Fighter Jet - Formation Landing

Landing two Hawk T2s in formation at RAF Valley narrated by an instructor.
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This video discusses the thinking and decisions that a fast jet pilot has to make during a formation landing.
Listen to a full explanation of what landing in formation in fast jet military aircraft, is all about.
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[@danielcoakley826]

Very therapeutic to watch, made to look easy.

[@RyanJones-vs6qg]

tim more of these would be absolutely amazing !! thank you ever so much :)

[@dan_mills__791]

The coolest video i have watched for a while!

[@dfarro]

Many thanks for taking time to produce and publish these videos. Excellent as always.

[@rolandherrera506]

Just the stuff for flight simmers, thx a bunch

[@jameshunter5899]

I'm not a pilot, an eye injury ruled it out for me but I love your videos Tim keep them coming mate, all the best... Jim

[@anthonykirkham40]

I find all video extremely interesting and well presented . Thank You.

[@richardgoold3306]

Before we moved to Australia I lived near RAF Wattisham, every weekend we would go and watch the lightnings of 56 and 111 Squadron's loved it, plus being from Suffolk you would see RAF, USAF and NATO a/c flying around all the time I miss it so. Living in Melbourne we only get to see the odd RAAF FA-18A classic Hornet, Super Hornet or Hawk most are based up north in New South Wales or Queensland, more so the C-130, C-17 and the KC-40 tanker as they fly into Melbourne International Airport more often then the fighters .

[@assassinez100]

Just discovered your channel this weekend. Very nice quality indeed. Love the next gen Hawk, enjoy seeing them here in South Africa operating for our air force.

[@data790]

I do love these videos. I am an ex-RAF MTD and sadly never served on a UK airfields other than tanker training at Marham. I missed out on the real RAF for my 7+ years.

[@stanleybuchan4610]

Don't worry about it mate. Half the RAF have nothing to do with, or not even interested in, aircraft.

[@data790]

@@stanleybuchan4610 firstly, apologies for the grammar error lol. I missed out but then left and did something else so no regrets. Still, was good for a sprog of 17 to get my head in gear.

[@Keyswiz71]

Great video Tim thanks for posting, the Hawk T.2 seems a great little jet.

[@gabrieldunne0]

Brilliant videos, brilliant explanations, thanks so much :)

[@dsrduff]

LOVE these vids. Always wanted to be a fast jet pilot but was too much of a naughty boy at school. Thanks for posting, please keep them coming. Cheers. And thanks for your service.

[@iaidoman]

Duffer, great comment. Likewise. also spent too long outside the heads office. I joined the army. However. I now "fly" fast jets. with full VR. and OMG. I downloaded a sim called DCS World. (free) and now have quite a few fast movers in my stable. My fav is the F18c and am waiting for the F16 to be released. These ate stand alone modules ,that are "high fidelity" you have a clickable cockpit, that works. look on youtube for Matt Wagner, have a look yourself. I tend to just burn off JP8 when I am not in a good place. and do night carrier landings case 1 and 3. have a look you may like it.

[@symie8]

Excellent. Love watching your vids sir. Thanks.

[@InFlightsim22]

Absolute fantastic video, I hope you can make more of these please

[@jojojes1352]

So interesting, thank you!

[@LucyvanHeide]

Very good. Thank you for sharing this with us.

[@harshalnasery]

Great video, can actually relate the procedures in air

[@squidiebah]

Great video as always Tim

[@tjlto]

Well done Tim. Very informative. Appreciate the detail. Cheers

[@hughjones13]

Fine choice in watches Tim ! lol I have one just like it! Cheers for the videos, I love them. (not bad for a former armourer that now flies !

[@Flamalamx]

Beautiful jet, would love to be able to fly in it one day.

[@deanc.5984]

When I fly my Piper Warrior, im pretending it's a Hawk! Great vid.👍

[@jimbojet8728]

That was good. Thank you.

[@PlaneOldBen]

Really interesting stuff, Tim.

[@Michael-hn5gi]

Excellent wideo!

[@chapterrv]

How did you get these graphics so clear in FSX? There's hardly any lag

[@michaelvantienderen8459]

that isnt fsx lol

[@chapterrv]

@@michaelvantienderen8459 Ahh, so it's X-Plane 11. Makes sense. No wonder the graphics are so nice 😎

[@rxspect3663]

It’s not fsx. This is real life lmao

[@r-mackphotography6424]

lol are you serious dude?

[@chapterrv]

@@r-mackphotography6424 Not at all. Lol. Just being silly

[@johnleigh349]

Happy days at Valley 22 sqd. SAR 1971/74

[@TrainTracker911]

Love your videos. Next best thing to being there. Can't fly anymore due to health reasons. Sure with I could though.

[@robocombo]

Some of the newer content on this channel is hugely important but this is vastly more fun.

[@K1W1fly]

Nice video and really informative narration (Cool Watch too...)

[@WingedSpanner]

Hi Tim. Great video! Perhaps to get the Audio you could convert your HUD video into an mp3 or other file format and overlay it in this video using editing tools.

[@Cleared_To_Land]

I have the CITIZEN eco drive Satellite Wave!!!! Lovely watch... definitely great for pilots. Only thing I don't like is the stop watch is useless. I guess we strap into an aircraft that has a perfectly good one though.. :-)

[@scotthopkins7711]

Love it

[@mikeymarmalade]

Thx very interesting

[@Holliethedog]

I could do that! Gissa job!

[@benjones2270]

Any videos of you heading back via the Mersey? Used to work on the river and it was a common Suprise to see you overhead

[@Mike7478F]

Brilliant Tim. Great commentary. You could do your atc vocal.

[@robertrpenny]

Hi Tim, good video and thanks for putting mil type stuff on here. What co makes that Hawk and I believe it's a trainer only is that correct? Sorry about dumb questions but I'm Cdn and don't see many Hawks or Huds on u tube. Haha. Is that an older tech hud or current version? Comes across a bit sketchy on my iPad. Haha. Maybe you can fly a Tornado or something soon so we can see the difference. Thx again Bob

[@MrKLMFokker]

Hi Tim awesome video very informative! If you happen to go low level in the mach loop between 13 and 23 July let me know, I will return the favor with some photos ;)

[@vidribbin]

Very good...

[@vidribbin]

U lucjy git

[@chrislincoln2273]

I love jets

[@myrddin55]

Nice video Tim. I have a Pulsar watch that needs a little love if that's any use to you ;-)

[@ghostdog4330]

Quality..

[@XIXjlo]

You might need to stop at Autoglass Tim. Your windscreens cracked. When you've done that, can I have a go? Love your videos by the way.

[@RupertU]

Does the leading aircraft need to do anything to keep in formation, or is it the following aircraft that must maintain position and distance? For instance if the lead changes direction , say turning right as in your video how does he communicate intention ... or do you follow rules of air or other protocol?

[@FastJetPerformance]

Rupert Utley the lead aircraft sets a power and then tends to not move the throttle of be doesn't have to. His turns are all just down as normal but with a slower initial roll rate. For configuring with gear and flaps these are called on the radio, if in cloud, or commenced with hand signals if in clear air so that the number two aircraft can prepare for them.

[@TheIceGryphon]

gdlk pilot, nice, nice. you use terms like salty and scrub as well?

[@lexusuk7901]

It's good to actually see the Citizen Eco Drive Skyhawk watch on your arm. I have one of these and it's marketed as a pilot watch. I have the Red Arrows addition and just assumed it was a marketing gimmick. Surprise to see that it's actually a thing. Are they really used by Hawk pilots generally?

[@FastJetPerformance]

Used by many pilots of all types in the military, probably civilian too - some get the titanium version but I preferred the steel.

[@Michael-4]

Navihawk? Nice watch. Is that issue now?

[@Kontojohn_98]

Was that route formation, when penetrating the clouds?

[@ftcadventures7275]

Great video - very informative! What camera do you use and how are you mounting it? Thanks

[@FastJetPerformance]

Go Pro 4 Wideview with some tweaking in the settings.

[@ftcadventures7275]

Ah thanks! Where do you attach it in the cockpit?

[@gzk6nk]

I've always wondered how it is that that massive barn-door airbrake on the Hawk doesn't produce a big nose-down pitch moment. It obviously produces a tons of drag, but it's at an angle that looks like it will also produce loads of extra lift aft of the CG. I presume it doesn't give a pitch-down effect, but how's that?

[@FastJetPerformance]

In relation to the size of the main lifting surfaces of the wing and tailplane, the size of the airbrake is insignificant. There is a very small trim change but not much.

[@gzk6nk]

@@FastJetPerformance Thanks.

[@petervharris]

Why can you not use a visual hand signal for flap when you are in cloud? If you can formate on the lead aircraft in cloud, then you can see it, so you can see his/her hand signals? Not a problem - or it wasn't when I flew Harriers. Maybe when I was on IV(AC) Sqn we were either better or more stupid.

[@jackroster6472]

Probs a generic sortie question, why does gear go down so early in the recovery? Increase in drag = less flexibility to manoeuvre in an emergency? Cheers.

[@FastJetPerformance]

The drag from gear and flaps means a higher power setting is required which helps when flying formation as there is less spool up time from the engine.

[@rnichol22]

Crosswind ?

[@Ronald7077]

I may have missed the reason, but why the wheels down so early?

[@haroldhumerickhouse7904]

Air brake.

[@Ronald7077]

@@haroldhumerickhouse7904 Thanks. Makes sense! Maybe I need to repeat that section LOL

[@robertsneddon4273]

Nice plug for citizen eco drive.

[@FastJetPerformance]

Yes, I wish I had shares in the company.

[@robertsneddon4273]

@@FastJetPerformance Yip me too, I also own lots of these eco drives. Really cool video, commentary was fantastic.

[@xjboy550]

Great video love your stuff but bit confused why the down vote ? was it the jets the sky or do you just hate Anglesey ?

[@FastJetPerformance]

Matthew Rowe probably an error somehow, I'm don't think I'm intentionally going to down vote my own video :)

[@alastairsmith4339]

Matthew Rowe to be fair, who likes Anglesey?

[@jonah2047]

8:24 strong crosswind?

[@FastJetPerformance]

15 knots maximum - also the camera was wide angle so the other jet looks further away than it really is.

[@viggokalman7256]

When do you think that the Hawk T2 will retire and how much will it cost?

[@GuMpAkC]

+viggo kalman 2035 or later is what they're projecting for both the T2 and the T-45C.

[@viggokalman7256]

+GuMpAkC thx

[@bonuslevel112]

I really love your videos, but you talk a little bit fast. My motherlanguage is not english so its hard for me to unterstand everything.

[@bugler75]

Watch it at a slower speed. I do this when I’m watching French or German videos. I hope this helps😊

[@getatmehbro]

Why such a far distance while flying parade through the clouds?

[@FastJetPerformance]

Apologies, yes it was the camera setting, it was incorrect. It's actually very close, about 3 feet, and the formation is called 'echelon'.

[@getatmehbro]

@@FastJetPerformance Gotcha, yea that 3ft is what we fly too. Were you in El Centro recently? Navy has different names.

[@FastJetPerformance]

@@getatmehbro Negative but I have an exchange guy out in Meridian whose a good friend on the Goshawk.

[@getatmehbro]

@@FastJetPerformance ah very cool. There was a group of RAF t2's out there last time I went. Made me jealous that you all can taxi with your canopy open. lol...

[@gopherbar]

Looks like valley hasn’t changed over the years

[@joaquinguzman8315]

Typical Valley weather!

[@Riddim_Squid]

Interesting so you are taught too bjust crab the plane all the way in and kick rudder. Im currently a Private Pilot in US they always taught us rudder into the wind and opposite aileron.

[@FastJetPerformance]

Yes, different on larger aircraft but jets use 'check - kick - close' (check rate of decent, kick of drift, close the throttle) on landing.

[@stratoleft]

Boy, that spoiler is out for quite awhile huh? It looks like your would have been going 500kts. , or whatever, for it to be out that long, with not a real significant loss of altitude it looks like.

[@nvstewart]

Just because the airbrake is out don't presume he is at idle throttle. Also if the airbrake is out and the pilot has the throttle open it is easier for the wingman to maintain position in the formation. Imagine this. You are driving down a motorway at 70mph alongside a friend in another car who is also traveling at 70mph. Your friend slams on the brakes as hard as he can, it would be impossible for you to maintain position with your friend no matter how hard you try and brake (due to your reaction time) and you will end up overshooting your friend and end up in front. Now, imagine the same scenario but instead of slamming the brakes on, he only applies 50% braking force, that gives you extra leverage to be able to stay alongside without too much issue because if you start to overshoot you simply brake more to get the formation back under control. The airbrake on the Hawk is either at 0% or at 100%, there is no in between, so to compensate you use some throttle to make it easier for the wingman to keep his station. Also, in a formation, the lead pilot has to concentrate on being much smoother with his aircraft to aid his wingman, so no sudden attitude, speed or bank changes, needs to be smooth smooth smooth. If the pilot was flying on his own he can be more aggressive at the controls. This is one reason why there is not a 'significant loss of altitude', if the pilot was at idle the descent would be faster with the airbrake out. Another reason why there is not a 'significant loss of altitude' is because the lead aircraft is being controlled by ATC in a controlled manner so that means there is no need to 'dive' and will descend slowly, how you would imagine an airliner to descend. The instructions from the ATC will be giving altitude commands to the pilot at specific times at specific distances for a smooth and controlled decent.

[@MyTROLLEYBUS]

Does he talk that fast all the time even at home?

[@FastJetPerformance]

Yes, he does - most pilots do. Flip it, why do people listen so slowly?

[@f15ssfaisal90]

Number 2 very bad landing