FATAL ACCIDENT: What caused it? - AQP Grassroots: Pt. 4

[@specforged5651]

You’re completely correct when you say the airlines operate differently and that is why it doesn’t happen to them. As the captain of a Challenger 350 and G550 it is different ballgame, but in my personal Cirrus I’ve done exactly what you are talking about with your DMMS speed. Seems a little odd for a high time jet pilot (12,400hrs) to be putting a piece of tape on his backup airspeed right? If you think that, then you are one of the people who just may end up a statistic one day.....myself included. That is exactly why that piece of tape is on my backup airspeed. Sure, I can read it off the gauge very quickly , but with the actual visual reference, a quick glance and I know where I’m at and can focus back on other tasks in one or two seconds. Becomes especially helpful in a busy terminal environment. NOBODY is too good or has too much experience to not add a simple reference on their panel and take every safety advantage they possibly can. A good pilot is always looking to learn, grow and incorporate anything to increase safety....no matter their experience. Thank you, and keep up the good work!

[@airwipe1639]

Captain Khan Well said, Capt!

[@cateyesaerial7703]

Yep. Well said.

[@dangryder3763]

@@cateyesaerial7703 Well said CatEyes Aerial!

[@Fitness4ever460]

Actually he's NOT completely correct when he says airlines operate differently. It DOES happen to them and they've embarked on an aggressive campaign to reduce low speed events and strongly promote the parameters of stable approach.

[@dangryder3763]

@@Fitness4ever460 The theme of airlines and heavy corporate is to 1) Define boundaries 2) Honor boundaries I am sorry but GA does not do that. Airlines theme is prevention (Its all they got) GA theme is strong recovery skill set.

[@austinblake4079]

Been instructing full time for about 3 months now, this video is invaluable to me and will definitely be incorporating in my teaching from now on.

[@elcastorgrande]

If you save one life, you've saved a whole world. Great job, Josh.

[@mdhsabh]

Never saw that quote before. Then, yesterday, I heard it the first time. Then today, I see your post. Good quote, spooky coincidence! Wow.

[@zachary3352]

As a future pilot who hasn't quite started training yet, I really appreciate these videos. Having AQP principles in my head from the very beginning of my training is going to be hugely beneficial. Thanks, Josh!

[@zachary3352]

@John Cena Thank you!

[@wakeuppeople7327]

If you start. Are sure you can fly 3-4x a week I was strapped for cash so it took longer. In doing so we would have to redo couple old lessons. If you can find a pilot and share the cost of flight time called hood time. Flying instruments you both can log the time one is PIC other is lookout. Still counts Both do landings. Great for X-country trips to get under your belt. Today with gps it’s easy. Back in 90’s it was all dead reckoning. Good luck.

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

Enjoy just getting your ppl. Now that airlines will be continuing to furlough pilots, that “pilot shortage” is a thing of the past for at least the next 5-10 yrs. air travel is expected to decreases by 45-52% in terms of airlines, part 91 regionals and 121 majors.

[@hegarty134]

As a new private pilot, I reference to myself all the time that airspeed is KING. Knowing my DMMS is a "no brainer" lesson that should be taught to everyone; student, new or experienced. Your most important video yet.

[@hons3543]

I am not a pilot and due to my age (79), just enjoy the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. I learn so much by watching real-life videos. I stand in awe of you guys!

[@midlifeppl4969]

Hi Josh, now I have seen you and Flight Chops carry Dan’s very important message. He could not have picked a more respected member of the aviation community to start this very worthwhile campaign - long may it continue. We need a platform here in the UK to carry this vital message too.

[@drinkpetrol9284]

Wow, this is aviation gold. Thank you guys for this!

[@rikspector]

Josh, You will save lives, you have 201 k subscribers, many are pilots or have friends who are pilots. Communication is the key to success and that is what this is all about. Great Job! Cheers, Rik Spector

[@Matt-mo8sl]

A good watch. 340 hour private pilot here who hasn't flown much at all over the last 5 or so years and now with a pandemic, the place i rent from has closed its doors. This was a very informative video and I'll watch this again and again to freshen up for when I do get back in the left seat somewhere else when all the restrictions are lifted. '

[@pdawdy]

This may be the most important aviation video I have ever watched.

[@jrgfox]

I’m a student pilot so take this for what it’s worth but I watched a video of a DPE talking about how a lot of people don’t think of or pay attention to wind direction on the turn from downwind to base. Depending on how you are entering the pattern you may have a tailwind on your base leg in some situations so it’s important to keep that in mind as it negates airspeed.

[@JD_SoarZ]

Speed is life. This is why we have a minimum maneuvering speed just like Dan says. That DMMS (Defined Minimum Maneuvering Speed)

[@ronbenjamin4351]

Thank you for caring and sharing!!!! You guys are saving lives. I’m a a 400 hour private pilot and man Dino wish I learned or at leases discussed during my training!!! Always a student!! Thank you

[@markkonstan3671]

Having lost a close friend to a stall spin on final I applaud your work here, keep the push going.

[@danmccarthy2213]

I love that quote, "Step one, SAVE YOUR LIFE push forward!"....to convey the most information with the least amount of words is paramount! and you did it! "Step 1, SAVE YOUR LIFE, PITCH DOWN!"...

[@MrValjester]

The Bible say: Attend to thine airspeed lest the ground rise up and smite thee.

[@Shane2020xxx]

You're very right, but how do we close that gap? The more I think about it, the more I think non-gliders might benefit from an audio feedback device constantly indicating slower airspeeds relative to stall, that they could turn on or off for pattern situations. For those not familiar, gliders have a little tone generator that goes lower (BeeeOOOOUUU) when they are sinking and higher (BaawweeEEEEE) when they are climbing. This is of course because gliders need to be very, very aware if they are successfully catching an updraft, climbing or sinking all the time without having to constantly shift their eyes from the horizon to the altimeter and VSI. But... do GA pilots NOT need this? The fatal speed situations suggests they DO. So maybe a tone generator that comes on for airspeed, maybe anytime you're under V_so * 1.3 that gets more and more urgent the slower you get towards stalling. It's like extending the stall horn, the problem is the stall horn tells you when you're like, one second from stalling. I can see how hearing the stall horn all at once for someone task saturated and not expecting it could add to the freezing up, deer in headlights phenomenon instead of the needed PUSH FORWARD RIGHT NOW reflex. Hearing a tone that starts off kind of relaxed when you are sinking below V_so *1.29 and gets downright urgent as you get to V_so*1.1 might cause a whole cognitive shift that mentally preps pilots to take action before it's too urgent and too late. Options are loud in-cabin or maybe less loud in headphones so as not to interact with passengers.

[@neocor2000]

Shane Wegner Years ago when I started skydiving , we weren’t allowed to use dytters , ie sound warning for altitude awareness until 50 jumps. I think this should be similar for flying and trained in

[@practicalintuition4030]

@@Shane2020xxx Why would you dive into a whole essay? He was making a joke, you comedian deficient dork.

[@Shane2020xxx]

Oh no, call the internet police. I think it's a serious topic and brainstorming about new feedback loops that could prevent fatalities is worthwhile. You being excessively irritable about which exact comment such brainstorming is attached to is your problem. Sorry if your real life is hard enough right now that you need to lash out on the internet for people not being as comedic as you want.

[@ItsNotAllRainbows_and_Unicorns]

"The Bible say' Damn, I looked through old testament and couldn't find the verse. It must be in the new testament.

[@edb7742]

Just found this and it's probably one of the most important videos you've made! Thank you.

[@seattlekiddoc]

This has been the best of the series. Thanks for presenting the MMS, I’ve had this labeled on my ASI and have definitely used it on go-around and on base to final multiple times.

[@muhanguzimichael4475]

this is so helpful..am going to add this to my CPL lessons. 1. save your life 2. pitch for best glide 3. decide what to do thankyou.

[@dogacari3417]

Josh! An incredible job you're doing by taking action to possibly stop deadly accidents occur due to seconds of life dependent decisions. As a beginner pilot and ultimately a solo-world-flight hoper, I appriciate your effort on every single part of this series. I'm definetely taking all these as a lesson to go over and over! Keep up informing brand new pilots! Thanks.

[@topaviator]

I appriciate your work Captain

[@lynnkramer1211]

Thank you and Dan and others for getting the word out about these skills and concepts. It is having an effect. I heard my instructor mention DMMS this morning and that triggered a long and stimulating discussion. Someday this will be standard for evaluating students and pilots.

[@jgnderitu]

I sure hope AQP catches on in the GA world. I am a (very) low-time PPL and I have found these videos to be very helpful. Deeply appreciate the work you are doing.

[@captmulch1]

Nice to see Dan instructing!!

[@madmikemackas]

I respect what you and Dan are doing for the GA community immensely, brother. Keep it up 👍🏻

[@joemoore1577]

I’ve been told on flight reviews before that I recover too aggressively from stalls (getting light in the seat). I personally think more about angle of attack vs. airspeed in stall recovery. Even though you might not have the exact angle of attack number, you know that it needs to be decreased fairly rapidly to recover from a stall.

[@michaelmaylone9431]

I feel that you are a very good instructor and have a very positive and constructive way of instructing new and experienced pilots. I would fly with you anytime, anywhere and know I would learn from you so I would become a better pilot!!

[@TheAwesomeWizardDude]

Some of the best and most informative aviation content ever made. I will continue to model my flying and instruction after yours and I look forward to more of these videos.

[@collinreesejones5525]

Dan is the MAN! Always enjoy seeing him! 😎

[@pinnedit]

First thing my instructor tells me when there is an engine power loss or a stall. “Maintain control of the airplane “ before you try to add power or do anything else . I’m glad to have such an experienced instructor(Ex Air Force b52 pilot in Vietnam and commercial pilot with thousands of hours) .

[@KevinW8BRY]

Thanks for the video as a soon to be student pilot and firefighter its important we learn from the past. Love this grass roots movement.

[@paulbergman8228]

This series has been one of the best on air safety ever! A good reference set of videos is the Rich Stowell series on various spin entries and how to avoid them/just how easy it is to get caught off guard and get spin entry unintentionally. Will order up your reference sheets. Thank you! Will definitely enhance any teaching as I’m an AGI & IGI. 🛫😎🛬

[@SuperDave21]

Josh, you're so professional..... I've followed you since you got your license... and I've got to say, you're impressive. With your respect for GA you'll be around a long, long time!

[@dlouque]

I saw the video with Dan and Flight Chops, and after seeing it decided to start practicing what Dan sad. I have my defined minimum maneuvering speed calculated for my 172 and practice the techniques Dan talks about. Thanks for another great video.

[@marcorivera16]

These videos are great Josh. It's good to see general aviation instructors thinking about all these kind of situations that could happen to GA pilots.

[@seanmcerlean]

Josh, what you are doing is absolutely vital and a good thing. Your channel is equally superb with it's content.I have folowed you for a while now as a UK trained PPL. It seems to me that you are serious about what you are doing here,Congrats.

[@MrValjester]

In the scenario you described, I agree with you. In a take off climb and a power loss, and you pulled additional pitch and got the stall warning? A dramatic push is required to reach any semblance of a safety margin. I taught stalls as a pilot induced incident. A GA aircraft will not stall on its own. Trim a 172 to full nose up trim and set 1500 rpm. Have your student take no action other than to keep the wings level. The AC will go nose high, stall will sound, the nose will drop through the horizon and recover without intervention from the pilot. Of course without re trimming the AC, this scenery on would repeat itself. My point being, after a power loss, maintain airspeed and preserve altitude. Speed and altitude is life. Don’t give away either. Your video held my attention all the wat through and is a valuable tool. Keep up the great work.

[@vaughnalston3009]

This is one of the most important video's I've ever seen. Great work as always!

[@you_just]

8:33 Holy crap. I hope that poor instructor can move on with his life. That is some incredible survivor’s guilt.

[@dangryder3763]

No. I saw the effects firsthand and I know how to help you avoid these things. I do this because I care.

[@x.ventura1020]

KZbin is a swamp these days. Great video, good attitude, very enthusiastic. I'll recommend your channel over here. Regards from Spain.

[@bernardsavard493]

What a good and needed topic. Way to go. Save lives...

[@Bill3558]

Excellent video. Thank you and Dan for doing this.

[@CyberSystemOverload]

Yours is an excellent channel , superb content. Your videos are saving lives. Way back in 1996 I had just got my PPL. About a month later was in the flight schools Piper Warrior with an experienced pilot friend. I lined up , hit the power and lifted off. A second later the engine sputtered and without thinking (with a delay of about a second) I pushed the nose down. The engine resumed normally and we skimmed over the airport fence low enough that I could the nails on the fence posts. Deciding not to risk things I did a pattern, landed and went back to the ramp and wrote it up for the mechanic to look at. It was only then that my friend shook my hand and said that it was the best response to an engine blurb he had ever seen. I credit my great instructors and a very good text book by Rod Machado to help me understand aerodynamics.

[@CDLtoCFI]

This is hands down your greatest video. As a new PPL, I needed this.

[@CaptMoo]

"Get light on the seat" Loved that phrase... so true

[@jordanworm6923]

Josh this has been a fantastic series. I have almost finished my private pilot's cert, and this has given me a few things I would like to add to every flight to keep myself in a safe place at all times.

[@timjones7684]

This is such a well thought out approach to speed management. Well done!

[@williamsalvaggio4621]

Great video guys. Thanks for doing it and sending it out. 👍👍✈️✈️

[@deltacharlie8433]

As a student pilot, this is gold knowledge. Thank you so much! I tend to overshoot on Base to final turn. Because of you I am aware that banking more to correct doesn’t make sense. Now I just accept that situation, don’t overbank and watch my speed and don’t let it drop. In flightschool this is not discussed and briefed enough, so other students might not be aware of that. That is why I will share this with them. So thank you for maybe saving lifes!

[@jgnderitu]

I had the same experience in flight school. The base turn to final is not receiving adequate attention during training.

[@rccanuck4473]

I'm not a pilot just fascinated by aviation This was a fantastic video kudos to you you

[@Krzyqbn]

This series is providing a lot of great material to discuss with the flight instructor once I start actual flight training. Thanks Josh! Looking forward to the next one!

[@malachimoak]

Thank you so much for the extensive work that you’re doing to offer these videos. I am working towards my future pilots license and these videos are a huge asset to my training, thank you!

[@jasonruzicka7954]

I love your channel. Thank you for all you are doing to educate and make aware the dangers and beauties of aviation. As I venture into becoming a private pilot myself, your content has given me a excellent visual aspect of what lies ahead.

[@rickbucy7988]

Great training video and great points outlined during the video.

[@CarrierPigeon42]

Josh, this series has been bloody fantastic mate! To everyone else, there is no shame in a go-around, only more fun flying. If in doubt, power out. I never look at someone and cringed when they went around. I don't understand why there is this big sense of failure when you go-around, this shouldn't be the case. One should be applauded for a go-around because you've seen a higher risk than what is acceptable and avoided it. Advice my father gave me right before my first solo "A landing is like a fart, if you have to force it, it's probably shit."

[@danboone8499]

Josh. Excellent presentation! This is such an important topic. So glad you're covering it.

[@therealteal620]

THIS SERIES IS MANDATORY!!

[@joro18d93]

Great video. I call out the posi climb, and flap retraction intervals every time. Great mental check list. Thx for vid.

[@gtr1952]

Awesome Josh!! Dan Gryder should get the Aviation Medal of Honor for his work and the lives he will save with this!! You also for picking up the ball and running it!! Thank you for all your hard work!! Just in case no one else has said it!! 8) --gary

[@barrynevison9472]

Superb, simple and extremely well explained. They make total sense on the ground. It's getting them to be automatic when your brain becomes distracted in the air that is the real challenge. There can never be too much practice of these simple reminders.

[@gunsaway1]

Excellent. You’re on to something big.

[@wallypinn809]

A well put together video. Hope there are many more to come.

[@ges7991]

This is very good stuff. I haven't flow for years, but I do recall being in these situations and not being aware of some of these dangers. This training should be part of a PP certificate.

[@robfraley4210]

Good show on getting a “Program” going on these subjects, Dan has been talking about these things for Years now 😎👍✅ BTW, That desert strip at 13:40 ... Monument Valley Utah, Gooldings trading post and lodge. I lived there for two years, 1961-1963, my mother was a nurse at the Navajo Indian mission hospital about 1/2 miles to the right behind those cliffs, I loved it out there...!!

[@HernandezAlaska]

I really liked the point about loss of power shortly after take-off. That's something my instructor would definitely make me practice. Sometimes on take off, barely passing 600-700 feet, he'd pull the power out to start a quick practice exercise, and really made a point about being ready to act in seconds, since seconds is all you've got.

[@highspiritfarm]

Awesome content. Valuable and bound to save lives. Thanks for posting this series.

[@billnicholson2470]

Outstanding work Josh. This will save lives. Even if just saves just one life it will be a win win. Stay healthy and safe.

[@thomaspittock4018]

I will never be a pilot but Josh that was great and completely understood by a non pilot. AMEN lets save as many as you can. All would be nice!!!!!

[@kestrel5065]

Why won't you be a pilot?

[@duanemckitterick3450]

Excellent concept and well put together program. Great job Josh and company.

[@shoop4040]

Josh, I am not a pilot however I have followed you for a couple of years, and yes many of the other great utube pilots like Steveo1 , flight chops, Greg at P1D. As a none pilot, this is a great, great, great series. I also have noticed there have been way, way too many GA accidents lately. Reading some reports I have noticed that many of the pilots have thousands of hours of flight time that is also troubling some. Thank you for your hard work May all be safe.

[@MagnarNordal]

What you are doing is very impressive. DMMS is a lifesaver. Flying a commercial airplane with a glass cockpit, I have the DMMS automatically displayed on the speed indicator. I hope all GA pilots can learn from this. And save their lives.

[@donjones7544]

Great Lesson Josh! Thanks

[@rn2811]

Great job Josh.

[@Luke_StClair]

Great information. Thanks Josh...Keep up the good work.

[@blmdphd]

This one is amazing. Great work.

[@pennmatty]

Great video - very well put together

[@ProvidentRentals]

Excellent presentation about an all too common concern. Thank you!

[@josephrasberry3850]

Dan is great on this stuff

[@johnalexander4513]

Good, professional presentation

[@OSWCrosshair2002]

This is really good information, Josh. I have been following you for about 3 years or so, and you are so professional and proficient. I am working on my PPL right now, and I am really taking my time to be a good pilot. Thanks for all your great videos. I appreciate all you do. "Stay Inspired"-Dewey Paul, Jr

[@robertwren2289]

I'm not a pilot, and I learned things to use when flying my RC planes. I really enjoyed watching this video.

[@thejamer5280]

Great video. This gave me lots of concepts to work on. Thanks!

[@BuckVertrillion]

Wonderful information. Thank you for putting this info together and sharing.

[@prestonmiller9552]

Everything you said seems so natural and the normal way to proceed, (when sitting at home watching this with no pressure) But real world practice is the best preventative for these accidents. How we react when we are actually in the air behind the controls is what counts. Well done and some great explanations Josh. Thanks so much.

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

2:45 in the airline industry by 1000ft you must be fully stabilised (landing checklist complete and on the localiser and glideslope), at 500ft you must be on the correct speed (VREF) and correct rate of descent, and by minimums you must be fully visual with the runway. of course it varies from airline to airline, but those are the basics. it would be a good idea to incorporate a variation of these in the GA industry.

[@flyinwithfrank1363]

Very good info. My early flying of gliders was a great way to learn to push the nose down and get light in your seat - no engine to fall back on.

[@jimhuntington8692]

After flying a Navion Rangemaster for many years it didn't take me long to figure out I could bleed a little excess speed on final with half flaps on a long runway rather than use full flaps. If you had to go around with full flaps it was almost impossible to push the yoke forward with one hand before getting a chance to neutralize it with trim. Again, I had a great instructor on go-arounds. Without defining it with the four criteria you mention, he simply said to go around anytime you were uncomfortable in the approach. A second chance is always better than no chance! Let me know when any of this thinking is in error by your new standards and... Fly safe!

[@wakeuppeople7327]

Jim Huntington So true. So many have a ego about going around. For me it was about proficiently The perfect landing. If going around was it. It gave me extra flying time which I loved. I had a bird strike long story. The windshield got small crack in a Cessna 172. Well it grew. So I reduced power. Still it grew and part of it flew out. Talk about shiting my pants. Thank god it was plastic. I see why they use it. I made a request I had a emergency but didn’t declare one. Didn’t need a FAA review shut down a major big airport. Not like LAX but OC airport. It’s big. Well it was my best short approach I ever made. Greased it

[@tonymarks4043]

Great topic to discuss Josh, NICE JOB!

[@mikemaloney5830]

I haven’t checked in my Mooney, however I’ve always been taught once trimmed the aircraft will fly that speed at any power setting, including NO power. If you’re climbing at 80 and you lose all power the aircraft will pitch down to 80. In my Grumman it took two oscillations. Keeping wings level and NOT pulling up is paramount. Harshly shoving forward can start some wild gyrations. Altitude is also a huge variable. My teaching is never nose up or turn steeply (while pulling back) at low air speeds no matter what the cause. Keep up the good work . Speed is life.

[@basmith75]

Really appreciate the series Josh. great job!!

[@Thinks-First]

Been a private pilot for 8 years. I trained myself to always push forward on the yoke for EVERY turn within the pattern and ALWAY look at the Air Speed Indicator as I go through the turn.

[@jetstreamgret2108]

This is SUCH a GREAT video. I am def showing this to my students!

[@nicholasgifford23]

Great video as always Josh !!

[@darrelldiaz]

Great video and excellent tips! I will be applying these concepts including DMMS on future flights!

[@reyesben]

DMMS was my favorite tip. Thank you.

[@davidhaas3948]

Just an observation from an A&P as well as an old time instructor. The I pad mounts on the control column (two different aircraft in your video) are going to restrict forward travel of the yoke and could cause a problem recovering if you loose an engine with aircraft loaded towards the aft end of the envelope. Would suggest mounting them as far aft as possible. Even that restricts travel and aircraft would not pass full travel limits set by the type certificate data sheets. My other thought is on take off once obstacles or that imaginary 50 ft obstacle is cleared lower the nose and increase airspeed. Two advantages in small planes, 1 more time to react to loss of power, 2 you can see where you're going. Good video. Always enjoy the opportunities the internet gives all of us and the cost can't be beat.

[@ForderLearnToFly]

I have an iPad stretch band for my left leg. Writing pad on my right leg. Keeps the yoke free... as you suggest.

[@ecossearthur]

Awesome as always... Loved your round table the other day also!

[@rodneys9805]

brother you carry yourself well, and is very knowledgeable

[@kevinantoniomorrison2415]

Thanks for putting in such a tremendous effort to all in the aivation industry and for the ones just starting with minimal experience, because you care 100%. I always wanted to take the opportunity to meet you one day to futher my education . Thanks for bringing out this video once again, as its very educational.