame everyone they want but they’re just a joke 😂😂

[@crazymtfcrazyblue3142]

@@smokindatshit8268 You putting past perception from the 90s on people who are making music now who are born in the early 2000s those New Yorkers don't care and don't know of that era. They listen and play whoever as long as it sounds good but its the older nyc cats from the Biggie and Pac era who still feel a way about the south but they was the same ones who left nyc for dead. They didn't want to sign anyone from their own city, sold their companies, moved their radio stations, and don't even try to be around nor guide the younger generation of nyc unless they fit the ideology of what they view hip hop. Lil Durk, Gherbo, Lil Baby embrace nyc drill rappers easily while the old cats side eye them and that's why nyc not gonna be on top when people form their own town don't fck with them. 50 and Nicki probably the only ones out of all the nyc old heads who did because they weren't trying to force the past on the younger generation their just happy seeing nyc rappers making moves.

[@bootneyleefarnsworth7307]

@10:51 Hip-Hop isn't a genre of music...it's a 1970s Bronx subculture that died out in the early 80s. Rapping/Rap was a part of Black American society DECADES before the Hip-Hop movement existed. Also the South has run the Rap game for OVER 20 years, the end of this year will be the 22nd year of dominance.

[@andrewfitzpatrick9741]

“Preach!!”

[@theheroinu]

This is one of the best videos this channel has done.

[@theheroinu]

The second Stunt Growth was deep. In the 2010s, there was a small window where New York rappers could've dropped albums that would be influential to the game (2010 - 2012). But that window closed once Kendrick Lamar dropped Good Kid, MAAD City, in October 2012. The game had already changed now. By that time, the new New York rappers have now been compared to Drake, J. Cole and Kendrick Lamar. For instance, ASAP Rocky's debut was fire. But the industry kept comparing him to Drake, Kendrick, and J. Cole based on certain standards.

[@joelmcleod6521]

I agree with the beefing and sounding like other regions. I think also hot97 played a major part as well. When 50 drew lines in the sand, and ringtone and snap rap were dominating the airwaves, I couldnt listen to the radio anymore. I was listening to r&b and neo-soul more. Then I heard exhibit C on hot97 and was like oh shit, who this??!!?? Nyc rap on the radio?? But Jay was from N.O. There was artist that still had nyc flava, but from different regions (Jay Elect, Little Brother, Slum village, lupe, etc...)So I kinda still got my lyrical, storytelling, knowledge dropping, fix to soothe my ears. But I had to dig into youtube to find gems....

[@TrybeVybez]

Hip hoo actually began outta Jamaica but it's commonly known to come out the Bronx... Hell i seen hella videos where hip-hop is being displayed just never given that title...

[@TheThinkingMansTemplar]

This is spot on. No rebuttle needed.. Signed a NYer

[@yoshamell]

Good vid... & i'm from NY!! ...

[@socrittylove]

Jersey has it’s own sound.. chill Cuzzo.

[@dwaynejpeterkin]

New York radio stations didn’t want to give the new cats a chance plus all the popular rappers that were in New York in the 2000 were beefing with each other instead of uniting and after 50 it was dead they didn’t let Fabolous shine

[@johnrobert7059]

Excellent thesis

[@desmondclark3193]

I blame the non FBA people. They brought their weird foreign music and blended it with with our culture. And Latinos had nothing to do with hip hop. Stop spreading that lie.

[@omega_thadon401]

Heyy, caan you please do The Beatnuts next?? Plzzz

[@JayDaReactor]

You have to do LA for a fallen city cause the west had it for a while

[@MarkHallOfFame]

He did that one already.

[@kidactivistt47]

@@MarkHallOfFamesend the link?

[@blairfresh8629]

West still has it? What you mean??Kendrick Lamar? Vince Staples, Tyler the creator, Ab Soul, YG, Larry June, boogie, Jay Rock, Nipsey, Earl sweatshirt ,D.Smoke, Baby Keem... None of them sound the same and original

[@Somebodys-unc]

Im still out here pushing good music❤❤

[@Heisenberg-sg7mc]

Can you do dej loaf 🎉

[@stuntedgrowthmusic]

Got you

[@PPHDocumentaries]

NY artist started biting each other before they started biting the south. I think the beggining of the end for NY hip Hop is when too many NY artist started biting eachother and not enough artist was trying to be original. They were looking for the safest route possible to make a hit record.

[@maroon9273]

Not only NYC, but the entire east coast lost its sound every body want to be trap, drill, ratchet and stripper/304 so called rapper. Everybody is on the midwest, south and west coast sound wave. Meek mill had confirm prior to blowing up by rapping over trap beats. I feel the UK lost its sound as well. All thanks to drill.

[@vertisriles9082]

Thats why I love Sunday service on shade 45, sirius xm cause they play that boom bap shit including new music from that genre

[@mauricehamilton4025]

As someone who was raised in NYC i feel NY rappers put themselves in a creative bubble during the 90's by not exposing being exposed to other regions of culture and music hot 97 was the radio station that played rap music And NOTHING outside of nyc music was played But other places played music from all over so they were able to develop their own sound and those artists got alot of local support and were able to gain a fan base outside of where they were from before the days of the Internet the only way to hear music other than the radio was rap city or video musicbox thats where i heard no limit cash money bone thugs and harmony Eminem I though NY rap should try to adapt but we never did when ny tried it was to late we could've been on the forefront of the new sound of rap but every where else beat us to the punch

[@elmayimbe_the_amateur_mechanic]

We never pushed Griselda here and that was tragic.

[@mxhughes]

Because they not from nyc they from buffalo and nyc never looked at buffalo as a equal at all we're like a distant cousin

[@drkdze]

ASAP Rocky holding down the NY sounds!?!? What!?!? He was one of the main dudes to be bringing in a different sound to NY hip hop. Go back and listen to his old shit, if someone didn't tell you he was from NY, you would have thought he was from Texas!

[@joelmcleod6521]

100%. He had ny swag but texas type rap style.

[@theheroinu]

@@joelmcleod6521 However, when ASAP took a hiatus, a rapper from Texas supposedly took his style. Real hustlers don't sleep.

[@hirokomlm131]

Y'all are thinking to deep about this. The eighties NY Hip Hop sampled sixties, seventies and early eighties musicians. Because they were busy sampling instead of learning instruments, they made no music for the following generations of hip hop to sample. So the new generations had to start creating their own beats from scratch sitting at a computer, and let's just say those beats don't have quite the same energy and soul as The Funky Drummer.

[@thickmomma7247]

I'm born and raised in the south and though I am a fan of southern rap, I do miss that up north sound. Sadly, there's no variety anymore. I hope New York rappers and just rappers from up north period will soon make a comeback.

[@Rao_Rolland]

They lost their identity first. When they started rapping like The South and bangin West Coast gangs was when NY died.

[@sorethumbs379]

If New York was smart they'd get behind Griselda as much as they get behind Ice Spice and all of those trash Drill rappers...Also get rid of that wave riding Funk Flex DJ

[@justineebourgeois3420]

Pop Smoke was gonna be the one to save NYC . R.I.P. 😢

[@woo_shynen8805]

He was imo. Him and stack bundles had the swagger to bring ny back.

[@theheroinu]

@woo_shynen8805 Definitely Stack Bundles. I wonder how the rap scene would've looked like if Stack Bundles had never died...

[@bootneyleefarnsworth7307]

Rap and Hip-Hop are both Black AmericanDOS creations, however they're two different things with different histories. Ninety-nine percent of the time when people say Hip-Hop what they really mean is Rap, the "Hip-Hop" term needs to be fazed out when discussing music. Technically, Hip-Hop is a youth movement that was birthed in the Bronx and died there. The Hip-Hop term has been misused and thrown around loosely and inappropriately for decades, it's caused confusion and that's one of the reasons Rap doesn't have a proper standard history as a music genre. You don't associate the creation of Blues or Jazz with any type of separate youth or cultural movement so why would you do it with Rap?

[@queenofnyc5584]

No it’s just New York creation not no black American creation, every culture and race has contributed to hip hop, New York a melting pot state for a reason, it’s New York City creation.

[@bootneyleefarnsworth7307]

They're both Native Black American creations as I've already said. Rap started in the South and Hip-Hop is some Bronx chiit.

[@briantomcollins]

As a CT guy, i miss the 90's...

[@idolgray]

We never had a singular sound...anybody that thinks NY only made whatever definition of "boom bap" is a casual listener and revisionist. Uptown had it's own sound, which was mid tempo to uptempo call and response party music. Queens had a multitude of sounds ranging from jazz influenced tribe called quest to hardcore grimey sound of onyx. Go back and listen to popular NY hip hop from the early 2000's or late 90's. "Knock yourself out", "Holla holla" , "ruff ryders anthem", "cant deny it, "in da club etc wasnt "boom bap"...neither was dipset/cam..also that sound never went ANYWHERE...it just went back to being underground with little commercial appeal.

[@JayLew91]

True never a singular sound, but a different sound all its own. Even the producers like Swizz Beats and Just Blaze made NY sound different. Other than Joey Badass and ASAP (maybe others more underground) the rest of them sound like they could be from anywhere else.

[@idolgray]

@@JayLew91 several artist on the indie scene sounding New york the last 10+ years. People just think of it doenst sound like 1995 it's not new york... no city mainstream acts sound the way their city did 20 years ago...uzi and meek dont sound like state prop, ATL dont sound like dungeon family etc..drill kids actually sound like New York kids, eventhough not a fan of that movement..

[@JayLew91]

@@idolgray it doesn't have to sound like old NY. And I mentioned that there are underground (indie) artists out there. My point was that what's popping right now sounds like copy cat of everyone else. There is still a southern sound and west coast sound even though it's different than it was.

[@maroon9273]

Even songs like juicy, crush on you, ready or not, if I rule the world, lifes a bitch, one more chance, sugar hill and ect in the early to 90s were not boom bap productions. Even most of the records in the 80s were not boom bap at all.

[@idolgray]

@@JayLew91 the "trap" sound is the current sound of mainstream hip hop. Tyler the creator sound is more easctcoast than traditional west coast.. kendrick raps over trap beats...cole influences are more east coast. He doesn't sound southern at all. "Ruff ryder" anthem wouldnt be considered a NY record if it came out now...neither would most popular NY rap from the early 2000's.

[@gregorynetus5557]

I been saying the same thing for more than 15 years.im from queens new york.and them new rappers sound like southern rappers.i been listening to new york rap music since the 1980s.i miss them days.run dmc.nas.wu tang clan.mobb deep.the lox.kool g rap and dj polo.eric b and rakim.ll cool j.mc lyte.the fugees.onyx.etc.i want the real new york back.new york hadthe best storytelling mcs also.word up son

[@80sBaby510]

I’d rather the boom bap sound for New York over that drill sound

[@TonyChase365]

this is the most important video you made thus far

[@Eazygame888]

Im in a process of writing and recording a song about how rappers be copying other hot artists just to stay relevant. Theres barely such thing as individuality in 2020s Hiphop

[@Nbf.Empire]

I felt this as a New Yorker smh

[@mringram]

Truth

[@futureDreamer4]

Word! Being from NY it's so depressing that NY rappers all sound like the same now. One needs little thought to make a drill or trap sound/album. Just throw on the overused ice crushing beat and throw some random words together or mumbling. Then boom generic rap. I can't listen to today's hip hop. I am so glad that Nas and Lupe are still making music that I enjoy.

[@lebronjordan3098]

If Trap is so simple and easy to make then why hasn't New York had an answer for it?

[@knotharmony]

Can you pleaseeeee do The Pack! The had to e viral hit “Vans” I’ve been so curious about them lately - love the vids btw

[@Brian00007]

They were trash

[@YOUNGDOFFTV]

Lol they fell off hard after their second album then Lil B started callin himself ghey

[@knotharmony]

@@Brian00007 them being trash has nothing to do with me wanting to know what happened to em

[@Brian00007]

@@knotharmony I gotcha

[@theheroinu]

"The Lost Era" was very powerful.

[@NCOMBHOODIE]

it’s hard for artist today to live up to the great New York rappers . they have at 5 of the top 10 rappers of all time from there and they were all hot at the same time . the future of New York never stood a chance

[@sabirabdul-lateef5352]

We lost our identity when crips and bloods took over.

[@ld7king720]

You should definitely do Philly

[@twin78]

@stuntedgrowthmusic I'll give you an example of how NYC music SHOULD sound like in this current era: Griselda (Westside Gunn, Benny The Butcher, Conway The Machine, Armani Caesar) and Trust Gang (38 Speech, Che Noir, Ransom, etc) and THEY AREN'T EVEN FROM NYC! They rep Buffalo and Rochester, NY. The LOX still have that gritty NY sound, but it's been a grip for them bros. Good FCS! This was a great video!

[@Supreme36074]

I think it just has more to do with the rise of the internet along the same time line… nowadays everyone sounds the same because the internet got everyone listening to the same music, before hand you had more diversity amongst rhyme styles because every region had its own sound. The Midwest was the only region they blended the regions. Someone will rise however.

[@HarryClipzFilmz]

What’s your Take on Scarlip, her sound sounds a lot like that 90’s

[@Mrderrickacheampong1]

As a Canadian I'll always loved NY Rap but NY Rap has been way too watered down nowadays thats im happily glad that NY got Griselda showing that its more than just Drill.

[@Roy_Al_Blak202]

NYC has their biases but I appreciated their authentic sound

[@DJPRINCENAMOR]

Ny got its sound officially back in 2015 with Griselda. Black Soprano Family Jersey Mcs Ransom , Mach Hommy,Nas just dropped 5 albums. Smoke Dza Roc Marci , Cormega Action ABronson , Joey Badass/Pro Era, Lloyd Banks , Fabolous , Rome Streetz Stove God, Undrground Smoov, Hus Kingpin Tha Musalini Ap da overlord etc . Other regions took NY blueprint Lil Wayne wasnt poppin till he took the Jayz approach Rick Ross bit the Biggie Approach 2 chainz raps like a punch line mc.

[@Kev_-qm1je]

Dave East, Smoke Dza, W&G, Benny, & Conway the only ones that still have that east coast sound

[@princemastaking]

Remember the West Coast was dominating hip hop for a while, almost put Def Jam out of business. Can you please do another fallen cities episode Los Angeles California.

[@bamnjphoto]

No Bad Boy almost put Def Jam out of business

[@princemastaking]

@@bamnjphoto Hmm let's look at Diddy and Bad Boy Entertainment: Notorious B.I.G, Craig Mack, Faith Evans, Total, Ma$e, 112, The LOX, Black Rob, Shyne, Loon, Da Band, Cassie, (Bad Boy South: 8Ball & MJG Boyz n da Hood, Yung Joc), Dainty Kane, Cheri Dennis, Day 26, Donnie Klang, Mario Winans, French Montana, MGK, Diddy Dirty Money. Not sure about them almost putting Def Jam out of business part bro.

[@bamnjphoto]

@@princemastaking at the height of Death Row was the height of Bad Boy 😂 they was dominating the charts at the same damm time and after Death Row demise. I bet you around 30 years old or younger and wasn't there 🤣🤣

[@princemastaking]

@@bamnjphoto OK you can put Death Row Records up there. Now let's look at Def Jam: Run DMC, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Slick Rick, EPMD, Onyx, Flatlinerz, Redman, Method Man, Warren G, Foxy Brown, Jayo Felony, Flesh n Bone, Jay-Z, DMX, Ja Rule, Rocafella, Def Squad, Murder INC, Ludacris, Scarface, DTP, Joe Budden, Kanye West, Ghostface Killah, Young Jeezy, CTE, Nas, 2Chains, Teyana Taylor, Big Sean, YG, Jadakiss, and many more and still going strong.

[@maroon9273]

Sad how the g funk sound died off and was replaced by annoying ratchet music sound from dj mustard.

[@lincolnhamilton7043]

I been waiting for this one. My city ain’t the same when it comes to music. It’s sad.

[@123theprodigy5]

I think Nas was right when he said hip-hop was dead, hip-hop really is dead, at least for New York City.

[@jamesgibson3716]

They got pissed when he said that. Truth hurts..

[@123theprodigy5]

@@jamesgibson3716 I think he was right, despite not specifying what he meant by that initially, he was right in the long term. it’s sad that 50 years later, hip-hop is no longer poppin off in New York City anymore.

[@theveteran8546]

Jay Z/ Nas/Styles P are three of my top 5 NY rarely embraced others I think it held them back imo

[@weezfromw.p.2865]

Ny Rappers always beefed even when it was a east coast west coast beef

[@zaydagoat6952]

That was mostly a competitive thing ny rappers wasnt trying kill niggas in da streets they was trying to kill niggas in a lyrical way

[@bamnjphoto]

I was a kid when Sugar Hill Gang dropped, so I been through multiple iterations of changing guard and sound of NY HipHop and throughout those changes up until around 2007 it was about originality, having rhyme skills not just for the underground. After around 2007 the aboveground artists got lazy with the bars, started sounding like others, NY radio was saturated with other region music I saw Drake doing a Funkmaster Flex freestyle session using a BlackBerry phone and still getting cosigned 😂 that's when I knew NY Hip Hop was done

[@mamadoubarrie6607]

I mean nyc got multiple freestyle stations like shot by oa/ hazard lights, blockwork tv, on the radar, one mic, open mic, and etc all in nyc

[@bamnjphoto]

@@mamadoubarrie6607 yes and battle rap is still flourishing but we talking about mainstream music

[@mamadoubarrie6607]

It is mainstream Drake and central cee were just on on the radar freestyle and the they be getting crazy views

[@bamnjphoto]

@@mamadoubarrie6607 ok got nothing to do with the topic at hand

[@CalisRemedy]

Lloyd Banks had the potential to be much bigger

[@theheroinu]

Especially with his Hunger for More 2 album.

[@fuhyou3223]

I don’t think NY should care about being dominant again. All that depends on the rest of the country liking their music. We don’t. I think NY should focus on making the best music they can make. Leave that drill crap alone. Craft better lyrics. Stop saying no cap and using all this other junk that’s not native to NY. NY having blood and crip rappers are an absolute EMBARRASSMENT to humanity. Puffs over commercialization of the game in 1997 hurt them tremendously. All that flossing that rappers talked about after that was absolute garbage. I think it was a special time in NY in the 90’s. You had GIANTS emerge from NY in the 90’s whose music we can look back on fondly to this day. It’s not just NY but the rap game is full of lightweights everywhere these days that’s how puppies like J. Cole got big these days because this era SUCKS!! When Jay and Nas pass away it’s gonna be tough for NY because they do it better than EVERYBODY even to this day. All you can do is accept what you have and pray for a better day.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Noir_Nouveau]

When the streets changed the sound changed.

[@zaydagoat6952]

When all that new york drill started

[@HieiDaHellSpawn94]

You definitely need to do Dc next for falling series

[@RAZYRAZY1124]

DC a lot city but they never been on fr

[@KIrvin_The_Scholar]

I'm from LA. Only artist I bump out of NY now are Nas, some Wu members, Griselda, Rock Marciano, 38 Spesh, El Camino, Jim Jones, a lil Dave East, Eto, Flee Lord, Flatbush Zombies, Smoke Dza, Joey Badass & Jada & Fab when they have releases. I like the traditional sound but not really messing wit that new drill mumble shit they been on.

[@DJBlack909]

Factor this in as well: Radio Stations like Hot 97 and Power 105.1 turning their back on their local artists.

[@TheMossNet]

2:02 the drill sound originated in the UK

[@Twin_shawn021]

Bardi B dnt sound like nobody from the sound Rest In Paradise Pop Smoke sound like himself foh

[@wallaceisking]

What about Griselda? They have all East Coast / New York Artist and sound: Westside Gunn - Benny The Butcher- Conway The Machine- 38 Spesh - Rome Streetz - Stove God Cooks- All these artist are poppin. and holding down New York Hip Hop music.

[@bruceking7416]

New York can never lose wat they made (Hip-Hop)

[@BravuraLeeVim]

How many of the people who created Hiphop are still in New York? From what I see, most of the rappers in NY now are first and maybe second generation African and Caribbean people. So how many of these young guys actually care about what NY Hiphop used to be?

[@bruceking7416]

@@BravuraLeeVim Big facts, bruh

[@MotoBodega]

When you gonna do LA

[@jamessmith2705]

New styles knocked New York outta the game...

[@kinginc2000]

It's a lot of things you said, I feel are not accurate. The south was already taking off when Nas and Jay went at it. Juvenile 400 Degrees, Outkast, Goodie Mob, No Limit we're putting up numbers. What you didn't mention was the guys that were put on after 89. Shackled, sabotaged, and blocked talent. The oaposes and Saigons had to put themselves on, instead of the 90s class ushering these dudes in, they used the new generation to try and extend their runs. The new generation had to break through via mixtapes. The 2000s vets are responsible for the state of ny.