TF2 VS TFC: The Evolution of the Heavy Weapons Guy

[@SquimJim]

Yes...I know this happens in the comics. It is literally one of the first things I talk about in this video. Right afterwards I say this video 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴𝘯'𝘵 have anything to do with the comics. I have gotten way too many comments about this that I sadly need to point this out.

[@thewindwakinghero7423]

this happened in the comics

[@HeadPats7443]

this happened in the comics

[@LobovDaGOAT]

this happened in the comics

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

The video is actually lore accurate considering heavy would have lost if Classic heavy didn't go into labor. What the hell did I just type.

[@LobovDaGOAT]

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion wtf lol

[@SpireGuy]

"Heavy only has 3 weapons" His other fist: Sad day for me

[@msi_i_chad3061]

I mean its technically not like a knife or a gun lol

[@sardinebloxgx7363]

i made heavys sandvich in real life and ate i- *minigun sounds*

[@enternamehere]

Ok good one

[@yapflipthegrunt4687]

@Stupidventurers apparently bruh means god

[@elenoajacob4367]

The fists having a coffee break: when will my break ends

[@Stalker-ph2ul]

I feel like in the lore, the TF2 heavy wins, because he's quite the badass. And even quite sneaky, as well as very smart. The TFC heavy just seemed kinda impatient and impulsive in comparison, still smart, just not patient.

[@toastNeko]

Yeah id agree

[@tragedyplustime8271]

I understand in an in-game 1v1 TFC Heavy would "win" (Technically not since Heavy has no soul, so he can't die), but Heavy normally would kick his ass. TFC Heavy is so full of himself that any mere distraction will work, and Heavy just needs to get up close to beat him to a pulp.

[@themastergluesniffer]

I mean he did beat tfc heavy in the comics after he shot me

[@theadeptuscustodes]

TF2 heavy also killed a mother bear with his bare hands

[@maddogfromcyberspace2994]

You have to be patient to have a PhD in Russian Literature.

[@sugaryhull9688]

For the TFC sniper, you should mention how his bullet ammo pool was shared and how he could cripple players with leg shots. And for the TFC medic, you should mention the poison/disease mechanic

[@jumpinghunter9152]

You know, it's more like TFC medic most comparable with TF2 scout, because TF2 medic is SO different that it actually 2 different classes. Basically TFC medic is what would happen if you take a battle medic and give him speed of scout and a scattergun. And a boston basher with bleeding that can not be deleted or cured in any way except touching resupply. In TF2 every class from TFC would be... Well, not great but ok, except medic, because he would be frickin overpowered, even without grenades, due to how much he would be faster than entire rest of the game.

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

@@jumpinghunter9152 TFC scout is actually still much faster than TFC medic (I mean that's kind of the point) due to both having conc grenades and TFC scout generally having much faster movement speed. But yeah, TFC medic is still overpowered that it even makes TFC scout redundant.

[@szelski.]

@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 scout have spike grenades so it basically can close some bridges and make people go slower But still tfc scout is not good he lacks of double jump and a good damage he is only good to stealin the flag and givin info

[@ben8791]

@@szelski. Agreed classic Scout takes skill to play it. But atleast TFC Scout is not a scunt

[@szelski.]

@@ben8791 nah he is not a scunt he is just a cp enjoyer

[@blurmarsh2265]

Just as I think there's no possible topics lefts for TF2 youtubers to cover you come up with this! Very good video, I'm super looking forward to how this series goes

[@milesbrewis2375]

I think it's going to devolve into a competition of damage falloff vs higher base damage

[@Hamantha]

Comics kind of covered it

[@themastergluesniffer]

@@Hamantha yea

[@goldencheeze]

My thoughts exactly, SquimJim getting creative

[@randomness5513]

Uh- the lore already had tf2 heavy kill tfc heavy

[@bobbyferg9173]

Seeing the TFC Heavy and TF2 Heavy compared here shows how much of a different philosophy the TF team had when designing these games. Many TF2 players know that grenades where cut from TF2 due to how they were spammed, but I wasn’t aware of TFC’s armor system until now. It was probably another system that was cut so that the game plays better since it is a more complex system than a plain health pool. Just goes to show how different of games TFC and TF2 are

[@The_Troid]

Well actually there is a mod call pre fortress which grabs a lot of the cut content and adds it to the game and yeah grenades are broken but not by much thanks to the armor system

[@doommaker4000]

This is a relic of id software FPSs. Both Doom and Quake have percentage armour

[@HOTD108_]

@@The_Troid Exactly, a mod. Nothing official.

[@The_Troid]

@@HOTD108_ i never said that is official and sorry mis understud what i said since I'm still learning english

[@tragedyplustime8271]

I wouldn't say different, just better. TFC is busted. Grenades are unfair, the movement is completely broken via bhops, each class is just too powerful, etc. When a multiplayer FPS reaches a point where you need to become an expert in movement glitches to even stand a chance, I'm sorry, but it isn't well designed. Bhops should only exist in singleplayer FPS as speedrunning tricks. Half Life Deathmatch has this problem too, and that's the reason both games are practically dead while TF2 has survived for so long. Balancing the game towards fair fights goes a long way.

[@HOTD108_]

From an in-universe perspective, the TF2 Heavy's victory in the comics can be attributed to TFC Heavy being quite physically old by that point.

[@roderick04]

Plus an enraged TF2 heavy made it worse for the classic.

[@jh047o]

Heavy is 57 years old, so it is a fair fight

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

@@jh047o And TFC heavy is like more than that since TFC is at 1930 while the timeline where both meet is at 1970, now combine that to TFC Heavy's age at 1930 which definitely not less than 30. We can even see how he looks when TFC heavy is defeated.

[@jh047o]

@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 that means he is either 70, (if we consider he was 20 at the time of tfc) it is not much of unfair fight

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

@@jh047o Him being 30 at 1930 is like the bare minimum, his artwork in the catch-up comic; he doesn't even look like he's at his 30s-- let alone 20s lol.

[@AeroDragon2]

Let's see a firefight, put the pyros head to head. Also, love that you can consistently come up with new ideas for series

[@Duothimir]

TF2 Pyro wins easily. TFC Pyro is just plain bad, and the only decent options she has are weapons that rely on afterburn... which TF2 Pyro is immune to.

[@108___]

@@Duothimir Afterburn stacking via Cannon + Flamethrower and Napalm combo was literally what made Pyro decent in TF. The removal of grenades affected Pyro the most. He is also less stockier than Demoman in TF2 for some reason. Do you even play TF? Edit: Nevermind, it was supposed to be a 1v1, I'm stupid.

[@Duothimir]

@@108___ lmao

[@modifiedapple5522]

@flint2.0 Why wouldn't they change teams? Only reason stickies don't is because of how they need to be manually detonated

[@trevorsizzle3705]

First She then he and last person said they for pyro. We are getting all the classifications up in here I'm gonna go with classifying pyro as Fire.

[@BeesechurgerProductions]

Really eager to see where this series goes! I'd love to see the next video be one of the more radically different classes like Medic or Demoman, but pretty much every matchup is going to have some interesting points to bring up. Overall, a good solid video, and its nice to have some new TFC rep on youtube!

[@SquimJim]

I think the Medics might be the trickiest to compare overall. They're so different from each other!

[@HOTD108_]

@@SquimJim I bet the TFC Medic would win, if it's a 1v1 fight, because TF2 Medic isn't that dangerous without a team whereas the original counterpart is surprisingly deadly even on their own.

[@sugaryhull9688]

@@HOTD108_ Agreed. Conc jumping also helps the TFC med a lot

[@jackryderproductions1030]

@@sugaryhull9688 UBERSAW RANDOM CRIT

[@sugaryhull9688]

@@jackryderproductions1030 I'm pretty sure TFC med would barely survive it because of his medium armour (he would have ~5 HP and no armour by my calculations)

[@kelsothesarcasmpirate]

But did we consider that Heavy knows how to use magic.

[@acrux1918]

*"KAPOOTIS CRAPPITUS"*

[@Kutoi-The-Wine-Lover]

@@acrux1918 pootis bird is showing a agressive behavor

[@foldabotZ]

*"PUCKTOOM-SHEETUS!"*

[@andrewstovall2853]

He didn't consider the sanvich either.

[@airnomad2650]

🅿️ O O T I S

[@lucamaronese3812]

I honestly think that TFC and TF2 are so different that it would be incredibly difficult or even impossible to compare the 2, but you managed to pull it off so great work!

[@cburger4life144]

I know this is old but I’m curious why you say this? Considering the complete lack of TFC content out there I’d say it’s a pretty popular opinion but I don’t get it. TF2 has always seemed like they just took TFC, gave it tons of polish, a new art style and way more personality. It’s certainly an upgrade in pretty much every way but they don’t seem very structurally different.

[@latortugacocainomana5533]

​@@cburger4life144grenades, fighting not so realistic at the time, you can always be fairly fighting if not unfairly powerfull with every class, a medic with a shootgun, a heavy with 2 shootguns, like is literally so not similar at all that many original player literally dont want to play the game because "is to idiotic and childish" when it got announce in 2006.

[@crawlinggoose]

@@cburger4life144 TFC is a completely different game. TF2 leans into the more goofy physics side of things and is less competitive and team focused. Most classes are simple to play and easy to pick up. TFC has a lot more mechanics and features with more complex gameplay. If you ever want to play TFC, it's recommended to play TF2 first, but to not assume that they function the same. Most of the classes are similar in concept but have major differences.

[@cburger4life144]

@@crawlinggoose I actually played a TON of TFC back in the day. I sucked, but I loved it. TF2’s art styles never really worked for me. I grew up in the ‘edgy’ 90s and early 2000s so this seemed too childish to me at the time and I never really got past it. It looks nice, and I’m definitely not trying to say it truly is FOR children but it’s not for me either. I have played it though, and despite there being obvious differences between two, I still feel like they’re much more similar than they are different.

[@crawlinggoose]

@@cburger4life144 I like TFC a lot, but I started out with TF2, so some bias is present. But in concept, yes many of the things between the games are similar.

[@unluckycatfish6866]

I love how they looked at a spaz and went "Yup thats double barreld"

[@ratinc.t3748]

SKARBRAND HATES MISINTERPRETED GUNS >:[

[@drivanradosivic1357]

I think the Valve SPAS 12 is some sort of a Kriss Vector like deal with a two shot burst fire mode. Hell, the TF2 1967 Scout Scattergun was supposed to have a two shot mode.

[@logemcdoge4620]

Its because the original quake shotgun was double barreled, and they just never changed the name.

[@notealist]

Virgin TFC heavy: - Needs a crowbar for melee - Doesn't even do good with it Chad TF2 heavy: - Uses his fists - Demolishes people

[@matheusrios4223]

and pow! taunt kill

[@notealist]

good point

[@Killerbee4712]

Finger gun deletes enemy

[@RealSwissShady]

@@Killerbee4712 people who have ragdolls off

[@sandvichofthesea4910]

"My fists, they are made of steel!" -Heavy TF2

[@Blucario90]

yeah TFC can throw grenades while firing minigun, which forces TF2 heavy to either spin-down to dodge the blast or just take the extra damage, the grenades really do it for TFC

[@nucleus691]

He can throw em WHILE FIRING? Even if he couldnt, I made a comment saying how Misha would lose in most cases. But having 2 sources of damage like that and forcing the TF2 heavy to dodge as well is gonna make it so damn easy for the TFc heavy.

[@pingodegonha]

So TFC Heavy can basically hold the Assault Cannon with one hand? ok

[@y100900185]

Yeah but TFC heavy wouldn’t have the time to throw the grenades because TF2 Heavy can kill him in 0.8 seconds

[@Funkin_Disher]

@@nucleus691 yep and grenades can be cooked before throwing too so it would be like hitting TF2 heavy with a loose cannon as well as the assault cannon, not to mention corner spam to make up for lack of pre revving (which is still very fast anyways)

[@Funkin_Disher]

@@y100900185 TFC players often had a script to automatically drop a grenade on death, so TF2 heavy probably wont walk out alive even if he gets the drop on TFC heavy around a corner or something

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

Man, I didn't know how much I wanted this series. I especially love the art, the fair & balanced discussion, and the pretend TF2 stats for the TFC weapons. Keep it up!

[@MercySewerPyro]

It's interesting how much the unlocks make a TF2 Heavy more powerful, and I can see why they were left out; when your opponent can run away and eat his sandwich, TFC would have a much harder time.

[@matthewgagnon9426]

TF2 Heavy could *try* to run away from TFC Heavy, but TFC Heavy is *fast as fuck* if you allow b-hopping and grenade jumping.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

The second banana is a lot better here

[@atlasguytinyproductions55]

TFC team in the TF2 universe is an underrated antagonist. More of this please, it’s amazing!

[@karlbischof2807]

The no dmg fall off on the tfc heavy seels the deal, cuz he can just fight tf2 heavy out of his effective range

[@temkin9298]

Well as long as there is cover tf2 heavy gets better. Tfc still has to connect shots to kill you know

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

It basically depends on the scenario, both can win in different circumstances on 1v1.

[@honorguard7616]

@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 Keep in mind tfc heavy is smaller hitbox wise

[@aprettysimplebeing1828]

Dont worry, the new heavy will figure out on how to snipe him with the minigun

[@anafu-sankanashi8933]

tomislav moment

[@SquimJim]

The first 1,000 people to use this link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/afterbreakfastwithsquimjim08211

[@sparrow5168]

Sir. what's skillshare 🤔?

[@badegrim7267]

Just a small thing about before about out a winner play fair if there is no armour then use mod for. 300hp insted that about the Grenades same if the new dont have dont make a compare or whit Thank same force why dont look for the other weapons for Heavy the tfc Heavy dont have SELF heal -1 point if you try to make a video like this stick for a rule insted make up new rules

[@sparrow5168]

o... Kay 🤨

[@Scout_from_deep_rock_galactic]

NOW HOLD ON A MINUTE! YOU FORGOT RANDOM CRITS! I DONT REMEMBER TFC HAVING RANDOM CRITS! IN THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO TF2 heavy WOULD WIN!

[@Scout_from_deep_rock_galactic]

I want to see scout next tho.

[@k9strike931]

For movement, you should've taken into account that heavy along with other classes had grenades. This allows heavy to grenade jump.

[@babaskarma1981]

at this point add bhopping too and you just do the entire map 23 times in 4 seconds, this is just how they walk normally, of course if you use these things so you can go at the speed of light in seconds but that was not the point

[@tragedyplustime8271]

@@babaskarma1981 Glitches don't count, otherwise de might as well take Heavy's infinite health glitch from Jungle Inferno

[@honorguard7616]

@@tragedyplustime8271 Soldier loses rocket jumping,engie sentry and demo sticky,as well as medic The grenades jumps are like those

[@tragedyplustime8271]

@@honorguard7616 Nope. Grenade Jumping works for ALL classes, including classes that really shouldn't have it like Heavy or Medic. Rocket Jumping and Sticky Jumping only apply to Demo & Soldier (And Sticky Jumping is practically useless unless you have the Sticky Jumper). Also, I was talking about the bhop as a glitch, it isn't an intended feature

[@honorguard7616]

@@tragedyplustime8271 in TF2 pyro can rocket jump ,similar for medic (be it in two different ways)

[@inkayy79]

I would so love to see the next episode on the 2 scouts since they both play completely different roles, and im really happy to see more tfc tf2 comparison videos

[@babaskarma1981]

the tf2 scout is more deathmatchy style gameplay, the TFC one instead, since for the lack of health, is literally "run and capture the point", even the description says that its better to avoid people and go for a control point or a flag, wich btw they are actual flags in TFC

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

tfc scout just seems like a horrible concept. a weak class that only caps

[@potatoweaver4116]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 TFC Scout is horrible. Like I get the idea behind the concept, but in practice it just doesn't work.

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

@@potatoweaver4116 Well, in practice; the concept works, he does what he's supposed to do but his capabilities are intentionally narrowed down that his capabilities are limited to what he's supposed to do and can't do anything else.

[@potatoweaver4116]

@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 in practice it doesn't work because it's boring for the player and other classes like Soldier end up being able to capture the flag better because they can defend themselves. Scout in TFC is useless because he's totally outclassed by Soldier. Scout in TF2 isn't even good at the one thing he's designed for. The idea of a class that basically can't fight back at all isn't a good idea. In TF2 even weaker 1v1 classes like Medic and Spy are very much capable of doing damage and fighting back.

[@LordRemiem]

Just look at TFC, look at how much it yells "HALF LIFE" in every aspect 😂

[@Fatih_M177]

Same could be said for the original Team Fortress which screams Quake! TF2 also to some extent screams half life 2 (Or maybe that's just me, it has a similar vibe so maybe that's why despite having such a different art style)

[@purplehaze2358]

As far as I'm concerned, "Ol' assaulty" is the canon name of the assault cannon.

[@bernardo-x5n]

2:37 I know why it looks exactly like the Half-Life health count, but my headcannon is that Black Mesa loaned some H.E.V. suits to TF Industries. Also, I would give TFC's heavy the win for shotgun.

[@justaserbiandoomer497]

"Heavy is the most iconic class in the game" Wrong. They all are

[@storytimewithkitty5303]

I just realized the Family Business is the single barrel shotgun

[@nopebro2471]

the difference is that family business is actually useable

[@theunkillablecat8458]

Did you know The Team fortress 1 Engineer is the Father of the Team Fortress 2 Engineer

[@Docteur_Hex]

It's not really comfirmed, we only saw a picture of Jeff giving goggles to a young Dale, maybe he's just his uncle or something

[@gamingmoth4542]

So the only reason why the TF2 Heavy beat the TFC Heavy in the comics is because the TFC Heavy got cocky and decided to do a melee only fight (and TFC’s melee sucks).

[@Docteur_Hex]

He also was in his late 80's and bleeding That was really stupid of him

[@Eer4000]

This is an incredibly creative video idea! I would love to see someone turn this into a mod so we could actually see a 1v1 between the TF1 heavy and the TF2 heavy.

[@franagustin3094]

Heavy from MTF was the goat cause he was an offensive class

[@LukaZibar]

@@franagustin3094what’s MTF?

[@franagustin3094]

@@LukaZibar mega team fortress. It was a mod of qwtf

[@MariuigiKhed]

14:55 It does make sense. Even though we don't see Boss (aka TFC Heavy in the comics) fight Misha with his own forces, I think he would give him a run for his life, even if without the australium. Remember, Misha had the upperhand via the rage of Ludwig's death, and Boss was heavily injured by him, HE WAS STABBED IN THE GUT WITH A BONE SAW, and still he moves like it's nothing. Misha beated him with rage and with Ludwig's distraction. He would have been Dead Meat if Ludwig wasn't there.

[@thomashaeyen6942]

That makes me question why you can't use australium in any of the tf games. Seriously, there should be a life extender machine as a cosmetic or weapon. The only thing we have right now is a 3d model of redmond's life extender, which is an easter egg in mann manor.

[@courier712]

Dude, just call them Heavy and Medic. It's easier for those who don't know their actual names.

[@MariuigiKhed]

@@courier712 ok, "Heavy would beat Heavy since Heavy showed that he has much more experience than Heavy..." nothing that a Google check couldn't fix.

[@ps-frag]

Necropost, but anyway, Tf2 heavi killed a mother bear with bare hands so he's incredibly powerful

[@MariuigiKhed]

@@ps-frag On that case, you have human versus animal, not only that, but a human that knows how to deal with his local wildlife. Impressive yes, but also reasonable for him

[@mehsayori]

Please make more of these! I'm lacking TFC knowledge, and this is really helping me

[@3.2187_Kilometres]

Very informative and well-made video. It also provides a unique look into the different designing philosophys of TFC and TF2. Overall a great idea and fantastic execution. However I don't personally like how you limited the TF2 characters to only stock but I can see why you did so considering how many variables that would bring, if possible maybe you could have a little section after declaring the winner of the "fair fight" talking about how allowing different weapons for the TF2 character would/could effect the fight but that might be a bit much so if I wouldn't complain if you didn't. After all this is still a fuckin great vid and concept so I hope you continue to make them. For the next matchup, I would like to see my main Scout being compared to his TFC counterpart.

[@sugaryhull9688]

I can already tell you that TF2 scout would win because the only weapons TFC scout has are the single-barrel shotgun, a nailgun, and caltrops. He really was designed as a scout and only a scout

[@ShikiKiryu]

Love if you covered TFC more, its underrated. Also would love to see the other Classic Mercs in your drawin style, it suits em.

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

id say it looks unpolished when compared to cs and half life

[@thechickenlord9825]

Very underrated, but most games with such a chunkiness are going to be appreciated by a niche group as apposed to mostly everyone because the people that stuck around with it have a much harder time thinking back to the difficulty they had with it in the beginning. This very thing happens to other games, the Sonic franchise being a large contender.

[@boogaloobender3462]

You will never be a real woman

[@lsdcyclops7316]

The TF2 Sniper would absolutely murder the TFC Sniper. Just like in the comics.

[@sugaryhull9688]

I dunno. I'm pretty sure the TFC rifle does a lot more damage than the TF2 rifle

[@semihozturk8387]

@@sugaryhull9688 huntsman: *Are you sure about that?*

[@ben8791]

@@semihozturk8387 nah im pretty sure that the classic sniper can kill a huntsman sniper with 1 Headshot since you could headshot without scooping and it will also knock back TF2 sniper and he can finish him with automatic rifle

[@semihozturk8387]

@@ben8791 but huntsman has GIANT HITBOX

[@ben8791]

@@semihozturk8387 i know but still TFC sniper is really anoyying at close or long range oh yeah if the victim get shot in the feet it would slow him down . Im not saying that the Huntsman sucks but the classic sniper deal more damage.

[@KittStargazer]

TF2 heavy wins in speed till the TFC Heavy learns how too and starts bunny hopping around lol.

[@Richard-iv3ii]

Alternative video name: the red terminator Chad vs. Blue virgene who thinks putting rip off gold in his blood will make him live forever.

[@Xx_Tuberculosis_xX]

We live in a society where fists do more damage than a crowbar

[@thehiddencryptid]

i like how the tf2 heavy's cosmetics are a mimic of tfc heavy's outfit

[@rokotigersgamingclaws9554]

TFC Engineer v/s TF2 Engineer would be interesting!

[@poppy3660]

I’d love more of this, I’ve been wanting a heavy numbers video comparing completely separate games for a while. Would love more!

[@SquibGourmand]

I AM IN NEED OF MEDICAL ATTENTION.

[@SquimJim]

EXCUSE ME

[@probablyvinegar]

say please

[@spongemane9284]

Nah

[@thosdid4855]

In the 1v1: TFC Heavy: is winning TF2 Heavy: oh nooo... TF2 Heavy: I have an idea! *summons random critz*

[@MrMan-lg6bh]

Well, I think we can all agree on the fact tf2 heavy would win against tfc in a melee fight.

[@itexplodes3824]

He did

[@MrMan-lg6bh]

@@itexplodes3824 Indeed. Although it wasn’t much of a fight…

[@itexplodes3824]

@@MrMan-lg6bh because someone was definitively winning the whole way through?

[@MadJack1]

Sad, that even with a crowbar, tf2 heavy wins against tfc heavy

[@Ben_c-j4u]

Even if tfc heavy has a better melee weapon he would fail to defend against the heavy stock fist taunt kill

[@elecstorm3701]

...yanno what? Someone should make a game thingy where you can pick all 19 Team Fortress classes so we can test it out ourselves.

[@Docteur_Hex]

W for saying 19

[@Buurazu]

This was great, I especially loved taking the TFC weapons' stats and converting them into TF2 item attributes

[@demi-femme4821]

Well, TF2 Heavy vs. TFC Heavy was a fistfight, and we know that in Medieval Mode, TFC Heavy wouldn't stand a chance.

[@Docteur_Hex]

He was bleeding and in his late 80's + fighting a mad af Mikhail so that wasn't all that fair of a fight

[@boogaloobender3462]

You will never be a real woman

[@thecamper127]

In the next video in this series, i would love to see how the scouts differ from each other

[@flomp8561]

Same

[@unwithering5313]

Will TFC Scout get carried by his grenades or will TF2 Scout's double jump and quick shotgun damage be too much for the enemy to handle?

[@davidlest1793]

I thought this was a really fun and interesting video! And I think regardless of which class is chosen next, it will be just as interesting as this due to the vast changes of everything between the two games. I also think it would be cool see at the end of the series comparing each team's collective synergies against one another; it is a team game after all! Regardless, excellent video! :)

[@ryguy9876]

What I got from this is that the TFC heavy wins because his load-out, while technically weaker, is far more versatile.

[@unwithering5313]

Mainly grenades from what I recall

[@Ralfosaurus]

SJ: "[Revving] slows the classic heavy down more than the minigun does." BHopping: Am I a joke to you?

[@NotKenBlock94]

"Babe, wake up. New SquimJim lore just dropped"

[@_kishken_1595]

YES, IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR *YEARS* THANK YOU SO MUCH

[@newpersonaplayer9941]

I'd say do Demo vs,Demo cause both Classes have interesting weapons. That could factor in who wins

[@sirpikapika1129]

I’m interested to see where this series goes! From what little I know of TFC, many of the classes are radically different, so a straightforward 1v1 wouldn’t be an accurate comparison, and I’m interested to see how you work around this!

[@bouncydachon]

2:59 what if the TF2 mercs have a lighter stronger more reliable armor and random crits aren’t your weapon getting better but instead your enemies armor failing

[@fib900]

If he ever gets to classic Medic vs. modern Medic, Classic wins. Classic is terrifying with his neurotoxin.

[@kermitenthusiast485]

Ehhhh. Mechanically, agreed. In-universe, TF2 medic would probably have something of a fighting chance, due to also (maybe) having other poisons, such as those put in the syringe guns? Not really sure though

[@Neogears1312]

I’m really curious about how the spy will be handled. Theoretically both can always beat the other, as they aren’t 1v1 direct duelists so they’re optimal play style would make a direct comparison incredibly difficult I feel.

[@SnowyFoxlinn]

Honestly, I've heard Team Fortress 2 so much to the point to where "Team Fortress" just sounds completely wrong... You need the 2 at the end...

[@MadSwedishGamer]

I'd love to see this for Spy. I think that'd be very interesting.

[@babaskarma1981]

man i remember that TFC spy was pretty janky, so many menus and that weird dead ringer that wasent really a dead ringer aka cloack its just too much

[@sugaryhull9688]

I can see the Hallucination Grenade winning TFC spy a point or two

[@exiledhero3791]

Well, there’s also taunt kills, like heavy’s 500 HU finger gun.

[@dogemaster9676]

nice punch out music! one of my favorite games

[@MacAndSheeeeesh]

Firing shotgun shells out of a minigun is the most terrifying thing I think you can do with a gun

[@probablyvinegar]

the grenade round was unfair, where’s the cosmetic round? also what’s the wet streak for synonyms for my name at this point i lost track

[@SquimJim]

The Fashion Round? Good idea.

[@Pumpkinsmasherok]

@@SquimJimtfc spy would win against tf2 spy in that round no doubt

[@RandomJD]

I don't know why, but while listening to this I was thinking about the show "Deadliest Warrior" and I was expecting an SFM short with those 2 fighting in a tfc/tf2 map. Sounds cool at least. You did well Squim Jim. You raised questions, and that's the best you can do to a fandom.

[@lazarnephz4952]

I was hoping to here about one tfc's hardest to master mechanics in this video. Grenade jumping it really can turn the tide of battle especially with a low mobility class like heavy. It takes a lot of health but with skill you can go flying, something the tf2 heavy can only dream of.

[@topminator1667]

2 fort invasion ball things

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

@@topminator1667 also pumpkin bombs (bombkin?)

[@MLGProMaster-tu9tz]

Yoo, I'm not gonna lie, I would love to see you talk about more pokemon stuff. I loved your ice type video and can you talk about bug types next?

[@dr.kolorca]

I wonder how TFC Medic vs TF2 Medic will go 😈

[@DunCakes]

I doubt it would make a big difference but the TFC Assault canon clearly has a GIGANTIC spread which also limits its ranged capabilities

[@WooHooLadttv]

It's like two dads brawling it out over which superbowl wins or something idk I don't watch sports

[@Ro_Yoshi]

Lol first

[@WooHooLadttv]

@@Ro_Yoshi I piss

[@WooHooLadttv]

@@Ro_Yoshi I piss

[@officeridiot4806]

What the hell

[@Ro_Yoshi]

@@WooHooLadttv :( Sus

[@cyber4053]

It would be cool to see the assault cannon as a weapon in TF2, faster spin up but can’t be pre-spun would be really interesting.

[@TheKoriKasai]

Would love to see this for the spy as I'm interested in seeing how different he is in his original with how he is in the current. That or pyro as it was confirmed later in the tf2 comics the original pyro was a woman which doesn't change anything with this type of fight, or I guess any kind of fight, but is still enough reason to put pyro sooner. Ooh or engineer as I heard a theory that the tfc engie was the tf2s dad so, assuming that's the truth, it could make an Interesting experience

[@woobgamer5210]

i mean, im pretty sure TFC Engineer is 1. One of the few dead before the comics fight took place, 2. Either unrelated or Engineers grandfather, but not Radigan Conagher (Engis dad)

[@TheKoriKasai]

@@woobgamer5210 I know nothing on tfc engie, it's merely a rumor I've heard

[@beastwarsFTW]

Didn't Tf2 Heavy do his best Bane impression with Classic HWG's spine?

[@thesmashor4396]

Scout vs Scout sounds interesting. TFC Scout has caltrops to slow down current scout, but current scout has a Double Jump to let him soar above any traps. Grenades obviously aren't much use thanks to Scout's speed. While the Nail Gun gives Classic Scout a range advantage, the nails move so slow that Modern Scout could dodge them pretty much effortlessly. Single Barreled Shotgun also deals much less damage than the Scattergun. Hell, Classic Scout's damage is so low that the TF2 wiki outright says you shouldn't actually try to damage enemies with him and just try to run with the flag.

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

Overall; both classes are designed for completely different purpose so TF2 Scout wins due to TFC Scout not intended for direct combat at all.

[@SnackPatrol]

Why do TF2ubers always seem to assume their late-to-the-Team-Fortress-party, 20-something adult male experience of coming into the TF franchise with TF2, always around like 2011-16 for some reason, is that of a given person watching their video, or playing TF2? There are a lot of OGs out here who came from TFC (myself included, and even those who started with QTF) who are not vocal TF2 commentators/content creators, hilarious loud randos in in-game VC, or "players" in the TF2 scene, 99.9% of the time. They are literally the random dude you see doing well with the Original in a game, saying literally nothing in voice _or_ text chat, and then disappearing at the end of the match, to go put his kid to bed or something. Or watching a KZbin video without being up all in the comments. We will come out of the woodwork for stuff like this, though. At least you didn't embarrassingly play a round or 2 of 2fort, cry about not immediately understanding the nuances of the game, & judge the entire thing 20 years past its prime with bot servers on the most basic, non-custom stock map in existence. I like your content btw, I'm not hating, really. TF2ubers covering TFC have left a bad taste in my mouth since STAR, because there was a wealth of (like TF2) super fun custom maps & game modes- many of which did not make it to TF2- 4 team Murderball, VIP mode, minigolf2 where snipers shoot a friendly civilian into a hole across a minigolf course, co-op/escape maps. They usually have a habit of unintentionally crapping on the game in their entitled, whiny tone as they are very audibly baffled it is not the exact same game as TF2 and seems rather dated in comparison (gee I wonder why this 1999 multiplayer game with 1999 graphics running stock maps on dead bot servers with no real humans feels off in 2024). If you want to see what TFC was like in its heyday look up House of Terror Escape maps (TFC), Axl's TFC maps, and TFC Murderball-2000 map, on here, they will give you a pretty solid glimpse of what the game was like during its heyday.

[@Xanthopathy]

lol

[@FalkyRocket2222]

you forgot to say that the goldsource crowbar is EVEN FASTER if youre actually hitting something

[@FatheredPuma81]

Something interesting is that the Heavy's minigun used to only ramp up while firing... so imagine if this video was made back then.

[@AmaroqStarwind]

Imagine combining the TF2 classes with their TFC counterparts

[@4ndr00med4]

Team Fortress 1.75

[@IloveLowqualitylol]

Im GoNnA sTrAnGlE yOu WiTh Me BaRe HaNdS ~Demo

[@grapepublic6420]

"It actually came before team fortress 2" Wow now I know why there's a 2 next to the name

[@dracmeister]

As someone who's had the odd LAN Party or 2 with TFC, yeah TFC Heavy shuts can shut down chokes very fast and the fact that 32 damage doesn't drop off which means Light Classes like Scouts, Medics, Engineers and Spies cannot push into a choke without being turned into minced meat. Doesn't mean those classes don't have counter play, Engineers definitely can OHKO the heavy with a well-placed EMP grenade, Scouts can Concjump past the heavy, Spies can use their Hallucination grenades(though it'll probably not kill the Heavy), Medics have the hardest time pushing against them still though.

[@sugaryhull9688]

Those EMP grenades are bloody powerful. Most of my deaths as soldier, heavy, and demo have been to those damn things

[@DustD.Reaper]

Small idea to maybe even out the playing field, if TFC Heavy is allowed to use the grenades, TF2 Heavy should be allowed to have one Sandvich with him (yes I know it wouldnt be possible for him to carry both a shotgun and Sandvich in-game, but Im just making this point to even out the loadout so both of them have their melee, a primary weapon, a secondary weapon and a consumable. This could maybe then be used for the matchups of the other classes.)

[@honorguard7616]

Grenades would love that

[@8bitalien647]

One of the more unique tf2 videos I've seen very awesome can't wait to see future comparisons

[@fondiut5596]

"And in the red corner, with his minigun weighing in at 150 kilograms. He puts the heavy in heavy weapons. THE" (ad starts) google home.

[@JouvaMoufette]

To be fair, back in the days of TFC, players considered Heavy Weapons Guy to be the "noob class" in that it was easiest to kill anyone as HWG because he was OP. That has since shifted to the Pyro. TFC Pyro, however, is going to get absolutely SLAUGHTERED because it was a HORRIBLE class and nobody played it.

[@nicholastemplet1616]

7:56 looks like a weapon card from borderlands

[@nikoliaskos2596]

Sneaking in a Punch Out theme in the background A man of culture I see

[@hoogachakahoogahooga]

Love the Punch-Out music in this video, man! It’s one of my favorite franchises (which I pray comes back) and the Wii version’s soundtrack slaps, so hearing it was a welcome surprise! Great video as well!

[@kiloklavdi1185]

I love how you used Sandman's theme to compare 2 huge guys

[@Prisoner]

It took me a long time to wonder if there was a TF1, I never thought about TF2 being a sequel to anything. Just like New York never made me wonder if there was an Old York

[@Xhepyxopila]

Same

[@yodanlikeshills3600]

strange to know that blu heavy is now dead, and with most of the blu team from TFC

[@D_Bhart]

With heavy’s2 icon being cur off at the base of his arm I like to imagine he just flipping off the tfc heavy 😂

[@kamikaze4172]

You know, it's kinda sad that the hulking mass that is Heavy, TFC for that matter, deals the same amount of damage with a crowbar as a scout. In his prime, though, he could probably annihilate TF2 even without a medic

[@dnr-vs1lk]

Of course there are classes that can kill faster than the heavy… spy obviously for one, and sniper if you don’t count charge time. Engi also might be faster if the sentry and engi start attacking at the same time.

[@SquimJim]

Spy would be the only one and only with a backstab. Of course you have to count charge time for Sniper. And Engi does not have a higher max DPS even with a level 3 and Shotgun at point blank with rockets hitting at the same time. (~136 DPS from Sentry bullets + 150 max from rockets + 90 max from the Shotgun = 376) So a knife with a backstab is literally the only thing.

[@dnr-vs1lk]

@@SquimJim you didn't count pre-reving for heavy, how is that any different from charging?

[@SquimJim]

@d41337n8r Reving takes 0.87s where the Sniper Rifle takes 3.3s to full charge. Even if you did allow it to fully charge it has a max DPS of 450 which is still technically lower than the miniguns max. If you plop any 2 classes down in a vacuum at the same time to have to fight each other no one is going to be able to out damage Heavy. Unless the Spy is placed directly behind him or something.

[@dnr-vs1lk]

@@SquimJim did you not use the numbers after having been spun up for a second? i thought the dps of the minigun was always lower than the assault cannon unless you pre-rev for some time, but at the end you report the minigun killing .2 seconds faster. i don't see how you can not count pre reving for a whole second but count charging a sniper rifle.

[@SquimJim]

@d41337n8r They're 2 different timeframes and the minigun can attack once spun up where the Sniper Rifle cannot attack while charging without losing the charge, obviously. If placed in a vacuum at the same time the minigun is obviously out damaging the Sniper Rifle if the Sniper begins charging at the exact same moment the minigun begins revving. Like I said, nothing in either game has a higher max DPS than the minigun and thats true regardless of whether or not the sniper rifle is charged. (Aside from technically the knife, I suppose. And the Brass Beast, obviously)

[@notalive5479]

I would say this fight is relatively even. In my opinion, the 4 second fuse time on the grenades is just too long to ever truly matter in a 1v1 situation, and the spin-up time is fairly even when the TF2 Heavy is going to be jumping around corners. They don't do enough to even out the advantage Heavy gets from his better TTK. However, the lack of damage falloff is a definitive win over the TF2 Heavy, which gives him the edge at range. Therefore, they do at least have slight edges over the other in different environments. TF2 Heavy has the edge in close quarters, especially around corners, while the TFC Heavy has the edge outside. Therefore, which one has the advantage ultimately depends on the map.

[@supermudkipz]

Looks like it’s time for the Heavy vs TFC Heavy Death Battle

[@CoconutGaming41806]

TFC Medic vs TF2 Medic is what I request for the next video

[@pokeman5699]

now i want Heavy's TFC weapons being officially added to TF2 with their own unique stats based on their original counterpart (or at least reskins)

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

just like the classic, but good

[@drivanradosivic1357]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 what if the Classic can turn into a 75 ammo SMG with bleed on hit(people hate the Natasha, which the Classic would be like as a sniper) when Pressing R with it active? how would that work and would it make the Classic intersting?

[@TalleyBellum]

Punished Breakfast, a man denied his oats

[@keeganlafferty1395]

so basically due to possessing mechanics absent in the sequel TFC heavy beats TF2 heavy

[@dhararry7929]

Keep this going, I want to see them all.