Farage return is “game over” for the Conservatives | Andrew Marr | Election 2024 | The New Statesman

Nigel Farage is back. Are the Conservatives done for?
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Nigel Farage has announced that he will be standing to be elected as the MP for Clacton after taking over the leadership of Reform UK from Richard Tice. Farage had previously ruled himself out of running as an MP in the 2024 general election, saying he was focusing on getting Donald Trump elected in the United States. He has "changed his mind".
Andrew Marr joins Hannah Barnes and Freddie Hayward on the New Statesman podcast to discuss how the return of Nigel Farage to politics will impact Rishi Sunak and the Conservatives. Spoiler: badly.
The team also discuss the Lib Dems pledge for social care, and why the main two parties refuse to talk about this issue which is affecting a high proportion of the electorate.
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[@joejohnson1969]

I'm just thinking of the Essex "chav" revolt led by the man you wanted to keep in his box 🇬🇧 👍

[@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw]

I agree it's a pivotal moment in British political history. At the beginning of the last century, the Liberals were one of the two great parties. Where are they now ? The Conservative party is about to go the same way.

[@joejohnson1969]

​​@@AndriyValdensius-wi8gwl agree thier is no time for Liberalism now unfortunately even winston churchill left the Liberal Party political spectrum in history when he realised what was at stake.

[@darren253]

Bad news for both parties.

[@sarahsteeleuk4196]

​. Remember its the conservative party that's cancerous. Not conservatism ❤

[@KatieWilliams1990x]

There can be no doubt about it, this is an extinction-level event for the Tories. Good riddance. They brought this upon themselves.

[@richardmabe4186]

True!

[@simoningate2056]

At last a Brexit Benefit!

[@Dannydudelido]

And now they will respawn with a new name, but same agenda. Probably even with some Tories joining as well. Good luck.

[@jaybee4288]

Farage has basically admitted he just wants to merge with them and be their new leader. And Keir opened his doors to them too. A lot of these parasites won’t go anywhere.

[@matthewtrow5698]

I think there's no doubt they are going to be severely crippled, but there's a great deal of doubt it's the end for the Tories. They will still have enough numbers to be the party of opposition. At that point, if they don't get their act together, then indeed they will be wiped out during local elections in the years to come. Sunak will be given the boot. The Tories will struggle to find a new leader with any gravitas, but eventually, they will reform around the values they once stood for. There are some decent recognisable figures still young enough to make a go at a return to form. They need to shake off the incredibly troublesome right arm that have gained too much power chasing the likes of Farage. For what? 12% of the vote? Madness.

[@shelleyscloud3651]

Couldn’t care less about the future of the Conservative Party. Far more concerned for the future of the country!

[@bally1213]

Well said 👏🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@Readey14]

Well said

[@crzxr]

Quite right.

[@finneogan]

They're directly (inversely) connected.

[@maccagrabme]

Choose carefully then because Labour will not be the answer. Every single time in power they wreck the country and economy and the Tories have to come back to fix. If you dont believe me, take a look.

[@Frankie789]

The Tories will hate Nigel for losing them seats. NO! The Tories have done this to themselves!!

[@PCongeries]

Tories are not Tories not anymore from time Cameron left , they are now New Labour

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

Not if Nigel just... wins. Polls say Reform has doubled its support in the last week, standing now at *17 percent* .

[@soapfan2700]

@@PCongeriesyou’re right, I call them the consicialists.

[@knoll9812]

If seen as new labour they would have a chance. They are seen as more to the right and voters dont want​@@PCongeries

[@JJONNYREPP]

Farage return is “game over” for the Conservatives | Andrew Marr | Election 2024 | The New Statesman 1637pm 10.6.24 i dont think he's got much clout, to be honest, and i doubt reform will do anything in this election. as for it being a private company - says more about conventional politics than it does about a political farce re: an alleged maverick taking over an alleged political pressure group -which is more hyperbole than genuine contender for political leadership...

[@tommac5184]

I hope the Conservative Party dissolves completely for what they’ve done to our country over the last 14 years

[@Lifelongloser]

But if they did they’d simply be replaced by another very similar party.

[@RobertClaeson]

They have dissolved twice before. What we now have is the third incarnation.

[@blazzz13]

*80 of the last 123 years

[@maccagrabme]

Actually something the left and right currently agree on as this government are centre left, not right wing at all, its not what we voted for. You will get the same tricks with Labour who are emulating the Tories again.

[@xcf5587]

I think there is far too much personification of the ‘Tory Party.’ Sure the government has done a lot wrong over the last 14 years, but it’s been a coalition of people, a few have done reasonable jobs, many haven’t. What however is a very bad thing for everyone is a sort of 1-party Labour run state. Labour will win, and fair enough, they probably are due a go but these comments just annoy me really. Trust me now, Labour will not be perfect, there will be a lot of complaints and who knows, they may well end up being just as bad.

[@stevenfootitt2536]

Farage must be the most successful politician of the last 20 years without being an MP. First he panicked Cameron into the brexit referendom and now he's got the tory party by the throat.

[@DavidSmith-lg9fy]

@stevenfootitt2536. He is vastly overrated, having lost seven times, Yet, like the bogeyman in a children's story, he strikes terror in the heart of the media. I don't think the vast majority of the public regard him as anything other than a chancer.

[@DavidUKesb]

And he got rid of the dreadful traitorous T May.

[@haydenhoodless2055]

Because the media give him the spotlight constantly. Ed Davey for example, doesn't seem to get nearly as much attention despite actually being an MP and leader of the Lib Dems. Yet, ironically, I think Farage has shown that there are ways to move politics in this country in directions without being in charge of the big two parties. The only other figure I think that mimics this skill is Mike Lynch. That man would be the most naturally gifted politician of our times if he wanted to be involved and I could see vast chunks of working class voting for him.

[@werechicken1969]

Because the system is rigged. If it wasn't so blatantly rigged against the electorate the immigration issue would have been solved a decade ago.

[@simoncox9689]

yeah an all the damage he as done too

[@robertthomas603]

The politics in the UK certainly need Reforming!

[@michaelthompson-li7zs]

Exactly. Time to do away with party politics and childish debate more belonging of the schoolyard. Employ a think tank of academics/professionals/experts in the particular fields of health, social care, education, transport etc to sort the whole bloody mess out.

[@Twotierk]

Reform Britain 🇬🇧

[@jeremynoble931]

If only British politicians would take politics this seriously...

[@Rayblondie]

Yeah. All we want is good discussions and the right thing done but that sounds impossible. I reckon it is going to be a hard time with Labour. One term of a nightmare and then a reformed Tory or the Reform party in. Lib Dems are another Loony party and the Greens are worst of all.

[@Deontjie]

You Brits should insist on voting for politicians that loves Britain, not hate Britain. Why is that called right wing?

[@springwood1331]

@Deontje strange, isn't it, as if it's terrible to be patriotic and want the best for your country

[@jamescoburn6789]

This is serious? It's children playing games of gibberish.

[@rustyfeatherstone93]

@@Deontjie nationalism is a poison.

[@adriancoe2328]

Hope the Tories never Ever get back in charge Again!!!

[@harryworth8157]

Lets just hope the same thing with Labour ?

[@sdwone]

Farage will remake the Tory Party in his own image... And the right and far-right elements of this country, will ensure that *New Tory* makes a comeback in 5 years time! Farage has already stated, that this is a 5 year strategy! Oh... That's assuming that we'll still be around in 5 years time! The way this world is going... I wouldn't hold your breath!

[@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of]

I LIVE IN A LAB AREA ITS NO BETTER THEY TAKE EVERYONE FOR GRANTED

[@gortmundy01]

I think, statistically, they win 3/5. Its why the Scots want independance. Its the only way, other than proportional representation, to be rid of them for good. Labour will win this one, probably the next, and then? Anyone's guess. People are stupid, and the press is owned by the same billionaires who own the Tories so they'll get back in. Thats the problem for Scots voting Labour. A vote for them guarentees a future Tory government. Not that Labour is bad, they're not, but they are unionist and English folk vote Tory three times in five.

[@VaucluseVanguard]

Soo you want a Putin like one party state?

[@stevenkillington5041]

He will destroy the dying tory party

[@jasonjones2470]

It would be a good thing if it could be don with out letting somfing just as bad or even worse in like the labour party.

[@richardmabe4186]

Here's hoping! The Tories have lost their way.

[@anthonyclegg1511]

They will be destroyed anyway, regardless of Farage. 🤡.

[@aleccap5946]

TORY is not the problem its Islamic Muslim loving Labour

[@Fredric_Cedrich]

@@richardmabe4186nope. This is what they’ve always been. The only thing they’ve got lost in is their hubris

[@richardmabe4186]

Todays Conservative party is not a Conservative party. They should find a new name. Ideas anybody?

[@anonUK]

None that are printable.

[@grahamwall9294]

Wet Wet Wet?

[@riffraff9506]

BNP

[@talkCRYPT0]

Reform 🤣

[@Puffball-ll1ly]

Yes they were right all along ​@riffraff9506

[@running4fun863]

Nigel Farage is really going to be thete to intimidate by questioning the Policies and Stratigies of both the parties , ripping them apart , this will be very interesting to watch.

[@harrylightfoot2004]

Do you seriously see Nigel Farage performing in a setting like Parliament? He will fold immediately when he can’t shout over others

[@andresmit9384]

Not intimidate, educate.

[@celtshaun1427]

@@harrylightfoot2004 I think if he can shut down a Brussels debate he can control the muppet's in Westminster, You need to get out more you have obviously no idea if you think Nigel Farage will fold in a Westminster debate, It's akin to going from the lions den to tending to two infighting kittens. 😜

[@chickenmadness1732]

@@harrylightfoot2004 The European parliament is far bigger than the British Parliament lol. He will have a much easier time as the opposition leader.

[@matthewv4170]

​@@harrylightfoot2004he was in the European parliament for years

[@jacquelinekingdom2040]

I have been disgusted how the tories have behaved in parliament..how they infight..they are dispicable how they behave..more concerned for themselves than the country

[@JackGreen-gh6sw]

So vote reform

[@derekcrompton1581]

Bang on that

[@derekcrompton1581]

Bang on that

[@SlavaUkraini-g1k]

Over eight and a half million economically inactive people in the UK. 21% of the age group 16 to 64. We do not need more immigrants, we need to incentivise these people to work.

[@johnnymacfadyen7845]

Sounds great..... but if you force/coerce these people into work productivity would go down the pan. There's a reason why immigrant workers have traditionally been favoured; they are willing to work.

[@SlavaUkraini-g1k]

@@johnnymacfadyen7845 Yes we need to inculcate a work culture in the economically inactive whenever we can. We do not want to put people onto the scrap heap of unemployment/inactivity,.

[@peterwillson1355]

A huge percentage of immigrants are unemployed, or their living is heavily subsidised by the taxpayer​@johnnymacfadyen7845

[@matthewv4170]

​@@johnnymacfadyen7845yes we would be fucked with Uber eats deliveries. Get a grip

[@CapoKabar]

Couldn’t have said it better. “British politics, this week, changed for good”.

[@UKMGTOW-mh4ij]

Reform UK 2024! Good riddance to the CONservative party!

[@footube3]

So authoritarian is what Marr calls when we have leaders who listen to the people, but democratic and civilised is what he calls it when we have parties who ignore the electorate.

[@limbothytimothy]

Marr is very specifically talking about how Farage obtained his position as leader of Reform UK here. He basically booted Tice out as leader and took his place. No vote took place.

[@footube3]

@@limbothytimothy, no he's not, he uses the term "populist authoritarian", which is itself an oxymoron, because what populist actually means (not the fake term of derision) is genuinely democratic (listening to the people), so how can that be equated with authoritarianism (rejection of democracy). Marr is just another globalist liberal, redefining words to keep the power in the hands of the managerial class (mostly middle and upper classes).

[@Vacaiable]

Authoritarian, extreme right wing etc: Just policies the BBC and other communist organisations don't like. Marr has no interest in democracy.

[@charleswhitfield8915]

Yeah agree - the self congratulatory “liberal” elite personified.

[@briansteele2723]

The electorate were conned into Brexit, so should have done their own due diligence on that crock of lies

[@marktregear5776]

It's simpler than that. The first past the post system has simply allowed the Conservatives to ignore their electorate - until now.

[@paulinnanjing]

Farage cannot win in first past the post. He only wins under proportional representation with party lists of candidates you cannot choose by name.

[@paulwells4372]

Tories Out! Labour Out! and ReformUK 🇬🇧 IN!!!!!

[@grahamcox4486]

You’re clearly mad!

[@paulwells4372]

@@grahamcox4486 lol No definitely not mad, I think a change is needed, anyway sadly Labour we probably win but more importantly the conservatives party will hopefully just fade away.

[@paulwells4372]

@@grahamcox4486 Vote Reform Uk 🇬🇧 Vote For Nigel. We're only making plans for Nigel We only want what's best for him We're only making plans for Nigel Nigel just needs that helping hand And if young Nigel says he's happy He must be happy He must be happy He must be happy in his world We're only making plans for Nigel He has his future in a British steel We're only making plans for Nigel Nigel's whole future is as good as sealed, yeah And if young Nigel says he's happy He must be happy He must be happy He must be happy in his world Nigel is not outspoken but he likes to speak And loves to be spoken to (in his world) Nigel is happy in his world (in his world) Nigel is happy in his world (in his world) We're only making plans for Nigel We only want what's best for him We're only making plans for Nigel Nigel just needs this helping hand And if young Nigel says he's happy He must be happy He must be happy He must be happy in his world We're only making plans for Nigel We only want what's best for him We're only making plans for Nigel Nigel just needs this helping hand We're only making plans for Nigel He has his future in a British steel Steel, steel, steel, steel, steel, yeah We're only making plans for Nigel Nigel, Nigel, Nigel, Nigel Nigel, Nigel, Nigel, Nigel Nigel, Nigel, Nigel, Nigel Nigel, Nigel, Nigel, Nigel

[@mikecuggy9018]

Reducing immigration isn't about 'stopping black and brown people...'Andrew, it's about strain on the NHS, dental care, housing etc. You shouldn't be playing the racist card to belittle our concerns.

[@NettiGaming]

100%

[@oitoitoi1]

that's because of 14 years of chronic underfunding. the NHS is literally run by immigrants.

[@oitoitoi1]

Farage literally campaigns using racist and fascist language and nothing else. If you support him you support those. There's good reason he's trying to win the 2nd oldest and least educated constituency in the UK.

[@Soul_of_a_Robot]

That strain is down to funding more than anything else. It's quantifiable fact.

[@Soul_of_a_Robot]

​@@NettiGamingnah.... 5% at best

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I have emailed my conservative MP 7 times over the last 2 years without reply. On my eighth email I said "as you have ignored my previous 7 emails I am now emailing you to inform you I will be voting 'Reform' in the next election". I received a reply within a few hours. TOO LITTLE TOO LATE.....

[@BenJ2020]

Same with mine you get an answer from her poor assistant straight in for a photo op though.

[@chuck1804]

Lol. Nice one

[@wally9391-p8c]

Nigel Farage recognises that people have lost trust in westminster

[@allthatchas]

He doesn't just recognise it, he fuels it, and rejoices in it.

[@carelgoodheir692]

@@allthatchas That is the Right's strategy, worldwide. Tell people that everyone in politics has been lying to them, not to believe anything they've heard from usual sources, etc. When people are as disillusioned as the Far Right it tells them, "We are the ones that told the truth, now trust us and hand us power!"

[@Geffo555]

He recognises an opportunity to be centre stage again. And his Trump job hasn't worked out.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

Still collects his EU parliament pension though…

[@GorgeDawes]

Losing trust is exactly what Falange’s paymasters want to happen.

[@herb9838]

Can I just say how cute and cool it is to see three generations of journalists working together in the spirit of camaraderie and mentorship? All you guys at the new statesman slap

[@Soul_of_a_Robot]

Slap? You'll be saying Diddy next Have a word with yourself

[@alst4817]

Wait, 3 generations?! Really?😂

[@daisyhobbs7500]

Do all their families know each other?

[@jsbarretto]

This is by far the best and most insightful way to keep up with election news, I really enjoy this format.

[@mikedudley4062]

Mass Migration is costing the country not adding to the country. Mass low skilled immigration has suppressed wages, and also as a result has grown government subsidizes through working benefits, so the public is being drained of taxes and drained of growth. So much so the over 50s the top 10% who pay 54% of taxes are retiring early, rather than pay high taxes, the tax has run out and i predict it will now continue to fall until the bloated state is cut from 47% of GDP back to 35% of GDP.... Socialism makes you poorer because the only people that contribute tax in surplus are the Top 10%.

[@JackGreen-gh6sw]

Even if u have skilled immigration, in these numbers it will still hurt the economy. Uk infrastructure can't support this.many people. Nhs, GP, housing, roads,

[@Morganasnotarobot0]

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[@Morganasnotarobot0]

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[@mikedudley4062]

@@Morganasnotarobot0 it needs business leadership that understands management and basic business principles of accountancy, investment and efficiency and effective working business, the UK plc is a business and we squander hard earned money on poor investment and terrible returns... Politicians are the least capable at delivering a good economy because they want to win votes, not deliver what they need to deliver for a better country. Maybe next time I'll stand, but people need to listen to the truth and understand reality, not ideology

[@Morganasnotarobot0]

CriKeys Just wander if full frontal soon Geez if there's not much left in coffers, hopefully the coffers will bounce back! Expotentialy in A Far Brighter 🎉🔆🎉Better Good ways!

[@Greenmanfromspace]

It’s the working class vote that both parties are terrified of…finally

[@larsO204]

Farage is just the conservatives but worse

[@freedomfromcocktailjabs]

A Vote For REFORM is A Vote For BRITAIN

[@andyhurrell]

I could never vote for a party that argues that "immigration is good for the UK". Everyday observation tells us the opposite - it's a luxury we can't afford.

[@JackGreen-gh6sw]

Nobody would have voted for it to begin with if asked. It was forced upon us by the elites

[@anthonyclegg1511]

It's game over anyway. Regardless of Farage. 🤡.

[@kincaidwolf5184]

You can't Barrage the Farrage

[@StratsRUs]

Fashage

[@JackGreen-gh6sw]

Fage yoghurt

[@daviddenham1511]

The simple difference is Farage has a backbone…..the others don’t

[@SlowhandGreg]

The Foghorn of ignorance got you to vote for a hard Brexit which has driven migration through the roof ENJOY

[@soapfan2700]

This is exactly it, I’ve not seen such balls since Maggie.

[@Ariadne_Oliver]

And he supports children and womens safe spaces.

[@spenhaywood1526]

I think they are totally under estimating the support Reform will get from the older end of the Labour vote. It is not just conservative voters who are fed up with the way our country is being managed. If you love our Country Vote Reform!!

[@neilgriffiths6427]

1:50 Macron, old boy, Macron. I'm sure French commentators were saying much the same thing - until Macron destroyed forever the old conservative party of France...

[@thewaxbiscuit]

I really do hope that this puts the nail in the Tory coffin.

[@auxiliary4023]

Reform Reform Reform!

[@Numbnuts-]

We should have" Fantasy Politics " Douglas Murray as Culture Minister, Martin Lewis as Finance Minister , Paul Burgess as Climate Minister , ++++

[@indianairlines]

No, Douglas Murray for home secretary I think.

[@indianairlines]

Liam Halligan Chancellor of the exchequer.

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I think 'commentators' underestimate how many Labour voters will vote for Farage....

[@jackdubz4247]

Look at the polling. That tells you everything you need to know. Labour going up. The Tories chipped away at by Reform UK Ltd.

[@iainmclaughlan1557]

When I stood for UKIP I definitely got votes from Labour.

[@MikePhillips-pl6ov]

Analysts predicting one Labour voter going to Reform for every six Tory voters going to Reform. They won't close that gap

[@Geffo555]

@@iainmclaughlan1557 How many? And that was when Brexit was still a vote winner. Not many Labour voters will chance Reform. Look how the red wall got shafted last time they went right..

[@PNETriffid]

@@Geffo555 He stood for UKIP, and you think he can count?

[@andybrice2711]

I'm generally quite a cosmopolitan globalist who believes in more open borders. But I think we could quite easily head off that darker nationalism by embracing a more reasonable nationalism. Rather than demonizing all nationalist sentiment as parochial bigotry. Fundamentally it's not unreasonable to believe that a nation state's government should prioritize its own citizens. And that immigration policy should primarily be based on what benefits them, both economically and culturally.

[@jimi2512]

Hear hear! Beautifully put!

[@andybrice2711]

@@jimi2512 Thank you. Of course there is also the argument that a nation state has some moral obligation to share its prosperity and opportunity with those beyond its borders. But there is a balance to be struck in between those two responsibilities. And it’s reasonable to have an open and democratic debate about where that balance is optimal.

[@jackdubz4247]

This is why the people of Scotland should get behind the SNP. Scotland for the Scottish. English out. Welsh out. Irish out.

[@Soul_of_a_Robot]

How do you do that though?

[@MrReadboy]

@@andybrice2711 We are heading towards third world status as it is there won't be any money to distribute. My god what would happen if other countries decide to stop buying our debt. The global south are gaining fast with the help of China and Russia (belt & road initiative).

[@darongardner4294]

Re Nationalise railway,water , infrastructure systems,stop forgien stakeholders and companies from taking the profits and not reinstating money back into the above.If a current or future government can not achive the concerns of the population then a alternative party could come to the fore which could create a unforeseen future.

[@grahamhall2662]

Carry on Nige you're doing a good job, Tories out forever.

[@diddybopper2052]

1:31 Tories yet again trying to blame Farage for what THEY have done. The Tories have killed themselves, no one else. What they did by installing Rishi against the members’ wishes was their own coup de grace.

[@Soul_of_a_Robot]

It's funny isn't it. Tories are talking about Labour. Farage is talking about the tories meanwhile... Labour are out there spreading the message and playing it safe. The tories and Farage appeal only goes as far as the most hateful and populist driven voter. Absolutely made for each other

[@gerardmackay8909]

Err the least said about the ‘members wishes’ the better. Members got the Tories Truss and Labour Corbyn. The sooner we go back to MPs deciding leaders the better.

[@Nick.Martin.]

The MP s who chose Sunak were elected. The members were not. Let the MPs decide, not grannies and granddads.

[@gerardmackay8909]

@@Nick.Martin. Absolutely 💯

[@diddybopper2052]

@@gerardmackay8909nothing wrong with truss. I’m not a fan of snobs who hate democracy.

[@flashtheoriginal]

Hmmm New Statesman; an unashamed left-wing organ. I viewed this session with interest and was able to see through the bias. This was actually a fairly balanced discussion, I was pleasantly surprised.

[@Janece-ft2mx]

Wasn’t shoved anywhere. Tice knew and accepted Farage is Reform.

[@MikeDelaney-ie4je]

I'm looking forward to Nigel Farage being asked about the Reform Party's policy on support for Ukraine. Will Farage commit to backing Ukraine or will he back his friend's Trump's vendetta against Ukraine? I fear i will be waiting in vain for an answer.

[@oitoitoi1]

the bbc will never ask him

[@dmack1021]

He would have to extract his tongue from Trump's backside before he could answer.

[@Geffo555]

An excellent question. Though we all know the answer.

[@sabejreid2072]

Israel has a right to defend herself until Hamas is defeated totally. the UK and USA must get back on their feet.

[@andresmit9384]

Since when has Trump have a vendetta against Ukraine? Are you a bot?????????

[@YvonneOldfield]

General public can see through waffle. Reform the way forward.

[@saz4484]

Stop the boats, no more illegal migrants. Hope Reform does well and eventually comes to power

[@DylanSargesson]

Can we stop calling this Farage's "return"? He never left. He's been actively on the campaign trail and the media this entire campaign already before he made this announcement about the Leadership.

[@sbalmer132]

What I look forward to is debates between Farage and the other party leaders ,he’ll eat them for breakfast.

[@jackdubz4247]

As a minor party he'll only be debating the Lib Dems and the SNP.

[@edm2189]

It’s not about ‘black and brown’ people migrating to the UK. It’s about rate and numbers of people of all stripes. Though, the values that those people coming are also a concern.

[@graemecreegan6749]

That Andrew believes people are putting immigration so high on their list of priorities due to the optics of emotive images from channel crossers, shows how utterly out of touch he is. Clearly his community has not changed much in the last decade or so, but other people’s have and they have not changed for the better.

[@RobertSimkin]

The lefties are starting to worry

[@martinlawrenson4796]

Reform 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@Rum8146]

You’re seriously worried about MSM fact checking Farage? Have you been asleep since 2014 in terms of fact checking? Do you think it’s been carried out with any efficacy? BTW I am by no way a Farage supporter, but recognise we have a political class that have either embraced the ‘post-truth era’ with opportunistic zeal, or are simply comfortable in taking advantage of a period when it appears to ok to say anything with impunity.

[@shelleyscloud3651]

I hear you. No fan of Farage. But I’ve an equally low opinion of the rest & their media pundits. Quite enjoying watching them deal with the incoming reality & consequences of what THEY’VE DONE TO US.

[@sarahsteeleuk4196]

​@@shelleyscloud3651well, the people supporting farage like me are made up of a wide range of campaigners. The English and the British constitution groups for example, a case of Treason against the crown. Loads ... just normal people like you. Concerned about what going on. Its nigel as an mep is better known as a result. He is our sign to cone together for one objective. Get the power back into our hands. By having local representative everyday people. Not carea politicians. They just represent themselves. You know? Nigel didn't want 20 years being insulted, abused and assaulted. It's a compulsion. We all get it. Our birth right we are fighting for x it's goes beyond politics this game does x ❤ x

[@flashtheoriginal]

Thats an excellent, reasoned observation

[@JackGreen-gh6sw]

All Fact-checking is conducted by extreme left wing associations. The end result being predictable every time. This is why the far right grows year by year. I will be voting reform as I condemn this bias.

[@Geegee-v9y]

Vote REFORM for our country

[@Galacticmaster]

i totally agree the tories are a deceitful, disgrace of a shower. they have shown nothing but contempt for British people.

[@richardcummins5465]

It was always Game Over for the Tories. Farage had little to do with it!

[@maccagrabme]

This is what happens when you listen to a Bond Villian over your own citizens.

[@RayleighBoy]

Reform is the only hope this country has

[@jeremymanson1781]

In that case we're screwed 🤢

[@tonyfairey7733]

​@@jeremymanson1781if labour gets in we're screwed If the Tories get in we're screwed. If lib dem gets in , god help us. If the greens get in, ditto. Let's try something different. Vote Reform!

[@jeremymanson1781]

@@tonyfairey7733 you vote Reform by all means

[@Geffo555]

They are just a more extreme version of the Tories. So that is just more of the same but worse.

[@DavidEdwards-e6m]

Vote for the Reform Party Vote for Nigel Farage Vote to complete Brexit!!!

[@Stoddardian]

If migration is good for growth than why haven't we seen a lot of growth?

[@Jaaj2009]

Freddie, thankyou for making the point that there is plenty of money in the UK. I'm sick of the media simply accepting the line that there is no money to be raised.

[@Maxste-qy6pf]

Reform are going to shock the vote for sure everyone I've spoke to says reform

[@8ofwands300]

Hey fellow American viewers, imagine pundits, reporters, politicians having an intelligent, articulate discussion like this wherein all participants are provided time to speak and no-one interrupts each other or calls each other names? 😳

[@TomCamies]

These lot are all leftists, of course they all agree with each other.

[@rustynail1194]

Parliament used to be more like this. Now they all just shout at each other. We aren't exactly any better than the Americans.

[@daraorourke5798]

Well yes ....but tv and radio discussions can be shouting chaos in Ireland and UK too

[@DavidEdwards-e6m]

Simply displaying British values, this is what is being lost with multiculturalism.

[@1violalass]

@@DavidEdwards-e6m We Brits didn't know how to shout and argue until furriners came along?

[@stevebell6057]

I wouldn’t count my chickens quite so soon - look at what has just happened in India, polls were miles out.

[@quinnnewman9538]

U know that is totally fair but the difference is that the bjp were already in government and were presumed winners and the bye elections since 22 have been universal tory losses

[@colincampbell4261]

Huge country India.

[@tyler6539]

Their population is also 1.4 billion and consists of states larger than our entire country including small rural communities that likely aren't polled

[@Pemmont107]

Or perhaps there's foul play involved? Modi isn't exactly known for advocating fairness in his democracy.

[@azc261]

@@Pemmont107are you saying modi rigged the election against himself and the polls?

[@norestforthewicked2193]

VOTE REFORM UK 🇬🇧 👍

[@snowyowel7961]

I hope for the sake of our country our children grandchildren and future generations of English people i hope to god starmer doesn't get into number ten seriously keep labour OUT.

[@photoman3579]

VIVA REFORM

[@sarahsteeleuk4196]

MAGA_UK ❤ 4th July 2024 🇺🇲 Vote for Reform 🇬🇧

[@محمدحاجغافور]

I am voting Reform. Reform all the way.

[@Stéphane_Barbey]

I don't think there is any coldness between Tice and Farage. I didn't read that in their body language. However, it is a clear that moving out of the way for Farage, has made Tice a master tactician and a genius for recognising that he doesn't have the shoulders, nor the name (words of Andrew Marr) to carry the party. But in staying Chairman, he can pull the strings, whiles Farage delivers.

[@LewisSkeeter]

Quite. They like to imagine dissent between Tice and Farage. There isn't any. Tice has been begging Farage to take his rightful place.

[@jackdubz4247]

Do you buy copium in bulk?

[@SamSamSamSamSam]

Spectator journo's all said they thought Tice looked relieved to not have to be the front-man taking all the flak lol. It's in the eye of the beholder I suppose.

[@MikePhillips-pl6ov]

Yes. Tice wants Reform to do well, and he knows no-one will boost it more than Farage.

[@sarahnewton2550]

I despise Nigel Farage but if they poll more votes than the Conservative Party it will be the bloody nose they deserve. We deserve a credible opposition that doesn’t lie continuously. The Tories are a deceitful shower - I agree with Nigel there.

[@fezfez]

why does nobody discriminate between chistian immigrants (good) and muslim immigrants (obv. bad).

[@antoniopalmero4063]

The numbers coming in Lorries to the UK illegally were never revealed , and social media has expanded massively from those days .

[@Tom_murray89]

The tories are done for

[@mikebryan544]

Five points about Farage; 1, understands normal peoples concerns 2, genuinely cares about our country 3,runs rings round normal politicians who are stiff and socially awkward 4, not afraid to discuss tough subjects 5, never loses his argument by only stating what is correct 5A😂, respects and can still communicate with people who disagree with him, unlike our elite politicians and commentators. I COULD GO ON…

[@Teasehirt]

Voting Reform U.K.

[@JackGreen-gh6sw]

I've voted Labour for 19 years, now I'll be voting REFORM

[@dennis9401]

GOODBYE socialist Tories!!! Welcome TRUE conservatives!!! Farage / Reform 2024!!!

[@sabejreid2072]

AGREE Sunak is in league with the awful deceitful Marxist Obama.

[@donaldbie8481]

How can you get a better NHS if you get more people in the system?

[@stuartcg123]

How dare you ask about fact checking! Labour and Conservatives almost never say any thing truthful but nobody ever assumes the need for fact checking.

[@sabejreid2072]

AGREE

[@celtshaun1427]

The two main party's do not necessarily lie but the talk is definitely made with fork tongue and false promises and has been going on for 20 years, The two main party's are damaged goods just look at all the infighting of both as they cannot even agree on their own respective manifesto's probably due to all the false promises so no one MP actually knows from one minute to the next what the actual strategy is, It's a bit like running Parliament through a network of Chinese whispers and the true path forward is blinded with smoke and mirrors.

[@stephaniebarker9244]

I have always voted for the conservatives but I am definitely voting for Nigel Farage. I love how he answers every question without waffling on. Can't take to just starker who spends more time bitching about Fishy than explaining how he is going to smash the gangs.

[@christopher9727]

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

[@dougtsax]

We still want cheap labour instead of paying proper wages.

[@roberthornbrook8374]

But there are true believers in the conservatives many are left wing not right wing. Reform are the real conservatives

[@janeknight3597]

Social Care. Pensioners ( inc me) need to pay NI. We need to put NI back up ( it should never have been reduced ). I know this will not add enough money but it is the principal. You are correct we need to be told the truth.

[@jyap22]

Good point. Ed Davey is totally selfish! NI is pretty much bankrupt. The government is broke. Luckily, the Lib Dem will never be in power. I only hope Labour can be sensible when in power.

[@Soul_of_a_Robot]

What they should do is consider investing the money in the state pension pot and make money from it. Other countries do it. Canada invest theirs in our water companies while our pensioners struggle to pay their water bills etc... There's money lying around all obmver just ready to be plucked from the tree but, for some reason, our government are loath to go for it

[@SlavaUkraini-g1k]

Our economy is not too small. The population is too large. Gross domestic product per head of population is the figure that matters. We need higher levels of productivity, not millions more low skilled jobs.

[@walterking5453]

You should be talking about houses young people they can’t afford them and they’ll definitely never get a council house. They have destroyed the country and the future of the country labour and conservative. We need to drain the swamp and we definitely needed now change is coming thank God.

[@Soul_of_a_Robot]

Did you type that with your face?

[@dallysinghson5569]

You think the current voter base which is predominantly house owning and rent their properties are going to want a change? Hell naw, they like this. Young gen are stuffed.

[@margaretvennettsmith7613]

She is thick Farage will reform our rubbish mps as he understands what the people want

[@sabejreid2072]

AGREE

[@144851102]

Yes

[@deanroberts2021]

One thing I get from all of the middle & upper middle class commentators on immigration is we need it to keep wages down . There seems to be a huge acceptance in the ruling class that the poor working classes should stay poor for the benefit of the country. Establishment parties & commentators really come across as having real contempt for lower paid workers & quickly dismiss any hope of higher wages & improvement in there lives & just shout for more cheap workers from abroad.

[@andybrice2711]

Well, it is a trade-off. Migrant labour makes work more affordable. But yes, also undercuts local wages. If we could just be honest about that, then we could debate whether the trade-off is worth it. And help locals stay ahead, either by up-skilling, or through some sort of tax structure which prevents them being undercut too aggressively.

[@deanroberts2021]

​@@andybrice2711 basically accepting that the poorest should remain poor for the benefit of their "Betters" Social Mobility is so poor in this Country because governments choose to keep it that way.

[@andybrice2711]

@@deanroberts2021 Not always. Sometimes those people who have their wages undercut also personally benefit from more affordable goods and services.

[@SamSamSamSamSam]

@@andybrice2711 Whether the trade-off is worth it is borne out in productivity statistics

[@XstaticState69]

Join Reform UK. Vote Reform UK. We Brits will take London and Great Britain back for future generations of White Christian Brits. Rule Britannia!

[@JackGreen-gh6sw]

Well said

[@billcaldwell395]

Please make a clear distinction between legal and illegal immigration. Illegal immigration makes people angry.

[@eggsistentialdread]

So just make all immigration legal and the problem is solved?

[@JackGreen-gh6sw]

Can we just let in 10milliom people a year. I want my local NHS waiting area to look like Africa

[@sabejreid2072]

AGREE

[@charlescooney9217]

Terry Pratchett's "...be careful what you wish for, you don't know who's listening..." seems to fit the situation; sadly.

[@timdunn2344]

That young chap is a bright spark...

[@psycho8927]

The others are too old, still stuck in the old blue and red bollocks.

[@mickaparrish]

Please help me to understand why anybody is even considering voting Labour or Conservative in this election, IF you love this country, IF you can see that the level of immigrating is undermining our infrastructure our NHS our standard of living, (think I exaggerate try to find a NHS dentist), If your scared of the imminent massive tax hike's that are coming our way, You only have one choice vote REFORM ignore the left wing dominated media, open your eyes look around we all can see what's happening, wakeup, step-up help to stop this madness, vote REFORM

[@adrianwhyatt594]

A National Health and Social Care Service is needed, funded centrally (except where Health is devolved).

[@squizza28]

It doesn't work as there's waste everywhere. But it's a sacred cow and you're not allowed to say anything against it.

[@caerleon87]

We had that until the tories enacted the 1990 NHS and community care act

[@JackGreen-gh6sw]

Adrian, what's the point if a million immigrants are gonna come here each year and freeload from it? How is that sustainable? Elephant in the room left wingers don't want to talk aboit

[@ianrobinson5057]

Things can only get shitter with kier. I am terrified.

[@gchecosse]

10:03 instead of making a bare assertion, can you explain in what way Le Pen, Meloni, Orban are supposedly to the right of Truss and Sunak, because it's not obvious.

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

They are not. It is lazy media labelling that refers to these leaders and Wilders as far-right. They are nationalist in outlook and against mass immigration. On economics Le Pen s centrist if not on the left.

[@GKupdate14]

Reform all the way. Country needs Nigel

[@cgreat1304]

This woman struggles to hide her hatred for Nigel Farage. Such a shame for someone who’s supposed to be impartial.

[@mikeburke3576]

The only fact checking that needs to be done is on the bbc

[@sabejreid2072]

AGREE

[@DrDanWeaver]

Very much enjoying your coverage, thanks. Andrew's response to Freddy at 2:30 was just a delight; if only our politicians could debate and analyse in such good faith and humour.