FALLING IN LOVE: Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered

[@li.toroptsov]

Hi! About the dream. I couldn't help but notice that the dreamer is an expert assembler at a jewelry making business. If I understand it correctly he is the one who inserts precious stones in jewelry pieces. If so, this is a high precision job to align gems, so to speak. This motive of alignment pops in the dream as he says one of his front teeth "skews out of alignment". Often teeth are referred to as pearls which brings us into the dreamer's professional shop. I'd explore this further. For example how the upcoming change of life decided with his partner throws the dreamer out of alignement, including professionally. Thank you for a wonderful episode!

[@kissmyasssutube]

Well Done 👍

[@theotherpen15]

Had to take a pause while listening around halfway through just to process through some feelings and thoughts that started bubbling up... Cause after all I think love and heartbreak is a touchy subject for everyone lol... But in that, for me, I like how Joseph mentioned that at some point one must choose love rather than to be possessed by it. And in a weird way, though it still kinda pisses me off (cause fuck heartbreak 😂😭❤️💔), i think the deep reason we experience heartbreak is in a sense because we break our own hearts. Like the "spirit of Aphrodite/Eros" just opens us up to this new dimension one day and... Well... It's magical, wonderful, divine and we get heart broken because we end up doing things that inevitably shut the door on it or there are things in us that are unconsciously shutting the door. So in that "choosing" of love we have to take responsibility for our experience of love and essentially take living care of ourselves and no longer do the things that block us from love. I guess the analogy is sort of like we must no longer abuse love or ourselves/hearts. We can't be like "whores of Babylon" and simply giving ourselves away to attitudes, people, places, and things for free that will inevitably damage our beautiful hearts and don't value love but instead take good care of ourselves as if our heart was a child and place it somewhere where love can flourish. To open our heart to the beauty of love but in ignorance not understanding how fragile and easily the door is closed is what leads to heartbreak. A sort of inner reaction to a cosmic violation or "sin" we knowingly or unknowingly committed I.e. We in a sense we're already living a heartless existence and we only experience heartbreak after learning there was more but not knowing we live a life that doesn't make room for love. So we must choose (like the vampire must be invited in) to orient ourselves in such a way that always has a chair available at the the dinner table for love

[@madhuryabalan4118]

Love, how does it expand me, how does this develop me, enlarge and deepen me ? Beautiful

[@megamonstercookies]

This was quite the powerful episode

[@Anna-lv8mm]

Great episode, thank you! ❤️

[@jeromeelcham1447]

When love is confined to a person, I think this love is for the ego. The self has all, and is all, so how can it fall involve ? This is where I'm at with my own analysis. Our language has been shaped by studying the ego. I feel when phycological science moves to the study of the self, our language about these matters will change.

[@d.a2026]

And we fall in love with parts in the other we have rejected in ourselves?

[@JohnDoe-fc3nh]

PASSIONATE LOVE . Passionate love is almost inevitable. It is a consequence of the universal law of polarity that applied to the psychological apparatus of the human being led to the unconscious-conscious split. It is also a learning tool through the mirroring provided by the Other of those characteristics that are lacking in us. As such, passions are necessary and good while they last, even if somewhat illusory. They are a part of a learning process through our own life experiences and they make us be unconsciously attracted to those who manifest the characteristics that we lack to be complete. The more incomplete we are in our awareness, the more we tend to fall in love and the more intense passions will be. It may seem strange to hear it for some but the greater the passion and the capacity to fall in love for someone, the greater the emotional need that these people reflect. This statement can only seem strange to these people because passionate love is confused with true, non-compulsive and conscious love. Love is not an emotion nor a positive feeling, but a vibrational state of the Self. There is a world of difference between these two things. . Usually people think they know what love is and they also think that they are looking for genuine love and even that they do love someone an awful lot. But what they are not aware of is the narcissistic natures of their own Egos, who live in fear and lack of self-esteem. This serious lack of self-esteem holds a person hostage to a vicious circle from which it is very difficult to escape. If, on the one hand, passionate love makes someone continually go in search of the Other, of his own complement, just as a drug addict needs his next fix, on the other hand, as soon as he finds the Other immediately the defense mechanisms of his Ego come into action and prevent love from flowing between them. That being so, it follows that all people are afraid of love, with greater or lesser awareness of that fact, and that is also why all they want is simply to possess each other, which often leads to their mutual self-destruction. The death fear of the Ego morphs into a love fear because true love can only mean surrendering the Ego and even its death. Before giving in by submitting and surrendering, the Ego must get past its Shadow, which is the thing it fears the most. The Ego fears losing himself in the Other, losing control of itself when facing the unknown, it fears losing its identity by giving up its usual personal beliefs, dramas, traumas and stories. For this reason, men and women are mutually suspicious and fear each other, for the same reason that they do not know and do not understand themselves. At this precise point is where jealousy appears in the scene, because in the search for the possession of the Other the Ego makes the individual fear his neighbor, with whom he compares and fears that he has more to offer than himself. . Because of this situation, people not only do not have genuine love to offer, but they confuse the search for love with the search for the possession of the Other, so they can obtain a false and temporary feeling of security, their next fix. But after the initial phase when the enthusiasm for the superficial discovery of the Other comes to an end, the moment of truth finally arrives as it always happens with any drug addict in a state of lack. At that point, for both the infatuated and the drug addict cases, the combination of their inner voids and lack of self-esteem, with fear and the inability to surrender their Egos, makes the Other become boring and shortly after the culprit of our emptiness. Soon after, the Other will be held responsible for not fulfilling our needs. It is also at this same point that violence and the different forms of aggression against the Other begin through the projection of our own suffering upon him. As Agostinho da Silva tells us: “He who speaks of love does not truly love: he may wish, he may possess, he may be doing a fine literary work, but he doesn't really love; only the conquest of the ordinary is by the ordinary proclaimed to the four winds; when you love, in silence you love.” . Now looking at the same passionate love issue from a different perspective, as there are always at least two complementary sides, the proclivity to fall in love on the part of someone is also equivalent to that same person's aptitude to fall in love with life, at least as long as there are lessons to be learned in life through others, therefore, passions should never be silenced by repression, but rather replaced by the best and most inclusive ability to love. As the years go by and as we acquire experience, the ability to fall in love can be seriously compromised, but not because self-sufficiency, self-esteem and wisdom have been acquired meanwhile, but on the contrary and most often because we wound up being resentful, skeptical, disbelieving in people and became victims of our own bitter life experiences. When we get to that point we may have lost all capacity to love someone in a mature way some day and even in any other way, whatsoever. . The only way to effectively resolve the roller coaster like passions and their emotional ups and downs in a non self-deceitful way, besides being totally sure of that, is to acquire self-esteem and self-knowledge, overcoming the permanent, inner state of lack and need that will never be effectively supplied by others, to then have the capacity to love them, as well as the world, with serenity, without narcissistic, selfish demands and even, paradoxically, with much greater intensity. The practical outcome of this wisdom is the manifestation of com-passion, meaning passion together, for all those who still sail in the violent waters of passion only to fall victim of the disillusion that follows and of resentment and depression, because others are never what we imagine they are or what we expected them to be. . Additionally, all the dammed emotions within us can lead to many and different kinds of diseases, leading also in the specific case of love to the inevitable jealousy, which quickly degenerates into envy and finally leads to hatred, in a very typical 180 degree dualistic fluctuation of the Ego, which easily passes from one extreme to the other. On the other hand, love is an offering, a gift and reflects the inner wisdom that has already been acquired, which later turns into compassion. As long as we are inhabited by shadows that we are unaware of, passions are always going to keep happening. But one should not fight the inner shadows, one illuminates them so that they are assimilated. The light that dispels shadows is the sword of knowledge that kills ignorance, because shadows are just unfulfilled wisdom, contrary to what is said and thought of, while the real villain is the Ego that separates the conscious from the unconscious where that wisdom that we need to integrate to become whole lies. . (from the book DUALITY AND THE DIVINE CHILD, by Adrian Boldman)

[@redruby8529]

The New Age is constantly trying to simplify Jung, leading to spiritual bypassing. and all sorts of fake gurus. There is absolutely no info on this author and this book has zero reviews. Not suspicious at all.

[@JohnDoe-fc3nh]

@@redruby8529 Dear Joy, you know what, only worshipers with no critical thinking of their own make hasty pre-conceited judgements, look desperately for external references and make comments on people and everything else but on the conveyed ideas themselves...😉

[@redruby8529]

@@JohnDoe-fc3nh Sure "John Doe". But keep quoting from your book, I'm sure someone will purchase it.

[@JohnDoe-fc3nh]

@@redruby8529 I don't know what you're talking about, but write this down dear "Joy", you will buy it... but not until you see others buying it too, the so-called references you are desperately looking for. The problem unfortunately is, by the looks of it you probably won't understand it as much as you try.... eventually though, in some distant future, you'll learn that the Other is just a mirror of yourself and not what you think (s)he is. Meanwhile, just keep asking people's approval to get the references you need for you own book (of life). 😉🙏

[@redruby8529]

@@JohnDoe-fc3nh lmao, classic New Age deflection....

[@krisscanlon4051]

I listen because I adore Jung however this topic is foreign to me and actually the attention I received was from less than whole people. The last time was so degrading that it forced me to start to love myself and stop chasing these abnormalities. I will never devalue myself again and continue to learn to love myself first. I feel sad for those that chase what I previously chased...they indeed were an delusion, illusion, and mirage. Perhaps we are supposed to so learn so hopefully we can be a healthier person later in life.

[@tyronewarren6662]

🗣 *Love yourself above all else but don’t end up alone!* *

[@grobbiesm]

This is just wonderful!:-) I'm feeling so grateful 🙏🏼 This is how I experience it too, and it makes me aware of my own masculinity and femininity. How bout same sex partners in regards to the anima and animus and the lenses they experience each other with..?