Fame, Fortune & The Real Meaning Of ‘Talent’

[@Cchogan]

In my Studio days, whether I was an engineer or producing, I refused to differentiate between anyone other than by job. Even if that job was “to be interviewed.” I was always friendly, welcomed people, but fawning was banned. In 30 plus years I only ever had one person object that I wasn’t treating them like a god. Indeed, most “talent” very quickly relaxed and enjoyed being one of the team. I even had one US celeb comment that they like coming to the studio because they were treated like a human and they didn’t feel they had to wear a “camera face” all the time. But the main reason I worked like that (and many people work in that way) was that if everyone was on the same level, each respecting each other’s jobs, then the sessions went twice as fast and the result was twice as good. There is nothing like pretentiousness to completely ruin the creative vibe! It spoils the work, puts noses out of joint, and costs money.

[@gudgengrebe]

I agree. People with attitude are intensely annoying. A friend of mine always says (about arrogant/wealthy/famous people) ‘we all shit and pee’ … brings us all down to earth again.

[@garethrhodes7340]

This podcast and these two together is one of my weekly treats. Huge love.

[@BTSHIQ]

I do too! Love them both. Love Richard on his own tv quizzes and his witty comments on other talk shows. Plus I’ve read all his books- so beautifully written and funny! I also never miss Marina’s columns. I’d love to write like her!

[@famouswolfdesignco]

Had a shot every time Richard said talent, absolutely smashed beyond comprehension 🕺

[@ellie698]

I'm glad you've got the hang of setting up the cameras so that R"s waving arm isn't obliterating a shot of M

[@nicholedowning8341]

I have never missed an episode of the podcast. The unusual things about that statement are 1. I’m American. 2. I never watch television…ever. 3. I never watch movies. But I love the podcast. I initially watched it because I do watch a lot of KZbin episodes of British panel shows and I recognized Richard. Anyway, just wanted to say I enjoy the podcast.

[@MrFuzzyGreen]

I hate to break it to you but you clearly watch a lot of television, you just do it via a different medium than conventional broadcast. The content is still television. Paid for and primarily outputted to broadcast content is still television, by definition.

[@nicholedowning8341]

@@MrFuzzyGreen my mistake I said episode and I meant clips. But whatever….

[@krisinsaigon]

Do you ever read her columns in The Guardian? She’s a brilliant writer, it’s what got me into the podcast

[@averyintelligence]

“I never watch tv. I do watch a lot of KZbin episodes of British panel shows”

[@thescowlingschnauzer]

"Talent" was also used to remind people that they weren't "stars", at least not yet. David Beckham, star. TV presenters, just talent.

[@sandramckeehan5679]

I just re watched Joan Hickson as Miss Marple and loved every minute of it. I even watch and listen to the credits and music every time! I do that about once a year. What a fantastic look at the time, era, and the person that character is. I cannot imagine anyone doing ti better.

[@krisinsaigon]

I rewatched all of those during the Covid lockdowns, they were brilliant weren’t they?

[@sandramckeehan5679]

@@krisinsaigon Absolutely! Nothing done now comes close.

[@jaspersquire5931]

The Boris Book sales glee 😂

[@steveb1972]

I absolutely love the passion and excitement coming from you both when you’re talking about your bizarre, utterly pointless (sic), fascinating and exciting working World! I could listen to you both for hours - oh wait, I DO! ☺️

[@stixdan]

I think the 'talent' vs everyone else is interesting, I've seen similar in other industries where the people doing billable work are referred to as 'professionals' while the receptionists, secretaries, IT etc are called 'support staff'... because they obviously aren't as professional or something I guess (joking of course!), so the same thing happens elsewhere

[@Robutube1]

I worked in industry and the derogatory term for "support" roles was "non-producer". The irritating part was that non-producers were salaried and expected to work extra hours for free, whilst shift pay + overtime pushed some of our machine operators in to the super tax bracket.

[@solipsismworld]

There's a great old Mitchell and Webb skit about "not this, but something like this"

[@5irFergie]

I'm really enjoying franchise so far

[@MassiveCatLittleLegs]

I don't know where it originated (I heard it first in a Noel Gallagher interview), but there's a famous saying that if you become famous before you know who you are then it will come to define you. Liam Payne was 17 when he became famous.. It formed a foundational aspect of his self-identity that when it was taken away (to the extent that it was taken away - he was still famous), he had nothing left. Cowell and his cohort have blood on their hands - they take these children from total obscurity and, with well oiled marketing, promotional, and songwriting teams behind them, propel them to enormous fame. It's almost a license to print money, and very difficult to get wrong. There are enough young girls out there, hormones just kicking in, who are going to be enraptured by 5 decent looking haircuts singing songs about how "we're gonna be together, gurrrl" and such like. Then, inevitably, and with rare exception, it all falls apart.

[@SayWhatNow666]

And now an advert for Sky

[@averyintelligence]

So what about Stevie wonder ir Justine timberlake? They have been famous since they was children. Yet they both appear fine. So if you suggest that people have arrested development at whichever age they see fame then you would also have to explain why certain artists don’t experience that. Otherwise it’s just a link. Also cowell was just doing what waterman, Clive Davis and tens of other executives, producers and businessmen did. He just did it bigger. The music business is tough whether you’re independent or on a label. No point blaming the person who made the opportunity possible. That’s backwards thinking. That’s like blaming a pimp because you chose to be a brass. People desperately try to dehumanise business people within the music industry. But you’re not blaming him for making them rich. Just famous? they can all give their money back if they don’t want it. Plus all 1D boys have solo career attempts which proves they want fame. Most of the extras in boybands usually retire and go live on a farm by age 27. They’ve chosen to stay IN the limelight

[@averyintelligence]

Or

[@LindaJacks-v2f]

Marina, I’ve been re-watching Joan Hickson’s Miss Marple as well, via maybe Brit Box. Like you, I’m amazed at how she enthralls me with what looks like so little effort. I’ve looked at her expressions, listened to her inflections and couldn’t put a finger on the key to her effectiveness. You got it in one. Somehow, she instinctively knew how to act on tv vs the Big Screen in a more modern world. I was also thrilled to hear a quick mention of Barbara Pym. (I won’t send a note to Richard about how many times I’ve read/re-read/listened to the Thursday Murder Club books. Surely, he’s all topped up with adulation. 😂)

[@user-ic4vo2zc6f]

There's a very good song from Just Jack 'stars in their eyes' that sums up quick access to stardom very well.

[@ChrisH78]

I'd love it if Marina could ask Richard E. Grant why he won't let Richard Herring put out his RHLSTP podcast!

[@stephenandrews1318]

Seconded

[@billyb7852]

As someone who used to work in hospitals, the ego of the “talent” also exists for certain surgeons and doctors. Their over inflated ego helps get them to their position but they can be divas, bullies, and immense headaches for everyone else. It is very difficult in any top down organisation to avoid developing this kind of culture.

[@abzulooks6012]

When it comes to estates: Composer Igor Stravinsky died in 1971, so his compositions are not yet in the public domain. Pianist Sylvie Courvoisier did a solo piano reduction of "Rite Of Spring" - which premiered in 1913! - and it was nixed by the estate; she ended up recording Stravinsky's two-piano version.

[@icarusandtherabbit]

Now I love all this, but I woke up at 4am wanting to go to the gym, I’ve been listening to this and now I want to go bad to bed and sleep for another hour. My brain is winding down and I’m getting sleepy. Ok new rule, listen to this when I go to bed . Stephen Fry’s voice has the same effect. Don’t drive and listen to this. ‘Less exciting than the extra homework club’ needs to be the tag line of this episode. 😂

[@kernowchris]

When Richard said 'Talent Stairs' I assumed it was an idea for a new show where 'Talent' have to _stare_ at each other without blinking. Winner gets nothing but a boost to their ego, loser gets eyedrops and a tissue.

[@melhughes3567]

Or a game show where talent move up a some steps by winning smaller games of chance and slight of hand untill they reach the panicle of the stairs and promptly get arrested.

[@krisinsaigon]

I thought it was a thing where Alexander Armstrong came out before the show and just stared at them all one at a time to get them used to him before filming started

[@lisearchbold6864]

I totally agree, Joan Hickson in the best Marple. I love the radio plays she did as well.

[@johnjames-glover4630]

Are you perhaps getting mixed-up with June Whitfield?

[@theCaravanMartins]

Joan Hickson did audiobook readings of Marple as well as TV. There was as sharp as a knife quietness to her performance and a polite deference to her character that nobody else playing Marple had. They're always too bold and confident for the quiet spinster from St Mary Mead.

[@johnjames-glover4630]

I see. I didn't know about the audio book readings.

[@achatwithalex474]

The good news is BoJo's book is £15 at my local Tesco's. At 784 pages long, my days of waiting for luxury soft to be on clubcard are well in the past

[@solipsismworld]

Thank you, Richard, for reining Marina in. You asked a really interesting question about the process, and Marina was so excited that she didn't want to answer the question (explain), she just wanted to talk about interesting observations and anecdotes. (Still love you, Marina, just calling like it is.)

[@Tom_Dancer]

Listen, I'm not sure how I haven't noticed before quite how much Richard says "Listen".

[@lakrids-pibe]

By and large

[@chrisc_1012]

Listen, by & large…

[@jonathanattoe-martin2792]

and 'Exactly that'

[@JonCoupland]

Come on maaan

[@Tinyflypie]

Absolutely

[@archwombat9250]

They did call an ambulance in the hotel for Liam. It’s clear they did if you read the 911 call transcript. The police came with them because he was trashing the room.

[@mouselovinlady]

Yes, the hotel receptionist wanted the ambulance to come alone and the responder said the police had to come because of the risk.

[@archwombat9250]

@@mouselovinlady I think the transcript showed the hotel was primarily concerned with his welfare and not with the damage to the room or the disturbance. They came out of it looking good.

[@mickboon9831]

Marina Hyde was played by The Fast Show's Paul Whitehouse. BRILLIANT!

[@ilpalozzo]

Richard Osman mentioned his brother was in Suede?

[@Brombeermarmeladenbrot]

Still is, I suppose.

[@djh3239]

Yes, he is 😊

[@TheMegaMusicProject]

Top 3 modern Christmas songs: Spin me a Christmas by Aqua, Underneath the tree by Kelly Clarkson and Kiss Me Babe, It's Christmas Time by Owl City. But if you want something a bit odd, listen to Twas the night before Christmas by the Four Tops.

[@Gordon.Pinkerton]

DMX's Rudolph freestyle is a fave of mine

[@averyintelligence]

Don’t forget Rudolph the red nose reindeer by destiny’s child

[@DSQueenie]

The definitive Miss Marple for me is Margaret Rutherford.

[@djtwo2]

None of them are anything like in the books, where almost everything is done in discussions in the cottage.

[@catgladwell5684]

I liked Geraldine McEwan. She brought a sparkiness to the role.

[@emmaellymom1]

Sinead was so right before her time…RIP❤️

[@artwithmichael5547]

I saw Johnson’s book in The Works the other day and couldn’t prevent a sharp I take of breath.

[@RaeCY]

Such a good episode! Is Marina's gift a countdown aid?

[@minnie383]

imo: harry styles had special treatment in that band, because his family was friends with the azoffs. when he might have gone wrong, he was swiftly moved in with the winston family. the others did not really get any help, even when they were in serious trouble. (eating disorder, alcoholism, needing a knee operation)

[@grantwallace1882]

Is anyone else now whistling the Miss Marple theme tune?

[@Coin945]

Wow I’m very keen to Watch that boyband Louis Theroux documentary. Its exactly in my wheelhouse!

[@BTSHIQ]

Joan Hickson is my definitive Miss Marple too!❤

[@morganthedruid1]

It's interesting how someone as articulate and frankly pithy as Marina absolutely falls apart in a lovely way and gushes when she talks about her own project

[@MoonbeameSmith]

The Talent started ages ago with hand crank cameras. The Artists were treated with kid gloves if they sold tickets. Later the Talent "needed" to be treated differently because they had to remember lines and act a certain way and needed that focus. All well and good but some artists take that as a reason to be hard to deal with. As for the money, Artists, outside of the of selling tickets/bums in seats/eyes on the screen.. understand (as much as football/baseball/hockey players do) that their careers are limited to a finite period of time and that they must get the cash while they can. The whole system seems to be based upon those concepts.. that and the fact that agents/managers et al get a percentage of the Artist's take so the more, the more.

[@EleanorPeterson]

13:50 - A neat bit of body language: 'mirroring gestures'. 🤔 👀

[@ennayanne]

reminds me of that episode of I'm alan partridge where he has to pulp all his books

[@igualmente22]

“Bouncing Back”😂

[@KristineMaitland]

Greetings from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦!

[@bianquita1]

It brings me immense joy to hear Johnson's book is a flop. Too bad the publishers wasted good money on him instead of paying proper, more interesting authors for their work.

[@CaesarTjalbo]

Sometimes, I'm less interested in who else is absolutely brilliant than in Marina just finishing the bloody sentence.

[@raleghhowes2778]

Oh relax jeez 😂

[@stevecochrane5376]

So we now have a new dinner party game. We fire up the big screen and turn down the sound( to the Rest is Entertainment.) Draw straws for pairs ( everyone always want to be Marina) and have to adlib 3 full mins of any subject chosen by the other dinner guests. Hugely popular and very funny. There are points for both Marina and Richards catch phrases and accents. We just love listening to the wonderful Pod casts .... and now its the gift that keeps on giving. Go on Richard, turn it into a board game ... bring it out for Christmas

[@dammhagen]

Expecting a frank dissection of The Franchise, which turned out unremittingly bleak, which is not what I expected, given the talent in the writers' room!

[@neiljackson3133]

Such restraint. The magic word "Cilla" wasn't mentioned.

[@joneggelton]

11:35

[@GingerPiston]

According to Marina, literally everyone she works with is "absolutely brilliant" to the point it becomes meaningless. Great and interesting episode though. Thanks.

[@linedwell]

I wonder what Alexander Armstrong is like behind the scenes? I think it'd break my heart to find out he acts like a 'star' 😢

[@michael1]

Terrible. I met him at Euston station. He was pushing a stolen shopping trolley full of piles of tatty plastic bin bags. "Pointless!" I shouted and he spat at me and told me to go away. His matted greasy hair and black beard made him look different from when he's on TV. I rang Elstree studios to complain and the woman said "Don't be silly it obviously wasn't Mr Armstrong" - I guess now I've written this I realise she was probably correct.

[@linedwell]

@@michael1 that does sound more like Noel Edmonds tbf. 🤪

[@tonkysue207]

Hilarious 💜uk

[@MazLad]

Ah yes I've seen that guy. Ended up writing a letter to Ian McShane but turns out it wasn't him either.

[@byrnedes]

Live show? What can possibly go wrong. 😱

[@richardcolver8136]

Overpaid talent at 18:00 and he doesn’t mention the most overpaid BBC version, Mr Lineker. Sorry who owns the podcast company? Biting the hand etc I suppose.

[@Jimmy180-b1n]

Nice one

[@chrisknight2631]

Will the live episode be live streamed as it’s happening, or will there just be an edited version released on the next Tuesday or Thursday? I cannot get down to London for the show (I’m in Cheshire and have no more annual leave left!), but I would really like to watch it live, as it happens.

[@clarekelso7841]

Not just young people. No one saved Mathew Perry

[@angelica351a]

If I didn't live 3810 miles from royal Albert hall

[@JPBelanger]

Somebody's been having fun with Google Maps 🙂 Do you realise you've given avay your position to anyone willing to go around in a circle on the surface of the earth yelling "Angelica!" 'til they find you....

[@AndreS_22246]

@@JPBelanger I’ll give you a ‘like’ if you calculate the size of that circle ⭕️

[@JPBelanger]

@@AndreS_22246 ha! My non-euclidian geometry is not that strong. Also, the earth being an oblate spheroid (approximately) would make it simpler for me to walk it 😁

[@andbec7395]

Immediately goes to Google maps, which didn't cope. According to an online distance calculator, I am 11800 miles away (18k km). I guess I'm not going this year...

[@markmcnulty7736]

Blofeld was in the books. Thunderball at least. Fleming gives him a long and detailed backstory. Richard!

[@davidfriend4328]

It caused decades of lawsuits too, between Kevin McClory and Eon, for the very reason that he appeared in the Thunderball novel.

[@southsidejohnny5624]

On Richard’s point of singers in a band who doesn’t write the songs being replaceable : can you imagine The Who being fronted by anyone other than Roger Daltry?

[@mickboon9831]

Is that the exception, not the rule?

[@lakrids-pibe]

I love Richard E. Grant

[@chrichtonsworld1]

Wesley Snipes is a wrong example. He was also attached to the Blade franchise as a producer but his role was minimized because writer / director David Goyer wanted Blade out. That is why Ryan Reynolds and Jessica Biel were given prominence. Since Snipes couldn't get out under the contract he did the best thing. Make life difficult for the director and crew. And why not? If the main character's role is reduced to a side character and you don't have a say in it whatsoever, what would you do? Snipes in resistance mode was still the best thing in the film. People want to see Blade. The Deadpool & Wolverine film has demonstrated this.

[@davidfriend4328]

There are so many presenters on British television who have a job for life even though they are clearly replaceable. Davina McCall, for example, has no particular talent, yet has been on our screens for three decades. She admitted in 2005 that she was only carrying on because she thought she might run out of money, so she doesn't feel a lot of love for it either. Yet, barring scandal, illness or retirement, unimaginative executives will keep handing her work until she is in her sixties.

[@averyintelligence]

Davina McCall is a great presenter. Probably one of my fav presenters. So just goes to show that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Her and ferne cotton are arguable the most real in modern presenting too. Venturing out of the norm for British TV and speaking about mental health, fitness and menopause. Can’t say the same for Wollabooby and the rest. Maybe Reggie Yates is the only other presenter I can think of and go “ah yea you have done something worthy with your fame and made programmes of value”. The rest simply present junk tv. Apart from the ones like osman who do panels and quizzes. For me I don’t understand ant and dec. I understand their history of being cute actors and then having a small music career. But presenting? Sorry but ant is a terrible presenter. Dec is great and clearly the one with charisma. Ant always looks and seems slow minded. Couldn’t imagine him presenting on his own. Plus he is a drunk driver yet still gets paid 6/7 figures a year. Are tv presenters supposed to have an extra talent? Arguably the majority of them don’t so I’m not sure what your point is about that anyway. What talent does holly willobooby, vernan Kay or Emma Willis have? Modelling? That’s it. They still do/did a good job

[@averyintelligence]

Actually I don’t think holly willobooby is a good presenter. But you get my point.

[@steveb1972]

Richard I watched the first 15 minutes of Sweet Pea episode 1, but the terrible, cringeworthy bullying of the title character - I had to switch off. Well, you’ve bolstered me to give it a go again! Blessings from Brum!

[@jamesabbot-cole6814]

Think it's one where you have to muscle past the introduction to get to the meat of the show. That way you understand why the character is how she is later on.

[@richardsmith3917]

With people like Alan Moore or the writer of Mary Poppins famously preventing or vocally attacking adaptation of their work.is there a way for "artists" to control what happens to their work post death like rules that the estate holder would be forced to comply with?

[@simonmandrakejones]

I am sympathetic to Alan Moore as he was treated appallingly by DC around Watchmen, but he has played fast and loose with other people's IP in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (albeit probably staying the right side of copyright infringement) as a general comment about culture.

[@new_memeplex]

Please keep us updated on the Johnson book sales, it says a lot about the disconnect of the right wing media from the general public. Ie: the claim that Johnson has widespread popularity etc.

[@mickboon9831]

Perhaps he's massively popular among people who don't read much

[@hpoonis2010]

"Are TV presenters indispensable?" Less so than the continuity folk we used to get on the telly who would be telling the viewer what was coming on next/soon.

[@fraserwebster8761]

Was Osman paid every time he said "talent" in this? Jesus.

[@thomasdalton1508]

I think with TV presenters a big part of it is risk. There is much less risk going with someone that has presented big TV shows before and producers are willing to pay extra for that reduction in risk. They probably won't do a better job than someone unknown that you get through an open casting, but you know they will do a decent job and you aren't going to get a couple of episodes in and realise you've hired a dud.

[@1959ticktock]

Young men in boy bands Marina? Are you sure young women in girl bands don't get exploited as much - in fact more?

[@richardwilson1234]

My apologies to Marina Hyde. I didn't know she wrote scripts and stuff, I just enjoy her column in the Guardian.

[@ellie698]

You watch TV soi don't have to. Haven't bought a truly licence for 20 years and nothing you talk about makes me want to buy one tbh 😂

[@clarekelso7841]

Everyone hating Beckham was a good example of talent in crisis.

[@webmart70]

In music everybody's an "artist" now😂 So if Beyonce is a artist then surely the sweaty drummer in a successful extreme death metal band is an " artist"!!!!😂😂😂

[@zerowheeler]

Of course.

You’re going to have to rethink that if the rumours that Prince Andrew has finally agreed to join Napalm Death are true…

[@davidtomkins4242]

If they are making art, they’re an artist, irrespective of whether you like the art or value the art

[@averyintelligence]

@@davidtomkins4242exactly. The snobbery in art and music is odd. People love to overthink definitions.

[@ennayanne]

they are yes

[@alexblackwood3849]

why are only some of these videos chaptered?

[@idio-syncrasy]

Who's Michael MacIntyre?

[@euansmith3699]

He is the inventor of the McDonalds' menu item that is a burger wrapped in rubber; the McInTire.

[@krisinsaigon]

is that that Metallica documentary where they get some self help guru in and he tries to worm his way in to the band? Because that one is hilarious

[@JustB3NJI]

Maybe Johnson's fans are waiting for the Audiobook.

[@maxine2798]

Do the bumble guffor grunt mumbles get edit out or not?

[@virtualal]

Calling a person “talent” for reading out loud. Another example (alongside rampant nepotism) that demonstrates how the TV / media sector is so utterly out of touch with normal workplace attitudes

[@douglasdeans2839]

Felix Francis taking over from his dad Dick Francis.

[@durangokid1]

Those talent shows are all about the panels. They're there to sell themselves. They have a cd, tour, book to coincide with the show ending. They come out with every cliche. We all know most of the contestants are c**p and will be forgotten before the end of the day. But....Tom Jones still sings brilliantly.

[@chrisknight2631]

On “The Franchise” I must say that it is excellent, so far, but also absolutely infuriating! If I was Himesh’s character in real life, I’d have swung for the Kevin Fiege stand-in (or is he supposed to be Joss Whedon??), and just quit. Horrible job. I suppose the elephant-shit joke explains why people stay, and maybe I’d feel the same, but good god watching the first three episodes drove me close to madness!!

[@Nicolchu_]

O'Connor chased The artist formally known as Prince around his Compound during a drug fuelled evening at the Paisley House 🙄

[@pokermarket4176]

@11:36 Sinnerman refused to be The Chaser?

[@aliflanagan7669]

Think it was a joke 😊

[@gtc9966]

23:07 the hell? They didn’t call an ambulance?

[@stephenmassey9159]

Ignore my name. It’s really Bob Scarfield

[@allanbarr1975]

No offence, but is Franchise not just Extras?

[@chrisknight2631]

Yes and no. Similar back-stage stuff, but the focus is on the first AD, and not a few Extras, so it’s about dealing with the Director, “Talent”, Producers (including the EP) and the studio-head. Some situations are the same, changing scenes whilst they’re being shot etc, but aside from that it is very different. It’s good, though, if not a little maddening!

[@sipepguru]

How to ruin a podcast, fill it with KZbin advertisements

[@Altn246]

Funny how they didn’t mention anything about Gary linekers salary at the bbc? Can’t work out why, that’s such a huge story… 🤔

[@webmart70]

He's a national treasure 󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿and worth every penny.. One of England's finest strikers and also sports presenters.❤

[@Altn246]

@@webmart70and also owns the company that makes this program… Not worth the money by the way - he chats about a bit of football for an hour a week and gets over a million a year, that’s crazy

[@djtwo2]

@@webmart70 "He's a national treasure ". No. He's on a show that is essentially just free advertising for football clubs, and all on the BBC which is not supposed to allow advertising. All that it does is give the impression that "football" is in some way important.

[@webmart70]

@@Altn246 obsessed much?😆 He's a successful and talented presenter and entrepreneur and a proud champagne socialist,you gotta love him..good luck to him ..

[@WestermanT.]

@@webmart70national treasure is funny, the guy is a clown

[@deano22-c7i]

I wonder which team these two play for🤷‍♂️

[@mikeb3018]

gary lineker earns far too much for what he actually does. no one watches motd for his presenting

[@seanfaherty]

Yeah ? I think he’s great.

[@mikeb3018]

@@seanfaherty £1.3 million great?

[@maxine2798]

Because he presents other shows as well. I don’t always watch MoTD because my team isn’t in the premier league and not because of who presents it

[@seanfaherty]

@@mikeb3018 do you think you could do it ? Do you know the coaches and players personally ? How is your tactical knowledge? That’s where Lineaker excels. He identifies situations that most casual fans( probably not you ) do not see. Mostly I think he sees the game at a much higher level than I , most fans and quite a few former and current pros do. The only guys I could think of who would be better are Beckham and Rooney. How much would you have to pay them ?

[@mikeb3018]

@@seanfaherty 🤦🏻‍♂️based on that reply I rest my case

[@ozzy-o8215]

"They have overpaid massively”. - surely the ur-text of the great bozshitter’s life ???

[@techiebelle]

There is already several new 'Poirot' books written by Sophie Hannah

[@SeidlerDenmark]

I thought he died?

[@techiebelle]

@@SeidlerDenmark Yes, in Curtains, not sure how old he is meant to be in Sophie Hannah's stories.

[@horacephistbump]

Overpaid BBC "talent". Who springs to mind???

[@papamurrth1]

Not the most flattering thumbnail

[@EleanorPeterson]

Looks all right to me. 'British woman pictured in mid-conversation'. Er... yep. She looks fine. At least she's got her eyes open and nobody's edited in a Cadbury's Flake or a banana.

[@dividjones8107]

Heads up, there's a half hour advert for 'Franchise' in this episode masquerading as a discussion about 'the industry'. Watched the first two episodes and it is shite, massive in-joke hand job.

[@ellie698]

Marina "writing a berk"

[@minnie383]

i do not believe that you can get into media being nice.

[@jezlawrence720]

"talent" irritates me nearly as much as "professional"

[@markmcnulty7736]

But it's not as bad as "creative". As a noun.

[@jezlawrence720]

@@markmcnulty7736 at least "creative" is a reasonably obvious meaning. You aren't going to call a refuse worker a creative, or an it system admin. But you might apply it to a web developer or a poet. It's not got any "value" judgement attached it just is what it is. Talent and professional however are insulting to almost anyone they arent referring to, and therefore get used to mean whatever the current power dynamic wants it to mean.

[@thomasdalton1508]

I think "professional" is useful to distinguish someone that is a member of a professional body with credentials and a code of conduct. Someone that has a responsibility beyond doing what the person paying them wants them to do.

[@shonawest276]

Why name a city in England? Manchester, and then 'Scotland'. We have cities and towns too. Even electricity. 🙄

[@thedailynoodle]

What do you mean?

[@michael1]

There's no such thing as talent. These things are skills and people learn how to do them

[@davidtomkins4242]

Wrong. Some people are predisposedowards their learned skill - it just comes more easily to them - in the same way that some people are presisposed to mathematics. In tv your predisposition can take the form of lighning wit, extrovertedness, beauty, etc. Listen to the way that Marina can talk effusively, at speed, without pause or interruption on loads of subjects, throwing in great turn of phrase. That’s just naturally her. Her talent

[@michael1]

@@davidtomkins4242 No they're not. Some people are taller than others and some people are smarter than others - and yes, smart people tend to learn skills faster. There's no such thing as talent. 'Beauty' is neither a skill nor a talent. Claiming that someone being reasonably capable of speaking in sentences demonstrates talent sounds tragic David - I guess to the working classes the people on TV walking upright looks amazing too?

[@averyintelligence]

Maybe if you went to a school that pushed debating, critical thinking and speaking skills, you’d be as talented as marina. Interested to know if you say the same about Russell brand? Arguably more skilled as he is working class and wasn’t surrounded by readers or articulate people. It is reading that allows one to have such confidence in words. And working class people don’t read much as they are busy waiting in the queue at Lidl And you can frankly say the same think about any lawyer up and down the country. It’s a skill you can develop.

[@davidtomkins4242]

@@averyintelligence anyone can develop a skill, I agree. But I taught 11-18 year olds for 17 years. I can tell you that some just do things more easily and naturally than others. When they work hard in their chosen field, they progress faster than those who also work/practise. It’s not just the ‘smart’ people progressing. It comes naturally to them. It’s their talent. I saw the same with music and artists. No-one has to teach them these things, they just do them naturally. It seems bizarre to me that people don’t recognise these inherent traits that some people have and assume we all start equal and the only differentiator is work/effort.

[@davidtomkins4242]

@averyintelligence. I went to a very good school, thanks, one that did promote all those things you mention. But I’m a quiet introvert (not something I had to work at to become, by the way) and so no, I’ll never be able to speak like Marina (or Russel Brand, or Dara O’Brien). Their brains just work in a different way to mine which is why I find it impressive.

[@sixbilliontoone]

why does he say the same thing over again for 20mins,

[@andrewmontague9682]

It’s cute that you talk so reverently about the stewardship of characters and books while dodging the abysmal work Simon Tolkien has done by allowing the absolute disaster that is The Rings of Power. 🙄

[@aarowbach8711]

grinders work show pony"s want to be carried