Fat Shark Dominator HD Digital FPV System FIRST LOOK

[@JoshuaBardwell]

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[@elishahodgson1635]

Why wouldn't they tell us who the other company developing this is?

[@elishahodgson1635]

@coreyman0 they assured us it had nothing to do with them, maybe DJI didn't come up with it in the first place and the company that did sold a particular version to them

[@nameisnottaken]

@@elishahodgson1635 Its Walksnail/Caddx

[@nawtec4970]

What vtx works with these googles

[@elishahodgson1635]

@@nawtec4970 neither hdzero nor dji

[@andreswart4951]

Hi Joshua, Joined your channel today. I'm 60 years of age and fascinated by fpv. Dipping my toes into the hobby and watching your videos for guidance in this matter. Thanks from South Africa. Andre Swart

[@0TheRain0]

As an engineer and programmer, I have to say it seems extremely unlikely to me that this product does not descend from the DJI FPV system in some way. It seems odd to me that the companies involved are trying to mask that in any way. All of the settings are the same. The "low power mode can't record" message is the same. These aren't things that would be universal to an HD system developed by two different entities.

[@definingslawek4731]

Dji put canvas mode in this dji goggle but not in our ones 😭

[@kandredfpv]

Is this is the same crap Fat Shark did with Byte Frost and then the Shark Byte system, claiming they were developing an HD FPV system when they were really just licensing someone else's technology? Don't get me wrong, I own Fat Shark goggles, and think they make great products (albeit a bit overpriced), but sometimes they are a bit disingenuous. The only other FPV vendor on the market who I can think of that's been "involved in FPV for long time" and was working on an HD FPV system is Immersion RC but they've merged with Orca (a Fat Shark competitor) so I doubt it's them. So yes, it must just be DJI with canvas mode. 😂

[@Isledadkart]

If we assume everyone is telling the truth. My guess is dji sold the rights or tec to caddex.

[@craighermle7727]

Odd perhaps, but DJI/China has had pretty negative publicity with the DoD controversy,; does that play into a reason to downplay any partnership? That's not a sarcastic question.

[@shonmacklin9613]

@@Isledadkart my guess is DJI never owned it themselves.

[@travisSimon365]

As a long-time DJI user, I could not be any more happy to see this video. Not only is it a scary prospect to rely solely on DJI to provide high-quality HD video, but competition always drives innovation.

[@JoshFisk]

This is a DJI system and there is a good amount of evidence of that.

[@motaratak]

That dude seemed full of shit as Mr. Bardwell was interviewing him. I wondered how the hardcore “community” is going to react to a rebadge DJI unit

[@steviefpv]

F#+k dji everyone forgets there rubbish business practice and they started out by stealing others designs.

[@835FPV]

I have zero knowledge about the DJI/Fat Shark situation but I've had quite a bit of experience with Chinese manufacturing and licensing of various technologies in the Pro AV realm. This is a common play that a lot of smaller companies do to stay competitive. They license technology that is at least near identical to their competition, rebrand it, recolor the hardware and have changes made to the UI either to differentiate the look or to emphasize certain functionality. This is usually in conjunction with other products which the company is trying to tie together and differentiate themselves through their overall offering and not just with one product. Often times, companies will do this with Chinese companies who are licensing to multiple competitors as well as chasing market share with their own brand. In many cases, they're not as successful chasing market share directly as they are with licensing through already-established companies so they do this as a form of diversification. My absolute guess is that DJI has seen some success with Caddx and are taking it to the next level with a more substantial play with Fat Shark. They'd rather have someone else handle all the marketing and support for such a niche market and just continue being a supplier to other companies who will shoulder all that for them. My other guess is that Fat Shark is desperate to stay relevant and doesn't have the chops to build their own system. They can't admit this because they'd lose credibility to the market after the way the last few years have played out, but there's no way this isn't coming out at some point (if true) so it's a weird play. It would probably still work, though, especially if DJI steps into more of a supplier role. There are plenty of folks who just want to not have DJI branding on their gear to pretend that all this stuff we're playing with isn't made in China. Again, that's all complete guessing on my part based on how I've seen this play out in other electronics markets. I just hope the thinner VTX will be compatible with my V2 DJI goggles lol

[@TheDiegoAranda]

It's funny how many people who previously said "I'll never put DJI in my quad!" are now fawning pathetically in the comments about how impressed they are with FatShark and how they can't wait to buy this system - when it is absolutely, clearly, *obviously* the DJI system in a different goggle with a modified GUI and new VTX design. The lies in this video are blatant.

[@dutchfpv7010]

Absolutely true, and I think highly likely. But big as DJI is, they aren't T-Mobile or Lockeed Martin or the USAF. DRL has huge money and resources and technology available to them, and as a production company is probably more invested in HD than anyone. Remember they were demo-ing HD FPV drones flown remotely over 5G a year ago. They already have that technology and this is far simpler. Fatshark and DRL have partnered since like 2017. It makes at least as much sense that DRL developed this then saw a chance for wider monetization of it. You'd have to think that whatever value such a technology has to DRL alone would be chump change to DRLs major sponsors. If they felt there was some additional ROI to be realized by putting this tech out in the open market then we would end up exactly where we are. Just a thought. But I am still more inclined to believe Greg is playing semantics and its just DJI in some form or another.

[@wattage2007]

It’s strange that FS walked away from their involvement with HDZero.

[@Maxbl4]

What would be really great to hear is something like this: Hello, we are Fatshark, we acquired DJI FPV system and can make improvements on it. So far we developed new goggles, that have same DJI firmware and fully compatibly with old units, in the future we will offer both software and hardware improvements (e.g. new units with better features). I would order new goggles right away, just to support fatshark and development

[@JoshFisk]

That doesn't really look to be the case as this point. So far it looks more like a Caddx situation but with Goggles. Greg himself in this video states they have basically nothing to do with the development and I don't think he is lying. The whole walksnail situation is evidence of this.

[@Maxbl4]

@@JoshFisk In the other video the literally says: This is our new goggles, we've been working on them for past 2 years... Shamelessly lying! Than in later comment, he obviously have to take it back, because walksnail have made their annoucement and everyone can see who is the real developer

[@SkyCandyVisuals]

100% would of been great

[@JoshFisk]

@@Maxbl4 I agree they definitely could have done a better job keeping the facts straight lol.

[@terminsane]

naw, dji is a hostile military company. its about time an american company started competing.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I asked about Avata this morning. Allan says it's a pure coincidence. Drew says he knows what Avata is, and it's not this. If when the Avata releases well know for sure.

[@DirtyCrossBalisong]

Avata will most likely be the name of the new DJI FPV (mini) drone

[@FiddlingwithmyWhistle]

Do we know, how many FPV focused companies are out there ?? And how many of them, would want to stay in the shadows on a BIG project like this ?? Only one, that I can think of. Starts with D, ends in I. With some of us Jammed in the middle :)

[@FiddlingwithmyWhistle]

I just watch @Drone Camps video on the DJI Avata leak, he suggest it's a new drone, like the 'Mini 3' that will come with smaller DJI Goggles, small like the size of Fat Shark ones ?? Ask Alian, if Fat Shark is supplying the goggles for the new DJI Avata Drone ;)

[@nofearjer1]

Remember when the margarine guys figured out there was a DJI “V3” goggle? I think the Fatshark goggles *are* the V3 goggle. That way DJI hands over FPV entirely to the FPV community but obviously makes royalties through the sale of their hardware. Thoughts?

[@ShebanFPV]

These are the DJI copy paste under the FatShark skin due to political reasons )) everyone sees and understands that ) 🤫🫢

[@dcus55]

There is another…to steal a line. There is another Red Cat subsidiary who has this capability. And they don’t have goggles for their system, which includes digital encrypted video. And the on screen menus are what color? Connect the dots.

[@yoann_m491]

Pretty sure it isn't that.

[@flowstate_link]

Yes entirely possible

[@michaelajero2409]

It is a bit insulting to hear and see JB not admit to the fact that it is DJI V3 system he was talking about a couple of weeks ago underneath the new fatsharks. Any dummy that has flown DJI FPV sees that the googles and software are the updated versions of DJI products. Look at the menu system and hear the beeps.

[@tehllama42]

I love how everybody either forgets, or is unaware of CONNEX being a thing in 2018, and that digital video has actually been around and functional for a really long time... it just needed more system integration love to really be working. In its current state, this is about where that system was when things finally dropped off for that system, which still is very flyable.

[@DOJIELDIENVE]

If so. I hope the video module is at least 70% smaller.

[@djovanimiok3487]

I agree with you 100% was so revolutionary at the time I still have it, you never know might be CONNEX that partnered with Fat Shark

[@seandifronzo8139]

I still have a connex system new in box lol.

[@mdk42o74]

i loved my CONNEX system back in the day

[@TweakRacer]

Hot garbage.

[@GiovanniBalestrieri]

Mate you deserve 10 milion subscribers. Reference point for FPV, you re like a safe landmark you can always rely on.

[@cheechfpv]

I know everyone wants more resolution and less latency. But to be completely honest I would be very satisfied long term if either Fatshark or DJI came out with a 810P low latency system that has fixed latency, oled screens and compatible with all DJI VTX’s. When I fly the DJI FPV Drone once in a while I really appreciate that little extra resolution.

[@josh8106]

25/50 mbps bitrate options, low latency options, as well as a focus mode option. This is definitely DJI tech

[@Freebird_67]

No doubt

[@definingslawek4731]

I wonder what happens to v2 with this plus the potential dji v3 coming out. Will we be abandoned and have to buy yo vistas while we can or simply buy a new set of goggles

[@SCFPV]

@@definingslawek4731 I'll ditch Dji first. Really tired of their b.s. I have 4 O.G Air Units, and zero of 4 can record on board dvr, and DJI couldn't care less.

[@AsocPro]

I appreciate Joshua from the future’s sleepy additions Joshua from the future always does a great job jumping in and making great insights on the videos. That was the highlight of the video for me. It’s one of those who knows what they are doing but it’s gonna be interesting. This is for sure something that could make huge waves and I’m hoping we will be able to at some point have the secret partner unveiled and get all the answers to all the questions.

[@MartinWolker]

It is IRC

[@AsocPro]

@@MartinWolker I dunno about that. I would suspect anything ImmersionRC was working on wouldn't be available to Fat Shark as ImmersionRC was just acquired by Orqa. It seems that people are thinking Caddx or possibly some help with what TEAL drones is doing with their video since they are also under Red Cat like Fat Shark is.

[@MythicLionMan]

It will be interesting to see what the finished product is like. But the existence of this makes DJIs strategy of breaking compatibility with new releases more of a liability. It was never good from a consumer point of view, but now it's an incentive to switch platforms if this new product is any good. I own three DJI AUs. If DJI releases V3 and it's not compatible with V2, there's no benefit to me to staying with DJI (unless I keep buying V1 AUs or Vistas). If DJI were to release V3 and it were backwards compatible I wouldn't have to refit my existing systems, which would make sticking with DJI much cheaper.

[@shadai7398]

Let me see if I have all this correct. 1. Fatshark is slowly becoming irrelevant due to the fact digital seems to be the way forward and analog has peaked 2. Fatshark kicked HDZero out of bed, presumably (from Greg's own mouth) the link and picture quality just wasn't the same 3. Fatshark has no where else to go 4. DJI is trying to sell their leftovers to the FPV market but needs a partner who can get around the FCC 5. Fatshark thinks, fuck it, free real estate, sells soul to DJI 6. Fatshark realizes they can't just release the Dominator Vista, so they implement canvas mode as sleight of hand to keep everyone happy (look, nothing to see here!) .... right? So 1 of 3 things happened. Either A) Greg slipped in the fucking shower and dreamed up the design for the FPV equivalent of the flux capacitor or B) Fatshark somehow reverse engineered proprietary DJI tech and get ready for the lawsuits or C) a deal was made by two companies looking to make more money. Which one seems more likely?

[@calisti9308]

This. Exactly.

[@keeph9286]

I found this video claiming the new FatShark goggles have DJI internals.... I havent backchecked all his info yet. it was an interesting watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWetqqhrdriGjLM

[@shahfpvjuzflylah2415]

You said it bud…. Was thinking the same after this interview with Greg…

[@Vousie]

Yup. DJI has been working on their Occusync system since at least 2014 when their drones started being released with it. It has progressively become lower latency until with DJI FPV - essentially Occusync 3.0 - it finally got low enough for FPV pilots. Now Fatshark wants us to believe that they just somehow developed a system that performs *nearly identically* to DJI's one, in something like a year? Oh please...

[@carnagefpv8256]

No question it was option A🤣🤣🤣

[@JoshuaBardwell]

This just went up. The technology partner appears to be Walksnail: walksnail.com/ EDIT: aaaaaand the web site has been made private.

[@EdwardLyonsFlynLyon]

Where's the Preorder link? I thought was in comments.

[@VelvetyWhite135]

Walksnail Technology (HK) Co., Limited - Incorporated on 2022-05-11... Who are these guys actually and why it's so DJI like?... sus 🤔

[@JoshFisk]

Unofficial backwards compatibility with vistas and air units would be pretty sweet. Walksnail has also the brand on the newer vista antenna, peanut charging cable, and likely other products.

[@calif94577]

Who the heck is walksnail? DJI shell company? I dunno seems fishy as heck. Time will tell.

[@jeremysarge1772]

That's one heck of a company name.

[@mbug7973]

Apart from the very interesting content - your video style has improved so much recently. I really like the new camera angles and the effort you put into making shots more visually appealing!

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Yes, very professional!

[@SkylabFlightSystems]

Thanks for the video. I can’t help but feel that this the next evolution of DJI’s system. I love the form factor. But I’m not ordering anything until a few things happen. First, I need to see a full, finished product. Next, they need to be honest with the community about their system. I don’t care one way or the other honestly because, for me, the quality of the signal is what I care about most. Lastly, if this is DJI rebranded, then don’t make me have to abandon what I’ve spent the past year building. I jumped into digital because I had stopped flying FPV due to my lack of trust in the available analog systems. So when DJI came out, I was ready to go all in and not have to scrap an entire fleet of aircraft to do so. Innovation is amazing and our hobby needs all of the innovation we can get in order to keep growing. FPV is complex and requires knowledge in a lot of different areas. That’s one of the draws for me. But, we have to start asking for accountability both from ourselves and the manufacturers of the components we buy. Honesty is a must. Of course they are a company and they exist to make money. No problem there. Just don’t be deceptive. Good products sell even if the manufacturer is shady. DJI is the perfect example. American based companies obviously have to adapt or be left behind. Let’s not leave behind our values though. Without our money, these products don’t exist. There is a certain amount of power in that. If used wisely, we can help shape the future of our hobby.

[@kedrickperkins331]

I was quite excited about this product. I had hopes that a product like this would come from fat shark or skyzone. My hopes included the product feeling more tied to the enthusiast side of FPV. But it feels like a rebranded DJI. Except without the ability to Route an analog signal into the goggles like the dji goggles.

[@Freebird_67]

You can bet DJI is in on this. All I'm saying. I don't give 2 💩💩 what anyone says.

[@arniebmx]

Why though? Fpv companies are tiny and simply don't have the money or engineering chops to compete with a mammoth like Dji. It's better to have them license the technology for transmission and fpv companies can work on goggles and other stuff.

[@Chris-xo2rq]

@@arniebmx This is what I don't understand... why does everyone expect other companies to "reinvent the wheel" here? Are you mad at your Asus motherboard for not reinventing wifi and simply using the existing technology? Of course not... There isn't really a whole lot of different ways to do wireless transmission of information, it's not like every different company in the market could make a meaningfully distinct transmission protocol.

[@willfpv4475]

I’m definitely excited. More options means more competition and development

[@CharlyDuesentrieb]

We have seen how the new system performs, but I have missed statements about the vtx and camera. How big are they, what voltage range, what weight? Actually I am flying DJI and have an eye for HDzero for 1s whoops witrh their new 1s vtx, but I would be more than happy if the new system will support this too with better video quality than HDzero.

[@dan71559]

Uh yea I totally missed anything about vtx? Cameras? Compatibility with anything? I wired everything for caddx Vista and love it but what next?

[@GarbachNL]

Getfpv has pictures of the camera and transmitter unit up. Camera looks very much like the dji one.

[@Chuck_Carolina]

I don't even fly drones or FPV, but I do love new electronic - JB you Rock!

[@5zero7RC]

So far, without knowing more details, I would describe this as a DJI FPV system clone with some additional software development added to it. Will be interesting to see where this goes.

[@ndcapper]

I agree All of the specs seem very much like DJI. Latency numbers, variable latency, system frame rate...

[@abc-ku3rx]

agree dji hardware tweaked in a smaller goggle,nowt wrong with that though!

[@이시훈-k4n]

Honestly, looks like someone (likely be a DJI developer) stole DJI FPV system and integrated some more features such as canvas mode. That will explain why fatshark CEO doesn't give a shit about the info nor does he actually answer Bardwell's questions. This will definitely explain about 'avatar' leak as well along with different spelling. I highly doubt that this will be DJI FPV v3 though it may be very very close.

[@dou8letap82]

Uh oh dji fan panties at it again.. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@robrow]

About bloody time 🙄

[@SuphiKaner]

There is something fishy about this but I'm happy to take anything we can get I'm still routing for HDZero

[@caseyfassett1955]

Fat shark is sus. Trying to stay afloat. I'm not happy with how they did byteshark. Hdzero all the way

[@Freebird_67]

Imo anything FS related is fishy. J s.

[@orionmec]

JB, your the man. I did not expect to see this today. I figured you would not do this when you were out playing... Dude, your always working for us. Thank you. I have been figuring out much but I have had to watch other vids to sort of catch up with tech and terms. I will be sending back my dji fpv extras and going with standard stuff! Can't wait till this comes out.

[@charleselliott3109]

I definitely am going HD this summer.....no matter what.

[@FiddlingwithmyWhistle]

I think, for what it's worth. It sounds and looks like DJI is just testing new stuff on us, it will never be as good as the 'branded' DJI products, they will use the knowledge gained to make their Version 3 and 4 even better. but we will always be kept, one step behind. And some people will be happy with that.

[@painy6588]

beats being stuck with analog....But will there be a new dji digital system or only new premade dji fpv drones?

[@FiddlingwithmyWhistle]

​@@painy6588 good question. I fly DJI/Caddx Vista. So I am hoping they do keep making their RunCam and Caddx systems. and keep opening it to others. as long as we keep stepping forward, we'll be ok :)

[@이시훈-k4n]

Honestly, looks like someone (likely be a DJI developer) stole DJI FPV system and integrated some more features such as canvas mode. That will explain why fatshark CEO doesn't give a shit about the info nor does he actually answer Bardwell's questions. This will definitely explain about 'avatar' leak as well along with different spelling. I highly doubt that this will be DJI FPV v3 though it may be very very close.

[@FiddlingwithmyWhistle]

​@@이시훈-k4n I just watch @Drone Camps video on the DJI Avata leak, he suggest it's a new drone, like the 'Mini 3' that will come with smaller DJI Goggles, small like the size of Fat Shark ones ??

[@BelovedFPV]

@@이시훈-k4n I think you could be on to something here. I mean why all the secrecy?

[@bobwyattfpv9847]

Just halfway through watching and had to stop and see what the comments are. Sounds interesting. Love how FPV evolves. Right. . . Back to it 👀

[@ArbeeAerials]

Ok, I don't care what old Greg says, this is surely DJI tech. Avata stuff aside, those menus are just DJI menus but in Green.

[@ndcapper]

Totally agree!

[@djSpinege]

when he openly admitted that he was flying around DJI my collaboration sense was tingling.

[@chrispoulsen1709]

There is no way this isn't DJI tech as soon as I saw the menu I was convinced. Same specs, same menu options, 25/50 mbps bandwidth options, variable latency, the exact same latency specs (23/40ms), same air unit price, exact same camera setting options, RP-SMA ant connectors, similar OSD warnings, NO HDMI IN!!!! The avatar thing, the shifty answers about it being a "completely separate" system. I bet the only thing different about this system is that it wont work on existing DJI/Caddx Air units. The OLED screen is probably a good upgrade for image contrast, but I doubt the 1080 resolution even adds considerable image quality due to it being bitrate limited and will only add more latency. I bet they didn't even set up the OSD to be recorded in DVR because DJI doesn't do that. I think this is a ruse by DJI to avoid severe backlash when they release a new V3 goggle without backwards compatibility. I use and love the DJI system, but the company and their shennanigans suck. Not being able to use HDMI in so you can use a simulator was a calculated move by DJI to make you buy their simulator. Locking out root hacks with a non downgradable update, locking out 3rd party cameras. Lets be honest here, they are the Apple of the sky. Proprietary and non customizable, they'll kill features just because they don't want you to have them rather than provide the best user experience, just to protect perceived future profits. I was really hopeful for this release, but this branding of taking back digital fpv to the common pilot, while being blatantly disingenuous about the actual origins is shady AF. Que v1 air units / vistas no longer being available so we're forced to upgrade to continue flying. If that's the case I'd rather give HD0 my money and see what they develop.

[@Freebird_67]

100% agree!

[@definingslawek4731]

How does the ruse work? How do they get less backlash by making a v3 and abandoning us with v1s and 2s because I’d fat shark ? Oh like because they wouldn’t mKe a v3, the v3 is the fat shark?

[@360vroomers]

I’m a bit confused. There’s dominator hd but flywoo also announced their avatar goggles. Are they the same thing?

[@issachao9616]

Haha, you make the point.

[@ThomasShue]

The “Low Power Mode unable to record videos” tag is exactly like DJI

[@JoshuaBardwell]

There clearly is some DJI DNA in this system. Fat Shark swears its not DJI. If we assume both of those things are true, what does that leave?

[@borisdamole]

It gets us past the import violations!

[@ThomasShue]

@@JoshuaBardwell Caddix?

[@ThomasShue]

@@borisdamole it has to be. DJI has backed themselves in a corner so to speak. Fatshark has all but become the red headed step child. DJI and HDzero have been dominating the 2 sides of the Digital market. It was clear that FS didn’t want to rock wish HDZ anymore. FS isnt good enough to fully dev a HD system. Orqa has been working for years in Digital and still not there. So for FS to claw back some of the FPV market, they had to do something, so a secret (not for long) relationship had to be struck. It has to be DJI tech under the hood. The FW and naming conventions is DJI to a T

[@definingslawek4731]

@@ThomasShue why would dji relinquish their tech to some lower tier company though? Maybe they’re best friends cause neither of them liked power buttons originally

[@martinrcflyer4089]

Excellent video - top notch reporting. Joshua, can you get answers to these important questions ? 1) do the goggles transmit as well as receive? 2) is this system compatible with existing HD cameras/VTXs/goggles - such as DJI, Caddx, Runcam, Foxeer etc?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The system has variable latency same as DJI, and there are so many other similarities to how DJI works, that I think we can assume the goggles transmit as well as receive. Otherwise it would be a broadcast-based system like HDZero with constant latency. The system is not compatible with any other camera/vtx/goggle. I asked about 3rd party making compatible equipment and Greg did not rule it out, but it will not be compatible with any currently existing system.

[@Maxhotgo]

@@JoshuaBardwell alllready sold my sould to hdzero... this video couldnt change my mind at all... think i bet on the right horse there :)

[@martinrcflyer4089]

Or even use them at an event such as this?

[@itfpv4434]

As a analog pilot this is interesting. For me it will really come down to the pricing and availability of the VTXs, as I enjoy building and current analog options make this easier and cheaper. It is nice to see Greg involved in this as I feel like I haven't seen him in a while. Time will tell how the market takes it. side note - spotted one of my stickers in the abanoned furniture store footage and made my day.

[@MADFlyFpv]

Competition always favors us all. I have just upgrated my drones to digital DJI and for now I would not switch to that solution, but surely due to competition, prices may become more affordable in all brands. Great Fat Shark step, congratulations.

[@pteranodon3946]

I doubt this is real competition. Obviously, this is a product licensed by DJI's grace.

[@jalkingforjesus]

Wow! This is really exciting! I had written off Fatshark, as even though my HDO2s had a nice image, they just had too many compromises and felt stuck in the past compared to goggles like the Sky04X or Orqa. These goggles having a proper OSD shows Fatshark is at least interested in catching up and some of those features seem really cool. I still feel like they have some way to go before I will go back though. Aside from the DVR there were no updates (or even a way of updating AFAIK) for the HDO2s and Fatshark just seemed to treat these goggles as a completely finished product at release, whereas everyone else publishes regular firmware updates (look at the iterations of the Sky04X firmware or even HDzero and the open source announcement). Even when Skyzone added small FOV mode and OSD warning for low battery there was no reaction from Fatshark. There still wasn't even an actual OSD, which just seemed like a base feature every goggle should have had from about the Dominator HDs. And this is really the problem. Even if the system is amazing, I want to see a company that is engaged with the community and continues to drive their product after release, and I just don't feel like that is something Fatshark (or even DJI if that coincidence is correlation - no canvas mode on native DJI still?) have ever done well. I mean, if they were listening these would have had a way of displaying analogue. I get some people are all in on digital and more power to them, but heaps of people still fly whoops and analogue and just assuming we will keep/buy multiple goggles is a bit dismissive. So no pre-order for me, but I do hope this product is the one that changes my mind and I will be watching with interest from the sidelines.

[@marshallfpv392]

As an electronics engineer, this is clearly a DJI chipset and source code. Please post a teardown of the goggles and VTX and we will figure out what is what. Thanks for your transparency in this market.

[@kelvinwolf225]

I just invested in DJI, so I don't think I'll be switching anytime soon. For what it's worth, I am quite impressed with the image quality. The variable latency doesn't scare me either, not even for my high rate freestyle. But to truly rival DJI this needs to have the same or similar range. We also don't know how reliable the system is. Only time will tell for that. I love the form factor over DJI, for sure. I only have one complaint, and that is this could've been the one goggle to rule them all. Having an analog module bay would be great. I still fly analog for racing (nothing against HDZero, I just haven't made the jump yet.) Though I do think that could be unnecessary if this had a fixed latency mode. Perhaps, it's as simple as not requiring retransmissions? I'm not entirely sure how that works, though. If they did, they would win on two fronts: against DJI for freestyle and against HDZero for racing. Hopefully one day they will add that option. Going back to packing only one goggle will be great and I would definitely switch to this if they did.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

I think we need to realize, to keep it small and compact, like analog goggles are, they can't necessarily put the analog tech and the digital tech inside a small, compact goggle. There's more to analog than the than the analog module bay. There probably just isn't room. Plus, no one wants dead technology in their new goggles! 🥴 Most of all, we need get a grip on the FACT that eventually analog will completely die. Completely stop being made! It will happen. It always does. Do we use analog cell phones? Most of us don't even realize there were analog cell phones years ago. I owned a few. Do we still use 8-tracks, cassettes, VHS, CD's, maybe some do, but barely. Laser Discs, VHS-C, HI-8 camcorders, Commodore or Atari computers? No. Same thing will happen with analog FPV. It's up to us, sort of, but it's really not. Working in the electronics business for decades, I've seen these technologies come and completely go. It happens, and it happens completely. Manufacturers see analog sales sag, and then diminish to such low sales, that they discontinue making it because THEY AREN'T S SELLING ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY MONEY. I said it's up to us, somewhat, but it's really not. Sales will sag to a point where manufacturers can't afford to make it anymore. No sales, no money. They are definitely in it to make money. Analog will completely die and completely go away, and we can't stop new technology. It just the way tech works. New tech comes, it's better than the old tech, and the old tech dies. Expect it. 😎🤘

[@shorty430551]

@@KOrnhOliO1 I'm all for killing analog TODAY. What do we do for tiny whoops though? And yes they are an important indoor/ winter time part of FPV. Until digital is small enough for whoops analog and/ or an AV in will be needed. DJI managed to allow for analog without outright supporting it via AV in and I think that's all anyone could really be asking for with these goggles.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@shorty430551 Agreed! The VTX has to go to one single board, and a lower weight. But, I think that might come sooner than we think! I'm not saying analog will die in 2-3 months, more like 2-3 years! The chip shortage kinda slowed it's death. lol But, once manufacturers aren't selling analog parts much, they aren't making money on it, and it will die...like all old tech eventually does. It's simple supply and demand. No demand, supply ends.

[@kelvinwolf225]

@@KOrnhOliO1 Good point that it possibly wouldn't be compact anymore. I don't know much about goggle construction haha. But again, that could be eliminated if they had a fixed latency mode! However, I disagree that analog will die anytime soon. Perhaps the analog market will die in the us, but in countries where some people can't afford digital, analog will remain king. Besides that point, some tech is good enough to stand the test of time for certain use cases. You're right that people stopped using 8 tracks. But every car still has fm radio

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@kelvinwolf225 Sure, every car has FM radio, because it is still current technology...but we must remember...It's all about supply and demand. Manufacturers won't continue to make analog if the demand isn't there. Where is the most demand coming from? I'd guess, the USA, then maybe Europe. So, if digital FPV has, let's say 3 different systems to choose from, I wonder how long it will take before digital FPV in general, has 75% market share? Right now, I've heard reviewers say it already has over 50%, maybe even 60% market share. Heard a few estimate that. So, let do a Bardwell in the future...lol...Let's fast forward 6 months. HDZero's goggles are out and selling well...Dominator goggles are out and killing it...The DJI V3 FPV system is out and also selling a lot. Sure, analog is still available, but not too many are buying analog with 3 great digital systems to choose from, and most all of the new products, and therefore reviews coming out, are for some kind of digital FPV product. What do you guess digital's market share to be in 6 months with these not yet available systems being out for some time now? If market share is now at, let's be conservative and say 50%, with 3 new digital FPV options, conservatively 75%?? So, future Bardwell is now one year ahead of today. lol Another digital FPV system is now out. Not something we know about now. How is analog doing if digital is now at 85% market share and few USA and European buyers are purchasing anything analog? Who knows for sure, but you can see my point. The demand in lesser affluent countries will make little difference! They aren't the ones pushing the current demand for analog FPV. So, even if they are buying analog like hot cakes, will that be enough sales for manufacturers to make enough money on analog to continue offering it for sale? Maybe...just barely? Maybe I'm completely off base and it will continue to sell well through 2025. I just doubt the demand will be there to continue the supply of analog. We have little control over the future of technology. All old tech dies, when new tech becomes so popular, that old tech no longer makes manufacturers enough money. Supply & demand. We'll have to see... :)

[@KOFPV]

This is really exciting. This makes me want to switch to digital. To have a company that actually cares about us making it makes a big difference to me.

[@mikeallenfpv]

Yeah, I’d much rather have Fatshark succeed with this and be under their care rather than DJI. I’m rooting for them to knock it out of the park and I think we all should be regardless of where we stand!

[@creationlabsinc.189]

@@mikeallenfpv care? I’ve flown Dji for over a year flawlessly. When I had an issue with a screen I sent them in got them fixed and received them 2 weeks later. No company actually cares about you bro. Lol

[@mikeallenfpv]

​@@creationlabsinc.189 I've had my FatShark HDO2s for almost 3 years and never had a screen issue. I've never had to send them in for anything. So there's that. I'm not naive, but thanks for looking out, my guardian angel! Now fuck off :)

[@ScowlerJase]

@@mikeallenfpv you’ll be disappointed then when it comes out and you see it’s DJI guts.

[@mikeallenfpv]

@@ScowlerJase Nothing in my comment suggested that I was actually against DJI. I just think it's better for FPV to have a FPV focused company involved. Relax guys, I'm sorry I said something nice about Fatshark.

[@michaelcamden1]

OMD i'm so excited..... I was sooooo disappointed when the Orqua came out as just another analog goggle and we all thought they were going to have Digital baked in with an analog bay. If these are digital baked in and an analog bay I'm buying them strair away. If not then I'm staying analog

[@JanDaliba]

Same here. I do not want dji dji, but if there will be new company in ecosystem this can change my mind. But I still have little hopes this will be new ecosystem with dji image quality and possibly open for more vtx manufacturers :D

[@ZenoMinus]

They clearly said no analog bay in it! Sorry.

[@kawasuby]

I will buy these because they are built for the community and frankly to support a good company

[@MrD]

"This is not DJI" It must have smelt like you were in a cattle farm when Greg said that😆 These goggles do look interesting. But I personally I am disappointed in a few things. No analogue is a bad move. Who can afford to put digital on everything? What about other frequencies. Saying to use a second set of goggles is really a cop out. I also can't help but wonder if that OSD may fall over. No disrespect to quad pilots. But building the canvas OSD with BetaFlight is really going for the lowest common denominator. An acro quad OSD is pretty much empty. What will happen with that OSD when it's hooked up to iNav and has a decent amount of OSD elements, including an AHI? Will that have OSD lag like HDZero is suffering from at the moment? Time will tell I guess. Thanks for the video Joshua. It's just a shame about all the cloak and dagger stuff from the parties involved.

[@OCDRex11]

Ha ha, I knew it! I kept asking JB in his live casts what other digital options are coming and never received a response. Doesn't mean that he alone holds all the answers but it kind of makes me feel like my hunch was real. I held off on buying a complete DJI setup because of this feeling I had and I am glad I held out! This will be the new standard and DJI is gonna need to pay attention - aka, copy the 1080 and OSD. I'll bet DJI V3 has this.

[@cbrrunner3656]

I just got the DJI system a year ago and its been great... This looks like something else I'm gonna have to get into as well... just hoping that they are forward compatible with any new VTX systems that come out. $160 per drone for VTXs is getting hard on the wallet. We need more open architecture before the price on any of these things come down.

[@835FPV]

Yeah, I bought DJI v2 Goggles with the intent to switch all my stuff to digital, but use my analog module in it more than the digital at this point. Either I can't afford to make everything digital or it's too heavy for the build. I'm still going to move in the digital direction, but it will take a lot longer than I planned.

[@DeadAndGoneSD]

I'm excited but was hoping it would have analog capabilities as well so I wouldn't have to switch my whole setup. I like the look of them and also setup of how everything is tho, will probably pull the plug on these soon as I can

[@LalapopApple]

Cant wait to buy a used cheap V2 when other buy the new v3 :D Looking forward to ur honest rewiev of the New One 👍

[@cloudpandarism2627]

whats the reason you now just buy v3?

[@LalapopApple]

@@cloudpandarism2627 Money....the Lack of Money 😉 🤣

[@cloudpandarism2627]

@@LalapopApple geeez. if i get the V3 and its perfect i give you the V2 for free. haha

[@LalapopApple]

@@cloudpandarism2627 yeah and i will send U some Money for free, Sounds Like win/win 🤣

[@cloudpandarism2627]

@@LalapopApple genius! 😂

[@volodymyryurovych7264]

I fly with this googles last 2 years.. and can recommend it to everyone👍

[@Gosuminer]

What I think happened: DJI rebranded the DJI FPV System to "Avatar", licensed it to Caddx, Caddx developed a new air unit, Fatshark and Walksnail cooperated to develop a headset with a Caddx receiver. Win-win: DJI can focus on expensive, unrepairable drones and get revenue from licenses and Fatshark can avoid becoming obsolete. Meanwhile everyone denies DJI is involved.

[@definingslawek4731]

Are dji drones unrepairable? I don’t have any so I don’t know, but a stranger I met told me he broke an arm multiple times and has replaced it along with motor on his mavic

[@adrianrenner2574]

@@definingslawek4731 he exaggerated to make his point clear of course you can repair your dji drone but the parts are quite expensive and only to a certain point available plus its a pricey and time consuming service to send the drone to dji so they can repair it for you to sum it up: dji drones aren't made to be crashed often

[@MatteoMi]

I doubt it, any licence needs to be stated somewhere on the final product, it would be stupid to lie to everyone's face when at some point this would come out. Also, I mean.. why deny it? It's not "dishonouring" to work with DJI after all :D

[@Symbio123]

Hi, I am re-entering this hobby after 7 year's. So much has changed. The whole digital thing is new to me and I will definitely be buying a digital system. I'm glad there will be an alternative to DJI but I hope this system is going to be better or as good as the DJI's system.

[@Mxoderberg]

All the words in the menu are exactly the same words as in DJI. And "low power mode unable to record video" is the biggest DJI hint

[@TheSzymonc]

@15:23 Love that look on JB face. Greg seems like he is explaining himself to his father trying to hide his little secret :)

[@eatyourvegfpv]

Being lied to from Day One isn't a good sign for the future... Shows how much DJI and Fat Shark care about actual customers.

[@definingslawek4731]

Why didn’t he just say no comment ?

[@billywiggins9312]

I’m excited to hear more about these goggles.

[@DennisSattler]

So excited to learn more about them however I'm reluctant to pre-order any thing since there is a chance that DJI could drop a third generation goggle on us at anytime and that's what I would like to know more about too.

[@zaukko1401]

@@rinkadink404 lol

[@SkylabFlightSystems]

I’m betting this is the next gen of DJI without the DJI branding. This is a logical step in side stepping an outright ban of DJI products. There are several groups inside our government pushing for this openly. Licensing the tech to another company is a smart business decision in that it also diversifies their revenue stream further while cutting marketing costs. They don’t care about the clout that comes with changing the game because they already have it. Without such a deal, Fat Shark would have likely disappeared from the market entirely. So it’s a win for both companies. My only issue is the lack of transparency, if this is all true. I could be 100% wrong and maybe I am. Time will tell.

[@hunterbodell1129]

This is the third Gen dji gogg lol

[@DennisSattler]

I don't think DJI would release anything to anyone with so unfinished firmware.

[@FastLaneFPV]

I was a day away from purchasing the DJI Goggle. If Fatshark are working with them, then that changes everything! It's a major investment for a fpv pilot, I would think there would be more transparency. I'm so unsure in the future of this product, the updates and support. I'd like to think it's all ok because its Fatshark. Im not disappointed or anything, im actually not surprised at all. Thanks for peeling the skin back on the situation 🙏

[@banabread1113]

I am really confused about the digital part of the fpv market. I have been flying FPV for 8-9 years now and my first experience was with connex hd. A system that you cant find anymore. Now I am happily flying with DJI HD and analog (which I still enjoy). The problem I see with digital FPV is the segmentation in the market. Everybody can make an analog vtx and vrx if they want to, there is now even an opensource backing for it. With digital fpv you get locked into an ecosystem and if support for that closed ecosystem stops it dies off. This cost the pilots more money and produces a lot of ewaste. I am still running my hd2's from quite a while back and have been through receiver modules that made them better over time. In short I am afraid off closed ecosystems and the cost this brings with it. I would love to see an hd system which can be implemented by everyone just like ELRS is now for the radio link. I think the future is opensource but someone will need to byte the bullet to make opensource hd happen.

[@Freebird_67]

OpenHd is certainly a thing. I fly it on most my Fixedwing models and DJI on my quads since the OSD sucks.

[@TheDro]

does the family ever walk in on you talking to the fridge?

[@quadage5166]

For me video quality-range-latency matters in that order, so video quality seems to be great, latency is good as well but what about the range, i cant wait to see more in depth testing :D

[@Wastelessplague]

yes as a predominantly fixed wing pilot that order is also what i am looking for good range is a must

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Exactly why I NEVER, EVER pre-order anything! I want to see all of the reviews that will eventually come out in droves! Got to know all of the info to make a good decision. Plus, the firmware needs to be improved and finished ... We heard him say that. What if they have issues with that, and it never gets fully done. Continually has bugs? A year goes by and it's still not fixed? I don't want to buy into that...

[@Freebird_67]

New regulations will kill all this within the next year or so so why worry? They are designing these systems around quad pilots and racing or freestyle close proximity flying, NOT long range. All FS and HDzero or even DJI needs is FAA and FCC on their as $

[@quadage5166]

@@Wastelessplague Yes range is extremely important, thta gives you actually that freedom :D But that is also the question for who are this googles designed for, becouse when it is for racesr and freestail quad pilots i would not expect a good range.

[@quadage5166]

@@Freebird_67 Well then there are also other options, custom antennas, hacks, anteanna trackers and so on :D or 4G/5G connection including video link but yeah the latency is huge only for antonomous vehicles. And in US i would say it is still pretty good but here in EU it is worse, for example DJI have much more strictly limits here almost for everything including even action camera temperature limit which is here only about 40°C and in US is more then 60°C :D

[@a84758]

I still fly analog, for a few reasons; DJI goggles cost around twice my current analog setup, (attitude v6 tbs triumph pro, true rc mxair²) and I can get an excellent analog video system in my quad for less than half of what a vista and DJI cam costs. I've flown DJI a few times, and the goggles just feel very cumbersome, and although the image quality is incredible, the stutters throw me off. I'm very excited to see how this new digital system from fatshark develops, I think it will be a game changer. Thanks for the great review, Joshua👌👍

[@mitchpalmer721]

Please be DJI or something that competes with it, as much as you might hate them, you know they are the best;)

[@MrParacer]

I'm still on the fence about going to HD. But glad to see fat shark catching up. I've been running dom 3 for 4 or 5 years. I am keeping my eyes on what's new, thanks for keeping me up to date.

[@randomfpv22]

My bet is that it has analog, dji, hdzero , and sharks with magnet mounted laser beams attached to their heads

[@TimBass]

If it's anything less I'm going to be disappointed now. Laser beams would be a gamechanger, lol

[@DrMacca]

I'm not trusting a magnet mounted laser beam, I'm going to wait for Brain3D to make a TPU mount. For the laser. On the shark.

[@Deserthacker]

Do the sharks auto-aim? Seems a bit unfair to be honest

[@wrstew1272]

If there were Emmys or Oscars for Utube videos, this should be the first presentation! What a game changer. Great first look at a new project that is being done by a company that has a proven record of being pilot driven. Damn- from my first HKing box goggles to this Lamborghini! Wanna buy a cherry set of HDs……? Stellar Video JB

[@RecursionLabs]

These goggles seem like a huge miss, and the primary issue is being overlooked. High quality mode is 60fps@1080p, and low latency mode is 120fps@720p (same as current DJI tech). Where this falls downhill is the fact the OLED panels chosen are 90hz, which is BAD. DJI picked 120hz panels for a reason. 120hz for 120fps means perfect sync, and 60fps is also a perfect sync because it's double the frame rate. 90hz means you'll never see anything above 90fps, but since 120fps is coming in then you'll be out of sync and need to either hold back frames (introducing latency and lowering the frame rate below 90fps), or have screen tearing. For 60hz this is still a problem, and with holding back frames you'll get between 45 - 55 or so FPS since the sync would never match. This is why with VR technology when the frame rate goes below the panel refresh rate, the systems always half the frame rate so the image stays in sync. This is a huge problem, and a huge downgrade for 120fps low latency users of the current DJI system.

[@jpsalis]

if they have a variable refresh rate panel, this is a nonissue

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Some of your info is wrong. Current DJI HQ mode is not 1080. It's 720, 60 fps while Low Latency is 720, 120 fps. DJI FPV system does not do 1080p at all.

[@RecursionLabs]

@@JoshuaBardwell When I said HQ mode I was referring to the new Caddx/Fatshark system (120fps@720 is where I was saying it was the same as current DJI tech), since the new 1080p 60 seems to replace the current 720p HQ mode. On paper this seems to be the same technology as the current DJI system (putting the goggles themselves aside), except HQ mode has a higher resolution. I'd bet money if you opened it up you'd see the same chips in a single board configuration. I'm a bit annoyed when Caddx promised Canvas mode they'd save it for these instead of the current stack though.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The 1080 and 720 settings do not replace the low latency and high quality setting. They are independent.

[@RecursionLabs]

@@JoshuaBardwell Is still 60fps high quality 720p? Is there a lower latency 1080p option?

[@thjelmfelt]

Exciting to have a 3rd digital system to compete and drive the hobby further. I'm shocked that there was no info presented on the VTX. How big is it? How much does it weigh? How many antennas does it have? Will it require new flight controllers? How much voltage? Is it 20x20, whoop or 30x30? Looks like the VTX and camera will cost about the same as a Polar so GetFPV answered one of my questions.

[@thjelmfelt]

FYI: On Bubby's video he said the VTX / Camera was 19g and the mounting holes were 25x25. So lighter than an Air or Vista and Mounting will work for whoops but might be a challenge on other frames.

[@Latchfpv]

Looks incredibly promising. I would like to get a good idea of what it's like to fly in the 1080p mode with the added latency. Additionally I want to know weight and what sort of system is needed to run it basically. I like dabbling with both micros and larger quads. Now I really want to see what that DJI one is all about and if it will be based on the same tech.

[@DoctorrMetal]

Didn't you see the VTX at 2:00 min?

[@danysainz-gootenberg7809]

1080p mode has existed from the start on DJI system, everything is a copy or licensed. Fatshark is just a marketing shell corp at this point.

[@Chris-xo2rq]

They mention 40ms... my DJI system hovers between 30 and 40 usually and it's completely fine for freestyle flying. I'm looking forward to 1080p if they can deliver it at 40ms.

[@Latchfpv]

@@Chris-xo2rq Yeah, for me, that'd be amazing as well.

[@starmanmcfly2752]

cool beans, back to the real fpv companies. I still rock my hd2's biggest for of fat shark analog at the time......they still work but now I want the new deal. I was so hesitant to give dpi any money for fpv gear. I do however still think dpi is my go to for cinematic rigs like the inspire and matrix. That being said....I am so stoked to hear Fat Shark is back and competing where they should be. Yee haw man, take my money!

[@baggszilla]

Thanks JB! I myself am going to wait to see how this develops. I'll give it a year or 2 to make my decision. I'm excited tho for sure. Cheers!

[@jacobblomdahl557]

Same here, I'll be waiting patiently for a while until more products come out. I run analog now because digital systems are just so out of my price range that I don't want to commit to any system until I am very confident it will continue to be supported

[@Freebird_67]

@@jacobblomdahl557 I have plenty of The DJI v1 goggles for sale.

[@jacobblomdahl557]

@@Freebird_67 how can I get in touch with you?

[@NathanLanchbury]

Hrmmm, I do love HDZero, but a HD system from a dedicated FPV manufacturer that will continue to support the product is certainly something to consider. Plus now we'll have twice the amount of 5.8GHz noise in the air, HDZero image is just going to get worse. A real shame analogue hasn't been considered, have they got a whoop board coming?

[@Deathdezine]

Video looks great, and having the full betaflight interface will be nice but for the cost being about the same as DJI ( $599 goggles, $159 vtx) I don’t see the point in switching from DJI just yet.

[@Freebird_67]

Me either

[@Freebird_67]

But I do like canvas mode

[@brianscoob69]

From what I'm getting from this thread: FS is using DJI technology and FS will be taking this tech and tweaking it for the FPV racing community. DJI doesn't take requests to better their product for this subset of users and FS will do everything they can to get users what they want performance wise. Sounds like a win-win for us as FS is in this for the long haul as this is what they do. Look at computers each part is basically licensed to subcontract company. Plug in a bunch of sub parts and you have a HP or whatever, hopefully this will all come together better for us in the end whoever's name is on it. Keep us informed JB.

[@GardoRotor]

Ok now let's root all my "airunits" so they work with this hot-ness

[@classGfpv]

Don't care who makes it. Looks sick, 1080p and that's all I care about. Can't wait!

[@clean1566]

Glad to see Fatshark back in the game. Definitely love the form factor over Dji. But my analog quads outnumber digital, and still can't afford another set of goggles, so I'm sticking with HDZero, to fly both. Yes, I think it's better than HDZero video, but they've advanced at an incredible rate, so I'm rooting for HDZero.

[@cementkidd]

this is a beautiful thing. I have been waiting for this. excited to get them and watch the tech grow in the community. 👍👍

[@Jusbcauz-nj2jw]

Happy to see Fat Shark stepping into the ring, I've been waiting for someone to come out with competition for DJI. Maybe next step whoop size receiver's, got my fingers crossed.

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

This goggle doesn't work with HDzero?

[@aerialhorizonrc7827]

You still using DJI Tech aka fork.

[@brandongroves4465]

Joshua is the proof that hard work pays off. And you can too

[@gilowens5785]

Recently purchased V2’s and 3 Vistas. So, I’m going to fly this DJI gear for a season but, I’m definitely down to try the FatShark product. My HDO’s worked flawlessly. They were one piece of gear I felt comfortable with knowing they were just going to work every time I plugged them in. I really appreciate your content

[@davet2563]

These are DJI 🤷‍♂️

[@gilowens5785]

@@davet2563 well, the DJI’s have been 100% so far too so. It looks like they may be third party. I just assumed FS manufactured these particular goggles.

[@ValleyFPV]

Nice goggles but that's only half of the system.. tell me more about the VTX and camera. What's the power output and range? Why would anyone consider pre ordering without knowing more info on the vtx and camera. I think this will be a great system...in a year when it's available and on shelves and the bugs are worked out.

[@JekleFPV]

On one hand, it’s definitely an improvement on DJI as it is currently. But for example not supporting analog at all is once again a pain in the rear. Even assuming FS will deliver everything they are promising, if I’m putting my money behind anything right now it’s still HDzero, and will continue to do so at the very least until we get the HDzero goggles. Btw, how ridiculous is it that we haven’t had this kind of power button on every single goggle out there?

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Probably just as simple as the analog tech wouldn't fit in a compact case that gave us digital goggles the same size as we're used to with our analog goggles. There's more to analog than the module. Plus, that module bay takes up quite a bit of room! I think that's the reason. 😎🤘

[@wilsonhead2980]

@@KOrnhOliO1 you have no idea a video input does not take up any space

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@wilsonhead2980 Ha! I was in the electronics biz for over 35 years! Yes, I do have an idea! And, a video input DOES take up space, especially when the product is as small as a pair of FPV goggles! Maybe almost no space is apparent on the outside, but look on the inside! You have to have the circuitry, board, and the back side of the input, all inside the case!

[@wilsonhead2980]

@@KOrnhOliO1 in so long and you didn't learn anything that wasted

[@wilsonhead2980]

@@KOrnhOliO1 you realize you don't know what you're talking about because fatshark is only an assembler for that reason they didn't even put a video input they just pasted their brand this is not their development 😂

[@DirtyCrossBalisong]

IMO it doesn't look like the next big thing. Especially if you're using DJI V2 goggles it doesn't make sense to switch. You even lose 30fps. But let's see what the future brings

[@ultragoyim1270]

a new product worth competing against in the space, so DJI can finally release their new product per usual 😎

[@MrOmin13]

I fly whoops, I also have a 3 inch and a 4 inch HD quad, It was all LOS at first. The main reasons I bought into the DJI goggles over Fat Shark were 1. I had no FPV hardware previous to the purchase and the buy in cost was the same. 2. DJI was readily available on the used market since everyone was trying to get into the 2.0 goggles. 3. Both analogue and digital are supported. With 2 bits of extra hardware I can have both signals on one set of goggles. At this point if I want to upgrade I need to be able to incorporate both ecosystems in a new headset and replace what I currently have. I understand that digital is the future, but at there are going to be times where it isn't feasible to run one system over the other, and having both options is great. The upgraded screen is fantastic, same with the new features and being able to have the full BF OSD. The issue I have with Dominator HD Is there no option for analogue, and for the company to assume im gonna have another pair of goggles is ridiculous. Ill be sticking with DJI for now.

[@mauriciohvargas]

Finally the googles I was waiting for to switch digital, portable form factor, nice design , and with at least the DJI image quality. Great job

[@nbchowning]

I'm still waiting on Orqa. This system seems exciting but two things: - I don't like the way those goggles look - I wanna see the VTX Ok fine, 3 things - Can fatshark not think of a better name? lol

[@definingslawek4731]

I thought these were analogue size but they look quite thick and seemingly a bit larger too compare to analogue goggles. My skyzones are so slim. Dji goggles are huge tho so the slimming is nice. I feel a little bad tho as it seems dji will abandon v2 by stopping production of vistas and making the new vistas incompatible with v2

[@RCSurf]

def dji , i want one, my dji goggles are heavy and bulky, if this is a lightweight dji capable with fatshark ocular focusing adjustments in the headset its a game changer.

[@definingslawek4731]

They do look significantly larger than analogue goggles, but a lot smaller than dji

[@RCSurf]

@@definingslawek4731 DJI is more of a box goggle , this one is def more fatshark goggle, but its the optics suite , being able to adjust the diopter focus is big. but i dont think caddx vista will be compatible so ill stick with my $560 DJI ones, hopefully now that the code has been shared canvas mode will come to DJI

[@crazicat]

Very exited! Have been holding out for something that feels better to me than DJI or HDzero. But am not liking the lack of info on this system. I guess this is a prototype but only a glimpse of the VTX? How big and how much power does it need, what kind of camera, even the preorder for the VTX does not mention a camera at $159. And if the partner is a big FPV company why do they have to be secret?

[@aerialhorizonrc7827]

DJI was blacklisted by the US government. So now they gave them the license and specs and secrets to FatShark to continue making money behind the scene in the USA.

[@seewell8168]

So hard to believe him that this isn’t DJI hardware. Wouldn’t shock me if Caddx was also given the DJI goggle hardware the same time as the Vista & Air Unit deal but didn’t know what to do with it. Enter Fat Shark.

[@Maxhotgo]

when he was telling the camera it has nothing to do with DJI he was so nervously looking to the right... i dont believe him...

[@definingslawek4731]

@@Maxhotgo his word on this does not matter to be honest. The Ui elements are identical. There is even a setting for focus mode. If they made it themselves they wouldn’t copy the Ui 1:1 and they would name focus mode something else. 4 antennas too with the rpsma. And the recordings being named avatar, you saw and know it all though. Why lie though. Just say no comment, right ?

[@PRZFPV]

I am only using dji since I personally have no need for analog. I feel like it’s too soon to say I will need this new digital system. But foe what its worth, its great to see other companies like fatshark immerse itself in the digital market. Hopefully we’ll see some great improvements that will be a deal breaker for those using dji or those in analog waiting to switch

[@dutchfpv7010]

I agree. This is what the market needs. A market. More players, options, features and competition. I mostly race and fixed low latency is a must. I've opted to stick with analog for now because what I've witnessed from HDZ in a racing environment is still too inconsistent and unpredictable. But for the times I'm not racing I def want HD, or 4K or 8K. Bring it, LOL. This very cool and very feature-laden system now offers me a new set of options. 1080P HD in a very cool goggle package, backed by Fatshark's reputation and service. The VTX and cam seem smaller and neater too. And the price isn't terrible either. There's still more to know, but I already love what this represents for the hobby.

[@slappomatthew]

Looks pretty good. Lots of mystery, lack of analog or even the option to have a av input sucks hard. I just upgraded to hdo1 from dom v2, so I’m not going to buy a new goggle yet but when this is released if it is the standard I will probably buy a set once the kinks are sorted

[@beaudupre191]

Exciting, enjoying HD Zero right now, but time will tell.

[@prestofpv2935]

Pumped for the reveal!

[@jana171]

I am stoked about this... they fixed all OSD kinks that DJI had, and still do, they fixed the grainy display HD Zero has, and all of that from a company that is truly FPV centric, so we know they wil pick up community vibes... And on top of all that, they included adjustments for eye sight that actually include old boys like me. ** For sure this will be my next set of goggles **

[@Maxbl4]

Are you kidding? This is so obviously DJI, just with lightly rebranded UI. I think there several points here: * DJI decided to completely drop FPV and were looking where to dump it * Fatshark was able to get it. Which is great. We have a FPV first company controlling DJI FPV system * Fatshark is doing very childish move to try and draw this as their own invention. I have only one reason for this: they want to sell new air units "incompatible" with "old" unit. With would be 100% bullshit, since it's the same air protocol. I'm 90% sure DJI will not give them full sources for transmission ASICs * So we get very buggy and low quality clone of DJI, with tons of issues for same price as DJI. But with hope for future development I will wait at least a year to see how they develop it, before buying. Pre ordering now is crazy

[@kwikam]

So true

[@issachao9616]

From your information, can it be understood that, for reasons that cannot be told to the public, a dead shell company is used to sell a cloned product? Most consumers who don't know the truth are the same being fooled. My local retailer showed me their Fatshark retailer's account, there is no action in the last two years. Somebody said they are finished for both of them. After seeing this product on the market, I decided to sell all my DJI products at a low price.

[@Freebird_67]

Agreed

[@luisbeckreinau2499]

Great video and its vibe really suites the inspection of the goggle. I can't think of the last time in history where consumers has had so much hope for a company to succeed in the journey to go digital ... but for now I'll still rock my modded DJI's

[@PortalFPV]

I'm happy someone is actually coming (back) into the market and giving us a product that will seriously nip and the heels of DJI. Competition will always drive innovation. Am I ready to switch...No. I have a good back stock of original caddx vista's and am happy with the current setup. I wish DJI had full OSD and a power button and better analog integration and maybe oled screens. Fatshark seems to have all that, except for the lack of ANY analog, and his kind of rude answer "I'm sure they have a set of analog laying around". I don't want two pairs of goggles when I travel!

[@JoshFisk]

It is a DJI based system, Greg admits in this video they are not spearheading the development on this system.

[@Rip1Outdoors]

I'm happy for the Analog folks that have been waiting for this.

[@MiguelBernadin]

It's digital rather than analog for this new goggles

[@dogfpv401]

Very interesting and awesome job JB. I was thinking of pre-ordering as I prefer the non DJI ecosystem, but I'm having a hard time squaring the comment about this being separate from DJI given the "coincidence" in the names (Avata vs Avatar) mentioned at the end. Too many unanswered questions to get on the bandwagon just yet.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Exactly!

[@ls4life544]

As a analog user who is not happy with poor pictures quality, I am excited to see this product. From what I saw in the video, the video quality es great, the futuristic style of the goggle and the fact that is not bulky makes it very appealing. I hope the build quality es strong and considering that this is the beginning, I can only expect there is room for many improvement like range and latency improvements. The big question mark is price and the supporting pieces like the vtx, camara and antenna that were not discussed on the video. But I am excited and ready to switch to a digital system.