Fatima Payman Affair

[@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns]

_"I try to think of the Labor movement, not as putting an extra sixpence into somebody's pocket, or making somebody Prime Minister or Premier, but as a movement bringing something better to the people, better standards of living, greater happiness to the mass of the people. We have a great objective - the light on the hill - which we aim to reach by working the betterment of mankind not only here but anywhere we may give a helping hand. If it were not for that, the Labor movement would not be worth fighting for."_ - Ben Chifley, Labor Party Prime Minister of Australia 1945 - 1949

[@Aussie_Leftist]

Absolutely, as it stands Australia is currently the 15th largest exporter of weapons worldwide. Labor wants us to be 10th and is spending over a billion dollars a year to try and get that to happen. That's a billion dollars not going to healthcare workers, teachers or to renewable infrastructure.

[@harpseal2]

@@Aussie_Leftist you are a vaush fan

[@corneliusmaze-eye2459]

That is still true, but sadly our political reality doesn't care for our idealised virtues, and sometimes sacrifices must be made for the greater good. No one in the Labor party - for the most part *cough* Gillard *cough* - is happy about the horror happening to the Palestinians, but the reality is nothing can be done about it without throwing our country to a terrible tyrrany. As government, Labor's first duty is to the sovereign, economic, social, environmental & soverign interest of Australia, not campaignig for the liberation of a people only America has the power to accomplish. If Australia did attempt it, it would be that scene in TLotR when Faramir and the Gondorians charge back into Osgiliath when its overrun by the armies of Mordor.

[@Tester-sh1mn]

@@corneliusmaze-eye2459 The greater good.

[@sdpearshaped831]

It's worth pointing out: Payman is a former union political organiser and Young Labor heavyweight. She is not naive, she knew exactly how the party worked and she knew exactly what she was signing up for as she had been in the party for almost her entire adult life. She is even married to a senior Labor staffer. Anyone who thinks she is completely innocent in this needs a bit of a reality check. She did not play this well. That said, neither did Labor. This could've avoided if they called for a conscience vote in caucus, but it's too late for that now. As for the next election, while it may cause issues for Labor, it will not be the dominating issue, which will be cost of living and nuclear energy. (Also, people who don't know anything about Australian politics or anything about internal Labor politics should probably refrain from making confidently incorrect statements in the comments section), what Jordan and Ali are saying is roughly correct. I do however, disagree with this idea that the Israel lobby 'runs' the US government. That rhetoric makes me a bit uncomfortable and takes us to a bad place. It has far more to do with the US foreign policy interests in the region.

[@brooke-lynnxo]

This actually clarifies a lot about the situation. Thank you!

[@Aussie_Leftist]

Might want to look at what happened in the UK elections and what happened there before you say that. 4 Labour seats knocked off by independence all of which were pro Palestine candidates. The last time an independent took a seat from a major party during a general election was, NEVER. This is a major issue for a lot of people.

[@sdpearshaped831]

@@Aussie_Leftist Firstly, the Muslim population is larger in the UK and more concentrated. Secondly, Muslims are not of one mind. The issue of Palestine is not just a religious issue, it's a settler colonial issue. Not all Palestinians are Muslims, many are Christians. Not all Arabic nations are Pro-Palestine either. Due to historical disputes between Sunis and Shia, some Suni states take a somewhat Pro-Israel 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' stance against countries like Iran, which is the most prominent Shia state. As for the UK election results, it was actually 5 Labour seats by my count, which yes would absolutely raise concerns for Labor here. Luckily for them, they have almost a year to figure out how to manage this. It'll only be an issue for UK Labour if the war continues for another 5 years. It could absolutely cause issues, but the Western Sydney seats in question - Blaxland (Jason Clare), McMahon (Chris Bowen) and Watson (Tony Burke), are all held on quite large margins. They can suffer a pretty large swing against them and still have the preferences returned to them. It's important to note that in the UK there is no preference distribution, so all you need to do to win a seat is to get the most votes (or what we call primary votes). When you look at all the Teal wins from 2022, they all won on preferences, meaning they came in second place on the primary vote. For the people this is a major issue of, most of them are already not voting (primary) for Labor, but instead Greens or independent before passing on their preferences. There is more of a swing in the UK because of the lack of preferencing causes many voters to vote tactically. Eg. If I am a Labour voter but the Liberal Democrat candidate has the strongest chance to unseat a Conservative MP, I would vote Liberal Democrat. So, the design of the preference system shields Labor against primary swings. It would take a massive to get an independent into second place and potentially un-seat these MPs on preference flow. On the independents also. I think it is unwise and reactionary to want a Muslim voice party. We should not be voting on sectarian grounds as it undermines the secular state and invites other religious groups of opposing thought to rise as well. Having this group running could potentially create a surge in far right Christian nationalism. This would be particularly bad for Muslims in Australia as Christians outnumber them. The last thing we need is a return to the tensions during the Arab Spring. No one should want that. Anyone stoking that unrest should be regarded as a slimeball. Unfortunately, that is what a great many Greens supporters are doing, and that's a problem. It's the worst kind of playing political games.

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

"That rhetoric makes me a bit uncomfortable and takes us to a bad place" The truth is the truth. Israel *absolutely* runs the US government. You saw how they completely wiped out the campaign of someone who wasn't 100% in their pockets.

[@adsjj1]

Crazy that they’ve Ignored Labor’s passed motion after to a Palestinian state with a 2-state solution. This is in line with Labor’s position and the greens voted against it.

[@connorcherry822]

For a channel expected to cultivate an informed community on the history, culture, and mechanisms of the Labor Party, some of these comments are surprising. The collectivist agreement within the Labor Party exists for a reason. Unlike the Liberal National Party, which is a broad-church of individuals with specific political fault-lines and minimal internal cohesion, the Labor Party is part of the larger Labor movement. The display of collective agreement within the ALP is crucial. Without this unity, milestones like the 8-hour workday wouldn't have been achieved.

[@StrangerInAustralia]

People just don't seem to understand that Labor suspended Payman for defecting. It could have been ANY issue and this would have been the outcome.

[@providence160]

@@StrangerInAustraliayeah you’re right but the issue is there are great divisions within the party over this specific issue which makes it a little hotter

[@robnewman5329]

I would love a bigger video on how the Israel war has effected Australian politics, like Jordan is right someone an issue on the other side of the world means what has been a great government domestically for people is under attack. And this is an issue that ONLY hurts labor like I was out talking to people at a party and dead set had one bloke tell me he hates labor cause they don’t support Palestine and another bloke tell me he hates labor cause they do support Palestine yet somehow the liberal party has escaped any scrutiny at all. I’d love your thoughts on this

[@Aussie_Leftist]

I assume the reason why one person said that Labor isn't supporting Palestine is because they are not. Why then is Labor being accused of supporting Palestine? Because with protests in the streets Labor made minor concessions to placate the public. Labor is losing votes for not supporting Palestine, most people who support what Israel is doing won't vote for labor anyway.

[@sdpearshaped831]

@@Aussie_Leftist There are technical issues around recognition of Palestine, the main one being the PA doesn't currently exist, so the recognition of the state would default to Hamas. Which is a difficult choice to justify to the voting public.

[@kearingoodwin4856]

@@sdpearshaped831there are no technical issues. Majority of countries have already given recognition to the State of Palestine. These ‘technicalities’ are to dragged recognition to appease the USA.

[@sdpearshaped831]

@@kearingoodwin4856 Its really not. That's not to say it's impossible to do, but it makes it more complicated for Australia because fundamentally the general public is fairly apathetic to this issue. About 35% of Australians supported recognising a Palestinian state. 21% oppose, 44% don't know / apathetic. It's worth pointing out we did vote yes to the UN resolution calling for a Palestinian state, but a formal recognition has more steps to it. It is difficult (but not impossible) to do this while there is no PA.

[@kearingoodwin4856]

@@sdpearshaped831 146 nations have already recognised the State of Palestine. Australia is one of a handful of nations that are dragging their feet in doing so. The ‘technicalities’ are a fake issue.

[@sqwert654]

all of sudden her eligibility to sit is questioned lol

[@garyandrews5104]

As it should be

[@sqwert654]

@@garyandrews5104 yea nut if there were questions they should have been asked, before pre selection I really don't care, just raddomconmenfs

[@garyandrews5104]

@@sqwert654 the Labour Party should have asked the questions… now we do… she is still a citizen of Afghanistan? Yes or no?

[@My1es]

@@garyandrews5104 they already did. She could not relinquish her citizenship because it happened during the Taliban's move into government. They were told by a lawyer that "she made all efforts to relinquish" which is the requirement.

[@garyandrews5104]

@@My1es “by a lawyer” … I think a court would be appropriate

[@BEXASTORIA]

Jordan we’re a fan of Australian politics and local shit because we have two corpses fighting for office over here. Your stuff is more interesting 😂

Necromancy is rife in US politics.

[@brooke-lynnxo]

I second this.

[@Woodex80085]

Feel bad for you.

[@Civman-yr8lb]

There's nothing about Australian politics and local shit that should draw your attention. It isn't more interesting, it's because you yanks have this weird perception of Australians as quirky and odd and you want to laugh at us.

[@_aitchfactor188]

I live for pissed off jordies political analysis

[@michaellynch7608]

Jordan's pragmatist vision of politics is now perfectly aligned with the likes of David Speers and Peter Van Onselen. What's the point of all the Chomskian analysis of the media when you just land on the same miserable neo-liberal positions anyway because "they will never let us have nice things? Do we just have to pretend that "new Labor" gives two hoots about working class Australians and they aren't spending the vast majority of their energy appeasing mining and property oligarchs and Murdoch?

[@emilmofardin2.0]

this comment section is wild

[@jamessmith5666]

RFK jr is currently 91-1 on Sports Bet! Get on it folks. He’s gonna be on all the ballots next month and he could Game-Stop that shit and get in. $100 = $9100!

[@stephenfricker8167]

i thought US immunity was for civil action not criminal action that is the difference with the ruling

[@twilliams2558]

‘The liberal party will ignore ethnic cleaning’ is that not what labor is currently doing?

[@danwhythough]

In China? Yemen or Indonesia? Which one are we talking about?

[@WillC-s5q]

​@@danwhythoughGaza.

[@DerekBesier]

Debt settled.

[@maanihunt]

Anyone know what bob carr jordan was talking about here?

[@Maximothy]

The crooked camera angle on Jordan is awful.

[@GoldenLion2004]

She voted the way that most resembled the ALP's national conference resolution. I think she is right and the rest of the ALP need to grow a spine now that they're actually in power.

[@natebernasconi]

Didn't she vote *against* the National Conference Resolution, that is to recognise Palestine as a country *as part of the peace process*? Rest of the Greens and the Liberals voted against it.

[@adsjj1]

No she didn’t, the ALP amended the motion to support “the recognition of the State of Palestine as part of a peace process in support of a two-state solution and a just and enduring peace”. That is in line with the ALP view on this issue. Greens voted against this.

[@Peta8888]

​@adsjj1 of course they did....it was "part of a 2 state peace process" which is a stalling tactic Israel has used for decades. Palestine is recognised as a sovereign state by 145 UN members. NOT as part of a "peace process". ALP are so wrong on every level to do with this, they are complicit in Genocide.

[@adsjj1]

@@Peta8888 The unfortunate reality is that an unconditional recognition of Palestine right now is taken as an endorsement of violent uprising. It is not a “stalling tactic Israel has used for decades”, Israel is a politically divided country. The current government openly says they don’t want a 2 state solution, previous governments have made genuine offers for one. Labor’s motion puts pressure on Israel too as nothing is more threatening to a far right Israeli government than a peaceful Palestinian leadership and movement. Endorsing a Palestinian state with Hamas involvement just gives Israel more license to reject peace and isolate themselves from the international community even more than they already have.

[@edt2572]

@@adsjj1 Israel has never adhered to any peace agreements in the past, they use them as cover to commit atrocities for a new deal to get worked out, break that deal, commit more atrocities while a new deal is worked out. Rinse and repeat. The only way for Israel to stop is a hard line stance across the globe in recognition of Palestine.

[@5thGenJack]

Isn’t it amazing that Jordan can come out with the EXACT position of the Labor party next to their blatant hinting at a Muslim party and fear mongering like some psycho. Posturing or not the greens continue to embarrass Labor publicly. Not like it’s hard

[@CeeVeeTeeVee]

Can we please have a link to the podcast that Mislav was talking about?

[@andrewiwm9980]

Is it a book or a podcast

[@CeeVeeTeeVee]

​@andrewiwm9980 the podcast being discussed around the 1:07:30 mark 😊

[@andrewiwm9980]

@@CeeVeeTeeVee yeah, it’s weird they didn’t give any links to it or at least say clearly what it was they were talking about

[@CeeVeeTeeVee]

@@andrewiwm9980 I don't know if anyone will see this so I might pop it into the patreon chat :)

[@chrisstam1070]

I am never voting labour or liberal again

[@KELLYFLETCHER1]

Doesn’t know how to spell labor correctly

[@blipblop888]

@@KELLYFLETCHER1 and what does that have to do with his or her point?

[@blipblop888]

@@KELLYFLETCHER1what grandiose counter-argument have you made by pointing out a simple spelling mistake?

[@irpwellyn]

@@KELLYFLETCHER1 that's the yankoid spelling

[@OnlyAchievingHere]

@@blipblop888”point”… where did they make one of those?

[@OzzyBoganTech]

Thay are already ignoring massive crimes

[@matthewludstrom4602]

Serious points aside, I laughed a lot.

[@dmk_games]

Ali "I'm not conservative" his best joke ever.

[@michaelhughes2969]

His a communist

[@Cassandra03]

I disagree with her on this specific choice but on principle the Labor party needs to start allowing for diversity of thought if they are ever going to expand their base and be able to win consistently.

[@danwhythough]

They do allow it. She decided not to bring it up behind closed doors and then aired this in public. It’s not things are done. Workers need to join together to raise wages and work conditions, not splinter over a conflict that’s been ongoing for 1000 years with no end in sight. The owners of businesses love labor infighting, it’s great for their bottom end.

[@billgeh2381]

You don't do it on the voting floor. The diversity of thoughts comes from behind closed doors. Labor doesn't get enough seats to allow for party members to disagree

[@andrewn8441]

Ali is wrong on support for Bibi, this is easily verifiable by just googling Israel polling… Support for far right parties in Israel is around 6% of the vote, Haredi parties which make up another ~10% of the vote also are in Bibi’s coalition. Likud itself isn’t far right it is definitely more right then liberal but isn’t comparable to Pauline Hanson etc Israel has MANY political parties so unlike Australia there never will be 1 party forming majority always the government will be a coalition this can be a good or bad thing It’s likely the next coalition Gvt will be based of a centre right National Unity Gvt (yea that’s the party name) with Gantz as the PM If you want to learn more aboht Israeli domestic politics then please listen to “call me back podcast” (it’s in English) and stop reading Haaretz it’s like Israelis BuzzFeed, complete far left nonsense

[@vanessac1965]

Likud have run on the platform of eventual annexation of all Palestinian land. Read their 1977 charter: 'from the river to the sea must be Israeli rule only'. Hamas didn't even form until 1988. Tell me how exactly a platform of literally erasing the indigenous people and stealing their privately owned land isn't 'far right'. And don't give me the 'jews are indigenous' crap. They're as indigenous as Australians will be to Britain in two thousand years.

[@danwhythough]

What should Israel have gone after October 7th? Can anyone provide a non-violent way to remove Hamas from power? Would be curious if anyone can offer any actual solutions?

[@elliotyourarobot]

Why should they removed from power?

[@adsjj1]

@@elliotyourarobotbecause they intentionally killed hundreds of civilians bud

[@elliotyourarobot]

@@adsjj1 And Israel?

[@danwhythough]

@@elliotyourarobot so you’ve got nothing? Thanks for trying I guess.

[@elliotyourarobot]

@@danwhythough You haven't answered my question.

[@natebernasconi]

One thing that's confused me is 50 years ago these people were Jordanian and Egyptian. Israel occupied Jordanian and Egyptian land during the 6 Day War, when Egypt tried to cut Israel off from the ocean and then all the Arab countries surrounding went to war with Israel, and then somehow these people developed a collective Palestinian (a country that had never previously existed) identity years later?

[@danwhythough]

Shhh. An actual understanding of the complexities of history are not allowed in the Israel Palestine discussion. It’s all slogans and buzzwords.

[@aismail8321]

This is quite stupid, when the land was called Palestine for centuries before, and there were coins and stamps and numerous artifacts referring to the same fact. The identity of the people living there is not the issue. They have been wronged and continue to be wronged immensely. That's the issue. If Israel wants to enjoy the peace and security that comes with international law and order that was established after WW2, then they have to abide by that law. But unfortunately, that has not been the case, because they continue to steal more land, and actively run a militarized apartheid regime and are actively trying to genocide them declaring and enacting their intent without any impunity.

[@peterward9446]

cf.GOOGLE: Palestinians Invented by the KGB - Bob Ryan

[@drake1896]

Jordan as a country only existed after ww1

[@peterward9446]

This cleaves the Gordian-Knot: kzbin.info/www/bejne/inKQqpaobNCCg7M

[@midgetwars1]

Fatima shouldn't have broken the Labor pact. How would people feel if you vofed Labor but a bunch of them suddenly decides to always vote with the LNP for 'diversity of views'

[@Aussie_Leftist]

She represents her constituents first, then party, then country. Her constituents will vote for her again.

[@midgetwars1]

@@Aussie_Leftist she represents Labor in the senate as a third place Labor. She didn't get voted in on her name, she got voted in cos of her party. You'd be more correct if she ran as an MP in the lower house.

[@lisahayes802]

She got 1682 votes. If she wasn't on the Labor ticket she wouldn't have been elected in the 1st place.​ The idea the entire populationof WA is behind her is ridiculous@@Aussie_Leftist

[@Peta8888]

Every Labor voter I know, and I'm part of Labor friends, all are 100% behind Fatima. Albo and penny should have sanctioned isreal in November

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

On this Fatima Payman shit, I think that it and Palestine are *really* gonna fuck the Labor Party next election. Greens sabotage or not, Albanese look so insanely weak, and people are turning on him, because of his complete refusal to do anything other than exactly what the Americans want him to do in regards to Palestine. I get party unity is a good thing, but this is one of those times where it's such a hot button emotional issue (and frankly, it should be, I really think Labor's reaction to this has been *awful)* that I think they should have just quietly brushed this one under the rug and privately told Fatima that she needs to follow party line. Even just optics wise, this war has annihilated Albanese's popularity, and it's *going* to hit them next election. I know that Albanese is trying to avoid getting Kevin Rudded, but *fucking hell* he looks so weak every time he bends to the Israeli knee. I'm a Muslim, and my mosque are *furious* about this. Our mosque met with the local Labor member and gave him a petition basically saying "PLEASE HELP OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS".

[@GoldenWaveTitans]

Did you do petitions saying "please help our brothers and sisters" when hundred of thousands of them were being slaughtered in Syria or Yemen? Or is it only when it suits your double standards?

[@philmckrakin6752]

​@jsuter2849 yeah wonder if the genocide of Nigerian Christians by ISWAP, Boko haram and Fulani was mentioned. Or the treatment the people of West Papua have been receiving for so long.

[@GoldenWaveTitans]

@@philmckrakin6752 I'm absolutely anti-Israeli government (And I LOVE the people, like I love ALL people) but the constant double standard from some (not all) Australian Muslims when it comes to this particular war is beyond disgusting. We all know why they're so laser focused on this particular one...

[@philmckrakin6752]

@jsuter2849 yeah I'd like a bit of consistency too. All atrocities need to be called out. Not just the flavour of the month ones.

[@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns]

The only people who are consistent are the consistently lazy. If someone calls for justice in Palestine, you should support their call, not retort by saying "where were you on the West Papuans?" Support the West Papuans too. Support human rights everywhere.

[@OfficialAshArcher]

She needs to resign. Gets elected to represent a party and then buggers off because she decides not to honour what she’s agreed to when joining the party and being elected. Selfish and narcissistic.

[@psych0536]

The spiteful briefing wars against fatima are fucking insane. Labor and the press bringing up bullshit about expenses and questioning her eligibility to sit in parliament as soon as she goes against the party. Labor knew about any possible issue with citizenship and ignored it till now. Ive supported Labor for years but federal labor is losing me. I cant stand the greens but ill probably give them (or some non-crazy independent) the first preference next time in the hope labor take notice of the base being lost

[@Aussie_Leftist]

@@psych0536 you're not alone, I see the proportion of independent and small parties in government growing.

[@peterward9446]

GOOGLE: Payman, Abdul Wudud Paiman Wodood, 1958, Ex Wolesi Jirga Member

[@MrRyan26]

Thanks for mentioning Destiny Ali. Big fan of him and Jordan and would love to see them both discuss politics.

[@Mommythief0069]

Here's my morality with israel Palestine. Innocent people dying is sad. However, hamas is saying they won't stop. Idk what israel can do outside of what's going on tbh. It's just a incredibly sad set of circumstances.

[@elliotyourarobot]

@@Mommythief0069 So your pro occupation or unjust peace?

[@Mommythief0069]

​@@elliotyourarobotI'm pro what leads to the least deaths over the longest period of time needed. Given religious influences on both sides (BB Netanyahu calling Palestinians amalek.) (Hamas referring to quran passages where the jews and Christians are genocided) it may be extremely tricky but international bodies should be listened to.

[@elliotyourarobot]

@Mommythief0069 So an unjust peace then where abuses, atrocities, and torture are normalised and kept away from foreign public eye. I admit I hadn't taken you for a sadist.

[@Mommythief0069]

​@@elliotyouraroboti'm not pro israel or pro Palestine, i'm anti innocent death. I'm sorry I don't treat innocent lives like picking a sports team.

[@elliotyourarobot]

@Mommythief0069 So you're for ending the unjust peace of the occupation?

[@Wagon_Lord]

Not a fan of superhero movies, but I would 100% watch a bollywood pepsi man movie.

[@My1es]

pro Fatima :)

[@hexolomgaming9498]

Do you think she'll survive as a independent

[@My1es]

@@hexolomgaming9498 I probably know nothing about politics but... do you mean, will she survive as an independent when labor is pushing to try to get her off the senate as an independent, or do you mean will she survive as an independent in the next election which will be in 4 years. the first, no idea the second, absolutely if she becomes a Pocock like figure. I will vote for Pocock again next election, and I would vote for Fatima (if I was in WA/knew her stance on LGBTQ). Plenty of Labor voters are pro-Fatima's stance. to those who say she shouldn't be able to run because all the votes she got were above the line: I don't think you can rely on the 'simplicity' of above the line voting where an electorate don't know who to vote for, and just voting for the party, and then say 'she wasn't voted by numbers!!!'. That doesn't gel with me. and to those who think it's not our problem. We can't have a country with a global economy, and not have a global conscience.

[@hexolomgaming9498]

@@My1es sticking to topic "knew her stance on LGBTQ" i thought she'd be against it because it goes against her religion?

[@My1es]

@@hexolomgaming9498 If she had anti-LGBT views don't you think the media would have smeared her already? - they tried with her donating to a muslim media channel with questionable content and my reply to that is "does that mean any netflix subscriber is anti-trans because it has Dave Chapelle's stand ups on it?". I will wait with an open mind, instead of judging her like you have with your question.

[@hexolomgaming9498]

@@My1es my views werent to be taken as offensive, it was a genueine thought because of her religion. and also i am under the impression that islam is incompatible with lgbtq views

[@S_Padival]

Labor voter here. Never voting Labor again until American Capo Albo and Pentagon Penny Wrong are gone. Will vote Greens at the next election.

[@GoldenWaveTitans]

Lol

[@hexolomgaming9498]

youre actually mental

[@chellesheree403]

I'm with you hey!

[@georgiaclinton6355]

Me too, greens are getting my vote

[@thomassmart4088]

Adam cheap knockoff Brandt

[@JoshuaMcTackett]

Am I the only one that thinks all this middle east drama is really dumb? I feel like I must be. Israel and Gaza has happened for decades, war in and about that area for centuries. Nothing our little country on the other side of the world does will resolve that. Meanwhile, we could be focusing more on actually fixing housing supply, cost of living and the energy transition.

[@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns]

If you and your family were suffering genocide, would you want the world to look the other way?

[@AlfiePT]

Jordies says pretty much the same thing at 15:06

[@JoshuaMcTackett]

@@AlfiePT Yeah I made the comment a few minutes before getting there. I was fist pumping in agreement.

[@JoshuaMcTackett]

@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Yeah look nobody wants genocide, and it’s all really important stuff, but it’s about what we can affect. While the media, punters and politicians focus in on these issues, Coles and Woolies crank the cost of your food with impunity, which is something ONLY our government can affect, and they can affect it directly. This drama ends up with a divided party, weakened to affect change that helps us all here for what? So we can feel a bit better morally for wagging a finger at Benjamin Netanyahu, which he will not care about. Hell - we can’t even affect the Chinese government genocides and they’re our biggest trading partner. Really I just don’t know what the desired outcome is here of our politicians.

[@Woodex80085]

Here here

[@mickgatz214]

I will give Fatiima Payman a VERY GOOD Affair! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@windwaker0rules]

This video and all Jordie's views would be banned on the reddit friendlyjordies page for being antisemitic.

[@_aitchfactor188]

this is officially the best episode I've heard yet anyone who doesn't believe me is nitpicking and biased, I win, bye bye

[@OzzyBoganTech]

Mis love are you insane

[@Cassandra03]

There are so many people who would vote for Labor if they allowed for diversity of thought that currently don't.

[@hexolomgaming9498]

They do

[@Cassandra03]

@@hexolomgaming9498 I'm not electing a local mp that is forced to tow the party line and support things like abortion and euthanasia. Diversity of thought in the actual votes on the floor matter too.

[@hexolomgaming9498]

@@Cassandra03 They do allow it. She decided not to bring it up behind closed doors and then aired this in public. It’s not how things are done.

[@Cassandra03]

@@hexolomgaming9498 I don't care "how things are done", I care how things SHOULD be done.

[@hexolomgaming9498]

@@Cassandra03 then are you of the opinion the u.s. goverment being better because they do exactly what youre saying but they pass fuck all legislation

[@peterward9446]

What background checks were done on Payman - both by WA Labor & ASIO?? Her Egyptian mentor & founder of the Australian Islamic College Hajji Abdallah Saad Magar may well have 'Muslim Brotherhood' links ... he's also a convicted fraudster & has done jail time for it ... perhaps even more worrying is that she was poster-girl for the WA Muslim Students Association - *_which is undeniably the ideological-spawn of the Salafi Muslim Brotherhood_* ... she also funds the Salafi "One Path Network" ... WTF did Fudd & Co. have in mind when they were grooming her for a Senate sinecure??? *_ref._* "Two such clear and obvious groups created by the Salafi Muslim Brotherhood are ISNA, the Islamic Society of North America, now the largest Islamic group in the U.S and the MSA, Muslim Students Association found in nearly every western University on earth, all of which are dominated by Salafi’s, a heretical group that is less than 1% of the world Muslim population yet dominates those who represent 99% of Sunni Islam in these lands."

[@BeDifferentAjmal]

First of all, all these associations with Muslim brotherhood are kinda generally done by general Fox-News viewing idiots with a racist one-eyed worldview that conveniently ignore the most violent, bloodthirsty and inhumane elements of the western civilisation and its nation states. Secondly, MSAs are there in almost every university in Australia and are melting pots of all different spectrums of Muslims from all over the world. Lastly, you are really stupid if you think that Muslim brotherhood is a declared terrorist organization or something anywhere in the west. It only scares the dictators in the middle east aided and abetted by western nations for their own self-interests against the wishes of the people of those countries.

[@lilmark6206]

Salafis are Sunnis...

[@peterward9446]

@@lilmark6206 Ditto - we need full disclosure re. the nature of the relationship of her grandpa - who is her political lode star - back in Kunduz, to the [virulently Anti-Western] Salafist Para-Military outfit Hizb-e-Islami .... also - why is she permitted to use taxpayer money to fund hardcore Salafist "One Path Network" ... c'mon Albo - cough up

[@creepersonspeed5490]

@@lilmark6206 really shows you that we need to consider very carefully who we believe

[@OzzyBoganTech]

My good this video is just crappy shyt

[@davidbright6790]

Absolutely garbage takes.

[@fatbastard51]

Care to elaborate?

[@danwhythough]

Jordies needs to stick to domestic politics. International relations is too much to just guess at. Israel Palestine alone is a lifetime of study, and then there’s China and South Asia. Most people who are “America bad” are people who want to have a hot take but can’t be bothered actually learning anything so they default to “US bad” because it saves them having to learn anything about any country that isn’t the US. It’s very annoying to hear from smart people.

[@paperback333]

Thank you for your insightful indepth commentary, truly an orator of our times.

[@Oppetsismiimsitsitc]

Biden is gonna lose lol.

[@OzzyBoganTech]

U have lost all credibility with this video

[@Mommythief0069]

Ah yes, people lose credibility because they disagree eith you on an issue lmao

[@GoldenWaveTitans]

Hahahahaha

[@hexolomgaming9498]

lol

[@TypeJack]

All of that time unearthing the underbelly of NSW politics LOST now

[@GoldenWaveTitans]

@@TypeJack Yes, tearing apart a corrupt Liberal government and forcing a Deputy Premier to resign apparently no longer holds any credibility. Incredible scenes in the comments section.

[@andrewiwm9980]

She’s a 29 year old, just coz she is given a lot of responsibilities doesn’t mean she’s not a baby, she’s too young to think and behave wisely

[@Anti4skingang]

That’s right we need more 60+ year old politicians to plan for Australia’s present and future!

[@sdpearshaped831]

I would actually say her age has got nothing to do with it. She has been involved with the ALP for a long time and has been a union political organiser. She knew what she was doing.

[@andrewiwm9980]

@@Anti4skingang tbh, young people are not calculated enough and do not have enough life experience to make clever choices, and although I do concede they do make more morally decent choices, all their gains come in the short term only and they always suffer in the long term as all populism does… Argentina and Germany are a prime examples of this

[@andrewiwm9980]

@@sdpearshaped831 being brave is different from being a good leader, all young people, especially those from religious backgrounds, are very brave even in their ignorance but no matter how many leadership positions they undertake, they just don’t make good leaders… a lot of our braveness as young people always gets mistaken for leadership which exposes us to a lot of pain… the human brain unfortunately doesn’t finish growing until it is at least 28-29 years old

[@gtvwill]

You shouldn't be allowed in politics if your over 60. Retire already gramps. I'll like a 20 year old politician over a 50 year old. Atleast the young one might still have a spine.