Starship Troopers - Deceptively Smart Satire

[@3AHoles]

Cast: "We'll only do this scene if you're naked too, Paul." Paul swivels around in his chair: "I've been naked this whole time."

[@Morbutt]

Pretty clever way to shake up the "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" game

[@waltercomunello121]

that scene _always_ got me by surprise.

[@jkdbuck7670]

"An unfortunate shmelting acshident."

[@fistimusmaximus6576]

ATTENTION!

[@pauldacon828]

"Haha you fools! If only you knew that beneath my clothes I've always been naked!"

[@PLaToTv-GaMeS]

"My mother said violence never solves anything." "So?" Mr. Dubois looked at her bleakly. "I'm sure the city fathers of Carthage would be glad to know that." Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers

[@Narapoia1]

The next line in the book is 'everyone knows that carthage was destroyed'. They changed that to Hiroshima in the film because 90% of the audience would have no idea where or what Carthage was. How things can change, it was only 38 years between the book and the film.

[@ronaldthompson4989]

@Atheist Biologist "progressive"

[@SumDumGy]

@ Narapoia1, Not at all disagreeing with you here, let’s at least consider the possibility that Carthage reference went over a lot of people’s heads when the book was originally published, too.

[@SoyElDiabloRojo]

@@Narapoia1 Carthago delenda est!

[@intlidave]

@@Narapoia1 Even worse, Hiroshima is now (and was in the 90s) a thriving city of over a million people...

[@NeilBFormy]

Ah yes, we’re all here 2 years later because of Helldivers 2.

[@ianbrown8663]

True I haven’t Even bought the game yet

[@HeyJoJoTF2]

Sad for the ST franchise considering their latest game literally had 0 presence 😬 But helldivers has been amazing, even bringing old groups together

[@thealchemist5653]

Real

[@SkyGraywastaken]

FOR SUUUUUUUUPER EEEEEEAAAAARRRRTTTTHHH! *mid 150 round burst into the bugs*

[@crucifierdrums3209]

Yes we are

[@mikavirtanen7029]

When Michael Ironside says "they sucked his brains out" it doesn't sound ridiculous at all. Man is a legend and canucks should raise a statue for him.

[@vormina9808]

Michael Ironside and Clancy Brown, two very under rated actors.

[@noahbody9875]

When I saw that part of the movie, I thought "Well in that case, you are all safe."

[@michaelsinger4638]

Michael Ironside can make anything sound cool and badass.

[@fostermoody]

As a canuck I approve this message

[@cstlbrvo5615]

Yeah, a statue dressed as a trooper with that mechanical hand...

[@Celtic-beans]

I love that the algorithm is suggesting me this now that I’m watching Helldivers 2 contact.

[@kelpermoon23]

Cringe

[@sabi771]

​@@kelpermoon23your mom

[@steelheart538]

​@@sabi771that's the best response to "cringe".

[@NSD150]

​@@kelpermoon231.4k people would like to disagree with you.

[@kelpermoon23]

@@NSD150 they’d be wrong

[@GetMeOuttaHereGaming]

No one talks how insane the CGI looks and how well it holds up. THE WAS MADE IN 1997! That's absolutely insane to me.

[@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148]

I think they also used pratical effects mixed in with the cgi.

[@irgendeineperson5350]

@BenjaminTheRogue The CGI looks legit better than some stuff today.

[@isaacschmitt4803]

Meanwhile, Star Wars Episode 2, which came out a whopping five years later and had a substantially better budget, had scenes with absolutely awful CGI that forcefully ejected you from the movie.

[@cstlbrvo5615]

The CGI work in this film is exceptional. I wish all movies had this level of computer animation.

[@rirakkunick]

Agree it still holds well.

[@killjam17]

Had to rewatch this since I've been managing democracy on helldivers. Best starship troopers game ever made.

[@havefuntazarasu5367]

These bugs are literally allah

[@epictoe7179]

For super earth ✊

[@valide1]

Have a Democratic day, soldier.

[@sleep_deprived_stormworker]

HOW ABOUT A NICE CUP OF LIBER-TEA?!?!?

[@yourmumgay7901]

I’d rather call it "sci fi war game" instead since it’s taking some super heavy influence from warhammer

[@dabbingraccoons6416]

Now we have helldivers 2

[@jayhollows5729]

Good ole parodys of fascist imperialism that goes over peoples heads

[@avoxxtea]

Yep.

[@Hugofoxli]

Yep.

[@CruciferWarden]

Yep

[@donnie7013]

Yep.

[@JMUDoc]

Cast: "We'll do the shower scene nude, but only if you _direct_ it nude." Verhoeven: "... what's the catch?"

[@dingerling9017]

I don't get that honestly lol.

[@RobSandman]

Also Verhoeven, "welp, at least I'll have something to hang my towel off...ladies"

[@Hjerte_Verke]

@@dingerling9017 Being European, Verhoeven wouldn't be nearly as prudish as Americans about simple, non sexual nudity because Europe or the Netherlands has a long history of naturism or nudism--clothing optional activity (nude beaches, resorts, etc). He might even be a nudist himself. There are many clothing optional beaches and resorts all over Europe; it's engrained in the culture.

[@dingerling9017]

@@Hjerte_Verke I am European. I didn't understand them being fine as long as the director was also nude. This wasn't some invitation for you to to rant about how Europe is just full of nudist and hoe nobody considers nudity a big deal which just isn't even true.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

@@dingerling9017 they were trying to bluff him into toning the scene down, they didn't think he'd actually agree, but he called their bluff and agreed.

[@vincentpolaris8297]

The Giant insects are more relatable than Rey in the 3 last Disney Star Wars movies, Especially the one with 4 legs

[@zulfirdauszain8810]

Hell, even the cockroach that helped the brainbug to move had more characteristics and emotion than daisey ridley as rey

[@guilherme5094]

Yes sir.

[@KlebinDaBoca]

Don't remember seeing a Rey with 4 legs, but I assume that I was asleep at that part.

[@CrazyBomber22]

Rey? Is Rey some sort of bug too?

[@ALDAL]

those are cool!

[@bigJovialJon]

I loved the way that the army got younger as the movie went on (older, experienced soldiers were killed off and replaced by whoever was left).

[@NJGuy1973]

Just like the U.S. Civil War.

[@texasbeast239]

Or any space anime.

[@calessel3139]

I think that's more of a reference to Nazi Germany. By 1945, the end of the war, literal children were being drafted into the Wehrmacht due to Germany's massive loss of military aged men.

[@iurhviusdfavhi]

At the start, the average German soldier was a big ass 28 year old tough guy, at the end they were 19 year old scared kids that were left trying to fight...war sucks...

[@calessel3139]

@@iurhviusdfavhi They were even younger than 19 earlier in the war. If you read the autobiography of Guy Sajer ("The Forgotten Soldier"), who was in the German army during WW2, he and his platoon were all recruited at the age of 16 in the winter of 1942. So Germany ran into manpower shortages much earlier than 1945.

[@brianhale2977]

The really scary scene is when Rico is supposedly testing Carl's ESP abilities to guess which card is next in a deck but it is actually a double blind experiment to see how well he can put the cards into Rico's mind.

[@Shokisan1]

That's a big part of how it actually works too... 👁

[@kingmany1]

Wow, never saw that good observation 😊

[@wasabi-in-my-eye3134]

Love it when studios were allowed to use real giant bugs back then. If this movie was made now it would be cgi. Good old days.

[@mecrumbly429___4]

This is actually brilliant

[@keykilla78]

One extra gets impaled and suddenly you have people crying about human rights, safety, responsibility, etc., and then before you know it we're using shitty CGI aliens. Just ridiculous.

[@MrFreeGman]

That's why movies like this and lord of the rings still look better than modern day films all these years later. The late 90s and early 00s were the golden age of Hollywood. It's been all downhill since then.

[@karengiovanni9410]

Hol'up

[@gustavopereira4924]

@@MrFreeGman fr They are not even hiring Minotaurs anymore... Even the one Multiverse of Madness was CGI smh

[@notacompleteidiot...1285]

Awww. Missed opportunity to close with: "Would you like to know more?" "Go away now!"

[@Tevikolady]

OMG, yes!

[@field-armada]

Indeed!

[@phillytheflyerable]

i'd buy that for a dollar

[@ChrisisisB]

5:58 "Would you like to know more?" Was the clickbait at the end of every MSN article for a while. Always saw the use in the film as comment on the risk of Microsoft taking over the news industry.

[@cattysplat]

​@@ChrisisisB The irony is they were still not wrong, that has come to pass anyway. They predicted the internet would be an endless circle of news from the same source, keeping you in their propaganda loop of mental control under the guise of "informing" you more.

[@Headless_Bill]

For me, Starship Troopers is still the closest we'll probably get to a Terran vs. Zerg Starcraft movie.

[@NadavMerom]

Lol! correct!

[@chrish281]

underated comment right here

[@mikestorms4752]

amen brother

[@xxxslappyxxx]

We could hold out for a Space Hulk movie, and get Real Space Marines and Tyranid... for the Emperor!

[@Junokaii]

Beat me to it. Be cool if they introduced a "Protoss" like species for fun.

[@ButterNutt300]

"starship troopers improves with age" said 2 years ago than hell divers 2 drops and explodes

[@kelpermoon23]

Cringe

[@torgranael]

Only reason I started playing HD2 was because I heard it was basically a love letter to ST. So hyped to see the rest of my generation catch up and finally watch this gem.

[@maxman1602]

It also teaches a valuable lesson: Don't simp after a girl who abandoned you and is now long gone from your life.

[@johnthomas2485]

Or simp after a guy that is obsessed with another girl

[@judsongaiden9878]

More importantly, don't simp for the state.

[@captainmaim]

@@npcimknot958 I would argue Rico became a walking death-dispenser because he 'died' in combat and came back. It's also useful that he's got no family or home left, but you're not wrong.

[@adamhenriksson6007]

No, it teaches us that we should chase the girl, and enlist TODAY. Do it for fascism. Sexy, sexy space fascism.

[@AlphariusandOmegon]

Don't simp for anyone, ever.

[@ehdoo426]

On my rewatch the thing that stood out to me was how Rico decides to disregard orders out of nowhere because of "a feeling" and go down a different tunnel then shortly later his psychic pal turns up. Earlier in the film his psychic pal controls a ferret and jokes he can't affect humans, yet. It led to a horror moment that the psychic intelligence division could be mind controlling the grunts without their knowledge.

[@FrostyShock349]

Probably how Zim found the brain bug too. The animated movies touch up on it more and its more out in the open with the psychic when it does happen

[@filiphavlicek6804]

Making them no different from the bugs, with one central brain controlling hordes of mindless minions... This movie indeed is a lot more complex than poeple give it credit for!

[@AthelstanKing]

Yeah wouldn't it be terrible if your officers went out of their way to save you and the mission via telepathic warnings. The horror. THE HORROR.

[@bigzigtv706]

@@AthelstanKing freewill = bad

[@eldriswenbro8957]

@@AthelstanKing Well...Carl only did that because he was best friends growing up with Rico and Carmen, and while Carl changed the most of all, he still cared for them. Also, he knew Johnny cared about Carmen and was looking out as his faithful wingman. He already had Zim (Johnny and Dizzy's (( his former crush )) former drill on the mission to catch the brain after it rang from Rico's squad.

[@acpmc76]

Casper Van Dien says that people still shout "Johnny Rico!" at him many years later :)

[@Hiraghm]

He doesn't look at all Filipino, though. He looks German.

[@graemesharp1982]

Ricos roughnecks!

[@MalkavSaiyaYautja]

Death from above!

[@waynemangan9925]

Probably because they cant remember his real name when they think it might be him.

[@visvivalaw]

@@FoRmaTiTo No. In the book his mother is killed in a Bug attack while she's visiting Buenos Aires, Johnny's family lives in North America. They're Filipino.

[@mastervava4325]

Need to rewatch this movie after playing Helldivers II

[@HER0_]

I salute you, fellow helldiver

[@mastervava4325]

@@HER0_ For Managed Democracy!

[@MrDrumcorey]

Sweet, Liberty.

[@JarisJ_]

I just did las night because of helldivers

[@kelpermoon23]

Helldivers cringe

[@orionred2489]

I was kinda mad at Denise Richards for dumping Johnny so quickly too. There are deleted scenes that show that other pilot deleting Johnny's messages and telling her lies about Johnny that explain what was really going on. It also made that dude's death more satisfying.

[@derek96720]

Honestly, I prefer the way it went down in the movie much more. Xander might have been an arrogant douche, but he wasn't a bad guy in the end. He was courageous in the face of death and I like how the movie makes us empathize with him at the end.

[@kaspersaldell]

@@derek96720 Agreed

[@s1050]

Dizzy was way better

[@christophermiller1595]

@@s1050 yes, she was...

[@daviswhite3591]

Trust me. The final cut was the more appropriate cut. How's the song go? I like her, she likes him and he loves someone else.

[@killbee503]

I love that Drinker brings up that the asteroid attack could be a false flag. No one brings up the fact that the Arachnids would had to fire that asteroid millions of years in advance and do incredibly complex calculations to hit earth when it did. But the Federation is surprised that the bugs are smart when they invade despite this.

[@shaggy_snacks]

I think the satire of the movie works better the way the movie did it.

[@christophergreen2892]

The book hints that it was a false flag. And the Sky Marshal resigned because the close formation caused the fleet disaster over Klendathu. Bugs didn't have anti-ship artillery in the book.

[@TransRoofKorean]

Heinlein was known for adhering very strictly to known physics, paying attention to details like that. And considering The Moon is a Harsh Mistress involves a similar style of attack (the moon being a bit closer, they say), obviously he would have been entiiiiirely aware that said, I only ever did an audiobook of Starship Troopers, and fell asleep a few times, so I remember the movie far better

[@maicka4417]

I can remember for sure, but I think one of the later movies claimed it was a false flag. And as Chris green said, the book makes that more clear. I like the subtlety

[@sabiti5428]

Some things are best implied. Those smart enough know the truth, those who are not have no attack.

[@chrisford8403]

"It sucked his brains out" Only Michael Ironside could deliver that line and come across as serious. LOL!

[@NexusKin]

And then later that huge bug literally sucked that guy's brains out.

[@victorboucher675]

Well, how big of brains did these actors have, like maybe not so hard to do?

[@xgreenxcloverx]

Dude I swear he drops another brains line like that in something! Total Recall or Scanners, I can't remember! Does that ring a bell??

[@stevenpitcher5585]

Michael Ironside is a legendary human being. The undisputed king of the cheese...

[@texasbeast239]

@@victorboucher675 - Just a light low-cal snack. Horderves. Mostly full of air. That first trooper was probably a plant. Just to piss the big bug off.

[@steve.wright3780]

Helldivers 2 - for Democracy!!

[@tenkmusou542]

Hell Yeah Brother!

[@humrH2360]

FOR FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!

[@thorslam3791]

You mean SUPER DEMOCRACY!!!

[@kelpermoon23]

Cringe

[@iOokami_]

GET SOMEEEEEE

[@BriceFernandes]

The source material (Starship Troopers, the book) is such a different beast that I thought someone had pulled a bait and switch on me comparing the twos. Would love to read The Critical Drinker's take on that one.

[@suckonfatman6027]

Thank you for bringing this up.

[@miming3679]

I like the movie more but I still want to see power armor lobbing nuclear warheads. That stuff makes wh40k space marines look like scrubs

[@derekpeterson6325]

god the book was so good, just unapologetic fascist propoganda from the perspective of someone indoctrinated by and actively engaging in the system. Was so very good to read.

[@suckonfatman6027]

@@derekpeterson6325 HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@corngreaterthanwheat]

There's a story of Verhoven reading the first two chapters, hating it so much he threw the book across the room, then made the movie he wanted.

[@mahatmarandy5977]

I remember our local newspaper critic said of this movie, "Denise Richards is easily the most beautiful robot working in films these days."

[@CowboyRobot2000]

She is a tremendous anchor around the neck of any movie she's in. My favorite Brosnan Bond is "The World Is Not Enough." Sophie Marceu was an epic Bond villain, and smokin' HAWT! Then Richards pops up in a Russian nuclear weapons depot as a nuclear physicist wearing a tank top and short-shorts. Ugh... Even Brosnan looked pained in their scenes together. Fortunately, she didn't have much presence or impact on the story, but she kept it from being up there with 'From Russia With Love,' 'Goldfinger,' 'For Your Eyes Only,' and 'Skyfall.'

[@mikesully110]

@@CowboyRobot2000 I remember watching this as a young teen and I thought she was strange looking too. I can't remember who it was who said she always looks like she's just smelt a particularly smelly guff. Honestly I thought that girl who trains with her during the fleet scenes was much prettier and more elegant looking.

[@maskambasadak867]

@@mikesully110 tasty coma wife

[@rjzavala87]

Hahaha

[@happyhammer1]

Savage

[@NLTimmy]

''He's a fucking Dutchman, as if he's gonna have a problem stripping off'' - That gave me a good laugh, thanks!

[@beefgoat80]

My friend shouted "napalm snot rocket!" when the artillery bugs started using their flamethrowers. That's stuck with me since the 90s.

[@aires69uk]

I think RoboCop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers are a trio of movies that everyone should have in their top 5 must see sci-fi popcorn movies. EDIT: I will edit this to include Demolition Man and The Running Man.

[@Splenetic-]

What I like to describe as “the holy trinity” of satirical sci-fi 👍🏻

[@hi14993]

@@Splenetic- idk man def add demolition man to that list

[@daveharrison84]

The other 2 are Minority Report and Blade Runner

[@ballswalls8189]

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[@Acesahn]

Don't forget Terminator and even better Terminator 2

[@CajunTexan1]

"You even need a license to get pregnant now" UK government: "write that down write that down!!!!"

[@derek96720]

Honestly, the world would be a better place in some ways if people needed a license to have more than a certain number of kids. Parents should also have to take mandatory classes on childhood development, nutrition, and communication before they are entrusted to raise a child. So many generations of fucked up people doing fucked up things, all because parents don't know what the fuck they're doing.

[@parrotshootist3004]

@@derek96720 only applies to Brits though, not UN citizens in UN regulated territory in UK.

[@janehrahan5116]

Legitimately this line (not in the books btw) is the only thing that is genuinely an eyebrow raiser, even so rico's parents had no issues nor did carmens so *Shrug*

[@doobas2171]

@@emjay3066 thats not caused by that,

[@olotocolo]

@@emjay3066 yes and nazis breathed air so we should stop. Not everything china does is bad just beacuse china does it. That's tribal mindset.

[@redram5150]

I saw this movie in theaters with five school friends. We bought tickets for Mr Bean, but the projector failed right away. So the theater gave us free rein to see whatever else was playing, plus another free admission. And for a thirteen year old, this movie was amazing

[@THEOUTCASTSCREATIVE]

fucking result! bean was proper shite

[@perfecto25]

the boob action in this flick was worth the admission alone

[@scarsch5383]

@Alan Well your obviously young.

[@cstlbrvo5615]

@Alan PG movie or R movie? 13-year old: R!

[@Erich8101]

Here again because Helldivers 2 is the Starship Troopers game we all needed Edit: Not even 24 Hours and this Comment blew up somehow

[@thisusedtobemyrealname7876]

For Super Earth!!! For Democracy!!!

[@craftmaster300]

I was wondering why this video got recommended to me 😅

[@Vogonslayer]

Spreading Liberty one clip at a time

[@s70driver2005]

SES Aegis of Peace standing by in orbit!!!

[@gruffski]

Haha! 💯!! I'm picking it up tomorrow! 😁

[@XBullitt16X]

An absolute classic, this film has aged so well, its incredibly iconic.

[@Cpt.Str4ng3]

one of a few.

[@dennis4774]

Book got deeper details even Johnny Rico's dad survived and became a private under Johnny Rico.

[@darkandedgy1457]

@@dennis4774 yeah the book is alot less satire and much more thought provoking I learned

[@broco1163]

One of my top 5 movies of all time. Such delicious 80s-90s action cheese, but with solid satirical undertones. Drinker seems like my kinda dude. Drinker needs to host a watch party at some point where 100 people show up, get blasted, and marathon a bunch of action schlock.

[@dunff85]

A key point from Sargon: "In ancient republics, it was the citizens that voted, and the citizens that fought. The people that defend what you have are the ones with the franchise. And these days, you defend what you have by paying your taxes, which funds an army, which is why every pacifist is a hypocrite. Their life would not exist were it not for their ability as citizens to provide force."

[@mar10ssj1]

So let me get this straight. The director purposefully hired good looking actors who can't act to drive the point of his movie...... BRILLIANT!!! That is some 4-D level chess right there.

[@stevemaurer8120]

It's Schrodinger's satire. Bad acting, bad writing, sexploitation, overtly "propaganda", basically everyone found it overwhelmingly stupid -- so it becomes, "it's satire bro!" The only people who liked this movie were fanboys of 1950s style agitprop.

[@tubetorpedo]

@@stevemaurer8120 Nah, it was and is nice action-flick in it's own right. Not that deep or that logical with it's message, but entertaining nonetheless.

[@kiraselby3790]

@@stevemaurer8120 I mean, it's pretty fucking obvious that it's satire if you actually watch the movie for three seconds - especially if you know literally anything at all about the book. The entire movie is intended as a giant middle finger to Heinlein from start to finish, and it's pretty dumb to claim otherwise.

[@stefanmaier1853]

The other brilliant point of the movie is that the source material, Heinleins book actually took itself seriously. That militaristic outlook of the society, the citizen model introduced weren't warnings like in 1984 but what Heinlein actually thought would make a good society. So Paul Verhoeven took a book that depicted in the authors eyes a hypermeritocratic militaristic borderline fascist utopia and turned it upside down.

[@stevemaurer8120]

@@kiraselby3790 Satire requires sophistication, a keen sense of irony. This movie is more like a guy doing a "satire" of Carmina Burana by repeating it entirely in autotuned fart noises.

[@deadcatthinks6725]

"The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand....MEDIC!" oh Clancy, you devil.

[@ThomasMorris55]

read the book , its a bigg point of power of the single man

[@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823]

The actual lesson is that can’t win a war with only nukes.

[@TysoniusRex]

Clancy Brown truly is underrated, both here and in Highlander.

[@Deviantygr]

@@TysoniusRex And as Mr. Krabs!

[@fredmax2541]

@@TysoniusRex Truly untapped potential.

[@WikedEvo]

Who else is here because this review randomly popped up? Well played algorithm. Carry on Divers!

[@kelpermoon23]

Cringe

[@lukeskywalker6809]

Let’s not forget the effing awesome score by the late Basil Poledouris. Verhoeven owes him a lot for Robocop and ST. And Jerry Goldsmith for Total Recall and Basic Instinct.

[@Mr.Quinlan888]

Love that guy!! Especially his score for Conan the Barbarian. Makes me want to go bare chested and forge some steel!

[@onepunchbud1472]

@@Mr.Quinlan888 oh boy, the Conan soundtrack is awesome as well... So true

[@ChrisGeden]

I didn’t know that Basil did the music on this film, too. Time to rewatch this.

[@llongone2]

Yes!!!!! The soundtrack is bomb! One of the best of the 90s.

[@316creative2]

Denise Richards walks by and 50 percent of the male population need a "medic". Seriously, the point you brought up about the casting of beautiful but obviously cardboard actors as an intentional choice is so believable and what a "baller" move indeed.

[@waltercomunello121]

Richards didn't move me an inch. on the other side, Dina Meyer is the one I can't look away from. I find her like 200% hotter.

[@lonemaus562]

@@waltercomunello121 I agree she was fine she had the perfect face for the curly hair

[@KC_Smooth]

@@lonemaus562 Agreed! I felt like Dina Meyer had a gorgeous "girl next door" look with her curls and had a great body... Respectfully speaking of course 👀.

[@eldesgraciado6690]

DENISE RICHARDS, THE ONE AND ONLY!

[@Galz68]

Just saw a really stupid 'didn't age well' review of this awesome movie on Screen Rant complaining the movie lacked diversity and had a 90210 cast. Ahhh! That's the point. It's a movie satire about a facsist society (i.e. 'perfect people') made in the 90's. So yeah it's got to have perfect looking 90s actors. Anything else wouldn't work.

[@kletusfawa1182]

"M.I does the dying, fleet just does the flying" - J. Rico.

[@JohnSmith-qi6pm]

OmG tHaNkS fOr QuOtInG. Dipshit.

[@redclayscholar620]

@@JohnSmith-qi6pm Welcome to the Roughnecks, Rico's Rouchnecks! Fuck Face.

[@araliusmaximus8799]

@@JohnSmith-qi6pm It's afraid!!

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

@@JohnSmith-qi6pm you're the one who's brains the queen ate first aren't you?? cus only a brainless would say something so....thoughtless 😈

[@kletusfawa1182]

@@JohnSmith-qi6pm yOu MaqD BrO

[@LOTDF220]

What better time to look back at Starship troopers than with the release of Helldivers 2

[@kelpermoon23]

Helldivers sucks tho

[@LordFalzar]

Lmfao, that'll do pig. That'll do. Go play some Starfield or something.@@kelpermoon23

[@hangman5918]

maybe try to connect your mouse to your PC@@kelpermoon23

[@benmasta5814]

When I was a kid I used to think "this movie is so weird, why are people acting so crazy? People wouldn't act like that." Then I grew up... and.... yeah.... lol

[@LucioFercho]

The concept of adulthood is a lie told to small children so they would obey the grown children.

[@scrappydoo7887]

Lol I loved it but when I watched it with my younger brother I had to endure him having really bad nightmares of being sucked into space after he saw the fleet being hit..... Fun times lol

[@cstlbrvo5615]

Yeah. And then you found out. .......Oh, my God! NOooooo....

[@popeyethepirate5473]

@@LucioFercho we used to have rituals that would draw the line in the sand for this very purpose.

[@natejennings5884]

Some Conservative points were well made. Rico's teacher brings up the failings of social scientists resulting in top down authority and how "that which is given has no value". These two points I agree with Conservatives on. Look at how social scientists cooked up alotta the critical theory (like critical race theory) and gender studies crap that's dividing society and may require an iron hand to bring under control. Look at how spoiled Millennials are given so much yet appreciate nothing. Michael Ironside made some damn good points in that scene.

[@joshbanks6367]

The special effects still look better than anything from a modern Netflix Original.

[@TopblokeGolf]

Yeah I was thinking that

[@hcwbsfu]

Because the creatures are actually real. They spent a lot of time and hard work building each bug and even made them move mechanically - check it - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJTcnYGkeMaIf5I

[@markleonard.]

Honest to god, netflix originals have spiralled so much. Gonna cancel my subscription now.

[@chrissullivan6572]

Aged surprisingly well

[@isaacfoster1377]

Im pretty sure netfix has better SPECIAL effects cause they have well trained specials to do the job right.

[@PatricksCrazyPlace]

Verhoeven has this insane ability to take movies that appear to be brain dead scholock on the surface, but surprisingly strong and smart when you let the story sit with you and you take a closer look into it. Robocop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers are all films that people could write off as flashy, action packed, and violent popcorn entertainment, but they are surprisingly smart, dramatic, and clever when you think about it. I don't know how he pulled that off, but my hats off to him.

[@sepin4]

Total Recall is based on a short story by Philip K. Dick and his stories are anything but shallow. And even if the adaptations are packed as action based sc-fi films, they always retain the philosophical essence of the source material. Just look at Blade Runner and Minority Report.

[@MW-bi1pi]

"Running Man" was also another wonderful action satire on Government/Media collusion and Propaganda.

[@JK-jt3lr]

I'd buy that for a dollar.

[@j.vonhogen9650]

@@MW-bi1pi- Thanks for the tip, I'll check that out.

[@philosophicaltrucker9279]

Its called talent, something painfully lacking in modern filmmakers

[@antares8826]

Freedom. Liberty. Democracy.

[@drrale6707]

Danger. Darkness. Dwarves.

[@oteatimeo]

"Who's there with you?" Redhead reviews herself. "Ok, 20 minutes." That's the kind of leader a grunt can proudly follow.

[@SNARC15]

More proof of how Michael Ironside is the fucking man!

[@code-dredd]

reveals*

[@jamesb2291]

Dizzy is the kinda Trooper I could get behind

[@isexuallyidentifyasanapach4720]

@@jamesb2291 ;)

[@PLaToTv-GaMeS]

“Citizenship is an attitude, a state of mind, an emotional conviction that the whole is greater than the part...and that the part should be humbly proud to sacrifice itself that the whole may live.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers

[@Cyricist001]

That quote sounds more fit a collectivist mentality than a libertanian one.

[@cretansuperbos2121]

@@Cyricist001 Not everything is as simple as "collectivist" vs liberty. Individual freedom is preserved by people who sacrifice their own autonomy for the group's.

[@Mrdardas99]

@@Cyricist001 Taken without context, yes. However, in the book it is established exceedingly well that being a full citizen with voting rights (non-citizens have total equality of rights, other than voting - there's none of that bizarre "pregnant license" the movie invented) is a personal choice. They first show you how much you have to sacrifice before you complete the enlisting process, and you can quit anytime you want. The point is that only someone who is willing to lay down his life to protect the people of the country should have a say in how it is actually run. Being a soldier is not something that is common or even looked really high-upon - Rico's dad can't even understand why he won't go into business like everyone else. Also, they are supposed to be MOBILE infantry - as in skilled troops with high-tech mechanized suits, not entire battalions of stupid grunts running with rifles, that's just sad really.

[@gamingforever9121]

@@Mrdardas99 the movie was a piss take of the authors ideas by the films director which I’m honestly ok with I appreciate the book for its insight and good story and the film for its fun 🤩 nature.

[@ericgrace9995]

@@Mrdardas99 Yep. The landing /power suits that could "leap tall buildings" and the mini nukes they carried.!! These things were smaller versions of what you saw in Pacific Rim..

[@christianwestling2019]

"He's a fucking dutchman, as if he's going to have a problem striping off." My sides! :D

[@Flakey101]

Communal showers are already standard in many of the Netherlands naval vessals. Why you get so many in the British navy volunteering for exchange programs with them.

[@josephcoon5809]

I’m surprised they didn’t explain the Double Dutch Rudder.

[@arbanalechordin4710]

Yes, our people have a thing for the naked and degenerate I'm affraid.

[@josephcoon5809]

@@arbanalechordin4710 Meh...if anything, clothing is degenerate. It makes people weak. The microbiological structures in our body that regulated our internal environment have atrophied since the advent of clothing.

[@josephcoon5809]

@Char Aznable 😂 Which? The Double Dutch Rudder, or the reliance on clothing?

[@NeonGhostin]

"Would you like to know more?" - I use this line as I scroll through social media.

[@lamarepository248]

I can just imagine him in auditions turning actors down because they’re too good at acting

[@gilian2587]

Sean Connery: "You don't approve? Well too bad -- we're in this for the species, boys and girls; it's simple numbers. They have more. And every day, I have to make decisions that send hundreds of people like you to their deaths." Director: Yeeeaah... no.

[@alexbrown4426]

Nah they were good actors just the people were too stupid to see they live in a fascist america

[@TransRoofKorean]

People never think: "they're good at acting, but they're playing totally average, unsympathetic, and/or unlikable people, so they're acting like average, unsympathetic, and/or unlikable because that's the role they're in, and the good director made it clear to them what they're expected to do"

[@gilian2587]

@@TransRoofKorean The actor who uttered that line was Neil Patrick Harris. That actor is actually really good in my book. And, yeah... the character he was playing was a douche.

[@darthwiizius]

@@gilian2587 Actual Sean Connery: "Sho you don't approve? Well too bad ---we're in this for the shpecies boys and ladies; it's shimple numbers"....

[@snoopywriter3643]

“Remember your training And you’ll make it back alive!” Said the officer who is the first to die 😂

[@Nurgles_Rot_]

It's not called a forlorn hope for nothing! First in the breach is the first to die!

[@Zontar82]

part of the satire of course

[@sofaking7045]

@@Zontar82 haha look how smart we are for pointing out the obvious while we sit on our asses and have poor people do all the grunt work for us

[@Zontar82]

@@sofaking7045 ....what

[@sofaking7045]

@@Zontar82 ah yes I feel like a genius watching soldiers shooting bugs up knowing how truly evil the military is

[@42k78]

"You don't have what it takes to be a civilian." One of the most fun to watch movies ever! Easily in my top ten.

[@Rockoblocko]

“Citizen”

[@Stinkyremy]

it is litterally my numer 1 movie, this came out when I was hitting puberty and was the "cool" movie of the time.

[@42k78]

@@Stinkyremy My dad wanted to see it so bad when it came out that he brought the whole family to see it. I was 6. My mom got really mad. My life was changed for forever in the right direction. I instantly asked for all the action figures for Christmas.

[@Stinkyremy]

@@42k78 it is a 15 movie, how did you get to see it when you were 6?

[@42k78]

@@Stinkyremy Starship Troopers came out in 97 so I was actually 9. I had to look it up.

[@H.M.SKingGeorgeV]

The more you watch these scenes, the more and more I see it in Helldivers 2.

[@duncanwade1026]

I love how everyone in the film acts like they're in a PG-13 teen romance flick, with their teenage romance drama, silly attitude towards each other, and single use of the word "fuck", when they're set against the backdrop of an R rated reality full of extreme violence, blood and gore, and sexual themes.

[@begobolehsjwjangan2359]

this movie and i believe the CGI animated series are targeting kids like i was back then, teenage and pre-teenage kids. remember animax? i was no more than 13 years old. starship troopers, macross, and gundam wing is an adult theme shows targeting the kids. i related to them more once i grew up. back then i only watched them because they have cool space ships, mechs, and cool battle scenes. after i grew up, "shit, those shows is way deeper than they appear to be"

[@reidboggs4344]

You know it honestly just reinforces the artificial propagandistic nature of the film.

[@jameshughes5722]

It's very american.

[@castleford2591]

That was the point of the backdrop to drive the satire home. Along with the commercials in the movie that were almost 1 to 1's of the original WW2 commercials to drive up recruitment.

[@war10zx98]

@@begobolehsjwjangan2359 I smell animax fan of culture. Also I agree with certain animes does go deeper in values than average normies view of anime fans.

[@aafgahfah]

When this movie came out, the tag line was “See it! Be amazed! Then see it again!” So they were telling people that it was more than just a shoot ‘em up. I remember how popular it was at the time. Happy days!

[@SumDumGy]

I don’t recall it being very popular at all. I actually think it bombed in the theater.

[@PNWAffliction]

lucky our generation could see movies like starship troopers and event horizon in theaters, the way they were meant to be watched.

[@ballswalls8189]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZ60Xnptmd2kbtU

[@fuzzywzhe]

It wasn't popular. At least 1/2 the audience didn't realize it was a satire and were disgusted that it was "promoting fascism" which it wasn't at all.

[@SumDumGy]

@ PNW Affliction, But Event Horizon was garbage.

[@johnbyron1077]

Cast: We'll only do it if you direct the scene naked. Verhoven: Joke's on you, I'm into that shit

[@Nloveru]

*Verhoeven

[@ktowniecity7269]

Going Dutch

[@ihave7sacks]

He was probably already wearing a robe with nothing underneath.

[@chrisricks6363]

@@ktowniecity7269 Commando?

[@hansgruber9685]

“You mean I don’t have to do that part when I get back to my hotel room? Wunderbar!”

[@Bloopet]

Helldivers 2 reference for sure

[@nightknight69187]

Yeah, I think this was probably a teaser for the Game

[@seatbelts365]

I didn't play the first one, but I'm pretty sure that's what the video is about. I didn't watch the video.

[@410zombie]

I remember my dad taking me to see this when I was a kid. Mom said no way, but my dad said hell yes! He passed away a year later unfortunately but that day at the movies with pop was everything👍

[@arnox4554]

My father hated it because he read the original book by Heinlein and the movie is almost NOTHING like it. I fully agree. Paul Verhoeven didn't even bother to read it and just decided to dick around making something else that people now associate with Starship Troopers instead of the actual damn book that the movie gets its namesake from.

[@DrDeuteron]

@@arnox4554 and that's why reading is bad.

[@Thomas-fz9xw]

@@arnox4554 You're right, but _maybe_ don't have this comment under the guy talking about a good day with his late father.

[@SCP--oz6oz]

@@Thomas-fz9xw took the words from my mouth

[@arnox4554]

@@Thomas-fz9xw Fair enough. I apologize but it had to be said and no one else was saying it.

[@starfire451]

The best nugget line was, "Remember your training and you will make it out alive." When you actually think about the training, it was hilariously devoid of any bug shooting

[@kaibean8046]

Maybe because they weren't training for bug fights yet?

[@ballswalls8189]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZ60Xnptmd2kbtU

[@neohermitist]

The guy who said it appears dead during the landing sequence. Seems like he died before even touching down.

[@rickyclarke1757]

If Im not mistaken, he told everyone to remember their training & he then got killed by a bug as soon as he got off the landing craft-love this film!

[@MrSpartanspud]

Yeah that's part of it that's actually pretty funny. They're trained for urban combat against humanoids but they end up fighting giant bugs in open desert.

[@josephiudice8287]

Verhoeven's little commercials and things in movies made Robocop and Starship Troopers the awesomeness that they are.

[@brucetucker4847]

I'd buy that for a dollar!

[@MrRickkramer]

Would you like to know more?

[@Firkinnel]

For a memory of a lifetime, Rekall x 3

[@toh6261]

I would like to know more about how I can buy that for a dollar.

[@ErikDeMann]

"Figuring things out for yourself, is the only freedom anyone ever really has." ~Colonel Rasczak, Starship Troopers.

[@TheChuckFina]

Drinker: "I don't think handing children live ammunition is a good idea." Me: "That's an American tradition. We call'em stocking stuffers!"

[@brll5733]

You call children that?

[@GlacialScion]

This is not even hyperbole for a certain percentage of our population.

[@nofunatall4094]

lol cant say I got ammo for christmass but my sister and I got 22 rifles one year.

[@elias_xp95]

You call them stocking stuffers, I call them finger bangs.

[@NonyaDamnbusiness]

I always got a bulk-pack of .22LR ammo for Christmas as a kid, to use in my Ruger 10-22. Just because Drinker grew up in a fascist monarchy that doesn't allow him much freedom doesn't mean that everyone else grew up that way. I highly suggest he get some perspective and come on over to Kentucky for some BBQ, bourbon, and range time with various weapons. IN THAT ORDER!

[@boberto22]

I quote this movie whenever I fix anyone's computer at work, "your computer has more bugs than Klendathu."

[@waitandhope]

Good one

[@josephcoon5809]

@@gsesquire3441 You seem like a lot of fun. I’ll remember to pander to the lowest common denominator when you are in the room. 😂

[@Thomas-fz9xw]

@@gsesquire3441 But it all pays off when that one guy goes "I'd like to know more!" It's called putting yourself out there.

[@josephcoon5809]

@@gsesquire3441 And why would laughter behind your back be relevant when their laughter is based on their own ignorance? 😂 You’re funny.

[@josephcoon5809]

@@Thomas-fz9xw BAM. Thomas gets it. Mr. Myagi gave chores to Danial. Only Danial didn’t realize his lesson was multi-layered. You can find use in everything around you, even mundane tasks. You can learn quicker and better when just the right emotion powers the neuronal connections being created and integrated. Don’t always assume you are the wisest one in the room because of your preconceived notions of superiority over others. You’re basically the Karate Kid before the opening credits. 😂

[@Aebischer1984]

“ The enemy cannot push a button if you disable it’s hand” Sgt Zim.

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

Legendary words

[@Aebischer1984]

@@SageOfLimitlessHands from the man who caught the brain bug 😎💪

[@nhmooytis7058]

Or bust a cap in its occiput....

[@frankgesuele6298]

Sgt Zim absolute legend.

[@MISTAJZA]

Medic!

[@trebizond4865]

Helldivers 2 bringing back the classic starship trooper vibe

[@Redcell6A]

Bumped into Casper Van Dien in an airport while waiting for a flight after this came out. Brief conversation; he was very down to earth.

[@MDVBIGDADDYQ007]

"Very down to Earth" You're a riot!!!

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

This was truly the greatest moment for him in his whole career. As far as I can tell it never got any better.

[@Sefert79]

@@JohnDoe-wq5eu Sleepy Hollow (1999)

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

@@Sefert79 Completely forgot he was even in that. I remember Depp and Ricci and that's about it. But I haven't watched it since it came out 20 plus years ago so there is that.

[@Halbi1987]

Did you say "You are doing your part" ? :D

[@zac5096]

Total Recall, Robocop and Troopers are all excellent films.

[@rantersparadise]

THIS.

[@khalidamajoud4114]

Preach!

[@kevindavidson8281]

All among my faborites

[@Zodroo_Tint]

Flesh+Blood

[@zac5096]

@Zorro Laplaya Not as crappy as your comment

[@dudeism400]

I love how hardcore Clancy Brown is in this, like when he throw a knife at someone's hand just for making a joke in the training camp.

[@gracegirl1086]

Frickin knew that was him lol.

[@amsfountain8792]

Not a joke but a lesson. If the enemy has not hand he cant push a button.

[@TheFlyingNostril]

That, and he threw it hard enough to stick into the metal wall behind the guy's hand.

[@r.l.royalljr.3905]

"The enemy cannot press a button if you disable their hand." - DI Sergeant Zim

[@templargfx]

"Put your hand on that wall!"

[@alanjm1234]

The thing that really struck me was the CGI. It was so good, so well done, you basically didn't notice it.

[@dread46]

The best CGi is that one which you don't even recognize as cgi.

[@fredhughes4115]

@@dread46 When I saw Jurassic Park I didn't know that there were no dinosaurs there - and they had basically just invented the technology for that movie. And...I had studied computer graphics while obtaining my Computer Science degree. When I found out that they were computer-generated I was blown away.

[@BezimiennyBot]

The thing that really made me realize the hidden depth of this movie was the fact that violence done to animals (the cow in the beginning of the movie and the insect queen in the end) was censored during the live broadcast, while all the gore imagery of people being torn apart was going through no problem.

[@captainmaim]

How can you call it propaganda when they have journos getting killed on the front lines broadcasting live? I think this review is complete shit. Drinker didn't read the book and neither did Paul Verhoeven. The Sky-Marshall who screwed up took full responsibility and stepped down, that's not a tyranny. Yes, the federal network is punchy and over-the-top... so? Go rewatch the classroom scene where Ironside explains about violence, Drinker.

[@jdottdeestv8149]

@@captainmaim Film and book are two different adaptations through different eyes. I for one have never read the books but love the movies, and Drinkers 3/4 there. Soooo you be a little salty huh...

[@MachinaGirlRobots]

I appreciated that

[@Razzlion]

@@captainmaim And if this was a review of the BOOK your point would be perfectly valid.

[@steelbear2063]

@@Razzlion Same shit happens in the movie, what are you talking about?

[@omega1231]

American Cast: "This naked scene is too much" European movies: "This sex isn't real enough, lets have them actually fecking"

[@randyjones3050]

America has never ceased being a fundmentally puritan country...even in the woke wacko 21st century. It was burned into our cultural DNA with the very first settlers from England. Modern woke culture is merely the latest form of puritanism that has manifested in America over the past several hundred years. That's why we have feminists delivering conflicting messages demanding female sexual emancipation while at the same time demanding that beauty pagents stop having bikini competitions.

[@jalpat2272]

@@randyjones3050 and reasons why mosaics censorship still mandatory at japan.

[@randyjones3050]

@@jalpat2272 I've wondered about that. I thought it was the law but wasn't sure. It seems like there would be a good market for uncensored versions published outside of Japan.

[@jalpat2272]

@@randyjones3050 modern japan laws pretty much still has echo of 1950s Eisenhowerian age to this day, and there was market for that but rarely accessible.

[@gunship0995]

@@jalpat2272 For a short answer for Japanese censorship, the law was long time ago but now not much people (young ones) care. But since it's the law, not many politicians want that record for supporting the un-censorship. It's also a country run by old men so they also have some old puritan values.

[@LesActive]

Michael fucking Ironside, indeed. One of the most reliably badass character actors ever with just a hint of cheese-whiz.

[@JulianSirian]

Love him as Sam Fisher...

[@jkdbuck7670]

Remember him in V ?

[@LesActive]

@@JulianSirian Had to look that up cuz I never played Ghost Recon but I might have to pick that up now.

[@SushiReversed]

@@LesActive *splinter cell. You meant splinter cell.

[@LesActive]

@@jkdbuck7670 Vaguely, haven't watched that show since it came out but I was a fan when it was on tv. Years later I saw that it had come out on videotape but didn't get it because prepubescent me still remembered it. Hard to regret that decision seeing how tape players are relatively rare these days but I would like to rewatch it now. I sort of enjoyed the remake, especially when the OG lizard queen made an appearance. My fave role of his was in Scanners. So gleefully evil. Check his imdb, he's had so many roles and is still busy.

[@SirTheobald]

rewatched this as part of my training to become a citizen, I used to love it as a kid but man it cuts much deeper than i remembered. I'M DOING MY PART

[@jackalope2302]

That bit about Paul V. selecting good-looking actors with limited skills on purpose is hilarious.

[@channelbelongtous]

Easily believable. The man is a troll of the highest skill

[@mmyers6441]

Watch Showgirls for more proof 😂

[@Mustlord_Guitar_Ambient]

TALK ABOUT A BALLER MOVE

[@Adjustment42]

Yeah, so hard to find in hollywood....

[@KrillLiberator]

@@Adjustment42 IKR, but to do it for satirical purposes rather than to coin it from your dumb audience without blowing the game...

[@t3h51d3w1nd3r]

robocop, total recall and starship troopers, the greatest sci fi films ever, Verhoeven is a legend

[@reasonerenlightened2456]

None of them address a solution to the exploitative relationship between 'owners' and 'employee'. Ultimately, the 'Employee' makes the products, takes those products to the market, sells the same products, he made, to himself and finally he pays a fee known as Profit to some 'Owner' for a permission to own the same products he made and sold to himself. The owner gets to collect profit for doing nothing.....and many call that 'earning' instead of 'taking'. The way forward to a better society is to increase and maintain a strong minimum purchasing power of the end-consumer using the magic formula. (Magic Formula: 'Your minimum Purchasing Power' = 'minimum wage' + 'Benefits payments' - 'Cost of dignified living from cradle to grave' - 'Taxes, fees, penalties') Firms are no more "legal entities" than your back-up power generator is a "legal entity", and it does not matter if it runs on fossil fuels or if a bunch of humans must run on treadmills all day. Firms are just property and should be treated as such by the laws. Save the minimum purchasing power of the human citizens instead of saving businesses/firms.

[@harunkarali720]

@@reasonerenlightened2456 Dude, wtf you talking about?

[@reasonerenlightened2456]

@@harunkarali720 Starship Troopers and the society it describes. ... and that there is a better new social order.

[@bramvanduijn8086]

@@reasonerenlightened2456 Of course these movies don't show any kind of solution, they are dystopias. On one level the entire point of them is to point out that simple solutions don't work for complicated problems. Robocop shows you can't solve crime by shooting at it. Total recall shows poverty cannot be resolved by murdering all poor people. Starship troopers shows that you can't just throw soldiers at a war. At the same time, they discuss deep philosophical subjects. Robocop discusses identity, it asks the question: Are you just your brain? Or do you need a body to be human? Total Recall also discusses identity, it explores the memory theory of identity. Are you defined by your memories? Starship Troopers' covers a more sociological subject, propaganda. Propaganda is like demonology: If there is any power in demonology, it lies with the demons, not with the summoners. Likewise, propaganda shapes the propagandizers as much as it shapes everyone else, it always results in a loss of control. There is a lot more going on, ofcourse.

[@0944clayton]

@@bramvanduijn8086 starship troopers is a libertarian utopia

[@drgonzo305]

*_This CGI still looks better than She-Hulk lol_*

[@philpants44]

Until you get the the 3rd one then it's shocking lol

[@RYKOR_ranger]

That's not really saying much

[@GameNabber]

Edgy*

[@mucy2807]

What’s In my toilet after waking each morning looks better than she-sulk 😂😂😂

[@liamortega3541]

​@@mucy2807 shit hulk

[@russellpierce3987]

Watched this with friends recently for the same reason many others have lately, and one of the things that really stuck with me in terms of the characters is how they are essentially groomed to be the ideal of what the military wants from them. it was a little difficult to understand why the psychic stuff is in there, but Carl specifically mentions control, over other people even, and in by the end Johnny has been so whipped into shape that he ignores Carmen for the mission, and only decides to go for her because of Carl telling him to. To me it feels like they're setting up the sort of roles they want people to play in service where everyone is like Johnny, unfeeling and only about the mission, and malleable to whatever commands are given to alter that.

[@MrLathor]

The entire movie is “slightly off” in a good way. It tows the line absolutely perfectly between satire and dumb action flick. I appreciate it in both ways. Also, the production values are actually shockingly good and hold up well for a movie from 1997. The use of practical effects and CGI are very effective. The gore is another aspect that drives home how absurd and grotesque the world is. Regular violence doesn’t phase these people because they are so conditioned to it, they are prepared to ripped limb from limb by giant insects like it’s just part of their job.

[@modernmythsart]

It's terrible satire. The director gave a libertarian utopia a fascist paint job and said "see!! look at evil nazis"

[@deadrivers2267]

@@modernmythsart you haven't read the book nor did you understand the movie.

[@modernmythsart]

@@deadrivers2267 point the fascism, then. I'm waiting (I've read the book and watched the movie several times). Categorical statements without evidence are dumb lmao

[@johnstrawb3521]

It's a dumb action flick using the tropes of satire to give it the illusion of depth. It never actually does anything difficult.

[@MrLathor]

@@modernmythsart Why would anybody take this movie so seriously? I’m literally laughing at the absurdity like I would Southpark or something. It’s not like I believe it has grand visions of political subversion. It sure as hell isn’t particularly deep, but that is ok.

[@jonathanbonde8808]

"Damn, this is Last Jedi levels of military incompetence" hahaha.

[@NeSeeger]

Who would you trust more the Resistance or the Terran Federation?

[@Unknown-hb3id]

At least the Federation has manpower and not just a single capital ship. Plus the Federation actually manages to create and maintain an actual society.

[@speedracer1945]

A national guard could fight better than these guys . If they used more jets dropping napalm on those aliens or a nuke would had wiped out most then send in the ground troops to the caves.

[@mrbojangles8133]

well this is older so it's more the other way around surely? No it isn't, and don't call me shirley.

[@kaihanstein52]

Yepp.. Speed Racer pointed out already some (!) issues. If you think about it, this "Fed" is REALLY incompetent. That is not a bug: its a feature! Goes under one of the many satire-elements of verhoevens masterpice: the whole society is based on military fashism thats hold together though war-hero propaganda.

[@IamDeathIncarnate1337]

"MEDIC!" ah that scene never gets old.

[@dfo990]

i thought this guy were more famous as the guard on The Shawshank Redemption

[@chindleymuffin]

There's an interview with that guy (Clancy Brown) here on KZbin. He said making that movie was a blast, the most fun he's had on a set for a long time. He's also such a nice guy in real life, he said the audition for Highlander required him to be really nasty to the casting director, who was a woman and he just couldn't do it, he thought he had blown his chances at getting it. Thankfully the director was there, he saw something in him and called him back. Also he said that everybody in the Shawshank Redemption cast got along really well, he's still friends with most of them and learned a lot from doing the movie.

[@coalescence3835]

@@dfo990 he’s also mr Krabs

[@MrJZNICA]

Helldivers 2 is making me reminisce about this gem of a movie

[@jecht86]

My Mom's boyfriend snuck us into this movie when I was 12. It was awesome and terrifying at the same time. When Halo 1 came out a few years later, I saw the similarities in the infantry armor design, infrastructure and star ships. Thanks dutch director dude.

[@MrSpartanspud]

I mean it's pretty similar to Aliens as well. And other stuff no doubt.

[@bloodsweatandbeers4684]

If you think Halo was similar you should play Lost Planet. Basically same enemy design.

[@jecht86]

@@bloodsweatandbeers4684 there was a game on N64. Armorines. That was another game!

[@tmhwriter]

There is no better movie than a movie you have to sneak into to see.

[@davidjuby7392]

What I loved about this movie is that as over the top as it was the allegory was subtle, it was only briefly flashed a few times and was simply shown and then moved on. There was no attempt to force a specific moral viewpoint and the scenes developed organically. This has always stood out as brilliant writing to me and is definitely a lost art in the pool of writers today.

[@bestdjaf7499]

I guess you weren't "far" Left in 1997. Well, I immigrated in 1997. So I saw the movie after 2000-2001. To me it was a cristal clear parody. I am actually 99% sure CNN used to say: "Would you like to know more?". (CNN had those Breaking News segments with "would you like to know more?" line). Anyway, it was the same in Vietnam & Afghanistan & Korea & ... We had the 1st Gulf War in Iraq in 1991 or something. So I am bit surprised that the majority didn't notice the overarching sarcasm in the movie. & I don't believe that it was anything to do with Nazis. I think it was a reference to the US military & culture. "America F@k Yeah!"" Btw, Those Nazi Uniforms are from Hugo Boss!! The dude influenced the bikers culture & gay culture......

[@trianglemoebius]

​@@bestdjaf7499 You're missing the point. The point wasn't that these things weren't there, it's that they were there but in service to the movie as a whole, instead of just there to tick boxes. Even if someone doesn't 'get' all the nods in Starship Troopers, they can still understand the message. Even if they can't do that, they can appreciate it as a decent movie. A lot of movies are political, but historically they've admitted it, and still been cohesive movies. That's all people are asking for.

[@bestdjaf7499]

@@trianglemoebius I actually really liked the movie. But generally speaking, Starship Troopers recieved bad reviews. "It received several negative critical reviews, reviewers suggesting that it was unsophisticated and targeted a juvenile audience, although some scholars and critics have also supported its description as satirical."

[@bb5242]

Most all the satire washes right past the typical idiot Americans who cherish this film.

[@artm1973]

Yeah it was subtle--as subtle as a sledgehammer.

[@AlwaysAskQuestion]

"I'm Rico from Buenos Aires and I say Kill Em' All" - John Rico from Buenos Aires

[@cy-one]

, who said to kill them all

[@AlwaysAskQuestion]

@@cy-one Johnny Rico from Buenos Aires

[@abbaszaidi8371]

Where’s he from again?

[@AlwaysAskQuestion]

@@abbaszaidi8371 John Rico? From Buenos Aires

[@abbaszaidi8371]

😂

[@avantegarde7797]

Wow, Drinker....now I have to go and do a rewatch of this gem, that I've not seen in so many years, to all that stuff I missed.

[@mmyers6441]

"Would you like to know more?" My favorite and most used line for nearly 24 years

[@peterkennedy7219]

My wife and I both say it frequently too!! Such a good movie!

[@michaelwilson5114]

It was the new "I'd buy that for a dollar"

[@ThomasTomiczek]

I love how when the movie was out it was marked as fascist propaganda. It was amazing - like the journalist and most of the people watching lacked the intelligence to see that this was DESIGNED to be over the top. Criticism in a nice form, sadly people where - and are - too stupid to understand it.

[@ThomasTomiczek]

@@mmyers6441 It was absolutely amazing. People so stupid. The movie is interesting, sadly ignores most of the depth in the book, but it was NOT a pro fascist thing. Those people would probably thing Charlie Chaplin was a hitler fan based on his wonderful performance in "The Dictator".

[@mmyers6441]

@@ThomasTomiczek True words!

[@shawntco]

The weird thing is, when I watched it for the first time some months back, I actually really liked the characters. They didn't seem that shallow or one-dimensional. And this makes me wonder, am I just an idiot when it comes to what makes for good film and story telling? Or is contemporary film so trash that it makes these characters awesome by comparison? Maybe a little of both.

[@DaveKatague]

Check out Eric Edsons Character Traits for Sympathy, I loved startroopers as a kid and for some reason I found it hilarious even though it was so gory. The more I think about it the smarter the movie becomes

[@DeputyNordburg]

The movie was awesome, the characters were awesome. I got that it was satire of the military when I was 8. Everybody patting themselves on the back for getting it now is just embarrassed they did not understand it before.

[@BenJaminLongTime]

We all are a little bit of an idiot on the inside haha. I think this movie is not a good movie to analyze yourself against, because it is kind of bad but kind of incredible at the same time. The characters whether good acting or not are exactly what they needed to be for the film to work the way it does. Therefore I wouldn't assume you liking the characters and stuff to mean that you don't know a good story, because frankly this movie is a good story, in an unconventional way though. Now if you say the same thing about Jurassic world or some other modern garbage film you might be onto something, because those truly are brainless effortless heaps of poo. The difference is you can pick Starship troopers apart and find depth and layers of content, even if they are portrayed in a comic way, Jurassic world on the other hand has no layers of any kind, just a lot of flashing lights and sound. (Not trying to pick on JW here, just it keeps coming to mind lol)

[@NathanCassidy721]

I mean, it is an awesome movie. And as a young man in his 20s when he saw it, I was throughly entertained by the man vs alien bugs and all the actors/actresses going full topless. But damn, between this and Robocop these films become better when you realize what subjects they actually cover and parody. It one of those things you don’t realize just how good it is.

[@aarondodo4076]

Oh the characters are not meant to be "unlike-able". They are simple. Naive. Powerless. Pawns willingly rushing toward to their deaths. So you won't find them "horrible people" or anything like that. You'd just feel a bit sad for them, and realize that there's nothing you can do to help. It's like "do you tell your kids that there is no Santa", at one point it becomes difficult. Can they be "like-able characters"? Oh yeah, at the very least they seem to be quite innocent and trusting young people with a positive outlook. Would you want to be just like them? Oh hell no those kids are doomed I tell ya, doomed.

[@jakeharris1357]

This movie is basically 90210 meets the horrors of war, and it still holds up to this day. Was one of the first R rated movies I ever saw.

[@jkee9760]

I love how after watching the man she chose to be with get his brains sucked out, walks out with Johnny and Nazi Harris and says "looks like crazy things happen when we are together" I laughed so hard at that

[@TheSpecialJ11]

Lmao, KZbin algorithm is on point today. I watched a Critical Drinker interview early in the day, and then a Helldivers 2 video in the afternoon. Now this. Excellent.

[@davell1078]

I'M FROM BUENOS AIRES AND I SAY I liked this movie when I was a kid, even without realizing it was a parody.

[@ecmorgan69]

Verhoeven might've meant it as a parody, but because he didn't understand the source material as he didn't bother to read it, it wasn't as satirical. I enjoy the book more, but the movie was still great fun to watch.

[@michaelsinger4638]

Funny thing is none of those characters looked or sounded like they were from Argentina.

[@Hiraghm]

What does being from Buenos Aires have to do with it? Because the bugs splattered it?

[@fernandogimenez7520]

Insertar Leonardo D'Caprio meme cuando el asteroide destruye Buenos Aires.

[@davell1078]

@@michaelsinger4638well of course we don't speak english, but Argentina is a 'slightly' white majority country. I mean I was the only brown mestizo dude in my class that was.. weird now that I think about it.

[@pangoprime8674]

“Come on you apes, do you want to live forever?!” -Johnny Rico

[@Exsellsior]

Sir, yes Sir!

[@PrinceMarcusWilliam]

@@Exsellsior You mean... RiCO'S rough necks!

[@Hiraghm]

Juan never said that. That quote is attributed, at the beginning of one of the chapters of the book, to, iirc, a footslogger of Sargon's.

[@Araknis_Slade]

Except he totally stole that line. In the movie it was Rasczak's line, but he probably stole it as well. Don't remember who it was attributed to in the book, it's been a long time since I read it, but honestly, Michael Ironside saying it just makes sense in the movie and sounds badass. When a Calvin Klein underwear model says it? Not so much...

[@KenshiroPlayDotA]

@@Araknis_Slade The line is said to have been uttered by Daniel Daly, a WW1 USMC hero during the Battle of Belleau Wood.

[@dagoelius]

"Put your hand on that wall soldier. PUT YOUR HAND ON THAT WALL!" -Sgt Zim

[@bunter6]

"The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand"

[@DefineHatespeech]

“MEDIC!”

[@TentaclePentacle]

if you can heal the hand with no scars or lasting effects, why not teach a lesson by sticking a knife in the hand?

[@kevlarandchrome]

@@TentaclePentacle Easy for the guy with the pseudopods to say.

[@TentaclePentacle]

@@kevlarandchrome heals the same way in a bacto tank.

[@Swiftduck00]

Loved you in dungeon crawler Carl. At first I thought Hayes was the most talented VA ever. "No way this dude sounds exactly like critical drinker!" Great job in that role! Hope to hear more of you around somewhere random lol.

[@GeorgeBPryor]

"the average citizen doesn't even have the right to vote." Sure they do, you're thinking of civilians.

[@SwingDancer61]

One of the elements the director accidentally left in from the book.

[@AHagridLookalike]

Service guarantees citizenship, of course.

[@Parasiticism]

@@AHagridLookalike Rico dad argued with him about enlisting. His parent are civilians and they were doing fine.

[@reasonerenlightened2456]

The class society of ancient Rome had citizens and civilians. Women were also considered civilians. Robert Anson Heinlein had this irrational belief in the existence of the warrior who would use force for the good of the many. In all his work he failed to address a solution to the exploitative relationship between 'owners' and 'employee'. Ultimately, the 'Employee' makes the products, takes those products to the market, sells the same products, he made, to himself and finally he pays a fee known as Profit to some 'Owner' for a permission to own the same products he made and sold to himself. The owner gets to collect profit for doing nothing.....and many call that 'earning' instead of 'taking'. The way forward to a better society is to increase and maintain a strong minimum purchasing power of the end-consumer using the magic formula. (Magic Formula: 'Your minimum Purchasing Power' = 'minimum wage' + 'Benefits payments' - 'Cost of dignified living from cradle to grave' - 'Taxes, fees, penalties') Firms are no more "legal entities" than your back-up power generator is a "legal entity", and it does not matter if it runs on fossil fuels or if a bunch of humans must run on treadmills all day. Firms are just property and should be treated as such by the laws. Save the minimum purchasing power of the human citizens instead of saving businesses/firms.

[@roberthill5549]

@@reasonerenlightened2456 - It's pretty obvious you've never attempted to start and own a business. The vast majority of business owners start from scratch, need to pay wages, taxes, upkeep, rent, benefits, insurance, etc. If there is a profit after all that, they get to pay themselves and feed their families. If not, they need to find ways to keep going, or they lose their entire investment. Most business owners are the first ones there and the last ones out. They are the ones that provide jobs for everyone else, and that's possible because instead of depending on someone else to make a living, they take on the entire risk and monetary investment of the business. Instead of whining about how unfair it is that a fairly successful business owner pretty well off, you could learn HOW they succeeded. Unless that's too much work for you.

[@ckotcher1]

I swear Casper Van Diem hay the most square jaw in human history. He’s like a Ken Doll come to life

[@jackj9816]

If he was a good actor he would have the best face for Batman

[@ottersirotten4290]

@@jackj9816 or Judge Dredd

[@Mak10z]

@@TacticalShinebox Bulk Slab Chest!

[@ckotcher1]

@@monjur1016 Didn’t he marry that chick from Dynasty whose daughter joined a cult? TBH I thought he could do better than her

[@orbojunglist]

[Laughs in Robert Z'Dar]

[@troyfoster6004]

Did you know the Marines in Aliens are based on the Starship Troopers novel? At one point Hudson even says "Is this going to be a stand-up fight, sir, or another bug hunt?"

[@vegeta8169]

Ha cool.

[@CountZero78]

The marines from Warhammer 40k are closer to the original Starship Troopers novel with powered armor. They couldn't afford the effect for this movie and chose to mimic the Aliens marine armour.

[@gfarrell80]

The Marines in Aliens are based on the book "A Rumor of War" IMHO. If you read it you see some parallels, I'd lay serious money Cameron read the book.

[@purefoldnz3070]

too bad Cameron never adapted Starship Troopers.

[@bullfrogg]

Bug Stompers!!!

[@StoryMode-gq9ei]

MY LIFE FOR SUPER EA-A-ARTH!!!

[@Sosozanyway]

This was the first rated R movie I saw in theaters with my dad. It holds a special place, because it's fuckin awesome lol

[@acemoe9588]

me too man...

[@Domestikos88]

Saw it with my dad too. Think there must have been marines in the theater when i saw this. It was quite lively

[@nostromo2112]

In the book jonnys father survives the attack joins him in the fleet. ‘Service guarantees citizenship’ Nothing of value is ever free

[@folgore1]

I read the book too...Heinlein threw it out as a last-second surprise. There are some things you can do in books that you can't do in movies.

[@Hereticalable]

In the book the Federation is a representative Democracy that uses the Mobile Infantry as precision strike special forces. Rico is also a Filipino in the book...and he is initially mocked by his father for wanting to join as they have a good family business, and there haven't been any wars in a long time. Federal Service is not primarily military in the book either

[@balrighty3523]

Yep. Citizenship (as per the novel) comes after you've earned it; you get a voice to effect change after you've shown you're willing to work within the system and be responsible for that voice in the first place. You have to do more than simply be born alive on one side of a political border. Also in the novel, civilianship did come with basic human protections and decency. About the only thing civilians didn't have was a vote (since it hadn't been earned yet). Though they did have the automatic right to apply for citizenship; everyone had a chance to volunteer.

[@jazzbear02]

Also, in Heinlein's book "service" does not equate to "military service". There are a myriad of non-military, non-violent options available, all good for citizenship.

[@flatebo1]

@@Hereticalable And it may not be in the movie's world, either. We are only shown the military, though, which leaves the impression that only military service counts. But it is, I would contend, a false impression. The point of service being a precondition to citizenship is to ensure that the citizen exercises mature judgment. You don't want a citizenry that just votes for whatever dumbass policy feels good in the moment. You want the franchise restricted to people who have skin in the game. To people who know that enforcing government policy means, ultimately, killing people who disobey. To people who have demonstrated that, when push comes to shove, they are personally willing to do that killing and consequently (in theory) won't adopt frivolous policies which put lives at risk for trivial reasons. What you don't want is citizens who vote for policy, then bitch about how that policy is enforced because they never bothered to spend a half-second thinking about how policy is enforced. Because service is a precondition to citizenship, the Federal Service has to take anyone who wants to serve. Regardless of ability. They'll find something for you to do, but the willingness to serve, to put country before self, to take personal responsibility for the safety of the people and the state is the essence of citizenship. And they very much mean "to take personal responsibility". There is no "I was only following orders" defense here. And that's why the Federation is not and cannot be a fascist regime. Fascism is about the subordination of the citizen to the state. Fascism is the fetishization of state power. It is about the duty of the citizen to the state. But the state has no responsibility or duty to the citizen. In a fascist state, service is required at the demand of the state. In the Federation, service must be voluntary. Verhoeven copied the aesthetic of fascism - the propaganda style, the uniforms, etc. - in the apparent belief that image defines reality. But under his fascist paintjob lies an antifascist core. Which Verhoeven never understood because he couldn't be bothered to read the book - or even pay attention to the parts of the book transposed into his script. He sees the Federation as fascist because he views the military as inherently always fascist. And since his movie is about the military...the military must be fascist. This is junior high school level political analysis.

[@jakekgfn]

The fact you know That the bad guy from highlanders name is Kurgan proves you’re a consummate professional

[@berserkerpride]

He's THE Kurgan.

[@eldeano9964]

Also the sadistic prison guard from the shawshank redemption and Mr Krabs

[@timothyfitzgerald3168]

He's also going to always be the best Lex Luthor. he was the voice of him in the animated Superman show.

[@halloweenjack8655]

He's the prison guard from Shawshank.....No he's Mr Krabs from Spongebob....

[@eddysandland58]

You can add Dark Hold? From Invincible!

[@thepajay]

Glad you came around TCD :D This movie is a staple of my childhood, and to this day quoted along with the rest of the terrible / awesome movies of the 90's. It was unapologetic, raw and just damn epic as it is.