Fallout Show won't *JUST* please fans?

"WHY WON'T IT READ?!" - Steve Jobs
T3.com published a short interview with Fallout TV Show's Co-creator, Jonathan Nolan. Where he said: "I don't think you really can set out to please the fans of anything" - Cue the people looking to be outraged by something.
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[@LilDurr]

Let’s hope that when it comes out and gets genuine criticism, that they don’t blame the “sexist, racist, etc” fandom like every company falls back on

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Agreed. Better a Civvie 11 situation involving the comment of the creator of WRATH: Aeon of Ruin and not the Discord fallout involving the creators of Graven.

[@feralchangeling97]

T3-M4 rejected the Dark Side finally and runs a gaming news site now. Peak character development.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Beats Drew Karpyshyn's horrid treatment of him in the Revan novel either way.

[@The_Punisher]

A big deal with the Fallout Show unlike the Witcher show,Halo show ,and Last of Us show its actually canon to the games

[@syndicalistcat3138]

What games? To the Bugthesda fanfictions?

[@Zahqariah]

@Ultroumboneenot true in the slightest, the games have a story and those story’s and lore have continuity, unless it’s cut like tactics and the fallout bible, or Bethesda does there favorite thing, retconning

[@demod2080]

I'm glad that Nolan is a fan of the source material. I trust his instincts and skill in adapting material into making an entertaining piece. Will it be perfect? No, it likely won't be.

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

"Do you watch any rage-bait KZbinrs?" is the exact same as asking "Do you drink wet water?"

[@francisyorkmorgan5139]

I just wish they would stop making live action shows for anime and video games. They are just insulting cash grabs, using the original shows and art forms to draw in consumers.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

It depends. For one, it may lead to the 2017 Death Note film, but on the other hand, there's the Shusuke Kaneko (famous for the Gamera trilogy of kaiju films) fix fic duology of Death Note films. Either way, yeah, we sorely need less adaptations to works that are already visual enough. I swear, people who claim they'd rather watch a flawed movie adaptation and not play the source game could be deemed a *moral degenerate* at worst.

[@TraktorTarzan]

the issue is incompetent producers and writes, not the fact they use games. also arcane is awesome

[@Crusader-tg1wx]

Alright, you’ve convinced me. I’ll give it a whirl.

[@milopeck3983]

I do hope that there is a few references to New Vegas in the TV show

[@rustinmyers31]

From what I’ve seen in trailers it seems more new Vegas themed then 3 and 4 but we will see

[@deadcastlutinut2441]

Well after watching some of it it seems they retconned all of the west coast

[@kieranhurst8543]

I hope so, plenty of parts of fallout that aren't palatable to general audiences like the extreme violence and horror. I just hope they don't overcorrect on the comedy and make it a comfy apocalypse

[@johnathanlemoine5883]

Yeah I didn't even watch the Halo show because the fact that we can see Master Chief's face

[@christianhays2238]

Not to mention his ass 😂 Master cheeks 🤣

[@johnathanlemoine5883]

@@christianhays2238 lol right

[@Butwhythough881]

This is a smart move that I think more adaptations of video games should follow. Adaptations like The Last of Us, Arcane, and Hopefully Fallout are rolling 50/50 with who they’re appealing to; fans and people who have never played the games. What I think mass defenders of adaptations like Freddy’s and Super Mario Bros fail to realize is that while there’s nothing wrong with fans having something JUST FOR THEM, having something that manages to go 50/50 and not only give them their rush of nostalgia but also bring in newcomers as well and deliver a more consistent and worthwhile product. I’m not saying that Mario and FNAF didn’t do that but I think allows an adaptation to stand on its own more and not just be references and eye candy for fans

[@deadcastlutinut2441]

Why are the NCR abscent from their home territories in all the trailers and clips so far?

[@PapitoQinn]

I figured it had something to do with the giant crater behind a sign that says: "Shady Sands public library"

[@deadcastlutinut2441]

@@PapitoQinn so you assume the entire nation was destroyed but somehow the brotherhood who doesn't recruit outside members somehow got big enough to have a standing army in Cali again? Sounds shoehorned in for the story

[@PapitoQinn]

@@deadcastlutinut2441 That's what the trailers seem to suggest. Obviously there are NCR survivors. But I guess the writers took Arthur Maxon approach and started recruiting outsiders. McNamara admitting that they would slowly die out resonated in some way?

[@deadcastlutinut2441]

@@PapitoQinn feels like a bethsda cop out to erase anything they didn't create and sadly erase all meaning of choice from some great games in the series if cononized (fallout 1,2, and new vegas)

[@deadcastlutinut2441]

But they love their brotherhood even though it just would be better to have a new faction join the fight at this point. They make less sense every time they show up in a new game and I guess we'll see how well they explain a massive increase in population after 4 of 6 bunkers detonated in response to losing a war

[@ivanvidovic2994]

The 2 things I am afraid for the show are : 1) The humor - for me the humor should be dark but realistic, and not Marvel-like, seems from the trailers that the humor will take the ironic Marvel route 2) Lore breaking - not in some obscure minor way,but major lore established breaks, like in the trailer what appears to be an overseer is an cyclops mutant, or that the goul character would not be able to even walk due to his advanced age, things like that

[@PaladinRex454]

While the overseer cyclops ain’t that bad I mean vaults are known to be crazy I mean one vault was filled with like 13 people and a tiger. Shits wild

[@funki4896]

There are many pre war ghouls in Fallout lore that are as agile as a normal human. Also a cyclop overseer is nothing to special if you remember the overseer of Vaut 88 who is a pre war ghoul, or the overseer of Vault 120 who is a giant squid or if you remember that in the Fallout universe there are intelligent Deathclaws (who also lived in Vault 13 and practically were its unofficial overseers), Super Mutants, ghouls, intelligent radscorpions and molerats and AI (like John Henry Eden).

[@loserguy5766]

Wait I'm literally just finding out the writer for the fallout show is the same guy that wrote The Dark Knight movies, The Prestige, and Interstellar! I have no worry now, he has made some great movies.

[@mr.harmuzad4201]

Nah, not convinced. Nolan says he played Fallout 3 but remains super vague about everything else. He might as well at that point lie about the fact that he even played 3 and instead just looked up some stuff on the wiki. Also, split what fandom really? Both Star Wars and Fallout may have fandoms split on what they like but here is the problem. They both have a similiar mindset when it comes to their modern media. The Sequels are crap. In general. VERY few people, like a very miniscule amount of people actually like them. Thats not splitting the fandom. Fallout 3, 4 and 76 are loved by some people. Tell me the amount of people that actually LIKE the stories of these games. Remember, the setting, the tone, the story, these are what matters in a T.V show. Not the gameplay that these games had. So no, I still think this thing will be dogshit and that Bethesda has muddied the waters on what Fallout should be at this point, that from Fallout, the only good content to be produced I expect to be good, will be from the fans. Yes, Frontier was bad, yes New California had cringe-worthy dialogue, but I still have more faith in Fallout London than whatever this crap is supposed to be. They just shove BoS down our throats again. Big red flag. Why do the NCR look like Fiends? Another big red flag. Why did you make Shady Sands a crater? Big red fla- "Oh but it might not be Shady Sands!" Why did they name it that then in the damn trailer? Power Armor made to be like Iron Man? Bullshit. Are we even going to see some side factions like the Great Khans, Followers or even Caesars Legion? Doubt it. Its just going to be a whole bunch of BoS and a lot of other small survival episodes in the wasteland, which in my eyes, is not even Fallout. 200 years have passed and we shouldn't have people struggling to survive out in the wastes anymore in the West Coast. Uncharted territories like Mojave? I buy that. But this whole thing reeks honestly. Mark my fucking words, this show will suck. Just like Netflix Avatar did. Just like Halo and Witcher did. Just like most of our modern media entertainment these days have. Yes, even the Last of Us show is not that good. Its just another corporatized mess that is being shoved down our throats just like how they shove BoS into everything. Its goddamn bullshit.

[@PapitoQinn]

So long story short: You have your mind made up.

[@mr.harmuzad4201]

@@PapitoQinn I just don't want to be hyped about something that has so many red flags. "Don't judge something before it comes out" Or you know... Don't judge them Negatively...​

[@ChrisiePeecy]

I will give the Show a fair chance, but i'm not 17 anymore and the urge to not waste my time with high resolution crap had grown immensely over the years. So i'm fearing as well that they just put some well known factions Like the Brotherhood into the show, but they're lacking any deeper meaning than "blowing up the environment in a Power Armour". I will give it a chance, but the first time I wittness lazy writing i will stop immediately. I see your red flags too and others as well, yes, but maybeeee the show can deliver a good explaination to most of them. Who knows.

[@gregorysweet867]

The bos isn’t shoved into everything they are literally the main faction in the series if you have a preference for a different ok that’s fine but the bos and enclave in a less sense are the main factions

[@Zahqariah]

@@gregorysweet867when it comes to Bethesda, it is in fact shoved into everything, New Vegas is proof that the BoS can take a side role or not have a role at all, 4 ruined the BoS for a lot of people due their cartoony bigotry+ your argument doesn’t even work because the Enclave who is “one of the main factions” does not even appear in Fallout 4, one of the main games

[@carumsarene]

I had a fan on the 76 discord start a squabble with me all because I said the official cookbook was mid and played the recipes too safe. Lol. Sometimes fans take Fallout too seriously and need to chill.

[@ThePoshboy1]

The only way to please me is to make a show with an interesting story and characters (and I'd be extra pleased if I found the themes interesting and developed off of the Fallout games' themes but I'll settle for good characters and story). I also stay the fuck away from rage-bait youtubers. They're parasites who ruin discourse so thanks for the level-headed video.

[@whiteelephant3673]

Bruh it is apparent to anyone who glimpsed the show that it's just more FO4, rather than FO 1,2 and NV. Just as I expected. 😕 I've found it goofy and at best lackluster, and I believe it's gonna get worse. Another blimp on the pop culture radar, nothing more, nothing less.

[@PapitoQinn]

So you got your mind made up?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Becoming a pariah work can be painfully very easy nowadays. If you're not a Star Wars Legends work, you're down. If you're a non-Bungie Halo game, you're down, and if you're an Ed Wood film, no need to guess.

[@whiteelephant3673]

I'm afraid so...

[@BadBadger70]

Man... I heard these "episodes" ain't even an hour long!!! Dude!! How that vault dweller gonna come out and learn to scavenge and scrap shit in an hour? I mean.... I'll watch it but it don't mean much. If this vault dweller can survive to episode 6, without even learning how to grow shit just to make adhesive, well that's bs! I'll do my best to watch it all..... I need to go save another settlement right now but I'll be back!

[@PredatorPeyami]

show looks like bethesda's fallout, this is red light for me.

[@PapitoQinn]

Well Bethesda has owned the franchise for longer than Interplay has at this point. And most people who are fans today are fans because of Bethesda's fallout.

[@billwhite1603]

Very good. But Fallout four more than doubled the number of Fallout fans that existed after Fallout 3. An issue I have is this. I have watched every clip followed by analysis from Mr Patty plays, Juicehead, Oxhorn and so forth. I was very excited. But this last clip they released let me down. It is very obvious it is on a very small echo like "stage" setting. This is something I have experience in by attending plays, being in some, but mostly playing in pit Orchestras. It did not feel very "Hollywood." When the BS knight comes in I guess with a jet pack, it is so poorly done it is painfully obvious he is being lifted and let down with wires the quality of a junior college play. Viewers not familiar with BS jetpacks will not understand how this is possible with no special effects indicating a jetpack, and lack of required movements of the knight if he were using a jetpack. Watch it some more with a critical eye.

[@carumsarene]

Squire, not a Knight, not as experienced with the PA. We literally never see him use a weapon in that armor once, he just goes around punching things. I'm giving the jetpack scene a pass since he's likely not completely trained with the thing.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

At least Fallout is an easy digest for casuals and newcomers. Just play at least three of the games, read a buncha feelie manuals, and voila, you're A-OK at best. Star Wars, on the other hand... well, woe to one who prefers TCW 2008 over the CWMMP, doesn't deem the likes of TIE Fighter and Empire at War even as Legends canon because they're video games that just aren't compatible to their capabilities (either because the casual/newcomer isn't into flight sims or RTS games, or perhaps it's a console gamer who is not into PC games, it depends), and even reading and loving just one "flawed" book like Crucible may instantly make them an instant pariah... face it, Fallout is divided, but it's not as necessarily "elitist" (for lack of a better word) as SW. Not a fan of TLoU stuff made after the first game. I swear, that should have stayed a one-hit wonder without the need of a bloated franchise. Anywho, the Fallout show must also succeed in a standalone feel, not unlike the first Resident Evil movie and the Witchblade anime, if you know what I mean. 4:39: The Arkhamverse Batman too, I assume, since he mentions games. Of course, is he also a fan of Tim Burton's, Frank Miller's, Darwyn Cooke's, and especially the DC Animated Universe iterations? I can sympathize with the "played with Fallout 3 first" opinion. Take a look at how many people started with System Shock 2 instead of the roughshod first game, Frasier instead of Cheers, and HeartCatch PreCure instead of the lighter Futari wa PreCure as weird yet sensible examples of "Sequel Displacement". Does Eckhart's Ladder count as a ragebaiter? Addendum: You sure love sniping armored goons on Fallout 4, eh, Mr. Qinn?

[@TurKlack]

I've seen it. I hate it. It Bethestard the one part of Fallout it shouldn't have.

[@DavidVenters]

llmao its not began yet bye and of course its not made for the fans of fallout lol but hey maybe u should wander over to oxhorn one biggest fallout channels and hear him say hes exited but then i guess u dont want to know that