FAQ'N Friday #39 - Eminence DV77 Speakers, The Best V30 Loaded 4x12, How My Tone Has Changed?

[@gavinkidd123]

DV-77 mixed with a V30 is amazing. I’m running a Harley Benton 2x12 with the pair into a dual rectifier roadster.

[@alexanderlumberjack]

Getting a mesa 4x12 with v30 and dv77 in x pattern

[@KristianHeartmusic]

Does it sound killer mixing both ? Together In the same cab

[@alexanderlumberjack]

@@KristianHeartmusic 8m back and fourth. One day i love it and the next day i hate it haha

[@dramius]

Think about it Kyle.... the more windings, of a higher impedance speaker would produce more control within the magnetic field. So the SPEAKER impedance should be the decider, not the CAB impedance, or AMP.

[@LoreAccurateHusky]

I have a multi-watt rectifier and it sounds good at low volumes. It does like to get cranked but even the 100 watt modes can sound good at low volumes. The only thing is the highs of the "modern" mode get very intense at low volumes, so stick with the "vintage" mode. Though I agree that the best solution is an attenuator, you can still get good sounds at low volumes.

[@andrewpiercy4949]

Thanks for the info!

[@nickharper8145]

Thanks for answering my question! Been giving my 5150 some love recently and have reminded myself why I love it so much as when I got it to play and plugged in a TS9 and noise gate what came through is what I had been hearing in my head for years finally achieved. \m/

[@belligerentamateur]

YESSS

[@Joey_Tatts_Palmer]

You are correct, the DV77 sounds nothing like the V30. I think they pair great together because of their sonic differences. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

[@Ironbird1776]

I bought a Fryette Deliverance 4x12 with a pair of DV77's and original P-50's. I liked the combo by myself, but in my band mix, I kept having to dial out the bottom end to get the top end chime to cut through. I pulled out the DV's and got another pair of P50's and haven't looked back. Now to unload these DV's

[@reticle36]

Please do more speaker cab shootouts?

[@belligerentamateur]

Sooooooon

[@AlexRoxjar]

From my understanding 16ohm speakers are always brighter than 8ohm versions. Refer to Hop pole Celestion video for that. DV77s are closer to M65 creamback but slightly brighter, not close to V30. Dr. Danny Mann here on KZbin did made a video on how even tape you stick on the grill cloth affect the tone of a cab.

[@belligerentamateur]

The Dv77 is slightly brighter than a v30? Not in my experience.

[@AlexRoxjar]

@@belligerentamateur no, closer to M65 but slightly brighter, rather than V30.

[@asnark7115]

@@AlexRoxjar I'm trying to follow along here. Could you restate that from the beginning? Try ranking them in order of "brightness"; from brightest at #1 to darkest at #3? It's not at all clear which one you are saying is which.

[@AlexRoxjar]

@@asnark7115 DV77 is just slightly brighter than M65. M65 is much darker than V30. DV77 is much closer to M65. Just edited the original. I guess I assumed that it's common knowledge how M65 sounds.

[@mikedervos5974]

you must do a celestion v30 speakers comparison video.A lot of companies like marshall,orange,blackstar,engl and etc. claims that they put on their cabs their own versions of v30s,there actually a sound difference ? that will interesting to watch

[@bulakke8808]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioHInGmLn7Cml80 Nolly did a video on this, I believe he looked at mesa and Marshall v30s vs a standard v30.

[@belligerentamateur]

Check Nolly's stuff. He does a better job with this stuff than I ever could

[@scottwilcox6313]

I have a Marshall 4x12 1960A with 2 1990s V30s and 2 DV 77s with some sound proofing on inside of the back. Sounds killer with my early Trem-o-verb

[@brandonbryson3317]

5150 is hard to beat. I keep coming back to it as well.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

Here's a FAQing question: You buy and sell and trade so much gear and find killer deals. You appear to have developed a real methodology for it but I would like to know if you got screwed over on gear purchases. What were your worst purchasing deals?

[@soad11dude]

Chris Khole did a video with one of the engineers at Jensen. Was a great/nerdy video. (4:45) 16Ohm speakers will be brighter. Putting two 8Ohm speakers in series will not brighten the tone. But you have just given me a great idea for a video... I have a 4x12 that can be run 4ohm or 16ohm mono. It can also be run in stereo 8ohms per side. I'll make a recording of all the options and post it soon

[@lowqualityguitarvideos]

Its a combination of both; the speaker loud matters, (16 ohm brighter) and the total load matters because it interacts with the windings/taps of the output transformer differently.

[@alexanderlumberjack]

Would love to see an update with 16 vs 80hm

[@miked5487]

What's amazing is how many different verison's of v30s there are.. And how they've changed over time ;)

[@codysroom6303]

I like lots of lows scoped mids and highs around 5 o clock. The high low end added bass at home gives u a nice heavey tone. But in a band setting id use less low end and less gain.

[@jaychen2000metal]

Yeah i hate a lot of low mids like 300 hz snd most speakers and amps have too much especially at low volume. Even Bluetooth speakers do, i noticed at Best Buy a couple days ago.

[@mobbinator]

Here's a question: with all the gear you buy, have you ever had buyers remorse? Or have you ever bought something that you were super excited for, but ended up disappointed you?

[@lenschumann1321]

Is there gona be a demo with that new gen jet city in the background??

[@bayouboattrash]

I recently purchased a used, but in good condition, Peavey 6505+ 112 combo. I was only able to play through it for a short time after it came in, about an hour. I know the stock speaker isn't the greatest, but did you have to deal with it being real bass heavy and flubby even with an overdrive?

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

The Diezel might be darker due to the wood it's made of. Currently the make them out of African Okoume plywood.

[@KPGuitarStudios]

Speakers are quite complicated. A key detail to consider: frequency affects inductance (impedance is a bit of a moot point with a reactive load like a speaker). What this means real world is that the higher the rated impedance, the lower the average power. The lower the rated the impedance, the higher the average power. This should give you more bass and less of a difference between frequencies with an 8 ohm speaker. Also a 16 ohm speaker should give you more dynamics between different frequencies and will have a tendency to sound brighter and have less bass. To understand what's going on you need to see the frequency response curve for the speaker in the cabinet it's installed in and you would also need to see the inductance curve as it relates to frequency and then you can get a feel for what sorts of differences you would see between speakers.

[@Joey_Tatts_Palmer]

My favorite combination of speakers are these. Best of both worlds blended….

[@andrewpiercy4949]

Thanks for answering my question. I definitely agree that an amp with a good master volume is best for home use. I have an archon 100 that sounds pretty good at low volume. Was hoping that the dual rec would sound good at low volume too. Any amps with a tone like the dual rec that have a good master volume and sound good at low volume?

[@DeathPandaDanceParty]

You could get a Two Notes Torpedo X as a load box and attenuator. That way you can keep the volume low but the turn the Mesa up and get the tone of it turned up but at a lower volume. Could try an EQ pedal with your Archon to make it sound closer to a dual Rectifier. Diesel Herbert have really good master volumes. Diezel demos it on their KZbin and specifically mention that. Using its channel 2 in plus mode or even Channel 3 and the mid cut function might be able to get it close to a dual rec. if you like it with more mids then can always dial them up and turn the mid cut off.

[@LoreAccurateHusky]

Having the master volume over the channel volumes makes it easy to run it at lower volumes, I run the channels at 10 o'clock and ride the master volume. The 50 watt mode also gives you more wiggleroom in terms of the master sweep. The multiwatts have very good sweeps for their pots. It's definitely one of my better amps for low volumes which surprised me.

[@andrewpiercy4949]

@@LoreAccurateHusky Thanks for the info!

[@xiwiwix]

Great faq’n video, bro!!! You hit those nails right on the head! Excellent advice

[@alseick]

AFAIR even using different impedance setting on the amp changes the tone if cab offers switched 1x16 and 1x4 outputs. I think this stuff is referred as `damping` Creamback H75 should be also tighter, darker yet thinner for mixing with v30. Marshall Mode Four 280 has a nice V30 speakers - more balanced yet still in V30 style. I've heard these are similar to Hellatone 60L

[@Dandrok]

Awesome content, bro. Quick question: what noise gate do you use? The link in description is broken. Thank you!

[@belligerentamateur]

Deadweald Golem!!

[@LukeDKramer]

What is the best high gain amp and why is it the Diamond Phantom?

[@voodoocustompickups2547]

Well, here is the reason why it is the Mesa Mark IV...

[@Sticky_Tea]

Haha

[@Ronny1031]

I’ve got a question for the next FAQ’n Friday. Have you tried a dimarzio x2n pickup? If so, what did you think of it? I had one put in a custom guitar and I think for violent, high rhythm guitar, it sounds absolutely monstrous

[@jaychen2000metal]

I'm in a Dimarzio group on fb and most love it

[@harrycanyon273]

Question: Seeing that you own a plethora of gear, when you perform live do you stick with 1 rig that's your go to set up or do you change it up from show to show?

[@belligerentamateur]

Great question! I'll answer next week.

[@davidatyson]

What speakers and cab do you recommend for a engl savage??

[@kow294]

Hey kyle, Waht do you think of rivera amps?

[@belligerentamateur]

Niot much experience but I enjoyed the K Tre

[@harshtruth9148]

Hey brother....wondering if you can answer this for next week.....I own a EVH LBXii 15w and a 1x12 EVH matching cab 16ohm speaker......I live in an apartment so i cant crank....Im looking to tighten up the low end because this thing booms so i bought a OD and it works great, does the job. Next im looking into a noise gate so the question is where do u think the best placement for a gate pedal would be? In the pre-amp section after the OD or in the effects loop also at the end of the loop or beginning? And should i run the 4 cable method or not? Thanks man wish you continued success and very impressive collection of heads and cabs.

[@belligerentamateur]

All depends! Mostly, you'll want it in front of the amp for high gain situations to kill feedback. But, if you have a particularly hissy amp, you'll want to go 4 cable in the effects loop as well.

[@arsinix13]

I use the dv-77 with the eminence Texas heat so a lil dimebag and lil mick

[@ryanrossell8479]

How does that sound man I'm interested in the result for a 212

[@arsinix13]

@@ryanrossell8479 it sounds sick as hell I’m using a prs archon mrk 2 head

[@AngryTonesRiffClips]

Great FAQ

[@SandblurPAHC]

VM12-65 speakers would be cool to find but right now due to supplies they’re going to be hard to find! Maybe I’ll get lucky down the road when I get another 2x12 or even a 4x12 if I’m feeling crazy!! You’re right about what you were tell me about the DV-77 speakers a few weeks ago. Keep makin great videos dude! Great job on coming up with new video idea all the time and keeping people like me and others involved in your channel.

[@SandblurPAHC]

Would you ever be interested in doing a video on Baritone 6/7 string guitars? both or just a 6 string would be cool!

[@belligerentamateur]

Not a bad idea, really

[@SandblurPAHC]

@@belligerentamateur next time you’re heading down towards Pittsburgh or north of me even I can meet you and drop off my 7 string Arctic Metal if you wana use it. I’m guessing you have a few baritones though haha

[@benpotter4905]

KSR also sounds pretty good at low volume, it still benefits from some volume like any other amp in existence

[@jb_50w78]

Definitely the equivalent resistance the amp sees (the overall load of the speakers altogether in the cab) will be what determines the tone and not the resistance of the individual speakers. That total equivalent resistance the amp sees from the cab definitely forms the filter which affects the tone. But it is a little bit more complex than that since the speaker’s impedance is not purely resistive (it has inductance). Also, the impedance varies with frequency. But definitely the total equivalent impedance the amps sees will affect the tone. I say this as an electrical engineer myself, so that is my educated guess about it.

[@belligerentamateur]

Good info! I need to do more research on this!

[@harrycanyon273]

Thanks for responding to my question. Yes I have seen Kohle's speaker vids but I wanted to hear your opinion of the DV 77. I do realize they are not like the V 30 but I already have 2 cabs with V30s and I'm just looking for something with a different flavor. I don't chase just 1 tone, I like a variety to choose from that's why my amps range from 2 different Marshall's, Revv, EVH and Randall. Thanks for your input.

[@belligerentamateur]

My V30 rant wasn't aimed at you, my man. It was aimed at the general gear public, as I've been seeing these comparisons left and right. Michael from Omega even contacted me and thanked me for clearing the air on these comparisons, as the DV77 was not based on any one speaker. Sorry if it seemed like i was yelling at you! Lol

[@harrycanyon273]

@@belligerentamateur I did not think it was aimed at me good sir, not at all. You explained it all very well, your input was great. For me speakers are like pickups, hard to choose because there are so many that I like. Keep up the good work.

[@jeffreymorreale7223]

Spot on re DV77 . They were never meant to be similar to V30. I paired mine with Eminence CV 75 because i wanted a different voice.

[@necroticpoison]

Agree on the DV-77, and yeah the VM's make the Neural DSP Granophyre one of the best ampsim imo on top of a great amp

[@dustyroadz7104]

Also, about the V30 debate/discussion, the Mesa V30's are voice a lot different than the others, especially the Chinese ones that come in the Harley Benton cabs

[@belligerentamateur]

They're not voiced any differently from the fee v30's of their era, they just kept the production. In England. Per Nolly's discussion with Kristian, the voicing change didn't occur until after 2010, long after production had moved to China

[@dustyroadz7104]

Ya, the new ones don't sound like the old. I dont think it's speaker break in, I think it's it's same that happens when anything changes a production location or they try and get it made in China for cheaper, it always affects something in some way. Some ways for worse or for better

[@sethgross3904]

Aye man, I’ve got an Ibanez il15 combo amp. It came stock with the Celestion seventy80, sounds like shit. Put a heavy magnet cream back in there. Sounds better, but not quite sure that’s the speaker for it. You have any experience with that amp, or a speaker recommendation for a darker amp? Not against a v30 but wouldn’t mind trying something different.

[@jardstenmark5005]

What do you think of Hesu Demon speaker?

[@rendyandrian7149]

My only experience with DV77 is through York Audio's IR. I pair that with Creamback H IR from the same maker and it's sound awesome. Before that I tried combining creamback H and V30 and can't find a good tone. So I agree DV77 isn't the same as V30.

[@DR440]

I never see much talk about the Marshall Mode Four cabs like the MF280 or MF400. Those things are oversized and really punch!

[@belligerentamateur]

Agreed, I should shut up about it though. Secret stuff

[@mikedervos5974]

Thats an interesting theory!! the one about grill cloth cover and how it changes a bit the sound,on eddie van halen cabs for example you can find photos that has not grill cover at all on his evh 4x12 cabs! im wondering how much difference to the sound that does without the cover.

[@belligerentamateur]

Not really a theory, more of a fact. Companies like Orange and Mesa choose the cloth material specifically for this purpose. Removing grill covering will brighten the tone

[@gabe70hb]

Hey man, any tips on getting the VTM to saturate more? And will the Hot Mod work with it? Thanks bro!

[@belligerentamateur]

Are you boosting it? With a boost out front, it should be getting plenty saturated with the gain switches up!

[@gabe70hb]

@@belligerentamateur yeah I'm boosting it with a Klone right now. It just never gets me into the territory I want it too. Might have to do a Tweak My Tone about it! Get ready for some shitty iPhone footage!

[@belligerentamateur]

@@gabe70hb klon style pedals usually sound kinda tubby. Maybe try a TC pre style pedal like the Pepers Dirty tree!

[@AllMetalReview]

Do you think the prs mt15 and the dv77 16ohm would be a good fit?

[@Ron4president09]

It is!!! I have 16ohm dv77 in a ppc112, sounds sweet, better in 2x12 though

[@AllMetalReview]

@@Ron4president09 yea I decided to go dv77 and v30 is my 2x12.

[@Ron4president09]

@@AllMetalReview i have an orange ppc212 with dv77/cv75 (wired for 16ohm) that sounds killer. I tried the v30 in place of cv75 but decided to stick with cv75. Little more “bite” and less upper middle fizziness.

[@petkopeet]

I have ppc212 and its just too dark and muffled. Im thinking to bo with randall cabs, watcha think?

[@belligerentamateur]

Randall is fine, their top tier cabs are on par with Mesa construction

[@queenspleen353]

Here’s a question for next Friday: what do you think of the Laney GH50/100 and the Laney VH100? Do you think they have enough gain for Thrash/Death metal like a JCM2000?

[@belligerentamateur]

Wish I knew! Never played them!

[@massttrshrdrharmonicminor2002]

Ever tried the celestion Hempback?

[@belligerentamateur]

Not yet!

[@sethgross3904]

Are they the same thing as the tone tubbys they were doing years ago? I thought that’s what they called the hemp cone.

[@lukkazac1830]

Whats up Kyle, cheers from Brazil!!

[@pwrmac7600]

I'm so confused, do you have amps in every room of your house? You shoot vids in all different rooms, and every time there is a stack of amps around you. lol do you hump them around your house for video's or is there literally a stack of amps in every room of your house?

[@DebonaireDerek]

Looking at a Splawn Competition, mostly a lead player... would you go KT88's or EL34's. Your channel rules thanks 🤘🏻

[@belligerentamateur]

Thanks man! EL34 for more compression and mids for the shredz

[@DebonaireDerek]

That's my best bet till I find a Wizard MC in the wild.

[@cajun3197]

I am not liking the dv77 for my sound. Not anything agains them. I prefer governors paired with wizards for a nice tight barky midrange. Of course v30 in a Mesa cab is nice

[@scottwilcox6313]

8 ohm speakers are not as efficient as a 16 ohm that is why 16 ohm speakers are brighter they just reproduce higher end frequencies better

[@KPGuitarStudios]

Q: If you were specifically trying to find a unique tone, something that wasn't the stereotypical Dual Rec/V30 setup and you were playing either hardcore or thrash, what would you use? Keep it metal brother 🤘

[@DeathPandaDanceParty]

Try the DV77 Speaker. WGS Reaper HP 50 watt with WGS Invader 50 is great as a non-V30 speaker combination. For amps, some hot rodded marshal type would be good for thrash. PRS Archon or Diezel Herbert could handle both genres. Kyle did a demo of a Mezzabarba MZero Overdrive that sounded killer.

[@belligerentamateur]

Ask this one again on the most recent video, I wanna answer it and forgot about it

[@mattvdh]

does your lack of smell enhance your sense of hearing?

[@belligerentamateur]

Not according to my girlfriend

[@sisyphushappyxvx]

Question for next week: Are you, or have you ever been, straight edge? I know much of the hardcore you're into is straight edge; if you're still edge, what made you go edge? If you were once but aren't now, what made you break edge? As a straight edge dude who's not into much of the histrionic, reverent side of the culture, it's cool to hear about other people's experiences.

[@bigchocolate8547]

Mesa UK V30 are the best imo. That mesa UK 🇬🇧 V30 are amazing but the Chinese version V30 sucks major ass! Mesas large cabs are the best imo. But I love both sounds of the mesa UK 16 ohm and 8 ohm V30 speaker.

[@bigmike9527]

Well now aren't you just a little peavey bandit 😂😂

[@newamerikangospel]

*Can't smell Friday* Oh no! It's covid!

[@Bognerman14]

Great talk Kyle! For you and anyone interested, this is a great speaker demo of many of these speakers in question. I actually find the DV-77 similar to the K-100, and as you said the VM12-65 is like the V30. If that's the case, can you really hear much difference between these? I'm saying 100 to 77, etc. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4vEp5-ancyaqtk

[@johndigioia6499]

tone is subjective what sounds good to one person might not sound good to the next no need to put down the creator of the post STRAIGHTEN THAT SHIY OUT MAN

[@belligerentamateur]

I don't even know what you're referring to?

[@johndigioia6499]

@@belligerentamateur well get with it man

[@TheKLeifheit13]

@@belligerentamateur musta been dollar beer night at Rikers island penitentiary when this was typed up 😅