FC St. Pauli - Germany’s Progressive, Punk Soccer Club

[@chillpolice4312]

Supporter since 1989! I was young back in the day and fell in love with the pale white kit, players like Kocian, Duve, Knäbel and Ippig, loved the iconic logo and the fact it was back than the only football club I know with brown white colors Didn’t know anything about Hamburg, Hafenstrasse, Punk and even the Neighborhood St. Pauli. I was a very unpolitical clueless Person, only a common footbsall lad like thousands of others. FCSP changed that for me over the time and maybe made me a „better human being“. I believe that’s the reason the Club chose ne back than as i feel. . I honestly never ever been to Millerntor in my life, but followed FCSP to every match abroad in western and south western Germany. Maybe only few would even recognize me in Hamburg and I’m barely a „forum or comment section guy“ even after all those years there are times i don’t feel being a real supporter if I have never been to a home game yet and yes i’m biased about the „brand“ nowadays but the love for FCSP remains and in 2022 I’m finally going to be at my first home game at the age of 47!. Strange love from abroad I’d call it but nevertheless it’s love

[@FrankLehmann28]

Little translation issue at 11:30 "Dom" is in this case the name of a county fair in Hamburg, not a church

[@Ulkomaalainen]

I just wanted to point that out ... "Wir waren auf dem Dom" is not at all "walking past a church" but celebrating. (The Hamburger Dom is the largest of its kind in Germany before the Munich Oktoberfest, even though this involves cheating, because the Dom is three times a year, while Oktoberfest is only once). "Dom" does literally mean cathedral though, but not in Hamburg.

[@loyalm2468]

@@Ulkomaalainen It's called dom because there used to be a dom which was demolished in the 1800s where the fair currently stands

[@Ulkomaalainen]

@@loyalm2468Yap, thanks for pointing that out, should have mentioned it. That's also why the place is called "Heiligengeistfeld" - field of the holy ghost.

[@mirzada24]

Pauli fans are the kindest Germans that I know. I live near the club and in 19 years Germany that I live there, I have never met a racist or unfriendly St. Pauilianer

[@polli2310]

+Janni Handsome Warum hast du Dödel denn das Neo Magazin abonniert? Feindfunk?

[@nicostheocharous1990]

+KOLO69 Long live st.Pauli and OMONOIA A.C. Greetings from Cyprus brothers.

[@karlmarx1822]

Best fans in the world.

[@unlogischesnichts98]

Franz Kafka Ein Neo-Nazi erster Güte

[@brigademittelhessen4617]

loool

[@hughesy8411]

I'm from Wales UK and had the pleasure of visiting your beautiful city and watching St Pauli beat Wurvburger kickers 1-0. Your city and St Pauli football club will always have a place in my heart YNWA

[@jamesjones3371]

A scouser and illegal immigrant illegal migrant lover up the tories u cunt

[@misterkefir]

They've managed to stay in the 2nd Bundesliga after all.

[@briancollins4569]

they are hanging dangerously around relegation again but in 15th place right now! 5 points clear of automatic relegation.. hope they stay in 2nd tier, think this club is super cool

[@Fluppess]

misterkefir and they survived the Relegation AGAIN ...F you 3.Liga

[@drverano1918]

'21 Tabellenführer

[@w3bm4ster]

@@briancollins4569 fuck the penguins

[@DJRen18]

I think they’re getting promoted this season

[@tibumagpie]

VIVA ST PAULI!!! Cheers from México :D

[@stormy4537]

Nice Greetings from Hamburg

[@CristianHernandez-jb9uk]

Viva saludos ! Greeting from Mexico

[@DatSpicyBurrito]

Pinchi club culero es puro politica y pendejadas no del deporte

[@kingkong2415]

*FUCK FCSP*

[@CRVENAZVEZDA-wn1ws]

@@kingkong2415 only HSV, respect from Crvena zvezda 🔴⚪💣➕⚔🔪✝

[@scaredypicker]

I can understand why local fans want to keep the club to themselves. I guess it would ruin things a bit if too many outside people became interested and the club became a massive franchise. Still, fans of FC St. Pauli should take it as a compliment as well. It's just because other people wish they had a club near them that was as cool and actually stood for something decent besides simply "success in football"

[@klalakomacoi]

Because they're fucking hipster wankers, that's why they have that stupid attitude.

[@y.rg.s1510]

you have a club that is known for its stance towards discrimination, and then an angry german fan says how true homegrown fans should rip the jerseys off of foreign fans.

[@fernandoalarcon8534]

@@y.rg.s1510 found that be ironic myself.

[@JakobFischer60]

11:33 "I walked past a church" funny, what he meant is the Hamburg carnival, called "Dom"

[@Inkompetentia]

+mkmm60 11:03 "And I think there's room for more." not as funny, still shows the integrity of vice - he doesn't say that. At all. The sentence is just inserted out of nowhere, and it changes the tone of the interview massively...

[@victorkakule8732]

the true definition of fans, not the usual glory hunters we see today

[@redman9pablo]

Victor KAKULE I agree fans like that are rare in modern football, I feel unwelcome at Anfield in my own city these days with all of the rich tourists on there day out taking pictures of Manchester fkn United. The real fans are being pushed out in modern football.

[@JerryHollywood]

I know what u mean mate but there´s a lot of real foreign man utd and liverpool fans aswell who can´t stand plastic shite. Usually english football fans say "why don´t u support your local team" or "u r not from here". Premier league is the biggest league in the world and it really needs the foreign fan bases.

[@redman9pablo]

Jerry Miiros but when they have pushed the locals out of the game and there club in there city they live what is the point of the club when it was created to represent the people of the city, bill shankly once said on the steps of St. George's hall we are proud to play for you the people of Liverpool! That is not the case these days when you have Dave from London, Paul from Dublin and bjorn from Norway going the match instead of local lads who's forefathers used to go every game. Modern football stinks!

[@JerryHollywood]

adam c I agree it stinks. Still there's a lot of foreigners including myself who spend their shit salary to a match ticket in uk few times a year. I'm a finn and we are nro 1 in suicides. Watching local footy wouldn't make that ranking any better ;)

[@redman9pablo]

Jerry Miiros haha life without football would he grim 🙁 fair enough that's commitment but you have to see it from a local fans point of view being pushed out of there club there grand fathers and fathers used to go every game and now my generation struggle to go because of the modern game, anyway who's your team in the U.K. ?

[@ROONTANG]

I struggle to understand the opinion of the men featured at 2:00 and 2:05. I'm an Australian partnered to a Hamburger, I embrace the social values and philosophies which make the club and it's fans so unique, I had a fascination with St. Pauli long before living in Germany, I attend an FCSP match every time I'm in Hamburg. Am I not welcome? For a fanbase which preaches inclusiveness and non-discrimination, some Paulianer seem to be extreme isolationists.

[@franciscouch8378]

Correct I thought it flew in the face of the inclusion it preaches.

[@boi_mayor]

One of the club's guiding principles is that there is no "better" or "worse" fan. That everyone is welcome to support in their own way.

[@Zanfrea]

Celtic & Sankt Pauli !!

[@paulleitner8305]

Glasgow & Hansa Rostock !!

[@Falcos431]

Tom Müller ey wie ist es so in der 3liga???

[@paulleitner8305]

keine ahnung, sag es mir.

[@Falcos431]

Kann ich dir als 2.liga Fan leider nicht beantworten

[@paulleitner8305]

Von einem 1. Liga Fan bekommste auch keine antwort.

[@madebystone3963]

respect from greece...

[@kingkong2415]

*ANTE GAMISOU; MALAKA!*

[@lookatmyprofilepicture2796]

Disrespect from greece🇬🇷🇨🇾

[@rumpelbeatn]

Disrespect from Germany!

[@jimgivik1203]

Much RESPECT.. I am AEK Athens fan from Greece.. and in Germany I love FC koln...Actually respect St.Pauli

[@BabisseDAllemagne]

+Jim Givik FC KÖÖÖÖÖLLEEEE OLEEE

[@jimgivik1203]

Fc koln :-D

[@Flex2212]

God *ck the Golden Dawn

[@s_ggggg]

Darragh fuck antifa from a true aek fan

[@psyhasthenis_md08g53]

ΜΌΝΟ ΑΕΚ

[@BADBHOY03]

Celtic fc & FC st Pauli Forever 💚🍀

[@rumpelbeatn]

Gay

[@paulriedt7770]

It's actually a football club, not a soccer club!

[@srelease_indo]

oh God, how to trigger an european... lel

[@MegaHannnes]

you have the sampdoria crest? everyone execpt usa and canada calls it football adapt or get out

[@paulsmith6586]

potato gamerzzz England called it soccer first

[@tobleramone]

It's Association football, as opposed to Rugby football. Soccer is short for association and was in use in England all the time until relatively recently, so it's both as far as I'm concerned.

[@rumpelbeatn]

No, it's actually a gay pride club!

[@ceannasai5731]

Went to see St. Pauli in 2011 when they lost 1-8 to Bayern Munich. The hospitality from the people was second to none. I have great memories and hold them dearly. God bless St. Pauli ✌🌴

[@jackpotsb3]

Great video guys, it's a crazy thing for the team to try to be successful on the pitch, make money, and keep it's image intact all at once. Best of luck to FC St. Pauli and much respect

[@DennisTheZZZ]

On April 21, my favourite team, the SSV Jahn Regensburg will welcome St. Pauli with an already sold out crowd (it's the second time that all tickets are sold out in this season) and I already know that this is going to be an outrageous and emotional game. And I'll witness it live! :D

[@geopunkr.216]

Respect From AEK Athens Original21®️💛

[@matcl4688]

Respect from Marseille OM💙🤍 (France)

[@neptuneswancakes7516]

Copa90 uploaded something similar to this. I always thought Copa90 is like the football equivalent to Vice. It was about time you covered St. Pauli. Great Video. AMF.

[@kisbie]

+Myles Nolan Being anchored by a proper journalist makes this video much better than the Copa90 one, and a pleasant surprise to see that Vice really is moving away from its Nathan Barley image.

[@milithant]

one years after, copa90 only discovered & digging england first league

[@prinzeichelschmerz4383]

11:31 is not translated correctly. "Der Dom" (the dome) is a place in hamburg near the millerntor stadium where most of the time a fair is, but there is no church.

[@ΣτέφανοςΛ]

AEK Athens fan here. Huge respect fot ST. PAULI.

[@CuteTartanCat]

Viva St Pauli

[@kingkong2415]

FUCK FCSP

[@camdally2579]

Need more videos like this! Sooo good 😁

[@Sasha1234575]

Date: 19.05.2017 first half of the season: 11 points and the last. second half: 31 points (one game to go) totally 42 points and the 9th. Forza St.Pauli

[@Ακης911]

AEK Athens - Sankt Pauli FC ANTIFA FANS FOREVER

[@kingkong2415]

both fucked up shit teams...

[@lookatmyprofilepicture2796]

🇬🇷☦️

[@lookatmyprofilepicture2796]

@Chris Meccallister ANTIFA Albania bghke na mas pei gia antifa kai o albanos

[@thraitor7819]

@@kingkong2415 lmfao

[@thraitor7819]

Aek is also antifa? Damn that's cool

[@kentgrady9226]

Solidarity, from a Celtic FC ally.

[@hald-matalongos]

we don't claim this Marxists

[@Ghreinos]

@@hald-matalongos you are one of many, so shut up.

[@north1842]

Genius example of marketing and advertising. 75% of the St. Pauli Fans are people that moved to Hamburg in the last 5-10 years. Richkids, people that work in ad agencies and wannabes.

[@SupraSapientas]

I understand St. Pauli supporters, how they love a team even if it looses. My team (R. Betis) descends every 4 or 5 years, commonly after being classified for european competition. And I still prefer R. Betis over R. Madrid or F. C. Barcelona.

[@Spinna720]

Mi equipo local (SD Huesca) nunca ha estado en la liga

[@freekkroese]

For me the same, I am a NAC supporter. But the nice thing is, if you don't have a lot of times succes you are enjoying the times you have succes more. So fuck real, barca, ajax, bayern and those other fucking gloryhunter clubs.

[@godzilla1806]

In München haben wir das gleiche Problem.1860 ist der Verein,unser Stadion ist eine Bruchbude aber leider haben keine Unterstützung,dafür aber einen „jordanischen Gebrauchtwagenhändler „,als „Tycoon“.Na sauber.Aber einmal Löwe immer Löwe!!Respekt an ST.Pauli!Respekt an Hamburg!

[@halguy5745]

apparently they play song 2 by blur every time they score a goal. I can't believe this club is real. the most awesome club in the world

[@aysmr_armyourself346]

We do, and when the teams walk into the stadium we play Hells Bells by AC/DC

[@briankehew579]

Wow. I've gotta go. I always loved the city of Hamburg but never knew about the FC til now...

[@valmeyer9935]

2:30 Walter Frosch playing guitars

[@Jonas80111]

was fürn song ab 07:29 ?

[@swearingatmotorists]

instrumental from Swearing At Motorists

[@fcsp_bavaria]

11:04 What's the song's name?

[@fcsp_bavaria]

​@@вфывфыфвыфвывфывыф thanks!

[@swearingatmotorists]

Academy Award For Best Actor In A Supporting Role by Swearing At Motorists

[@tatixss]

Celtic und St. Pauli bruders gegen rechts!

[@tobiasmanfred2579]

John Brüder*

[@NikoNiko-bg7is]

John cweltic

[@mayylayy6712]

@Darragh what do you think? Look at his flag. The Israel flag of eternal double morals.

[@statenislander4399]

Fitting that this was recommended to me the year they get promoted

[@itsnantixx7085]

We love St Pauli

[@takeovermdp]

Go on mates, respect from Argentina !

[@RonaldPickering]

Song at the very start please??

[@_shmeezy]

I understand the feeling some fans have of ownership over the club, but at the same time St. Pauli is widely known for the antifascist and progressive streak of the fanclub. Should be a point of pride that so many want to come and see it for themselves, no?

[@MissElaineDumont]

The whole thing about "VIP Lounge" and "Business Seats" is pure hypocrisy. Are your special guests and Sponsors too good to sit in a normal seat? Are they somehow physically incapable of doing that? The only thing that creates is class-seperation. And St. Pauli should be better then that. If people continue on with this commercialization of football, German Stadiums will be like English ones in a few years. Completely dead and without any atmosphere because by then all the Fans are gone and only the Tourists are left.

[@mincraftparti]

Best Club ever !!!

[@kingkong2415]

not even in the 2nd league!

[@hald-matalongos]

@@kingkong2415not even the best of their city

[@Ghreinos]

@@hald-matalongos HSV is good, but St. Pauli is better.

[@user-yj2fy1nk1i]

Was just at a match. Amazing! Trying to find the chant at 15:26 lyrics etc. hopefully ring tone, if anyone can help.

[@kevinschauwaers5585]

Always intrigued by this club, want to visit the fixtureagainst Dynamo Dresden and write a topic about it on my blog. Unfortunately the game is sold out, anyone knows how i still get in?

[@thegreenman4898]

sounds like the brand manager and his ilk interviewed for this film represent everything that the fans hate , should have done more interviews with fans and less with middle managers...

[@thecrackaddict4640]

Kein Bier für Nazis ;)

[@Alex44809]

The Crack Addict ähm.. nö

[@r.schlomojudenbengel3768]

Zyklon-B für Antifa !!

[@Alex44809]

R. Schlomo Judenbengel Haha.. geiler Spruch!

[@blackdynamogaming6450]

HAMBURG IST SCHWARZ-WEISS-BLAU! 🖤⚪️🔷 #NURDERHSV

[@samneuer5977]

War es nie! Du weißt das auch.

[@PepsiFlex]

macht einen als Fußballfan immerwieder Stolz obwohl ich nichts mit Sankt Pauli zu tun habe. Grüße aus Stuttgart 1893.

[@liIdecky]

6 years later its the same old story.. the irony

[@dirkwolf6421]

at the end of these season we landed on 7 (!!) place cause after this game vs. Aue wew won almost every game-why ever. now,2021 and few weeks back , we find ourselfs in the basement of league again...just to win 5 from 6 following games. today game vs. Darmstadt not included- still don:t know result...but in 10 sec.-tell u later vamos fcsp!

[@thepunkchemist]

Aguante el St Pauli!! a german friend showed me what St. Pauli is and here there is a new fan from Chile living in Germany!!

[@Giantstalking]

ahhh the old elitist breed of punks. Very annoying in general when what the movement stands for is exactly not that.

[@lpaiugohodkfsubvh1401]

Ich find's cool das die Fans so politisch sind

[@podavus8156]

THE BEST TEAM EVER! I'm a new fan of yours.

stfu junkie

[@EGPierce]

And now newly promoted to the Bundesliga!

[@PNE2611]

Why do people keep on saying Celtic and St Pauli ... whats the correlation between the 2 clubs ? I know Celtic have an Irish Catholic heritage and believe in a united Ireland and St Pauli are a leftist punk rock club against fascism , sexism and rascism .... but I cant see a link someone help me out

[@Nile15rush_fj]

both clubs are friends with one another apparently...

[@mcpoopenfarten]

Both Celtic and St. Pauli have left-wing fans. Celtic fans are known for supporting Irish Republicanism, which is a leftist movement, and St. Pauli fans are just leftist in general.

[@Implosionstechnologie]

Both are left wing extremists.

[@jamestaylor2376]

I was on holiday in hamburg got a sv hamburg hat souvenir , sorry st pauli 😨i didnt see your club shop until later in reeperbahn and we were in a hurry.didnt want to miss minituare wonderland haha

[@yamyamrob4130]

what a unique club so like my own -st Paul i not just a club yhey a community -a way of life -love the history it what defines the club -world be sadder place without pioneering clubs like st Pauli

[@toytschland1487]

Sankt Pauli war ein Punkclub, doch seitdem sie sich politisch äußern gibt es nur noch Diskussionen und gewalttätige Auseinandersetzungen. Meiner Meinung nach sollten sich physische Einrichtungen und Vereine nicht mit der Politik befassen, sondern beim Sport bleiben...

[@viralvidioschannel4396]

St.Pauli war noch nie ein Punkclub! Laber nicht so eine scheisse... Was ein Idioten Gerede. Kennst unseren Verein garnicht.

[@NilsSchirmer]

Leudde, es gibt extra eine Untertitelfunktion bei KZbin....

[@FCStPauliFan1]

I Love my Club FC St. Pauli for ever

[@jenshilb9620]

Für immer St. Pauli 🤎🤍🏴‍☠️✌️

[@wasalasilasbums8521]

Well. I am a HSV-Fan since i was born cause of my father, but I also love St. Pauli, cause its just an awesome club. I am just a Fan of that sport and that city :D

[@nicke9823]

Nice job copying Copa90 they posted basically the same vid a month and a half before this

[@elsteezus]

Nicholas Evenden fuk off m8

[@TheYellowthemarble]

cheers from Beşiktaş

[@dh6205]

so mabuse made little sense to me maybe because something was lost in translation. but he commented that big money has generally ruined football and then made an off handed comment about patenting the Jolly Roger, which would infer profit from proceeds. was he joking which I did not catch as I know virtually no German?

[@stratosm7591]

Pauli AEK ATHENS ⚽ 💛

[@brianhueber3683]

They are in the first division now. Incredible

[@eugenemorice3353]

Allez allez allez allez allez allez Sankt Pauli Oh Sankt Pauli oh Sankt Pauleeeeeeeee !!!

[@unknowndesolatio443]

VfB Stuttgart und FC St. Pauli!

[@kirschkäfer]

+unknown desolatio kickers und st. pauli :P

[@saschaseidel9491]

Fabelhaft Dankeschön für diesen tollen Bericht...🖤☠️🖤

[@johnshooter4316]

Hamburg ist ne krasse Stadt..

[@rexbelgicus9712]

Michael Meeske destroys the club

[@simonegranelli4009]

I’m an Italian Spurs fan, I love Celtic too and I know St. Pauli fanbase has a great feeling with Celtic Fans. I disagree with their Political ideas (they’re communist and I’m not) but I love their club. They want to keep their own identity, so I respect them.👏👏👏

[@hald-matalongos]

spoiler l: Celtic fans hate them

[@ragusano86]

from punk to hipster club

[@DUFC321]

So?

[@Giantstalking]

nah it changed more from elitist punk to an actual adapting punk.

[@fcsp8472]

WIR SIND ZEEECKEN!

[@hektorfrisch4547]

St. Pauli is more a left-wing clothing brand than a football club. They sell more fan items than many bigger teams.

[@bh5280]

embarresed to say my club, celtic have a friendship with these weirdos

[@hald-matalongos]

true, we don't want them

[@karlmarx3165]

HAHA why?

[@77hessel]

Dom is not a church in Hamburg its a Fun Fair.

[@tobsen4415]

HSV is the Number 1 in Hamburg :)

[@MrFrankGlaser]

but still trash

[@samneuer5977]

Die Nummer 1 ist St.Pauli in Hamburg

[@paulleitner8305]

No Punk Soccer Club, its unemployed Club.

[@sireric41]

Damn, Honigsteins hairline with a comeback for the ages

[@derberliner3619]

Eindeutig unsere lieblings Gegner #Eisern #Pauli

[@ZardozCologne]

Sehr geschicktes Marketing ...

[@dolezelpeter]

🤎🤍 ST. PAULI 🤎🤍

[@abdulkarim5176]

I'm here because of CM PUNK, straight edge society

The skull and crossbones seems a strange symbol for a SJW football club. The only ism that arent against is communism.

[@goldbluetears]

The problem is theat people confuse american SJW with german punkrockers. Thats why you see so many conflicting opinions. Real German Punks are not Hipsters, they are Badass. Also they are not communists, maybe anarchists. Thats as stupid as saying every conservative is a Neo-Nazi!

[@mcpoopenfarten]

goldbluetears I hate to burst your bubble, but anarchists ARE communists. Communism doesn't require a state. The word you're looking for is Marxism.

[@goldbluetears]

LeftHooligan besides the fact that there are libertarian anarchists you are telling me that communism has nothing to do with marxism? interesting please elaborate...

[@mcpoopenfarten]

goldbluetears No, you were stating that German punks were anarchists and not communists, when anarchists are (with the exception of mutualists, but that's a pretty small minority) inherently communist.

[@CAPDude44]

SJWs aren't a thing.

[@chefcotoletta4088]

best football club ever

[@NicoleFugu]

Haffenkleim (don't know this place) or Hafenklang?!

[@antoniosbalamos7655]

I am PAOK fan but my favourable team in Germany is St.Pauli.Tony from. Toronto Canada.

[@ΣτέφανοςΛ]

paok's location is north or south macedonia?

[@CI2A1Gx]

A football club that attracts and represents the very worst of society

[@Ghreinos]

Wait isn't that PSG or now Newcastle?

[@grant575mixmaster]

why are the most interesting things about soccer always found off the field? They certainly aren't found on it that's for sure

[@LaserFlam3S]

This Video is creating a completely wrong picture of their fans. I live in Hamburg, in a district with over 75% fans of this club. What they are doing is not really "fighting racism", its just calling everyone who has more money than them for example a fascist, who critizises their club a racist, who is not wearing rainbow shirts everyday a homophobe, and who thinks that women should look good a sexist patriarch. They are the football club ruled by the antifa. 95% of their fans dont even know how they played last weekend, its not about football for them, its only about politics. And when i want to see football i want to see football, not "fans" trying to push their political views on me. Its also a club with a huge leftwing hooligan scene, even one of the biggest hooligan scenes in germany. And the people here in the comments who say that their fans are so friendly and nice are either ignorant or they just lied and never met anyone like this.

Left wing activists are getting more extreme these days,...

[@rylvdk6110]

Jay See good good

[@elsteezus]

Jay See right wing fascists have always been extreme

[@yoelhernandezwaber7507]

Oh I see, so that´s why Christians have been persecuted by the Roman Empire? Or why jews have been discriminated against for over 2000 years? Fascism is as old as mankind itself and just happens to be the counterpart to many ideas in which communism is rooted.

[@ROONTANG]

Let me guess... HSV?

[@RJ6AV6]

Next time I'm in beautiful Hamburg I'm checking a game out!

[@mr.pucklechurch7946]

celtic X st pauli forever in friendship!!!!!!

[@102006221]

Walk on walk on With hope in you heart And you'll never walk alone

[@a-almirnascimento6344]

Respect from Brazil . São Paulo FC Antifa 🔴⚪⚫ 🔴⚪⚫

[@kl9526]

Fuck antifa

[@kisbie]

I've been pondering the 'soul of football' issue for a while now and it's led me to wonder if there is a deeply inconvenient truth - for lefties at least; isn't the whole idea of competitive sport, with its league tables and trophies/medals/success/recognition without patronisation only for a tiny minority possessed by their own ruthlessness, inherently anti-socialist?

[@monophthalmos9633]

+kisbie I once read a comment on that topic, I think it was by Menotti, but I am not sure, anyway, theoretically socialist football means playing against each other not to win, but to get better. Everyone gets better, because he is thriving for victory. The result in itself is not important, but the progress of each player, which is granted for everyone that participates. I am not really convinced by this though....

[@Synochra]

+Gerhard Thiel To me it seems like you'd ideally try to find a balance between both of those thoughts. You always seek to win, but also try to find satisfaction in the improvement itself.

[@mcpoopenfarten]

Socialists (for the most part) see sports as nothing exploitative. Two teams consenting to play a game where one will win and one will lose is completely fine as long as everyone understands the parameters and plays fairly. I'm a socialist, yet I love sports. I'll still play baseball and accept the possibility of losing because I went in knowing that I could lose. There is no exploitation there.

[@Owlpunk]

I wish I could choose my club ;__; BTW: As of now, St. Pauli is 2nd in the second division.