Fat Influencers VS Fit Influencers (My Response)

[@jordyncastelli5693]

"If you're not trying to lose weight I don't know why you'd be watching my videos" bro because you're entertaining asf!!!

[@ObesetoBeast]

Ahah thank you! I should have specified “if you are actively against losing weight”

[@jordyncastelli5693]

@@ObesetoBeast haha that's fair! Fr though your content is awesome and I always look forward to hearing your commentary :)

[@helena4440]

Ahahah right. Also chill and cool vibes all around

[@yeahimashley9515]

@@ObesetoBeast I’m literally trying to GAIN weight but I love your videos!

[@curryascocarrasco4829]

@@ObesetoBeast I'm trying to gain muscle, and if that means I gain weight, I'm all for it (if it's muscle, that is). At the same time, I'm 4'11" around 100 lbs. So it's not gonna hurt me too much to gain some weight in muscle. I love your content btw. I love watching fitness videos. You, Michelle mcdaniel, Greg Doucette, more plates more dates, and others you've talked with/about in positive ways are my faves.

[@Moose92411]

In my mind, the common ground is easy: truth. If you're fit or you're fat, you should promote health. Promoting obesity as healthy and promoting obsession with visible abs are equally unhealthy.

[@timmah7874]

Greg Doucette has a few great videos on the dangers of bodybuilding and the toxicity of health culture, especially on KZbin.

[@Moose92411]

@@timmah7874 he's a fantastic force for inspiration to find the middle ground. I fucking hate the criticism he gets for his past, or his use of PED's, or simply his look. He's a damn good person to watch.

[@timmah7874]

@@Moose92411 once I got over the fact his annoying voice was just a schtick I quickly grew to appreciate him.

[@nighttempest7163]

@@timmah7874 his yelling plus his voice has become music to my ears these days 😂😅

[@timmah7874]

@@nighttempest7163 Awesome work! I’m down about 60 myself, and have another 50-60 to go. Greg gives good advice that’s grounded in science but also is applicable. Before watching him I thought he was going to be entitled and abrasive, but he’s really a solid champion for CICO and practical behavioral modification when it comes to diet and nutrition.

[@Montana677]

Can't wrap my head around that one woman saying she doesn't consider diet a part of health, regardless of your size your diet is a huge part of your overall health

[@timmah7874]

Because it would mean having to take a long hard look at behaviors and that would mean taking personal responsibility. I understand that socioeconomic factors impact what foodstuffs are available, but the type of folks who are able to afford Doordash and fast food every day are able to afford salads and whole fruits-- but they just don't want them.

[@Lolzadoodle8484]

Maybe she meant diet as in keto vegan etc? Diet vs diets had become a syntax/cultural understanding issue

[@dmsjt5181]

I think she means dieting

[@Montana677]

@@dmsjt5181 yeah she might have meant that tbf.

[@carochan86]

To me it's less about a " diet" and more of a lifestyle change.

[@sabrinad9303]

I was fat shamed as a kid and skinny shamed as a woman. I would say the difference is that when people skinny shame you they sound like they consider you some kind of poor victim, as if your choices were not the reason why you are skinny. On the other hand, when they fat shame you they make you feel guilty and gross for the way you look: your fatness is the consequence of your lack of self control and laziness

[@goldenapple3952]

I feel like skinny shaming and fat shaming share the condecending concern but fat shaming comes from disgust and skinny shaming comes from jealousy (usually) . As a skinny person i'd always get comments on how i look, they didnt bother me as much since it wasnt downright bullying like fat people get but it still made me uncomfortable when people do it cause something about it just feels so dehumanizing?? I dont really know. Lets just not comment on people's appearances.

[@slimecorn]

Fat shaming made me feel like shit. Skinny shaming just reminds me that I've reached my goals lol.

[@springchicken2513]

This isn't always true. I have a friend who is naturally very petite. She's 5'4 and maybe MAYBE 95 pounds. I have seen people speak to ger with absolute disgust because of how small she is, like she has any control over any of it. She doesn't have the appetite of a woman my size obviously, I'm 5'7 and 160 pounds, we have different caloric needs yet people act like she should be consuming just as much if not more than me because she's "disgustingly thin" in their eyes. Fat shaming is terrible and damaging but so is skinny shaming.

[@eff0_o]

yessss

[@ramcharge2704]

I was fat shamed in school when I was medium sized but with in a healthy BMI. When I got day no one said a damn thing except my husband ( just being concerned not an asshole). No matter what shaming is wrong come to someone with concern not a place of hate or jealousy.

[@whiterabbit1975]

Going from a size 30 to a size 14 and still getting fat-shamed is really sucky. Plus it puts you in the NOT fit category but also the NOT obese category so you get it from both sides. My larger friends say I have an eating disorder because I refuse to eat out all the time or eat certain foods and then my fitter friends think I should be into the gym. I'm never going to like the gym. Hiking? Sure. Taking long walks? Sounds great. The gym, "no way, they give me automatic anxiety."

[@marianalikethetrench]

I went through the same thing, and I hate hearing "you don't know what it's like" and you're like "trust me, I do" and then you're told "but you're not living that life NOW so your opinion doesn't count"

[@whiterabbit1975]

@@marianalikethetrench yep, all of this.

[@LnzMQ]

Yeah I’m size 14/16 right now and I’m not curvy at all so I just feel like I don’t fit anywhere 😑 Currently on my own weight loss mission and it’s hard but it’s been giving me some much needed empowerment

[@Moose92411]

I want to slap the shit out of people who conflate not eating out regularly with having an eating disorder. It's beyond ignorant.

[@Moose92411]

@Rachel Forshee can I ask why you have anxiety in the gym? Could I convince you that 95% of the people who see you in the gym will be fully supportive and encouraging of your choice to be there?

[@chocho7212]

“If you’re not trying to lose weight I’m not sure why you’re watching my videos” actually I’m recovering from a restrictive ED, and your opinions about health and food comforts me when I’m scared of food! Keep doing what ur doing John!

[@FronteirWolf]

Same, but I definately want to lose weight, it wouldn't be healthy to though.

[@eloiselogue]

agree! same

[@stacyq7656]

I know you can lose weight based on nutrition only, but walking is highly underrated.

[@ObesetoBeast]

Fax

[@lozellen]

Absolutely! I love to walk

[@TheMightyOdin]

Re…..Spect……Walk!

[@CSTEnjoyer]

Absolutely. Like just walking 10kms per day burns sooo many calories

[@sapphirewright6258]

So true. I started to pay attention to my posture with it and pull my diaphragm in. It's so awesome!

[@AshleyNicole-ct7gh]

I want to give that guy a hug… Also about skinny shaming… after my daughter was born I suffered with extreme postpartum depression and lost a LOT of weight. I was sick. And people would make remarks that I looked like a skeleton, eat a sandwich, I even had someone accuse me of using drugs. It was hurtful. It’s still people feeling that they have a right to comment about your body because it doesn’t look the way they want it too.

[@taylorhillard4868]

Yeah. Personally I'd say skinny shaming is just as bad, if not worse than fat shaming. At least fat people have a large group of people supporting them. Skinny people don't. And I'm not talking about fit shaming, a fit body is not skinny. Skinny means underweight, like an*rexic or "heading that way" And people are ruthless with that stuff. They have absolutely no filter and no remorse. If people think Tessa Holiday gets it worse than Eugenia Cooney they're delusional.

[@kiascanvas]

I don't know what's worse, but when people skinny shame they don't think they're bullying... Like if I said "you're fat" in return they would be offended, but I'm not allowed to be offended bc it's a backhanded compliment

[@taylorkeith7555]

Really agree with your comment about Tyler and how he did an amazing job of sharing his thoughts and feelings without invalidating anyone else’s feelings or experiences. This is a skill we are capable of learning and if we did, there would be far less polarizing topics out there.

[@violetheise4717]

It was a pretty big oversight not to invite you and/or Michelle to this, with both of you having been overweight/obese. You guys could speak so well to perspectives on both sides.

[@loryndabenson2118]

Definitely!

[@BoiWonda02]

I kinda agree.

[@TheOneTheyCallTim]

Agree but that wouldn't make "good tv". Producers want extremes for the possibility of drama.

[@cristagalli96]

If people would stop offering unsolicited comments on other peoples' bodies, the world would be a much better place.

[@bbshrimp]

this this this thiiiiiiiiiisssssssss

[@mikanchan322]

yes! Unless it's your job (doctor, bodybuilding trainer, whatever) just.. just don't!

[@timmah7874]

Or as I like to say, "Better to mind what's coming out of my mouth, rather than what's going into other people's."

[@Malzy518777]

right ugh. i have lost weight and people congratulate me and bring it up all the time and it makes me so uncomfortable because I know they’re looking at my body. I literally just want to lose weight without anyone mentioning it at all because I want to do it strictly for my health. like just don’t perceive my body thank you!!!

[@plantpants3746]

Amen

[@Siegbert85]

39:45 "people have been fat since people have existed" Well, that's somewhat of a misrepresentation. People in all of human history have never been as fat as they are now, speaking about the percentage of people as well as the amount of overweight. You won't find a 400 lbs person in 1600 AD. The obesity crisis is very much a product of modernity. Henry VIII might have been close but he was in a somewhat special situation, being king and all.

[@Maryaminx]

You actually might find 400 lb people back then, but they were incredibly rare. I know about monks whose skeletons have been studied and their vertebrae indicate they were very heavy.

[@yothiga]

I imagine people in natural setting should be like a monkey in a jungle. If you are too fat you gonna be too slow and easy to get killed.

[@Siegbert85]

@@booksandtea1989 It's also the Bible... so take it with a grain of salt

[@onegonearm]

If you look deeper into it, weight gain began a little after WW2 once processing, preservatives, and transportation became more advanced and widely use. The world was basically under 10% overweight/obese up until that point. It really spiked in the US in the 80's once the food pyramid was introduce as it was top loaded with fruits(fructose) and grains(carbs/glucose). It was ok for what it was if you were active but TV and video games replaced a lot of what kept us active. After that it was just kind of a slow bleed to where we are at now.

[@unicornalq11]

Important to note that Henry VIII was a fit and athletic youth, and was also tall at 6’2. He was considered very handsome for the time period. He became obese when he sustained a jousting injury which burst a varicose ulcer in his leg and he was made more sedentary.

[@meganoreo1839]

"Intermediate fasting" 😭😭 he a little confused but he's got the spirit

[@thebcwonder4850]

Advanced fasting when?

[@DMp-xp6mj]

I'm so jealous, not of thin people but of people who love and have always loved themselves. I grew up hating myself and i don't know why, nothing very traumatic happened in my childhood but I remember disliking myself since I was little. For me it really is a struggle to love myself, I know I have good traits but still I can't seem to believe that I'm worth it. I always self sabotage, always and it's exhausting.

[@reetta8398]

Difference between fat shaming and skinny shaming is the fact that there was a survey and most people said they rather be dead than live as a fat person 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@a.b.2405]

I would hate to be fat. I thank God for my fast metabolism and my healthy eating habits.

[@reetta8398]

@@a.b.2405 Yeah some of us aren't that lucky and go through severe trauma and the only coping mechanism is food. So it takes years of therapy and trying and failing hundreds of times trying to learn to manage your feeling and not just self soothe and at the same time punish yourself with the cycle of binging and restricting

[@Masokitsu]

@@reetta8398 There's two sides to it, a lot of people who are skinny are that way because of trauma as well. I remember being a toddler and watching my mom be constantly obsessed with her weight so I associated it as being the worst thing period - when I put on a lot of weight in high school and I was miserable. Lost it and now I have to force myself to eat, eating is an inconvenience to me and I don't enjoy it. Used to love food, now I find most of it repulsive.. If I could go without eating for days I would (and have in the past)... I'm 95 lbs 5'2 and people say I look healthy, but a year ago I was in the low 80's and I just felt awful, couldn't walk around the block or up a flight of stairs without getting exhausted / feeling faint and I wasn't purposefully calorie restricting. I'm not physically ill or anything according to my primary, idk it's wiring in my brain. I want to put on weight very much, and I try but results are very slow. You can't really judge trauma-based on someone's appearance or size.

[@vickieharris3850]

Reeta..that is so true..because skinny people can layer their weight under clothing..fat people look disgusting in many clothing..and the fact is..most men don't like fat women..the facts is harsh..but there it is.

[@10199730]

Its different when you're super skinny you're whole life and you're bullied since childhood by kids and adults for you're body. All of the things that people say they suffered through as "the fat kid" is the exact same things I went through as "the skinny kid". The word fat was just switched with skinny.

[@leopardshadow333]

This is one of the things that i think is massively ignored in the larger skinny shaming conversation, i think partly due to the word "skinny" to a lot of people means "straight size". But the people who experience skinny shaming tend to be smaller than straight size, and its wildly different experiences between the two vague categories. Plus anyone who thinks you cant experience medical disregard for being obviously underweight has clearly never been blown off by doctors who assume they must be drug addicts.

[@10199730]

@@leopardshadow333 absolutely and idt its appropriate in any way to say one experience is worse than the other. Being bullied and shamed for how your body looks, fat or skinny, especially for those that experience it all through childhood, is so emotionally and mentally damaging.

[@YuniX2]

I have a friend with a gastrointestinal disorder, people give her dirty looks all the time and tell her she needs to stop being anorexic. She has the additional impact of having to navigate needing accommodations for her chronic illness in addition to getting judgement when trying to get hired. Mention you need accommodations? Don't get hired because you need special rules. Don't mention it? Don't get hired because they think you're anorexic. I feel like no one in this video knows what skinny shaming actually is.

[@carol127v]

@@leopardshadow333 i grew up hating myself for being fat because i was bullied, and i've met people who grew up hating themselves for being too skinny because they were also bullied, so it does annoy me that people deem being bullied for being skinny as something not as hurtful as being bullied for being fat bc that's just not how it works

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@leopardshadow333 Straight size is not a thing and to suggest people who aren't straight are the only fat people is black and white thinking. Especially since straight people are the majority and make the most number of fat people.

[@kevind4383]

It's still somewhat frustrating to hear that some people seem to genuinely believe that skinny people are people who can eat whatever they want and stay thin in the process. I realize it's a self-defense mechanism of sorts, but it completely minimizes the people who remain thin because they happen to be cognizant of what their energy needs are and what they need to do to achieve a balance. If I started matching the ideal maintenance calories for the woman sitting on the left, I'd eventually end up bicycling my legs into a fine powder in the effort to avoid weight gain.

[@okok-tf1su]

i totally agree i lost a ton of weight and the most important part was literally rewiring my brain and my relationship with food. "Eating whatever you want" varies immensely from person to person and is a horrible measure of someone's eating habits, in that past eating what i wanted meant 2000 cals of taco bell at midnight in one sitting, but now it means something different entirely. I think most people eat what they want because that's the only way any diet (whether for weight loss or just in general) works is if you want to eat the food and i think it's really harmful the way people act like eating what you want while maintaining good health isn't for everyone because it definitely is

[@dirgniflesuoh7950]

People pass through a stage when they are thin and eat whatever they want. That is some people pass it, some do not, and some stay in it for very long.

[@ewitsalison]

I initially got frustrated hearing that as well. However, I thought about it for a bit, and how I interpret it is they wish they could be someone who can just live and eat whatever they want and not worry about gaining weight or becoming overweight. Even skinny people who track everything wish to be this way. So "eating whatever they want and staying thin" is more so just eating whatever they want and not having to worry about their weight. At least I think that may be a more understandable way to view it!

[@phosphenevision]

@@dirgniflesuoh7950 apart from extreme metabolic exceptions and other health issues, most people who go through that phase are just unaware of how active and how much they actually ate when "they never gained weight" often they were just highly active people, like either doing sports or working a physical job, and just eating adequately to their energy expenditure without focusing on it, but then they stop their sport, switch to a less physically active job, and the same amount/type of food is too much now but they don't change it accordingly to their new lifestyle, or they go through something and start to eat more food to compensate for stress/tiredness (both make our bodies literally hungrier and hold onto fat more)

[@dirgniflesuoh7950]

@@phosphenevision I know, the ones I have met were young men, and well one older, but typically this is children who are active, and refuse to eat when they are not hungry. Once people are down byvthe desk and the sofa it usually ends.

[@linamimton7172]

I remember getting fat shamed by my family, friends, doctors. Then I got skinny shamed by my family, and friends. It’s like damn if you do damned if you don’t.

[@fernie51296]

Just focus on being healthy 💪 biggest thing for me when I took up fitness was being able to better enjoy the outdoors.

[@vickieharris3850]

Linamimton..tell your family and friends to go suck an egg...and keep on the slim path..I bet you will outlive many of them. Proud of you.

[@tillyt.y7156]

As a bigger guy who is actively trying not to be fat anymore, I think there is a fine line between being body positive and loving yourself enough to make a major change in your life. I find for myself this could totally just be me, if I am in my own head letting myself tell myself how fat, ugly and disgusting I am I lose the vision of losing weight the challenge has been keeping myself mentally focused. So I try to look at the upsides of my body and the progress I have made rather than always thinking where I am now will be where I am forever. Like I said this is just me I do not want to speak for other people in similar situations.

[@sarahdohring1551]

Yes, this is always what body positive has meant to me. Not loving myself because I'm fat, but loving myself even though I'm fat. Actively trying to be better, but not hating my body along the way.

[@tillyt.y7156]

@@sarahdohring1551 That's great to hear I hope you achieve all your goals you have set for yourself even on the hard days!

[@cami6893]

"Skinny shaming comes from a place of envy" Um what? When I was underweight (disordered eating) I could not wear tight clothes because people would laugh at me. They call you anorexic, that you probably are very superficial because you cannot stand to be fat, that you look disgusting, that no man would wanna touch that. That is NOT a backhanded compliment wtf.

[@mikanchan322]

Ah yes. The "real men want some curves" line -_-

[@timmah7874]

It's a way to abdicate responsibility by setting themselves as an oppressed class due to their obesity. They don't have to be accountable for their words because they're just lashing out at their oppressors, instead of just being an asshole. I learned a while ago that any of us can be an asshole, some of us just can get away with it more.

[@lydiajosephine650]

I think the idea that skinny shaming comes from a place of envy is only applicable in certain situations. I know as a child and teenager who was not skinny (not fat but in comparison to every other girl in my class I was bigger) I took part in skinny shaming because I was envious. It felt like no matter what I did I could never get as small as my female school friends so the next thing for me to do was to put them down to make myself feel better. It's messed up and now that I'm older I really look back and am disappointed that I did that. But like bullying, it almost always stems from insecurity. I was bullied for being bigger which made me insecure. Who would I then target? Skinny people. edited: and to clarify - I only ever skinny shamed those who fat-shamed me. It's still not great, but I would never just out of the blue comment on someone elses body.

[@merburr]

​@@darkcloudsandrainbows3309 Oppression is different than prejudice. Anyone who has a critical education would be able to discern that skinny shaming is not systemic like fatphobia.

[@fatchickinabarn6145]

Self hate is only going to get you so far... It can be a valid starting point, but it is ultimately unsustainable.

[@pixrawr4924]

I want to agree because it's so sad but I actually disagree because there are people in my life who talk lime shit to themselves as motivation and they're very clearly sustaining their goal.. and I really wish they wouldn't personally but maybe there's a line between being utterly cruel to your self and keeping it within a boundary that isn't damaging mental health? I feel from *just this video* the gentleman is quite unrelenting to himself and I hope he finds his balance.

[@FronteirWolf]

Hating my body makes me binge, which is counterproductive.

[@esmee6308]

For what it's worth, you being more and more yourself is why I now watch (or at least listen to) all your videos. I've been subbed for a long time but there is a noticable difference in attitude to me. You're so much more honest and open, you stand behind your opinion much stronger than before, you seem to be able to be much more vulnerable. You've always been inspiring, down to earth and kind but you've grown so much as a person nonetheless in past years. I'm genuinely as impressed by that as by your weightloss.

[@rachelg1496]

I'm 5'1 and a size UK 6 (US 2). Maybe it's about where I live, but being skinny can 100% limit you in terms of finding clothes, especially if you are also short. Yes, you could get a bigger size. But most people don't want to go around looking like they're wearing a tent.

[@carm7518]

Go to France or Italy. Plenty of small sizes

[@rachelg1496]

@@carm7518 As difficult and expensive as finding small sizes in the UK is, moving to France or Italy, sounds a tad more difficult and expensive.

[@stephaniex606]

Opposite end of the standard store size spectrum here, 5'10 and size 16-18 and I found when working in retail management with the sizes that sold out every time was the 6 and the 18, and retail buyers seemed to get less infills of those sizes, and that always baffled me and I found it so bizarre! Sale racks are overflowing with size 10-14 in the majority of shops and I think a lot of availability problems are a buying issue in a lot of stores. Or they just don't bother stocking those sizes. Size 16/18 is currently the UK average dress size apparently so I find it interesting that more stores don't stock the sizes at all, and size 6 is a heavily sought after size for petite women and also young girls who are in between sizes and age ranges. It's a shame fashion and everyday dressing isn't more inclusive and consistent. Hope it gets better for you and me 😂

[@sqoo5]

I went to the doctor's office a few months ago and weighed 305 lbs. I've been the "fat kid" for most of my life, and seeing my weight hit over 300 lbs pushed me to action. I never thought I'd weigh that much, and last I weighed myself before that visit I was around 290 lbs, so the jump kind of just shocked me. In the last two and a half months I've been dieting and working out some, and so far I've lost about 25 lbs while feeling great mentally the entire time. The biggest struggle is obviously not snacking or ignoring the bit of hunger tugging at the back of my mind sometimes, but I've kept my routine and haven't broken it much. I've had a few cheats days, but even on those days I eat maintenance level of calories, so I can still feel good about it the next day.

[@MangoPandaBros]

As a kid I was bullied for being fat aka fat shamed it felt gross. Then as an adult loosing weight being skinny due to medical issues for years I've been skinny shamed by an ex boyfriend. It felt equally gross and added to more body image issues. Legit been told I looked digusting since my ribs showed and look like a holoccast victum by my ex so not coming from envy as some would think just pure hate so I'm exhaused when people brush over skinny shaming.

[@blodhevn2353]

my ribs show on the sides and im slightly overweight. skinny shaming seems to be allowed, fat shaming isnt tho. i see a lot of fat people skinny shaming actually. probably insecure.

[@killerloop66]

This one is a difficult topic... I've never been obese, but I've been chubby because I gained a lot of weight on antidepressants. People already fat shamed me at a normal healthy weight ( which is crazy) but they became really cruel after I became overweight often saying things like I couldn't wear certain clothes because I would look bad , laughing or making jokes when I said I really liked some food/I liked food in general and a lot of other things. It hurt me really deeply , It gave me body dismorphia, I cried and had meltdowns In fitting rooms, and I couldn't say anything to anyone because I was brushed off with" just go the gym" and " just eat less/better" . Then I developed an ED. I already had problems with food ten years ago when I was a teen , this time It was way more severe and I lost a ton of weight becoming skinny. Everyone had just praise for me , I ' ve never been skinny shamed once. I said openly ED stuff to test reactions and not a word, if not support. On the other hand a friend of mine, who was naturally skinny her whole life , has been skinny shamed all her adolescence and has been accused multiple times of having an ED and being picked on because of her thinness . I don't know what to think anymore. I suspect people just love the intentional weight loss because they just love control and policing people's bodies using people who got skinny to shame everyone else and label them as lazy

[@blodhevn2353]

@@killerloop66 are you a guy or a girl? just saying ED can mean different things. ive been obese but not severely obese. im losing weight and as much as people support me, its very often that they comment it isnt needed. for me, as ive read in some of the other comments, the standard for "normal weight" has changed drastically the last 20 years. just because everyone is chubby now. ED as a male could be Erectile dysfunction which can be related to weight for sure. from what i read i would've assumed you are a girl, girls get shamed more for being overweight.

[@MangoPandaBros]

@Rachel Forshee

[@MangoPandaBros]

@Rachel Forshee Sorry that you had to go through such hard times and be in that situation. That is very interesting and a new perspective to me. From time to time I would see this quote on tumblr as a teen long ago saying guys like girls with meat on them not bones which back handed vibes & idk weird/rude but agree it's different. Also even different when you are a guy that's skinny vs muscular/strong type of skinny/lean. Plus maybe its a tad different when you have medical issues that are the cause and treated differently than a skinny person without. sorry rambling on and hope I made sense little out of it recovering from surgery/on antibiotics/pain medicine

[@martaa_k]

I did this hcg diet through my naturopath. It’s called the “one pound a day diet” at the clinic. It is WILD. I had option of injections or lozenge. The day before starting, clients would get free pass to eat whatever and as much as they wanted.. then 23 or 40 days of low calorie (500) diet. But I constantly would slip up and gained a ridiculous amount (more like a pound a day gained 🥲). I still can’t wrap my head around why injecting myself with a pregnancy hormone sounded like a good idea to me???

[@sbs1373]

I did the HCG diet back in high school, but it was oral drops rather than injections, but still a 500 calorie diet and NO ONE thought anything of me losing 25 pounds in a month 😳 Crazy unhealthy. Really screwed me up in my adult life too.

[@miekekuppen9275]

Let me guess: they weighed you AFTER that last day binge and made that the official starting weight they compared your early-morning-empty-bladder-and-guts end weight to?

[@TheMightyOdin]

@@miekekuppen9275 Exactly what I was thinking as well.

[@OrlandoUltraRunner]

40 days of eating 500 calories (and likely less let’s be real if the diet is “good” at 500 wouldn’t it be “great” at 400?) is so absurd to me. How can one even get out of bed?

[@mayaw.4013]

You have some of the best looking merch I’ve seen tbh. I genuinely think I’m gonna buy some lol. Keep up the dope clothes, my dude!

[@ObesetoBeast]

Thank you 🥺

[@curryascocarrasco4829]

I'm not, nor have I ever really been on a weight loss journey that involved me altering my diet (I just worked out more to handle my "freshman 15" in college). HOWEVER, my dog has been on a weight loss journey. He used to be like 22 lbs max as a mini pin, and now he's down to 13.2 lbs. Vet just told us he doesn't need to lose anymore weight. We never calorie counted for him, just gave him more vegetable and pumpkin, and less dry dog food and snacks. Now that we've been told to have him maintain his weight, I'm afraid how that's gonna go. It took him a year to lose the weight. He's 16 years old. I love him so much 😭

[@WorldWideWonder360]

I love watching your videos and your journey of losing weight and becoming healthier is really inspiring me to become healthier and not just eat junk food all the time. So thank you. I'm not physically fat at all due to my Fast metabolism but my diet is horrendous and I can barely run or wallk up a flight of stairs anymore without catching my breath. I can't even catch my breath when doing simple things like house work and stuff like that.

[@marabrown3766]

I feel like the fit people really had to hold back because they were scared of being canceled. The fat people just invalidated the fit people, but couldn't take the heat back. How could you say one side is misrepresented, but the other could never be that way? Big people and small people have problems. Your problems don't invalidate others' problems.

[@ashina5924]

The big people pretty much tried to invalidate the other side

[@saiyaara555]

A 40+ minutes video! My day has been made.

[@davidjacome3280]

It crazy I haven’t seen a video of yours in over 2 and half years. It’s crazy how much you have changed from your nails to rings and your demeanor, and honestly I love all of it and I really love your content from then and now my guy ✊🏽

[@saradevos83]

I must agree with the guy who started to loose weight before loving himself. I started to loose weight out of fear because of some diseases my father had. I started loving myself the more confident I became and that happened with all the work I put in and the little results I saw. It took as much time to loose 20kg as it took for me to re-love myself. Now I love me, with or without a scale or non scale victory.

[@RachelReduces]

I think videos like these are important because they allow us to understand the ideals and struggles of others. I love that Jubilee added someone who is on their own "Fat to Fit" journey, because that truly is the Middle Ground. 💖

[@zomgkb]

Hi rachel

[@RachelReduces]

@@zomgkb Hey sweetheart! ❤❤

[@raheeeg]

They didn't even really scrape on skinny shaming, I remember 2 family members at every family event as a teenager and a few women I used to work with that would make comments like "you're so skinny, don't you eat? What's wrong with you, your thigh's the size of my wrist! You look like my son" etc ..could you imagine if I said the opposite? Waaaaay less acceptable by society, especially when you consider I grew up around the demonisation of slim bodies under the pretence of inclusivity (when Kim marsh was at her prime but "problematic" because of her size) for reference my BMI is 19 and I too find it damn near impossible to find clothes that fit 🙈

[@bbhouk1]

Yeah and people also say horrible shit like calling you an anorexic bitch or compare you to a skeleton or holocaust victim People like John or people who are normal slim do NOT understand what it's like to be actually skinny and have everyone insult you for it. A patient's family once told me they wanted to lock me in a closet and force feed me and laughed about it. NO ONE would ever get away with saying they wanted to lock a person in a closet and starve them.

[@taylorrosepole]

The yoga instructor was incredibly well spoken!

[@jasmine2022pfl]

I have to say that thin people, especially if they are also short, can't just go into any store and find clothes that fit. A lot of stores just don't carry clothes in smaller sizes. Sure, you can find stuff at fast fashion stores or stores that cater to younger people, but department stores or places with professional attire? It's extremely difficult to find anything under a size 6 at a reasonable price.

[@applegal3058]

As someone who has a big booty and small waist, I've always found it hard to find pants that fit correctly. I typically wear a size 10 or 12, so there are lots in my size to choose from, but a lot just don't fit right. Either it's too loose on my waist and comfortable on my hips, or too tight on my hips and fits my waist. I tend to find some clothes that I know fits, and stick to that one or two styles of pants. As a petite topped girl, I can easily find shirts though, so I only have difficulty finding bottoms, and can jazz up the same black or brown or blue pant with different tops.

[@mallorymilner2353]

I disagree when he said that "hating myself made me change". I think he loved himself enough to make the change to be genuinely happy. That's how I felt when I started on my weightloss journey. I thought I hated myself so much that I needed to be completely different. But I realized after a year that I made those changes because I loved myself and saw who I could be and not what I had allowed my bad habits to dictate me.

[@mariaelena9369]

how can you disagree with his feelings?😂

[@mallorymilner2353]

@@mariaelena9369 I'm not disagreeing with his feelings necessarily. I think I'm providing another prospective to his feelings. If he felt like he hated himself, truly, then why would he think he could make those changes? If we 'hate' a person, we think 'they will never change'. It's just an alternate thought, not feeling invalidation. But thank you for your question.

[@Kayaslife567_3]

Its easy to hate your body and habits and love your mind and who are essentially as a human. I am not my body. My choices affect y body but its also not my entire self and i dont base my value on it

[@tiredblueberry9218]

I think hating your body could be effective as initial boost of motivation to change. That's how it happened with me. But after that you need to love and respect yourself to keep it up and keep going.

[@JessiieB]

I’ve delt with both thin and fat shaming. I was very thin before my kids and often got told I was too thin and needed to eat more meat. It was awful and made me really self conscious. After having my babies I gained about 50lbs and hear all the time how I didn’t bounce back well. I get told all the time they hope now that things are opening back up that they hope I lose the baby weight. Both suck, both made me super self conscious but I’d say skinny shaming felt much better than the pressure of fat shaming. I literally had my baby last may mid pandemic and I’m just expected to be back into my size 5s…

[@loryndabenson2118]

😞 you take the time you need. Focus on doing things that make you feel good. Don't worry about other people. Just make sure you and your baby are healthy.

[@ekt7794]

Wow this is really horrible to hear. I’m so sorry those words have been spoken to you. I hope you know you deserve confidence and peace, no matter how you look.

[@heyitsLizzy]

when I was in high school and struggling with an ED my mom let me buy hcg drops to do the program :'( They actually sold drops that you would just take under the tongue. As a very healthy adult woman, I can't believe my mom allowed that to happen. When you have naive people who don't understand health themselves and you are so young and impressionable, it's easy to be lead in a horrible and unsafe direction. Again blessed to be healthy today.:)

[@sbs1373]

SAME!! I lost 25 pounds in a month on the HCG drops on high school and no one thought that was concerning. Not even me! Crazy 😔

[@dianalove539]

I kind of want to experience being skinny, can you convince me not to take those hcg drops that you speak of?

[@heyitsLizzy]

@@dianalove539 yea, I can. those things don't work and do WAYYYY more damage than good. I used those drops when I was going through an ED and tbh it didn't make a difference in my weight. The best way to get to your body goals is to do it the right way. Eat healthy & get active. ironically when I was going through my ed that's when my weight would fluctuate the most & my weight was actually more than it is now. When I finally choose to do things the right way I dropped the weight and now sit at the same healthy weight. I suggest finding a hobby that gets you active that you love & can continue to progress at. Also what you eat is the most important thing. shortcuts don't work & if they do work, it's only temporary.

[@TeamYouphoric]

I love watching the "Common Ground" videos.

[@bri4210]

I agree with the point about fat shaming vs skinny shaming. A thin person isn’t going to experience fear of flying on an airplane the same way an overweight person does, or the example you gave of going to an amusement park, or not being able to wear a unit tshirt to work because the style they chose isn’t something that fits my body. It feels very isolating. Again, nobody should ever be shamed but I can’t see how very thin people would feel the same or greater severity of shame from society around us. Maybe I lack their perspective. I started watching your videos again after gaining a lot of weight back. Recently, I made up excuses not to go on a trip to see family because I didn’t want to go through flying there. It felt terrible. I’m glad to hear your voice and perspectives again, I really needed it.

[@HeyHolly14]

14:10 I thought this woman would say something useful and then she completely brought it back to looks. I would set forward and say fat shaming is more prevalent and commenting on anyone’s body in a negative way instead of a way of real concern is wrong. Those moms that tell you to eat more have no real concern but just feel comfortable commenting on someone’s body just like they do to people who have bigger body’s.

[@louisac303]

i feel like the influencer guy who's on a weight loss journey is stuck in a cycle of projection, to be honest. especially when he said 'i feel like everyone goes through body dysmorphia' like, bro, no they don't. as someone with it, they don't, dysmorphia is not just not liking how you look, it's not just wishing your body looked different, dysmorphia isn't about that. dysmorphia involves distortion of reality, it's obsessions, and it's a disorder born of psychological distress, not just body dissatisfaction. most people even if they don't like their body are NOT experiencing dysmorphia and if this guy thinks he has dysmorphia i hope he gets actual help instead of basically downplaying his own struggle by telling himself that everyone experiences it. like, that's such a dangerous defence mechanism but so many people do it, they convince themselves that what they're experiencing is normal and that stops them from addressing it because surely if everyone experiences this and they don't need to get help for it then i can fix it just by being 'strong' enough. honestly this guy seems kind of sad, he seems like he's expecting losing weight to fix all his problems - maybe that's not actually the case, it's just the read i'm getting, he seems like he ditched the shallow 'love yourself while fat' mindset for the shallow 'love yourself by getting physically healthy' mindset, when neither of those things can be effective without deeper work on the inner self. he seems like he's overly invested in the idea that if he just meets a certain material body goal he'll be happy, and that makes me really sad for him.

[@AmberA52]

So I am "skinny" due to a medical condition called gastroparesis, but its to the point that I now look unhealthy, to me... I see my face, eyes and immediately can tell there has been a huge loss of fat and muscle. And apparently to others I know or associate with they feel the same and often make comments about my body, how they don't like how I look, why can't doctors just fix me already, can't I just try to eat... I can't find clothes that fit regardless of the store I go into... so for me, it hurts just as much as the comments made when I was heavier (I've been 2OO & now I'm 1OO, I've also been athletic and done OCRs). Comments about bodies can hurt regardless, because people fail to stop and think about why someone look that way or what's actually in their control or why saying what they have said would be harmful. I've silently dealt with BDD since 13 years old (Im in my 40s now) so whether I was big or small, the comments only make me obsess more, or confirm more. If we simply teach others that these comments simply aren't appropriate, we'd probably save so many lives, hurt and weight de-stress.

[@DevinRoseJupiter]

Man i used to think fat shaming was worse then skinny shaming, then i developed anorexia, lost a shit ton of weight very quickly and had a teacher that every class i had with her would tell me "eat something, you need to eat, your too skinny" in front of the whole class Then i had another (male this time) teacher who, when i came back from having developed an eating disorder over the summer, looked me up and down and said "your bodys perfect, you know my wife used to be anorexic so like dont lose another pound your perfect" (he said this in the creepiest way and also would have me sit near his desk to "see my beautiful face) Anyway my point is as someone who has been very fat and someone who has been very skinny theyre the same alot of the time, 2 sides to a coin ya know

[@hrshy491777]

The “fat influencer” who is a yoga teacher should look into the future a bit more. There will be a time where she will not be able to do yoga because she is overweight. I play hockey pretty well right now around 290lbs and losing, but I know down the road my body will not be able to handle that activity unless I lose more weight.

[@pegaseg70]

I agree But as she said, she has battled many things and is still in the process of healing Your mental health is the most important thing, as without it, you can't do anything I don't know the specifics of her situation I will use her as an example to things that could be happening to anyone It is very well possible that herself and/or her medical professionals (if she has any, which is an issue in itself, especially in the US where basic healthcare costs an arm and a leg) don't think it would be wise for her to lose weight at this moment in time because of her mental health - she has stated that the 500kcal diet was very traumatic She might be on medication that makes it difficult to lose weight, etc. Bottom line is, like the other guy said, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes, what conversations with actual professional they are having, what steps towards healthier habits they are taking

[@simstarlet6613]

When they said that skinny people can go to any store and find tons of things their size and they go to entire stores where nothing fits and have to order online...and a skinny person I don't wanna hear it. I have to buy my clothes online all the time because the majority of time, stores don't have anything in my size either, but there are TONS of plus size clothes all over the place, even a bunch of special plus size clothes stores. What does a naturally skinny gal get? My bra size is a AA, and stores NEVER have tops, bathing suits or bras that are remotely going to fit. Everything is C and up. Want to wear lingerie? Too bad, 99% of companies don't even make anything smaller than a B or C. MAYBE you can find an A cup with a band size that's too big...but never AA. Halloween costumes that are in my size? Don't even bother. Need a dress that fits? Better be prepared to put a whole lot of stuffing in it! I know all to well what its like to walk into many stores and there won't be a single thing in my size while my plus size friend has TONS of options. And as far as skinny shaming goes, it's just as real. ALL my life, the go to if someone doesn't like me is for them to call me, "That skinny bitch." Even people I don't know, "Oh that skinny bitch over there..." I also all my life have gotten comments for assumptions that I have anorexia, bulimia, or am on drugs. Strangers in public all the time say to me as they walk by, "Wow, use crack much," or "Ever try eating," "You know, a burger won't kill you," "Maybe you should try eating food, not crack." Here is the funny thing, I'm a complete healthy weight for my size. Yes, I'm a bit on the smaller size in general, short and small framed, even hats are oversized for my head, but I'm at a very healthy weight. But so many people are bigger now, in comparison, it's like no one is used to seeing a petite person at a healthy weight anymore, and I happen to have no boobs on top of it which makes me look even skinnier.

[@sarahdohring1551]

Body shaming is never okay, both skinny people and fat people experience that. If someone can be naturally skinny, then logically there are people who are naturally fat. What fat people experience that skinny people don't is the systemic fat phobia. Doctors will dismiss medical issues of fat people and blame it on their weight instead of treating what the patient came in for. Fat people are also less likely to get hired for jobs, etc. We are talking about body shaming, vs the way that people are treated by the system.

[@Dragonmastur]

Your experiences are definitely valid, but as someone who's been overweight all my life and bring treated as some kind of animal without feelings by the general public and not being able to find anything to wear at the mall. I just wanna look nice, damnit. Skinny people can pad their dresses if they can't fit. I would have to cut off parts of my body in order to fit a dress I like.

[@leopardshadow333]

For me, the thing that makes it not "just teasing" or whatever invalidating thing people say, is being refused medical treatment bc an underweight person MUST be a drug user looking for pain pills. Its the not being able to stop physical violence, like having strangers pick you up on the street with no warning. Its having to sort through kids clothes with sparkly unicorns to find something vaguely suitable for an adult job interview. Its not just "oh no people arent nice about my body" bc thats *everyone*

[@simstarlet6613]

@@leopardshadow333 exactly! I've actually been not allowed to be not hungry and force myself to overeat to appease everyone else. If I say I'm full or not currently hungry, everyone thinks automatically that now I have an eating disorder and "Oh of course you're hungry, you're skinny, you need to eat." I know all to well the shopping kids clothes to have to find adult looking stuff too!! And I never said that a person can't be naturally bigger the same as a person can be naturally smaller. I was just saying I'm sick of bigger people saying their problems are worse than skinny people because we don't know what it's like to not be able to go to a store and find clothes that fit and such, and it's worse to be negative about fat people's weight than it is to be negative about skinny people weight because what skinny people deal with is less harmful. It's just not true at all. We deal with those same issues.

[@tristan9230]

Every time I’m bored and just feel like eating I just watch your videos and it helps completely, kinda funny but you really are such a great motivator, so thank you!

[@sophiejervis169]

The idea of skinny shaming isn't just 'i wish I was as skinny as you'. It goes as far as for people to question if you have an eating disorder, being mocked for not having womanly curves if you're a woman, being mocked in a gym setting for not being huge if you're a man. I also struggle finding clothes that fit a tall skinny body and always have

[@biancasadventure]

John it definitely would have been interesting if you were actually invited! I love your take on things so I guess that’s why I keep watching 😅

[@tayhutt1035]

In Obese-to-beast we trust.

[@ObesetoBeast]

Lol I don’t know about all that!

[@RachelReduces]

Facts! I'm getting branded on Sunday, care you join me Taylor. 😂

[@unintrestednerd]

I personally see skinny and fat shaming on the same level. It totally can stop you for shopping in some stores when you are very tiny, it makes people comment on you all the time. And not the "oh you are so skinny, I wish I was too". But more of "you should eat more/your bones are showing/ha, you are flat as a plank" and my favourite that I heard a lot "REAL women have curves". It can be as harming as the other and neither should be allowed to happen. But do I see seat size or clothing size as shaming? No. I don't. It is just a consequence of our own actions and how we are.

[@anniyahazille1910]

this.

[@josie3221]

nah they’re not the same thing. thinness is still the beauty standard. also, while saying “real women have curves” is gross, people are talking about breasts/hips etc. not your physical weight.

[@unintrestednerd]

@@josie3221 That's your opinion. Claiming that "real women have curves" does not attack a persons size is ridiculous when the whole phrase is toward for skinny women to shame them for being skinny. And there is a lot more worse things that I have heard through my life than that, and experienced. So, yes. I find it nasty when people make it a contest of "who had it worse" on body shaming. Both are nasty, harmful and should never happen to anyone.

[@folksagabookart]

Agreed.

[@Niitiaschoolwork]

It might be the same on a PERSONAL level but on a institutional/cultural level ? No

[@jadespades4237]

Dude, I remember a guy in college whose fiance told him they had to do the 500 calorie thing to prep for their wedding. Literally everyone was telling him it wasn't good. He looked so tired all the time.

[@maddiefreeman22]

I’ve been a size 0 and my biggest is a size 14. I’m really stuck between if I think fat shaming is worse than skinny shaming. Not being super lean anymore is frustrating because I miss my old body. I remember when I first gained a ton of weight when my fiancé and I first started dating my grandma came up to me at thanksgiving and said I look better with “more meat” on my bones. I was horrified. I was at a point where I never felt uglier and it made me feel worse. I felt the shame for wanting to be healthy again. I never experienced more skinny shaming about my past self than AFTER I gained weight which is absolutely insane.

[@ida6550]

I have been severely underweight (ED). I could not find any clothes, get a job or/and I was not allowed to be in the gym (gym owner banned me). I think fat and skinny shaming is the same thing. But there are more overweight people! Therefore more people who think fat shaming is worse... We are not meant to be so skinny or fat. That is why both ends think the world is "not for them". Just wanted to share :)

[@annabees]

I didn't know gym owner would ban you if they thought you are too skinny... That sounds like quite a responsible thing to do, a bit as taking the keys off of a drunk person. They can still drive, but you did everything you could to stop them. However, would be better if they advised you to relevant medical help or call ED hotline if such things exist. What do you think of being banned from gym now (I assumed you are in a better place now since you say you "had been" ^^)

[@ida6550]

@@annabees I live in Sweden (that´s why my english is quite bad...) and if you are severely underweight the gym owner does not allow you to enter the gym. Personally I think it is a good thing to do! :) I like the way you describe it, as taking the keys off a drunk person. I just wanted to say that skinny people also can have a hard time finding clothes, things to do etc. Not only fat people. But there are more fat people than skinny people today. That´s why skinny-shaming is "worse" (I don´t think it is, but feel free to think whatever you want about that :)) Ans yes, I am in a better place today! ^^

[@FronteirWolf]

It sounds like the gym owner was being sensible and looking out for you.

[@charliecannon6585]

Love this video bro! I can also dig the 40 minutes. Make them all long!

[@mayparsels2232]

Am a fit whole food plant based granny who finds you very entertaining and respectful

[@plantsntrance5513]

"People have been fat since people existed" I definitely disagree with this one. Sure, there might might have been a couple fat kings, queens, etc. But 99% of people before massive global trading (like 14th century) were not overweight/obese! I assure you.

[@PunaniJohnny]

Lol contradictions

[@Conformist138]

That's incorrect. People have discussed and described overweight and obese people for thousands of years. It wasn't just a king or other highest ruler who might be fat, but anyone with the means to acquire food. Women in particular tend to hold extra fat, and references to overweight wives is as old as time, even among the lower tiers of society. Humans weren't all universally starved skinny while only one dude got all the food and only he gained weight.

[@RandomFandomDragon]

Historically those who were prosperous, not just aristocracy, tended to be overweight because they could afford to eat well. Others were thin because they could not afford to eat well. This wasn't a fit vs fat thing, it was a wealth vs poverty. Now it's reversed to a degree; those with money have an easier time getting fit, and those without money are becoming more obese.

[@plantsntrance5513]

@@Conformist138 I agree with that, but I still think the extent to which that is, is pretty small.

[@Sageddegas]

@@Conformist138 they literally said 99%. They didn’t say everyone.

[@colleenazure]

Fav video of yours! I loved hearing the different perspectives and your take as someone who has lost weight.

[@JuliaMarieH]

I think the narrative of body positivity needs to shift from “being fat isn’t necessarily unhealthy and you shouldn’t feel the need to lose weight” to “being fat is unhealthy but health shouldn’t be a prerequisite to loving yourself and feeling confident”. Yes, ideally every fat person should lose weight, but there are so many reasons that weight loss could not fit into someone’s life at the moment. I’m not fat but I also have a ton of unhealthy habits, and it’s unfair that I’m not criticized for them the way fat people are.

[@toughrick_getsfit]

I was a size 16-18 in high school and then through an ED like got down to a size 4-6. The fat shaming I experienced definitely led to more self-esteem issues than the comments I got after my ED. People commented on my body more after weight loss, but it was the fat shaming that continued to push me even when I was really thin. Now I’m a size 12-14 (shoutout to the pandemic for fostering my weight gain), and I’m working towards gaining muscle and tracking my diet healthily. This time will be different because it’s mindful and I’m going to set boundaries around commenting on my body with people in my life ✨

[@mayhemx9]

For me i am early on in my journey. a year of just finding my way and working out and trying to balance that into a way of being able to maintain the momentum in the gym or out of it. For me what being this heavy has taken from me and just giving up on life for a decade. Grief and depression was the biggest factor that led me here. Emotional eating was always a thing but add losing someone you love and then a ton of things pop up in life beyond that just adding another layer of shit to wade through. Doing things differently now not over exercising or over eating now. I dislike when some say if you wanna lose weight then your fat phobic. To me its like hey its my body why am i wrong for wanting to feel better because i dont. Love your videos beast keep it up.

[@jonnivaldes5597]

Just watching now but before I go any further, I just have to say to John that your nails are FIRE today. SUCH cool colours!

[@ObesetoBeast]

💅🏼💅🏼💅🏼

[@tabbyroberts6242]

A super skinny person (someone who would actually be skinny-shamed). They cannot go out and buy clothes - they have to be altered or you have to buy kids clothes. And they do get unhealthy assumptions made about them, that they have an ED. They get people assuming they have an Eating Disorder - that is worse, imo, than someone assuming you're lazy and eating takeout because you're fat.

[@avaphynx]

Being bigger you're seen as an over eater or binge eater. Which is also ED. Also doctors will over look health of bigger people. Tell them to lose weight instead of checking for the tumor that's in them, etc.

[@ssiwangg]

nah sorry

[@theoaklandzoo9128]

I love your nailpolish and all the other stuff! And you seem like such a nice, decent person... You are helping me with healthy outlook on my life and I could watch you for hours. ❤🦋

[@lily_doesstuff]

As someone who struggled with an ed I have to say that certain things really depend on your own spirit towards what is being said. I used to have a hard time when people commented on the way I looked, simply for the fact that I didn't want to be seen. It didn't matter what the comment was. On the contrary, my partner, who was overweight in his teenage years, never cared a thing about people calling him fat or about being fat, then he eventually started pursuing some activities he liked more and more and dropped weight as a consequence. So yeah we're all different. I have definitely faced and still face issues for being "skinny". Because of vanity sizing a lot of times the smallest size in a store doesn't fit right. I think that if a person is struggling with certain types of attention they are receiving it's unfair towards them to say that it's worse for someone else (in response to the fat-shaming is worse than thin-shaming question). Because believe me having the guy, who you absolutely don't know, behind the counter at a pizza place tell you "are both pizzas for you? I hope so! Cos you need to put some weight on" is not nice, or at least it wasn't for me. It made me feel judged and as if there was something wrong with me. And there's not! So yeah, moral of the story, don't judge anyone. It's not nice, you don't know them. And if they have some issues and feel bad don't downplay their struggles.

[@McKadesArKade]

This video is amazing Im trying to get healthy again It's a long road to lose all this weight ive gained the past 5 years but any shaming is terrible people need to understand that

[@imangrynow]

Skinny shaming DOES come with assumptions though. Someone I love who works with vulnerable young people is naturally thin. She hates eating sweet stuff for lunch but LOVES pizza, chips etc. When she was at an education conference, a woman she’d never met came up and suddenly attacked her, why? Because she noticed she was just eating salad, fruit and a sandwich and didn’t have any cake. This woman told her she had an eating disorder and was dangerous to the girls she works with and shouldn’t be around them. She directly addressed her weight and called her ‘scrawny’. That is assuming: Calling someone bad at their job, dangerous, and having an ED is assuming so many things about someone because of their size. She was the thinnest person there but not the only person refusing cakes and cookies. It was shaming, bullying and it really did hurt her, she’s an abuse survivor so someone saying she is dangerous to kids when she’s worked her whole life (very successfully) to help young people, was so harmful. And I’m sorry, it did come from a place of hate.

[@lilbri2358]

As a small women I hate when strangers approach me telling me to eat more. Or ask what size I am! I can’t go to Walmart and get cheap clothes cause I have short legs and need to spend more for less fabric!!! Shaming for anything reason is wrong and it is different for everyone!!!

[@LouisesJourneyxo]

The whole fat shaming vs skinny shaming part of this is so interesting to me as I've literally just done a video about being skinny shamed recently. For me personally they are both hurtful. But I do agree the fat shaming does hurt more because you know that the fat is holding you back from a lot of things that being ' skinny' doesnt

[@lwiasyl]

Obviously they were never skinny shamed so how would they know. It's not a compliment! It can be rough. So annoying.

[@agricolaregs]

I’m not skinny but a lot of time for celebs anyway, people jump to drugs first. The way people jump on skinny people is sad. It’s just as bad.

[@J_essyJames]

Started to cry at 13:09 just cause the statement hit me. I tell people all the time my desire to do better is not a result of me hating myself

[@ChronicallyMichelle1995]

People assume supper skinny people are healthy as a supper skinny person due to health issues I don’t have an ED I have 13 chronic illnesses including digestive diseases. I’ve been under weight my entire life. But people think I’m really healthy and ask how I got to this size and what they need to do. But I’m an unhealthy due to being so skinny. But I also get skinny shamed. I actually can’t shop for clothing I have to buy XS or XXS and have to alter the clothing I’m not looking to lose weight I just love your videos John

[@carlyeliza5222]

I’m sorry you’re dealing with all those health issues 😕 I hope things turn around for you. My mom suffers from digestive issues that have made her really thin as well. People always ask her what her “secret” is. It makes me sad bc her secret is that she feels horrible all the time! Sending you good vibes ❤️

[@meganoreo1839]

His name is John btw!

[@ChronicallyMichelle1995]

@@meganoreo1839 I knew that I don’t know why I said josh 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@ChronicallyMichelle1995]

@@carlyeliza5222 thank you, I have gastroparesis so my stomach is paralyzed and I was born without an esophagus. They made my esophagus in 9 surgeries from 6hrs old to 5 years old. I had a feeding tube until I was 5. Once it was removed I stopped keeping my weight the same as my healthy twin sister and it slowly struggles to gain. I’m 26 now I’ve had 14 stomach and esophagus surgeries all together the last 5 as a late teen and adult. But all my surgeries paralyzed my stomach so it doesn’t move so I can’t eat much. I have a jejunum feeding tube now for 4yrs but even with that I struggle to gain weight, I get skinny shamed bad or I get praised. I hope your mom is ok ❤️

[@deceitfulhero1723]

My mom complains when I go to the store with my dad and ask for clothes from the kids section, saying I should go to the women's section. But I prefer the clothes on the men's side of the store to the women's, and shopping in the adult section doesn't fit. Big difference between small girl and tall boy, I guess. I'm still 16, almost 17, so I *might* get a bit taller and a bit broader shouldered later. But I am currently stuck in the kids section. Filling out more would probably help quite a bit, though. You can easily see my ribs and other bones, and sitting in chairs or sleeping on my side are uncomfortable. But it's hard to gain weight or muscle. I get really bad heartburn and nausea quite often, so I tend to avoid eating if I feel like I might throw up during it. Plus I tend to misinterpret hunger cues as dehydration and just drink something, and i won't notice i haven't even eaten that day till vertigo hits and i almost fall over as i walk out of my room. I want to eventually get a test for adhd or OCD or the like eventually, partly for this and other personal reasons, because I've heard that the hunger vs dehydration thing is common in people with adhd or autism. Couple that with my truckload of obsessive habits and thoughts that can be harmful and/or get in the way, I think I would benefit from a test. But yeah, pants too wide and shirts that fall off the shoulders make it hard to find clothes in any adult section. Then the belt doesn't even have a hole close enough to work, and is loose around my waist. Kinda disheartening to have to go to the children's section when I want to get clothes for school that aren't worn out.

[@bbhouk1]

That one woman is so biased. "You're so skinny, I wish I could be that skinny" is NOT what people say. They call you anorexic bitch or call you a Holocaust victim. It's NOT okay.

[@hikkihopeless]

it is okay lmfao if you want to stop being so skinny just eat a sandwich LOL it's easier to gain weight then to lose

[@bbhouk1]

@@hikkihopeless Walk a mile in my shoes. Some of us have anorexia due to rape and sexual abuse. Why don't you just be happy you don't have that problem and leave me alone? No one deserves to be verbally abused for being skinny.

[@hikkihopeless]

@@bbhouk1 u seriously can't be crying about being called a bag of bones like fat people don't constantly get told theyll die unprovoked LMFAOOOOOOOOO

[@kotoamatsukami8523]

@@hikkihopeless have you ever had anorexia?

[@GG-vl9xq]

@@hikkihopeless you're the definition of "in my opinion this one is worse so everyone dealing with another problems are just exaggerating. There is no problem"

[@girl-in-a-treehouse]

When they ALL stepped forward at "Have you suffered from an Eating Disorder?" OH MY LORD!

[@klauslispector]

When someone calls you fat they are indirectly calling you greedy, lazy and hedonistic.. when you're thin shamed it's not any of that. It's either about "I don't like the look of you" or jealousy of your habits/discipline/body.

[@helena4440]

I think a lot of thin women look weird-ish cause they have no boobs/butt/hips and don't fully understand why most women would rather be extremely skinny than thick or fit but I don't think thin=fit at all. A lot of thin people I know are extremely unhealthy, just like most fat people I know

[@katiecrouch1102]

@@helena4440 maybe we shouldn’t body shame an entire group of people my guy

[@helena4440]

@@katiecrouch1102 sorry if you felt offended dude

[@mikanchan322]

@@helena4440 and that's a great example of what we're NOT going to do.

[@lucietigger1641]

That's why I like watching your videos. The fat shaming versus skinny shaming discussion gave me a new perspective on the issue. I still think commenting on anyone's body size is wrong and I support an attitude of body neutrality. But it's added to how I see the fat/skinny shaming thing in some situations.

[@artesyamoore]

This was dope. Thanks for reacting!

[@plantpants3746]

IMO skinny shaming is always based on jealousy and when I was skinny (5'2 105lbs) I never felt ashamed. But being overweight now in my 40's, it is very difficult to find clothes, etc. When I was skinny, I wouldn't even have to try on clothes.

[@siriushp0904]

So at first I was super annoyed by all the pauses and input, but the further I got into the video I really appreciated that you would stop the video for your input rather than talking over it. One of those didn't realize it was necessary until you kind of inserted some really good points. Thanks for the content!

[@KittyHasFleaz]

"Hating myself encouraged me to be different and encouraged me to change my life." I felt this. Horrible... absolutely horrible.. but I felt this. :(

[@KittyHasFleaz]

Also, I totally agree with you. In my opinion, it's FAR worse to be fat shamed than it is to be fit shamed. Things are still more accommodating for fit/skinny people. I've been on both ends of this, and the fat shaming definitely hurts more. No one should shame anyone. :(

[@Digitalknifeparty]

As someone who has been both thin and “fat”, I received more negative comments becoming thin versus getting being fat. I’ve heard comments like, “you’re getting too thin, you’re too thin, you’re wasting away, you’re starting to look like your sick, etc.” I do receive negative comments when I’m getting fat, but it’s far and in-between.

[@deannrobinson2031]

It was a huge relief to find a doctor who didn't instantly dismiss any issue I had as weight related. He sees me as a real person and talks to me. Which means when he does speak to me about my weight and what I could try to reduce it and make it easier on my knees and back, I'm willing to listen and I trust him. My sister, who has always been skinny as a rail, was shocked to hear me complain about doctors who wouldn't listen to anything I said because all they saw was the number on the scale. It never occurred to her that the issues I've had in the past getting diagnosed properly were because doctors weren't willing to consider anything might be wrong with me outside of being overweight.

[@loryndabenson2118]

Exactly. Sometimes being overweight is a by product of other illness or even a nutritional deficiency. Like undereating healthy fats can make some people hold on to body fat cuz they aren't getting enough healthy fats in their diets. I wish it was more widespread for doctors to work with a team of specialized professionals to help their patients when it comes to fitness/health. Instead of a doctor just telling you to lose weight or try a pill, refer you to a nutritionist or personal trainer and a therapist. But... Unfortunately our healthcare system isn't set up to accommodate this type of more thorough care. ☹️ So people are stuck trying to figure things out in their own and sometimes making things worse when they can't afford to pay someone who actually knows how to help them. Or they can afford it but they don't know how to sift thru what's actually good information or know what a nutritionist or personal trainer should be able to do for them because of all the Instagram scammers.

[@lbuss2033]

my parents forced me to do QWL when I was in 5th grade. I was like maybe 30-40 lbs overweight but they had me on a 600 calorie diet... I remember being obsessed with what my friends had for lunch and like compulsively begging them for sandwich crusts or uneaten snacks... because I was literally being starved. Lost the weight though! Gained it all back but hey! "It works!"

[@inolaheart]

I don't like this kind of dynamic. You can see how people look around each other to see if stepping out is appropriate or not. Not much "reality" here.

[@Lunicia_the_crazy_healer]

I remember how much I hated to go shopping when I was at my heaviest (110kg). Nothing would fit or look as good as it would on my friends or my size wouldn't be available. On top I would sweat a lot, feel gross and my feet would hurt so bad! I always thought losing weight and being skinny would make me feel so good and happy, but it didn't! Yes, shopping became fun, my feet didn't hurt anymore and I would find my size every time, but it didn't make me happy. On the contrary, I became anorexic and couldn't stop wanting to lose weight, I body checked multiple times a day and always felt fat. I became even more miserable! I have to learn to love myself and today I would tell everyone to learn that too before starting to go on their weight loss journey.

[@desolatequill]

I personally struggle with obesity and was recently diagnosed with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease via lab work and an ultrasound. My Triglicerides are high, my ALT is a bit elevated, I have high cholesterol and a lot of fatigue all the time and I’m only 30. I’ve fluctuated on diets all my life but now I’m forced to lose weight for my better health and it’s a toxic motivation that I don’t really have a choice anymore. I used to watch your videos all the time and I found myself coming back now. I was 260Ibs and I’m down to 223 right now by being on a low carb, low fat, and low sugar diet. It’s extremely hard to stay motivated with the ‘boring’ foods the rest of my life. It’s been months and even though I’m eating right and losing weight, I feel more depressed than ever cause I’m so bored of the food I eat. I’m trying to curve my mentality that food is just food and not something I should care that much about. I should learn to be okay with the healthier food and just focus my time on something else but it’s impossible. I constantly think of foods that I can’t have as an impulse now. It’s miserable. I go to the store and as I pass every item I think ‘can’t have that, cant have that, maybe that? *checks label* nope, can’t have that either.’ I’ve literally silently cried in an isle because I was buying Coke Zero instead of Vanilla Coke. My life sucks more than ever even if I’m starting to feel better physically, my mental game is plummeting.

[@RaunchyPixels]

i hated everything about myself. EVERYTHING i still kinda do. But i changed because i wanted to find something to love.. i want to find something about myself i see as good, change is not exclusively out of love

[@katiemutschler6040]

13:06 got me not gonna lie. I wasn't obese, but did suffer from an ed so just hearing someone put "I hate what it did to me" was like a wash of emotion. I feel the same way too

[@TheDanyell13]

I think the major difference between "fat-shaming" And "Thin-shaming "is that, "Thin-shaming" is based on jealousy and envy, and fat shaming is based on actual shaming. And in my experience its usually been used as a 'come back' towards thin people constantly being ridiculing people about being overweight. A lot less people desire to be fat, mostly everyone wants to be skinny. Both are toxic and problematic, but based on that i do think fat shaming is worse. I don't think many people who have been thin all their lives have had the change room meltdown experience.

[@Joan_Cato]

I don't think thin-shaming is based on jealousy or envy. As someone who has been thin-shamed, I think it's about what the person doing the shaming finds attractive. Some people don't find skinny people attractive. "You need a burger," means "if you had a little more meat on your bones, I'd find you more attractive."

[@siphokaziubisi6944]

I disagree, vehemently lol. I think today, skinny shaming can happen to people who are a normal weight, whereas previously(2000's) you would be just underweight, or close to it, to get 'concerned' if not just very rude comments. I think they are both just shaming, it's just that more people have experienced fat shaming(first/second hand) than skinny shaming(because being that thin is uncommon). I do think that more people who fat shame are just being rude(and know it) but people who skinny shame THINK they are being genuinely concerned(with a terrible comparison tagged on at the end). The dressing room melt down experience can be different for everyone: not fitting into anything and eventually resigning to get the basics from the children's section can be demoralizing too. It's the same thing from different ends of the spectrum. Look at the comments people have about bodies like Lizzo and BlackPink's Rose it's all really sad.

[@lataniafenn5885]

Nah, some communities and ethnic groups being rail-thin isn’t seen as conventionally attractive, so there are definitely thin people being shamed simply because they are viewed as too small for health reason not jealousy. (I don’t agree with shaming anyone besides like murderers and pedophiles).

[@TheDanyell13]

@@Joan_Cato I definitely agree that it does go both ways. But again the entire world is still made for you. You can shop in stores that if your bigger the sales people will give you the side eye. Look at places like Brandy Melville, Abercrombie, Victoria secret, ans others that kind of thing is still everywhere. While your experiences are valid and I'm sorry that has happened to you, and that does not ever validate being cruel to you or anyone. But it goes alot deeper with fatshaming, you get looked over for things like job positions because the assumption is that they can't do it. Also I think its different with men and women, with women its more envious than men.

[@StillNotMarble]

I think I mostly agree with you. Across the general population, its so much easier and harsher to fat shame. And the negative connotation of being fat (lazy, no control, bad hygiene, etcetera) is worse then being too thin (vain). However, there is a certain kind of thin person who has definitely had a changing room meltdown. Its the woman who is "flat as a board" or the man who "could get knocked out by a feather." Shirts that look like you are wearing a tent, or make you look like a kid in your siblings clothes. Arm holes that flap around. Bust room and hangs so loose that you can see the bones of your flat sternum. Its something more for the very thin, because then you start getting attacked for your gender and identity. "Are you even a man?" Or "no one wants a sharp bag of bones."

[@ameeraramly4871]

I used to be overweight and fell into obese category. I feel so relate to Nick because back then when i was overweight, I'm all about body positivity & convincing myself it's okay to be the size that I were as long as I love me the way I am. But this habit causing me to gain more weight & it makes me realized I was living in denial, I wasn't happy, I was self-conscious & other health issues. It's all about how u accept and adapt to the changes. I'm not against the plus size influencers but in some way, the way they projecting self-confidence are too good to be true & them promoting clothes look unpleasant sometimes.

[@ohjonash]

Love the pink nails!

[@leldesaulite-rozite]

Aw that comment about 500 calories per day suggested by a medical professional hit me hard, because when I was 18 and wanted to lose a little bit of weight, I worked with one of the famous professionals(certified dietitian) in my country, it ended up suggesting me 400 and less calories and 4 liters water per day, and of course ended with straight ED and several years to fix that! I measured everything and it became like a race to eat less, ended up 200 calories per day. So it is really dangerous too, be really careful who you trust. Because not medical professionals are really like that, but there are many.

[@jonm.678]

Jon is spot on with fat shaming being worse than skinny shaming. Yes, both are obviously bad. However, the skinny shaming is usually pretty backhanded but cheeky stuff like “oh you’re so skinny! You need to eat!” Meanwhile, fat shaming literally makes you feel subhuman and you don’t belong anywhere. I’ve been fat and fit before, and being fat shamed was brutal. Nothing compares to that on the other side, I’m sorry but it doesn’t.

[@sz.994]

Agreed

[@bbhouk1]

Try being actually underweight and having people call you Holocaust victim or anorexic b*tch. Skinny shaming IS just as bad as fat shaming.

[@NoCommonSense9]

@@bbhouk1 ive been underweight nni never had anyone say that shit. Im so sorry thats awful but not a universal experience in the way fat shaming is

[@b3thamphetamine]

@@NoCommonSense9 No experience is universal. That doesn't make any sense, at all.

[@danieljstanley5547]

i cant believe i have been watching you for 5 years and you always inspired me

[@morena6717]

I love your ring set! You're the only person I've seen that wears as many as I do! I completely feel the thing about shopping. I've been slightly overweight, not too much but araound 10/15kg and being a big, tall girl, most of the times I struggle to find clothes, not to mention that most boots don't even fit my calves. When not even shoes are fitting, it get humiliating.

[@MaxwellMakes1]

Hey, I wanted to share that on officially 5 pounds down and 2 weeks into me loosing weight. Your one of my biggest inspirations!

[@kinorodriguez2095]

I can accept people being fat but I can not accept morbid obesity. As someone who grew up with three immediate family members who were morbidly obese, it saps your quality of life from you.

[@katarzynafurtak5900]

I would say fat-shaming is always worse than fit-shaming, but when you're naturally very underweight the skinny-shaming has to be just as bad as fat-shaming. It's not "You're so skinny, I wish I looked that way", it's "Ew girl, nobody's gonna like a clothes hanger"