What is the BEST Sniper Primary in TF2?

[@mcwatte]

The most organized FatMagic has ever been

[@CrazyWS]

Wonder if he wrote a script or just went from gun to gun and said whatever came to mind

[@Fatmagic]

Organized magic has arrived

[@GarkIavs]

@@Fatmagic organized magic is called sorcery

[@rift3487]

@@GarkIavs witchcraft

[@SilveeYT]

@@Fatmagic 😂

[@drgumper8056]

Psychological damage isn't talked about enough. When applied effectively that person could end up throwing the game doing something stupid. Like b-lining for a sniper instead of capping the point.

[@JoshuaGraves113]

One thing I used to do for fun was just play as spy and shoot someone once. They'd run around the map trying to find me but I'd just be chilling in a corner somewhere watching. Don't even gotta kill a dude to make people super paranoid and have them throw the game.

[@thefinger1776]

@@JoshuaGraves113 I don't even shoot, I just appear behind them and let them hear the decloaking sound then immediately turn invisible

[@miked5163]

Piss gun is really fucking annoying in this regard cuz every kill shows up as a bodyshot

[@randomowlet4934]

@@miked5163 unless you are somehow crit boosted and land a headshot

[@UeusD]

@@thefinger1776 C5 as spy (no disguise) to fuck with people, the sounds spy does are made for building paranoia, a lil chuckle, the whistle, while any voice line works, these are the best

[@Poopafartium]

Fat magic! Theres a cool trick with the heatmaker where you can get out of the scope right after a shot, so you can juke other snipers

[@NikolasoGames]

That's what makes it really useful. So you don't necessarily need to be "scoped in" at all times.

[@Fatmagic]

I just found out about that from another comment. Shows how much I know haha

[@saihtama]

@@Fatmagic make a video about it now uwu

[@clausch.3517]

@@Fatmagic If you want to know more about how this, I recommend you check a video called "Hitman's Heatmaker - Tips & Tricks" by HiGPS, he goes into detail about how to maximize the scope mechanic.

[@bryannaing6316]

Wait, that wasn't common knowledge? I randomly found it myself and thought it was just common knowledge because of it

[@gonturan0585]

love how this starts out professional (because Snipers are professional) and then Fatmagic's jokes come out of nowhere and at some points blend in seamlessly with the professionalism

[@thomas9346]

Hey Fatmagic, been watching for a while! I think this new series is perfect, it's very entertaining and there's a lot you could do with it ( Best Demoman primary, best sniper secondary...). This also brings a new element to the channel which is a more informative video type rather than always more of a comedic type which is good (not to say your normal videos arent great lol). Keep it up!

[@DaKingKayden]

Every time i see a positive comment I always think it's a bot first I hate this platform

[@thomas9346]

@@DaKingKayden lol no bot here 👍🏼

[@DaKingKayden]

@@thomas9346 yes, I know

[@Mabra51]

7:51 That ragdoll was so good lmao!

[@Keric22]

The best Sniper primary just so happens to be the one that has you performing so well, that you're accused of (bad) aimbot gaming frequently. Those bloody haters just can't handle the fact that you're embracing the swell of Boss Baby gaming energies by using such powerful arms.

[@siwnares_]

primaries don't have anything doing in these situatons. boss baby is so powerful he can get accused with any primary. it just proves how powerful boss baby is

[@NoName-xv5nn]

Classic in my case

[@yatazen7670]

i was kicked from a server once while "cheating" as sniper i was using the classic

[@gisopolis77]

i agree, the tomislav is the best sniper primary

[@watchman0062]

@@gisopolis77Haha, I get it.

[@davyespectador]

This video was way better than I expected when you talked about making it, and I expected it to be great, so I'd love to see more of this type of video!

[@reagansido5823]

6:30 "fuck the huntsman" That would be pretty painful ngl.

[@athr_eus]

The splinters… oh god the splinters would hurt.

[@rexvermis]

I actually really enjoy that you're doing a video like this rather than your usual casual pub shenanigans. Thanks for making great content on both ends. Excited for more videos like this in between your usual stuff.

[@CAPTAINN0NSENSE]

I actually really like this format of video, I can appreciate your takes on these weapons. I hope you make more like this!

[@claudiotorres6993]

Beautiful video. Totally diferent from every other tierlist. Great for casual players.

[@Collisto2435]

I often compare the Classic to the Huntsman. They don't do as much damage as stock, and make you move slower while charging, but give you better awareness of your surroundings and be able to flip around in an instant.

[@giggen7247]

Glad to see you make this video, gonna be interesting to see what kind of different content you come up with moving forward!

[@dinkleberg7731]

I know everyone is saying it already but I’ve been watching for a long time and you should 100% make this a series! I love balancing your funny videos with your (a bit more) serious videos that still have your charm. You should do this for every class even if you don’t play them much because no one knows better than boss baby.

[@awerelia]

the bargain is just easily the best. once you get past the -50% charge time threshold (which isn't even that much of a downside like like the machina has, just wait to charge a shot before peeking) its exactly like stock, and from that point onward can get 2 and a half times stronger than stock for playing normally, hell even more aggressively once you get more kills since you charge so much faster, which means less risk in taking really fast, up close shots. and even if you do die, its not hard to get them back given you're playing sniper in the first place, unlike something like air strike or demoknight. fun fact on that, the bazaar bargain, air strike, and eyelander can have their kills transferred to yourself or the enemy if you kill them or get killed by them if they're wielding one of them, and have any amount of kills on them above 0. for example killing a demoknight with 3 heads as an air strike soldier will get you 4 kills, since you get the three kills the demoknight did prior, plus for killing the demoknight.

[@lyell63]

Agreed. On competitive machina is probably better since the other sniper can take you out more often than your average pub sniper but on casual a good bazaar one is powerful as fuck

[@aiden4884]

This video was great! Very well informed and collected list! Would love to see more content like this in the future like the secondary and melee list for sniper!

[@eykan_ow]

Really like the format of this one!

[@TKsh1]

Since every sniper rifle minus the Sydney Sleeper still does 150 damage, they're still pretty much viable and you just need to change depending of your playstyle. Bazaar Bargain is probably the most -broken- powerful since it's almost impossible to counter it with the faster charging.

[@lucas_rocker]

Takeshi!

[@justafan9206]

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[@DannyCheezits]

the only thing that can counter a bazaar bargain sniper with 6 heads and a team covering them is a sniper going into the most obscure hiding spot feasable and peeking for .2 seconds to do a quickscope headshot

[@callumbreton8930]

​@@DannyCheezits I mean Spy and Bonk Scout are pretty good counters

[@DannyCheezits]

@@callumbreton8930 having multiple people switch to spy to kill a single guy whos wiping the lobby is a surefire way of getting steamrolled

[@ffwast]

I remember when the machina had just been added and I got my genuine machina and just went on a rampage. The sound it made when I cored the enemy team like an apple by killing like five people with a charged shot as soon as the gate opened made me feel like a god, it was incredible. Good times.

[@RegalRoyalWasTaken]

I feel like the best way to make the classic more conventionally useful would be to make it so that when it nails a headshot and explodes an enemy, any enemies or buildings around it are damaged. Maybe something like a flat 75 health if you're right next to him and then it falls off a bit if you're further away until it just does nothing at all.

[@thatguybrody4819]

The classic for sure. You need practice and time but once you get good the gun never ends

[@Afrecta]

This was actually a really good video, very fun and informative, love it! Never be afraid of trying new things!

[@gam3636]

ive noticed this in both modded cs 1.6 and tf2 reskins. even if the weapons are the exact same, the appearence and sound gives them a certain feel that just makes em feel better and more comfortable sometimes which can help you get better

[@Skippyxlxlxl]

I am actually happy that fatmagic can help me decide a primary for the sniper because I have just been around the board of choosing one sniper weapon but now I can get a secons oppinion on choosing.

[@mrgodzillaraptors8632]

I remember a long time ago, there was a sniper on my team who was incredibly nutty and hitting most of his shots. He was using the Sydney sleeper because “I like it”. Anyway, the enemy team got so pissed that 4 of them went scorch shot pyro and targeted him. They lost the round shortly after due to having no power classes or engineers

[@SamuelUlfsson]

Great video! I liked the way you incorporated fun moments into a relatively organized take. It makes the video both fun and informative

[@delano4526]

7:51 THE WAY THAT SOLDIER FLIPPED IM CRYING 💀

[@adamlmao6893]

I love these info videos, and I'm really glad you stepped out of your comfort zone to try this. This turned out really well!

[@primussucks1344]

I feel a lot more comfortable peeking corners with the classic, i'm not so great at sniper, but in most cases, i'd prefer to use the classic over any other rifle

[@migueeeelet]

The classic being "underperforming" means that you don't have to worry about your own efficiency. Else you'd be using another gun!

[@DaKingKayden]

Gib go brr

[@tiiujaanson2865]

hitting an kill with classic just turns it into a blood cloud

[@ENFERMO_CAPO]

The classic is the best

[@chillyconmor]

i like being able to headshot one shot ppl with a wide fov and not be tunnel visioned if i ever want to charge

[@DoubleTwo2AA]

3:53 pls tell me the song name i've been trying to find that crap for like 2 months now. Also this video is very well made, andi really like that you also threw in some clips where you used those weapons unlike most people who make tier lists, cuz most of them are just talk about them and rank them, and overall the entire video is just boring.

[@Fatmagic]

It is called "World Bowser"

[@DoubleTwo2AA]

@@Fatmagic TYSM

[@tsbiggles]

Damn, I loved this perspective and format from you. I really appreciate the time you spend on the script. Good flow of info and your thought are well composed. More of this please!!!

[@McBuff]

I just like using the heatmaker because it’s quiet. In mid- to close-quarters, or when you’re in a good hiding/sniping spot, not making much sound can make a big difference. Also, I like going against the metas while still being effective.

[@komrei7015]

The voice over of serious FatMagic is uncanny. But, still. It's a nice video.

[@EHSoup]

I reall enjoyed this type of video,I've been here for a while and i liked this just as much as your other videos if not more! You should definately keep this going as a series and maybe go on to talk about secondary and melee weapons for sniper and (maybe) some other classes in the near future.Good job Fatmagic !

[@Stanfordscienceman]

I think my favorite moment as huntsman sniper back when I could play was when I pinned a medic’s body to the wall and watched as their 20 health heavy desperately called medic at the corpse before dying

[@LunaTycho]

I like it when they explode, so I got a Hale's Own Classic

[@Tivallia9010]

I still so love the Sydney Sleeper. I love the faster charge rate and marking heavies, soldiers, and demos so my team can deal with them. Also full charged body shot on a medic is funny

[@jetexlocalbroadcasting5564]

This is pretty well edited. Wouldn't mind seeing more vids like this in the future.

[@PROrangeV2]

Soldier did a backflip after dying to the AWP and I am DYING from laughter. I did 𝙉𝙊𝙏 expect that. Awesome rundown of the primaries of our beloved main, dude.

[@blessthismessss]

Hidden pro of the Classic: it shares the sick hl1 sniper rifle sound

[@peterkershaw11]

Anyone: *plays sniper* The rest of the server: EMOTIONAL DAMAGE

[@orimoreau3138]

2:54 - This is why I love tf2 Firefight is going on with rockets and bullets flying everywhere, a black scottish demolition expert decides it's time to man(n) up and charges the point with a sword and a mighty scream Good shit

[@themonkeyman2910]

Honestly, I used the Heater, but not Focus while I was learning. Intentionally handicapping my ability to bodyshot really helped me get better at Sniper, since it kinda forced me to headshot. Once I started using the Bargain and Stock, I was hitting headshot after headshot.

[@Megajaybreaker4]

I really don’t get the B rank as when you’re performing just as good as fat magic, the downside isn’t really a problem. The tracer rounds are slightly understandable, but I think an A rank would make more sense.

[@spino650]

AWP part: being a Sniper main that brings pain wherever you go Me: I'm a trash Sniper that just likes to hear the sound when I practice

[@isingra]

Good tierlist, I especially appreciate you talking about the Sleeper + SMG combo because it's actually really good across many situations and does tons of psychological damage because the enemy team becomes horrified that they just got charged down by a SMG using maniac who just took a long range piss on them. Also the rage the body shots causes makes the enemy gamers 'bad because mad'.

[@nightly2005]

I got flamed quite a good amount because of bodyshot machina kills or 173 damages

[@kanga-ross]

7:51 LMAO that backflip ragdoll ! Did someone noticed ?

[@afsilver07]

Can't believe nobody is talking about it lol

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

Hitman heat maker has hidden tech. The fact that scoping and shooting are separate in focus mode.

[@agrimmon]

It’s no coincidence that many times when asking someone with tons of time on a class, Stock ranks near or at top for most weapons. Sometimes the consistency is more valuable than any gimmick

[@mitemaximus831]

The quiet doom music over the AWP is the icing on this delicious headshot cake

[@theGreatKingofSpiders]

I like the psychological horror of the Sidney sleeper Whit jarate and bushwaka CALL ME THE PISS MANN

[@FernandoJCruz-kt1zo]

duck mode is the cutest way to represent standing around and doing nothing

[@theone614777]

7:25 POV: mom didn’t buy you smuckers uncrustables, and you are *Anger*

[@prismaticpaul]

Ah yes, the Sydney Sleeper SMG Sniper strat. It actually works rather well, I use this a lot even though it is far from the best that one can do with sniper, because it's fun and I'm not playing sniper often. Your charge rate is like a bazaar bargain with 3 heads, so that bodyshot-esque playstyle you mentioned you switch to when at 4+ heads can be applied here as well. It does have some sort of headshot mechanic technically, but it was actually more powerful back when on headshot, rather than minitcrits, it would just coat an entire area in jarate. It was banned in competitive for this reason.

[@Fatmagic]

I remember that. Used to be insane

[@inktime4916]

Finally someone defend bodyshooting snipers like me

[@menyatarigeny6833]

if you wanna be sneaky, use stock. if you want to dominate the choke, use the Machina. if you want to dominate the whole server, use the Bazar Bargain.

[@nitothefunkybunch6938]

6:20, a rare moment of a sniper player becoming self aware

[@braxtontaylor5161]

These are a fun variety on your usual content

[@bigbear1045]

I love the DOOM music addition. I think it really fits that moment. Also, i dont think its normal that it took me less than 2 seconds to recognize it and have title and the rest of the whole soundtrack in my head.

[@otaco9489]

Hey brother! All of your points were actually very simple and easy to digest. I'd like to point out that informative videos, created the way you designed this video. Are extremely helpful and effective

[@dwaynemontgomery1851]

being referred to as "those three snipers" is even better then being called a hacker

[@Spicebush2]

A little trick with the heatmaker You can instantly unscope when you use the focus but you have to press mouse 2 manually to do it Very useful if you are fighting multiple sniper since most of them wait for you to be a sitting duck after firing Also if I'm not mistaken it also removes your flinching when taking damage in focus mode But overall i only use it because it's supressed and it separate people head like the eyelander

[@ozzkur]

loved watching this, looking forward to more videos like this. keep it up dude

[@darkranger116]

As a person who put 1200+ hours into Sniper over ten years and more than half of that was only using the huntsman, I can say your Tier List is on point, with one biased exception. No one would put huntsman in S tier because nothing can truly "replace" a headshot hit-scan weapon. But to me, huntsman is S tier at minimum A tier. The amount of times I was able to shut down an entire server based off of my map knowledge and the triangulation of my release time at the right corners, the arrow speed and how it matches with the spawn timing and movement speed of the enemy classes on the other team. That kind of 6-dimensional chess was something few shooters have been able to give me, aside from Tribes i guess.. (rest in peace). Which instantly puts it in S tier in context of TF2's old weapon design philosophy of weapons giving players new ways to play the class. It succeeded in that regard. Its a shame its right-hand-man the Darwin shield got nerfed into an oblivious anti-pyro item.

[@EmbeJuicemazzopazzo]

really good video, what I usually miss from infographic tf2 videos is a bit of spicy gameplay

[@adrianabullard7104]

7:29 His kill sound to get more dopamine with the doom music.

[@tra1lz149]

7:51 Soldier is doing leap of faith LOL

[@dapeep6704]

love love love this new video format man keep shaking things up like this!! 👍👍

[@senpaiduck7177]

The bazaar bargain is a weird weapon, from my experience using it, i feel like the more heads you get, the easier it is to headshot people

[@wolowolowolowolowolowolowo2417]

probably because your performance anxiety drops when you know you can just gain a full charge in like 1 second, so there's not as much risk to missing a shot as say with only 1 or no heads

[@Brown95P]

I really want to use the Sydney Sleeper more often; it can still "headshot"-kill a soldier at full charge, and dousing teammates just by shooting at them is strangely satisfying... ...I just wished it could still quickscope "headshot"-kill snipers like the other rifles.

[@marthedge]

It's 100% worth the salt you get from killing people with it. I got hale's own sydney sleeper and have no regrets.

[@spicymonkey6810]

Hey I loved this video! Great pacing, loved the humor, and the change on pace. As long as it’s fatmagic, I know I’m in for a good time. Keep up the great work

[@MuzluPattes16]

I have heard Fatmagic sort of be serious when making a video, what a weird day.

[@adan7949]

Sound is very important to boost the morale of your team and to scare the enemy, Fatmagic understands psychological warfare

[@MrLubieMarmolade]

What an amazing video, I really hope there will be more videos like this in the future! :D

[@pixelated_knight]

For me, the bazaar bargain will always be my go-to. It was my first sniper primary unlock, and I think I just got attached to it and the snowballing game-play.

[@metalac7722]

op class + bazaar bargain = Pain

[@DeLexified]

Holy shit a tier list video that isn't long and is actually fair unlike others

[@Whurlpuul]

This video is what happens when someone goes to fat magics house and steals all his caffeine and sugar

[@Fezezen]

It's funny how the Huntsman is just like intentionally broken. If you get an arrow anywhere within a player's world collision hull (which is like a big box around their character), the arrow will warp to the closest body part.

[@Lucky_RFMDA]

The classic is my go to weapon to counter any explosive jump class (and jetpack pyros). I can detect them easily. A hit mid air or as the land follow by the SMG is enought to kill them. Although I always land on hightower or harvest, so maybe I just run into so many troldiers so I see that use a lot.

[@impulseelectrobrine1259]

My entire experience as a sniper main would be “how tf did I hit that, how tf did I miss that, I was aiming for the other guy but I’ll take it”

[@hardlyanydiggity3953]

I've found the Sydney Sleeper works well with the jarate and bushwacka for a hyper-agressive sniper playstyle if you dislike the huntsman.

[@epicguy228]

"When they are in pain, you control the tide of battle"

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

FatMagic: "What is the BEST Sniper Primary in TF2?" Also FatMagic: "Yes"

[@link2008link]

Great Vid @FatMagic! Love the normal content, love this too

[@PluggedHades62]

I get why fighting a sniper can be infuriating but at the same time I don’t mind it cause of its principle. It’s a fucking sniper rifle, it’s supposed to be deadly lol. And the person wielding it’s job is to assist by taking enemies out from a far, that’s why sniper is support

[@Myahster]

The faint Athletic Theme from Super Mario used as the outro's bgm made me think my phone was ringing.

[@Theodore_noisey]

Why the classic is the best:you can finally roam around the map while having full charge and not scoped in

[@Favos42]

Wow this is a lot different to what i use to watch on the Fatmagic channel....my thoughts? It's awesome. Love it! I would say keep making these types of videos (only if you enjoy making these of course). I will always watch your videos Fatmagic!

[@OneEdgyAngerSniper]

It pleases me you recognize the raw power of the AWPer Hand.

[@yatora826]

Thank you for making me not regret doing so many things just to get the AWP

[@TG-ue2vu]

I hope you do more videos like this in the future, your commentary felt unique, just like when you play certain games.

[@aa69420]

I've been watching so much Fatmagic that I hit headshots back to back!

[@LinteirSomeZebra]

The only thing they fear is *Obese Magician* I think we would like to see full length montage, maybe even with elements of Gun Sync. Like Oyff's one with Doom Eternal.

[@cyber4191]

I feel like you glanced past sniper duck too fast lmao. Comedy gold

[@Minstrel2009]

Lets be honest, we all waited for this since he announced it

[@RandomPerson-ui3xv]

I like how the longer the video the more fatmagic the video is becoming

[@screamza]

Most organized FatMagic will ever be. He's gonna go back to taking performance enhancing narcotics and eating drywall. Lets all take a moment to enjoy this video featuring OrganizedMagic.

[@bsheepdestroyermakesstuff7222]

some ideas for reworks (not saying i think these should be implemented, just throwing out ideas here) heatmaker: during focus, headshots deal mini crits instead of crits. during focus, if you miss a shot, it will automatically headshot the nearest enemy head to the crosshair. keeps other existing stats machina: instead of its existing damage boost, shots crit and deal 33% more damage when hitting multiple targets, but you still cant noscope, and still fires tracers. this still makes you more vulnerable, but allows you to deal insane damage with good positioning and aim. 33% specifically because a instant shot is 50 damage, 150 with a crit. 150+30% is 199.5, which rounds up to exactly 200 damage (if damage rounds down by default, which i doubt, it would be 34% damage boost) classic: max charge is halved, so instead of 450 max headshot damage, 300 damage but takes less total time to charge up bazaar bargain: no noscopes, i think it would fit perfectly into this weapons stats sydney sleeper: should have a jarate splash effect whether it hits a player or the map, this would make the jarate on it actually useful instead of the main upside being the faster charge. some people might think this would make the weapon overpowered, but really it would need this to compete with 150 instant damage headshots huntsman: headshots deal mini crit damage, +25 hp on wearer (this would definately upset huntsman enthusiasts, but it would still be simple but a good design)

[@KiegKillsReality]

Yo I could totally watch more of these