Fatshark, Let's Talk. How is Darktide Doing?

[@MisterEtide]

Wow, seems like the thing about quitters really resonated! One thing I have seen in a number of comments is this game lacking community, and I fully agree. I myself used to quickplay alone, and it was EXTREMELY rare to have any groups hit Q to keep the strike team together. Same issue is affecting their party finder, people are more comfortable being anonymous, which leads to bad, selfish behavior like leaving. The fact there is no pregame hangout in the morningstar really hurts the camaraderie, I used to love hanging out in the Inn or the Keep waiting for a match to fill, then getting in the bubble. So here’s a solution! Replace the prep screen we have now where everyone stands around looking like four statues with an actual hangar where players can swap their gear, hop in the plane when theyre ready, and of course PARKOUR!

[@rodrigolopezmaya5974]

I think fatshark can do a little with the quitter pandemic by removing the Sir Melk contracts of no casualties. Usually quitters numbers grow on the first couple of days once contracts get restarted and in my games they quit when someone (it doesn't have to be them) dies so probably they don t give a damn about staying in that game.

[@parazyte2988]

​@@rodrigolopezmaya5974 nd the penance of not dying or no casualties... if they get downed on auric mel with 4/5 to get that title immedietly quit lol

[@fudashi5628]

this one lobby / Shipthing is in helldivers 2 the case and it's almost the same behaviour with the lobbies as in darktide

[@MisterEtide]

@@fudashi5628 i cant pretend its all the devs responsibility, a lot is player behavior, but they can probably make like a 2% change by just changing these mechanics. A little goes a long way to curbing these behaviors

[@geeacc1634]

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[@thunder2434]

Quitters/ leavers are usually one of four things: 1. The saint. Players who're downed in a critical situation who selflessly sacrifice their time and efforts on a mission to get an unfettered bot in to save the team. 2. The legitimate. Somebody who has to leave because tgeir cat is suddenly sick over the carpet or an unexpected delivery. 3. The defeatist They quit fom losing heart in they belonging on that mission which is sad and I try to bolster and carry to avoid anyone feeling like that. But also some aren't giving a clutcher the benefit of at least trying before they leave. 4. The selfish. They're selfishly uncaring if it hurts the game for others and want a restart they can win more easily. Idk. I've never even thought like that myself. Are they playing the right game for them? Darktide is built for co-op teamwork. Don't bail on a clutcher, just give them a minute, you know? I once clutched a Damnation Hi intensity for 5-6 minutes, beat two Monstrosities solo and shredded an entire horde just to find that the three players I'm rescuing have all left and I get 3 bots. Time passes but then no one comes in for the rest of the mission. I nearly beat the mission anyway alone with the bots. Nearly.

[@packmanbp]

Sometimes I do the "saint" thing when I see only one guy standing and a dire but salvageable situation, but most times it's just "yeah I'm just wasting everyone's time and ressources here, a bot might be somewhat more useful" 😅

[@fluffrier]

There is also the fifth case of those who abuse mods to get a free out of jail card when they're netted/downed in a bad position by returning directly to operatives selection screen. The game treats them as being disconnected so they can get right back in although they lost a wound. I play on East Asia and Asia Pacific server, and people here do that a lot (I used to do that as well).

[@thunder2434]

@packmanbp Don't sell yourself short. If you can shoot a gun decently do that, if you can melee then keep moving around and dodge and cut and stay on the outside of a large group of enemies. As long as you occupy them at least you're doing good work. This said with the right skills and build the characters in the game are able to mow down entire hordes alone, you can learn this too. Sidestep and cut and step forward, cut and step back. Always small movements to be harder to hit, that's a good start for it. Then get a good melee weapon, if you got a chainweapon take a speed stim and zig-zag the mouse to hit multiple enemies. There are so many videos showing how to fight melee or shoot you can just watch a bunch and you improve at least a bit. So the bot then, is it any good? Better than an average player human? No. A bot is only useful to get easily accessible teammates up or drawing fire away from a lone player. They basically can't defeat a Monstrosity even when it's just got a sliver of health left, but even a beginner player can by shooting it or throwing a grenade. A human player is almost always better than a bot, even one with middling skill accidentally on an Auric mission. Just stay close to teammates and shoot and try to not get surrounded alone. Find a chokepoint and hold it, except when you hear the tick of a burster or a bombers' grenade about to deny that spot. If a player asks me mid game if they should quit from being too overmatched in skill I always say no and tell them to stick with me instead. Another thing to consider is that when you leave the ping drops for a time for the remaining players. In a duel with a monstrosity that can spell instant defeat for the player soloing it. Fighting crushers or a pack of ragers would be equally damaging. So at least don't leave in a crucial moment like that Maybe if everyone else is downed you got no choice though. But if you can at least pick a less damaging moment to do it. Or better yet don't and stick with the mission.

[@swissarmyknight4306]

@@thunder2434 Hell, I'll settle for just staying with the group to give us coherency. That alone puts you in the top 10% of players.

[@saunshilu]

i tend to quit when everyone is all down so to allow a bot to try and fix things also so im not stuck on the mission fail screen because fatshark has yet to really fix the "press space to continue" bug

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

When you want fatshark to also have fat ears and a fat heart:

[@borntopwnyou]

and a fat hawg

[@TheeMonkeMan]

​@@borntopwnyouwhat if we give it a bit of hawk tuah. Think we'll get more content?

[@PillowOfEvil]

But they only want a fat wallet.

[@roachies4242]

@@TheeMonkeMan😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐

[@HarryO_Possum]

Quit it. You'll wake up/attract the "inflation" people.

[@JonathanB00K3R]

The maps are unbelievably beautiful. I still just appreciate the scenery whenever I can!

[@rodrigolopezmaya5974]

this is one of the reasons single player is a must

[@AA-vr8ez]

@@rodrigolopezmaya5974if you are on pc, there’s a mod called solo play and it works great

[@stripes9908]

Same here but I wish there were better options to reduce said detail for performance, Ive admired the maps enough after 800 hours.

[@alexandreparent5754]

Yes I agree that they are very beautiful but it truly lacks color variety and I wish they did bring more colors to the game without compromising the setting/immersion. I think it should probably even apply to enemies in the horde/elites because everyone in gray makes it so hard to know what is what in a mixed horde. Likely would color flak and carapace armor differently as an example. Amplify mayhaps some green and red on enemies etc etc.

[@B3AVZ]

SOLO PLAY. I might be asking for a lot here, but I would like more story, cutscenes, cinematics etc in some capacity. Something a bit more engaging than the loading screen before and after missions. Maybe some types of in game events happening such as people fighting in the background of maps or maybe a space marine breaking through a wall after a monstrosity instantly killing it and leaving through another wall. Just some things to make the world feel more alive in some way idk.

[@Andreas0424]

I agree that events should be dialed up to 11. They’re temporary anyway, make them a test bed for crazy OP shit.

[@articcenturion8387]

I want a proper OOPS ALL RAGERS mode, or something really crazy. The recent one has cool enemy designs, but doesn't change gameplay much.

[@meadowsrot]

There's so much hope and so much they can do with this game, I hope we start seeing more regular updates soon

[@akujie4821]

Not too regular though. Messes with my mods...... 😅

[@MiarmudVon-v5z]

I don’t know if they’ll ever pick up steam beyond random updates. They also don’t communicate fuqq all to anyone

[@MiarmudVon-v5z]

Funny he just mentioned it but Fatshark don’t communicate with their fans beyond videos or scripted comms so their fanbase have a love hate relationship. Meanwhile SM2 devs communicate about every single thing

[@Rogal-Dork]

@@MiarmudVon-v5z and that's great but it doesn't change the fact the only thing space marine 2 will ever have going for it is cosmetics and roleplaying because darktide is just kinda undefeatedly the more fun game to play for mechanics and challenge

[@TaRAAASHBAGS]

Been suffering Fatshark since 2015 with Verm 1. Their work "process" and management are still a baffling mystery. The fact they work so slowly and make so many dumb decisions is remarkable for a reasonably well funded company with over 100 employees. I'm at the acceptance stage of the grief and frankly just appreciate when they do anything right at all. The problems with Verm are just expounded upon with Darktide because 40k fans are utterly insatiable about whaling over useless garbage. From day 1 I've seen SO many paypig cosmetic wearers in this game. Unless the whales stop buying aquilas (they won't) I can't imagine this game improving at anything but a glacial pace.

[@Sexploitsful]

You can skip the annoying Mission Fail screen by opening your menu before the "everyone dead face down in a pool" scene and then hitting Leave Mission once it does reach that screen. You'll still get your partial rewards, too.

[@vonbissingen]

I agree about the events, but not so important for me. I also see the rise of leaver and it's annoying. But by far my biggest issue is the mission board. Map and modifiers need to be choosrable. To seeing three times Maelstrom with same modifier is for me the biggest downside. Give us atleast one maelatrom of every modifier with changing maps.

[@MisterEtide]

Funny thing is, there is a mod that can see missions on the backend and all missions are available for 24hrs. So theres actually like 24x the missions you can actually see that are available, the game only shows a small fraction for some reason

[@Spokenword]

They're probably worried about the playerbase being too small to fill all the maps multiplied by difficulties and modifiers.

[@braindead4378]

Honestly the mission board is a bit of a vice hold. If they let players pick whatever difficulty for whatever map with whatever modifier and require others to pick all of that to queue up, obviously statistically thats gonna make queues way longer than when every player is picking from like, 20 choices. And if they just send 100 variants on the screen for people its the same thing. Mind, they could also just, have a regular mission select with the only queueing factor being mission and difficulty, with a quickplay option that goes to the same pool. Works for just about every other game. Mutations are still an issue though. I know I hate, and some of my friends even leave, when you queue up a random missions with a mutation you hate. Though that could also, ITSELF, fix the issue. Let people select specific mutations and only like 3 choices will have full lobbies because the rest suck. Still spreads the players thinner, though.

[@dzangordenakha3995]

Well, except for new classes i'm still waiting for the story written by Dan Abnett they promised. edit: sorry, not promised, marketed.

[@theredrisen9520]

I mean the story is there, the problem is you have to find out most of the info from outside of the game.

[@dzangordenakha3995]

@@theredrisen9520 i have a simple rule of thumb, if story is outside the game, there isn't one.

[@noddy1973]

​@@dzangordenakha3995 based

[@MercutioUK2006]

DA is my 40k God, but he's rather slow given his incredible commitments. That said, I would pay hard money dollars for a novel by him covering Atoma....

[@dzangordenakha3995]

@@MercutioUK2006 and I already paid 40$ for a game with his name on it. My comment is not about abilities of Abnett first and only (haha title drop) , it's about FS saing in pre-release marketing materials that DT will feature a narrative story written by DA. And as of right now there is no story let alone written by DA.

[@TheMadwizz]

One solution to dying in a match is to take the system that the game Awesomenauts has. In that game when you die you spawn high in the sky in a drop pod and play this minigame of collecting resources as you slowly descend back in to the battlefield. What Fatshark can do is if you die you immediately spawn by yourself in a side tunnel where you will only fight normal mobs and when you reach the end of that tunnel you can drop down a hole that lead to the main map and rejoin the team.

[@TheIardis]

that'd be super awesome!

[@correctopinionhaver]

I take pride in doing Auric storm survivor legit. No stacks, no alt F4 cheese, all random teammates and just a mountain of nicotine pouches to fuel my conquest for ASS

[@sirnotawesome]

>nicotine Get real and start snorting some vyvanse. Then your in my 4 stack bbg

[@Yoann_Saint-Martin]

I have an idea to solve the problem of leavers, while respecting the lore. In the Imperium, if you leave the battlefield, your fate is summed up in two things: either you are thrown in prison, or you are executed on the spot. The system is simple, if a player leaves the game a certain number of times, in a certain time limit, (it is up to the developers to decide), his behavior will be considered as sedition. As punishment, his costumes, his insignias, his titles, and his frames will be temporarily confiscated. Instead, he will be forced to wear a prisoner costume with the word sedition on his nameplate written in big letters, and it is important that this is applied to all his created characters regardless of their classes. To return to normal, he will have to regain the trust of the Inquisition and seek redemption by winning a certain number of missions with a certain difficulty, (it is still up to the developers to decide), all this under the disapproving gaze of his teammates and the crew of the Mourning Star. Of course, any behavior considered as sedition will extend the duration of the punishment. Leavers must be ashamed! You don't mess with the Imperium!

[@Zeriador]

"Oh geeze, this is the fourth time my game has crashed after the latest patch. If i do it again, I'm gonna get punished, might as well fire up a game that doesn't have assbackwards ideas."

[@matthewdeklerk3457]

Beyond terrible idea. Griefers don't care about skins or frames. Innocent players will lose all thier progress.

[@hoodiesoup]

As primarily a Hammer Zealot, I love fighting 500 monstrosities. The Beasts of Nurgle were kind of fun for me. They’re a pain to fight, but it’s not the snooze fest that Plague Ogryns are, so I appreciate the fight a bit more. Personally I wish there was a lot more camaraderie in this game, so your points on “The Ugly” I agree with 💯

[@thaliuswarborn1148]

few points from the view of a vermintide vet and a darktide newcommer, its long so be forewarned The good: 1- this game is unironicaly addicting to a point you can nolife it, that's a huge plus for me in games like these 2- it makes me incredibly happy that the high ceiling of some things hasn't dropped at all since vermintide 3- everything is precisely as good as i hoped; the art, the gameplay loop, the feel of weapons and man my expectations were *high* 4- there's so many different (and good, that's important too) ways to play i'd be impressed if someone can't find a single style they like and that, in turn, pushes this game replayability LONG beyond where it would've ended ...the bad: 1- the grind is "decently" paced out in terms of weapons but kinda blows in terms of Talents. Personaly, i felt i could only start to see why X class could be fun for me at about level20 or so which is a lotta time you're asking to TRY TO CONVINCE people to keep playing your game until it becomes *actualy* fun. If i hadn't already known that feeling from playing vermintide and/or was horribly addicted to horde shooters i'd probably not stick around and with the influx of new players i bet everyone can see why thats bad. Also this game isn't goddamn cheap, that is a *tall* order for anyone with third-world money trying to figure out if it's actualy worth the price. 2-the rewards for most content are absolute ass and weekly shop is a joke. Since you can get a character maxxed at around 15-20hours by that point anything worth buying in both equipment stores is so below your level its less of a chore to just spam missions to try and get what you want while hoarding materials to make leveling your next character easier than buying equipment and upgrating it. 3- while still on the topic of rewards, and this is for the endgame guys that wanna nolife this game: anything beyond Curios is so goddamn easy to get a good, hell even a "GodRoll", that it trivializes the whole thing. Even curios are kinda whatever since you can just refine to your tastes. I feel bad for people who had to grind these out, and i mean REALLY grind for them back in their days with how easy i decked out my ogryn in "meta" equipment for literally all weapons at about 60h of playtime. Granted with how few weapons Ogryn has that must be a whole lot worse on other classes but the point still stands. 4- at some point the missions all blur together and, though i'm willing to forgive the low number of them since the game is barely 2 years old, i'm not willing to overlook how uninvested i feel in the actual world that i'm playing in. I get why it is this way; given each Darktide mission can take anywhere between 20 minutes to an hour i can see why keeping Vermintide's campaign-style missions would make it *very* hard to produce new content, but i still feel like it could've made the game better. As it stands Darktide is, for me, a "40K Horde shooter game" and it could've had anyone of the 4 chaos Gods or anything else in it that it wouldn't change anything, and i wanted just a tad more immersion than that. 5- having 3 different voices/personalities for 4 classes means more expensive contracts with voice actors, which means more work for less money for writers, which means spreading manpower kinda thin resulting in far fewer interactions between both the playable and NPCs, which means less immersion resulting in me not giving a damn about most of it beyond the 30h gametime mark. There's only so many times i can hear an Ogryn go "GRUTTING GREAT!" before it starts sounding like sandpaper against my eardrums and it pains me so much to say this. whatever immersion darktide has is based (heh) on the novelty of being able to experience a good portrayal of the 40K universe on anything else than an *very expensive* hobby, wiki-diving/books or very niche RTS games and said novelty quickly goes away as you play. Wielding a Bolter for the 50th time is still fun, just not as fun as picking it up the first time and realizing you FINALY get to actualy use the damn thing in a good 40k game you know? ...and that about covers it i think. Also i wanna be very clear here; i love this game. It fills a very "L4D2 but less braindead" hole in my heart and i'm glad i got it but the negatives are only longer than the positives because want to precisely convey WHY i think it should change, not to demotivate you to try it or even bash the game out of popularity. I'm saying all of this 'cause, deep down, i want this game to flourish *the right way* .

[@tuesss]

I agree with most of this except bad #5: I love these interactions between different personalities and shooting a bolter or even a bolt pistol always feels great no matter how many times I do it (and I'm not even much of a 40K fan). I wish there were more voices, actually, but I understand that's infeasible.

[@B3AVZ]

I think part of the leaver problem could be from people getting disconnected. They lag out which causes them to go down and when you go for the revive they turn into a bot. I know because I get disconnected constantly, although I do reconnect each time, I assume some people don't bother. With that said, I also get a ton of leavers.

[@DeeDeeCeeCee]

There's that part too. There's been several times where I've started roasting a leaver and my teammate is in a discord call with the leaver and said that they crashed. Or the leaver will leave and come back several times. Fixing the server errors and disconnect issues certainly should be the first step in fighting against the leavers imo

[@sulphuric_glue4468]

Sometimes you get DC'd literally as you go down. I've had this a couple of times where I go down or get trapped and the game disconnects me, and it looks like I've ragequit

[@HarryO_Possum]

The game, at least on Xbox, has a habit of freezing when Smiting, too.

[@M240D]

Huge problem for me on xbox

[@JB-dn5xc]

one day I clutched almost half level on maelstorm damnation for more than 45 minutes just to be disconnected at the very end, got reconnected and had the time to gg before being disconnected again due to the mission ending, and not counting of course, real issue here.

[@stripes9908]

I really like the point about the end game screen on a loss being way too long. Ive already built the habbit to insta-leave games the moment all 4 players in the game are downed and/or netted.

[@nerfinator207]

I was looking for this! Most often when I leave a game it’s because of this, and it’s probably another huge factor as to why people leave in “clutch” scenarios. Imagine waiting for 5+ minutes to be saved, the guy dies, then you sit on a 2 minute scene of your character’s awkwardly standing there, plus loading screens to get back to the mourningstar. If they made the loss screen skippable with one button and it instantly put you on the menu, it would be so much better.

[@MiarmudVon-v5z]

Loading screens are exactly why. You think you’ll lose and don’t feel like waiting for the long ass load.

[@pit_shost]

I could not care less about further weapons, progression or subclasses. I just want more maps and enemy variety

[@Rogal-Dork]

The itemization update pretty much saved the game, I've never seen so many people playing it since launch, they have a lot of work to do in terms of competing with space marine 2 but as long they can keep content drops every one to two months, they got this

[@ianprebo7856]

There are so many weapons in the 40k universe we could get. I’d love to see heavy bolter on the Ogryn, I’d also love to see melta gun, plasma pistol, and even a grenade launcher.

[@ecklesezekiel9804]

A lot of people leave because they're trying to get the deathless achievement/weekly. Others because queues are fast & dying wastes so much time. Amend the achievement & Give a 5 min queue penalty/leave & scale exponentially up to 30 min and that'll fix the issue. I put 0 value in the title because I know a lot of them were obtained this way. If anything it just lets me know they're someone who cares other people see it.

[@spencerclark6113]

I think the title is a good indicator of "hello I am less likely to disconnect randomly" since they have little reason to. Even just a little etiquette would go a long way if people would say "sorry I have to go" or "going afk" or something in the chat rather than vanishing for (presumably) lame achievement hunting on the highest difficulty

[@EcchiRevenge]

I doubt it. The title's acronym is literally ASS.

[@torm0]

The weeklies need to be reworked. There's no reason to take anything other than plasteel, diamantine, dregs, scabs and monstrosities. Everything else is wasted time.

[@spencerclark6113]

@@torm0 kinda right, the reward for collecting 16 grimoires or scriptures is not even close to worth it when you can take a smaller challenge and get the completion bonus of 1,000 melk monies

[@torm0]

@@spencerclark6113 Take scriptures and grims off the weeklies and just have them give you like 100 / 200 melk points for collecting all three / two in a match. Take no player deaths off and put in stuff like Weakspot kills, cliff edge kills, barrel kills, elite kills, disabler kills etc.

[@Liternal22]

I really liked the unrelenting hordes event, it was my favorite of the three as it felt like a constant and felt meaningful. Like every groaner horde is suddenly way tougher to get through instead of dying to a stiff breeze. The rinda one played like a normal mission, just replace one of the monstrosities with her, and the newest one can be kinda annoying at times but I appreciate the model differences.

[@donmongoose]

On the topic of leavers - It is a player mentality thing and I think there's a big difference between regions and it effects more than just 'leavers'. Many of the issues around other players I see/read about on YT and the subreddit simply don't reflect my experience on EU servers at Auric or Mael level.

[@robertocavicchi5333]

The thing about quitters is extremely true. Everyone has RL reasons to quit a game sometime, but when you see a player quitting right after they have been downed we all know they just didn't bother. The penances are certainly a reason, but also the fact that sometimes the wait time to be resurrected is frustratingly long. I think a greater number of res spots scattered in the maps would help.

[@KageRyuu6]

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. To that end, you want to kill the game, make people wait fifteen minutes before getting back into a game. The game is already full of time wasters as it is, Mourningstar's layout, mission start jogs, their generic failure cut scenes, end game resource tallies, and let us not forget the preponderance of load screens. As for community, that died the second they decided to make the Mourning Star into a public server lobby and made grouping up optional at the end of missions. Both Vermintide games had hosted lobbies where players would join before starting the mission, and upon completion would be returned to the host's lobby to decide whether they wanted to go again or not. In short, if you want people to group together, make it the quicker more efficient option.

[@ChromaSoul]

There's so much they can do with this game... so much character and narrative to work with that I hope they really take advantage of the opportunity. The game's life has felt like its grown lately and it's great. Keep expectations low

[@TzereterOne]

I'm fairly new to Darktide still barely over 30 with my zealot. Thank you for all the builds and recommendation videos!

[@torm0]

You're right about the end game screen. Its hellish and wasn't always that long, I think they increased it just because they want you to show off your skin and pose. Also I feel like there have been alot more leavers recently because of the new player influx. Some of them don't know enough about the game to understand that others can clutch a bad situation.

[@nodamnclan]

An addition for death and leavers - On the system side, there are a bunch of instances where downed players are moved WAY beyond where the next rescue SHOULD be - even going beyond locked event areas.

[@kommissarantilus3742]

18:00 you nailed it completely, i force myself to not leave before the end screen but lately i've succumbed to the leave game button so i don't get stuck in a loading screen forever

[@DocHoliday767]

These last few months for darktide has been stellar hope they jeep up the momentum, feel like the story is beginning to really come into place

[@taylerisu2668]

Ngl, silly modes feel like an easy way to get temporary engagement/publicity. Something like Grandfather’s Gifts where Beasts of Nurgle spawn like crazy. Missions with frequent rager mobs, crusher mobs, just crazy stuff. Easy, quick content where all they have to do is increase spawn rates. I know within a day a hardcore player will upload a video of them skirting like 20 crushers at once and killing them all in a minute. A game mode where daemonhosts spawn insanely frequently would be horribly awesome.

[@benfieldhicks7064]

back to the game after the crafting update and after Apex kept being Apex. I bought Space Marine 2 and played for 3 hours. This is the 40k game. This is what 40k should look like! I love your attitude and and voice over. Keep it up!

[@paxulhd37]

I would love to see more stuff for orgyns and more maps. On an unrelated note, I would be more than delighted to see a veteran shovel build, or a zealot with a crusher or eviscerator.

[@rainbowthumb9979]

I have had so many people leave. I'd suggest strikes? Like for each game you leave you get a strike, after leaving a mission x amount of times in x amount of time, you'll be locked out for little bit. Then also track "leaving a mission" as a fail.

[@edwardjohnson5527]

Something i think they could look at doing is extending the endgame. They wouldn't have to invest much in it. Taking Deep Rock Galactic as an example, you could reset a character's level to 1, gain a cosmetic / medal or something, and then get to level them up to 30 again. And once you've done that, maybe you get to go to level 31 and get 1 extra talent point. Also with weapon masteries, it would be good if you could still progress past level 20, but very slowly. Maybe get to level 40 mastery and you get to upgrade your weapon to 510 power. At the moment, you reach level 30 with your character, you get level 20 mastery in all the weapons that you like, and then progression ends. I would like it if there was more progression, even if it took a huge amount of xp or mastery to do, it would be something. And it wouldn't require a lot of effort for Fatshark to do it. Also deep dives. Can we have something like that in Darktide?

[@MisterEtide]

I think thats the idea behind havoc. Players who are in endgame can work on raising their havoc levels as a test of skill

[@tuesss]

I find existing progression very good, actually. Character level 30 and mastery level 20 are just the beginning, because then the real progression starts: improving skills and refining builds. This is the first game where I'm actually interested in the "endgame", because it doesn't involve killing the same boss over and over again for a 0.0001% chance to drop an item, it's just me and my skills (and my teammates, of course). Also, contrary to what some content creators say ;) there is no single definitive build for each class, it all depends on your playstyle. More difficult content is always welcome, though.

[@beansontoast423]

WE WANT INDIVIDUAL STATS LIKE IN VERMINTIDE 2. My friends actively Avoid Darktide just to play Vermintide 2/ left 4 dead 2 just for the Individual damage and kill stats in game so we can compare and admire.

[@j.sch.8266]

just get the scoreboard mod

[@danhill99]

I feel like Helldivers 2 did this best- if you leave mid game it bumps you into a separate server and you both continue. I definitely agree it’s worthwhile to speed up the “redeploy” time as much as possible

[@ginzosquingilly6711]

Other games implement similar systems for players who quit mid-match. Apex Legends, for example, handles this really well by imposing a fair 5-minute penalty for those who leave their team. While I no longer play Apex, I appreciated this feature because it discourages players from quitting just to requeue, which often leads to frustration from players who needed that team to win. At the same time, players who leave for legitimate reasons barely notice the 5-minute timer. The system was specifically designed to punish those who give up and immediately try to requeue. A similar approach would be beneficial in this game, as quitting has become a widespread issue and almost an epidemic with selfish try hards.

[@nickrafuse984]

I think you're points are all pretty on-the-mark. I've noticed the leavers too and wondered what was going on. I believe that as the game gains popularity and more players show up (I was actually queued to join the other day??), the more "I'm just here for fun" players there are, and the more leavers there are. I don't think there's anything wrong with someone playing the game because it looks interesting, or because they heard it's "like x game", but it does create a more casual, anonymous community. I think that paying the waiting penalty is probably necessary to help curb this in the short term. Start at something similar to the average time wasted in the "you failed" screen, or average time it normally takes to resurrect.

[@u-mos8820]

So I thought the Rhinda in the dark was kinda lazy but ok. It was the weakest of events so far for me. The fact unrelenting horde came with heavy sword for vet is my bias there, lot of fun. And here's the thing about the new one, I'm having a fucking blast fighting beast with a devil claw. That and just getting more live experience. The leaving thing is complicated but everything you said made sense. I think the only time i sometimes leave is when the last person goes down in hopes that the bot saves the day. Even then half the time I feel I should just take my lumps and move on to the next game. For the future, I feel a horde defense mode (with npc?) or a new faction type are the ideas that most excite me but I have actually really liked all the event things and if they are adding more in the Havoc update I'm still quite interested. Games gotten a really rough reception, but I'm starting to see more decent takes on the complicated affair of Darktide.

[@zo6479]

I don’t leave because I doubt other players' skills; I leave because I’m not waiting five minutes to be revived. Ideally, I’d wait 45 seconds, then assess based on proximity to the nearest spawn point. If the nearest spawn is too far, I leave. Imagine waiting five minutes to respawn in Call of Duty or Battlefield-I value my time more than waiting around to be respawned.

[@georgeslebuisson2441]

I could be interesting for quitters to have a deserter debuff for their next mission, and for people staying in game when someone leaves to get their share of resources if they manage to end the mission anyway.

[@Zeriador]

Good call for someone who has to leave the game because they have a real life? Nonsense.

[@matthewdeklerk3457]

"I'm already getting no resources might as well quit" Lmao your idea fixes nothing and encourages toxicity

[@N7-Greywind]

A leaver timer is best. For legitimate leavers, ur off doing something anyway. Only inconvenience is to illegitimate leavers. I agree with new enemy race needed. A lot of comments asking for a new class, but an alternative could be a 4th line to the skill tree for each current class. Up the lvl cap to 35. Make it cost 5-8 bucks. Make it interesting and unique like vermintides class dlc. Maby include a new class weapon in each pack. FS makes good money. And even people who cant afford it get the extra 5 levels for huge new build diversity. As you said DT needs the replay multipliers. Enemies, builds, class and game modes. Chaos wastes when? Or "warp incursions" xD looking forwatd to havoc.

[@totulhu3347]

Leaver timer is practically impossible: This game crashes and disconnects all the time, recently i can't even reconnect to the game that i was DCed of, because Darktide just crashes. And if fatshark puts timer on players, that just legitimately left the game - everyone will just start alt+f4.

[@swaggadash9017]

You know we have the technology to tell the difference between you quitting/alt f4 and crashing? The only way you'd get around it is turning your internet off for a "legit" DC, you have to be extremely sad to do that.

[@Sweepy_Joe]

The quitting issue is 100% down to people trying to get those bloody penances.

[@rustybobdotca]

My problem with people leaving has way less to do with the fact that they're leaving. I think the biggest problem is that the reconnect timer is longer than it needs to be. I have no beef with the players who leave the game with Leave Mission, because someone else will be able to take their place immediately. My problem is with the Alt-F4 rage quitters. They leave you stuck with a useless bot for what seems like an eternity.

[@KharBrons]

19:00 Make a title that sticks on your character called "Dropout" if you leave a match while downed. The only way to clear the title is to complete a match of the same difficulty that you left 😂

[@wizard_4194]

better yet, make one that says "coward" or "quitter"

[@Zeriador]

You realize that people try to salvage runs by leaving so a bot replaces them and might be able to save the other person who's downed? What about people who have to leave suddenly? Due to emergencies?

[@wizard_4194]

@@Zeriador those people have a valid reason to leave. The fuckers who aggro a host and leave or get downed in 2 seconds and leave can fuck right off.

[@kenrald2959]

The thing that I don't really understand is Vox messages. Instead of teasing the playerbase with these messages, slowly revealing something huge and unexpected, showing an update teaser of some sort in the end, they just update the game and post these vox messages afterwards, or simply make them not leading to anything at all (the good ol' plasmagun!). Like, it is good to actually hear the moment Commisar Dukane arriving on Atoma, or the blight infecting the soldiers, or the messages about the heretical train, but we already know that. The event is over already, we've been playing the new mission for a week now, and everyone waved their hand at Dukane's post on Mourningstar. It's just tiny bits of lore now.

[@Cyberpsychos_Dirge]

I’ve been playing since the Beta. Current DT is leagues better than launch or year after launch DT. But there is still a lot to be done. I’m excessively happy with the crafting update. That brought a lot of much needed life back into the game. Solo play is still missing, as are the new classes they said would could out quarterly. I know they went a much better route with the classes and skills, but new stuff would be nice. My main complaint is still the store. The cosmetics are overpriced, use a predatory FOMO system, and doesn’t allow you to earn premium currency like VT2 did. Oh, and I’m still waiting for an apology from that community manager who called us beta players “pearl clutchers” for being upset that new players got a shit tonne of Aquilas during a sale while all we got was a glitchy helmet that needed to be patched.

[@shinobi7mm]

Not gonna lie, if I go down I enjoy watching a badass clutch. I'm 45 years old I don't have the coordination I once had. Age sucks but it's inevitable so when I see someone flick and juke the way I used too. Props and GG. Now get me up and let's purge! LOL

[@swaggadash9017]

Hell yeah! Sometimes it goes both ways though. The good player can get tired of clutching every fight, I know I do in some games I play because ultimately you can tell if it's for nothing.

[@tuesss]

Exactly, sometimes it's like watching a good movie. Although I'm not entirely sure yet about the age thing, because I used to think the same, but I'm definitely getting better once again now after 500 h of Darktide despite being old. The biggest problem is finding that much time to dedicate to a game as an adult, IMO.

[@shinobi7mm]

@@tuesss You're not wrong, time and practice definitely factor in.

[@saunshilu]

the AI director being on crack has been quite a problem, especially when joining a dying match mid game on fire with 10+ crushers/maulers bumming it to my location and the game just telling me "you can save this yeah???" LIKE HELL NO I CANT

[@MrVeps1]

Like with the previous Fatshark games, the trick to having a satisfying expetience is to have three friends to play with. Even though I'm not nearly as experienced and kitted out as my friends, they would much rather have a steadfast and cooperative team player than any random elf main.

[@MercutioUK2006]

With regards to leaving/quitting - perhaps I'm hopelessly optimistic, but I don't leave until we're victorious, or buried in a pool of goo........I'm aware that I'm in a minority. That manner of player behaviour seems to be a "thing" more recently and in truth, I have no idea how I would combat that. Perhaps easing some of the penance requirements might decrease the incentives to leave but I feel as if the majority simply don't want to wait to be ressed, there's no real reason to play as a team for many (or they feel uncomfortable doing so) ergo, premades are incredibly rare.....at least in my experience. Again, that simply could be me. Now that FS fixed masteries and crafting, the most frequent requests appear to be for maps/weapons/classes and god knows we had to wait forever in VT2 for those additions. Havoc doesn't feel as if it's particularly enticing, especially if it mandates premades and hence marginalise the content for many solo players. I love Darktide but aside from a couple of niggling penances, I don't have a reason to play.....

[@PlebNC]

I'd like the unique event reward (i.e. Rewards that aren't currencies and materials like the recent portait frame) to be unlocked at the mid point of the event reward tiers not the last one. This is because not everyone finds it fun, or even has time, to grind whatever metric of the week the event decides and so putting it at the mid point requires some effort while leaving the door open for if you want to grind the rest. Alternatively they could do what Sea of Thieves sometimes does by after the event those rewards get reallocated to existing penances so the FOMO element of the event is removed and considering how many penances don't give anything beyond points, they really need the extra rewards especially when the quality bar is very heavily skewed to the cash shop items over awards for people only bought the game.

[@JonathanNormandy]

I want EVEN MORE wrapon customisations, like sights, irons, flashlights, bayonets, underbarrel shotguns and grenade launchers, the whole shebang. Id love to see some rad-weapons, and a bolter equivalent for Ogryn, like a chaingun or something. And yes, a mechanicus class would be pretty cool. More ogryn weapons in general. More skill tree paths. Now time to talk about things that will NEVER happen. A Deathguard Space Marine bossfight, genestealers, maybe some slaeneshi daemons. A rocket launcher for zealot that will launch you into the air when you shoot it at your feet. A teleporter staff for psyker. Bare fists for ogryn. More mini bosses. Idk what, but i want more. This game has so much potential, i just want to see MORE. As much as i enjoy Vermintide 2, it might be time for them to close shop on that gane so they can focus on this one.

[@ZappBranniglenn]

In a way I feel like Quitters are practicing their own brand of etiquette. Because if they quit quick enough they're replaced with a Bot who is not downed. And eventually another player to replace the Bot. Still, it's rare that I Quickplay a Heresy or above mission in which at least three of the four initial players make it to the end - including myself. It's become a real problem.

[@ignatusrailslayer]

Yo my fav sloptide youtuber has posted! Personally - i don't like premium cosmetic shop and the lack of free good cosmetics (they are mostly just recolours of one set anyway). I also don't like that some weapon types are left almost useless by devs (shotguns, shredder autopistol) but they are slowly changing that. I also don't like when they have technical issues and then reset my graphics (at least warn us about before hand so we can screenshot our settings). I also hate that disablers can be silent sometimes. And nurgle blessed mod - giving enemies immunity to Impact is just stupid and removes half of melee mech from engaging with them. But da gaem is good. Don't care about leavers, don't care about events that much (sending people flying with assail kills on mutated enemies is funny tho), but the best way to keep people in is to give people that are waiting something to do. How about if you are in custody for 10/15/20/25 seconds you get to play as a servoskull, tagging resources and enemies, helping a bit to the people that are left without your direct impact? And if you are clutching - you still have extra 3 pairs of eyes to watch for disablers and other unfun stuff. We can even give servo-skulls some minor ability like 1 use stun to get the dog off the friendly, auspex to show enemies in a small radius like exec stance of vet can do, maybe even placing a very small wall shield like psyker for a cover?

[@thunder2434]

Darktide is great at the things it does well. The melee mechanics is so much better than anything else I've ever played (granted I never played Vermintide). The way specials co-operate against you. The way enemies seek to flank Havoc is a great idea. That it's coming pushed me to start playing Auric. Grandfathers' gifts are so great! It should really be the standard way enemies look and work though. Just make it the standard please.

[@candybetta4061]

Feel ya about the quitters. Most of my measly 200hours in Darktide was with a full premade friend group but they never want to play the game as long as I do, or more than they have to for an event/weekly contract, so recently I went into quickplay for the first time. The party finder was dead, there was nothing there, and about 80% of the games there was at least one leaver, usually multiple. Leaver penalties could work, but that might lead into more toxicity if the players with an ego feel like theyre forced to stick with a bad team.

[@glasscannon1815]

The auric achievement trait is easily the most desired and they lynchpin to people dropping like flies from cat difficulty. It's kind of hard to dump it at this point but they should just change how it functions. Maybe even do a reverse uno somehow and make it simpler yet motivate people stay in. Like complete 10 auric cat missions from start to finish and cut out the dying part for the achievement and boom you would be getting people sticking around like glue.

[@tacticaladobo8967]

There's also another reason why people leave the game. There's a trick where you alt-f4 the game you can reconnect back to the session again. As long as the bot doesn't die while you're gone you'll come back with at least half hp and you won't be in a downed state or captured by the trappers net anymore. It's a cheap trick but it has a bigger chance for the session not to fail since the bot can still fight while you're trying to re-log again.

[@oldschooldos6850]

They need to make the penalty for failing a mission less awful. No one is excited to waste 40+ minutes of their time because the PUG you landed in is not ready for Auric or Maelstrom. I agree a better hub would also help foster better sense of community, the morningstar doesn't have anything in it to facilitate interactions between players, no bar, no virtual heretic shooting range. Every trailer had a pseudo briefing chapel manned by the creepy holo-servitor thing and that's not even on the ship.

[@Swi_Light]

First of all, I wanna say a HUGE THANK YOU for making Darktide content! I've started playing right after the Unlocked and Loaded update, and have been watching your videos since. They've helped me grasp the ropes and gain some insight on the game's gimmicks. Not to mention they're majorly entertaining to watch (the sound of your voice does a lot there as well lol). As for leavers, they don't irritate me all that much, but I gotta say clutches happen more often than one'd expect. The only thing that really frustrates me is the inability to disable crossplay on steam (xbox players, for some reason, have this option, even tho they need us more than we need them lmao).

[@DrNiradino]

"Grandpa's gifts are nothing" We'll, I personally enjoy fighting 10+ beasts per map, often on top of each other. I was a twitch mod enjoyer in VT2, and think that DT need something akin to it.

[@secret0fsecrets739]

Fatshark adds a couple of lines about genestealers. The Darktide playerbase: OMFG THEY ARE GOING TO ADD GENESTEALERS WHY ARE YOU NOT ADDING GENESTEALERS!!????=! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@snickeringcat]

Realistically, I highly doubt genestealers will get added, unless they add a new map + mission about going to the other hive city nearby. However, genestealers are FUCKING JUICED. People do not understand the difference between fighting nurgle's stinky boys vs a literal cult of genetically modified humans. A genestealer cult isn't dealt with by humans typically either. They send astartes to take them on.

[@mzry2309]

This is a direct GW/40k issue. I’m not saying Fatshark don’t do the work but when you don’t own the Original IP then it’s a lot more work back and forward between A. a game dev studio and publishing company B. A smoothbrain miniature manufacterer/ Brand and Lore generator that only care about selling models.

[@somekindadragon3414]

If this game could crash less on Xbox, that would be awesome. I crash at least once a play session. I’ve been playing for a month, and i love it. #Fatshark please fix this game. F076 and ESO have events all the time, and players do come back for them. Those games also have super dedicated fan bases and spend real world money in game for cosmetics.

[@hibanamain5709]

Quitters are awful especially in auric lobbies, I still stand by my opinion of this that this is caused by the titles, auric exemplar/auric storm survivor, since if you get downed you can just quit quickly before you die and you don't lose progression And people who aren't good enough to get the titles legitimately try to force these through, hope to get carried through them, etc. Yesterday in particular I had a spree of what I'd call "spiteful" leavers, people who would throw the game on purpose after doing poorly all match, aka, they trigger the DH and leave, since the DH won't go after the bot, it will go after another player

[@ragnarok2494]

I’ve noticed the amount of quitters even outside of auric and it’s honestly sad. I don’t have the auric title but I also just have a mentality of I don’t really want to quit unless the only survivor doesn’t have any clutch potential. I’ll give it a fair watch and give like 5 minutes (cause hey Auric is auric, it’s chaotic and you don’t get much room to breathe sometimes)just to see the survivor and it’s cause I just really hate leaving mid mission.

[@kevink6265]

I was part of this problem when I was working on the no death penance. Prior to and after I don't leave, unless turning into a bit could save the team. It would be good if they could remove the barriers, like very long exit times and incentive people to stay. I would also like more guns, more f2p cosmetics and a new class.

[@HumanKatamari]

I like this type of video. A nice informal 'Darktide and chill' chat. I like knowing that there are more of us who play this game habitually. I play most days and I love this game, flaws and all. I'm glad that there has been more communication from them, not just the recent effort. They've let us know about Havoc before they even have a release date. That's great, now we know they are still working towards improving DT. Honestly, the folk that shit the bed and leave do me a favour more often than not. When I can hold back the Tide until some real reinforcements are sent in, then we usually win.

[@nebei3740]

I dont mind quitters but i appreciate people not leaving. I dont really see this as a big issue though.

[@zenicwave3696]

I havent encountered many leavers but this needs to be addressed. I also feel the talent tree on few classes needs tweaks and work. Some of them though. I would also like to see a new class along with map, weapons, new batch of enemies, and new content. Along with what else to work on. They need to fix the trapper in every way and some bugs like long pause in the end screen like misison fail or complete hitting spacebar to skip doesnt skip.

[@adambasinger6239]

You mentioned league of legends and leaver block and I'm not sure if this is what you meant but I've played league and alongside the systems where you get penalties for leaving (artificially increased que times, bans on playing etc which I do agree does feel overly harsh for a game like this) the client will just... stop you from entering matchmaking while the match you left is still going. Just blacks out the entire client with the only thing remaining being a big "reconnect" button. Wouldn't punish people who have to go for real life stuff since by the time that wraps either the match you left is done or its not and you hop back in, and would incentivize people to stick games out since they would be waiting anyways. I do agree though that the simplest way is to just cut down on the amount of time a failed match takes to wrap up.

[@thresholdhatesrevenant2620]

With fatshark's darktide track record, dont expect genestealers, at the very least, until 2027 IF at all.

[@seanmahoney379]

What’s crazy is it would normally take longer to get into a new game rather than wait to be revived

[@KipcreateGaming]

"Everybody hates Burgles, Fatshark if you could do something about them-" My Brother in the Emperor, you were given a karking weapon to be that something to be done about them. Purge and cleanse until it is done.

[@4ArmedHug]

I like Burgles over Plogryn. Burgles at least are easy to kill and don't knock me off a ledge 50% of the time.

[@JonathanNormandy]

​@@4ArmedHug FR People don't talk about that enough. One second I'm perfectly fine and the next I'm flying over the side of a balcony at Mach 4. I hate those things.

[@theredrisen9520]

​@@4ArmedHugor the C-spawn that runs towards you at mach 8 and pushes into the nearest corner. God I hate chaos spawns...

[@dahSweep]

I don't play much with randoms, since I have a group of friends I usually play with, but when I do I don't really notice them leaving too much. Maybe because I play in diff 3 and 4 and people don't care too much there. My main issue with the game currently is (and always has been) the mission select screen. If I want to play the train mission, because I'm in the mood for a quick and fun mission, I have a pretty big risk of it not being there for me to play. If it is there it might be too low or too high difficulty, so I don't want to play those either. Just let us pick which missions we want to play. They did that in Vermintide, why not in Darktide?

[@R-Miles289]

Shoutout to those people that stay and watch my inevitable demise by attempting to clutch and still be nice about it. There's nothing more motivating in this game than those types of people. If shit hits the fan, and you're staying around, my blood starts pumping tenfold and we're making it out of this mission together.

[@thekillingjoke8982]

I find the leaving thing difficult. Yesterday our team got downed and the last man standing, an Ogryn tank, got hyped and cheered up by us trapped players in chat, while he was trying to free us. It was auric heresy difficulty i think. One of my first games on that difficulty. Seeing him freeing us and then eating up the rest of the map was great fun. Penances and weekly contracts and titles come over time on themselves. You rob yourself of some potentially nice moments, when leaving the game early in most cases. On the other side it's not that i didn't leave games where the bursters i shoved got constantly shot and exploded into my health bar though.

[@ThomasWarhammer]

I want a modifier that makes missions feel like the first tutorial one; I dont know how theyd pull it off though. As much as I love sprinting through levels with my maximized meta build, blasting phonk, two shotting bosses, and smacking pox hounds with grimoires because its funny, watching HUDless, blackout gameplay makes me yearn for something slower paced and survival horror esque.

[@PlebNC]

Your problem is getting other players not to rush forward. Otherwise it would need to be a single player mission.

[@crovaxvoneigen]

To be fair about Grandfather's Gifts, it also has at least 2x the boss spawn rate in addition to the exploding mutants. That alone makes it harder than Rinda. Also the penances and achievements incentivise bad behaviour.

[@har7649]

Honestly props to fat shark for getting a game that use to run like ass at times to run decently well. They had a couple hiccups here and there with performance but nothing wayyyyyy unplayable. Sure you can argue this and that but mate it’s already too late to make excuses on why a 15 year old gpu should run a game using an engine barely anyone knows how to optimize. My actual complaint would be their monetization. I would have liked the game more if it were a skin collecting simulator on top of a money grind sesh. But they got rid of half the fun on top of asking you to spend 40+ bucks on the game.

[@larskrantz1463]

I've been playing Vermintide 2 for over 3600 hours now and the problem with rage quiting have always been there. It's not Fatsharks fault. It's a problem with the western audience. We are way too self centered and egoistic. The worst thing i know is when a person enters a match, fxxxks up the game and leaves.

[@Marcel-eg9bz]

We'll see how Havoc turns out, but I like the idea of a roguelike game mode. Whether it's more like Gunfire Reborn/Roboquest/etc where you get new random perks/skills/items that make your character stronger, or it's more like PoE, where you can select negative map modifiers to make it more challenging that way. The other problem is resources. Don't get me wrong - the crafting update is fantastic - but what do you do with plasteel, diamantine, dockets, and coins once you have all the weapons crafted? We're going to need something else to spend these resources on. The game is fun enough to keep playing for the sake of it, but it wouldn't hurt if there was a reason to want stuff you need resources for.

[@BadgerByNature]

It's definitely not just Maelstroms. I primarily play Auric Damnation and it's extremely common there as well.

[@Rockasauraz]

God i love this game. I want so much for it and i have so many ideas for it and the pace fatshark goes at kills me. But i understand developnent takes time.

[@Broken_valley]

New enemies (gene stealers/small nid stuff for bosses/big boys) and more weapons, more story (maps/cutscenes?) I just run aurics so I’m looking forward for anything that changes up the pace I’d love for that mechanicis class everyone whispers about I’d love for people to be able to play the enemies!

[@snapp0]

Emasculating was a weird choice of words. Embarrassing might have been better. People did this in v2 also, quitting as soon as they go down on cata. Once people perceive themselves as 'good', they feel embarrassed that they died and quit, or quit because they blame the team for their failure.

[@samloyd1762]

I agree with the quitters! I dig the events, yes they are simple but I enjoy the fact they are simple. Is it not what we are doing anyway playing every mission over and over and over and over. It gets me excited for the aspect of havoc that will force you to play builds that otherwise wouldn’t. Case in point I’ve played the hell out of my gunlugger for the boss dps. Just sayin. Love the content brotha!

[@TacticalReaper56]

Darktide will be ignored so fast when Wilds gets here, least for me. Its not even that i want too. Wilds is just THAT good.

[@pashagold1723]

I remember I been playing flamer zealot once. There was some karking try hard that don’t understand that flamer is not just for blasting all ammo out on the hordes. I helped them a lot by stunning ragers, pox bursters, shotguns and other specialists and elites. After we did 50% of the mission only I remained and only because I didn’t use my flamer the “right way” they just kicked me. So think about, the guy thought that better to lost and start over by kicking me then just wait + - extra 4 mins.

[@jacobstarves8257]

I'll be one of those new Ps5 players soon. I'm excited to try Psyker but every class has something that looks unique enough to have my interest. Any tips for a new player?

[@MisterEtide]

Veteran is probably the easiest class to pick up and play if you come from a FPS background. Ogryn is the hardest to play, psyker is also on the hard side but can be very easy with certain builds

[@PillowOfEvil]

My opinion as a casual player that loves the game, but sucks at damnation(because of skills, not equipment/build): The good: You're on point. The game is great and gorgeous, the gameplay is amazing and the music is a banger! The bad: Events - I agree, but saying the game is not challenging enough is very subjective. And it seems like you're just ranting on how bad the events are and aren't giving any opinions on what you'd like more of in them. Yes more events more often would be great, but that's not an improvement in the events themselves. For example, while I love the gameplay, I do think its missing a lot of the story element. If they could make the events with the goal being defeating a boss or something and you have to chase them or foil their plans through several games "themed" around the "villain" kind of like the events were so far but with specific obiectives. The special mission format is a good example. But instead on one mission I'm talking like 4+ missions(which can be already existing missions, just with something extra like the villain showing up to thwart you and dropping clues on what the next mossion could be) that you complete in an order that unlocks the next mission for you and gives some extra rewards when completed the first time or complete x amount of missions with whatever conditions to find the "villain", switch the condition. An event "special mission" so to speak. I understand that it might be more challenging to make, but it's actual content, not just reskinnied models and more enemy bosses. It could also place a focus on certain characters like the special mission does, just in a more extended manner. Models - The beast of nurgle is kind of a bad design, but it's not horrible, I guess. Adding another model that doesn't take up a whole map would be nice I guess? The ugly: Leavers - bad players that think they're good and kids. Auric storm survivor death not counting if you leave isn't helping. That's an easy fix with the title and placing a time penalty on maelstrom missions after leaving like 5 min or something.

[@larskrantz1463]

Well, it's coming to PS5. So for me it's perfect. In some ways I get to play the game as it was intended from the start. Looking forward playing the game

[@Skinnytaire]

hey all, leaving a game shouldnt be punished tbh. its just pain playing with ppl that wait u to do everything. auric missions gonna be pain with ppl that doesnt max out their weapons and also missing curios thats the ppl that just hit lvl 30 and looking for a boost, wich wont be me for sure cause that is just punishement for me. if i play on the hardest difficulty i come prepared and bring something to the table.

[@scullyxd]

I leave the game cause team made mistakes and its boring to watching one person run call of duty zombies for 10 minutes. In a truly rounded team, no one should need to clutch in pubs. Plus new teammates drop in for them to help them out. Ive dropped into games where someone left and we won.

[@chappie4222]

Weapons crafting and itemization was great, but I thought the extended weapon customization would be included too. Vt2 worked with some great mods to roll them into the actual game. Still waiting 🙏🙏