Matthew Perry & The Dark Hollywood Underbelly

[@nickm8494]

I recently finished the audio version of Matthew Perry's book, "Friends, Lovers and the Big Terrible Thing", narrated by himself. A tough listen at times, but beautifully written. Clearly he was a greater talent and a more complex individual than the "Chandler from Friends" persona for which he was known. It also highlights the hypocrisy of the American "rehab" industry, whereby huge profits are made from exploiting people with serious addictions, hidden behind a very thin veil of altruism. I didn't know much about Mr Perry before listening to his story; after doing so I concluded that I liked him. He seemed like a good man who was blighted by a disease with no obvious cure. The tone of his book suggests that he knew how it would end, be it unexpected or intended. His close friends and family genuinely cared for him, but were mostly helpless in the face of his illness. It seems he was loved by everyone - apart from himself.

[@grimmertwin2148]

Much like James Freud

[@_drewcifer]

Can we take a moment to appreciate Richard’s quote “If a man proposes in a forest and it gets no likes, did it happen?”

[@BrightAsAButton]

Spoiler alert 🤣🤣🤣

[@serendipidus8482]

What quote it that from? Is it something from friends or something matthew perry did?

[@PatDK]

@@serendipidus8482from this podcast

[@SarahMcCartney4160]

​@serendipidus8482 It's a reference to fundamental premise of existentialism

[@SarahMcCartney4160]

Magnificent wasn't it?

[@krisinsaigon]

I can think of a long list of reasons why I don’t like clickbait articles… you won’t believe number 7

[@kimc8764]

😂

[@davewilliams5357]

another clip bait is that is the lead .......the (company) are livid cause they dont want you to know then turns out to be absolute trash lol

[@user-lu8hl3bg4x]

This is my favourite podcast right now. I get totally absorbed in it. Both have lovely clear easy listening voices. Just great!

[@robbiehoward234]

I agree. Both have a great tombre.

[@PopsicleSponge]

Richards comment about influencers taking advertising budgets was very eye opening.

[@ChrisH78]

Everything I've learned about Love Island has been against my will. Absolute shite TV for idiots.

[@davewilliams5357]

AMEN same view on thAT trash tv

[@barblessable]

yep , appeals to the hard of thinking.

[@MrGrantspants]

Agreed. In fact with most reality tv I can feel myself getting dumber if I happen to find myself watching.

[@SamBarge1]

I could have listened to a whole podcast on the issues around Matthew Perry's death, fame, hangers' on, etc. I just finished a book by Carrie Fisher's ex-PA ("A Star Is Bored") and it depresses me to think of the world that many actors/musicians live in. I love Carrie Fisher's work and I naively believed that she was in recovery for her addictions, like I believed Matthew Perry. I'm too old to be that naive, I guess.

[@ksc743]

Same. That's a different world.

[@stephenbarrette610]

Proud to be (very) old and so in the 80 percent who didn’t know who these people were and couldn’t care a less about them, sundering breakup or not - no doubt our ‘Nation Morns’ at this unimaginable tragedy - Great podcast as ever.

[@markmiller6402]

Well put mate👍👍👍

[@ewengarrod2198]

The contestants have become sentient is the most brutal compliment I've ever heard

[@sharknut]

The Traitors AU/NZ/UK with regular people is far superior than the US version with "celebrities". I don't care about them, the game becomes about the people and not the game, which is the reason why the show is great.

[@weeeeems]

Not saying they aren't influential, but this is the first time I've ever actually heard of either Molly or Fury 😂

[@R.Daneel]

Or you olded out of the demographic.

[@weeeeems]

@@R.Daneel yes perhaps. I don't consume any linear television and have no social media so I'm not surprised. Only mid 30s, live in London, very social and work in an office with 100s of people though and they have never come up. I just thought it was interesting how much of the episode was dedicated to the 'Charles and Diana' of 2024 and I was 100% oblivious to them even existing.

[@BrightAsAButton]

I live in Australia and their names ring no bells. I shan’t be googling them either. I get the impression I don’t need to know who they are. Somebody please alert me if I’m mistaken! I can feel genuinely sorry when strangers lives/plans go awry without diving into an inter rabbit hole.

[@DanHoskins529]

I’ve heard of molly, but Fury must be some new drug that gen alpha are into

[@Thirza.]

Ten minutes from now their goldfish-brained fans will also not know who they are/were

[@markphc99]

Never heard of either of them, never watched love island, never visited instagram.all r the better for it

[@ecotherapist]

Precipitating the Sundering were a 1960s prog rock band from Falmouth

[@peace_oceans]

Pretty happy to find your pod. Great discussions engaging hosts. Thanks !

[@macpac22]

Imagine if Marina didnt like the book....awks...

[@lamusica1592]

Celebrity culture is overblown and ridiculous. It's also encouraged and facilitated by oppressive systems that encourage people to fantasize and escape into dreams of a better life. Excessive fandom is a form of mental illness, you can be a fan or admire someone without spending loads of time and energy thinking about that person

[@lynnedelacy2841]

The Mail over uses the word ‘flaunts’ when referring to women on the beach or dressed up - they are just ‘wearing’

[@andreasrensen6465]

I love listening to your podcasts. Thank you.

[@PaulHaigh072]

There was an intrusive advert when Marina said the sun was a massive market leader and is now f… fallen back. I did so enjoy filling that gap in.

[@simonburley2692]

“Who gets custody of the Likes?”

[@leonnehaaijman4709]

Yeah, that's a new level of stupidity entirely.

[@deepressland7779]

As always, love your podcasts. Thanks Richard for the recommendation. Watched that 1985 documentary about No. 31 bus - absolutely delightful and so refreshing. That little girl was truly delightful - wonder where she is now? The bingo girls made me LOL. Everything back then seemed so much less frantic that today.

[@amac2675]

‘The G Wagon? That’s going back.’ made me guffaw.

[@anitahargreaves9526]

Thoroughly enjoyed this podcast, surprised not notified when new content dropped. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I've bought an audible book of the murder club from Amazon.

[@DrCalamityJan]

The US version of The Traitors gets such a bad rap because it casts reality stars but honestly that's the thing that makes it so much more watchable for me. It becomes a story within a story because these people have history. Even if I don't know them from Adam, I'm so invested in the past history each of them have and watching them navigate new paths to harmonious living.

[@vurogj]

Quite a disheartening set of subjects about the poison that festers and corrupts so many parts of the world we live in, albeit discussed interestingly by Marina and Richard. The Steven Spielberg bit in the middle was nice though.

[@DevonDumpling123]

Poor Perry he gave it his all

[@postedbyneal]

I wish Richard had kept going with his Henry 8th comparable to a conclusion that these days, if you're in the "court" of a top level celebrity ,there is virtually no risk or consequences , especially in the USA.

[@justlookingaround9834]

It’s not often I fast forward a section and I did try, but I have no idea who Molly May is and I am not interested.

[@monrush]

Ive never met one person who has ever been 'influenced' by any of these people...

[@ogden4]

Have either of you ever watched the Australian spoof documentary Utopia? What are your thoughts? Would you recommend it to viewers? Why / why not?

[@billramsay7351]

Never had less interest in anything on this podcast than I did the first part of this one. Did have a laugh at the Daily Telegraph being "right-leaning", talk about understatement!

[@AlexFaye-ti8gq]

What I've always found weird is how actors and musicians talk about getting vitamin B shots to help them keep going so casually like it's a normal thing. There is nothing wrong with getting a B shot, but most people don't get one daily so they can do their job. It just shows how the entertainment industry treats it's "stars" (cash cows) They can't get sick, tired, lose their voice for even a day because somebody at the top will loose a million.

[@John-Smith-999]

I'd never heard of of Molly and Tommy. Now I just don't care.

[@Novotny72]

"from newspapers like the Telegraph and countries like - er - ours -" SCREAMING

[@LaraA-ef8yk]

You two are hilarious 🤣

[@grantwallace1882]

The first story made me feel old 😢

[@dibdab101]

it made me feel lucky that it does not even feature in my galaxy

[@trudimclaren4301]

Love #precipitating the sundering 😂😂😂

[@davidevans3227]

still have no idea who Molly and Tommy are.. thankfully by the sound of it..

[@andrew66862]

I absolutely second the recommendation for Party Down. Are you having fun yet?!

[@mjpledger]

Smooth intro!

[@lakrids-pibe]

Sundering was precipitated

[@matthewdobson100]

she hasn't done "amazing things", she's selling some stuff to people who just think they need more stuff.

[@EdwardLindon]

As one might expect, there are many biographies of Judy Garland. A little help?

[@giffgaffnettwork5626]

Are Richard and Marina on a bonus for every mention of Molly May, Love Island and Tommy Tyson in the same sentence Was it 50? Must be a Paddy Power bet. Tell me I'm wrong!!!!

[@christophersmith108]

Vodka doesn’t cause breakups-people _drinking_ vodka causes breakups…

[@eimearkavanagh3608]

There was a Law & Order SVU years ago where someone uploaded CCTV footage of a famous guy who beat his girlfriend unconscious and dragged her into a car. What did they know back them that no one else did?

[@tokyobear]

Love this ... Richard Osman vs. Jake Paul. So funny. 🤣 Do it! Do it!! DO IT!!! Well, actually, maybe not. But it's funny just thinking about it.

[@duncanpaton7344]

Love island is not my cup of tea (PG tips)

[@NickDusting]

Brilliant if predictable piece on Mathew Perry. There's nothing new about grifters and hangers on - its the level and bredth of criminality that's shocking.

[@thomasscottwilliams6672]

I was really disappointed that the molly mae story which felt as if it had finished at 11 minutes but it carried on for twice the amount of time, I love the show but maybe better editing. It’s bad enough that there are ads every four minutes which are skipping ads after 5 seconds which feels redundant, and skipping through fast forward until next item, thus felt like filler rather than concise content

[@redmed10]

Re perry they talk around the issue of his drug use but they dont ask why perry took these drugs.

[@andrew66862]

Richard. I think you could take Jake Paul for a few rounds, for what it's worth.

[@angrydoc4769]

I had no idea what Molly May was. I thought it was a COVID variant

[@kevingolden5675]

Did yee aye 😂

[@krisinsaigon]

I thought it was the American comedian who was on Taskmaster not long back, the one with the short blond hair

[@ogden4]

It's an Irish pub in Brighton isn't it?

[@MoonOnAStickFilms]

If you're keeping count, he doesn't say 'by and large' once this time.

[@deneanrowe4278]

That was a really difficult listen 39:34

[@happinesstan]

Imagine going on TV to boost your business. I bet that's never happened before.

[@brunofaetten894]

Everyone in the biz knows, when you meet Spielberg, you say "it's the SS!"

[@sorscha1308]

I knew there had to be some reason aperol spritz is suddenly a thing. Absolutely hiddeous stuff. It would take an awful lot of influencing (possibly involving a cattle prod) to make me drink that stuff.

[@Novotny72]

Did Osman say he was 6 foot 7? Isn't that just completely excessive?

[@HD-ol1mc]

Yes he's a very tall man indeed 🙂

[@krisinsaigon]

If you watch the Australian traitors, they have one contestant on it who is never featured in the edits at all other than when there is a group and he’s there. He’s just edited out of the show even though he’s in it

[@markphc99]

I don’t, but that’s interesting, any idea why?

[@krisinsaigon]

@@markphc99 yes, I found out actually, because I was so curious. He is on screen in the group activities but he is never once interviewed and they never feature footage of him being discussed by other candidates, he’s just there. It drove me mad with curiosity so I looked into it and the guy apparently kept making comments which weren’t in the spirit of the game. I’ve worked in tv myself, and there is a certain level of presence to it, and everyone has to kind of join in with that presence, the make believe part. And he was talking about it like it was a tv show and not like it was a game, so apparently they just decided to leave him on the cutting room floor. He is a fascinating story. If Marina Hyde ever read any of my comments i would want it to the this so she could look into it and tell us more

[@markphc99]

@@krisinsaigon Thanks for your detailed reply. I feel this man may be a kindred spirit - not that I would stand any chance of being picked for such a show even if I wanted.However , having been given the opportunity, it's maybe rather churlish to attempt to puncture the illusion.

[@1212aoa]

I am confused!! The episode is supposed to be about Matthew Perry but it's not. Just like the other episodes never about the title.

[@HD-ol1mc]

The title is always just one of several topics covered in every episode 🙂. Otherwise the title would be very long.

[@richardsmith3917]

You should talk about how much Chris changed Hollywood for child actors

[@bentilley5412]

Aperol spritz was created in the 1950s.

[@cwoollard1]

Ugh.... I thought that was a new episode :(

[@peoplevrobot]

I feel like this podcast is running out of steam. I used to listen to the full podcast but soon found that segments lacked substance or any valuable information.. so I started listening to the segments that piqued my interest but now those feel stock too (Nothing in the Matthew Perry segment that hasn’t been said 1000 times, that segment was clickbait). The producers need to get people Richard and Marina can interview on the podcast. They are good hosts but need guests to bounce off of

[@derronhall495]

Who?

[@matthewstorar3417]

Molly Mae and Tommy Fury? Embarrassing

[@martinjones3519]

The Last Days of Rome.

[@agin1519]

I’ve been reading your 3rd one Richard. I wondered how they’d go if you weren’t so very well known to everyone. I have two small theories. Like it or not, everyone hears you reading it to them, like you’re sitting next to the bed reading them a good night story. You are, after all, the most reassuring person on television. You could be on edit soz: HIGNFY where where Christmas is canceled, Wimbledon is knocked down for scrap and WW3 looks likely, and we’d come away completely unfazed and entertained. My second theory is that you are Joyce Meadowcroft, give or take. Not that I’ve read the 4th book yet, but it’s on my table.

[@Elwaves2925]

I definitely think him being a known name has helped sell his books, no doubt in that. It's unvoidable. As for WILTY, I'd love to hear Bob Mortimer explaining a cancelled Xmas to David Mitchell. He might finally break Mitchell's brain.

[@agin1519]

@@Elwaves2925 sorry meant HIGNFY

[@Elwaves2925]

@@agin1519 Aah okay, easily confusable with all these initials.

[@Bessie66]

Fast forwarded molly mae and Tommy fury - don’t know them and no interest in them

[@TommyDaniels-zt8zy]

These two people are so vacuous and uninteresting. Not Richard and Marina, obviously, but Molly-Mae and her fella.

[@giotto263]

There is something that keeps them there...money! For f$$ks sake.

[@chrisstevenson-kuylaars7684]

You lost me at 'the BBC is at the centre'. Come on

[@GrahamA63]

Mollie Mae - is this a real person? If they’ve truly made millions why don’t they just close their instagram account and bugger off never to be seen again? Why stick around in her stupid fake world when there is a real world out there to experience and enjoy?

[@eddieoconnell9801]

Fecking stupid ads! Gave up watching it. KZbin is getting worse and worse for ads

[@lynnedelacy2841]

Sadly I didn’t really enjoy the Thursday Murder Club….gave up well before the end

[@marcl5231]

#stopsayinghashtag

[@michaldutkiewicz7631]

Why are those types interesting?! - I can't stand them

[@ChubbyChecker182]

The Telegraph but was fittingly dull and boring.

[@giotto263]

Money, money, money is mostly what this show discusses. It is never enough for some, so let them be the richest person in the graveyard; who cares?

[@serendipidus8482]

Matthew perry is at the end ..i dont know how to do the time stamp thing. Its like i 6th from the end. 😂

[@alansouthall8221]

good god richard's meeting with speilberg was cloyingly embarrassing 😂

[@JohnDoe-tp8mc]

Tabloid journalism set humanity back by at least a generation

[@richardcolver8136]

Talking about clickbait. This episodes title?

[@GaiusAnonymous]

slow news cycle eh, this episode is almost unbearably drawn out.

[@richard8176]

I agree that click bait is annoying, and we all fall for it like “Matthew Perry & The Dark Hollywood Underbelly” which isn’t mentioned until 39 minutes into the podcast.

[@Elwaves2925]

Yet it is mentioned, which means it isn't clickbait. One of the aspects with clickbait is that the title/thumb isn't discussed or is very misleading. That's not the case here. 🙂

[@icarusandtherabbit]

If you click “more” around description you can skip to the various topics and skip what you’re not interested in.

[@AndreS_22246]

They’ve provided time stamps. Just skip to the topics you are interested in. (And stop yer grumbling…)

[@invisiblekid99]

“Richard and Marina chat for a bit” isn’t going to show up with any YT algorithm and the podcast will die. It’s a huge topic ATM obviously and they do talk about it and the timestamp is right there. You need to adjust your opinion of what clickbait is.

[@jessicaforrister]

If you have seen this podcast before you would know that Richard says never to start with the number one story 😂

[@DeeKay84]

Oh, you are both so great, and so are your cats, books etc...that's the first 5 minutes of evey episode. Then the show starts, my finger starts on the +30 seconds button. And thank you fad block. Otherwise insufferable

[@steveh111]

"Stop treating subscribers with contempt" - said just before the "This episode was brought to you by" section. Irony rolled over in it's grave again.

[@gma5607]

Oh sorry are offering to pay for it?

[@keithtracy3316]

My ex's 11yo daughter's sole ambition was to do make up videos for KZbin and be an influencer therefore not needing to study at school. This gen z attitude is killing kids lives

[@enisra_bowman]

sorry to rip your rose tinted glasses of, but what was the difference with the once that wanted to be a footballer or hit singer? Only the fields changed

[@RyanJ_]

This podcast is always polluting my subscription feed with episodes yet to be released... Sure, launch the premier an hour or so beforehand to get people in on the live chat, but having episodes always sitting around so many hours before release is just annoying. I'm unsubscribing now

[@fndthousing]

Agreed. I have to unsubscribe, the notification spam is too much

[@dannyquinn9128]

Oh no... we won't miss you.

[@killthomas8373]

Womp womp

[@Anglegrindr]

Osman is brilliantly knowledgeable, but by Christ, he ain't funny.

[@maryrose4712]

Embarrassing watching two adults discussing this BS, with such seriousness.

[@nathanboulton2066]

dont watch it then!!!

[@maxine2798]

A podcast about entertainment talking about people in entertainment. Who’d of thunk

[@WayneFawcett-v1h]

Your most boring video to date.

[@anne-mariefindlay1626]

Why does she do all the talking? Really annoying!

[@lynnedelacy2841]

And wears puff sleeve blouses and plays with her nose - a lot

[@davewilliams5357]

that is the difference between men and women men take all information in before making a comment where as women tend to be gossipy types (btw general not all) i am a typical guy i listen then get a word in sometimes i do have my own opinions but tend to keep em in

[@lunnunis]

She doesn't do more than about half of it, in fact possibly he talks more. Seems fine to me. Women are usually perceived as talking more than they do.