What Will Happen in Dune Part 3 - Dune Messiah Explained & Predictions

[@xkinqwafflez4195]

I don't know too much about dune books (which is why im here) but i do know a fair bit about movies, and what I am sure is that Denis will not be directing any Dune movies after the third. He's said multiple times in interviews he likes new stories and challenges so I am sure he wouldn't stick with it for another 3+ years of filming, potentially reaching the 2030s. My main worry is that it ends up being picked up by a company like disney, and they throw shitty writers at it and drive the franchise into the ground. Hopefully dune 3 is great though, im excited to see what happens.

[@FatalxBlade]

I have heard that as well. I did listen to an interview the other day where he said to ask him after Messiah and see where he's at. I think you're right though he will stop after Part 3. I don't think Legendary will give up the movie rights and WB has distribution rights, so I imagine they will just get a new director if they keep making movies. Granted I don't know all the logistics behind the copyrights, but I don't think it will end up at Disney.

[@wes89]

This will 100% happen. 1000%. It cost nothing for these huge companies to make millions.

[@marybaczuk]

DV said that Chani is a key character, that she is the counter balance to the messiah cult and a voice of reason. I can see two parallrl plots developing: Paul , Teenage Alia , Duncan/Hayt in Arrakeen overcoming attempts on Paul's life ,Irulan plotting, the development of Alia cult etc. anf chani in a Sietch being angry with Paul . There whe witnesses the developing plot against Paul and moved by her love for him, goes back to arrakeen to warn him. They bang and she becomes prego. The stone burner , blindness and all that remains rhe same. I would also not be surprised if Alia's possession by Baron Harkonnen is included to have some more formidable villain. They could even make her+posessed the main 'villain' here

[@FatalxBlade]

Seems like a plausible theory. I do wonder if the changes in Part Two kind of undercuts the whole Alia possession by the Baron. In the books it's poetic that she is possessed and eventually brought to ruin by the Baron after having been the one to kill him. In this version there are no interactions between them.

[@di3486]

It is an awful take on Chani

[@grec.]

I really liked how you explained the possible adaptations Denis could make in regard to the changes he made for DUNE (1&2).

[@manojavpal7776]

Recently watched your video on summarising all the dune books. Never realised Duncan Idaho was such a pivotal character. Well, his clones to be precise. Great stuff nevertheless. Will have to read the books!

[@FatalxBlade]

Thanks, yeah the series gets pretty wild. I definitely never knew where the story was going on my first read. It is funny how Duncan is the only character to be in every book of the saga. His interactions with the God Emperor are amusing.

[@jamesrocks19]

Here’s another possibility. Part 3 and 4. Denis said that he was willing to work on part 3 but ultimately if the story continued, and if he felt like he lost his passion than he would pass the work over to director Steven Spielberg who has agreed to keep his vision of the films connected and ultimately give them more breathing space.

[@mojomofo7764]

Spielberg will give us: Muad'Dib Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Knife

[@VilmaSantos-pd5hl]

Awesome video! As someone who has not read the Dune saga by Frank Herbet, I have seen videos of people discussing the book Dune, Dune Messiah and the other books. I think in Dune Messiah we will see the twins being born, I think it would be cool to see Paul walk into the desert in the end. A scene that would be cool to see is maybe Denis can give snippets of Alia starting to be possessed. Have Alia make some dark decisions, and then have her back to herself reflecting on what she's done, feeling guilty, so the audience can tell that Alia is not fine. I love Denis' version of Chani. Maybe have more sibling scenes between Paul and Alia. This is my theory and I guess a bit of a fan idea on the relationship between Chani and Paul still having the baby's twin plot line in the story and telling the story of Messiah. Since Chani in the movie is a non-believer in the prophecy, she isn’t 100% religious, I think she is religious, but she sees that Bene Gesserit is using religion to manipulate her people. I think there will be drama between Chani and Paul before they get back together and after they are together. We know Paul can see into the future, he said that he and Chani will be together. What if the visions he sees Chani and him getting back together isn’t the actual path and it happens completely differently. I know from the videos I have seen of people discussing Dune Messiah, there are Fremen rebelling against Paul. Before Paul and Chani get back together, it’ll be interesting to see Paul demonstrate to Chani that he loves her, etc. While Chani is having trouble trusting him, after watching her people leave to fight in the holy war, and then seeing the aftermath of Paul ruling Arakkis. Chani will join the rebellion group, but not in betraying or killing Paul, Chani will try to bring back the Paul she fell in love with in helping him make the right decisions towards the golden path and still keep an eye on the princess. Maybe see the influence that Alia will have on Paul in the movie. Maybe Paul feels a little jealous in the sense of Chani talking to a Fremen more than with him. Somehow Paul and Chani get back together, still using the plot story of the twin babies, Chani will keep talking to Paul, until the birth of her babies, she dies and then shows the end of Messiah. It’ll be interesting to see Princess Irulan turn against the Bene Gesserit and see her make the decision to raise Chani and Paul children at the end of Messiah. Something like that.

[@FatalxBlade]

Thanks! For someone who hasn't read the books you have a pretty good grasp of the story. You must've listened to quite a few videos. I think that's a solid prediction.

[@VilmaSantos-pd5hl]

@@FatalxBlade Thank you. Frank's message in the Dune series is super interesting and it gets people talking. Which is cool and interesting to hear what are people opinion. I really liked how Denis managed to adapt Frank's book because it gives people who have not read the book series, the chance to interpret the message of the author and discover the Dune series. I discovered Dune from the movies. It also gives people who have read the books to discuss about Denis adaption of Dune, etc. I'm super excited to see Denis Dune Messiah adaption. It's also nice to find videos of fan discussing about the book, which gives viewers the chance to make their own conclusion and maybe check out how Denis adaption is different from the book while still telling the story. Nice to find videos of fans discussing the movie adaption and have fan's share their theories, etc.

[@FatalxBlade]

@@VilmaSantos-pd5hl yes for sure, and I agree. Since I started making these couple of Dune videos I have been getting a lot more comments which is nice.

[@mahmudmurad4655]

Second book is tricky to adapt, Villeneuve needs to insert more action and a pace similar to part 2, and also needs to ending in an epic sad note but not showing Paul as a villain, rather a tragic character. I will wait for you video of Star Wars connections with Dune. I think Dune give Lucas a kind of a blueprint for the Skywalker saga. If will be very interesting to know what he have in mind for episodes 7-9.

[@FatalxBlade]

Yeah I'm very interested to see how Villeneuve chooses to adapt Messiah. I think he definitely will add more action, but I hope he makes the plot against Paul compelling. The political intrigue is the major thing missing in his adaptations so far. That's a very good way to put it. Lucas using Dune as a blueprint.

[@Trazynn]

It's not that tricky. All the action can be shoved into Lady Jessica's storyline who is absent entirely in Messiah. She can be the point of view character witnessing the impact of Paul's governance. Herbert left a large gap unfulfilled in this book.

[@mahmudmurad4655]

@@Trazynn Great idea.

[@thomasbgpaintart3120]

I have faith in D. Villeneuve. He didn't screw up and I don't think he will with 3rd movie. The guy is visionaire and loves Dune

[@FatalxBlade]

I like the optimism. I hope it's great.

[@di3486]

He kind of did a little bit.

[@SK4Madhi_Freal]

Erm?? We need to talk bro! But it all depends if your a fan of these or the book??

[@lowrivera]

They left A LOT of stuff out and changed A LOT of stuff from the book so there no telling how they’ll arrange the missing/modified material from the first book.

[@nikkotan2840]

I wish they would make the storyline of the Holy War 12 years before Dune Messiah, I mean the Dune Messiah covers the timeline 12 years after the Atreides Empire was established and the Holy War killed 16 billion people in the Imperium. I mean even Star Wars Adopted the storyline after the Fall of the Empire further expanding the established universe of Star Wars, they could literally do the same thing in Dune expanding the Story like they adopted the Bene Gesseret story in Dune I mean who doesn't like to see the Chaotic War between Duke Atreides and the Great Houses.

[@the_dj_wood]

have the Brian Herbert books not covered that period yet? He seems intent on filling in all the gaps in his father’s timeline, so if he hasn’t released a “jihad of dune” series yet, i’m sure it’s in development.

[@nikkotan2840]

@@the_dj_wood No his 2nd Book, Dune Messiah briefly mentioned the Holy War as the book covers the 12 years timeline after the Holy War period. That's exactly why we need the Holy War Timeline but sadly it's a dream that won't come true.

[@gordonfreeman-g5w]

Yeeeeeeaaaah it's gonna suck in my honest opinion... I remember before Part 2 came out I said if this movie doesn't include Jamis funeral scene, or Gurney sneaking up on Jessica with a knife I'm going to be very disappointed. Not only did it not include those scenes, it didn't include Thufir Hawat, and the straw that broke the camel's back for me was Chani's character change.... I'm happy for people who haven't read the books though as they will be absolutely loving this trilogy, but I for one will not go out of my way to watch part 3 because I know I'm just gonna be even more disappointed with how many more ridiculous changes Villeneuve is going to make. He calls himself a feminist yet turn all the woman in this story into caricatures of themselves. Even Star Wars has a better bloody love story between Annakin and Padme and it's already seen as a joke. The Matrix captured Chani and Paul's relationship better than Villeneuve ever will conceive.

[@foreveredites]

Which chapter should I read from now to know what happens after part 2?

[@FatalxBlade]

You should start the book Dune Messiah.

[@addisonscott7808]

Thanks for the videos explaining the DUNE saga. I read these books back in the early eighties. From Dune to Dune Chapterhouse. Five years ago I finished the prequels. They IMHO while not as deep as the originals were still quite good. I would like to see a possible movie made on those books. Showing the start of the Butlerian Jihad, the origins of the Mentats, the Guild Navigators, who was the first Bene Gesserit. There are a lot of material that could be used to make quality movies with the right producer and director.

[@FatalxBlade]

It's possible for sure. In the meantime Dune Prophecy seems to be sort of doing what you're asking for. Except it seems to be only loosely based on the Prequel books.

[@addisonscott7808]

I had not heard of Dune Prophecy until now. I see that it is based on the prequel book Sisterhood of Dune. I read that book last year. It was quite good. The book focus is on the Bene Gesserit. It also touches on the first use of the VOICE, and (spoiler alert) how one HAKONNEN sister uses it to take power. The timeline of the book take place right after the end of the Butlerian Jihad, and spotlight the Atredies hero of that war.

[@FatalxBlade]

@@addisonscott7808 That's awesome, who know maybe you'll like the show. I've heard some people theorizing that maybe this takes place after the book(s) due to the Harkonnen sisters age in the trailer. I'm not familiar with the source material though.

[@bamabat8435]

That can always just say the emperor is like 200 years old and then he'll still look young for his age.

[@Tristialawirtz]

Hey man really cool video. I actually am quite of the opposite opinion on the film/book changes. I pretty much prefer all of the movie changes to that of the book, and I feel like in many ways it makes it more comprehensive to our own time. For example I feel like the changes he made to Chani were brilliant, and it really serves both characters well- though admittedly it could take the story in a very different way. As things stand right now with the movies, maybe Chani won't really ever take the side of Paul seeing as though we won't really have to think about Leto II in the context of the movies. Obviously this pretty much alters the entirety of the Dune Messiah plot, but perhaps you could end the story with Alia taking over and going in the direction Paul's children went in instead. Personally I much prefer the way Chani and Paul contrast each other and kind of give us a reality check regarding Paul. Understand that this take is coming from someone who was quite impressed with the books, but also didn't always enjoy them as a reading experience or even agree with everything Frank was contemplating. Either way fantastic video and thanks for the well informed perspective :) Always nice to hear some different views.

[@Tristialawirtz]

I should probably also add that I think this because of the differences in how book 1 and movie 2 ends. It would feel like backtracking a lot if chani suddenly were to ignore how idelogically and personally opposed to Paul she has become. I'd much rather see Villeneuve have the guts to double down on his interpretation to create something new rather than choosing the 'safer' option of sticking to the original too much.

[@FatalxBlade]

This is perhaps the nicest comment I've gotten to someone who has an opposing view to me. I appreciate that. I get where you're coming from and I'm glad it worked for you. I actually do agree that since Denis has gone this route with Chani that it actually makes more sense for this version of Chani to continue questioning Paul's rule. My biggest issue with Chani leaving book knowledge aside is that for me the chemistry was not there for the film. That and I didn't like that they inserted modern sensibilities into the story, but still kept the idea of Concubines and political marriages. Felt like it broke the world building a bit even in the context of just the films. Still interested to see where it's going and I'm glad you enjoyed the video even if we differ in opinions.

[@joserobertoalanisbaez]

chani contrast is great, but it has major hiccups due to the changes. the most important is that chani helped paul survive the spice agony. both in the film and the book, the film made it a streamlined prophecy, which was too convenient and didn't affected chani arc to become a believer. also stilgard didn't say anything about her relationship with muadib, that she's part of the sehaya prophecy. the justification in the book is that chani has fremen's reverend mother training, which in the film was not possible due to be non-religious.

[@di3486]

@@FatalxBlade100% agree! I wanted to see Dune in all its weird creepy glory! I hate seeing it westernized.

[@FatalxBlade]

@@di3486 missed opportunity for sure

[@xSuspect-7]

I didn't read the ending yet but from what i saw in the book after Paul's ultimatum to the great house/guild they all retreated But in the movie it didnt work and he ordered war. I believe Dennis will change a lot of stuff

[@FatalxBlade]

Yeah, the confusing thing with this is that it should've worked. Paul is in a position to control the Spice which everyone needs. The movie even opens with the line "power over spice is power over all".

[@lordzedd343]

Could you also make a video on how Dune may have influenced A song of Ice and fire? The more think about it, the more similarities pop up. Stark = Atreides Harkonnen = Lannisters Worms = Dragons Red priests = Honored Matres.

[@FatalxBlade]

Yeah, I definitely can but it will have to wait until after I read through A Song of Ice and Fire. I'm only familiar with the shows.

[@MikePhilbin1966]

Alia HAS TO MEET Hayt... right? That can only happen with a time jump, though I do like the idea of Chani's kids being born at the end of Dune 3 film, which means that Alia & Hayt are never an item i.e. J-Mo is not coming back. And removal of the Tleilaxu and the Spacing Guild, wow! Chani will be the opposition, sure, and I still can't wait for this film.

[@colinfitzgerald007]

New medium equals new changes. You need to learn that buddy.

[@JayPotton]

The Chani change has confused me with what DV is going to do but I think casting ATJ means there has to be a time jump so we get an adult Alia. It will be a crime to not get JM back as Hayt (kind of core to all follow on Dune stories so yeah must happen). He can include ACTION by having the Jihad still raging (or flashbacks?). I think the Feyd Harkonnen/Fenring baby is going to play a part (good call) otherwise why bother including in the script of Pt2? I really REALLY hope DV does not remove the involvement of the Spacing Guild and Tleilaxu in the conspiracy!

[@FatalxBlade]

I can't recall everything I said in the video, but you bring up a good point. I don't think I mentioned the Jihad. That absolutely is a way to incorporate action scenes even if it is just through flash backs or before a time jump.

[@censortube3778]

If they don't show a Guild Navigator in part 3, I will burn my DVDs !!!

[@Dularr]

My guess Dune Messiah will follow the story beats of the Godfather. With Alia taking over the family business and taking care of unfinished business.

[@ryanratchford2530]

Hope they end with Paul going into the dessert. And for them to eventually do children of dune

[@FatalxBlade]

Agreed, I'd really like to see a Children of Dune Adaptation.

[@Trazynn]

That scene is already shown in Part One for a brief second.

[@djalil_YT]

I liked most of the changes in part 2, but I wish he had not ended it on such a forced cliffhanger, like he was trying to force the hand of the studio into making Messiah. Whatever happens, I can guarantee there won’t be a fourth film.

[@FatalxBlade]

Yeah I did think the obvious cliffhanger felt like a TV season ending.

[@gavinstrelitz1558]

I predict there will be a fourth film, but it won’t be DV directing. Dune is going down Star Wars paths I think, with movies released in threes. The new film is going to be interesting because it needs to be heavily dialogue, plot and philosophically driven

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

Oh no alia's birth at the end of 3 would piss me off. Please no. We need a time jump.

[@FatalxBlade]

Oh I agree lol

[@PeloquinDavid]

I suspect this is too pessimistic a take. To the extent Villeneuve's "Messiah" needs to add some "action" - I don't care for action-for-the-sake-of-action (i.e. the entire action genre), but if it's required to put bums in seats, OK I guess - there's plenty of jihad available to be shown at the start (something Frank Herbert simply skipped over). Done right - combined with suitable amounts of agonizing by Paul and hints of post-traumatic Fremen disaffection, the tragedic stakes can be raised in parallel with a reconciliation of Chani and Paul - particularly as it becomes clear (which wasn't the case at the end of Part II) that his marriage to Irulan is a fake one. (I expect Irulan to spend a lot of time dictating into her diary...) Jessica and Chani could even reconcile with Jessica (belatedly) telling Chani what she told her in the last few lines of the first book (but NOT in Part II). A child/youth Alia could even be given a role in fighting in the jihad, earning her the future "of the knife" moniker. (After all, it's not like Fremen children in general were incapable of going to war in the book...) The requisite time jump to Alia as a young woman and to the time when the conspiracies (among both offworlders and disaffected Fremen) are coming to a head would then take you straight into the relatively short timeline of the narrative actually set out in "Dune Messiah". In short, I don't really see the need for ANY of the core storylines of "Messiah" to be abandoned (though some simplification or streamlining might still be inevitable given the reality that books and film are different media and that films need to adhere to their own story-telling logic).

[@FatalxBlade]

I don't think that was pessimistic. Everything you said made sense. I'm not sure based on Part Two that it will go that way, but it's certainly possible. I'd probably like the movie more if it did go that way.

[@Doobie603]

I wanna see a worm god!!

[@gbtBob]

I think there is a hideous secret here: Mo has an inessential relationship with his sister.

[@FatalxBlade]

I'm assuming you mean Jason Momoa? In the book it's not inessential. Hayt being gifted had multiple purposes. One was to distract Alia who was vulnerable to such a ploy because she was at the age of reaching maturity. The fact that they form a relationship shows the reader how effective the ploy was.

[@juanserna6322]

Chani wont be skeptical of pauls prophecy anymore. In pt2 jessica completely manipulated chani with the voice into participating in the water of life ritual to resuscitate paul out of the coma. Jessica knowing full well that paul was going to convert the poison anyways because of his benegeserit training did this because chani’s action would appear to be “as written” in the prophecy that was actually made up by the benegeserit. This made chani question her previous hesitations towards the fundamentalist fremen prophecy and now more align with the fundamentalists. This isnt only true for her, but also the audience of skeptic fremen who were there that day and relayed the story to their other skeptic friends, thus consequently converting the fremen to pauls side for a completely infallible jihad

[@FatalxBlade]

I get what you're saying but I don't follow the line of thinking with Chani being on Paul's side now. In the final few scenes of Part Two I was under the impression she continued pushing back against Paul.

[@juanserna6322]

@@FatalxBlade im not saying she likes the prophecy 100%... but she definitely believes it now reluctantly because of outright manipulation by jessica

[@FatalxBlade]

@@juanserna6322 I'll have to rewatch the scenes with this in mind I still do not remember it that way. I remember her still not believing in the prophecy knowing it was all a fabrication. Maybe I'm misremembering though.

[@juanserna6322]

@@FatalxBlade no ur not. Chani is just mad as shit now because women dont like to be wrong

[@FatalxBlade]

@@juanserna6322 I'm still not sure I'm following your reasoning entirely.

[@jasonabc]

The books are very.... shall I say intellectual and subtle. Besides Dune its gonna be very hard to make a compelling script that will be able to be better than the movie Dune 2. Considering that Dune 2 may not make a billion dollars I think its gonna take a very special script to get a green light for the next one. I'm all for it but I also want the movie to be as good as Dune 2 was.

[@FatalxBlade]

Yeah hopefully they can come up with a good script for Dune Part 3. I think it is happening though it's already made over 600 million so they're profiting right now.

[@Trazynn]

It's just weird that Denis picked the 27 year old Anya Taylor-Joy to play the 18 year old sister of the 27 year old Paul Atreides. How is this supposed to work in part 3?

[@FatalxBlade]

Honestly I have no idea what the plans are. That being said I think you can make Anya Taylor-Joy look younger.

[@alexmason8557]

​@@FatalxBladeBy the time the movie comes out she will be 32 or 33 playing alia.