“Now this is where it gets interesting” Jon please stop, there’s only so interesting this can get, you’ve said it like 40 times I want to see my family again
@dustyb584 жыл бұрын
if he's explaining, it's interesting. if he's exploring, it's intriguing. :)
@MitchellImohA7X4 жыл бұрын
Somebody escaped from the dungeon.
@monsterurby4 жыл бұрын
I dunno why this caught me off guard, but I wish I hadn't read it at work... while drinking coffee.
@tomhoughton7754 жыл бұрын
Much like his catchphrases of "a little bit on the [adjective] side..." or "keep on keeping on"
@valdrrakdraconis82064 жыл бұрын
replace interesting with gross. All these practices by bethesda are horrible and I cant imagine the next games are not going to follow these practices.
@animelytical83544 жыл бұрын
The fake discount thing is straight up illegal.
@stevencleere49124 жыл бұрын
only in some countries
@Jew14694 жыл бұрын
@@stevencleere4912 It's illegal in both the US and the EU. So Bethesda is breaking the law.
@cptbrickbeardgaming67644 жыл бұрын
Literally every company does it it’s a marketing strategy
@JonasDAtlas4 жыл бұрын
@@cptbrickbeardgaming6764 Most jurisdictions require that an item has to have actually been sold under the "previous price" for some period of time, otherwise it's misleading marketing. The US might not care much, but in the EU there are some serious financial penalties for this as it's generally regarded as both misleading to the consumer and anticompetitive.
@cptbrickbeardgaming67644 жыл бұрын
Jonas D. Atlas ya I would doubt it in Europe but I know in the US you can do it and the government doesn’t really care I’m not saying it’s right I’m saying it’s a marketing tactic they teach
@_grumpytoad4 жыл бұрын
"...so they can sell you a solution to a problem they created." That line speaks volumes to Bethesda's whole approach and intention with F76.
@AgentofChaos3154 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Jim Sterling, he's always saying that, and it's true.
@Ellanion4 жыл бұрын
That's literally any digital game with microtransactions ever. I'm not saying this to defend Bethesda, it's a horrible and widespread practice that makes me ashamed to be a part of the industry.
@noblerook4 жыл бұрын
Ellanion yeah, part of the boiling frog metaphor I’d say
@renammartinez4 жыл бұрын
That's computer 101
@fusionfountain4 жыл бұрын
That’s basically the most frequent idea people come up with when trying to add micro transactions to games to squeeze a little more cash out of the player
@hellspawn220014 жыл бұрын
As someone who has sent almost 20 years working in retail I will say that just because something is done repeatedly doesn’t mean it was necessarily successful it can also mean that it was the plan and lots of times people in high positions refuse to admit the plan isn’t working
@theirishviking92784 жыл бұрын
sure you're not describing politics?
@ryderninja4 жыл бұрын
@@theirishviking9278 the two of you are being very generous to people who work outside of retail and politics. People are generally just bad at things.
@73_654 жыл бұрын
@@ryderninjaFor politics, incompetence isnt a valid excuse for anything, in the case of game devs its only valid for so long, and when its clear the dev isnt learning from their mistakes, you should leave them.
@PHANTOMVERSE4 жыл бұрын
Sounds just like the Labour Party.
@RevyaAeinsett4 жыл бұрын
@@73_65 It's not usually even the Devs' fault, though. Most devs don't want their game to be a heartless microtransaction coffin that players shit on. It's all on the publishers who dictate these kinds of decisions.
@vladimirvich4684 жыл бұрын
Fallout 76 is the most entertaining game I’ve never played
@hamzahsajjad79524 жыл бұрын
Calling it. this comments gonna blow up with likes after a couple hours
@jorenbaplu51004 жыл бұрын
@@hamzahsajjad7952 yeah for some reason people still upvote copy paste comments
@totalwar17934 жыл бұрын
Such a good game that I don't need to buy it to get entertainment
@maetbag1874 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the warm feeling watching the dumpster fire.
@spiritupgrades4 жыл бұрын
John is like 9 to 11 months late but at least you got here in the end
@kevinroth10494 жыл бұрын
It's funny how a level-headed analysis of the Atom shop seems so much more scathing than all of the rants about this game. Great video!!!
@pickle56664 жыл бұрын
An objective analysis of the system with simple explanations of how the system exploits the consumer will always be more effective than a vaguely coherent rant that assumes it's own premise.
@legion9994 жыл бұрын
Not really though? I'm not sure you know what scathing means.
@legion9994 жыл бұрын
@@pickle5666 All this has been already said and explained months ago or more . And judging by the public perception of 76, the "rants" have been both effective and coherent enough.
@GHOSTRIDER3737374 жыл бұрын
@@legion999 Good joke...Yooooonnnng out!!!!!
@weedblaster21254 жыл бұрын
The best video about FO76 is Fall of 76 by internethistorian :)
@oliwoodstar4 жыл бұрын
Designed to be flawed to sell the solution, it’s just depressing
@Rush22014 жыл бұрын
It's pretty much the universal model of games with cash shops, and it's why so many people are vehemently against micro-transactions.
@ayderla7894 жыл бұрын
@@Rush2201 i dont understand why people are so against microtransactions granted i very rarely buy any.
@fingusa4 жыл бұрын
@@ayderla789 You just said this as a reply to a comment that explains why... which was made for a video that explains why.
@ayderla7894 жыл бұрын
@@fingusa yeah i know it should be more obvious but as far as i can tell everyone hates bethesda
@demetriuss61014 жыл бұрын
@@Rush2201 Most people aren't against microtransactions. They make sense for a game to fund future updates without splitting the community by selling them as individual map packs or questlines in expansions that only part of the community gets to participate in. Some companies take it too far by making the transactions feel necessary.
@SamuraiTex844 жыл бұрын
"Turn your players into payers!"
@comyuse91034 жыл бұрын
I'm only paying if they give me a tv that looks like an apple
@xaosbob4 жыл бұрын
Or Ekans.
@DrGreenThumbNZL4 жыл бұрын
At least they dont e-beg monthly patreon donations for making shitty amatuar youtube videos...
@ryudhal4 жыл бұрын
@Forsaken Pumpkin An asinine point deserves an asinine response.
@neverstopz90454 жыл бұрын
@@ryudhal touche
@royalbandit81064 жыл бұрын
On the 8th day of Christmas Jon gaveth on too me, Corruption in the gaming indu-hu-stry.
@smgeezus71864 жыл бұрын
Clever clever
@Kaarl_Mills4 жыл бұрын
"lets all laugh at an industry that never learns anything tee hee hee!"
@kokosan094 жыл бұрын
beautiful /applause
@Drew_424 жыл бұрын
**Cough Cough** Electronic Arts **Cough Cough**
@restoshammy08634 жыл бұрын
i dont think corruption is the correct term to use here. shitty cunts maybe, but corrupt it aint.
@lacoma6314 жыл бұрын
When Bethesda becomes as greedy as their games' corporations. I R O N I C
@spacebearcadet7464 жыл бұрын
At least in game they'd turn you into the hulk. Edit: before anyone says anything, I got the joke from honest trailers for the outer world's.
@Ellanion4 жыл бұрын
One of the more pointed comments I heard about this is about Bethesda missing the point so much that they took the in-game mascot literally parodying corporate greed and are unironically using it to shell out their products.
@fuzzydunlop79284 жыл бұрын
@Conn Benn Depends on our conceptualization of 'ownership'. Legally - in the world at large - Bethesda was granted rights as the owner of the franchise through an accepted and observed transaction in which they purchased the rights to profit off of the images and properties and any such challenge to their ownership of the IP and their ability to profit off the success of said IP would not likely be taken seriously. Unofficially, we know as fans of the franchise that what is now considered property of Bethesda is little more than goods masterminded by others who put their love and labor into their creation - and as such Bethesda is granted little authorial integrity in the court of public opinion. Basically how Disney purchased the ability to make money off the Star Wars IP, but this hardly means anyone need accept their version of the canon.
@darko12954 жыл бұрын
lmao they've always been that way. Remember Horse Armor DLC for Oblivion? Skyrim getting rereleased a thousand times?
@o.g.millennials4 жыл бұрын
@Conn Benn It doesn't matter. It's theirs now. Deal with it.
@minscandboo97494 жыл бұрын
This one will be interesting... I mean, they all are, but this one especially
@hopin8krzys4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting indeed
@Raykkie4 жыл бұрын
Little addendum: The Dardevil Outfit that started it all was based on (And came out during the death anniversary of) Evel Knievel. So it all started when Bethesda profited off the 11th anniversary of the death of a man. A small outrage did happen but it was drowned by the hundred of others happening at the same time.
@Dfarrey4 жыл бұрын
It looks like Todd Howard revoked Jon's access to the Exclusive Bethesda Women™.
@metetural91404 жыл бұрын
I think you mean they've taken the .44 magnum from the back of his skull
@tomm56634 жыл бұрын
“No, please! I’ll delete the video, I’ll do anything! JUST GIVE ME BACK MY BETHESDA WOMEN!!”
@masterbrandle4 жыл бұрын
Jon is honest about when he is being paid he admits it and will own up to it and still give his honest opinion. He wanted 76 to be good but it fell terribly short
@tomm56634 жыл бұрын
Vance Jacobs is joke
@tomm56634 жыл бұрын
@Vance Jacobs they're all joking
@Monkey_SK4 жыл бұрын
It's a real shame that Wales can't see that they are ruining the games they claim to love, by continually buying these FOMO items. The Welsh people have a lot to answer for.
@charlesfranks19024 жыл бұрын
It's whales, not Wales.
@Monkey_SK4 жыл бұрын
@@charlesfranks1902 you would say that, Charles Prince of Wales!
@TheWoodlandYeti4 жыл бұрын
@@charlesfranks1902 Someone clearly didn't read to the end of the comment ;)
@ShardtheWolf4 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, they had us in the first half
@elel96403 жыл бұрын
Leave the Brits out of this. They ain't dunuffin
@eXileLies4 жыл бұрын
To get the full experience of this video, you don't need to pay 1000 Atoms - you just need to replace Jon's "where things got very interesting indeed" with "when the clusterfuck got even worse"
@nadrewod9994 жыл бұрын
It's Fallout 76, an always-online semi-MMO NPC-free story-free looter shooter (with broken looting AND shooting mechanics), marketed as a sequel to a long-running series of fully-offline single-player NPC-filled story-driven looter shooters. Fallout 76 was doomed to ALWAYS BE a clusterflip from the moment they called it Fallout and tied it to Bethesda's long-outdated Morrowind engine.
@comyuse91034 жыл бұрын
@@nadrewod999 yeah, i don't know how the people who thought this would turn out well survive in this world. its these kinda fools that keep grifters in business and keeps me questioning why i do real work instead of selling snake oil.
@demetriuss61014 жыл бұрын
@@nadrewod999 It was never marketed as a sequel (especially since it's the earliest setting for a Fallout game). No one expected Fallout 5, but when they found out it was Fallout, they NEEDED it to be Fallout 5. Which is why so many people are following it to this day. It's that "so close, yet so far" and since it's getting continually updated, people are hoping to force Bethesda to make it into what they want. Also, if it weren't on the creation engine, people wouldn't be as interested. ESO tried to be on it but couldn't get the game to work. As a result, it's not Skyrim online and doesn't draw in the same crowd. Say what you will about the engine, but you don't get the same gameplay without it.
@mongrelpython99074 жыл бұрын
The way Bethesda sold the solution to the problem they created was so underhanded. Making repair kits essential to the vault raids but not explicitly endorsing them is extremely scummy.
@matthimfsmfs71944 жыл бұрын
Love the Star Trek pfp
@AzraelFPV3 жыл бұрын
Question, are we saying nessecery without having high level repair perks alongside high damage output
@jebalitabb82283 жыл бұрын
I never needed a single repair kit and got all the different power armor types you could craft from it. You must have been playing it wrong, my group had little to no difficulties other than the tediousness of it
@samizepic4 жыл бұрын
I love how much effort you put into these video essays they always feel so well researched and passionate instead of just someone trying to start controversy or drama
@Ris34514 жыл бұрын
That's what happens when someone CARES about a franchise(also Jon is a complete madman of data gathering). As opposed to people that just want to bank on controversies after reading a couple of posts on reddit.
@legion9994 жыл бұрын
@@Ris3451 "someone CARES about a franchise" Bullshit. If he cared about the franchise so much he wouldn't have been defending 76 for so long. " people that just want to bank on controversies" And Jon wasn't "banking" on this game to make video content? Piss off.
@PHANTOMVERSE4 жыл бұрын
@@legion999 I lost faith in Jon when he defended Fallout 3, then Fallout 76 came along and he became Bethesda defender extroardinaire
@Ris34514 жыл бұрын
@@legion999 then go have fun with your Outer Worlds. No franchise needs elitists and no one will miss you.
@walterrequiem64674 жыл бұрын
@@PHANTOMVERSE What the hell is wrong with him defending Fallout 3? His analysis on it is fair and actually looking at the game on a more in depth level than most people who make videos on it for the sake of ragging on it. Just because Bethesda made it, and because Bethesda does shady shit with the Fallout franchise now does not mean Fallout 3 was like that.
@nannerdunlocke12314 жыл бұрын
"Selling something that can be infinitely produced at zero cost isn't a service, it's the death of economics as a concept!" -Yahtzee
@hamos47444 жыл бұрын
I know it's been 4 months but I love this quote. What's it from?
@chellejohnson97894 жыл бұрын
@@hamos4744 the zero punctuation episode on Ghost Recon Breakpoint
@tatarkhan334 жыл бұрын
Well its suppose to cost the time and work spe d making it but its still a scam it cost to buy an item should be 30 40 50 atoms also there is no insurence that the game will not just delete the iten so it should be chaeper
@azyrael963 жыл бұрын
I mean, these assets had to be created by someone who was paid for it, and are dlc beyond that. The problem is not that they exist, rather the absolutely insane prices.
@idunbeezasmart14 жыл бұрын
Fallout 76 is simply Todd Howard's Screw Everyone Run.
@mid-nite_drive-thru4 жыл бұрын
Just dropping in from the future to note that in 8 months' time, with the inclusion of a single comma, this comment will seem weirdly prescient. In the interest of avoiding spoilers, it will not be revealed which of the two logical positions for said punctuation will turn out to have made the most sense.
@radzilla7484 жыл бұрын
@@mid-nite_drive-thru this is actually messing me up a bit🥴
@expressrobkill2 жыл бұрын
Its not Todd Howard making the decisions but I’m not suggesting he was against it either given fallout 4 and fallout shelter,
@zulda13964 жыл бұрын
I feel like it's worse that a decent chunk of the outfits they're selling in the shop are ported from fallout 4 and then put behind a paywall.
@jacobstinnett97924 жыл бұрын
The frog analogy is perfect
@exantiuse4974 жыл бұрын
The frog analogy originates from a science experiment where the scientists found out that the frog indeed stays put on slowly warming water... as long as you sever a few nerves first. "People really hate frogs" indeed
@Freekymoho4 жыл бұрын
It's the perfect way to describe the encroachment of corporate greed and microtransactions in games in general. Little by little over 10 years.
@patrickbo20454 жыл бұрын
Also, the frogurt is cursed!
@thepebbleinstitute77024 жыл бұрын
*Concerned Kermit Noises*
@legion9994 жыл бұрын
Yeah well I knew this water was gonna be boiling before they put it on the stove.
@alexmohr10724 жыл бұрын
Drinking game: take a shot every time things get very, very interesting indeed.
@gl1tchspectre_4 жыл бұрын
Alternatively: How to Kill Your Liver in Only a Few Easy Steps.
@biglacheese74494 жыл бұрын
It’s so funny to me that fallout was always a game the poked fun at the absurd consumerism in the world before the war, and Bethesda just did not get the joke... and did this....
@alicealysia4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if every time jon said "this is where it gets interesting" a layer of vsauce music is added
@evalpenguin87974 жыл бұрын
this video would be better known as forty two and half minutes on Bethesda's transformation into EA
@bogatyr24734 жыл бұрын
Dont kid yourself, Bethesda have always been greedy, they're just also incompetent so until now most of their schemes blew up before they could do much damage.
@merlance134 жыл бұрын
Horse armour?
@crazyinsane5004 жыл бұрын
Now, to be fair to EA, when one of EA's shills (Gggmanlives) failed to disclose that he was bribed, they backed out of the bribe hard because that's illegal. When Bethesda's shills don't disclose their bribe (Oxhorn, Juicehead, Kingfanman) they are fine with it. Oh, and you can at least say some EA games are functional. So, even EA isn't as bad as Bethesda.
@demetriuss61014 жыл бұрын
@@crazyinsane500 Juicehead operates on the cautious side (cautious towards Bethesda) most likely do to his viewers (presumable like you) unsubscribing and losing him money if he's too casual when talking about Bethesda, and not angry mob tantruming.
@kian19414 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Bethesda the first game company to introduce microtransactions to the gaming industry?
@LumiMoonCh4 жыл бұрын
The frogs may be boiling alive but the whales can stand the heat.
@tommymarett77254 жыл бұрын
jheuflfl thegamer lmaoooo
@AdmiralBison4 жыл бұрын
No they can't. Whales are those who's OCD are being exploited whether they are willing to admit it or not. There is also an impression that Whales are rich and able to afford thousands of dollars of micro transactions and loot boxes when often they are reported as having their parents bank accounts charged in the thousands. The majority of the profits for F2P mobile games, egregious micro transactions and loot boxes for AAA publishers come from a small segment of the gaming population. Before you may consider that this only effects the small population who pays for the majority of these micro transactions leaving everything else "relatively free" for everyone else, it has incentivized the game industry to design more and more games around recurring monetization (which this video has pointed out) - games as a service (live services, game streaming - Stadia) - Fallout 76's growing Atom store - Microsoft's attempt at the Xbox one online only functionality (of course that was stopped) and more.
@LumiMoonCh4 жыл бұрын
@@AdmiralBison In financial jargon, a whale is someone who has a lot of wealth to spread around; a high roller. Also, I made an offhand joke about rich people being able to afford to spend in these shops and their need to have every new thing, no matter the cost. I don't need you coming at me like I was the one who invented the concept of loot boxes/game shops. If you have a problem, take it up with Bethesda.
@AdmiralBison4 жыл бұрын
@@LumiMoonCh definition - A high roller, also referred to as a whale, is a gambler who consistently wagers large amounts of money. High rollers often receive lavish "comps" from casinos to lure them onto the gambling floors, such as free private jet transfers, limousine use and use of the casinos' best suites. Casinos may also extend credit to a player to continue betting,[1] offer rebates on betting turnover or losses,[2] and salaries of employees may also contain incentive arrangements to bring in high rollers.[3] - Wikipedia.
@AdmiralBison4 жыл бұрын
@@LumiMoonCh no where in the definition is a whale who has a lot of wealth, most addicted gamblers are not wealthy, and often than not are in debt. "person has to get a second job to feed their (name addiction) addiction" There are more reports on the news of people having their parents bank accounts charged in the thousands. If whales were truly wealthy, it wouldn't actually be an issue, but they are not. It's misconception whales are wealthy and it also ignores the problem when it come to OCD being exploited and gambling addiction - debt.
@CommissarMitch4 жыл бұрын
9:00 Litrally illegal in many nations.
@ultraderpus4 жыл бұрын
@Rule falsely "discounting" products you haven't previously sold/advertised at a higher msrp
@lud3re3844 жыл бұрын
Including the entire European Union.
@metetural91404 жыл бұрын
@@lud3re384 but don't worry! Boris is gonna "fix" that!
@Jayfive2764 жыл бұрын
Keep watching the video chuckleheads, this is literally covered a few seconds later.
@exantiuse4974 жыл бұрын
Jayfive 276 Jon said "there are pretty strict rules" about doing that, the other commenters specified that there aren't just "strict rules" but it's literally illegal
@anonviewerciv4 жыл бұрын
The short version. 5:10 Timed exclusives. 9:00 "Sales". 16:00 Recurring exclusives. 18:33 Messing with modes. 20:50 Pay for convenience. 23:23 Pay for exclusivity. 33:55 Subscription service.
@eduardo_carvajal3 жыл бұрын
neat
@asbestosfish_4 жыл бұрын
*Internet Historian wants to know your location*
@metetural91404 жыл бұрын
Bethesda Game Studios. Very serious business
@armitage19504 жыл бұрын
My first thought as well.
@TheSenCost4 жыл бұрын
The Fall of 76 pt. 2 featuring Many A True Nerd, that would be something
@mikkaway1234 жыл бұрын
Buckle Up Buckeroos
@badams49824 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he could find the location if he wanted to
@tlawhon4 жыл бұрын
As someone who's played video games (on PC) for a long time (I'm 65), including a lot of Fallout and Skyrim, and who's been recently playing a lot of The Outer Worlds, I have to say that the insane corporate society of Halcyon seems a lot less fantasy and a lot more like our contemporary reality when I contemplate Fallout 76 and The Atom Store, etc.
@DarkJumpBTL4 жыл бұрын
Terry Lawhon agreed, I’m 42 and go way back to the c64. These developers are losing their minds trying to nickel and dime. Remember to get Cyberpunk-seems that CDProjektRed are some of the only real game developers left at the AAA level.
@wojtekthebear49584 жыл бұрын
A good part of this is the hyper-monopolistic competition going on. The price of video games have no kept up with inflation at all. For instance, a game today still costs as much as a game did when the Xbox 460 was released nearly 15 years ago. Adjusted for inflation, that means that about 25% of their value has been lost. Normally a company would be able to raise prices to keep things balanced, but for extremely competitive consumer product markets, this isn't always the case. You try being the only gaming company to charge $65 for your games and watch the internet skewer you. Because of this, companies have been looking for other ways to keep their profit up. I'm not trying to defend Bethesda at all, but it's pretty clear that there's a lot of market pressure to raise the price of video games.
@lukebytes53664 жыл бұрын
Wojtek The Bear why is this a good thing though?
@wojtekthebear49584 жыл бұрын
@@lukebytes5366 Sorry, I didn't mean good as in beneficial, but good as in a large part.
@owengrove50894 жыл бұрын
how is the outer worlds? how does it compare to new vegas?
@inferndragon4 жыл бұрын
Oh you forgot a part of the story in general. There was an update that literally showed where they were going. There was an update that literally made it so you got Ore instead of the pure scrap. It was a "stealth" update. :P
@BradTheAmerican4 жыл бұрын
By stealth update do you mean hotfix? Those can be done server side without the players needing to download anything on their end
@BradTheAmerican4 жыл бұрын
@Zach Bell But the reason for having a hotfix instead of a full patch update is that it's usually a small technical thing that can be quickly implemented. It's weird to think that it's some secret conspiracy to hide things from people. I'd hazard a guess that they were simply "fixing" an oversight with the scrap to ore thing. In any case, Idk if op is referring to a hotfix or simply details being left out of patch notes that had to be discovered by players. After looking up some old forums, I found surely questionable details left out of patch notes, but these were from last year and not recent so Idk if they're still doing these so-called "stealth" changes.
@demetriuss61014 жыл бұрын
@@BradTheAmerican They still do stealth changes, it's just impossible to tell whether it's intentional or not.
@Eon26414 жыл бұрын
I don't know why you'd give Bethesda the benefit of the doubt considering they released fallout 76
@BradTheAmerican4 жыл бұрын
@@Eon2641 It's not necessarily that I'm giving Bethesda the benefit of the doubt, but rather that I'm questioning what I perceive to be a flawed criticism and then I give a possible alternative. Talk shit about bad game design and poor business practices or whatever, that's fine, but we can't know that their intent is doing so-called stealth updates for the purposes of tricking or hiding things from players.
@australiangamer79564 жыл бұрын
I miss the good old days when a game was just released the company made money, maybe release some dlcs with new maps or levels. Than move onto a sequel, but nooooo “we have to have micro transactions”
@lud3re3844 жыл бұрын
9:00 That's literally illegal under the EU's European Customer Protection Laws. lol
@gargoyles99994 жыл бұрын
Todd Howard: I will make it legal
@icthulu4 жыл бұрын
That's also illegal in the US.
@LordEdmund19734 жыл бұрын
And in Australia
@CyberFridge4 жыл бұрын
And in Canada
@nateg4524 жыл бұрын
@@icthulu no it's not "James Kohm, head of the enforcement division at the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), told NBC News there are no specific federal rules about how long a sale can run." “It’s an area of enforcement that’s been left to the states,” Kohm said. The law that is there is left vague on purpose to allow states to have their own laws.
@Calbeck4 жыл бұрын
*looks at the various packages being sold, including tons of outfits that wouldn't even exist until at least the time of Fallout 3* As if immersion weren't already shot to hell... at this point, I just have in my headcanon that FO76 is the fever-dream of a former ( and currently comatose) Vault Overseer.
@IlljayGT4 жыл бұрын
In other words, this is a marketing scheme disguised as a game. I feel like The Outer Worlds is mocking Bethesda and modern Fallout.
@richardnorthcutt93564 жыл бұрын
I liked fallout 76 better than the outer worlds a lot actually. The outer worlds definitely isnt much compared to a mainstream fallout game, but fallout 76 is enjoyable for other reasons to me, it was superchill to play. (I never spent on the atomshop or fallout 1st)
@YouTubecanfuckagoat4 жыл бұрын
Richard Northcutt ... it’s shite. FO76 is utter shite.
@KitKatHexe4 жыл бұрын
@@richardnorthcutt9356 I appreciate when people have their own opinions For me personally, especially early on, the reasons that most people hating the game are what I found enjoyable. The chronic instability, the buggy fucking mess that it was... Was basically just any other Bethesda game on launch, only this time round they didn't even try to fix it... But that was compensated for by the fact that, if your falling through the world every five minutes your gonna get annoyed really fast, but if you're falling through the world _with friends_ you're gonna have a fucking blast. That's what was great about early 76 the community was just a bunch of chucklefucks trying to have fun Something you'd never see in a game that is actually worth buying on its own... At least not to that degree, but these days I haven't even looked at the game in months bc all the people I used to play with abandoned it soon after Christmas... I still occasionally redownload to just get hit with some good memories but that's it But yeah... I'm glad you enjoy what you enjoy, don't let anyone take that from you.
@sugoistalin78094 жыл бұрын
@Luke Sexton And that it was "shite" was his opinion.
@cjcathead24684 жыл бұрын
@@KZbincanfuckagoat And The Outer Wilds was a polished disappointment, we are talking about two very low bars here.
@GoneFishingAmalgam4 жыл бұрын
Here’s one issue with the Atom store I have never heard addressed. It games like this, I like collecting unique equipment and armors, if only to keep them as souvenirs, to be reminded of the adventure I went on to obtain it. You can’t get that same feeling from buying a bunch of outfits and armors in the Atom store. All they could remind me of, is the real world money I had to waste on them.
@TheDMG452 жыл бұрын
yeah, they're only satisfying to get if you earn them in game. otherwise what's the point
@minscandboo97494 жыл бұрын
I have to say, I love the way you do these. I don’t usually watch video essay type things, especially ones of this length, but you have a way of keeping your topics interesting and super informative. I look forward to the next one!
@metetural91404 жыл бұрын
Come on Minsc! Let's be valiant heroes! For fame and glory!
@zuella46824 жыл бұрын
"good afternoon is John I'm John this is Betty a true nerd we'll come back to fallout 76" this is the closest the captions have gotten since I've started doing this.
@mp50464 жыл бұрын
Don't mind me...I'm just commenting so Jon gets pushed up the algorithm
@notarealname77374 жыл бұрын
me too
@ableguilford4 жыл бұрын
Me three
@hugmonger4 жыл бұрын
+1
@globalincident6944 жыл бұрын
You all know that youtube doesn't work like that right? It's all about what you watch, not what you say about it.
@Karaboo74 жыл бұрын
@@globalincident694 We don't really know that do we?
@MoondustOverdose4 жыл бұрын
so, you can now pay extra to play your game less. what a time to be alive.
@ronaldfutcher72394 жыл бұрын
You missed quite a few things that Bethesda did that affected how players would be forced to interact with the Atom Store. There was how the resource collection stations were nerfed making getting junk harder to get as well as ammunition and fusion cores so the repair kits were far more attractive. There was reduction in effectiveness for intelligence cards which affected how slow the degradation on weapons and how much of a boost you got to repairing the said weapons and armor. And lets not forget the stun baton a weapon which is only available through purchase in the Atom Shop. I am still waiting for them to follow that up with stringer weapons only sold through the Atom shop. Oh I almost forgot is how the daily and weekly quests reduced the amount of Atoms you could earn in game.
@Spiffo04 жыл бұрын
All of this is false. Repair kits were easy to get for free and we're never that useful. Resources have always been easy to get and ammo is even easier.
@lostsunrise53924 жыл бұрын
not only that but if you compare with the game launch the daily atom challenges have been getting more and more specific to the point were they were almost impossible to complete. It first started when they launched the camera and it got progressively more absurd and it doesn't even end there; many of their challenges are bugged and your progress don't register.
@sapphicseas04514 жыл бұрын
@@Spiffo0 what the fuck are you talking about??
@xanderfirth41824 жыл бұрын
JackOfBlades The shipmaster almost all of the daily and weekly challenges are ridiculously easy to complete so idk what you are on about
@aspacelex2 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine how soul-crushing watching all this happen musta been for the people who created Fallout.
@herowither1235411 ай бұрын
Probably not as soul crushing as watching all the dick sucking of Fallout 2, the one that was nothing like the game they created.
@JDalton3214 жыл бұрын
"Well buckle up buckaroos" - Internet Historian 2019
@metetural91404 жыл бұрын
It means we're all dead... or moved to a different office.
@benpurdy74594 жыл бұрын
LIGHT WOOD LAMINATE!
@metetural91404 жыл бұрын
@@benpurdy7459 LIGHTWOOD LAMINATE!
@Sky_FMJ4 жыл бұрын
@@metetural9140 LIGHTWOOD LAMINATE!
@davidribeiro4 жыл бұрын
@@Sky_FMJ LIGHTWOOD LAMINATE!
@Shiftry874 жыл бұрын
There was another part of the scrap colector that ppl was very angry about. When it was compared to early marketing the colector was there in the marketing. So many ppl felt like they delibratly removed that to sell it later.
@misskitty56324 жыл бұрын
All I can hear ringing in my head is Angry Joe's "$16 for BLUE? For F***ing BLUE". I watched this because I wanted to support Jon, not this rubbish game or the dodgy practices of Bethesda.
@T0rrente184 жыл бұрын
I remember watching his 2 hour video talking about the game and the 3 guys looked visually exhausted and saying how they couldn't take more of it and just rushed the review because of concerns with their health
@mythshark4094 жыл бұрын
*zeni max
@legion9994 жыл бұрын
Weren't people complaining about this immediately? Maybe Jon wasn't paying attention
@comyuse91034 жыл бұрын
jon is far, far too permissive towards bad games and worse business, i'm really glad to see it whenever he actually looks at a near ubiquitously agreed on failure with a critical eye
@wind25364 жыл бұрын
Angry Pedro more like
@devinmccanna6454 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I didn't buy this game. What a scam.
@kyr584 жыл бұрын
In one brilliant move, you've dodged more bullets than Neo.
@jontobin59424 жыл бұрын
Never preorder anything. I wish the community could get together and boycott all preordering until it dies.
@Finger1124 жыл бұрын
@@kyr58 Nah I took the Red pill instead. Or was it the blue pill?
@5Andysalive4 жыл бұрын
If it is the scam aspect that put you off, you have to avoide quite a lot of games from quite a few publishers. Only the actual games are often better.
@alexanderinoa78504 жыл бұрын
Jon Tobin What if you get a lot of extra stuff? I’ve thought about preordering P5 Royal because of the mask, art book, dlc, et cetera.
@Ritchian4 жыл бұрын
I think the thing that really annoys me with these sorts of monetization practices are the sale of solutions to problems the developers created in the first place. Turn the nob back on one thing, then have a handy dandy item to get that nob righted again. It's an awful, anti-consumer practice made worse by the fact it works and is insanely profitable, so it's not going away any time soon. I remember a few weeks before Fallout 76 released, I went to the Bethesda shop page to consider preordering it. I mean, I try not to preorder games, but if it's something I'm going to buy anyway, I usually do so for convenience. And it was a new Fallout game. My mouse cursor was hovering over the button to add it to the cart, then I decided against it. I figured I'd see how it reviewed and how it looked in full release before taking the plunge. Boy am I glad I didn't click that button.
@EQOAnostalgia4 жыл бұрын
So you never played it then? So you watched videos for a year, on a game you didn't try, and you've made up your mind then? Interesting.
@minerva98434 жыл бұрын
@@EQOAnostalgia We as a species have only been able to accomplish what we have because everyone doesn't have to reinvent the wheel, so to speak. Reviews are beneficial because that allows one to get a basic opinion of something without having to potentially waste time and money. If you know enough about your own likes/dislikes, you don't have to have direct, first hand experience to make a fairly good decision.
@RobBCactive4 жыл бұрын
@@EQOAnostalgia the game's too boring, the content about the dumpster fire is far more entertaining. No, I didn't need to watch S8 of GoT either, the signs were there in S7, reviews confirmed them.
@noel_214 жыл бұрын
@@EQOAnostalgia When the evidence is so overwhelming, you don't need to play the game to form an obvious opinion. And that coming from me that has played the game. Also, it's not just about gameplay, it's about the blatant manipualtive anto consumer practises too. Which you neglect.
@ogscarl3t3752 жыл бұрын
@@EQOAnostalgia It's almost as if that's what a smart person does before making a purchase on something they're likely to sink a fair bit of time into funny that...
@legion9994 жыл бұрын
Am I glad you put that link to F76 in the description, Bethesda definitely deserve the courtesy.
@JOSTEINFR4 жыл бұрын
This just makes me shudder for the inevitable mod-shop for TES 6
@Spiffo04 жыл бұрын
Fucking morons saying shit about a game that isn't even out yet.
@mrmolo704 жыл бұрын
@@Spiffo0 Considering the latest of Batheda's RPGs, including Fallout 76 if you consider the Atom Shop in the same field (which I personally do) it's very, very safe to assume that Elder Scrolls 6 will follow suit with more paid mods/micro DLC/Microtransactions. There is nothing mornonic about that deduction.
@lfcmike124 жыл бұрын
@@Spiffo0 Fucking morons, defending big companies with tendencies for fucking their customers over! Don't hurt ya self thinking, fan boy :D
@comyuse91034 жыл бұрын
@@Spiffo0 bethesda has a pattern going back decades, dumb ass, we can easily see where they are going. hell, we knew bethesda was going to do something incredibly greedy for the next game after fallout 4, we ust didn't know they would jump head long off the deep end.
@Spiffo04 жыл бұрын
Actual sperglords being outraged over stuff that hasn't even happened yet. And you'll all be there buying TES6 on launch day despite saying you won't soy boys.
@AceGamerZ2273 жыл бұрын
I like the analogy with the frog and boiling water. Perfect example of what's happening here
@gman12464 жыл бұрын
That's why I love this channel, calling out Bethesda when they need it. I've been a Fallout player since Fallout 1, I'm 47, I love the franchise but never liked the Fallout 76 model
@PHANTOMVERSE4 жыл бұрын
Calling them out for the weakest reason and at the end of the discussion, nice.
@AydarBMSTU2 жыл бұрын
@@PHANTOMVERSE the whole video he was calling them out, you dumbass)
@GikamesShadow4 жыл бұрын
No one: Jon: This is where things get very very interesting indeed
@kingjames48864 жыл бұрын
there needs to be a law against companies changing fundamental aspects of games after release... it's like if you bought a blender and one day it just turned into a toaster.
@xanderellem36464 жыл бұрын
Tell me lies. Tell me sweet little lies. _Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies_ Oh, no, no you can't disguise. _You can't disguise, no you can't disguise_ Tell me lies. Tell me sweet little lies.
@GeddyRC4 жыл бұрын
Xander Ellem Fleetwood Mac!
@elpascalmods73844 жыл бұрын
@@GeddyRC And Todd Howard!
@funsun53644 жыл бұрын
This is actually a unbiased critical look into the Atom Shop, and it's ever growing focus on even more monetization. Absolutely agree as well with the limited time statements, said myself with game cosmetics, this just doesn't add up. There's no real reason as there isn't a physical version being made, so there is no excuse for the scarcity suggestions. It's purley to cash in on the fomo, and neglects to explain that with game cosmetics this just isn't a real thing. Then slowly adding in items that give an advantage. Appearing to focus more on players who pay rather than play. And the new subscription that so far is more of a pay extra, purley for the privilege of paying extra. Quietly ignoring those who payed full price, or even more for the exclusive bundles at launch. Not really appearing to value the customers. Personally this doesn't speak well for the future of their games, or their new business model.
@beastonthehunt4 жыл бұрын
Also the membership didn't even work properly on launch
@funsun53644 жыл бұрын
@@beastonthehunt Very true, as is the "Base" game. A game some paid hundreds on. Definitely not fair to customers I agree.
@MUSTASCH1O3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe people throw their money at things like this. Bethesda crossing it's own lines and betraying the unwritten agreement of its customers is disgraceful, but I can't blame them for all the "limited time" sales and high prices when saps keep paying for these horrendous deals.
@5Andysalive4 жыл бұрын
11:20 there's an interesting story about how first second and third classes in trains came about at the beginning.
@AnarkiCZ4 жыл бұрын
LOL that past month when the only non-time limited item was a white wallpaper. Bethesda headquaters: "Greg we are lunching the new items in 5 minutes and noticed all are time limited. We need something else." Greg: Don't even sweat *opens windows paint and saves the default white background* Here, wallpaper for 300 atoms.
@zombielizard2184 жыл бұрын
Oh 76. Honestly, I am curious how long this runs for. As a server game, it can't stay online forever, but how long before it stops being popular? Until Fallout 5? Because as player base dwindles, they need more money from each person, but if they keep adding things people need to buy, they lose goodwill, and thereby lose players.
@EQOAnostalgia4 жыл бұрын
76 lives or dies by its first major expansion Wastelanders. It's that simple. But i can assure you of this much, the player base is on the rise, not on the decline and that's a promise.
@missingclover4 жыл бұрын
That amount of "Indeeds" make me miss TotalBiscuit ;_;
@MrTaurieinberg4 жыл бұрын
Man I hope this video about the Atom Shop won't split the fanbase, hopefully we can all stay neutron here. I will see myself out now.
@metetural91404 жыл бұрын
Personally I'm nuclear. I'm wild. I'm breaking up inside.
@SkaterBlades4 жыл бұрын
That pun was awful, i won't charge you though.
@madgamercaddwd94554 жыл бұрын
You didn't talk about how they changed the Beginner Level challenges to give you ammo and stimpaks instead of Atoms. Challenges like get to level 10 would no longer give atoms.
@hugmonger4 жыл бұрын
Honestly this game makes me so very sad.... I wanted to play a scrapper and shop keep who could sell essential goods to travelers. I wanted to just cook food, chems, and grenades and be happy with that simple life. But no Bethesda had to go and .... well honestly, go and do all of it. Just about everything in the game feels bad.
@drmlabs4 жыл бұрын
They could fix the game, but choose to screw the fan base instead
@trim52614 жыл бұрын
I played fallout 4 but I didn't enjoy it as much as the older games. There was something wrong with it ... can't say what but it wasn't as much fun as 3 or Vegas. Then 76 rolls out. Always online .... I'm so glad that was enough to put me off pre ordering. Then the game came out ... can't say I'm excited about anything Bethesda does now
@trim52614 жыл бұрын
@@TrickZ_Retz it's always a question of value. There's not much point preordering a standard copy (and none for digital only) but some times I want the toys that come in the collectors edition. And I would have been tempted with getting the collectors edition. Who didn't want a power armor helmet and genuine Canvas Bag ... Still at least I've enjoyed the fallout from this terrible game.
@coletalbot40074 жыл бұрын
I'm scared for the new elder scrolls
@enigmaticamelia40994 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating stuff, I'm glad you're covering it Jon. Knowing more about these practices is important.
@keoun97594 жыл бұрын
So, what I am hearing, is that vastly more time is spent on microtransactions than the actual game itself. I also don't agree that the original model wasn't working. It's literally the same analogy, the players (frogs) needed to be introduced to the cooler water (basic cosmetic microtransactions 'as standard') to begin with, then each month add more heat. Seeing what they can and cannot get away with, too much heat at one point, dial it back briefly.
@sp0ckz0mbi34 жыл бұрын
Man I sure would be embarrassed if I helped promote this game despite warning signs from the community. That would be so embarrassing.
@AusTraLiaNPsyChO4 жыл бұрын
I know, right? I mean, who would do such a thing? Terrible!
@TrashHeapCustodian4 жыл бұрын
The Atom Shop is one of the myriad reasons I uninstalled 76. I did enjoy it for a while, but Bethesda's management of the game in regards to basically every aspect of it is just abhorrent and unacceptable.
@SkaterBlades4 жыл бұрын
In order to thank YOU, the players, we've introduced a NEW gameplay feature designed for YOU to give US all of your hard earned money
@firudu4 жыл бұрын
The issue is that most of these sale tactics can be done in a manner that gets received warmly by the community. Look at Path of Exile as an example, a Diablo-Style, free to play game: There are 2 types of items in the store (all bought with real money): first stash tabs that expand storage (you will need some of them eventually, but there's a subjective limit on how many you need) The 2nd type are simply different kinds of mtx with no gameplay convenience There are also rotating, time-excluse (meaning none of them return, ever) mtx bundles every 3-month development cycle AND 3 MTX pieces each cycle that can ONLY be earned through gameplay It's all a predictable, reliable system, exclusive bundles don't return, gameplay mtx can never be bought and the gameplay advantage that can be bought is transparent and most importantly constant and limited
@justiceforjoggers28974 жыл бұрын
Path of Exiles does it right
@LoreRevolution4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate all the work that has gone into this video, and that Jon is keeping an eye on the progression of the Atom Store, but it feels slightly remiss not to even mention that they have been giving away items for free. That is a ploy, I'm sure, but it's part of the general info on the history of the store.
@radaroreilly5054 жыл бұрын
Whenever I hear a company promise "cosmetic only," I think back to Jim Sterling's position that trying to label aesthetic purchases as less important than "utility" purchases is bs. Fallout simply wouldn't be Fallout without its enduring and recognizable art design, its great flexibility in allowing players to role-play, and its excellent ability to create an immersive mood/atmosphere. These are mostly due to the "cosmetic" portions of the game (this and sound design) which made Fallout 1, 2, 3, and NV such a great pleasure to play. This makes it especially sad that Bethesda is happy to sell these off or wall items off to players who don't have an extra $10-$50 sitting around. What makes it infuriating is the lack of transparency during the progression of the Store and the apparent efforts to gouge its most loyal consumers in seemingly every Store update...
@pikledboodah4 жыл бұрын
I heartily agree
@comyuse91034 жыл бұрын
in any multiplayer game cosmetics have a measurable impact on the game play; self expression is very important, especially in a social and competitive environment where you will want to set yourself apart. if everyone in an mmo looks roughly the same, or the variation between characters is really small then no one will play that mmo, most people will spend a lot of time and effort to look distinct and remain viable. then there is the benefits of blending in an area in a competitive game, or being recognizable in games you could earn a reputation in (like eve).
@Zack_Wester4 жыл бұрын
as a Old wow Roleplayer (late vanila to early cata) cosmetic only is in my eye as bad as selling stats boost. Devs cosmetic only (PVE and PVP sounds good I dont care about it really. RP that sucks. Devs Gear state boosters only (PVE and PVP that sucks, RP well not great but okey I can deal whit it I dont care about that part really). and let me remind you in Wrath the moment the latest raid that took 3 month to make is cleared by the PVP and PVE player in about 2-3 week is done they log out, ice the subscriptions untill devs put something out again. RP after the latest patch is released. after latest content is cleared in 2-4 weeks. they start to RP in full swing gear and highspeed for up to years after wards. Roleplayer are the only type of players that create there own content, PVP and PVE dont really do that.
@comteroi92194 жыл бұрын
Not sure you're with the times but Fallout hasn't been a decent RPG since NV, and before that, Fallout 1 and 2. Fallout 3 and 4 are First Person shooters, nothing more, nothing less. Their entire storylines are predictable and streamlined.
@codsworth39964 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking. Most of the clothing items in the base game are the same ones from Fallout 4. What then, distinguishes this game from the previous one in this category?
@ajw53884 жыл бұрын
It’s possible I get a bit too excited when I see a 40+ minute MATN Fallout Video Essay pop up on my subscription feed, but dammit I’m not going to change.
@johnbrown49564 жыл бұрын
Me and half the employees at my job are watching this in the back no lie, thank god Sundays are dead
@metronicmagician18164 жыл бұрын
There’s something that many people seem to either forget or ignore about 76 that can really throw loops into the discussion. That 76 could become free to play. It’s been my personal theory that wastelanders will coincide with an announcement of it becoming free to play (probably with a reward bundle for those that bought it). As it stands the game has all of the functions for a free to play system. Subscription service, pay for convenience, limited time items, etc. All of theses items kind of scream a free to play model without it being a free to play game. Since sales of the game itself clearly aren’t to focus it seems obvious that going free to play would be the best choice. Hell Jon even recommends that nuclear winter should at the very least becomes a separate free to play entity. I’ve been unable really talks about this since generally anyone I can talk to are either “76 killed fallout, Bethesda evil” or “I don’t play fallout” so I’ve never really gotten to talk about this much, but seems very obvious to me at least.
@energizer73542 жыл бұрын
And yet two years later... Still 40 on steam plus a bunch of other things to pay for with it
@tcsam734 жыл бұрын
Speaking as a poorly paid person, I have already spent all the money on 76 I will ever spend when I bought the game. My character is able to repair weapons and armor to a high level, I carry multiple guns to deal with guns breaking due to condition, and I grind through challenges to get atom points. I see things in the Atom store that look neat, but I don't really buy from it often.
@veganhero18284 жыл бұрын
Should Fallout have ever been a game where you have to grind to unlock meta currency?
@ianwhelan-miller903 жыл бұрын
Can we just point out how skeezy it is for them to be selling in game assets that are just... assets ripped from Fallout 4? The "Revolutionary General's" outfit that's the Minuteman General's? The Mechanist? The Silver Shroud Outfit? If this was freshly created content, I could see charging money to pay the artists who make it... but this is stuff that is, in essence, already in their files. Everything else before had crossed the line already, but this is the new low to me.
@MrTaurieinberg4 жыл бұрын
Bless you for another video essay Jon! :)
@matthewreese24834 жыл бұрын
"Bethesda realized this was not a very good idea." I sense a pattern developing.
@BrutalFates4 жыл бұрын
So how do I get on this class action lawsuit? I felt like I was watching a deposition in court.
@BrutalFates4 жыл бұрын
@Rule sarcasm, the video felt like a deposition more then just a video essay.
@nateg4524 жыл бұрын
I'm going to laugh when it's use step by step to create one.
@PengusKhan2 жыл бұрын
so that frog in the boiling water bit actually came from a study by Friedrich Goltz who demonstrated that LOBOTOMIZED frogs stayed in the water but frogs with intact brains would not. This was also 1869 (nice) and ethics in science weren't exactly common but hey, it was an important discovery
@saqibreza7694 жыл бұрын
Essentially, destroying my trust in Bethesda.
@FizzleFX4 жыл бұрын
"Just cosmetics" in a game which is bare-bones, cosmetics is all you got... - this isn't freaking Overwatch and even those give free skins often enough.
@blackenedwritings4 жыл бұрын
Everytime a video about 76 comes out I'm amazed about the trainwreck that is this game. Then I think of Elder Scrolls VI and start to get worried ...
@briant97924 жыл бұрын
16 times the microtransactions.
@Tedlebob3 жыл бұрын
How the hell was this video so interesting and engaging when its about a in game shop from a game i have never played.
@AragonBattleBorn4 жыл бұрын
Jon forgot to mention how around the time the repair kits came out there was a secret couple of "patches" that weren't in the patch notes at the time, that made card perks such as white knight. (armor degrades 90% slower and is cheaper to repair.) got massively nerfed. the card cost to equip went up. and instead of 90% for a tier 3 card it was just 60% and who knows how much they tweaked the repair cost. :(
@Tc5584 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jon, these essays are always so well researched. written and put together. Excellent job
@JackdotC4 жыл бұрын
It’s like a Jim Sterling video but with with less “completely fucking stupid” and more “interesting” being said about Bethesda being bad
@Puremindgames4 жыл бұрын
The Frogs jumped from the increasing heat, the whales stayed, I guess whales can't jump?(Why you lie Sea World?).
@EQOAnostalgia4 жыл бұрын
I mean i don't pay shit, i have everything i want from the Atom shop, largely because the atom shop is shit 9/10 times.
@shorewall4 жыл бұрын
There was a lot of work put into this video, and it shows. Great work, Jon! :D
@notarealname77374 жыл бұрын
What's that in your pocket ... atoms! one, two, three, four - six of them!
@patrickbo20454 жыл бұрын
Aww that Burns reference xD
@jreese24744 жыл бұрын
Oh, if only we'd listened to that youtuber, instead of walling him up in the abandoned server room.
@bloodmods4 жыл бұрын
i hadn't known about the 'no free outfits in nuclear winter but your vault suit' thing. that's super insidious
@00Boogie4 жыл бұрын
Still have to marvel at those who scoffed at those who totally called what Bethesda would eventually do well before the game launched.
@TK26924 жыл бұрын
Or the people who STILL come out of the woodwork to defend Bethesda despite having the benefit of seeing how things turned out so far. Some people just enjoy being lied to repeatedly, I guess.
@djole94hns4 жыл бұрын
"You're crying in the rain, pally." - Todd Howard
@shotgunshells24 жыл бұрын
"Maybe Khans kill people without lookin' them in the face, but I an't a fink, ya dig?" -Todd Howard
@praisebimbus72074 жыл бұрын
I remember when the season pass for fallout 4 was $30
@exantiuse4974 жыл бұрын
$60 used to get you an entire game, with all the cosmetics and other unlockables it contained. Now it gets you 75% of halloween limited time items. What a sad state gaming is in right now
@Jayfive2764 жыл бұрын
0 subscribers with 0 videos? The fact people have fallen for shit as dumb as “season passes” was the beginning of the end.
@drmlabs4 жыл бұрын
Those were the days. Sadly, I don't think they'll ever return
@Mega-Brick4 жыл бұрын
@@Jayfive276 Season passes themselves aren't too insidious, I don't think. If it's a game you know for a fact will have post-launch DLC, and it's a game you know you like and will be buying the DLCs for, it's more of a convenience thing.
@GeddyRC4 жыл бұрын
Rhas 'Churol lol, “convenience” - convenience and gamers falling for it is exactly what will killed gaming. Well we’ll have f2p mobile games but aside from that, this whole hobby has an expiration date.
@sirswagabadha48964 жыл бұрын
Hey Jon, a bit late but really nice work with this. I spent a lot of time documenting various obscure bugs and changes of the game, but never cared much about the atom shop. I don't think anybody else has done this, and this is an amazing job. One comment I would add - while it doesn't make much of a difference, a misunderstanding almost everybody had with the original timed deals was that they were all 2-3 days, not 1-2. The atom shop functions on a stupid system where 2d23h59m is listed as 2d, and obviously everybody will log in after an update where some time has passed since the server restart. I don't think anything in the game has ever been only up for a day, at least on its first appearance in the store
@Kunar244 жыл бұрын
"Exclusive items": not exclusive, they come back "Cosmetics only": not just cosmetics, they give game advantages "You can earn atoms in the game itself, no need to buy them": physically impossible to get enough atoms to buy good items without buying them
@thundersoul67954 жыл бұрын
An exclusive item doesn't need to be sold for a limited time to remain exclusive. It just needs to be sold for a lot more than it can ever be worth. Then it's already available only to those who will pay.
@redketchup804 жыл бұрын
Love the way they launch a pack (Xmas bundle) and then a day later a new one. So those who got the first bundle cos they got excited about it and then suddenly another one they want comes out, they have to buy more atoms. As apposed to all at once so you can make a decision over which one(s) you want to get/which is the better one you want.