FB-Radom Beryl or WBP Fox? (Which Polska AK Rifle Is Right For You?)

[@tomaszarusewicz673]

Hi, in Poland they cost about 800-1000 dollars, but they are worth every dollar.Fabryka Broni FB Radom (Archer) is one of the most modern factories in Europe. The build quality is top notch. Unfortunately taxes and duty are terrible. I recently bought a Ruger MPR 556, guess how much it costs in Poland? around $1800.... This is crazy, I also have the Mossberg 940 Pro and many others. I love my toys, if my wife knew how much they cost, I'd have to sleep on the lawn

[@1308SPAZZ]

Totally feel ya on the wife thing , if my wife knew how much optics cost I would be hurt bad 😂

[@risenfromyoutubesashesagai6302]

"Nah, man, thats not new, I've had that gxn for years remember?" We've all been there.

[@robboss2431]

WBP all the way baby!! It’s crazy how many cool imports we are getting all of a sudden now, and at an absolutely terrible time to be getting them

[@misha5670]

For me, the Fox is very much an AKM variant; not exact but close. The Beryl M1 is just that, a Beryl. Its a bit of its own thing and has a unique look & feel IMO.

[@davidfrye7713]

@@misha5670 WBP builds variants under the Jack named model that have no side rail and no Beryl style optic mount accommodations. I am hoping they bring a more simple Fox model with no accommodations for optic mounts.

[@omardevonlittle3817]

@@davidfrye7713 Atlantic had mini jacks a few days ago. passed because I want the full size but now looks like itll be a few more months DOHHH

[@davidfrye7713]

@@omardevonlittle3817 They should have some this month. I saw the mini Jacks. I called my son to let him know in case he wanted one. He loves my Fox.

[@queefersutherland8495]

@@omardevonlittle3817 I've learned to get when you can. To many slipped away.

[@ssj4x448]

I bought a wbp in 2019 and converted it myself. 100% Reliable, beautiful fit and finish.

[@secretagent8126]

So did I. Glad I did.

[@davidfrye7713]

I have a recently produced WBP Fox. Mine is from the lot that Atlantic Firearms released on Thanksgiving 2020. It is excellent. Finish, rivets, everything seems to be perfect. It was sighted in out of the box with the front sight post perfectly centered. Everything is very straight. I cannot find any flaws. The latest price for the WBP Fox has been $1350 for polymer versions and $1400 for laminate wood versions.

[@TheOzoneLayerHatesMe]

Same here for mine on all points. Happy we got ours before the inflation price hike

[@jimbod819]

Good vid, Mishaco. Keep us updated on the Beryls...seeing a lot of [probably unwarranted] hate about the Beryl rivets. Zero regrets after picking up the Fox -- but I'm thinking about grabbing a 556 Beryl if they ever come back.

[@misha5670]

Yeah and not a single one of them has a broken rivet. Mostly, its the same handful of photos being copied & recopied all over the internet. Just the hivemind doing its usual thing. I've now had hands on about 10 of these and no rivet issues so far here.

[@pm-bn9zt]

With the last batch of foxes being almost 1600 after tax/ship/transfer fee, I couldn’t see myself getting one over an Arsenal or beryl as nice as they look. Wish they were still zpap prices.

[@MrAnon77]

Get both!🇺🇸

[@jakeh6980]

Any stamped AK, no matter how great the manufacturer, will always have some rifles where every rivet will not be perfect. There will always have a couple rifles that may have a couple rivets that aren’t perfect. That’s the reality.That’s why if I was going to spend over 1500 dollars for a stamped AK, I would just spend 200 extra dollars and buy another Sam7. No reason why I would spend close to what I did for my milled Sam7 on a stamped AK. Now that being said, the fb beryl is absolutely beautiful and I honestly would love to have it in my collection. It would be hard to decide between the two but since I already have a Sam, I may go with the beryl, but…. Nah I would buy another Sam7 probably. But great looking rifle and I love the ambi sling attachments since I’m a lefty

[@TheBlackAce99]

Do you still feel the same why the Sam l7 is 2k now te FB is about 1600 which one would you choose

[@WhiteBoyNick1]

​@@TheBlackAce99if its not about money the sam7 for sure(I did anyway). The consensus is they are the best factory ak but beryl has great attributes as well. Very tricky but if its the money then quite possibly the beryl.

[@BlakeBake]

Hoping to snag a Beryl when they come back in. Also need the retractable stock 🤞🏻

[@luger700]

With the last batch of FOXs, Arms of America was charging $1,400 and they still sold out in mere minutes.

[@michaelpayne4232]

2 hours actually but still very fast for that price

[@fourpeetssake5064]

The real answer is FB Beryl in 5.56 & WPB in 7.62. Edit: Next Release from AoA - Fox $1400, Beryl $1500

[@kiankolahi]

Thanks Misha! Hope you and your family are doing well. I really hope they also bring in some of the accessories like adjustable stocks or that folding wire stock you got there.

[@misha5670]

The collapsible stock is coming soon, but the side folder isn't. FB hasn't manufactured it for over a decade. So the only place to find them now days is on the secondary, surplus market.

[@thomashardy1851]

Love the WBP Fox, the finish on the bolt carrier is a Zinc coating, and yeah all the newer ones have a lightening cut like an AKM, the newer bolt carriers still look like they are in the white, which is really just a zinc coating.

[@misha5670]

Right, true untreated steel, well...it wouldn't do so hot in a firearm hehe.

[@highdragguns]

They use a nickel boron finish on the Foxes? That's disappointing. I'm not an AK guy (but trying to learn), in the AR world nickel boron is a gimmicky finish that is peddled to guys new to the sport. High end manufacturers don't use NiB (Chad Albrect has done a few posts on why nickel boron is a substandard coating). Are you sure it's NiB they're using on the Fox BCG?

[@thomashardy1851]

@@highdragguns I've read conflicting things from old forum posts, a newer product from WBP on AoA states that the bolt carrier has a zinc coating.

[@highdragguns]

@@thomashardy1851 that'd make more sense! Although like I said, I'm not a big AK guy so I could well be wrong

[@WhiteBoyNick1]

​@highdragguns nickel boron is a great metal finish, ask my alg ultimate trigger, thing is a beast.

[@michup86]

In case you wonder locally in PL WBP costs around 780USD.

[@letsgetit90]

We are going to fight now 🙃. It’s 1500 before taxes, shipping, DOJ fee over in the states… like the song goes “ it’s a party in the U.S.A.” Lol 😭🤧💿

[@cajuncatfish5417]

I’m honestly torn between the 7.62x39 Beryl versus the 5.56. On one hand it would be nice to have the Polish military 5.56 service rifle, and having a domestic caliber AK might prove advantageous down the line. On the other hand I would have to buy a whole new type of magazine and I don’t get the warm fuzzies until I have at least 30 mags (probably excessive but I don’t want to be wishing I had more when they aren’t available anymore). So that’d require significant investment in stocking up on a whole new type of mag. I have oodles of 7.62x39 mags, many of which are unissued Polish surplus. Decisions, decisions. Good vid.

[@BNatoAk]

The wbp 30 round 556 mags were literally going for 13 bucks. They run perfectly in a Beryl. AC unity mags are not much more and also run successfully. The 556 (real deal) Beryl is a modern day collectable while the 7.62 ...not so much

[@cajuncatfish5417]

@Strelok Stalker Almost two years later, I do have a 5.56 Beryl as well, and plenty of mags. My reasoning for wanting that many mags has nothing to do with combat fantasies and everything to do with the fact that from 1994-2004, you could not buy standard capacity magazines for these types of rifles. I like to shoot. Mags wear out, they break, they get lost, whatever. They are expendable. I just want to make sure I have enough to last a lifetime of range use in addition to the cool guy stuff. As far as I know, there are no factory OEM, vetted, reliable 10 round 5.56 Beryl mags. It's been proven with 9mm Glocks that the ban-compliant G17/G19 mags are not as reliable as the standard capacity ones. It has nothing to do with some fantasy war scenario, as I have no expectation or intention of getting involved in one.

[@TheBlackAce99]

How is the rifle holding up ?

[@cajuncatfish5417]

@@TheBlackAce99 Pretty good, no issues. The cost of ammo is the bigger issue.

[@jb123.9]

you know when a blind man judges you then you’re getting honest opinion! Love me some Mishaco

[@Rupan-rx]

Beryl would be it for me. I blew all my money on other guns and couldn’t get one. Which isn’t a bad thing. Maybe next time 😀.

[@christopherrobin361]

I actually have funds, and haven't seen Polish or Serbian models in stock. So I have the opposite issue (lol). Except for shotguns, no problem there.

[@Lutz101]

The WBP Fox as it has a base for a side mount. I also like its more traditional appearance and longer sight radius.

[@misha5670]

I might fit it with traditional Polish laminated wood soon too.

[@barbain101]

Thanks misha!

[@romeosgenericchannel3971]

I love that Grip handgaurd, But cannot find one....ANYWHERE! Beautiful rifles , I hope to get a Polish for my collection soon! Thanks for sharing! You da man Misha!

[@Thyhorrorcosmic94]

Check AKfiles, facebook groups, and comblocmarket on reddit

[@Thyhorrorcosmic94]

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[@craigstockwell230]

I got one of the FB 7.62s and I would like to get a .223 one and also a WBP (or two... or more...). I've shot a WBP, as well, and the answer really is get both. Different guns, different purpose.

[@Rupan-rx]

I saw one of those newer wasr10s that came in. Woof. The gas block looked like a primary arms poland reject. The furniture looked wanting too. Cosmetically a new low for wasrs.

[@omardevonlittle3817]

had one that wont take Bulgarian steel mags, only feeds 100% from Magpul or the CAI Bulgarian polymer slabsides. Joke, Zastava is rtunning laps around the competition. the m70 > Beryl/WBP > SAM7 > KR103 > WASR. were finally at the point American can contend. the Rileys and the Kr103 seem good to go

[@echodelta2172]

the Century plastic furniture might be the worst ever made

[@wesjohn2]

Hard agree on that, held a few new WASRs a few days ago and they were HIDEOUS. Worst finish and furniture i've ever seen on an AK

[@misha5670]

@@wesjohn2 Of little interest to me as they are getting further and further away of the original military PM-63 pattern. I'll just continue to love my trusty old SAR-1. We celebrated 20 years together this year.

[@MrAnon77]

Misha, are those handguards with the pistol grip built into them available anywhere that you know of? Or the beryl type handguard for that matter?

[@misha5670]

Sorry, no clue. Bought that HG from RobertRTG....back in 2013.

[@hollon1697]

The one that’s right for me is the one I can find in stock for a somewhat reasonable price Misha

[@Enjoyer.762]

The correct solution is to purchase both 👍

[@RedPillVegan]

Love your work

[@chicorodriguez3964]

I think that lower for grip handguard looks interesting I would like to check that out

[@misha5670]

They literally took a standard pistol grip, shaved down the top a bit, and then bolted it onto a similarly modified standard handguard + added a couple rail sections on the sides. Its cool and getto as hell lol.

[@terrorform242]

I had a wbp kit built using fb radom beryl parts so needless to say i settled for a mutt of both companies. And as a first time kit venture i would say i did ok imo.

[@i.s.o.f9704]

اول مشاهد عراقي مر من هنا The first Iraqi scenes passed from here 🇺🇲🇮🇶💘✨🍯

[@jarbor7898]

Do you recommend these polish rifles or the Arsenal Sam7sf-84E if price is no issue?

[@WhiteBoyNick1]

Sam7sf with the ambidextrous safety is really nifty and they are milled so they are beasts for sure, both are great. Finish might be better on beryl only because arsenal use standard ak mil spec finish(which ain't great). U get one yet?

[@Heiserton]

I have 5 WBP's, 3 Fox's and 2 Mini Jacks. They're all excellent and uniform in build. Fit and finish, the rivets all look great. I'd love to get a few Beryl's though. Buy them all while you still can.

[@danielmarjanovic9957]

Are they of good quality? I mostly have zastava rifles but ordered my first WBP..mini jack..

[@Heiserton]

@@danielmarjanovic9957 they’re great quality. My mini jacks take standard furniture (which is nice), and both run smooth.

[@mattperry9505]

WBP's have better finish and fit than Arsenals. Love my Fox and Lynx.

[@timkc1638]

WBP’s do not have better fit and finish than an Arsenal SAM7SF. They are nice AK’s but no.

[@mattperry9505]

@@timkc1638 Yes, they do. That's why I sold my Sam7 after I bought my Fox.

[@theslavsnob3229]

I’ve run thousands of rounds through my Lynx. Many of them suppressed. It still runs like a top with minimal wear

[@misha5670]

Good & not at all surprised. WBP has shown themselves to be a top-shelf company.

[@ryszardkoprowski1414]

As Polish and gun lover - some infos. First - so called FB Radom (Fabryka Broni - Weapon Factory from city named - Radom) today has NOTHING COMMON with former FB (11) sign/ brand. This is a totally new business raised on ruined in late 90's former FB Radom - consuming its fame&history. This does not mean - its worse, but in some aspect of R&D may be. It is a part of corporate held by goverment. Just different approach in peace time. WBP is private hold gun factory with very modern machinery park, technology and staff. WBP uses in AK built most their own parts, only barrels are (they say) from FB Radom, but I am personally not sure, when I get my WBP 10 inch Lynx with no chrome - lined barrel - very good indeed, but surely not from FB, where they chrome - line all. I have also an AKMS built by one of best Polish weaponery master - based in 100% on former FB parts, I used also AKs from 60/ 70's. What can I say? There are no significent differences in all of them. When we take AK 47 and take all out of it in department od accuracy, reliability - they are all OK. But former FB Radom parts AKMS and WBP Lynx 7,62x39 ,10 inch barrel in all aspects of accuracy up to 300 m - they shine. My Lynx is scoring under 2 MOA with 2 MOA red dot only on plain Barnaul ammo on regular basis. AKMS a bit worse, due to barrel whip probably. So - in this time - I take WBP!

[@michup86]

Dzięki za przydatne informacje.

[@ryszardkoprowski1414]

@@michup86 proszę bardzo

[@TheRealChrisShades]

I’ll take both

[@johnescobar8624]

great video. going to go with beryl in 7.62x39

[@Hammerbass]

Hey Misha, do the WBP's accept any stock akm furniture or are they on a different standard?

[@misha5670]

95% standard AKM. Only the Beryl scope mount plate in the back requires minor modding of a buttstock to fit.

[@BadActor-]

Can you put a folding stock mount on a fixed wpb.?? If u might know?? Thanks

[@balthezor]

Where do I buy the stock that Misha put on the Fox here?

[@nsjohn130]

My WBP Fox and Mini Jack are my fav AK's I own. Just top notch.

[@steveharper5368]

i just bought the milled mini jack, hoping it turns out to be a good one, i gave up on zastava.

[@andrelopez4709]

​@@steveharper5368 why did you give up on zastava? pls, your experience could help

[@steveharper5368]

@@andrelopez4709 3 significant quality control issues on 3 different rifles, zastava did not want to acknowledge them, sold all 3 rifles and cant buy another due to not wanting to go through the drama over and over. wbp perfect quality control, psa doing it right too is all i can say. nothing worse than a rifle that is completely misaligned, and the wood does not fit and it rattles/moves around, straight trash.

[@TheBlackAce99]

@@steveharper5368 what about the M91 and the 308 I’m debating on buying them

[@BigBossJ]

When more of the 556 ak's from companies like wbp and zastava hit the states will you please make a comparison of 556 ak's?

[@misha5670]

If money allows for it. Remember, guns here are either bought or loaned by friends.

[@TheBlackAce99]

@@misha5670 can you do it now ???

[@fredbarney4525]

The only sensible thing to do is get both, right? AoA raised the pricing a bunch on the latest batch of WBPs. Had one in my cart but left it. They don’t even give you a mag with the rifle. How sad is that? Think I’ll get another Arsenal for a few bucks more or the Beryl in 5.56, not 7.62.

[@misha5670]

Nothing and no price is "normal" these days. Dealer cost on the SAM7SF has gone up almost $300....since January of this year.

[@hopewilliams6705]

I love my wbp ak pistol!

[@Tom-ho9mx]

The retail for fox have recently became $1350-$1400, does it still worth it?

[@michalw45]

Not worth it imho. I’ve missed last few drops, and when I saw the price last drop I backed off. $450 more for slightly better finish than ZPAP? It’s up to you brother.

[@Etzki1]

Either of them is great choice as long as it's not fake Rolex which Pioneer Arms , which is great example of that. I wish more people are fully aware of that in United States because in Poland that company wouldn't last one day. Using Archer and number 11 logo previously used by FB RADOM until the year of 2000 ONLY!!!!

[@THATMOFODIRT]

Good stuff

[@Jose-xm3tq]

The answer is "Yes"

[@usmanmalik5024]

Hi Mishaco. You have a tremendous knowledge related guns,so plz make a video on russian vs chinese ak47 barrels.plz do this.

[@misha5670]

What exactly are you asking? I have discussed the variants before. If you are asking about metallergy, sorry but I am not qualified nor have access to the proper testing facilities to do a worth-while test. However, if you see my videos, i think you know already which country I feel makes a higher quality Kalashnikov hehe.

[@richardpurdy1396]

Great videos all around Specially on your AK polish videos. I would like to know your phone number of your gun shop I’d like to pick up maybe a copy of the burial. If you have it in stock, please let me know. Thank you.

[@1308SPAZZ]

Anyone know if you can move front sight up on the beryl and use a detent for muzzle device ?

[@OntheToto]

Will they import any 7.63x39 pistols

[@misha5670]

FB does not seem to offer the Mini Beryl in X39, just 5.56 NATO.

[@andrewvargas-osuna2517]

Where can I get one of those mags??

[@misha5670]

Arms of America, they are the importers for both FB and WBP.

[@lilsam2889]

How many rounds through your WBP?

[@misha5670]

Have lost count....several thousand by now at any rate.

[@bryanupton9872]

Any idea the numbers on these imports?

[@bryanupton9872]

And latest fox batch was 1350/1400

[@thedumbguncollector5546]

I wish Someone would get some in stock

[@misha5670]

They do. The issue is keeping them in stock though.

[@map6410]

Y don’t you like Pioneer?

[@azalkathegunpowderdragon9439]

that a cncwarrior/bonesteel stock?

[@misha5670]

Its an FB Beryl stock.

[@NIN34]

I thought he said “fucks” instead of “fox”

[@gregorychu1380]

Glad we now have multiple polish AK imports coming into the country. I hope they'll eventually import the beryl in 22lr. The mini Beryl in 22lr was announced at SHOT 2020, while rifle versions have been exported to the UK. Given the current ammo situation, I think a 22lr version would sell well.

[@misha5670]

A .22 LR version isn't happening. Why? FB asks nearly the same $$$ for one as they do for a .223 or 7.62x39. So the importer passed on them.

[@gregorychu1380]

@@misha5670 Makes sense. Not many people want to or have the $$$ to spend 1.3-1.5k on a 22, even during our current panic buying environment.

[@misha5670]

@@gregorychu1380 Yep, it would need to be at least 1/2 the price, and really to be a success, even less. Say $500 though even there people would complain bet ya'.

[@superfamilyallosauridae6505]

Have you heard about the Pallad grenade launchers available for AKs? They're Polish underbarrel single shot GLs, and fit on basically any AK with a bayonet lug, and are what the cuts in the Beryl handguard are for. I'm trying to get one for every one of my AKs. Funnily enough, I need to find a gas block with a bayonet lug on it to fit it on the current Beryl imports, but it'll fit on my KR-103 from the start.

[@patstrzeszewski3240]

FB should make some 5.45 guns

[@letsgetit90]

It feels like Atlantic does not want my money 😖😭 been waiting for a year now

[@polyteclegendgoldentiger1225]

What sling is on the beryl

[@misha5670]

The one that came with my original Archer-01 v2 back in 2012 or 2013.

[@polyteclegendgoldentiger1225]

@@misha5670 nice. I know u like a gun when u have a sling on it. Wish the beryl 762 came with more stuff with it but was still super glad to it either way.

[@motoman7445]

Surprised Misha is pronouncing beryl wrong. Js.

[@ericvantassell6809]

only a dillweed would see this as a "or situation". get both.

[@j83460]

can anyone chime in on 5.56 accuracy?

[@justbeer1650]

2-3moa

[@christopherlambert7814]

Wouldnt it be 3 polish rifles? Or do the pioneer arms not count due to being shit? Lol

[@misha5670]

Nope, only counting legit duety grade, 'real' AKM types. PAC is best simply ignored.

[@christopherlambert7814]

@@misha5670 people selling pioneer rifles try to make a big deal out of the fact theyre made in Radom like theyre connected with the others, serious question though have you had any experience with theyre pps 43 builds? Id like to have one and there are a few for sale at a lgs near me and price isnt too bad but i was skeptical because well...you know..are they worth picking up? I mean picking up one for myself not to resell or anything..ive seen good reviews on them but am very skeptical of alot of other reviewers honestly and i respect what you and jay say probably more than any honestly.

[@misha5670]

@@christopherlambert7814 I was the first dealer to get a batch of PPS43cs back when they were first imported thanks to a weird shipping event. So yeah, you could say i have some experience with them. Also was the first one to break one that night lol but it was just a too weak firing pin spring....so easy fix. They had only been testing them with military surplus ammo over there, so guess what happened when i put Winchester in one of mine?

[@killroy7114]

First!