False Apparitions & Phony Seers

[@teresabaker-carl9668]

I love this show. You guys are so inspiring and knowledgeable, I can’t help but watch and listen. And all those babies are just what this world needs.

[@teresabaker-carl9668]

Prayers for my son whose liver is also failing; 30 days in the hospital to stabilize and he cannot get a transplant.

[@teresabaker-carl9668]

You mean I don’t need to believe in Medugorje?

[@MsDormy]

God bless the little darling…. I pray he gets better - either medically or a miracle, and may he not suffer - even blood tests are traumatic for children. 🙏

[@PMV928]

I've always been conflicted about Medjugorge. My sister-in-law went twice and had positive experiences. But the seers have made money off these apparitions. I think one of them is a millionaire. When you look at St Bernadette or the children of Fatima, they suffered greatly (jail, etc) and became nuns. Something seems off

[@UrielAngeli147]

Having been there myself there is something supernatural going on there but odds are it is NOT from Heaven.

[@lukacasey9087]

The personal sanctity of the visionaries does not validate nor invalidate any apparitions. See the la salet visionary Maximin Giraud.

[@aperta7525]

Getting married is not a sin, regardless of whether one is a visionary or not.

[@gamers7800]

Medjugore is certainly not from heaven. The so-call seers have been caught in so many lies that it’s a joke that any sane Catholic would give this a second look. You’re first instinct was correct, St Bernadette, St Juan Diego, and the children of Fatima all lived lives of great suffering away from this evil world. Don’t let anyone bring up the seers of La salette as some rule against real apparitions, true they never enter religious life but they were never were caught lying or cashing in. Since they weren’t under obedience they were hounded their entire lives. You can visit the basilica in the alps dedicated to Our Lady under this title. God does not bless fake sites with beautiful church’s If nothing else remember scripture, You will know them by their fruits. In that light the seers of Medjugore make for some poor pickings.

[@Uhlankadett]

​@@UrielAngeli147 The proper term is preternatural. Something that is above the Natural Level in the realm or possibility of Angelic Manipulation. Supernatural phenomena are things that only God can do. A friend of mine went to an Orthodox Jewish Kibbutz and saw Rabbi's pour 2 liters of water into an empty wine skin and then fill up 20 1/2 liter cups on the table in front of him with wine. He had inspected the empty wine skin and saw no powders or extra chambers or tubes or ports.... as an atheist Jew he couldn't comprehend this. The Rabbis claimed this was something any member of the Sanhedrin could have done and used this to "debunk" the Miracles of the Wedding Feast and the multiplication of the Fish and Loaves. I told him if they had sealed all 20 cups with a lid and let them sit eventually they would have turned back to water and instead of 10 liters of liquid... in the 20 cups... it would have reverted back to the original 2 liters. Preternatural Beings(Angels) can manipulate temporarily matter and our sensual perception of matter. That "wine" under a microscope would not have had grape particulate and would have failed any tests for alcoholic content, just like "gold" rosaries will fail acid and water density tests proving that they are NOT gold even though they look and feel like gold to our perceptions. Possessed people can levitate and fly through the air because they are being lifted up by their Preternatural tormentors and cuts and bruises appear and disappear on their bodies... God does not play parlor tricks... if He turns something into Gold... it will still be Gold after it is melted or pounded or dipped in Acid because at the molecular level it is Gold. The same with the wine at the Kibbutz... people felt innebriated by His wine because it was wine down to the Molecular level with grape pulp and alcohol content and all the other material aspects that would be part of REAL wine...

[@ArtVeritasFineArt-ls1ex]

There is an obsession (which intensified in present years) with Medjugorje amongst also "traditional" Catholics. I truly don't understand why Catholics are not vigilant and do not "investigate". Medjugorje was very scandalous from the start...Additionally, if Our Lady, does not show Her feet in "apparition", then it's also right away "alert"...

[@MsDormy]

I agree - no feet??? And also, the statue seems off - I know it’s modern, but it has no divine grace. The gospa looks very humdrum. Ive been reading about the Lady of all nations lately; hete the image of the Lady appears with bare feet on a globe - yes, you can see her feet, but her messages are nonsense! And ahe never once advises prayer and fasting, but seems to replace the holy rosary with a short prayer because human luves are too busy these days!! But then again, some very devout researxhers beliwve this is really Our Lady. And, incidentally, a statue carved from the Lady of the Nations image was the statue through which Our Lady communicated to Sr Agnes in Akita. So I do think that God can use the non-divine for divine purposes, which would explain the devotion occurring in Medj.

[@charflorida5433]

I agree, A LOT is wrong with Medjigorje!! And yes, any type of obsession can be against the 1st Commandment.

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

I really appreciated the words about family size. Due to health issues, we have had to live with NFP very carefully. In the traditional community it can feel like eyes are on us with "only" three kids, and assumptions made. We didn't expect to be dealt this hand but we are striving for holiness in our small family and trying to share our time and talent further outside our home than maybe we would have time for otherwise ❤️.

[@laurakeister5965]

I feel your pain. We were Protestant and could only have 1 child. Then converted to Catholic. I've gotten some looks and comments have been made to my daughter.

[@anacelia9481]

Well I never had any children so who knows what weirdo Catholics thought of me? I didn’t care. I just go along and stay faithful to my Traditional Faith. God’s will be gone.

[@michaelshelbyedwards]

I like Paleocrat a lot. I discovered his material through this channel and I have been listening every night as part of my winding down routine. His message has been helping me so much lately. Bitterness and disappointment pushed me over to the traditional movement. But now I’m starting to become a “glad” trad. Thanks for bringing him on.

[@ThatCrazyCatholicMom]

We have 8 kids. My husband always says that it’s because we need to grow in holiness.

[@gregorymackinnon7485]

In my opinion, this speaks to just how much egalitarianism has infected society, even many traditionalists. We forget hierarchy of truths and degrees of certainty and judge all alleged private revelations & apparitions on the same level.

[@viviennedunbar3374]

I was baptised in Medjugorje, I converted from atheism. If you go there you will find thousands of people attending Mass, confession, adoration, stations of the cross etc. So many conversions and vocations have their inspiration in Medjugorje or connected to it.

[@patriciatremblay2058]

I’m glad that you have found your faith, but you are attributing it to a “vision.” Will you still keep your strong faith when the truth about Medjie is revealed? Even satan himself would permit conversions, vocations, etc. Think of how happy satan will be if people lose their faith when the truth finally comes out.

[@CatholicMailman]

@@patriciatremblay2058satan is willing to give a little to gain a lot!

[@marekeos]

Fr. Rodrigue is another type to watch out for. Aside from his constant message of apocalypse and the fact that he's been warned by his Bishop, this guy claims that he was taken up to heaven to meet the holy family and even God Almighty himself. And when you read the comments, you suddenly realize what types of people believe this nonsense. Everything we need to attain salvation has been given to us already folks. Stop with the nuttiness and the KZbin sensationalism (I'm addressing the crowd who watches and salivates over these "visionaries"). Great show BTW.

[@CatholicMailman]

He is a false prophet just like Fr blount!

[@vinnyfrancone3567]

Madjegoria. Phony! But some peeps have been positively affected. Please comment about if you agree. And if you don’t, why?

[@laimmaculata777]

I’m shocked that Fr. Gabriel Amorth endorsed it - I have so much respect for him so maybe I’m wrong, but as a former new ager, it freaks me out, and I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with erring on the side of prudence and extreme caution. Just because it seems benevolent or of God doesn’t mean it actually is - I learned that the hard way!

[@yungearth2609]

Just because you were born doesn't mean your parents were married, ie. Good can come out of evil but that doesn't in principle vindicate the evil.

[@quiricomazarin476]

@@laimmaculata777 is there actual proof of him stating on video or such, him approving medjugorjia?

[@lilwaynesworld0]

@@laimmaculata777 Amorth could be wrong his specialty is exorcism not apparitions. Heck canonized saints have been wrong on things. But to me it seems fake

[@quiricomazarin476]

Girl pretended to be poked in the eye @ bosnia/Herzegovina one of the alleged seers while in mystical state...flinched ( hence fake mystic state & then lied about her response).

[@joseph_mta5840]

The seers in Fatima were not in full ecstasy, they were able to have conversations with each other and people around them. Each apparition has different characteristics.

[@quiricomazarin476]

@@joseph_mta5840 OK perhaps...but when you say you jerked because you thought the child Jesus was falling from the arms of the virgin Mary...FRAUD.

[@Ramonsotojr]

@@joseph_mta5840 she said she flinched because the virgin Mary almost dropped the baby Jesus.

[@joseph_mta5840]

That story has circulated for years and they’ve never been able to validate it. She was also like 16 years old when that video was filmed. Was she supposed to get her eye poked?

[@quiricomazarin476]

@@joseph_mta5840 I don't think her age made a difference. Don't think the reporters lied. Many unsavory things have gone on in that place. Another time Mary showed up during mass taking away them concentrating on the euchsrist...fake as the virgin .ary always has focus on her son not taking focus off of him. Garabandal may be real.....the 40 year plus medju mini series is from the devil.

[@charflorida5433]

May 2024 the Pope wrote a document that updated the process for approving apparitions. I was so happy he did this! Finally! I wonder if this will change things for Medjugorje now, possibly leading to the cancelling of many pilgrimages? I guess time will tell.

[@MsDormy]

Sr Lucia was absolutely swapped for a double. She wasn’t even a double, she looks nothing like her. She not only had an extreme underbite and very jutting chin, where the real Sr Lucia had a nose-to-chin line which receded - and she had naturally dark skin, and a look in her eyes which reflected the divine graces she had been witness to. The impostor looks like a bad tempered dinner lady. Honestly you would have thunk the fbi could have done bette.

[@MsDormy]

Better

[@annemariewalker4249]

Liked your book very much. A story needed to be told.

[@judithforgony5276]

Let God be the judge, when a person always stay close to God You should have to ask and pray for an answer, sometimes things delay because of prayers

[@anneclark9508]

I have a question. With the questionable things coming out of the Vatican can we trust them to properly authenticate any apparition? I will appreciate someone helping me know if I'm off. May God please to bless and protect us all.

[@Jake_Fowler]

Yes, we may trust the Magisterium when they are pronouncing/promulgating things within their competency (faith, morals, Church governance and discipline). That doesn't mean the declarations are infallible, but they are authentic and binding.

[@anneclark9508]

@@Jake_Fowler Thank you so much. This actually helped me open up a conversation with my son who has strayed from the church, which is an answer to prayer. GOD BLESS YOU and I am praying for your baby

[@anguslean4058]

I stopped watching once they laughed at the fact that there were two sister Lucy’s Malachi Martin said there were two Sister Lucy’s The photographs and all the analysis proves it It’s also common sense when you look and compare the pictures Have fun on your road of ignorance.

[@bhas3373]

Great podcast! What is your opinion on Fr. Michel Rodrigue? Thank you

[@tarheelcatholic3394]

Jimmy Akin did a whole episode about him on his Mysterious World KZbin show. Check it out.

[@laimmaculata777]

The sister Lucy replacement theory has pretty much been scientifically proven at this point. Anyone who laughs at this or dismisses it is being very cold, heartless, and dishonest. I’m sorry if that seems offensive. I beg you to search your heart. Lois Gibson said this is clear to an 8 year old and she won the Guinness book of World Records for the highest number of facial recognitions by any forensic artist on earth. She is honest about it because her self-interest isn’t involved. She doesn’t have a dog in this fight. Please be fair and don’t laugh when it’s brought up because Sister Lucy’s murder is no laughing matter. People’s dismissive attitude about these facts honestly makes me want to cry. Sister Lucy and Our Lady deserve way more respect than than this. It isn’t funny at all. It’s horrifying.

[@catholicguy3605]

I agree. She looks so different and not just her mouth. To laugh about it is condescending.

[@laimmaculata777]

@@catholicguy3605 yes and I think it’s like stabbing Our Lady with a dagger in her heart. This isn’t to be critical of anyone because I MYSELF dismissed the theory as cooky at first, which I am ashamed to admit. We are imperfect human beings so we just need to recognize this tendency in ourselves as this humility is a weapon against the devil. There are so many false apparitions - when it comes to facts, logic, and reason, we can be more assured these things are grounded in Truth and in God. Anything that contradicts reason cannot be of God. Common sense.

[@sharrose7594]

I wholeheartedly believe she was the fake Lucia

[@quiricomazarin476]

@@laimmaculata777 her last public meeting with someone was 1958 right? Assuming in 67 when Pope paul VI @ fatima was the fake or real lucy? But if fake in 67 wouldn't her relatives in fatima spotted a true fake?

[@joseph_mta5840]

It’s pseudoscience.

[@AJMacDonaldJr]

A great book on this subject is "The Seer of Bayside: Veronica Lueken and the Struggle to Define Catholicism" by Joseph Laycock.

[@joseph_mta5840]

Always stay within the bounds of obedience to the Church. I also don’t agree with rejecting all unapproved apparitions because at some point you must tell yourself- all those 100,000 people in the Cova at Fatima went and saw the miracle of the sun and I’m sure they were told to ignore it by well meaning people. Pray and discern.

[@danielbraun6621]

The apparition at Medjugorje is an apparition for the Vatican II sect. All religions are.accepted by god. Totat heresy.

[@CatholicMailman]

Modernist propaganda!

[@CatholicMailman]

medjugorje is a modernist propaganda!

[@lukacasey9087]

Medjugorje is in Bosnia and Herzegovina not Croatia. Its unfair to criticise something when the criticisms are based off of information gathered from internet articles rather than primary sources. It's not as black and white as it may appear, and requires proper and thorough research from primary sources before a public condemnation.

[@lukacasey9087]

I say this in all charity.

[@jonathanbohl]

Thanks!

[@andy4996]

I cannot understand why Luisa Piccareta has not been canonised Saint at this point in time.

[@tubbytaylor333]

My conversion was in medj in 92

[@MK-jy6mr]

If this Holy Love is the same as Marantha Springs, they used to hand out messages at the Catholic church I was going to, the Priest told the man not to and the next day he parked just outside of the property and bragged that the priest couldn't stop him if he wasn't on his property. This was years ago.

[@joseph_mta5840]

Yes, lots of problems there. My friends are very devoted to it but I only went once and I don’t believe in it.

[@TH3MANWITHAPERM]

Check out Our Lady of Tre Fontane

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

Yes, Our Lady of Revelation!

[@vs5524]

Fr. Ripperger mentions this apparition in one of his videos. Apparently the message is more hidden than the 3rd secret of Fatima.

[@d.v.stuyvesant6944]

There's a series of videos about it in the Sensus Fidelium channel

[@karenfarrell6977]

What is going on with the flame of love movement?

[@CatholicMailman]

Doomsday propagandists who are using fear to sell their books.

[@karenfarrell6977]

What is going on with the flame of love,is that true

[@CatholicMailman]

Another false propaganda!

[@viviennedunbar3374]

Also the Church has given permission for parishes to arrange pilgrimages there. It is extremely orthodox Catholic in belief. There is currently a Papal envoy/observer there. He was sent by Pope Francis and is the second the Pope has sent to by present and support the needs of pilgrims.

[@samuelcrozier3661]

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[@valeriebalzan7619]

yes i love worship and love to pour my heart into it and i know many who wave banners because they love Jesus and are still very conservative so lets not be sarcastic and i never met anyone who loved signs and wonders and unapproved apparitions in the renewal and i dont know anyone who went and got converted at Medjugorje who has ever seen anyone using occult stuff there

[@paleocrat]

I love worship (even Bethel), and I love to pour my heart into it, but not at Mass/Liturgy. The same holds true with banners, though my primary criticism of them (apart from their being waved around during Mass/Liturgy) is more aesthetic in nature. I will not, however, defend the "Pentecostal Two-Step," as it is one of the worst "dance moves" white people have ever come up with. lol Also, just to be clear, what I thought was funny about it wasn't just the visual I got thinking about the scene but the visual I got while thinking about Kennedy Hall being active in the scene. And you don't need to just take my word for it, as you can see me talk in-depth and at-length about the Catholic Charismatic Movement in one of the earliest videos ever to be posted on this channel. Flanders was surprised to learn my views on the issue, thinking ahead of time that I would be principally opposed to the claims & practices of the movement. Since then, I have defended "worship music" (as a genre), the sincerity of Charismatics, the impact of their testimony, etc., going so far as to say that were the Church to officially settle the score, including it in the catechism, that I was unhesitatingly accept it, even joining in on their activities--including tongues & prophecy, both of which I used to do, even after my conversion to Catholicism! Until then, I have a lot of questions and a handful of criticisms, most of which I have discussed in various videos I've made in my Enthusiasm and Enthusiasm NOW! series. FTR - I made no claim regarding Medjugorje--in fact, I don't think I have EVER said anything about it in any of my videos or podcasts!--so I will refrain from responding about it here.

[@luzvargas76]

Father Ripperger. Says if you look for it you just might find it but it won't be from God

[@duromusabc]

You guys gonna watch Father Stu at the movie theaters with your wives and kids ?

[@bobhopeless4106]

I'll go so far as to say that if the 2nd Sister Lucia is the real one, it calls into question the entire validity of the Fatima revelation. the 2nd one is so clearly an impostor, using simple logic one can arrive at the truth: the 2nd Sister Lucy said that JPII's consecration satisfied heaven and was about his assassination attempt. if that's true, then there's no more point in waiting for another consecration, Fatima is finished, and we can all move on. No, the 2nd Lucy is clearly an impostor, and no amount of snarky, mocking laughter will change that fact. Again, if I'm wrong and she *is* the real Sis. Lucy, then Fatima is over and has been for a long time.

[@MW-he4cp]

Lol Kennedy Hall, you have the Medjugorje secrets stuff mixed up with other prophecies... Medjugorje doesn't mention tribulation, 3 days of darkness, or illumination of conscience. And there's a lot of Medjugorje misinformation out there.... putting words in the mouths of the priests and visionaries. You may want to reach out to Sister Emmanuel Mailard to get the real facts. It's important to get the facts correct.

[@trnslash]

Has Sr. Maliard done a critique of the book ‘Medjugorje Deception’ by E. Michael Jones?

[@John_Malloy]

Maybe you should present some evidence that the Sister Lucy after 1967 is the same one that has a completely different face instead of just "chuckling" about it. BTW, if this nun who had the vision of JPII had asked if the post '67 Sister Lucy was real and he answered "no," that would have given the apparition much more credibility as it reflects very badly on JPII.

[@kvurquidi3527]

They might be uncomfortable about seriously addressing the issue.

[@paleocrat]

If I remember correctly, Tim & Kennedy did an entire episode on the subject, and Kevin Symonds has discussed it in videos, blogs, and print. Suffice it to say, there was no reason for us to go down that rabbit trail, especially as it would have been in reaction to an off-topic & otherwise passing aside.

[@zon3665]

There's a great book by an LDS author that shows that there's perfect harmony between the prophetic statements concerning the garden of Eden being in Missouri and the Old Testament account concerning the garden of Eden. It's called Canaan, Babylon, and Egypt A Comparative Theological Analysis on Creation sold by Eborn Books.

[@samuelcrozier3661]

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[@jonwood431]

I’m trying to follow you but this talk was poorly laid out and you keep saying the same things over and over and I was expecting something not so personal. You mentioned Ralph Martin and charismatic people with no connection to false apparitions.

[@andreacolombo9441]

All this talk about "church approval" in the current situation is absolutely absurd. So you would rely on approval from cardinal cupich or cardinal Marx or from an envoy send by Bergoglio? That said I agree with Kennedy that our faith is not based on private revelations or apparitions, but they can help at least to remind us that our lady is always with us

[@Jake_Fowler]

We would rely on the authority of the Magisterium, yes. If others reject the legitimacy of the Magisterium, and set themselves up as the authority on these matters...well, there's a name for that...

[@TF80s]

The way you all put across your points of view seems very arrogant and condescending to me...also, hysterically laughing and scoffing at people doesn't seem very Christian, not a fan of that attitude.

[@patriciatremblay2058]

One of the panel, in particular, seemed to find things much more “hilarious.” You’re right..it does come across as being condesending..

[@Jake_Fowler]

@Saints and Scholars Humble, sure. Serious can sometimes be boring (example: few people watch my serious series on history, many more people watch @Paleocrat's levity).

[@paleocrat]

​@@patriciatremblay2058 Was it the guy on the panel with a sense of humor like St. Philip Neri & the genuine jollity of St. John XXIII? If so, trust me, we've tried to tone him down. One of the guys suggested he sit on tacks & drink pickle juice during the show, and others encouraged him to read "Debbie Downer" comments (like the one from you & Prince Valium over there), but no matter what we do or how hard we try, nothing ever seems to get him down. In fact, the SadTrad comments make him laugh the most, so I think it sorta backfires. Ya never know, though, so don't give up. I guess we can all just hope & pray that, one day, he'll be as somber & sour as you would prefer him to be... especially at 5 a.m.

[@zoltanabraham7167]

Kennedy, You make a lot of inaccurate statements about Medjugorje. If you are going to criticize Medjugorje, please base your criticism on what has actually happened or has been said there. Also, Medjugorje is not in Croatia, but in Bosnia-Herzegovina. It is hard to take your criticism seriously if you can't even name the country where the appartion is based.

[@ransomcoates546]

I am a total Trad, but the most irritating thing to me about the Trad community is this obsession with having hordes of children. God bless you in raising them, but the pride people take in bringing into the pew seven or eight major impediments to anyone attending Mass in a spiritually recollected manner is in my view very much misplaced.

[@Ramonsotojr]

Whoa.........

[@michaelshelbyedwards]

Nobody dealing with multiple small children at mass is experiencing pride in that moment. Trust me. We really do appreciate the help and good wishes of those around us. It’s extremely challenging. Pride is not really at issue. It more like pouring out every once if strength and energy you have at every waking moment to care for these human beings and keep them safe.

[@sdesantis9413]

if you see children as an "impediment" to your spiritual recollection, argue with Jesus directly about it - Lk18:16

[@Jake_Fowler]

Maybe be thankful there are small children at your parish? You know, the whole "future of the Church" thing...?

[@stelladee325]

The phrase to embrace is “ TLM : if its not cryin, its dyin.”